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Ukraine will build a new Sevastopol

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A significant event for Ukraine, the report of President Zelensky on the work done before the Rada deputies, made a depressing impression on many. And not because there was no report as such, but there was another pre-election campaign. The speech of the Ukrainian president showed the full depth of the country's dependence on Western partners and Western money.


The words “Ukraine has created”, “We have achieved”, “Our partners in the West” and others, said in a menacing voice from the rostrum of the Rada, aroused more laughter than interest. The topics raised by Zelensky in the message (I repeat, I consider this to be another pre-election speech) did not in any way concern the people of Ukraine. And if they did (for example, increasing the salaries of doctors by 300%), they caused a storm of negativity.

About a third of the presentation was devoted to military topics. New weapons, new relations with NATO and so on. Therefore, it was interesting for me to understand what the Ukrainian president really wants to say. Is it proclaiming preparations for a war with Russia or a military solution to the Donbass problem, as some analysts say? Or does he really want to create a modern Ukrainian army?

Modern Armed Forces of Ukraine


After hearing from the President of Ukraine, I get the impression that in the perception of Ukrainians, the word "modern" is something like a synonym for "not Soviet". And it doesn't matter at all that much of what from Western countries will somehow be supplied to the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Navy has long been decommissioned and withdrawn from the armies of the supplying countries. The main thing is to be "made in ..."

Probably, in this way, officers and soldiers of the Ukrainian armed forces are "retrained" for Western weapons. That is to say, from simple to complex. First, old scrap metal, and then something that looks more like modern weapon... I cannot find any other explanation. Buy on credit and for a lot of money what is dumped in a landfill ... But Ukrainian logic bears little resemblance to formal boring logic.

Is the same история and with the latest Ukrainian weapons systems. Zelensky listed them in some detail in the list of his victories. Take old, Soviet era development and modernize them to the modern level. Isn't it a way to the future? Probably, this can also lead somewhere, to some kind of mythical future. But making the army capable of resisting really new weapons is hardly.

With what pride President Zelensky talked about the deliveries of American coast guard boats ... And that the Ukrainian fleet will receive British boats! .. I was not too lazy and found the last contract for the production of those boats that the Ukrainian Navy will have. So, the last boats of this series (Barzan) were built by the British in the 90s of the last century for one of the Arab countries (Qatar). Probably, the Ukrainians believe that these boats were so much ahead of their time that they are still relevant for the military fleet.

Ukraine will build two new naval bases


In fact, what Zelensky said about the construction of new naval bases in the Azov and Black Seas has already been announced earlier by the deputy head of the presidential office, Igor Zhovkva. As well as the fact that this decision was made after a visit to London. It was Zhovkva who also announced that one of the bases, in my opinion, the Black Sea, would be built by the British.

"We are starting to build two state Ukrainian naval bases to protect the Black Sea region," so that "no one else would even think that it is possible to encroach on our sovereignty, territorial integrity or take away part of Ukraine's territory without a single shot." Terrible? Quite. Are we scared? No. Then why is this statement? Or, after the next modernization, the former Soviet KGB patrol ship "Kirov", renamed the Hetman Sagaidachny naval frigate, will be renamed a cruiser, and it will drive Russian ships across the Black Sea?

The Ukrainian president also announced modernization. To build even one new base from scratch, Ukraine will need at least $ 4-6 billion. Taking into account the construction of infrastructure and other auxiliary facilities. Where to get that kind of money? Judging by the fact that the idea surfaced after a visit to Britain, the money will be allocated in the form of a loan from London and Washington. And even a person who is not particularly versed in Ukrainian affairs understands that a new base is really needed. But it is not the toy Navy of Ukraine that needs it, but the Americans and the British.

We somehow forgot about the construction of the Center for Operational Fleet Management of the Ukrainian Navy in Ochakov, Mykolaiv region. They forgot that the American army was behind the beautiful facade. The Americans are building and the Americans are building. The Americans and their closest allies, the British, will naturally be stationed there. And it won't be a platoon or a company. This will be a full-fledged team.

The creation of such a base in the new country must be provided with sufficient force cover. Aviation in this case it is not enough. This is where a new base for the fleet is needed. First, a great way to supply your own units. Second, cover from amphibious assault and ground forces. I think the desires of the United States and Britain are clear.

But another question arises. Why is Ukraine? Why go into debt to build a naval base that doesn't solve anything for Ukraine itself? Even in the long term, the Ukrainian fleet in the next decade will not receive something that can be called a combat ship. And for boats, having a huge base is too luxurious. Today the entire Ukrainian fleet is accommodated in Odessa and Nikolaev with comfort.

I will express my own, perhaps for many, unexpected assumption. Sevastopol! Yes, it is the new Sevastopol as a way to have money and do nothing for this! It seems to me that the Ukrainians have again overreached themselves. The train of thought is quite understandable. We build the naval base necessary for the Americans and the British, and then we rent it out on a long-term lease. Only now they started playing not with kind Russians, who always forgive, but with serious sharks, who have already devoured more than one state. Especially the British.

At the same time, Ukraine receives first, funds for the development of its own fleet or for solving other problems. Secondly, the infrastructure of the base itself and the surrounding territories is being modernized, and later repaired, by the Americans and the British. Thirdly, the presence of American and British ships in the territorial waters of Ukraine, albeit minimal, but guarantees the safety of the Ukrainian coast.

We will not speak loudly about the second naval base, on Azov. Simply because the heavy missile cruisers and aircraft carriers that roam the vast deep sea are already naval bases in themselves. Even if the Ukrainians really conceived something to build on the coast of the Azov Sea, it will be URs and coastal batteries. And this is a completely unnecessary waste.

Hate instead of love


Immediately after the President's speech in the Rada, I began to analyze the reaction of the Ukrainian politicians and Ukrainian society. Moreover, I was interested in the opinion of Ukrainians from both sides of the confrontation in the Donbass, Ukrainians from the western and eastern regions, representatives of both pro-government and opposition parties. I wondered if Zelenskiy's speech was the motive that will be decisive in the upcoming vote.

I do not know what the reaction will be today, but what happened yesterday can be safely called a failure. The people quickly reacted to the fact that the president did not want to deal with the economy and social sphere at all. The political parties immediately made a stand: we are not with this gentleman. We are completely different. The military switched to an unpopular language in the media, but widely used in the military.

So why did the Ukrainian president proclaim a course towards war? No, he did not openly say this. But the increase in the military budget, the purchase of weapons, the modernization of old systems, the construction of military bases, and so on, speak of just that. It seems to me that Zelensky has really lost its shores. Indeed, he believes that someone or something will be able to change the balance of power in the Black Sea region. He believes that currying favor with the Turkish president and agreeing to his terms will make the Turks enemies of Russia.

Probably, the time has come when it is time for our political leadership to tell Ukraine directly who is who. Stop just sitting and watching. We need to click on the nose of this presumptuous boy. Every cricket know your six. How this can be done, it seems to me, is also clear. It is impossible to wait for the crazy Ukrainian commander-in-chief to send Ukrainian men to death in Donbass. After all, our people are already there.

For some reason, I remembered trains with coal, metal, wheat and other products of the USSR, which went to Germany on June 22, 1941 ...
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  1. Artavazdych
    Artavazdych 22 October 2020 10: 03
    18
    To build a new Sevastopol, you must first dig a new Black Sea. Well Zelensky knows better than me
    1. BDRM 667
      BDRM 667 22 October 2020 14: 44
      +9
      Ukraine will build a new Sevastopol

      "Sevastopol, Sevastopol,city ​​of Russian sailors !"




      Over "Sevastopol - 2"to flutter the glorious Russian St. Andrew's flag! yes
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      3. Xnumx vis
        Xnumx vis 23 October 2020 19: 11
        +6
        Quote: BDRM 667
        "Sevastopol, Sevastopol, the city of Russian sailors!"

        Our song !
        The legendary Sevastopol,
        Unapproachable to enemies.
        Sevastopol, Sevastopol -
        Pride of Russian sailors!
        and this is the song of Svido sailor ------- laughing

        Great Sevastopol,
        City of glory ships:
        Bilokam'yana capital
        Ukrainian sailors https://www.youtube.com/watch? V = Eqw2hNxf8SM & feature = emb_logo
        laughing Oh ... shit! My mother is a woman!
  2. Svarog
    Svarog 22 October 2020 10: 03
    +4
    They dug the Black Sea and will cope with this task .. laughing
    1. antivirus
      antivirus 24 October 2020 10: 53
      +2
      I wrote many times - the soil from the World Cup was taken out - the Caucasian mountains were poured. kokhly forgot about their second feat - they poured mountains above the Alps and are not proud of it.
  3. Tiksi-3
    Tiksi-3 22 October 2020 10: 04
    +1
    Quote from the article - After all there now already our people
    I'm embarrassed to ask, but weren't our people there before?
    1. domokl
      22 October 2020 16: 20
      +3
      Do not hesitate ... Before there were citizens of Ukraine, today the citizens of Russia are mainly
      1. to bite
        to bite 22 October 2020 16: 58
        +2
        Quote: domokl
        Do not hesitate ... Before there were citizens of Ukraine, today the citizens of Russia are mainly

        That's right, Alexander is time to call everything by their proper names .. As they are with us, so are we with the "brothers" .. Enough to be liberal and afraid of offending someone ..
        Already tired of all this!
      2. Tiksi-3
        Tiksi-3 23 October 2020 07: 12
        0
        Quote: domokl
        Previously, there were citizens of Ukraine, today citizens of Russia are mainly

        before and now in the bulk there are Soviet people ... and not Ukrainians and Russians ... why are you drawing the border? ... how many of those who have a Ukrainian wife and he is Russian or vice versa ...
        1. Pushkar
          Pushkar 25 October 2020 19: 20
          -1
          Quote: Tiksi-3
          Quote: domokl
          Previously, there were citizens of Ukraine, today citizens of Russia are mainly

          before and now in the bulk there are Soviet people ... and not Ukrainians and Russians ... why are you drawing the border? ... how many of those who have a Ukrainian wife and he is Russian or vice versa ...

          It's about citizenship.
      3. The eye of the crying
        The eye of the crying 27 October 2020 20: 37
        0
        Quote: domokl
        Previously, there were citizens of Ukraine, today citizens of Russia are mainly


        Could you give the numbers?
  4. iouris
    iouris 22 October 2020 10: 05
    -2
    Quote: “The time has come when it is time for our political leadership to tell Ukraine directly who is who.” End of quote.
    Boldly. Very brave. Straight breathtaking. Addresses, passwords, turn up?
    1. IC
      IC 22 October 2020 10: 26
      0
      By the way, someone got scared and worried. Read Peskov's interview.
    2. Wertgan
      Wertgan 22 October 2020 18: 54
      +1
      Again they appeal to the mythical "our political leadership". Let's better remember what has been done by us, the people, this year? In January, the president announced a course towards sovereignty and a referendum .... Now it was delayed for five months ... Here is the indistinct turnout of the population to the vote ... Is it sad somehow? Let us recall the provocative articles of R. Skomorokhov on this site, inciting against the referendum (under the sauce of criticism of the authorities). When this R. Skomorokhov wrote his articles, for example, did you object to him in the comments? Did you somehow oppose his position? If not, then please do it next time. Then rely on leadership.
      1. tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
        tovarich-andrey.62goncharov 24 October 2020 17: 06
        +1
        For some time now, the site's policy has become mmm ... so Unambiguous ...
  5. BAI
    BAI 22 October 2020 10: 17
    -5
    1.
    So, the last boats of this series (Barzan) were built by the British in the 90s of the last century for one of the Arab countries (Qatar).

    The boats will be built in England. To pay for them, Ukraine took a loan from ... England.
    2. The bases will be in Ilyichevsk (if the old name is preserved) and in Nikolaev.
    3.
    when the insane Ukrainian commander-in-chief sends Ukrainian men to death in Donbass

    Will not send. There are now drones for this, as the war in Karabakh showed. Moreover, Ukraine has drones, but Donbass has nothing to answer. Now the advantage is on the side of Ukraine.
    1. Bessik
      Bessik 22 October 2020 11: 07
      +7
      Quote: BAI
      Will not send. There are now drones for this, as the war in Karabakh showed. Moreover, Ukraine has drones, but Donbass has nothing to answer.

      Yes, yes, I remember at the beginning of the conflict in the East, they said the same about the Ukrainian Air Force, they quickly shot down the visor, now the current is flying on holidays)
    2. cat Rusich
      cat Rusich 22 October 2020 21: 21
      +3
      Quote: BAI

      2. The bases will be in Ilyichevsk (if the old name is preserved)
      On February 18, 2016 Ilyichevsk was renamed Chernomorsk. Initially - Bugovy Farms, in 1927 renamed to Ilyichevsky Farms, in 1952 renamed to Ilyichevsk.
      1. Pushkar
        Pushkar 25 October 2020 19: 28
        0
        Quote: cat Rusich
        Quote: BAI

        2. The bases will be in Ilyichevsk (if the old name is preserved)
        On February 18, 2016 Ilyichevsk was renamed Chernomorsk. Initially - Bugovy Farms, in 1927 renamed to Ilyichevsky Farms, in 1952 renamed to Ilyichevsk.

        Well done! Completely according to Ilf and Petrov! It remains to rename New-Vasyuki.
    3. Niel-le-Calais
      Niel-le-Calais 22 October 2020 22: 46
      0
      Quote: BAI
      2. The bases will be in Ilyichevsk (if the old name is preserved) and in Nikolaev.

      it is unlikely that Chernomorsk and its commercial port can be used as a military base.
      Ochakov / Nikolaev (there is also a military port of Oktyabrsk of the former USSR)
    4. nemez
      nemez 28 October 2020 09: 13
      0
      Oh, ha ha ha, they made fun, the same Turkish drones that are intercepted by Russian RB
  6. Sergei 777
    Sergei 777 22 October 2020 10: 24
    -1
    Take old, Soviet era development and modernize them to the modern level. Isn't it a way to the future? Probably, this can also lead somewhere, to some kind of mythical future.

    Remembering the T-72b3
    1. Niel-le-Calais
      Niel-le-Calais 22 October 2020 22: 47
      -2
      Quote: Sergey 777
      Remembering the T-72b3

      that's not it! This is different (s)
      An ordinary log in the eye.
      But tight, spiritual ...
      others do not.
    2. nemez
      nemez 28 October 2020 09: 16
      0
      We remember the United States and the next modernization of Abrams. They are such hamsters
  7. IC
    IC 22 October 2020 10: 25
    10
    The author forgot to mention why Britain or the United States need a naval base. What are the Montreux conventions going to cancel? Or do they lack the bases of NATO countries on the Black Sea in Bulgaria, Romania or Turkey? Not to mention the uselessness of large surface ships in this theater of operations. Logic during the Crimean War of the 19th century.
    1. LiSiCyn
      LiSiCyn 22 October 2020 10: 49
      +3
      Quote: IMS
      The author forgot to mention why Britain or the United States need a naval base. What are the Montreux conventions going to cancel?

      Here ... good
      What, it can be based there, if the time and number of warships of countries outside the region is limited. Provided that Turkey at the moment is happy to put a spoke in its wheels.
      1. Wertgan
        Wertgan 22 October 2020 18: 57
        -1
        Obviously. The base is needed to keep NATO ships there. That is, against Russia.
    2. nemez
      nemez 28 October 2020 09: 18
      0
      Ships of the USA and England cannot stay there for more than a month, constant rotation is a cost
  8. betta
    betta 22 October 2020 10: 28
    +1
    It is strange to hear the comparison with Sevastopol. You can build a lot, but where to get the heroic history, the power of the fleet (your own, not foreign).
  9. Undecim
    Undecim 22 October 2020 10: 32
    +2
    A significant event for Ukraine, the report of President Zelensky on the work done before the Rada deputies, made a depressing impression on many.
    A depressing impression is made by dazibao from Staver, published for some unknown reason in the "Analytics" section.
    1. Normal ok
      Normal ok 22 October 2020 10: 45
      -1
      Quote: Undecim
      A significant event for Ukraine, the report of President Zelensky on the work done before the Rada deputies, made a depressing impression on many.
      A depressing impression is made by dazibao from Staver, published for some unknown reason in the "Analytics" section.

      There are authors on VO whose materials are only tracing paper (moreover, spoiled) from the programs of Solovyov and Co. By the way, something has not been seen for a long time. laughing
      1. Undecim
        Undecim 22 October 2020 10: 56
        +1
        By the way, something has not been seen for a long time.
        Obviously Kharaluzhny is replacing, and Kamenev is Staver.
        1. Niel-le-Calais
          Niel-le-Calais 22 October 2020 22: 50
          +2
          Quote: Undecim
          By the way, something has not been seen for a long time.
          Obviously Kharaluzhny is replacing, and Kamenev is Staver.

          Well, Gromov's are usually slogans.
          Kharaluzhny is "very bad for Ukrainians" (that is, the Kamenev case)
          Staver is usually somewhere in between. But his calls from Gromova to do something sound quite specific.
          A call to war (just for him). He managed to simultaneously engage in capsizing together with a call to military action. What the "Kamenevs" usually did not do.
          Here is such a "analytics". No analytics.
      2. tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
        tovarich-andrey.62goncharov 24 October 2020 17: 12
        +1
        Are you probably closer to Amnuel-Bykov and Gozman? Say so. And something contrary to Soloviev and arguments is dumb ...
  10. Ru_Na
    Ru_Na 22 October 2020 10: 42
    +6
    Probably, the time has come when it is time for our political leadership to tell Ukraine directly who is who. Stop just sitting and watching. We need to click on the nose of this presumptuous boy. Every cricket know your six. How this can be done, it seems to me, is also clear.

    Well, maybe the author of the article is understandable, but I think ours will again express concern about this and that's it!
    It's time to face the truth, we lost Ukraine, for the coming decades it will be an openly hostile, Russophobic country!
    1. tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
      tovarich-andrey.62goncharov 24 October 2020 17: 15
      0
      And why do we need Bandera Ukraine, Let all the secret become clear and these will gnaw each other's throats Less then we get out. And I do not agree with the policy of an affectionate GDP in Ukraine! Without bloodletting (civil war), this abscess will not go away so easily. IMHO.
  11. Errr
    Errr 22 October 2020 11: 03
    +2
    From the article:
    We will not speak loudly about the second naval base, on Azov. Simply because the heavy missile cruisers and aircraft carriers that roam the vast deep sea are already naval bases in themselves.
    Here I stopped completely understanding ... Either the heavy missile cruisers and aircraft carriers are already in Azov, and Azov has already become deep-water and the supports of the Crimean Bridge have already grown up, or the Turks have already opened the Bosphorus for American and British aircraft carriers so that the S-400 is not childishly check ... Just the brain at random. laughing
  12. Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 22 October 2020 11: 09
    +6
    You can scold Zelensky, the presidents of the other post-Soviet republics as much as you like, but we must admit the fact that the collapse of the USSR continues and what is happening to all the former "sisters" are consequences. Also, recognize the fact that the former Soviet republics were unable to create something a new "good" instead of a bad "old". The so-called CIS turned out to be incompetent, on the basis of it they could not create a single economic space, a military bloc that would meet the requirements of all participants. Therefore, I am not surprised by Zelensky's statements. Now everyone has a mustache.
  13. Errr
    Errr 22 October 2020 11: 18
    +3
    From the article:
    For some reason, I remembered trains with coal, metal, wheat and other products of the USSR, which went to Germany on June 22, 1941 ...
    Alexander, if you clearly remember this, write in more detail and, best of all, in a separate article about how exactly the trains went on Sunday June 22, 1941 from the USSR to Germany. lol
    1. Niel-le-Calais
      Niel-le-Calais 22 October 2020 22: 55
      -3
      Quote: Herrr
      exactly how the trains went on Sunday, June 22, 1941 from the USSR to Germany.

      The last echelon with Soviet grain crossed the bridge over the Western Bug to Terespol 1 hour 15 minutes before the German attack.
      The USSR is Germany's fifth most important trading partner in 1940/1941.
      1. Errr
        Errr 23 October 2020 06: 06
        +1
        Quote: Niel-le-Calais
        The last echelon with Soviet grain crossed the bridge over the Western Bug to Terespol 1 hour 15 minutes before the German attack.
        There is another point of view. Look at https://www.vif2ne.org/forum/0/arhprint/2337809
  14. Dimka75
    Dimka75 22 October 2020 12: 35
    +3
    an increase in the military budget, the purchase of weapons, the modernization of old systems, the construction of military bases, etc., all speak of this. It seems to me that Zelensky has really lost its shores.

    for any country, the development of its own military-industrial complex is a normal phenomenon
    Except non-brothers
    No way for them, they, in the opinion of the author, will overflow the banks
  15. cniza
    cniza 22 October 2020 14: 01
    0
    For some reason, I remembered trains with coal, metal, wheat and other products of the USSR, which went to Germany on June 22, 1941 ...


    Indeed, we continue to send "echelons" to Ukraine ...
    1. Niel-le-Calais
      Niel-le-Calais 22 October 2020 23: 01
      0
      Quote: cniza
      Indeed, we continue to send "echelons" to Ukraine.

      From January to August 2020, Russia became a major trading partner of Ukraine, according to the State Customs Service of Ukraine.
      Russia this year successfully exports live cattle and small ruminants, meat and meat products, fish and fish products, dairy products, vegetables, fruits, honey, nuts, tea, coffee, garden and park seedlings to Ukraine, salt, sugar, confectionery. Also in demand in Ukraine are Russian toys for children, tobacco products, plastics, leather and leather products, wood and wood products, fuel and lubricants, pulp and paper products, watches and parts for watches, civil vehicles of all types.
      From Ukraine, Russia imports rolled metal and metal products, machine tools and vehicles, chemical products, timber and pulp and paper products, food products and agricultural raw materials, textiles and footwear, reports the Russian Foreign Trade portal. The total volume of money transfers to Ukraine from Russia for three quarters of 2020 amounted to about $ 800 million.
      Exports of goods to Russia in August amounted to $ 12 billion, the volume of Russian imports - $ 25,2 billion. At the same time, Russia moved to second place in the list of Ukraine's largest trade partners.
      It is profitable for the Russian Federation to trade with Ukraine. The balance is comfortable.
  16. ZEMCH
    ZEMCH 22 October 2020 15: 22
    +1
    The words “Ukraine has created”, “We have achieved”, “Our partners in the West” and others, said in a menacing voice from the rostrum of the Rada, aroused more laughter than interest.

    So that's why he is a humorist laughing
    The bases are valid for the United States and Britain, it is a pity that Ukrainians do not understand this
  17. Andrey Krasnoyarsky
    Andrey Krasnoyarsky 22 October 2020 15: 55
    -1
    Ukraine will build two naval bases on the Black Sea and will call them Banderopol and Zelenopol.
  18. Old Bolshevik
    Old Bolshevik 22 October 2020 16: 37
    0
    Is Ukraine too weak to create a new Crimea in the Carpathians?
  19. Old Bolshevik
    Old Bolshevik 22 October 2020 16: 39
    0
    Medical cannabis works political miracles with the leadership of Ukraine!
  20. to bite
    to bite 22 October 2020 16: 46
    0
    The words "Ukraine has created", "We have achieved", "Our partners in the West" and others, said in a formidable voice from the rostrum of the Rada

    Laughter laughter, but the United States still has not abandoned the dream of creating its own military base in Crimea and squeezing Russia out .... They are crushing Russia around the borders! Wouldn't it be time for Russia to show interest in the US borders as well? The same Cuba, Venezuela is expensive, of course, but better than organizing an arms race on its borders .... The Cuban missile crisis in the Soviet era was very dangerous, but the effect was great, the Amersians removed their Pershing missiles from Europe, etc.
    Maybe repeat?
  21. NF68
    NF68 22 October 2020 16: 46
    0
    And flags in your hands.
  22. Siberian54
    Siberian54 22 October 2020 17: 49
    0
    Well, thank God, at least something will appear on the outskirts of its own ... And then wherever you spit everywhere Soviet ...
  23. Kot_Kuzya
    Kot_Kuzya 22 October 2020 17: 53
    +4
    .
    For some reason, I remembered trains with coal, metal, wheat and other products of the USSR, which went to Germany on June 22, 1941 ...
    The author again repeats liberal stories. In the summer of 1939, Moscow made a condition to Berlin that it was ready to conclude a non-aggression pact on condition that Germany issued a loan to the USSR, and Hitler allocated a loan to the USSR in the amount of 200 million gold marks, which the USSR had to repay within five years, supplying grain as payment for the loan. wood, cake and other raw materials. The USSR, for these 200 million marks, bought from Germany a lot of modern machine tools and equipment for the production of high-tech products, on which weapons and equipment were made during the war. And of course, with the beginning of the war, the USSR stopped paying this loan, and after the war this loan was written off altogether. So this loan turned out to be very beneficial for the USSR. But the liberals either do not know this, or they deliberately keep silent, presenting grain deliveries as if Stalin supplied Hitler with bread for free.
  24. georggy
    georggy 22 October 2020 18: 48
    0
    New Israel.
  25. iouris
    iouris 22 October 2020 20: 44
    -1
    How much is opium for the Ukrainian people? What about marijuana?
  26. Uma palata
    Uma palata 23 October 2020 01: 36
    +1
    KVN is eternal! It was there that the pan learned to joke so funny.
  27. Sergey Egorov_2
    Sergey Egorov_2 23 October 2020 01: 59
    +1
    It's time to end this nonsense. Amer bases on the territory of b. Ukraine is simply physically destroyed. And let the Americans howl further. It won't get any worse. Or a general paragraph!
  28. Vyacheslav34
    Vyacheslav34 23 October 2020 11: 36
    -1
    So wildly I apologize, he will definitely not give money where Russia will take it. Not a single contractor will work for free, and the workers will start to die without wages ... sand and shit instead of cement dissolves with water
  29. Corporal Valera
    Corporal Valera 23 October 2020 18: 24
    +2
    For some reason, I remembered trains with coal, metal, wheat and other products of the USSR, which went to Germany on June 22, 1941 ...


    In exchange for other trains from Germany. With machines and equipment. On which the weapon of Victory was then forged. And the most important thing is the technologies transferred to us! You confused Babel with Bebel
    1. tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
      tovarich-andrey.62goncharov 24 October 2020 17: 19
      +1
      "A real intellectual distinguishes Gogol from Hegel
      Hegel from Bebel, Bebel from Babel, Babel from
      cable, cable from male, and male from (female dog) ". (c)
      + + +
  30. Storm Uesugi
    Storm Uesugi 25 October 2020 03: 09
    +1
    no one bothered to seize at least half of Ukraine peacefully like the Crimea.
    so now it's obvious
    1. Alevil
      Alevil 25 October 2020 06: 57
      -1
      Only one overdue multi-walker decided to curtsey to the West and not do what he should and should have done. Probably, I thought that the West would be very grateful to him and his cooperative "lake". Wrong, as usual.
  31. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 25 October 2020 14: 12
    0
    What the hell is a regional power? Just a colony with no sovereignty.
    1. phair
      phair 26 October 2020 04: 43
      -2
      It’s you a pus-bleeding half-poker ... It’s not for you to judge.
      1. Viktor Sergeev
        Viktor Sergeev 26 October 2020 18: 25
        0
        Oh yes, did we have a dull little hohlik? It is for me to judge, since people like you, idiots, can only bow to the master and lick him .... well, what they get, then they lick. So I give the command: lick.
  32. January
    January 27 October 2020 15: 11
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    Inspired by ...
  33. mmaxx
    mmaxx 28 October 2020 10: 07
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    New Sevastopol can be built if there is money. Another question. Maybe at least someone will show you where?
  34. Berg berg
    Berg berg 28 October 2020 15: 53
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    What a new Sevastopol - IDIO! You have not been able to build a fence on the border for many years!