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"We need to prepare to fight the MiG-31": the US press on the danger of Russian interceptors

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During past wars, American pilots were very annoyed by the MiG-25. It is currently expected that in the event of a military confrontation with Russia, the role of this aircraft will be assumed by the MiG-31 interceptor.


Fighter Jets World (USA) published material on the confrontation between the Soviet and American aviation.

The MiG-25 "Flying Fox" was one of the most stunning fighters of the Cold War

- considers the publication.

According to the American pilots, special tactics were developed to combat them. A sharp climb on the F-15 to 40 thousand feet (12,2 km) was assumed, after which the aircraft was transferred to afterburner mode. When a speed of about Mach 1,7 was reached, a careful pitching of 20-30 degrees [meaning pitching] and centering of the point on the AIM-7 [air-to-air missile] was carried out, then a volley of all four missiles was fired.

However, this approach was not always successful, and the MiG-25 proved to be the most tenacious platform against the F-15, both in the Israeli-Syrian conflicts of the 1980s and during the Gulf War.

- the newspaper writes, pointing out that its worthy successor is the much more advanced MiG-31 interceptor.

After its introduction in 1981, "American air superiority fighters needed more readiness than ever before to meet this high-speed target." However, unlike the Flying Fox, the MiG-31 never took part in hostilities with American fighters. Therefore, to this day it is a very dangerous threat to American fighters - "with an unrivaled range of fire over 300 km using their R-37 missiles."

Given that it was difficult for elite American pilots to intercept the MiG-25, intensive training is needed today to combat the Foxhound [MiG-31 in NATO designation], which has much more capabilities.

- concludes the edition.

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  1. MTN
    MTN 21 October 2020 10: 22
    -9
    I wonder ... if you make a drone out of moment 31, its characteristics change and how much and is it worth doing? Znataki will be grateful for the answer.

    The future will be with drone operators. Tanks without HP, aircraft without a pilot, and so on, and the capabilities of vehicles will be increased.
    1. Livonetc
      Livonetc 21 October 2020 10: 35
      +6
      The future is not with drone operators.
      Behind artificial intelligence on board.
      And flight characteristics and other performance characteristics will remain a priority.
      As for converting any equipment into drones, it is solely a matter of economic feasibility and the most complete use of available resources.
      1. Vasily Zagorulko
        Vasily Zagorulko 21 October 2020 11: 38
        -3
        Quote: Livonetc
        Behind artificial intelligence on board.

        AI is unattainable in the near future
        1. 1976AG
          1976AG 21 October 2020 11: 44
          +5
          Quote: Vasily Zagorulko
          Quote: Livonetc
          Behind artificial intelligence on board.

          AI is unattainable in the near future

          If you look at the principle of operation of the RCC Granit, then AI in the USSR has already been created.
        2. ism_ek
          ism_ek 21 October 2020 12: 09
          -7
          Quote: Vasily Zagorulko
          AI is unattainable in the near future

          We all see videos from Karabakh. The UAV operator hovers the cursor over a moving truck, and then the cursor is fixed on the truck using AI.
    2. Proxima
      Proxima 21 October 2020 10: 38
      +8
      Quote: MTN
      Interesting ... if from moment 31 to make a drone ...

      Maybe for a start try to resume production of this outstanding fighter? In combat units of the Russian Air Force there are 120 aircraft of this type. This is very small. Experts believe that it is almost impossible to revive its production in the current realities. But the Ministry of Defense, together with the State Duma deputies, make a good face with a bad game, they say we don't need this, the MiG-31, compared to the same "dryers", eats a lot of fuel! fool But this is an interceptor, and he must eat a lot of kerosene !!! fellow In short, let the American edition not worry too much ...
      1. Proxima
        Proxima 21 October 2020 10: 56
        +9
        The cons, as I understand it, are molded by urashapkozakidateli! drinks Well, at least tell me, are we all right with this magnificent interceptor? Are we able to produce it?
        1. Rage66
          Rage66 21 October 2020 11: 22
          +4
          Quote: Proxima
          Well, at least tell me, are we all right with this magnificent interceptor? Are we able to produce it?

          I gave you a plus out of principle. But answer the United States can produce Apollo to fly to the moon. Like 50 years ago they could. They are fine? Answer?) hi
          But there was a magnificent spaceship, wasn't it?
          1. Proxima
            Proxima 21 October 2020 12: 18
            +2
            Quote: Rage66
            But answer the US can produce Apollo to fly to the moon.

            The analogy with Apollo is out of place here. Here is another question: does Russia need interceptor fighters? - Yes. They are in the ranks of the Russian Air Force (MiG-31) in sufficient quantity? - no. Whether they can be replaced by such multifunctional fighters as the Su-57, Su-35 and MiG-35 - definitely not! Then why don't we manufacture fighters of this class? This is a question for you, answer if you can! hi
            1. Rage66
              Rage66 21 October 2020 12: 37
              +2
              Quote: Proxima
              definitely not!

              sorry! hi Do you have the Academy of the General Staff behind you?
              Where does so much categorism come from ?????
            2. Ka-52
              Ka-52 21 October 2020 12: 46
              +7
              Su-57, Su-35 and MiG-35

              I will try to suggest one moment that justifies the use of the MiG-31 - the interception speed. For interest, calculate how much the MiG-31 will fly to intercept the target at a speed of 2,5M and the Su-35 at a speed of 1,0M for the same distance, for example 1000 km. Be surprised
              1. Proxima
                Proxima 21 October 2020 13: 28
                +2
                Speed ​​is half the battle (by the way, you showed not the maximum speed of the MiG-31), but also an excellent rate of climb! In general, the MiG-31 is a unique aircraft - 19 world records! fellow
                1. Garris199
                  Garris199 21 October 2020 14: 26
                  +3
                  And not the maximum speed of the SU-35. 2.2 M then he develops. Otherwise, yes, the MiG-31 is a formidable device.
                2. Soho
                  Soho 21 October 2020 15: 35
                  +4
                  Mach 2,5 is cruising. When the fuel is not burnt out due to the afterburner. Otherwise, the fuel will not be enough for a long flight. So everything is logical
                3. Ka-52
                  Ka-52 22 October 2020 08: 04
                  +1
                  Speed ​​is half the battle (by the way, you did not show the maximum speed of the MiG-31)

                  I indicated the speed of the MiG-31 without activating the afterburner. What is now often mistakenly called cruising. But in any case, this is the ceiling of the economy flight mode.
              2. ism_ek
                ism_ek 22 October 2020 08: 00
                0
                At a speed of 2,5M, the range of the mig-31 is only 720 km (((
                1. Ka-52
                  Ka-52 22 October 2020 08: 11
                  +1
                  you are confusing combat radius and practical range. 700 km is the combat radius. Moreover, without PTB
            3. Incvizitor
              Incvizitor 21 October 2020 14: 38
              +1
              in sufficient quantity? - no
              There were about 200 of them and this is a lot, especially considering other fighters, but of course they had to prepare their replacement "yesterday".
              1. Proxima
                Proxima 21 October 2020 15: 11
                +3
                Quote: Incvizitor
                .... There were under 200 of them and that's a lot ...

                200 - that's all - combat-ready, combat-ready, non-ready, in reserve, in storage, etc. and so on
                I'm about interceptors that can theoretically at least be raised into the sky... There are no more than 120 of them and this is not enough.
                1. Incvizitor
                  Incvizitor 22 October 2020 12: 38
                  0
                  In service with the Aerospace Forces, there are now about 130 MiG-31s. Another 130 are in storage

                  130 MiG-31s ​​in storage allow the creation of several more aviation units if funding is available. In the Far East, it is planned to restore the 530th Fighter Regiment in Chuguevka.

                  https://newizv.ru/news/tech/21-05-2018/30-let-ne-vozrast-rossiya-prodolzhaet-modernizirovat-perehvatchik-mig-31
                  It is very doubtful that 130 scrap metal will most likely be restored and brought to at least 150.
        2. mvg
          mvg 21 October 2020 19: 01
          -8
          Are we able to produce it?

          What for???? Nobody needs him. NOBODY bought it, only the Kazakhs inherited a little. We exploit it because we cannot offer anything in return. 500+ pieces were produced, there are 100 boards left.
      2. lucul
        lucul 21 October 2020 16: 01
        0
        Experts believe that it is almost impossible to revive its production in the current realities.

        The Tu-160 was reanimated, but it is more difficult to manufacture than the MiG-31. The MiG has good speed, but the flight range is simply not good, compared to the Su-35. Drying loses only in maximum speed, in everything else either equal or wins.
    3. Ka-52
      Ka-52 21 October 2020 10: 38
      +7
      if you make a drone out of moment 31, its characteristics change and how much

      depends on what. If you dismantle the pilot's life support system, the K-36DM, part of the cockpit equipment associated with aerobatics, then you can get a reserve in weight and volume. Due to this, you can increase the fuel supply, supply additional weapons or install equipment.
      Equipping an aircraft with a remote control system is easy. But first you need to understand why.
      No characteristics of the aircraft itself (acceleration, flight or maneuvering) will change. Perhaps there will be an additional overload reserve.
      But it is worth saying that remotely controlling a low-speed flying sausage like modern UAVs is one thing, a combat fighter-interceptor is another. Systems will be required to take on some of the piloting load. And artificial intelligence, which set fire to the seats of many local experts with its ability to independently fight, has not yet gone beyond the laboratories.
      1. nobody75
        nobody75 21 October 2020 10: 59
        +1
        And artificial intelligence, which set fire to the seats of many local experts with its ability to independently fight, has not yet gone beyond the laboratories.

        Came out a long time ago ... and like a ghost roams Europe. Since the 70s of the last century .... MiG - 31 was created for this very "artificial intelligence", as it can act as a command post and a relay. And in contrast to the 25th 31st - a flock bird ...
        Sincerely
        1. Ka-52
          Ka-52 21 October 2020 11: 12
          +4
          .Mig - 31 under this very "artificial intelligence" and was created,

          there is no artificial intelligence there. There are 155 ACS and PNK25, BTsVM Argon, which allows you to work with the above mentioned automated control system Rubezh. They allow many operations to be performed automatically. But this is far from AI. What did they stuff him into?
          1. nobody75
            nobody75 21 October 2020 11: 54
            +1
            What did they stuff him into?

            In the automated control system, the boundary is in the classifier of goals
            Sincerely
            1. Ka-52
              Ka-52 21 October 2020 12: 12
              +3
              In the automated control system, the boundary is in the classifier of goals

              ACS Rubezh is not on the plane laughing This is a ground complex. He does not remotely control the aircraft. He conducts in automatic mode the interceptor guidance to the target. Why are we walking in circles?
              1. nobody75
                nobody75 21 October 2020 12: 40
                +2
                Excuse me, I know it's not on the plane. All modern systems with AI elements do not stand on military equipment ... Therefore, a starlink-type network is needed, which will connect protected servers with manned and unmanned systems. All AI methods and algorithms in the 70s - 80s of the last century were developed ... There simply were no broadband networks and big data.
                Sincerely
        2. Piramidon
          Piramidon 21 October 2020 11: 37
          0
          Quote: nobody75
          And artificial intelligence, which set fire to the seats of many local experts with its ability to independently fight, has not yet gone beyond the laboratories.

          Came out a long time ago ... and like a ghost roams Europe. Since the 70s of the last century .... MiG - 31 was created for this very "artificial intelligence", as it can act as a command post and a relay. And in contrast to the 25th 31st - a flock bird ...
          Sincerely

          Well, then the ancient autopilot can be considered AI.
          1. set of sets
            set of sets 21 October 2020 11: 53
            +2
            It all depends on what is the AI. If, as a kind of created personality capable of self-learning, write programs for yourself, then this is impossible.
            And if the AI ​​is considered some kind of program capable of performing its functions, then such a shaft.
          2. nobody75
            nobody75 21 October 2020 12: 00
            +1
            Sorry, let's not confuse expert systems, the modern ancient autopilot that "remembers" the runway of each airport and heuristic learning algorithms for solving game theory problems. In my opinion, by AI you understand exactly this ...
            Sincerely
            1. set of sets
              set of sets 21 October 2020 12: 06
              0
              What do you mean by AI?
              1. nobody75
                nobody75 21 October 2020 12: 41
                +1
                Deep machine learning and neural networks in particular.
                Sincerely
            2. Ka-52
              Ka-52 21 October 2020 12: 08
              +4
              Sorry, let's not confuse expert systems, the modern ancient autopilot that "remembers" the runway of each airport and heuristic learning algorithms for solving game theory problems. In my opinion, by AI you understand exactly this ...

              I understand everything is simple. There is an ACS of the aircraft, which ensures its controllability in some modes. For example, it allows you to fend off such dangerous phenomena as stalling, swinging, etc. much faster. But this is an automatic system. She performs only what is written in her program. These are simple systems. There are more complex ones, which are put on such drones as Global Hawks, etc. They are already performing entire flight programs in automatic mode, including multilevel commands. But this, too, cannot be called AI. Tk artificial intelligence (IMHO) must be able to make decisions in situations that are not foreseen in advance.
              1. nobody75
                nobody75 21 October 2020 12: 44
                +1
                Here! Finally! And now the question arises: "Where is the AI ​​itself and the training datasets on which it learns? Inside the aircraft or ...?"
                Best regards
      2. Genry
        Genry 21 October 2020 11: 20
        +1
        Quote: Ka-52
        if you make a drone out of moment 31, its characteristics change and how much

        depends on what.

        Quote: Ka-52
        No characteristics of the aircraft itself (acceleration, flight or maneuvering) will change.

        The maximum speed can be increased.
        It is limited by the thermal strength of the "flashlight", which can be eliminated in the case of a UAV.
        1. Ka-52
          Ka-52 21 October 2020 11: 27
          +1
          The maximum speed can be increased.

          you can't raise it. You can increase the acceleration dynamics, but not the maximum speed.
          It is limited by the thermal strength of the "flashlight", which can be eliminated in the case of a UAV.

          sapphire glasses in a PC will also not stand
          1. Genry
            Genry 21 October 2020 11: 47
            +2
            Quote: Ka-52
            You can increase the acceleration dynamics, but not the maximum speed.

            You judge this by ground vehicles: in some cars, there is a very large power reserve, but there is a limitation on the speed sensor.
            An improvement in dynamics indicates an increase in power - and an increase in power affects speed.

            The MiG-25/31 has a maximum speed margin, which simply cannot be realized due to the destructive heating of some elements.
            Quote: Ka-52
            sapphire glasses in a PC will also not stand

            What did you want to say here?
            1. Ka-52
              Ka-52 21 October 2020 11: 56
              +3
              You judge this by ground vehicles: in some cars, there is a very large power reserve, but there is a limitation on the speed sensor.

              I judge by the technique that I know and which I have flown. I will tell you an interesting detail - more than once engine designers have faced the problem that by increasing power they can get anything - efficiency, acceleration dynamics, etc., but not always speed. On the bench, everything is fine, but in practice - shish with butter. For example, the higher the altitude, the faster the plane flies. Isn't it logical? Vacuum and all that. But he doesn't fly. Why? But because with the air temperature, the efficiency of the engine decreases. Tk the higher the pressure and temperature at the inlet, the higher the velocity of the jet stream. The higher the compressor pressure, the higher the temperature. The higher the temperature in the GB. But here part of the positive work is spent on heating the air and the productivity drops. This is in simple words to make it clear. So it's not that simple
              1. Genry
                Genry 21 October 2020 12: 46
                0
                Quote: Ka-52
                I will tell you an interesting detail - more than once engine designers have faced the problem that by increasing power they can get anything - efficiency, acceleration dynamics, etc., but not always speed.

                For power to be converted into speed, you need to use / direct it correctly. This is determined by the construction mover... If you, in a jet engine, have a low flow rate, then you will never accelerate ...
                Quote: Ka-52
                For example, the higher the altitude, the faster the plane flies. Isn't it logical? Vacuum and all that. But he doesn't fly. Why? But because with the air temperature, the efficiency of the engine decreases. Tk the higher the pressure and temperature at the inlet, the higher the velocity of the jet stream. The higher the compressor pressure, the higher the temperature. The higher the temperature in the GB. But here part of the positive work is spent on heating the air and the productivity drops

                How you got it all mixed up.
                At altitudes of the order of 20 km, you simply waste enormous power on the collection (compression) of oxygen molecules, which you need to operate the turbojet engine (efficiency drops).
                Cold air better feeds the engine with oxygen (higher density), so they put all sorts of intercoolers after turbo-charging in the internal combustion engine.
                The higher the pressure in the turbojet engine, the higher the combustion temperature, the faster the fuel reaction and its return (economy and environmental friendliness of the engine). The compressor compression ratio of modern turbojet engines can reach 60.
                1. Ka-52
                  Ka-52 21 October 2020 12: 55
                  +2
                  How you got it all mixed up.

                  this is not for me, but in gas dynamics. The earth is sometimes said to be round, although it seems flat to some laughing
                  At altitudes of the order of 20 km, you simply spend a lot of power on collecting (compression)

                  there is no such problem. View gas dynamic characteristics for high-altitude flights. You're confusing ICE and TRDF
                  Cold air better feeds the engine with oxygen (higher density), so they put all sorts of intercoolers after turbo-charging in the internal combustion engine.

                  Again, you climb into the analogy with the internal combustion engine. Let me remind you once again that the gas flow rate in an aircraft engine directly depends on the temperature at the compressor inlet. The higher the temperature, the higher the speed. And pressure can sometimes play a negative role here.
                  1. Genry
                    Genry 21 October 2020 13: 38
                    0
                    Quote: Ka-52
                    this is not for me, but in gas dynamics. The earth is sometimes said to be round, although it seems flat to some

                    What are you saying ?!
                    And I thought the Earth was solid.
                    Quote: Ka-52
                    View gas dynamic characteristics for high-altitude flights.

                    A picture with your notes would suit me, otherwise it is not clear what to tell you.
                    Quote: Ka-52
                    You confuse ICE and TRDF

                    I don't know what you call TRDF, but I think that the thermodynamic cycle of fuel combustion differs only in pressure.
                    Quote: Ka-52
                    Let me remind you once again that the gas flow rate in an aircraft engine directly depends on the temperature at the compressor inlet. The higher the temperature, the higher the speed. And pressure can sometimes play a negative role here.

                    The higher the temperature in front of the compressor, the fewer oxygen molecules you supply to the gas generator (GG) (similar to lowering the air pressure and must be compensated for by the compression ratio). This lowers the temperature and pressure in the gas generator, which increases emissions (fumes) and reduces efficiency, the power and speed of the outgoing gas decreases
                    1. Ka-52
                      Ka-52 22 October 2020 05: 23
                      0
                      A picture with your notes would suit me, otherwise it is not clear what to tell you.


                      I don't know what you call TRDF, but I think that the thermodynamic cycle of fuel combustion differs only in pressure.

                      quite a lot of differences. To begin with, in the internal combustion engine, during fuel combustion, expanding gases transfer their energy to mechanical energy, pushing the piston. In TRDF, the principle is somewhat different. In it, the principle of movement depends on the gas flow rate in front of the turbine and after it, in the nozzle. The higher the temperature, the greater this difference. And only a small part of the gas energy is transferred during mechanical work - to the rotation of the compressor
                      The higher the temperature in front of the compressor, the fewer oxygen molecules you will feed into the gas generator (GG)

                      for an aircraft engine, the ram air flow is sufficient for compression on the compressor. Therefore, there is no need to take additional care of its density (up to certain limits, of course). In supersonic flights at low altitudes, pressure, on the contrary, creates problems and the flow has to be slowed down. Tk supersonic flow creates shock waves on the compressor blades.
                      1. Genry
                        Genry 23 October 2020 05: 40
                        +1
                        Quote: Ka-52
                        A picture with your notes would suit me, otherwise it is not clear what to tell you.



                        You, apparently, are not at all guided in the graphic materials, since you provided temperature graphs not in front of the turbojet engine nozzle, but inside the combustion chamber, i.e. between the high pressure compressor (HP) and the HP turbine, which can be seen in the signatures of the coefficients.
                        Quote: Ka-52

                        quite a lot of differences. To begin with, in the internal combustion engine, during fuel combustion, expanding gases transfer their energy to mechanical energy, pushing the piston. In TRDF, the principle is somewhat different. In it, the principle of movement depends on the gas flow rate in front of the turbine and after it, in the nozzle. The higher the temperature, the greater this difference. And only a small part of the gas energy is transferred during mechanical work - to the rotation of the compressor

                        Both in the internal combustion engine and in the turbojet engine, gas pressure is created in the combustion chamber, which rotates the crankshaft or turbine. The flow rate is determined only by the volume of generated gases (proportional to the combusted fuel) passing through the nozzle cross-sectional area. With the same power of the internal combustion engine and turbojet engine, these flows are commensurate (look at the size of the exhaust pipe of the internal combustion engine and turbo-propeller engines). The turbine can utilize both the minimum part of the power (single-circuit) and the maximum (gas turbine).
                        Quote: Ka-52

                        The higher the temperature in front of the compressor, the fewer oxygen molecules you will feed into the gas generator (GG)

                        for an aircraft engine, the ram air flow is sufficient for compression on the compressor. Therefore, there is no need to take additional care of its density (up to certain limits, of course). In supersonic flights at low altitudes, pressure, on the contrary, creates problems and the flow has to be slowed down. Tk supersonic flow creates shock waves on the compressor blades.


                        Do you always write off-topic answers? Moreover, they are not faithful ...
                      2. Ka-52
                        Ka-52 23 October 2020 06: 39
                        0
                        Both in the internal combustion engine and in the turbojet engine, gas pressure is created in the combustion chamber, which rotates the crankshaft or turbine.

                        in a turbine, a minimum of the energy of the working fluid is consumed per turbine (since the turbine is needed only to rotate the compressor and for nothing else). In the internal combustion engine - the maximum, maybe all the energy goes to pushing the piston in the cylinder. What's so hard to understand? To clarify consciousness, look at at least what kind of work does the working fluid in the engines of supersonic fighters. I have a feeling that you believe he is spinning the propellers there laughing
                        Do you always write off-topic answers? Moreover, they are not faithful ...

                        not correct only from your point of view. What's so difficult to understand. Air is compressed by a compressor. Therefore, up to certain heights, the compressor has enough incoming flow for compression, regardless of whether it is cold or warm. To say that the difference between ρ cold and ρ hot air is essential for a compressor in atmospheric flights is nonsense
                      3. Genry
                        Genry 23 October 2020 11: 14
                        -1
                        Quote: Ka-52
                        in a turbine, a minimum of the energy of the working fluid is consumed per turbine (since the turbine is needed only to rotate the compressor and for nothing else).

                        You primitively think that single-circuit motors are still used.
                        The MiG-31 has a double-circuit - i.e. after the HP turbine there is an LP turbine (low ...), which operates on the LP compressor and a FAN, which gives additional thrust.
                        .
                        Of course, here, as for the engine of a supersonic aircraft, there is no complete utilization of power by the turbines, but it is already clear that with a decrease in the air density, the thrust will drop (the static ceiling is about 20 km), both due to the deterioration of the fan efficiency and the lack of oxygen.
                        Quote: Ka-52
                        To say that the difference between ρ cold and ρ hot air is significant for a compressor during atmospheric flights is nonsense

                        Nonsense is running around you in flocks.
                        Takeoff conditions (maximum power) are clearly limited by air density. Those. at a high-altitude airfield, in hot weather, you may need a longer acceleration or even a takeoff ban due to lack of a runway will occur. If you do not know this, then you are generally zero, especially since you sign the name of the helicopter, and they are very sensitive to air temperature due to a sharp drop in engine power and propeller efficiency.
                      4. Ka-52
                        Ka-52 23 October 2020 11: 21
                        +1
                        which works on the LP compressor and the FAN, which gives additional thrust.

                        look at what% of the specific thrust on the NW the fan creates and no longer write your "insights".
                        Those. at a high-altitude airfield, in hot weather, you may need a longer acceleration or a take-off ban may occur due to lack of a runway.

                        masterpiece! laughing in hot weather, takeoff is complicated by the fact that the air density is lower and this reduces lift force, Mr. Flight Expert! Even 1st year cadets know this. Maybe you want to argue more about aerodynamics? It will be interesting for me to read about your "discoveries" in this section of science
                        sign with the name of the helicopter

                        I had to fly strategists, and the name of the helicopter has nothing to do with it. It's not your mind
                      5. Genry
                        Genry 23 October 2020 11: 32
                        0
                        Quote: Ka-52
                        look at what% specific thrust the fan creates and no longer write your "insights".

                        The bypass ratio shows how many times the fan is more powerful than the hot part. The MiG-31 has about 2 bypass. Those. 66% fan thrust and 33% jet thrust. And you didn't even know about it ...
                        Quote: Ka-52
                        masterpiece! laughing in hot weather, takeoff is complicated by the fact that the air density is lower and this reduces lift, Mr. Flight Expert! Even 1st year cadets know this.

                        Aerodynamics work the same on airplane wings and engine compressors.
                        And you obviously did not study the first year anywhere.
                      6. Ka-52
                        Ka-52 23 October 2020 11: 59
                        +1
                        The bypass ratio shows how many times the fan is more powerful than the hot part. The MiG-31 has about 2 bypass. Those. 66% fan thrust and 33% jet thrust. And you didn't even know about it ..

                        turned on the fool? no supersonic fighter has a bypass ratio greater than 0,5-0,6
                        Aerodynamics works the same on airplane wings and engine compressors

                        the rules of the take-off procedure are regulated by the flight operations manual, and not by the balabonies of any sofa expert. They clearly describe at what MU and at what take-off speed to take off. Nonsense about lack of air in engines tell the same as you
                      7. Genry
                        Genry 23 October 2020 13: 45
                        0
                        Quote: Ka-52
                        turned on the fool?

                        Are you mad already?
                        Quote: Ka-52
                        no supersonic fighter has a bypass ratio greater than 0,5-0,6

                        The 31st has its own engine scheme with the combination of flows in the afterburner.
                        Quote: Ka-52
                        the rules of the take-off procedure are regulated by the flight operation manual, and not the balabonies of any sofa expert.

                        You will first learn to write with a capital letter, and then you will have the right to suspect others of gibberish.
                        And if you started about the rules - then go ahead: give their points and links to the source. Otherwise, you are a specific balabol.
                        Quote: Ka-52
                        Nonsense about lack of air in engines tell the same as you

                        Why can't planes fly at high altitudes? Why are there static and dynamic ceilings?
                        Well, at least fill up with kerosene, but you will not get an increase in power there, without sufficient oxygen.
                      8. Ka-52
                        Ka-52 26 October 2020 05: 36
                        +1
                        Are you mad already?

                        chatterboxes usually enrage, it's true. Can't help it request
                        The 31st has its own engine scheme with the combination of flows in the afterburner.

                        its what it is. I think you read where the phrase, but as the saying goes, "I hear a ringing, but I don't know where he is." Your level of competence is clear laughing In fact, just before the MiG31, the scheme of a by-pass engine and the principle of mixing the flows of the external and internal circuits were not used anywhere. After that, it began to be widely used. The entire line of Salutov's Als follows the same pattern.
                        You will first learn to write with a capital letter, and then you will have the right to suspect others of gibberish.

                        as soon as your opponent runs out of arguments, he begins to pay attention to your spelling laughing
                        And if you started about the rules - then go ahead: give their points and links to the source. Otherwise, you are a specific balabol.

                        take it in hand and read. I indicated the source. It is probably easier to say "you are a balobol" than to pull your finger out of your nose and look for this instruction.
                        Why can't planes fly at high altitudes? Why are there static and dynamic ceilings?

                        we were not talking about "high heights" and certainly not about the ceiling. I specifically wrote the phrase "the higher the height, the ....". For atmospheric flights, people familiar with aviation usually take a corridor between 3 and 000 meters. And you foolishly began to pull the owl on the globe, entertaining me with your wrung out arguments about "ρ of cold air is good, and ρ of warm air is bad." laughing
                      9. Genry
                        Genry 26 October 2020 10: 33
                        -1
                        Quote: Ka-52
                        chatterboxes usually enrage, it's true. Can't help it

                        Go to the vet .... lol There, hollow-throats are well treated.
                        Quote: Ka-52
                        Your level of competence is clear laughing In fact, just before the MiG31, the two-circuit engine scheme and the principle of mixing the flows of the external and internal circuits were not used anywhere.

                        Did you not use bypass?

                        About the degree of bypass D-30 ...

                        You can check it at http://www.npo-saturn.ru/?sat=115
                        Engine models differ greatly in piping, but the base (gas generator) is common.
                        Quote: Ka-52
                        as soon as your opponent runs out of arguments, he begins to pay attention to your spelling

                        I don't pay attention to minor mistakes .... But your style is already a characteristic of unfinished business. fool
                        Quote: Ka-52
                        we were not talking about "high heights" and certainly not about the ceiling.

                        There is no need to "get off topic." We talked about the relationship between air density and engine power.
                        The static and dynamic ceilings clearly show where the reduction in lift and engine power occurs.
                        On a dynamic ceiling (higher altitude) due to the acceleration of the aircraft (at altitudes well below the static ceiling), you can fly normally until you lose inertia / speed. Then you will fall on the static ceiling, and you will be content with the low speed (and, accordingly, low wing lift) that the oxygen-hungry engine will give you.
                        Your reaction to dynamic / static ... immediately showed your knowledge ...

                        Quote: Ka-52
                        And you foolishly began to pull the owl onto the globe, entertaining me with your wrung out arguments about “ρ of cold air is good, and ρ of warm air is bad”.

                        You obviously pulled yourself ...
                      10. Ka-52
                        Ka-52 26 October 2020 10: 52
                        +1
                        About the degree of bypass D-30 ...

                        d30 - civil aircraft engine. Penny connoisseur, you don't even know the point! D30 - an aircraft engine installed on passenger airliners! We're talking about military supersonic fighters! The MiG25 was equipped with a single-circuit R15B-300! On the Su-9 - single-circuit Al-7F, on the MiG-21 - single-circuit R-11-300! Where are you still going to comment with a pig's snout? Sit on your couch, study Dunno. From it, from the couch and fly to your "dynamic ceiling". You can see it somewhere in the restroom area laughing
                        Everything, tired of arguing with an idiot, all the best hi .
                        ps And your photo with a saucepan on your head turned out well - you can't take away your photogenicity.
                      11. Genry
                        Genry 26 October 2020 11: 47
                        0
                        Quote: Ka-52
                        d30 - civil aircraft engine. Penny connoisseur, you don't even know the point! D30 - an aircraft engine installed on passenger airliners!

                        And which civilian was put on D-30F6 ?? laughing
                        Quote: Ka-52
                        The MiG25 was equipped with a single-circuit R15B-300!

                        I spoke specifically about the Mi-31, but you already wanted to "move out" at 25. You wag like a blonde.
                        Quote: Ka-52
                        Sit on your couch, study Dunno. From it, from the couch and fly to your "dynamic ceiling". You can see it somewhere in the restroom area
                        Everything, tired of arguing with an idiot, all the best hi.

                        I take your rudeness philosophically:


                        Quote: Ka-52
                        ps And your photo with a saucepan on your head turned out well - you can't take away your photogenicity.

                        You are clearly out of touch with reality. How are you treated? It seems that medical cannabis does not give such an effect.
                      12. Ka-52
                        Ka-52 26 October 2020 12: 02
                        +1
                        Someone who drove his head first writes:
                        Genry 23 October 2020 11:32
                        The MiG-31 has about 2 bypass. Those. 66% fan thrust and 33% jet thrust.

                        I answer him:
                        no supersonic fighter has a bypass ratio greater than 0,5-0,6

                        What is this "expert" for, realizing that he was screwed up with a degree of bypass, but continues to drive nonsense
                        The 31st has its own engine scheme with the combination of flows in the afterburner.

                        what "own" this miracle does not understand well, just in Wikipedia they probably did not give an answer, but they have no brains of their own. So the next opus is born:
                        About the degree of bypass D-30 ...


                        but does not provide data military D30F6 (after all, it is logical, after all, the MiG31 is being discussed), and his civil progenitor D30, put on transport and passenger airliners. When this ram is told about his inconsistency, he turns on the fool and writes:
                        Genry Today, 11:47
                        And on what civilian was the D-30F6 installed ???

                        In short, the couch promoter has completely lost touch with reality and writes something about his own, what comes to his mind. Without any connection with the subject of discussion, with facts, with a sequence of judgments. Not understanding the difference between the thrust and efficiency of engines for transport aviation and the speed characteristics of engines of military aviation, the ekperd is slipping into stupid trolling at the level of snotty schoolboys. This is the current level of VO commentators negative
                      13. Genry
                        Genry 26 October 2020 12: 38
                        0
                        Quote: Ka-52
                        In short, the couch promoter has completely lost touch with reality and writes something about his own, what comes to his mind.

                        Andryusha, child ... Who are you talking to?
                        Hey! I'm here!
                        Are you delusional already? Has your roof finally gone?



                        Quote: Ka-52
                        but he cites data not of the military D30F6 (after all, it is logical, after all, the MiG31 is being discussed), but of its civil progenitor D30

                        I only give information that is already on the Internet.
                        D30F6 has a common basic design and dimensions of iron with other engines of the D30 family. The only difference is in the add-on units (pneumatics, hydraulics, oil, control ...) and add-on modules (afterburner ...).
                      14. Ka-52
                        Ka-52 26 October 2020 13: 15
                        +1
                        I only give information that is already on the Internet.
                        D30F6 has a common basic design and dimensions of iron with other engines of the D30 family

                        this stupid miracle sings about the overall dimension of the two engines (D-30KP and D30F6), never once saw either one or the other. Although only in the size of the dividing block, they differ like an elephant and a pug (this is the reason for the difference in the degree of bypass at 4 (!!!!!!!) times). Ehsperd tyrnetovsky, it's not that you are somewhere ... wassat wassat fool

                      15. Genry
                        Genry 27 October 2020 20: 51
                        0
                        Quote: Ka-52
                        only in the size of the dividing block do they differ like an elephant and a pug (this is the reason for the difference in the degree of bypass by 4 (!!!!!!!) times).

                        If you are such a connoisseur, then where are the pictures with the differences, indicating the size and calculating the cross-sectional areas of the contours?
                        Or like Pug, just .....?
    4. Soho
      Soho 23 October 2020 12: 09
      0
      The bypass ratio shows how many times the fan is more powerful than the hot part. The MiG-31 has about 2 bypass. Those. 66% fan thrust and 33% jet thrust. And you didn't even know about it ...

      You would first learn to understand sho there copying from Wikipedia. The bypass ratio initially works for economy, not acceleration. Therefore, it is high for engines for passenger and cargo aircraft and low for supersonic aircraft. At supersonic, the fan speed will not give practically any speed increase. Learn materiel and do not confuse "a" with "be")))
    5. Genry
      Genry 23 October 2020 13: 17
      0
      Quote: Soho
      The bypass ratio initially works for economy, not acceleration.

      Where did you see your "acceleration" in me?
      The efficiency of the military is in second place after combat performance.
      Quote: Genry
      At supersonic, the fan speed will not give practically any speed increase.

      Then yes, In your, at supersonic airplanes will crash, because the aerodynamics of the wings stops working.
    6. Soho
      Soho 23 October 2020 13: 24
      0
      Couple you will decide then what to write about. Somewhere at the beginning of your argument with ka52 you wrote about the desire to increase the speed of the moment. Or have you changed your shoes already? So be warned - not everyone is as capable of thinking about everything as you are wink
    7. Soho
      Soho 23 October 2020 13: 34
      0
      Are you serious or are you kidding about the fan and supersonic?
    8. Genry
      Genry 26 October 2020 10: 47
      0
      Quote: Soho
      Are you serious or are you kidding about the fan and supersonic?

      Have you finished school yet? What level of education?

      Supersonic sound, with sufficient air pressure, does not cancel the fan operation. Maybe you meant vacuum?
    9. Soho
      Soho 26 October 2020 13: 45
      -1
      What is your puppy business before my education? You, kukarek, give at least one example of a supersonic aircraft with a turbojet engine, and only then mumble about education
    10. Genry
      Genry 27 October 2020 19: 48
      0
      Quote: Soho
      give at least one example of a supersonic aircraft with a turbojet engine

      For the blind and stupid, you can tell, for example: the largest combat aircraft in Russia.
      And don't say that you can't see him point blank.
    11. Soho
      Soho 29 October 2020 07: 57
      -2
      If you mean Su34, then the degree of bypass al31f is 0,571. Checkmate, waist-deep wooden Buratino lol write ischo, I'll always be glad to dunk you with a murl in your obosrams good
    12. Genry
      Genry 29 October 2020 13: 32
      0
      Quote: Soho
      If you mean Su34, then the degree of bypass al31f is 0,571.

      Is the Su-34 the biggest ... ???
      I was referring to the NK-32 (Tu-160) engine and there is a two-kontornost 1,4.
      And you stupidly argued that there are no supersonic double-circuit (turbojet engines) ... After all, you still think at the level of the MiG-15 ... MiG-23 (first issues) ...
      Quote: Soho
      Checkmate, waist-deep wooden Buratino

      Don't try to convince me that you know how to play chess - your interest is playing with dolls.
      Quote: Soho
      write ischo, I'll always be glad to dunk you with a murl in your obosrams

      What is your illiterate and boorish communication style. You can neither clearly formulate the question, nor give an appropriate answer.
    13. Soho
      Soho 1 November 2020 19: 10
      -1
      What are you so dumb? We are talking about fighter aircraft, and you keep pestering yourself to discuss either transport or heavy strategic bombers. You still have a Concorde here. How hard it is with you downs to communicate crying fool
    14. Genry
      Genry 1 November 2020 21: 59
      0
      Quote: Soho
      What are you so dumb?

      Interesting, you have dementia from alcoholism or drug addiction. True, there are still accidents with brain trauma.
      Quote: Soho
      We are talking about fighter aircraft, and you keep pestering yourself to discuss either transport or heavy strategic bombers.

      The diagnosis above is confirmed. Then you attribute some acceleration to me. And then the transport workers got out from somewhere ...
      And what is "heavy strategic bombers "- after all, there are only" strategic ... "(confused with transport aircraft).
      And where the rules for the boundaries of the discussion were established. You forgot about them too.

      I stick to the topic of engines for supersonic aviation and I don't care where a fighter, bomber or business jet is - they fundamentally differ only in their optimization for their tasks: maneuverability, carrying capacity or comfort. And their engine power is within the same order (RD-33: 9000kgs, .... NK-32: 25000kgs).
      Quote: Soho
      You still screw Concorde here. How hard it is with you downs to communicate

      According to your stingy logic, Concorde does not belong to supersonic aircraft?
      Yes he cruising mode, plugs almost all "supersonic" aircraft. Who else can fly at 2M speed and without afterburner ???
  2. Genry
    Genry 23 October 2020 11: 39
    -1
    Quote: Ka-52
    I had to fly strategists

    Who just flew on ...
  • nobody75
    nobody75 21 October 2020 12: 03
    0
    Cardinally up to 4M - do not increase ... the aerodynamic scheme will not allow ... It's not a wave ... And heating ... The whole hull is heated, not just the cockpit canopy ... Is there any point in increasing the speed?
    Sincerely
    1. Genry
      Genry 21 October 2020 12: 53
      +2
      Quote: nobody75
      Cardinally to 4M - do not increase ... the aerodynamic scheme will not allow ... It's not a wave ...

      Why do we need a wave flight? How do you imagine using it with its oscillating heading and altitude reference?
      Quote: nobody75
      The whole hull is heated, not just the canopy ..

      The stainless steel body is much more heat-resistant than glass and polycarbonate products.
      Quote: nobody75
      Does it make sense to increase the speed?

      They were surprised!
      Speed ​​is an advantage that makes it possible to hit a larger number of comparable targets.
  • Rage66
    Rage66 21 October 2020 11: 25
    -1
    Quote: Ka-52
    And artificial intelligence, which set fire to the seats of many local experts with its ability to independently fight, has not yet gone beyond the laboratories.

    Do you know that for sure?
    1. Ka-52
      Ka-52 21 October 2020 11: 29
      +4
      Do you know that for sure?

      Yes
      1. Rage66
        Rage66 21 October 2020 11: 35
        0
        Quote: Ka-52
        Yes

        But what about the flight and landing of Buran 30 years ago?
        May I ask?
        1. Ka-52
          Ka-52 21 October 2020 11: 39
          +4
          But what about the flight and landing of Buran 30 years ago?
          May I ask?

          so what? ILS was tested on civil aircraft back in the bearded 60s. There is nothing unusual about it. This is an automatic system. I would not call it artificial intelligence. This is the magazine painted for hype wink
          1. Rage66
            Rage66 21 October 2020 12: 09
            0
            Quote: Ka-52
            I would not call it artificial intelligence. This is the magazine painted for hype

            Let the journalists leave everything on their conscience.
            ILS could have been in the 60s, but the Shuttle landed with people, and Buran was in fully automatic mode.
            And IMHO this is a piece of AI. hi
            And now he is an order of magnitude stronger. AI mean.
            Some kind of AC US forse fought against AI for three days and three nights and lost all the battles. Have you read about this? A hackneyed topic. What else you need? Android in the pilot's seat?
            1. Ka-52
              Ka-52 21 October 2020 12: 20
              +3
              And IMHO this is a piece of AI. hi
              And now he is an order of magnitude stronger. AI mean.

              IMHO if you simplify everything, then the automatic system performs an action when an event occurs. An artificial brain or AI must calculate the options for the occurrence of events or results in order to choose the optimal one for making a decision. And here the higher the speed, the more realistic the assessment of the event or result. And here the simplest automatic systems, which we wrote about above and did not stand nearby.
  • Kapkan
    Kapkan 21 October 2020 13: 29
    0
    And in general, I think that "artificial intelligence" should be implemented "on an external sling" so to speak. And every aircraft should have the ability to manually control, be it at least the 5th generation, at least the 20th ...
  • Vita vko
    Vita vko 21 October 2020 10: 50
    +4
    Quote: MTN
    Interesting ... if from moment 31 to make a drone

    He's actually a drone anyway. Under the control of the Rubezh automated control system, the pilot on board is only needed to press the "start" button. The crew fully operates only in loitering areas during autonomous search where there is no ground infrastructure of the aircraft guidance points. Unfortunately, there are still a lot of such areas.
    On the other hand, the MiG-31 is one of the most expensive aircraft in terms of operating costs. And in 5-10 years, most of the aircraft will reach their maximum service life.
    1. Ka-52
      Ka-52 21 October 2020 11: 01
      +2
      He's actually a drone anyway. Under the control of the Rubezh automated control system, the pilot on board is only needed to press the "start" button.

      come on No. ACS Rubezh allows you to quickly generalize information on the situation in the air and automatically direct groups of interceptors to targets, while distributing them according to the degree of priority. It does not engage in any control (in remote mode)
      1. nobody75
        nobody75 21 October 2020 12: 05
        0
        And when assigning goals, AI methods are not used?
        Sincerely
      2. Vita vko
        Vita vko 21 October 2020 12: 09
        +2
        Quote: Ka-52
        It does not engage in any control (in remote mode)

        I just wrote the automated control system "Rubezh" for non-specialists. If you have been involved in the operation or development of this equipment, then you should know that, depending on the control level, there are Rubezh-1,2 and 3. There are also options for their upgrades. Moreover, one of the rather old options for modernizing the Rubezh provided for the installation of SPT directly from the MiG-31B board, so the RDZ flight director technically became the leading link when aiming, he could independently distribute ammunition between targets, and even give a launch command.
        1. Ka-52
          Ka-52 21 October 2020 12: 40
          +2
          control level there is Rubezh-1,2 and 3

          they are distinguished by the number of PNs. EMNIP MiG31 on-board equipment did not provide for the possibility of opening fire on command from the RP in any of the systems - 5X34, 70N6 or 50S6
    2. Rage66
      Rage66 21 October 2020 11: 28
      +1
      Quote: Vita VKO
      And in 5-10 years, most of the aircraft will reach their maximum service life.

      How, then, are they still preserved in combat units?
  • nikolai55soot
    nikolai55soot 21 October 2020 17: 56
    0
    The MiG-31 BM can be a Command Post and control a flight (replace AWACS) and may well be an unmanned aircraft (kamkaze) and be controlled by another MiG-31BM or ....
  • neri73-r
    neri73-r 21 October 2020 10: 28
    +1
    Get ready for everything, scoundrels of a global scale, I hope our military have not forgotten how to amaze the whole world!
  • Old Bolshevik
    Old Bolshevik 21 October 2020 10: 29
    -4
    The United States is not at all afraid of the Russian army and the weapons of the Russian Federation, no matter what types of weapons they have:
    These are all toys for stupid children who do not understand what global capitalism is, how it works.
    The United States, and so, without any war, since 1991 for 30 years now has owned the government and the entire economy of the Russian Federation through the dollar, the aluminum industry of the Russian Federation, PJSC Sberbank of the Russian Federation, Gazprom universities of the USA and England of the native elite of the Russian Federation. The main guarantee that the Russian Federation will never inflict any blow on the West in any case is the wives, children, villas of the leadership of the Russian Federation, ministers of the Russian Federation, deputies of the Russian Federation, officials of the Russian Federation in the countries of the West.
    1. Gunther
      Gunther 21 October 2020 10: 45
      +5
      Old Bolshevik, everything is correctly said, but global capitalism is so arranged that it makes money on everything, including fueling fear of the "Russian threat" hi
      or before the horrible pocketmanovirus.
    2. evgen1221
      evgen1221 21 October 2020 10: 46
      +5
      I will say more, there are great fears that as soon as the generation of 77-80 years of birth will retire, there will be no one to work in factories in general in the country. Which of the younger will agree to work for 12 hours on their feet, when in the offices of 8 hours nothing is paid for much more profitable a good package comes out.
      1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 21 October 2020 11: 20
        -4
        Quote: evgen1221
        I will say more, there are great fears that as soon as the generation of 77-80 years of birth will retire, there will be no one to work in factories in the country.

        of course. Total robotization of production. In five years, 500 professions will disappear. So you will tell your grandchildren about "heroes of labor of 77-80 years of birth who stood at the machine for 12 hours".
        1. lucul
          lucul 21 October 2020 15: 45
          -1
          of course. Total robotization of production.

          Don't write nonsense. A robot will never completely replace a human. For the simple reason that the robot will not buy products manufactured by enterprises. And if the robot doesn't buy, then who will buy something if robots work everywhere? Who will earn and spend wages to keep the economy running? ))))
          1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 21 October 2020 18: 54
            0
            [quote = lucul] the robot will not buy products, [/ quote]
            Lord, what's this got to do with it? It's about production automation, dear. You are writing about hard workers who stand for 12 hours at the machine, like, and not in line in the 'five'.
            [quote = lucul] [quote] Who will earn and spend the salary to keep the economy running? )))) [/ quote]
            And this is a question of questions of the post-industrial society. And the solution, of course, will come from China, which was the first to hit this dead end.
        2. Vinnibuh
          Vinnibuh 22 October 2020 08: 03
          0
          Robatization? Yes, you are kidding me. He worked for almost a year as an electrician at the stadium. I am the youngest (40).
      2. APASUS
        APASUS 21 October 2020 11: 21
        +2
        Quote: evgen1221
        I will say more, there are great fears that as soon as the generation of 77-80 years of birth will retire, there will be no one to work in factories in general in the country. Which of the younger will agree to work for 12 hours on their feet, when in the offices of 8 hours nothing is paid for much more profitable a good package comes out.

        It's okay to waste money, there will always be. Generation 90-2000 did not live in the USSR, they have a different psychology brought up on Western values. Look at the Belarusian events, it is the young people who demand a change of power. They will sell the country as not to do figs, for new iPhones, for cookies and promises. This example of Ukraine is very indicative, they drove the country into direct slavery
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 21 October 2020 11: 42
          0
          Quote: APASUS
          Look at the Belarusian events, it is the young people who demand a change of power. They will sell the country as not to do figs, for new iPhones, for cookies and promises. This example of Ukraine is very indicative, they drove the country into direct slavery

          A bizarre combination of the Aviator's Anthem "We were born to make a fairy tale come true ..." with a fairy tale about Ivanushka the fool who was waiting for happiness on the stove ... lol
          Ignorance of history turns the minds of young people who want to wake up under "developed" capitalism into an explosive mixture. The problem is shifting into the mainstream of punitive medicine. The disaster medicine of a distorted reality in the minds of Tikhanovskaya's supporters and others like her ...
          1. APASUS
            APASUS 21 October 2020 11: 59
            +2
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            Ignorance of History, transforms the minds of young people who want to wake up with developed capitalism,

            Here it is. It was only necessary to sign an agreement for joining and here's a euro pension and a euro salary. And the fact that this is first of all the euro economy, and then salaries, they are somehow silent.
            We were already a democracy, and our leaders (Yeltsin and Gorbachev) just sucked in with Clinton, and as a result, we were thrown like suckers, under the guise of building democracy !!!
            1. lucul
              lucul 21 October 2020 15: 53
              0
              All you had to do was sign an agreement for joining and here's a euro pension and a euro salary. And the fact that it is first of all the euro economy, and then salaries, are somehow silent. And the stupid youth is being led to all these fables!

              And this happens because the authority of adults has been destroyed, and the minds of adolescents are subordinated to the will from the outside, in fact, this is a takeover of control.
              Take the Caucasus or the Islamic world - there the authority of adults is high, and young people still listen to their elders.
              We don't have it anymore - but it all started, still with the pioneers, in the 1920s. When the authority of the older generation was completely destroyed - they say they do not understand how to build communism, and then we pioneers know how to do it, under the strict leadership of the Bolshevik Party, yeah ...
              And this was done for one reason - to stop the uprisings in the bud, capturing the minds of young people and directing them in the right direction.
    3. Proxima
      Proxima 21 October 2020 10: 47
      +3
      Quote: Old Bolshevik
      ... PJSC Sberbank of the Russian Federation, Gazprom of the Russian Federation - everything is in the Russian Federation under the control of the United States and England ...

      And the fact that they are blocking Nord Stream-2 - it turns out they are shooting themselves in the leg? what
    4. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 21 October 2020 10: 49
      +1
      This is true for the past 20 years. Now the US itself is destroying this (a good system for them). The US is beginning to use sanctions to prevent our organizations and people from storing and investing (honest or not honest) money in Western banks and organizations. Even in Switzerland. And make it difficult for dollar transactions. This forces our elites to look for another place to store them.
      I think that something from a number of "toll roads in the Russian Federation" or "Magnet" or "X5 retail". They enter into a private partnership with Government agencies (Banks) and pump money. And under this they lobbied the introduction of laws that allow you to save investments and rent from it. And I will say more, the rates have now dropped in foreign currency to "0" ..... and this topic gives a very good% on the invested funds. And the "road" will not go bankrupt and will not fall under sanctions.
    5. nobody75
      nobody75 21 October 2020 11: 03
      +2
      These are all toys for stupid children who do not understand what global capitalism is, how it works.
      The United States, and so, without any war, since 1991 for 30 years now has owned the government and the entire economy of the Russian Federation through the dollar, the aluminum industry of the Russian Federation, PJSC Sberbank of the Russian Federation, Gazprom universities of the USA and England of the native elite of the Russian Federation.

      Please read the biography of Chubais ... Who are his parents? Now ... the local order on Old Arbat did much more for the collapse of the USSR than the late Zbigniew ...
      Sincerely
    6. Rage66
      Rage66 21 October 2020 11: 33
      -2
      Quote: Old Bolshevik
      by means of the dollar, the aluminum industry of the Russian Federation, PJSC Sberbank of the Russian Federation, Gazprom of the Russian Federation - everything is under the control of the United States and England

      You might think that in the USSR you were in charge of all this.)
      Those who led the USSR, including the holy nickname on your avatar, gave everything to the bourgeoisie.
      Some descendants of Stalin, Khrushchev, settled in the United States. Not to mention Vaurdalak and a Zionist by and large Trotsky.
    7. Local from the Volga
      Local from the Volga 21 October 2020 21: 20
      0
      not tired of carrying idiocy to the masses?
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 21 October 2020 10: 42
    0
    It is necessary to wait 10 years and they, at best, will be converted into a "Dagger", and this is just a carrier without a radar and other pribluds. And the Su35S has already taken over the Heavy missiles, and after the modernization the Su30SM will also carry it.
  • evgen1221
    evgen1221 21 October 2020 10: 42
    +2
    This is not a publication (from which the article was copied and pasted here), but some kind of misunderstanding (in our SA it was called a war leaflet or wall newspaper propaganda). Well, in fact, it's not even funny. They want to say that they are still not ready to fight a 40-year-old aircraft, with not the most advanced radar (aiming an interceptor at a target from the ground), having such an aircraft (you), they are still not ready ??? ? It seems to me alone that someone is powdering the brains of someone?
  • 7,62h54
    7,62h54 21 October 2020 10: 44
    -1
    They are preparing to fight an aircraft released 30 years ago. And what did you do before?
    1. Ka-52
      Ka-52 21 October 2020 10: 48
      +7
      They are preparing to fight an aircraft released 30 years ago. And what did you do before?

      for some reason, Americans are of little interest in the opinion of experts from the couch to the VO and they often use technology developed far in the last century laughing you would enlighten them that they are suckers too laughing
      1. 7,62h54
        7,62h54 21 October 2020 11: 57
        -1
        You have a sofa, so educate. I don't have that luxury.
  • Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
    Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 21 October 2020 10: 52
    -1
    During the Vietnam War, American pilots were very annoyed by the MiG-25


    something new. Well, Egypt, Syria, Iraq .... Saddam buried his 25s in the sand - this is known.
    And about the 25th in Vietnam did not hear.
  • alipes
    alipes 21 October 2020 10: 57
    +2
    Author, the translation is not readable by Google at all. MiG-25 in Vietnam nor could he create problems. Don't write about aviation, you weren't close there.
  • novel66
    novel66 21 October 2020 10: 58
    +1
    then a volley of all four missiles was fired.

    they do not shoot from rockets, more correctly "a salvo of four rockets"
    1. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 21 October 2020 11: 56
      0
      Quote: novel xnumx
      then a volley of all four missiles was fired.

      they do not shoot from rockets, more correctly "a salvo of four rockets"

      I heard about an incident in the 80s at a training ground in Turkmenistan - a cadet fired a volley with two missiles at a flying target and the engine on the MiG-23 stalled from the exhaust gases of the missiles.
      I don't know if it's true or not. Aviation technicians at the airfield in the smoking room told. And aviation technicians - they are SUCH aviation technicians ... fellow The guys are good, but Baron Munchausen, next to our "crickets" - the aircraft technicians is just a kid without imagination.
      Honey, sorry for the sloppy handwriting. My hand is shaking - I am writing on the wing of a flying plane ...
      laughing
      1. novel66
        novel66 21 October 2020 12: 52
        +3
        well, surging is a well-known phenomenon, if it arose from a cannon, then from launching missiles, under certain conditions, it can also be ... as I told naive women about the stealth plane and the danger of servicing them at the airfield
        1. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 21 October 2020 13: 09
          +4
          Quote: novel xnumx
          as I told naive women about the stealth plane and the dangers of servicing them at the airport

          I have a friend, a tanker, who served as a tank mechanic in the GSVG, not so long ago, in a very drunk state, he told girls of 1995-2000 production about how he took Berlin on a tank and fired at the Reichstag with direct fire. laughing
          Well, at least one school history textbook remembered - they sat, listened with open mouths ...
          1. novel66
            novel66 21 October 2020 13: 12
            +4
            and what a wonderful story there was about turning the Tu-95 propellers on command "from the screw" by 4 technicians at the same time, to facilitate the start of the turbine
            1. Zoldat_A
              Zoldat_A 21 October 2020 13: 28
              0
              Quote: novel xnumx
              what a great story it was

              In some movie from my childhood I remember a scene when on a ship the old servicemen sent a salabon with a hacksaw to saw off the anchor's paw with a hacksaw, and he cut it off with a gas cutter.
              Over the years, I myself thought about the veracity of this story - is the anchor steel or cast iron? I am far from the sea both in service and in life, therefore I do not know. But if it is cast iron, I would try to cut the salabon with propane or MAF ... laughing
  • AlexVas44
    AlexVas44 21 October 2020 11: 03
    -1
    Quote: Old Bolshevik
    "... The Russian Federation will never strike any blow at the West in any case - these are wives, children, villas of the leadership of the Russian Federation, ministers of the Russian Federation, deputies of the Russian Federation, officials of the Russian Federation in Western countries."

    Brzezinski, an ardent anti-Soviet and Russophobe, now, of course, does not care, but could he really not understand that these wives and villas save them, the Western countries, only from the first blow from the Russian Federation, but from the reciprocal ... will not have time to leave, and the villas will not be sold ...
  • Genry
    Genry 21 October 2020 11: 25
    +3
    During the Vietnam War, American pilots were very annoyed by the MiG-25.

    The author is a two in history!
    In Vietnam, there were MiG-15 (training), MiG-17 and MiG-21.
    1. novel66
      novel66 21 October 2020 13: 13
      +2
      well, maybe it wasn't, but annoying ... lol
  • Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 21 October 2020 14: 34
    0
    What kind of planes did they make in the Soviet Union, in the 70s. The West is not only unable to catch up with them, but is only degrading.
  • Vasily Zagorulko
    Vasily Zagorulko 21 October 2020 15: 06
    +1
    Quote: 1976AG
    If you look at the principle of operation of the RCC Granit, then AI in the USSR has already been created.

    This is following a previously created program. AI is different in that it is able to create new solutions that are not prescribed by an algorithm.
  • ZEMCH
    ZEMCH 21 October 2020 15: 34
    0
    The MiG-31 aircraft is good, but its production will not be established now, it is cheaper to make a new one for existing technologies. It remains to wait for the replacement for the PAK DP, and so that the 31st have time to stay
  • Gordei
    Gordei 21 October 2020 17: 06
    +4
    Old man MiG-31, still causes quiet horror among "our partners" .. They knew how to build and create in the USSR, decades have passed, but he has not exhausted his modernization resource ..
  • nikolai55soot
    nikolai55soot 21 October 2020 17: 47
    +1
    During the service in the SA 1973 -75, the 11th Air Defense Army, at 530 IAP, the village of Chuguevka (Sokolovka airfield) in August 1975 adopted the first MiG-25 P, TTX was armed with 2 radio-controlled missiles and 2 rockets with thermal heads 2X2 = 4 rockets (and there are no other weapons), took off from the airfield and at an altitude of 50 m. the pilot turned on the autopilot, control (at an altitude of 50 m, when the control lever moves, the autopilot is turned off and the pilot lands); can fly at speeds from 2000 to 3000 km / h and can briefly up to 3600 km / h. In the air, the MiG-25 P was controlled from the ground by a navigator, through the RSBN (short-range radio location system), when a dangerous new target appeared, it was re-programmed and changed its course in a matter of seconds. When launching one rocket, the pilot lost a couple of kg in weight. The MiG-25 (fighter-interceptor) could destroy aircraft, mainly a reconnaissance aircraft, a ballistic missile, a satellite in near space and others.
  • Diviz
    Diviz 22 October 2020 23: 56
    0
    Mig 41 must be done so that through space and the stratosphere it comes to the target on the ground.