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An Israeli-made kamikaze drone crashed in Iran

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A foreign drone crashed yesterday in northwestern Iran. He entered the country's airspace from the territory of neighboring Azerbaijan.


This is reported by the Al Masdar News.

Judging by the published footage of the crashed unmanned aerial vehicle, this is an Israeli kamikaze drone Harop, which is manufactured by Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI).

It is possible that the drone was shot down, but it could have crashed on its own, for technical reasons. The incident, in which a foreign unmanned aerial vehicle entered Islamic Republic airspace, is the second in four days.

Although Iran did not disclose who owns the UAVs, it is assumed that they belong to the Armed Forces of Azerbaijan, because this is the only army in the region that purchases such Israeli-made military equipment and is now actively using it.

Baku has repeatedly used Israeli-made kamikaze drones to strike Armenian troops in the Karabakh region, but it is not clear why Azerbaijan sends them to fly over Iranian airspace. It is unlikely that the involvement of the Islamic Republic in the conflict is hardly beneficial for Baku.
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  1. MKPU-115
    MKPU-115 21 October 2020 09: 47
    19
    Accidentally blown away, I swear on my word wassat
    1. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 21 October 2020 09: 49
      21
      Deserter drone. yes
      1. tarabar
        tarabar 21 October 2020 09: 55
        +6
        Going home laughing
        1. BDRM 667
          BDRM 667 21 October 2020 09: 59
          10
          Quote: tarabar
          Going home

          В Israel,through Iran belay ?

          Exactly what - "drone-kamikaze" wassat laughing
          1. a.hamster55
            a.hamster55 21 October 2020 10: 15
            +1
            Seasonal migration however.
            1. barin
              barin 21 October 2020 10: 50
              22
              Quote: a.hamster55
              Seasonal migration however

              Migratory drones fly south
              1. SRC P-15
                SRC P-15 21 October 2020 11: 57
                +3
                But I just thought: isn't this the work of electronic warfare stations? Moreover, a message has appeared on the network that 4 such drones have already been shot down in Karabakh. And this is not the first "deserter" in Iran. After all, there was news that a new weapon appeared in Karabakh, shooting down drones. So maybe this is the result of the work of electronic warfare?
                1. garik77
                  garik77 21 October 2020 22: 35
                  +1
                  It is quite possible that the electronic warfare means are working. And maybe the carelessness of Azerbaijani operators "works". These are electronics, not tomatoes on the market to sell ..
      2. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 21 October 2020 10: 51
        13
        Quote: SRC P-15
        Deserter drone. yes

        Hardly a deserter))) Most likely a well-thought-out stray. Since the beginning of hostilities in Karabakh, this is already the fifth "deserted" UAV adopted in Iran. One of these "stray" ones made his way into the depths of the airspace for 60 km. Most likely, under the guise of hostilities in the NKR, some "inquisitive pioneers" are probing how Iran's air defense system is organized in the northern direction.
        1. TermNachTer
          TermNachTer 21 October 2020 11: 35
          +6
          Such probing can end very badly for Baku. When the Persians get bored and they hit back. Iran has a bunch of claims against Azerbaijan, and "under the guise" of doing things is sacred.
          1. MTN
            MTN 21 October 2020 11: 53
            -5
            Quote: TermNachTER
            Such probing can end very badly for Baku.

            Believe them, enmity with Azerbaijan will cost dearly.

            Quote: TermNachTER
            Iran has a lot of claims against Azerbaijan

            If you only knew how many claims Azerbaijan has against Iran.
            1. TermNachTer
              TermNachTer 21 October 2020 12: 07
              +4
              I think that Iran is waiting for Azerbaijan to penetrate deeper into Karabakh, and then it will be fun. Or do you want to say that Azerbaijan will be able to fight on two fronts? Are the capabilities of Baku and Tehran comparable? So far, Baku has not achieved anything in Karabakh, except for advertising videos.
              1. MTN
                MTN 21 October 2020 12: 22
                -11 qualifying.
                Quote: TermNachTER
                Or do you want to say that Azerbaijan will be able to fight on two fronts?

                Why would Azerbaijan fight on 2 fronts when half of the world wants to destroy Iran and Iran knows very well about this that one cannot quarrel with Azerbaijan. There are 30 million Azerbaijanis and there is not only orange; all the colors of the rainbow will be in the revolution, this is one side of the coin. And then, once an Iranian (military) plane violated the airspace of Azerbaijan on the territory of the Caspian Sea. In those days, the late Heydar Aliyev was still alive, and such jokes with such a leader will not work. F16 flew out of Turkey immediately and flew back with tail between their legs on their buckets. They have buckets of air force! Further. Do you know how many countries want to have their own fleet in the Caspian? Against Iran? Do you know how many interests of the world's dinosaurs are in Azerbaijan? BP alone is worth something. And where BP is there and their triad. Even the Armenians did not dare to beat the pipes. So believe me, many want to be on the territory of Azerbaijan against IRAN. By the way, Iran officially recognizes Karabakh as Azerbaijan, the Armenian media are already calling them Uidah.

                Quote: TermNachTER
                So far, Baku has not achieved anything in Karabakh, except for advertising videos.

                Oh well)
                1. TermNachTer
                  TermNachTer 21 October 2020 12: 50
                  0
                  Half of the world?))) Call a spade a spade - the United States and a couple of three of their "sixes", they have been wanting for 40 years, but they are getting something bad))) 30 million Azerbaijanis in Iran?)))) Don't be shy - write the entire population of Iran consists of Azerbaijanis))) all the colored revolutions were financed and directed from abroad - I'll see how this number will roll in Iran)))) the arrival of F -16 from Turkey))) what do you seriously think, that Erdogan will now get into another war because of Azerbaijan?))) Having already had three wars on hand and a very incomprehensible situation with Greece? Thank you, I haven't laughed like that for a long time. You are absolutely right, we'll see soon, I think there is a month and a half left
                  1. MTN
                    MTN 21 October 2020 15: 41
                    -2
                    Quote: TermNachTER
                    Half of the world?))) Call a spade a spade - the United States and a couple of three of their "sixes", they have been wanting for 40 years, but they are getting something shitty)))

                    So thought Gaddafi and Saddam and Bashr Assad. After Syria, Iran's turn. Say a couple of threes? Keep thinking this way.

                    Quote: TermNachTER
                    all color revolutions were funded and directed from abroad - I'll see how this number will roll in Iran))

                    The arrival of Khomeini was one revolution. Even as a ride.

                    Quote: TermNachTER
                    Is Erdogan going to get into another war over Azerbaijan?

                    Well, tell me where Turkey is now organizing a full-scale war? ))) It was in Syria and Libya, now it is calm there. At least not such a war as in Karabakh, but in Qatar their troops generally get high, probably playing dominoes from morning to evening. It makes me laugh at your words
                    1. TermNachTer
                      TermNachTer 21 October 2020 17: 59
                      0
                      Assad is alive - healthy and will live for a long time. Many were gathered against Saddam, but this number will not work again. Because in Iraq and Afghanistan, all the nishtyaks got mattress covers, and the rest got fucked "in the dark." How Azerbaijan is used now. Is it quiet in Syria?))) Yesterday they shot a column, burned two cars, several killed and wounded - fucking silence))))
                2. lucul
                  lucul 21 October 2020 14: 51
                  0
                  Iran is well aware of this that one cannot quarrel with Azerbaijan. There are 30 million Azerbaijanis and there is not only orange, all the colors of the rainbow will be in the revolution, this is one side of the coin.

                  So this is .... if you have 10 million Azerbaijanis living in Azerbaijan, and in Iran, according to your words, 30 million Azerbaijanis live, then maybe ... this is the wrong territory called Azerbaijan? ))
                  1. MTN
                    MTN 21 October 2020 15: 43
                    -2
                    Quote: lucul
                    maybe ... this is the wrong territory called Azerbaijan?

                    South Azerbaijan is called the territory where 30 million Azerbaijanis live. If you are not aware, until 1928 Iran (Persia) was ruled by ethnic Azerbaijanis, even the latter, their king Pahlavi, is also an Azerbaijanian. today's Khomeini is also an ethnic Azerbaijanian. So that's it. Look at the map of the Safavids and you will understand how big Azerbaijan was.
                    1. TermNachTer
                      TermNachTer 21 October 2020 18: 01
                      0
                      In my opinion, it is much easier to attach 10 million to 30 million than vice versa)))
                3. SSR
                  SSR 21 October 2020 20: 45
                  +1
                  Quote: MTN
                  There are 30 million Azerbaijanis

                  Hmm. Then maybe these 30 million want to join you?)) Or again the minority is driving?)))
                  We have seen it somewhere, where an aggressive minority rules the majority.
      3. Hypertension
        Hypertension 21 October 2020 12: 31
        +2
        Quote: SRC P-15
        Deserter drone. yes

        This is his initial, root firmware activated ... A higher priority goal for Israel, so to speak ...
    2. BDRM 667
      BDRM 667 21 October 2020 09: 54
      +9
      Quote: MKPU-115
      Accidentally blown away, I swear on my word wassat

      A foreign drone crashed yesterday in northwestern Iran. He entered the country's airspace from the territory of neighboring Azerbaijan.


      Despite the possible pledged assurances of Azerbaijan, for Iran this is another reason to diplomatically "roar" at them.

      And besides, "dig" in Haropеif it is well preserved, of course.
      But even if it crumbled into small components during the fall, practice shows that Iran is very careful about the wreckage, in order to extract from them as much valuable and necessary information as possible for the development of its UAV program.

      And the fact that it is developing successfully is a fact. This is evidenced by the mass of authoritative experts in this field, calling Iran one of the leaders in the development and production of such systems.
      1. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 21 October 2020 10: 41
        +6
        Quote: BDRM 667
        And besides, "dig" in Harop, of course, if it is well preserved.
        But even if it crumbled into small components during the fall, practice shows that Iran is very careful about the wreckage, in order to extract from them as much valuable and necessary information as possible for the development of its UAV program.

        Yes, so that the fragments would be large and not burnt. So maybe something useful and dig up
      2. Piramidon
        Piramidon 21 October 2020 11: 11
        -6
        Quote: BDRM 667
        Despite the possible pledged assurances of Azerbaijan, for Iran this is another reason to diplomatically "roar" at them

        this is an Israeli kamikaze drone Harop, which is manufactured by Israel Aerospace Industries

        The Jews also tore their shirts and swore by their mother that they would not supply Azerbaijan with any weapons.
        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 21 October 2020 11: 19
          11
          Quote: Piramidon

          The Jews also tore their shirts and swore by their mother that they would not supply Azerbaijan with any weapons.

          What nonsense? Israel has delivered weapons to Azerbaijan for 5 billion.
      3. MTN
        MTN 21 October 2020 12: 00
        -8
        Quote: BDRM 667
        Despite the possible pledged assurances of Azerbaijan, for Iran this is another reason to diplomatically "roar" at them.

        After the war, they will have a serious conversation. They must explain to us how military supplies through Iran ended up in the occupied territories of Azerbaijan. So you say one thing and do another? On the first photo, these trucks pass the Iranian-Armenian border, and trophies on the 2nd Kamaz in Fizuli. If you look at the numbers, these cars are from Udmurtia region 18. And there were a lot of ammunition, missiles, and so on ..... Do you know how it might end for Iran?

        The Azerbaijani side has already notified its Russian colleagues that Russian weapons are being sent illegally to occupied Karabakh. These pictures are one batch.


        1. musketon64
          musketon64 21 October 2020 15: 14
          +3
          and on the 2nd Kamaz trophies in Fizuli. If you look at the numbers, these cars are from Udmurtia region 18. And there were a lot of ammunition, missiles and so on .... The Azerbaijani side has already notified its Russian colleagues that Russian weapons are illegally going into occupied Karabakh. These pictures are one batch. ////////
          -------------------------------------------------- ----------------
          And do not tell me the route by which the "Udmurd Kamaz", and even with weapons, and even across two borders, and even illegally got to Karabakh? On the basis of this, it must be assumed that he will also protest these countries? smile
          1. MTN
            MTN 21 October 2020 15: 32
            -3
            Quote: musketone64
            Could you tell me the route along which the Udmurd Kamaz trucks, and even with weapons, and even across two borders, and even illegally got to Karabakh?

            The Azerbaijani authorities have repeatedly said and shown through which corridors weapons are delivered to Armenia. Do you think that weapons have never been delivered to Armenia through Iran? You are arguing with me here, but the Azerbaijani side has already applied to the necessary structures about these operations. You can read on the net.
            1. musketon64
              musketon64 21 October 2020 17: 05
              +2
              Do you think that weapons have never been delivered to Armenia through Iran? //////
              -------------------------------------------------- ------
              Maybe someone supplies. The question is who? Some smugglers? Then what prevents them from screwing ANY numbers? But the consignment of weapons is not a package of heroin and it is not possible to pass it through two borders unnoticed. It means a hint to the Russian side. Are you so naive to think that the Russian special services are so unprofessional that it would be so stupid to be substituted with "Udmurt" numbers? Why would Russia supply weapons in such a roundabout way? Isn't it easier to supply directly from the base in Gyumri? Why should Russia, which has taken a position of neutrality in this conflict, supply weapons to Armenia led by a pro-Western leadership?
            2. Garris199
              Garris199 21 October 2020 18: 25
              +1
              Why can't you supply weapons to Armenia? This is an ally in the CSTO, which has a war at hand. There is our base in the end. They also supply a lot to Azerbaijan. Turkey and Israel, at least.
        2. AVA77
          AVA77 22 October 2020 03: 22
          +1
          Yeah, and also there were not only numbers but also a drunken bear, a box of vodka, a balalaika and Putin's worn boots. laughing
    3. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 21 October 2020 11: 34
      +2
      If an Azerbaijani S-300 missile landed in Dagestan ... it could well have flown.
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  3. Alexander Sayapin
    Alexander Sayapin 21 October 2020 09: 51
    -3
    I wonder why the Armenians do not use their Su-30 fighters to fight against Azerbaijani UAVs? Armenia already has 4 such quite modern Russian fighters, and they could covertly shoot down an UAV without even entering the airspace of Karabakh ...
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 21 October 2020 09: 52
      0
      It is difficult to destroy a UAV from a fighter plane
      1. Alexander Sayapin
        Alexander Sayapin 21 October 2020 09: 58
        +5
        Why is it hard for a fighter to destroy such an UAV as a bayraktar, for example?
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 21 October 2020 10: 01
          0
          1) Find it. The radar will work poorly. OLS is even worse (because the IR footprint is minimal). That is, you have to fly the plane from the ground. And this is practically impossible in those conditions.
          2) Counteraction. Again, you will have to go to a small distance - and this is already a real risk of catching a gift from Father's Buk-MB or Almaz's S-300PMU2. They work remarkably well for a jet target.

          This is only possible as a one-time action, in the hope of zero opposition. And then, there is a great chance to knock out 5-10 sorties with zero efficiency, simply for the reason - he flew, burned all the fuel, the UAV did not find it.

          However, as soon as they begin to shoot down or simply the ground units report that the planes of Armenia are flying constantly, Azerbaijan will pull up at least Buki-MB, or even the S-300PMU2 battery will deploy in the region. And then the Su-30 will be a victim.
          1. Alexander Sayapin
            Alexander Sayapin 21 October 2020 10: 30
            +2
            Why can't this Su-30 find bayraktars at 50 ... 70 km using the radar? Bayraktar does not have such a small epr. Stealth fighters and even the missiles of these fighters see the same Su-30s. When there was an Indo-Pakistani border incident, the Su-30 allegedly shot down several aim-120 missiles ...

            Therefore, I do not think that they will have to go out to a small distance and risk being shot down in letters or even c300 from the territory of Azerbaijan.
          2. Hello from Baku
            Hello from Baku 21 October 2020 10: 38
            -2
            They can also lift the F-16
            1. Alexander Sayapin
              Alexander Sayapin 21 October 2020 10: 45
              +1
              So what if the F-16 will be raised? The UAV is more easily knocked down from a long distance than a fighter. Even if the F-16s fire back at 30, they are unlikely to do anything. He will easily get away from missiles. F-16 is not the enemy of the 30th
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 21 October 2020 11: 30
                +1
                Quote: Alexander Sayapin
                So what if the F-16 will be raised? The UAV is more easily knocked down from a long distance than a fighter. Even if the F-16s fire back at 30, they are unlikely to do anything. He will easily get away from missiles. F-16 is not the enemy of the 30th

                Yes, it all depends on the pilots. Turks have a flying time of 180 hours per annum and above. The Armenians are quite small, the Russians have 120, mostly
                1. Alexander Sayapin
                  Alexander Sayapin 21 October 2020 11: 34
                  -2
                  The Armenian pilots were trained by us. I don’t think they don’t know how to do something there. Even the Indians could do it.
                  1. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 21 October 2020 12: 03
                    +7
                    laughing
                    Just keep silent.
            2. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 21 October 2020 11: 28
              0
              Quote: Greetings from Baku
              They can also lift the F-16

              14 MiGs - 29 AZ is enough - they will do without the F-16
              Only 4 dryers, the annual flight time of pilots is scanty
              1. Alexander Sayapin
                Alexander Sayapin 21 October 2020 11: 36
                +5
                Do you think that Azerbaijan will strike with its mig-29s on su-30 in the airspace of Armenia? Or even at airfields? I think no. Again, the CSTO and the war with the Russian Federation then ...
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 21 October 2020 12: 04
                  +4
                  If Su-30 is detected working on drones in Karabakh? This is already aggression, the CSTO does not work
                  1. Alexander Sayapin
                    Alexander Sayapin 21 October 2020 12: 11
                    +1
                    Will they spot? Than? And also to prove and present is not only to detect ...
                    1. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 21 October 2020 12: 32
                      +3
                      There are many options - incl. satellites, reconnaissance, radar and much more
                      1. Alexander Sayapin
                        Alexander Sayapin 21 October 2020 12: 55
                        +1
                        Intelligence and satellites do not count. The flight of the R-27 cannot be traced from a satellite. And even from powerful ground-based radars. And to see this on the screen and guess is one thing, but to prove it and use it as a pretext for invading Armenia is another. I can cite cases when such things, moreover, obvious ones, did not lead either to an escalation of the conflict or to a war. Rather, the politician is responsible for it.
                      2. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 21 October 2020 13: 05
                        +2
                        Russia doesn't need to figure it out now - to fit in for the Armenians. Therefore, the primacy is any indirect confirmation. The only thing is that they can send troops to the border with the NKR - no more. Like - don't touch the Armenians.
        2. loki565
          loki565 21 October 2020 14: 30
          0
          MiG 29 easily detected and shot down Georgian UAVs
      2. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 21 October 2020 10: 03
        +8
        It is slow-moving, relatively unobtrusive, etc. The Israelis tried to shoot down the F-16 by a Russian drone, issued under a Jewish license, which flew into the Golan (and there, head-on, 350 real hours for each Sufa pilot, and they do not save everything they can on training shooting). They tried to shoot down with the Patriot - they could not. As a result, Iranian UAVs are shot down at high altitudes by Patriots, at low altitudes by helicopter laughing
        1. farm2009
          farm2009 21 October 2020 10: 20
          +8
          Here is an old moment 29 shoots down a Hermes 450 UAV in Georgia (2008)
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drswZVgcvnc
          With kamikaze, of course, it is much more difficult, they are too small.
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 21 October 2020 11: 03
            +2
            Quote: farm2009
            Here is an old moment 29 shoots down a Hermes 450 UAV in Georgia (2008)
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drswZVgcvnc
            With kamikaze, of course, it is much more difficult, they are too small.

            Well, the Elbit 450 is pretty big
        2. Alexander Sayapin
          Alexander Sayapin 21 October 2020 10: 31
          +3
          Well, this is their personal grief. We are now talking about the Su-30, which can work according to American stealth, and even intercept the missile defense system
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 21 October 2020 11: 26
            +1
            Quote: Alexander Sayapin
            Well, this is their personal grief. We are now talking about the Su-30, which can work according to American stealth, and even intercept the missile defense system

            RCC - maybe. To work on stealth - even I can't believe it. It seems like another urya, though - everything can be. In theory. hi
            1. Alexander Sayapin
              Alexander Sayapin 21 October 2020 11: 38
              0
              So it seems to me ... It seems that I began to guess ...)))
            2. Garris199
              Garris199 21 October 2020 18: 40
              +2
              I think any UAV can be detected by a radar, the only question is the detection range. Perhaps the powerful PFAR SU-30 will have an advantage over ground-based radars here, but for this they must patrol the drone sectors for a long time. In free hunting mode, so to speak. In general, we need a drone fighter that can patrol the sky for days in search of unmanned prey.
      3. Piramidon
        Piramidon 21 October 2020 11: 18
        +2
        Quote: Alexander Sayapin
        Why is it hard for a fighter to destroy such an UAV as a bayraktar, for example?

        This is not about "Bayraktar", but about "Harop", and it is 3 times smaller in size.
      4. SSR
        SSR 21 October 2020 20: 54
        0
        Quote: Alexander Sayapin
        Why is it hard for a fighter to destroy such an UAV as a bayraktar, for example?

        It may be possible, but not for long in Armenia.
        Quote: donavi49
        Find him. The radar will work poorly. OLS is even worse (because the IR footprint is minimal). That is, you have to fly the plane from the ground.

    2. CSKA
      CSKA 21 October 2020 10: 01
      +4
      Quote: Krasnodar
      It is difficult to destroy a UAV from a fighter plane

      It depends on what kind of UAV you mean. Drone kamikaze or percussion?
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 21 October 2020 10: 05
        +1
        Kamikaze, of course, a scout - depending on which one, and the shock one - depends on the size.
        1. CSKA
          CSKA 21 October 2020 10: 35
          +3
          Quote: Krasnodar
          scout - depending on which one, and the shock one - depends on the size.

          Well, a scout, if not a large Hall type, but any shock one seems to me.
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 21 October 2020 11: 13
            +1
            Large - possibly smaller - problematic
            1. CSKA
              CSKA 21 October 2020 13: 23
              +1
              Quote: Krasnodar
              smaller - problematic

              What is smaller?
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 21 October 2020 13: 30
                -1
                Type ZƏRBƏ - https://aze.az/azerbaydzhanskie-udarnie-bespilotniki-sokrushitelnoe-oruzhie-foto.html
      2. Alexander Sayapin
        Alexander Sayapin 21 October 2020 10: 46
        +3
        Kamikaze are small. I mean bayraktars. Big bayraktars
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 21 October 2020 11: 14
          0
          It's not clear
    3. spech
      spech 21 October 2020 10: 49
      +1
      For example.
      [/ Quote]
      1. Alexander Sayapin
        Alexander Sayapin 21 October 2020 10: 52
        +1
        It does not count. Here the Mig-29 shoots an R-73 almost point-blank. The rocket flew quickly. I meant attacks from afar.
        1. CSKA
          CSKA 21 October 2020 11: 01
          +1
          Quote: Alexander Sayapin
          It does not count. Here the Mig-29 shoots an R-73 almost point-blank. The rocket flew quickly. I meant attacks from afar.

          Why do you think that a UAV cannot shoot down from a distance? The same R-73 has a range of 40 km, and the target detection range of the MiG-29 is 70 km.
          1. Alexander Sayapin
            Alexander Sayapin 21 October 2020 11: 12
            +1
            The R-73 has a maximum range of 15-20 km for a fighter with its powerful IR signature due to its jet engines. R-73 small rocket. I meant R-27 and R-77 missiles
          2. Garris199
            Garris199 21 October 2020 22: 30
            0
            And the SU30SM radar is much more powerful than the MiG
            1. CSKA
              CSKA 22 October 2020 11: 41
              +1
              Quote: Garris199
              And the SU30SM radar is much more powerful than the MiG

              And the Su-35S is even more powerful.
      2. Professor
        Professor 21 October 2020 13: 01
        +4
        [quote = spech] for example.
        [/ Quote][/ Quote]
        The Russian Foreign Ministry has officially announced. that this is a kind of fake and the MiG did not shoot down a Georgian drone. In your opinion, the Russian Foreign Ministry is lying?
        1. Alexander Sayapin
          Alexander Sayapin 21 October 2020 13: 13
          -1
          Professor, buddy, what do you mean?!)))
    4. MTN
      MTN 21 October 2020 12: 25
      -2
      Quote: Krasnodar
      It is difficult to destroy a UAV from a fighter plane

      The most effective method of countering drones is fighter jets with air-to-air missiles. Not the S-300, not the TOR, not the Carapace, but namely the FIGHTERS. And the so-called Karabakh has no fighters. And if Armenia lifts fighters into the air .... it means direct war (announcement) then the CSTO will definitely merge Armenia.
      1. Alexander Sayapin
        Alexander Sayapin 21 October 2020 12: 49
        0
        This is only if the Armenian fighter jet would have to fly over the territory of Karabakh. And this seems to be not required. Karabakh is so small that, with the declared capabilities of the Su-30, it is shot through by its missiles up and down ...
      2. BDRM 667
        BDRM 667 21 October 2020 15: 13
        +2
        Quote: MTN
        The most effective method of countering drones is fighter jets with air-to-air missiles. Not the S-300, not the TOR, not the Carapace, but namely the FIGHTERS. And the so-called Karabakh has no fighters. And if Armenia lifts fighters into the air .... it means direct war (announcement) then the CSTO will definitely merge Armenia.


        Excuse me, but then whose Su-25 are you shooting down (or at least claiming to be shot down)?

        Or Armenian attack aircraftare they not planes?
        Probably all the same planes. But then, your statement is categorically not clear, according to which takeoff fighters of Armenia is a "direct war" request
  4. Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 21 October 2020 09: 59
    +4
    Because Armenia is not involved in this conflict.
    1. Alexander Sayapin
      Alexander Sayapin 21 October 2020 10: 05
      +1
      So they could shoot them down secretly. No one will prove, for example, that the UAV did not fall by itself, but because it was hit by an R-27 missile. And the Su-30 does not need to enter the NKR airspace. Or you can do it covertly, at low altitudes. The distances there are very small for modern fighters ...
      1. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 21 October 2020 10: 19
        -1
        From west to east, the territory of Armenia has a maximum width of 150-180 km, the S-300PMU2 has a range of destruction of a fighter of 200 km. Therefore, the Su30 is not used.
        1. Alexander Sayapin
          Alexander Sayapin 21 October 2020 10: 34
          +3
          Not so sad for the Su-30, I think. Moreover, Azerbaijan will not drive the S-300 close to its borders. This is a risk. Moreover, he will not shoot at a fighter in the airspace of Armenia. Moreover, the effective range of s-300 firing at the fighter is much less than 100 km.
      2. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 21 October 2020 11: 16
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Sayapin
        So they could shoot them down secretly. No one will prove, for example, that the UAV did not fall by itself, but because it was hit by an R-27 missile. And the Su-30 does not need to enter the NKR airspace. Or you can do it covertly, at low altitudes. The distances there are very small for modern fighters ...

        It's probably even more difficult to shoot them down from afar. The Israelis are now trying to bungle two lines of interceptor drones, although they have a good, by world standards, fighter aircraft
        1. Alexander Sayapin
          Alexander Sayapin 21 October 2020 11: 23
          +1
          The Su-30 fires R-27 missiles at a distance of up to 100 km. Drones hardly maneuver and slowly fly at altitudes of 6..8 km. What is the problem?
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 21 October 2020 12: 00
            0
            I don't know how the p-27 works.
  5. tarabar
    tarabar 21 October 2020 10: 12
    +3
    I wonder why the Armenians do not use their Su-30 fighters to fight against Azerbaijani UAVs? Armenia already has 4 such quite modern Russian fighters

    Therefore, they do not use su-30 because there are only 4 of them. Just imagine, you have only one pair of new socks and you should not be invited to the wedding today or tomorrow, but then a neighbor called to the bathhouse. Will you put on new socks or would you prefer to go to the bathhouse barefoot?
    1. Alexander Sayapin
      Alexander Sayapin 21 October 2020 10: 37
      +3
      No one will shoot down a Su-30 in the airspace of Armenia. And why keep these planes? For a museum? Azerbaijan will not attack the territory of Armenia, because the Armenians are in the CSTO. Here is exactly what you need to shoot down the UAV from a great distance, carefully. The UAV is a very convenient target - it flies high and slowly. What is the problem?
      1. tarabar
        tarabar 21 October 2020 10: 54
        +4
        And if you ask yourself how the CSTO regulates the use of weapons by its member against a neighboring state - not a CSTO member. De jure, Karabakh is the territory of a neighboring state and it will be an aggression from the side of Armenia. Will it be able to count on the help of the CSTO when they begin to pinch its territory in response to its aggression? The Armenians still do not exchange the last trump card.
        1. Alexander Sayapin
          Alexander Sayapin 21 October 2020 11: 00
          +2
          Again - no one will prove what the bayraktars were shot down with. If su-30s shoot them down from the airspace of Armenia, without crossing borders, then formally no one can accuse the Armenians of anything. All over the world, UAVs go astray and fall by themselves. Not a single war has begun because of this
          1. Herman 4223
            Herman 4223 21 October 2020 11: 13
            +1
            It will not work, in order to shoot it down you have to fly into the airspace of Azerbaijan. Armenia has no long-range missiles with a range of under two hundred kilometers.
            When the front line is thirty kilometers from the border, then it may still be. But this will hardly be noticed and Azerbaijan will have the legal right to strike back on the territory of Armenia.
            In this case, the CSTO will not defend the latter.
            1. Alexander Sayapin
              Alexander Sayapin 21 October 2020 11: 21
              +1
              The Armenians have R-27 missiles. That's for sure. And maybe R-77 missiles. P-27s are hit at 70 km. This is quite enough. Why is there 200 km of range? Look at the cards
              1. Herman 4223
                Herman 4223 21 October 2020 11: 31
                +1
                The maximum launch range of an air-to-air missile depends on the height and speed of the carrier. The higher the altitude and speed, the further the launch is. R-27 has variants with a range of 110 km, but this is the maximum range. The effective will be less than twenty-thirty percent, and this is at high altitudes. At low altitudes, the launch range sags several times, (the density of the atmosphere interferes). They are all small and medium-altitude drones, they work mainly at low altitudes. So consider why missiles with a range of two hundred kilometers.
                1. Alexander Sayapin
                  Alexander Sayapin 21 October 2020 11: 44
                  0
                  You're right. I know all these nuances. Most of my questions are not because I'm supposedly surprised or perplexed. I'm just trying to draw attention to this fact and I want you and any other thinking reader to be able to provoke these facts into other conditions of possible confrontations and battles in the air. And I also want to remind you that fighters similar to the Armenian Su-30 (in terms of their combat capabilities) make up the majority of our Russian fighter aircraft ... And our opponents will not be slow-moving bayraktar.
                  1. Herman 4223
                    Herman 4223 21 October 2020 12: 22
                    +1
                    If Armenia fought against Azerbaijan, the Su-30 would have found a job. Provided that they crash at the airport.
          2. Gofman
            Gofman 21 October 2020 11: 53
            0
            Quote: Alexander Sayapin
            Again - no one will prove .... ... formally no one can accuse the Armenians of anything.
            In principle, yes, this is quite in the style of Armenian politics, this also applies to the demand for recognition of Karabakh by any other countries except Armenia itself, and "allied relations" with Russia in terms of "defend your ally here, but don't look there - there we begin to be friends with the Americans and trample your flag. " Well, once this will work, well, two times - and then this cunning state for this will begin to carry its face on the table ... but, in general, they have already begun ...
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  6. Artavazdych
    Artavazdych 21 October 2020 10: 31
    +1
    The Su-30 is the Armenian Air Force, not the Karabakh army. Therefore, they do not use
    1. Alexander Sayapin
      Alexander Sayapin 21 October 2020 10: 48
      +2
      Nobody will prove how the bayraktars were brought down over the NKR. A su-30 missile from the territory of Armenia, or a shot from a local air defense system.
      1. Artavazdych
        Artavazdych 21 October 2020 10: 59
        +2
        I really don't know
        1. Alexander Sayapin
          Alexander Sayapin 21 October 2020 11: 10
          +4
          Strange, but it feels like everyone has forgotten one simple thing - the basis of air defense and the main means of airspace control - fighters. Air defense systems are good because they are directly constantly in a covered position and can shoot down such exotic targets as, for example, ballistic missiles or small-sized drones-guided missiles of the enemy. But the fighter is the basis. Even better - with an AWACS aircraft. This is the air defense elite. No air defense system will ever compare with a fighter and in terms of its capabilities. And, most importantly, in light of the beating of Armenians by Azerbaijanis with the help of drones, drones are not at all opposed to fighters. The air defense system can be overloaded with a large number of bombs and missiles, or covertly sneak in with a small kamikaze and destroy it. But not a fighter. It is strange that the Armenians do not use the Su-30. The losses on the ground are monstrous, the fighting spirit is undermined. And what are the "aces of the Luftwaffe" of the Armenian Air Force doing now? On vacations they sit and drink beer, chtol?
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 21 October 2020 11: 18
            +3
            It's not a fact that the Su-30 can shoot down Bayraktar or Heron-TP from a long distance.
            1. Alexander Sayapin
              Alexander Sayapin 21 October 2020 11: 27
              -3
              Why not a fact? They even see stealth F-35 perfectly and can shoot down from a long distance, from 50 kilometers. And slow-moving and non-maneuverable bayraktars should shoot down even larger ones! This should be enough
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 21 October 2020 12: 02
                +2
                Quote: Alexander Sayapin
                Why not a fact? They even see stealth F-35 perfectly and can shoot down from a long distance, from 50 kilometers. And slow-moving and non-maneuverable bayraktars should shoot down even larger ones! This should be enough

                What about seeing the F-35 from 50 km - without a lens? Well, everything is possible, I don't know. As for the Bayraktors - you need to look at the dimensions - it is quite possible, although ... I do not believe the declared characteristics, to be honest
                1. Alexander Sayapin
                  Alexander Sayapin 21 October 2020 12: 17
                  +2
                  So I slowly cease to believe ... Especially after Idlib, where the shells had to be moved along the ground under the same bayraktars, although Khmeimim is just a stone's throw away. Well, you understand ....
                  1. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 21 October 2020 12: 26
                    0
                    Hmeimim is a little different - you cannot shoot from there at the Turks
                    1. Alexander Sayapin
                      Alexander Sayapin 21 October 2020 12: 32
                      0
                      Let me remind you that from there the Su-24 and Su-34 flew the Turks to bomb "by mistake." And the Turks shot down 1 ... 3 Su-24s and several Assad helicopters with their F-16s over the border ... I still remember well what was there
                    2. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 21 October 2020 12: 35
                      0
                      But the shot from there will be detected, the work of the aerospace forces - possibly too. Plus intelligence
                    3. Alexander Sayapin
                      Alexander Sayapin 21 October 2020 13: 06
                      0
                      To your health. Let them spot. So what? They have long been accusing each other of mutual shelling and transfer of bandits and weapons. It will not change anything.
  • MTN
    MTN 21 October 2020 12: 03
    +2
    Quote: Alexander Sayapin
    I wonder why Armenians do not use their Su-30 fighters to fight Azerbaijani UAVs

    in this case, the LIE that Armenia is not at war with Azerbaijan will disappear. This is a direct declaration of war on Azerbaijan and, accordingly, in this case, the CSTO will not protect them and Azerbaijan will have a chance to strike at Armenia. And there is the Nakhichevan base .... from there they will directly destroy all these aircraft. And to be honest, these aircraft are the only method to destroy the UAVs of Azerbaijan. Only as far as I know, they have not yet bought missiles for them.
    1. Alexander Sayapin
      Alexander Sayapin 21 October 2020 12: 15
      0
      And where does the information come from that the missiles were not bought? These missiles are not new (like ours), and there should be a lot of them in warehouses ...
    2. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 21 October 2020 12: 44
      0
      Quote: MTN
      And to be honest, these aircraft are the only method to destroy the UAVs of Azerbaijan. ...

      Especially Harop and Zerbe-kamikaze))
  • ZAV69
    ZAV69 22 October 2020 08: 27
    0
    And because Armenia is not officially at war with Azerbaijan.
  • tTshka
    tTshka 21 October 2020 10: 01
    +6
    Mamay klinus, he himself fell
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 21 October 2020 10: 06
      +1
      Well, Harop probably fell himself. He doesn't have much time in the air. When it ends, he himself falls, if there is no goal.
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 21 October 2020 10: 06
    0
    Even tonight, I thought about this, marking the day of the signalman. If Beiktar still falls to Iran. FORCE Aliyev to peace, there is only one opportunity, to destroy his UAV. If you take control of Beiktar, unload the ammunition over the Azerbaijani troops and plant the glider in Aliyev’s residence, the war will end in 6 hours. Fantastic! But I think they are working on it. What money did Izya receive for the transfer of Israeli technologies to Iran? wassat
    1. BDRM 667
      BDRM 667 21 October 2020 10: 48
      +5
      Quote: tralflot1832
      What money did Izya receive for the transfer of Israeli technologies to Iran?

      As the famous Russian and Soviet biologist, breeder Ivan Vladimirovich Michurin (1855-1935) said:

      We cannot wait for favors from nature, to take them from her is our task


      The Iranians did the same, shooting down or forcing enemy UAVs to land through electronic warfare.
      Earlier with American, and now with Azerbaijani, Israeli origin.
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 21 October 2020 10: 51
        -2
        I like my theory with Izya more, for 30 pieces of silver. hi
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 21 October 2020 11: 20
          +2
          Quote: tralflot1832
          I like my theory with Izya more, for 30 pieces of silver. hi

          Which parents will crash for a hut worth 3 million rubles? belay lol
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 21 October 2020 10: 28
    +4
    First, shells, some rockets flew to the Iranian side, now the UAV decided to visit the country on an official visit. But silence also has its limit. They will not fight, but they will warn him so that it will not be very pleasant for Aliyev.
    1. K-612-O
      K-612-O 21 October 2020 10: 53
      +2
      To fight is not to fight, and for the second week they transfer troops and air defense to the border. And, yes, the Persians are suspiciously silent, although I'm afraid they have not forgotten the recognition of Jerusalem by the Armenians either.
  • Gunther
    Gunther 21 October 2020 10: 30
    -2
    Israeli quality fellow
    he "accidentally" flew by laughing
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 21 October 2020 11: 22
      +3
      Quote: Gunter
      Israeli quality fellow
      he "accidentally" flew by laughing

      Why should the poor Israelis have quality - everything was done under a Russian license lol
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 21 October 2020 10: 57
    +2
    I will not be surprised, this tongue from Azerbaijan will be poisoned from both sides. Like an operation forcing to peace. Iran will get a big plus in front of Europe, especially from Macron. Although here the lover of old women will come in handy! Iran needs Airbases, then Boeing will checkmate.
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 21 October 2020 11: 23
      +3
      Whom can he force to peace? )) The Turks will crack it like a nut, and with an Azerbaijani population of tens of millions in Iran itself, this is generally trash
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 21 October 2020 11: 43
        +1
        hi Are there no Armenians in Iran? On all those who disagree in Iran, there is an Iranian revolution corps, with cranes. Tough, but they are holding on to this. I suspect China has begun to act in Iran. Like the devil from a tobaccona, the Iranian project of oil terminals across the Strait of Hormuz appeared. The US is given the Persian Gulf, in exchange for oil to China. Documentation on oil pipelines is already there. Amers will have to catch up with China. I am always for a Jew who pays nologs in Russia. Back in 83 I had your representative under my wing in the army. He did not give offense. Although many were against. But one once broke, over the years I ask his forgiveness! hi
        1. MTN
          MTN 21 October 2020 12: 05
          +1
          Quote: tralflot1832
          Are there no Armenians in Iran?

          not a significant part. Azerbaijanis 30 million
        2. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 21 October 2020 12: 09
          +1
          Yes, the Jews have to do with laughing
          I do not believe that Iran will fit in with Armenia, although a couple of hundred thousand Armenians live there. The only thing that the Persians can justly get tired of the fall of shells on their territory and they can hit at the source of fire - not necessarily Azerbaijani, by the way
  • Lesorub
    Lesorub 21 October 2020 11: 01
    +6
    An Israeli-made kamikaze drone crashed in Iran

    Iran will once again say thanks to free technologies.
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 21 October 2020 11: 19
    0
    I have always said Israel sometimes does good deeds. good
  • askort154
    askort154 21 October 2020 11: 43
    +3
    An Israeli-made kamikaze drone crashed in Iran.

    This is not the first one over Iran.
    - in 2011 - RQ -170. Iran "accepted" him. The US asked to return - Iran replied - "screw you"! His condition was normal for familiarization with his technology.
    - in 2019 - RQ-4A. Iran shot down over the Strait of Hormuz - USA
    howled and forgotten.
    Iran is far from being Russia, but it behaves harshly towards everyone, regardless of their "regalia", which is clearly not enough for us. We are being strained around the entire perimeter, and we are playing "partnership" all the time. Even Erdogan ("friend since 2016"), in 2019-20, lowered us below the plinth. Literally before our eyes, in one year, he brazenly climbed into Syria, Azerbaijan and Ukraine. And this is not distant Libya, these are regions of the age-old influence of Russia.
    Let's not show Turkey's "teeth", Japan will start to become impudent in the East. I'm not talking about the Anglo-Saxons. They are nuts from the fire, they never carry with their own hands. If in the next 5-10 years Russia does not change its international policy vector, the problems will grow like a snowball.
  • Vsevolod136
    Vsevolod136 21 October 2020 15: 21
    +2
    The war in Karabakh is a good opportunity for Israel to stick its nose into Iran's air defenses.
  • Vsevolod136
    Vsevolod136 21 October 2020 15: 47
    +1
    Quote: MTN
    Quote: tralflot1832
    Are there no Armenians in Iran?

    not a significant part. Azerbaijanis 30 million

    Almost all representatives of Paniranism opposed to Paturkism - Ahmad Kasravi Tabrizi, Abdolali Karang, Yahya Zoka, Parviz Varjavand, Hasan Tagizade, Zaryab-Khoya come from Tabriz, Urmia, Maragi, Khoy, Ardabil and have nothing to do with the Caucasian Tarami.
    Supporters of the "united people of the people divided by Araks" in Persia are marginalized and agents of Turkey and Azerbaijan
    and Israel, without agents of Israel in any way.
  • Generator Systems
    Generator Systems 21 October 2020 23: 27
    +1
    If it was programmed by a Japanese, then all the rules should be so. wassat