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COVID-19, or SARS-CoV-2. Will this music be eternal?

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To live is to die slowly



Let's start with statistics. But almost without numbers and percentages. Let's limit ourselves to this:

According to experts from the FAO (Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations), 9 million people die from hunger and related diseases every year. Another shocking figure is cited by the respected medical journal The Lancet: malnutrition is the cause of 3,5 million deaths in children aged 1 to 5 years.

Mortality in humans, like in all living things, generally speaking, is 100 percent. The only question is how quickly and from what to die. And life is literally full of all sorts of dangers and risks. However, a person is designed in such a way that he must quickly learn to evaluate them independently. This is his right, and that's okay. Parents should be the first to warn a child about dangers, professionals should be the first to warn an adult individual.

Now we are talking about a hazard with not the highest degree of risk. And it would be quite nice to stop the aggressive intimidation of the public with a screwed-up figure. After all, the frightening increase in the number of cases, more precisely, infected, is nothing more than a direct result of the ever wider coverage of the public with tests.

Yes, seven million with the notorious "crown" in India are almost frightening. But we can't even imagine how many millions there are and what else they can get sick with. That's out of 1,35 billion living in a crowded country.

And gentlemen, colleagues from the central media do not need to repeat themselves so often about the second wave. We understand that there is a struggle for circulation, for clicks and views, and COVID-19 is leading in terms of reader and viewer demand. But this coronavirus, like everyone else, is a trivial seasonal illness.

The latter has been proven and recognized even by the WHO and Rospotrebnadzor, and again, there is no need to repeat that the world is reaping the fruits of summer relaxation. Mortality in Europe from SARS-CoV-2 in autumn is much lower than in spring, but the authorities, of course, take credit for this. In Russia, they look at everything from above in exactly the same way.

Vaccinations, masks, gloves - all this has now turned into a kind of compulsory insurance, but it has become much more intrusive. And this is no longer a smallpox vaccination, although the very danger of the disease and the need to be vaccinated were scientifically proven there.

Each of us, as a reasonable person with all his rights and responsibilities, must assess all risks and make decisions. If wearing a mask is a duty, you will have to put up with it for a while, at least in order not to provoke others.

But get vaccinated? Is it too early yet? And in general, will they leave us the right to breathe freely and decide anything for ourselves?

Do you need a quarantine?


How could someone not want to admit that the risks in the spring were assessed incorrectly. Perhaps it is criminally wrong, because someone needed it that way. Very necessary. Even the fact that Trump predicted American casualties to the point (200 thousand) does not change anything in essence.

In the States, this is possible, and it is not excluded that it will still play in favor of the current president. And the deadly SARS-CoV-2 itself turned out to be a flu - too common, but I don't want to admit it either.

Because then you will have to answer for the fact that the effectiveness of the quarantine, false, be it at least three times lockdown, turned out to be somehow questionable. By the way, the same WHO, which on very flimsy grounds launched a pandemic around the world as a fact, admits that more people still die from hunger than from the notorious "crown".

In 2020, about 7 million people have already died of hunger. Remind me how many died from SARS-CoV-2? As of October 20 - 1 million 117 thousand 572 people. What precision! But still almost seven times less than hunger.

COVID-19, or SARS-CoV-2. Will this music be eternal?

UN Secretary General António Guterres is sounding the alarm, saying that the world is facing an emergency due to food shortages caused by the coronavirus epidemic, and this will have long-term consequences.

Where does the deficit come from? Yes, from lockdown and from the inability to feed. Including because of the monstrous failures in the global transport system. Since we are back to statistics, let us recall something else. Every percentage of the fall in world GDP (taking into account mutual services, for example, related to tourism) is reflected in a population decline of 600-650 thousand people.

Does anyone really think that the current 7-something billion earthlings cannot be quickly exhausted? But the legendary host of "The Obvious - the Incredible" Academician Sergei Kapitsa, having taken up demography shortly before his death, warned that the growth of the human population, only seemingly explosive, would soon be exhausted. As he looked into the water.

The pandemic, we repeat, is very dubious by any indicator, has already backfired on civilized countries with a jump in mortality from literally everything except SARS-CoV-2. One refusal of the system and the patients themselves from planned operations and examinations is worth it!

And then there is the killed immunity from panic and self-isolation at home, from the fact that stress has to be seized, and more often - to drink. How to assess all this harm and this nonsense? What statistics can there be?

People be vigilant


There won't be enough people for a long time. They themselves, like viruses, sooner or later begin to get out of control. And it is simply impossible to believe that masks are forever. To jerk after all can be so - it will not seem a little.

In addition, experience, according to Pushkin, the son of difficult mistakes, convinces that not everything is so terrible. Look, father Lukashenko saved the Belarusians from pressure from above, so they still can't calm down, and the world is not afraid of any frightening statistics on SARS-CoV-2.

Sweden did without a quarantine-lockdown and a political shake-up, and now it is not suppressed by thousands of deaths. They say, however, that everything is bad in Switzerland now, so the authors do not exclude that there is free tourism with a ski season "for everyone", and not just for the elite, someone just wants to strangle.

They also talk about the closure of New Zealand and the fact that in Israel, with its duplicate healthcare system, everyone is angry with the Orthodox Jews. They say they don't wear masks, they get sick more than everyone else, and they take the infection through the synagogues.

Back in the spring, it was calculated that to save one conditional life, 500 people need to wear masks without removing them, observing all the rules. And it seems to someone that this is real? However, today there is a feeling that in the capital's transport masks have already been donned not by 500 thousand, but by all 15-20 or 30 million residents of the super-metropolis. Even guest workers.

If the masks are allowed to be removed only during general vaccination, then the dream of Academician Alexander Gintsburg will come true, it seems. Well, it's not for nothing that his respected medical institution with the glorious name of Nikolai Gamaleya invested so much in the development of a vaccine, and now it will also have to invest in production.

But won't this vaccine be the same as those for the flu? Vaccinated, not vaccinated, but the risk of getting sick will not go anywhere. It can go down, but not to zero for sure. The following figures are also well known: the risk of contracting the flu without a vaccine is 2,9%, with a vaccine - 0,9%.

Rospotrebnadzor was forced to admit that most people get infected in medical institutions. So isn't it better to focus all quarantine efforts there? And not to keep in beds in ultra-modern clinics from the Moscow mayor as many as 20 percent of those infected with a mild form of the disease.

The same Donald Trump somehow surprisingly quickly recovered from SARS-CoV-2. At his age (much more than 65+)! .. A pandemic in general, some kind of test turned out, didn't you think? It seems that without tests, the world might not have noticed SARS-CoV-2 at all.

Again, here's a quote from the network: "... testing and future vaccinations are tools of endless manipulation, and so far it looks like that." And let us now be accused of anything.

We cannot, and, apparently, will no longer be able to understand why they are trying to deprive us of the right to breathe, the right to think and the right to choose. A hard lockdown is the same Russian revolt, senseless and merciless.
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  1. Old Bolshevik
    Old Bolshevik 21 October 2020 10: 05
    +8
    The Golden Million of the West decided that there are too many people on Earth, they cannot be fed and they are mostly useless for the elite of the West. Thatcher openly said that in order to pump oil and gas from the depths of Russia, 30 million Russian citizens are quite enough. And so Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Putin have been diligently fulfilling the decision of the Heidelberg Club for all 30 years - they are rapidly reducing the Russian population, destroying available medicine, science, education, and industry in Russia.
    1. Linxs
      Linxs 21 October 2020 10: 12
      -3
      Quote: Old Bolshevik
      And so Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Putin have been diligently fulfilling the decision of the Heidelberg Club for all 30 years.

      And then Ostap suffered ... Exhale. Have a snack.
      1. Kronos
        Kronos 21 October 2020 10: 16
        -13 qualifying.
        Yeltsin and Putin robbed the country for themselves.
      2. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 21 October 2020 10: 23
        17
        And if you think about it, then the "Old Bolshevik" is somewhat right. Most of the old and sick people die from Covid (from Covid?). And at the same time, the rest of the patients during this "plague" cannot get treatment in hospitals, because they are redesigned for covid patients. Nobody keeps track of how many ordinary patients died because of this. So: this is more like a deliberate reduction of the elderly population - the fewer there are, the less government spending on their treatment and pension. In this way, the states may have decided to save money on the elderly. I hope I'm wrong.
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 21 October 2020 11: 04
          16
          Quote: СРЦ П-15
          Well, this is more like a deliberate reduction of the elderly population - the fewer there are, the less government spending on their treatment and pension. In this way, the states may have decided to save money on the elderly. I hope I'm wrong.

          You are just right. Billionaires don't need a ballast in the form of retirees ..
          1. SRC P-15
            SRC P-15 21 October 2020 11: 10
            -5
            Quote: Svarog
            You are just right. Billionaires don't need a ballast in the form of retirees ..

            What does billionaires have to do with it? Do they pay pension to old people and pay for their treatment? Show me at least one such billionaire philanthropist.
            1. Svarog
              Svarog 21 October 2020 11: 14
              11
              Quote: SRC P-15
              Quote: Svarog
              You are just right. Billionaires don't need a ballast in the form of retirees ..

              What does billionaires have to do with it? Do they pay pension to old people and pay for their treatment? Show me at least one such billionaire philanthropist.

              Of course they do not pay, the government pays, which serves the interests of these billionaires .. Let's take a simple example, taxes .. where is the progressive scale? That's right, why, when the retirement age can be raised ..
              1. SRC P-15
                SRC P-15 21 October 2020 11: 26
                -11 qualifying.
                Quote: Svarog
                Of course they do not pay, the government pays, which serves the interests of these billionaires .. Let's take a simple example, taxes .. where is the progressive scale? That's right, why, when the retirement age can be raised ..

                Again, the retirement age was raised not by billionaires, but by the government. state! Billionaires aside, how many pensioners the state has and how they are treated. They need working people who work hard in their factories and plants and bring them profit!
                A progressive scale of taxation will appear, there is no getting away from it. But it’s not the time yet. We can only criticize, but we do not know all the nuances in this matter.
                1. Alf
                  Alf 21 October 2020 12: 23
                  +7
                  Quote: СРЦ П-15
                  Again: the retirement age was raised not by billionaires, but by the government. state!

                  Yeah, but in a government like the proletarians sit. Mizulina, klishas, ​​all hard workers ...
                  1. Hunter 2
                    Hunter 2 21 October 2020 12: 36
                    -6
                    Quote: Alf

                    Yeah, but in a government like the proletarians sit. Mizulina, klishas, ​​all hard workers ...

                    If you write, then write at least competently and legally justified!
                    Constitution of the Russian Federation Article 10 State Power in the Russian Federation is carried out on the basis of division into Legislative, Executive and Judicial.
                    Mizulina - Deputy of the State Duma (Legislative Power)
                    Klishas - member of the Federation Council (Legislative Power)
                    What relation do these characters have to the Government ???
                    The Government of the Russian Federation is the Executive Power!
                    1. Alf
                      Alf 21 October 2020 12: 39
                      +8
                      Quote: Hunter 2
                      Quote: Alf

                      Yeah, but in a government like the proletarians sit. Mizulina, klishas, ​​all hard workers ...

                      If you write, then write at least competently and legally justified!
                      Constitution of the Russian Federation Article 10 State Power in the Russian Federation is carried out on the basis of division into Legislative, Executive and Judicial.
                      Mizulina - Deputy of the State Duma (Legislative Power)
                      Klishas - member of the Federation Council (Legislative Power)
                      Cocoon these characters have to do with the Government ???
                      The Government of the Russian Federation is the Executive Power!

                      I explain popularly. There are NO representatives of the working class in the Russian government, only representatives of big business. Whether they will pass laws against limiting their wishes and moguls is a very big question.
                      1. Hunter 2
                        Hunter 2 21 October 2020 12: 43
                        -4
                        For understanding ... what does a representative of the working Class in the Government, a representative of the working profession (turner, locksmith, plumber ... who) mean?
                      2. Alf
                        Alf 21 October 2020 12: 48
                        +5
                        Quote: Hunter 2
                        For understanding ... what does a representative of the working Class in the Government, a representative of the working profession (turner, locksmith, plumber ... who) mean?

                        And what are characters like Kabaeva and Valuev doing there?
                      3. Hunter 2
                        Hunter 2 21 October 2020 12: 59
                        +1
                        Quote: Alf
                        Quote: Hunter 2
                        For understanding ... what does a representative of the working Class in the Government, a representative of the working profession (turner, locksmith, plumber ... who) mean?

                        And what are characters like Kabaeva and Valuev doing there?

                        Well, it's not serious to answer a question with a question.
                        Kabaeva and Valuev are not members of the Government AT ALL. Valuev Deputy of the State Duma (Legislative Power), Kabaeva - at the present time, she does not belong to any branch of government.
                        Answer the question?
                      4. Alf
                        Alf 21 October 2020 13: 06
                        +6
                        Quote: Hunter 2
                        Answer the question?

                        And I have already answered, above. I repeat once again, there are no people in the Duma or in the government who stand up for the working class. You, apparently, either did not understand this, or are trying to pretend that you did not understand. There is no need to cast a shadow over the fence.
                      5. Hunter 2
                        Hunter 2 21 October 2020 13: 17
                        0
                        Quote: Alf

                        And I have already answered, above. I repeat once again, there are no people in the Duma or in the government who stand up for the working class. You, apparently, either did not understand this, or are trying to pretend that you did not understand. There is no need to cast a shadow over the fence.

                        No, I just understand the principle of the Division of Power in My Camp, Russia!
                        And you are not, that you have messed up with the word "Government". I gave you the article of the Constitution above, just about Power, but for you - are they just bosses?
                        If you do not like someone, at least try to understand - who he is and what institution of Power belongs to, and whether he belongs at all! I - I understand ... I wish you - to understand. hi
                      6. Alf
                        Alf 21 October 2020 13: 20
                        -1
                        Quote: Hunter 2
                        Quote: Alf

                        And I have already answered, above. I repeat once again, there are no people in the Duma or in the government who stand up for the working class. You, apparently, either did not understand this, or are trying to pretend that you did not understand. There is no need to cast a shadow over the fence.

                        No, I just understand the principle of the Division of Power in My Camp, Russia!
                        And you are not, that you have messed up with the word "Government". I gave you the article of the Constitution above, just about Power, but for you - are they just bosses?
                        If you do not like someone, at least try to understand - who he is and what institution of Power belongs to, and whether he belongs at all! I - I understand ... I wish you - to understand. hi

                        Clear. When there is nothing to say, we begin to breed verbiage, like Putin.
                      7. Hunter 2
                        Hunter 2 21 October 2020 13: 25
                        +2
                        Improve your own literacy. Study, study and study again Lenin V.I.
                        I always have my own opinion and I express it easily. And you can't even ask a question, write outright Stupidity and get personal ... because - even you can't formulate your own thought correctly!
                      8. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 21 October 2020 14: 19
                        -5
                        Quote: Hunter 2
                        Improve your own literacy. Study, study and study again Lenin V.I.
                        I always have my own opinion and I express it easily. And you can't even ask a question, write outright Stupidity and get personal ... because - even you can't formulate your own thought correctly!

                        Alexey, people are gnawing that someone got to the trough, where, in their opinion, they can steal and where they are "ordered", and you are trying to explain to them the 10th article of the Constitution of the Russian Federation laughing Let's go better to discuss Karabakh somewhere. Here citizens speak a different language. Though in Russian
                      9. Hunter 2
                        Hunter 2 21 October 2020 14: 23
                        -2
                        Albert, Envy is a Mortal Sin! am
                        We can't express thoughts - but put the minuses only with a bang! Well, right, even if they start with the development of fine motor skills, like children, damn it! laughing
                      10. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 21 October 2020 14: 29
                        -3
                        My advanced in 3 years. They know who is an insect, who is an animal, who is a fish)).
                        And how is it in English too laughing
                        Well, I’m writing - let's go for drones, fighters and the situation in Karabakh to sharpen the ribbons. There is nothing to talk about here.
                2. Varyag71
                  Varyag71 26 October 2020 10: 28
                  -1
                  Yes, from these stubborn patriots it is impossible to hear anything else. He also waves the constitution.
          2. Ka-52
            Ka-52 22 October 2020 06: 03
            +2
            Well, it's not serious to answer a question with a question.

            you are arguing with a stupid troll. A couple of times I got into dialogue with him - that's the same stupidity and cliché. And unfortunately there is a whole local diaspora like that.
  2. Roman070280
    Roman070280 22 October 2020 12: 31
    +3
    legally sound!

    Mizulina - Deputy of the State Duma (Legislative Power)
    Klishas - member of the Federation Council (Legislative Power)
    What relation do these characters have to the Government ???


    Yes, you have neither Miller, nor Gref, nor Sechin have anything to do with the government .. Now you will legally justify that they are hard workers and represent the interests of the people ..
    Why all this demagogy and literalism, if Alf wrote everything on the case ..


    write at least competently

    Kokoe respect

    "legally sound" (c)
  • Ali
    Ali 21 October 2020 12: 45
    -10 qualifying.
    Dear members of the forum! The COVID-19 virus, or SARS-CoV-2, is something other than modified HIV virus, the difference is only in the spread of viruses, one spreads airborneand the other sexually I myself have been ill and knowing all the responses of my immune system before, I say this with all the evidence:
    1. Virus The COVID-19 virus, or SARS-CoV-2, upon your infection, reads information about the responses of your immune system, and then again simulates your infection with the same diseases that were previously, and turns off your immune system at the same time, repeating all over again ... Only medicines - Azithromycin, Arbidol and others, which were partially provided free of charge (Arbidol) ... are fighting for your health ...
    2. Virus Virus COVID-19, or SARS-CoV-2 caught on a corny simple - he was modeling the situation - he drove the situation when I caught a very bad cold and my lower pressure jumped, and therefore both the upper and these manifestations I never got sick again ... It all showed that the COVID-19 virus, or SARS-CoV -2 is of laboratory origin. The action of the supporters of the theory of Malthus and others in action! The golden billion is needed by the all-powerful of this world.
    3. We need to tell our President Vladimir Putin the truth (according to our intelligence) - someone in the world did it, namely - "let the genie out of the bottle." I am more inclined to the United States, as only they dealt with the HIV virus most of all and, according to the Internet, they patented a modified HIV virus.
    1. Ali
      Ali 21 October 2020 13: 16
      -7
      PS Supplement. The COVID-19 virus, or SARS-CoV-2 in my case, tried to simulate 3
      diseases:
      1. Inflammation of the lungs - it did not work,
      2. Further - Bronchitis (coughing) - did not work,
      3. Further high pressure - did not work - the use of drugs: 5-th NOC, paste "Fitolysin", among other things. This situation is described above!
      The virus tried (intellectually according to the past responses of my immune system - programmatically) to destroy the human body. Obviously, the COVID-19 virus, or SARS-CoV-2, is of artificial origin. I can prove it.
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        2. zyablik.olga
          zyablik.olga 22 October 2020 06: 49
          +2
          Quote: Ali
          your employees Linnik and his wife regularly shit on VO, spitting on people like Damantsev and others!

          Are you quite cuckoo? fool Neither I, nor my husband are employees of the site. We live in the Far East, I have my own business, and Seryozha, after being fired from the armed forces, works in one of the federal departments. The fact that his articles are sometimes published on VO does not mean that we are "site employees". No.
          As for you and Damantsev, you and this author, little respected by me, do not understand the difference between radio command guidance of the second kind (with escort through a missile) and semi-active radar guidance. No. Despite the fact that you imagine yourself to be a genius of radar and constantly undertake to teach others.
          Quote: Ali
          In addition, removing 100 rating points, as now, while simultaneously removing this one of the above statements from my profile.

          Did I and my husband do it at the same time, or did we do it separately? wassat
          Quote: Ali
          Just a shame on the Russophobic site VO!

          But this already falls under the violation of the site rules! However, you are not used to it. In the past, you have been banned multiple times for rudeness, insults, incitement to ethnic conflicts and using multiple accounts. negative
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    3. alekSASHKA-36
      alekSASHKA-36 21 October 2020 15: 50
      0
      https://yandex.ru/turbo/proza.ru/s/2020/04/05/891
  • BMP-2
    BMP-2 21 October 2020 12: 48
    +6
    Alexander and Vladimir - you are both right: billionaires do not pay pensions to pensioners, and since pensioners have low purchasing power, they are not of particular interest for business, which means that billionaires are not needed.
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 21 October 2020 14: 20
      +2
      Quote: BMP-2
      Alexander and Vladimir - you are both right: billionaires do not pay pensions to pensioners, and since pensioners have low purchasing power, they are not of particular interest for business, which means that billionaires are not needed.

      Billionaires have other problems laughing And the state and children should take care of pensioners
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 21 October 2020 14: 12
    0
    Quote: Svarog

    You are just right. Billionaires don't need a ballast in the form of retirees ..

    This is not their ballast, but states))
    1. Plastmaster
      Plastmaster 22 October 2020 07: 19
      0
      It is logical. They were sucked out and thrown off by the state, which they also finance, but to a lesser extent. The state does not have enough funds for pensioners. Means it is necessary to bang the pensioners. And then there is no need to slobber some of the taxes to the state. That will remain in the top pockets.
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 21 October 2020 11: 14
    +5
    Quote: СРЦ П-15
    Nobody keeps track of how many ordinary patients died because of this.

    Here one can only recall the words "The world has turned into an infectious ward of a psychiatric hospital."
  • Alf
    Alf 21 October 2020 12: 21
    +5
    Quote: СРЦ П-15
    Most of the old and sick people die from Covid (from Covid?).

    My staircase, neighbor, 47 years old. First they took away, after three days they took away. Absolutely. The most interesting thing is that Samara has run out of medicines that, at the very least, treat pneumonia. In pharmacies, hands are thrown, in Seredavina, too, the stock is at zero. Mass medicine is "optimized", why store such large stocks of drugs ... But the highly advertised areplivir, the RRC of which, according to all Supervisions, was announced at 5500, is being sold for 13 tons. Freedom to business ...
    1. Alf
      Alf 21 October 2020 14: 12
      +4
      Quote: Alf
      My staircase, neighbor, 47 years old. First they took away, after three days they took away. Absolutely.

      The minus doesn't believe that the neighbor is dead? Hmmm, the very scanty ones have gone.
      Quote: Alf
      The most interesting thing is that Samara has run out of medicines that, at the very least, treat pneumonia. In pharmacies, hands are thrown, in Seredavino, too, the stock is at zero.

      Pneumonia is treated mainly with levofloxacin. Let the minusator try at least one pharmacy in Samara and find it on drugstore websites, maybe even a little mind will appear, although it is unlikely ...
      1. DED_peer_DED
        DED_peer_DED 23 October 2020 19: 24
        0
        The minus doesn't believe that the neighbor is dead?

        Not a minus. But I don't believe in what she died of. Options are possible. Seekers make money on the "pandemic" (though without it too ...). My wife and I got sick a month ago. 59 years old, survived. I didn't bother the doctors, like the last 20 years. After the virus "whistled", respectively, a complication in the form of pneumonia, immediately on the 6th day for both. After that, 5 days of taking Amoxicillin (60 rubles pack) at a dosage of 2X0,5 g. after 8 hours. That's all for now.
        Yes, it was hard. Slightly harder than swine flu (7 or 8 years ago).
        At the same time, at the beginning they ran into a fake Amoxiclav. I noticed on the second day, there was no sense. Pounded, sniffed, licked. A piece of chalk. Compared with the same pill purchased in 2018. The old one smells like penicillin, the taste is appropriate. After that, they abruptly switched to Amoxicillin, which I described above. The temperature dropped immediately and treatment began.
        1. Alf
          Alf 23 October 2020 19: 26
          +1
          Quote: DED_peer_DED
          Not a minus. But I don't believe in what she died of.

          30% of lung damage is not proof?
    2. polar fox
      polar fox 22 October 2020 03: 35
      +2
      Quote: Alf
      the interesting thing is that Samara ran out of medicines,

      there, like in Mirny, giant warehouses with medicines ... and that there is nothing in the hospitals, that's right ... the neighbor didn't find the syringe when her husband was put in her (in the corridor ... later he died from internal hemorrhage ...) ...
      1. Alf
        Alf 22 October 2020 12: 58
        +2
        Quote: polar fox
        there, like in Mirny, gigantic warehouses with medicines ...

        But whether there are the NECESSARY medicines there is a big question.
  • Polite Moose
    Polite Moose 22 October 2020 08: 55
    +1
    Quote: СРЦ П-15
    In this way, the states may have decided to save money on the elderly.

    For our state to economize on the elderly, reducing together with their numbers the size of such a feeder as a pension fund? No.
  • Pete mitchell
    Pete mitchell 23 October 2020 11: 42
    +2
    There is also an opinion: here guys are skeptics from Britain, from the opinion about the actions of government structures can be projected to the whole world, probably, well, except for Batka. In short: menager, not professionals, deal with these issues; to predict the situation, initial data not confirmed by experience were taken
    Кому интересно https://lockdownsceptics.org/what-sage-got-wrong/?fbclid=IwAR0Qd76LSFXdD5-n7RN3fIHWjqDtilWZmgYrqOtlCb_-3FsMN0kB8-hesOU
  • Old Bolshevik
    Old Bolshevik 21 October 2020 10: 35
    +3
    Has the Russian population of the Russian Federation been growing since 1985 to this day?
    And until 1985 the Russian population of the USSR was decreasing?
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 21 October 2020 11: 04
      +8
      Quote: Old Bolshevik
      Has the Russian population of the Russian Federation been growing since 1985 to this day?
      And until 1985 the Russian population of the USSR was decreasing?

      Optimization .. population on the face.
      1. Lionnvrsk
        Lionnvrsk 21 October 2020 12: 57
        -3
        Quote: Svarog
        on the face.

        On your face? repeat
        In our Novoross, for example, not a single hospital and polyclinic was closed in my memory. Well, in Iultin, Kadykchan, Staraya Gubakha, Kolendo, Jubilee, Finval, etc. all "probably" closed. yes On the face the average temperature in the hospital! wink
  • Kronos
    Kronos 21 October 2020 10: 13
    -1
    Complete nonsense - just the countries of the West have suffered greatly economically and in human losses.
    1. Old Bolshevik
      Old Bolshevik 21 October 2020 10: 18
      -2
      This is a side effect of the virus. Now the US laboratories will fix this and launch a new, more successful version.
      1. Kronos
        Kronos 21 October 2020 10: 47
        +4
        Lol in the US, hundreds of thousands have died, millions have lost their jobs, and the number of homeless people has increased.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 21 October 2020 11: 23
      +2
      Quote: Kronos
      Complete nonsense - just the countries of the West have suffered greatly economically and in human losses.

      What difference does it make whether people die from hunger or from Karon-19. You need to choose "from which less."
  • Eldorado
    Eldorado 21 October 2020 10: 20
    -8
    Quote: Old Bolshevik
    The Golden Million of the West decided that there are too many people on Earth, they cannot be fed and they are mostly useless for the elite of the West. Thatcher openly said that in order to pump oil and gas from the depths of Russia, 30 million Russian citizens are quite enough. And so Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Putin have been diligently fulfilling the decision of the Heidelberg Club for all 30 years - they are rapidly reducing the Russian population, destroying available medicine, science, education, and industry in Russia.

    You need to eat, not drink vodka!
    1. Old Bolshevik
      Old Bolshevik 21 October 2020 10: 38
      +4
      No comments
  • Hunter 2
    Hunter 2 21 October 2020 10: 33
    -5
    Quote: Old Bolshevik
    The Golden Million of the West decided that there are too many people on Earth, they cannot be fed and they are mostly useless for the elite of the West. Thatcher openly said that in order to pump oil and gas from the depths of Russia, 30 million Russian citizens are quite enough. And so Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Putin have been diligently fulfilling the decision of the Heidelberg Club for all 30 years - they are rapidly reducing the Russian population, destroying available medicine, science, education, and industry in Russia.

    Lost Three Zeros - it was always a question of the golden billion!
    REN TV - watch often? Stop immediately, and depression is not far away!
    1. Nasrat
      Nasrat 21 October 2020 10: 41
      +5
      Here's what's interesting ... last week the Security Council of the Russian Federation was convened, what issues were considered and who was listened to:
      -----
      The experts proposed to amend "the fundamental strategic planning documents concerning the sources of biological safety threats." The scientific council also suggested “to develop additional measures to counter threats, associated with the possibility of committing terrorist acts using pathogenic biological agents».
      On October 12, President Vladimir Putin decided to create an interdepartmental commission of the Security Council of the Russian Federation on the creation of a national system of protection against new infections.
      -----
      As I understand it, the version of the artificial origin of Covid takes place ... And in the spring, when the virus was just entering Russia, there was still minimal information about it from the scientific world, it is obvious that such an opinion prevailed in the country's leadership ...
      1. Machito
        Machito 21 October 2020 11: 32
        +2
        Quote: Nasr
        Here's what's interesting ... last week the Security Council of the Russian Federation was convened, what issues were considered and who was listened to:
        -----
        The experts proposed to amend "the fundamental strategic planning documents concerning the sources of biological safety threats." The scientific council also suggested “to develop additional measures to counter threats, associated with the possibility of committing terrorist acts using pathogenic biological agents».
        On October 12, President Vladimir Putin decided to create an interdepartmental commission of the Security Council of the Russian Federation on the creation of a national system of protection against new infections.
        -----
        As I understand it, the version of the artificial origin of Covid takes place ... And in the spring, when the virus was just entering Russia, there was still minimal information about it from the scientific world, it is obvious that such an opinion prevailed in the country's leadership ...

        In the USSR, such an epidemic could not be a priori. Our special services missed this biological attack: they closed the border late, did not quarantine those returning from abroad, etc. Obviously, this is not the last biological attack. The US biological laboratories literally surround the Russian Federation. The main thing is that our leadership draws conclusions, and we would avoid a repetition of the biological threat. Thanks to this epidemic, the government tested technology for total digital control and management of the population, including remote digital dibilization of children.
        1. Nasrat
          Nasrat 21 October 2020 11: 55
          0
          Quote: Bearded

          In the USSR, such an epidemic could not be a priori. Our special services missed this biological attack: they closed the border late, did not quarantine those returning from abroad, etc. Obviously, this is not the last biological attack. The US biological laboratories literally surround the Russian Federation. The main thing is that our leadership draws conclusions, and we would avoid a repetition of the biological threat.


          I mostly agree with this part ...

          Quote: Bearded

          Thanks to this epidemic, the government tested the technology of total digital control and management of the population ...


          Dear, the government has been totally controlling the population for a long time ... Mobile phone, Checks in stores, Salary card, TIN, passport, government services, unified information centers - you are under complete control ... a little more and the tax authorities will ask questions - what shishi you bought expensive thing? - we know your income! They will save up basic data for each family member - and then ...


          Quote: Bearded

          including remote digital dibilization of children.


          The fact that there is nothing good in remote control, I agree. Is it done on purpose ("moronization") - hardly.
        2. Alf
          Alf 21 October 2020 12: 25
          +3
          Quote: Bearded
          The main thing is that our leadership draws conclusions, and we would avoid a repetition of the biological threat.

          It did, facilitated tourism both within the country and over the hill.
        3. Tank hard
          Tank hard 21 October 2020 20: 21
          +2
          Quote: Bearded
          closed the border late, did not quarantine those returning from abroad, etc.

          Are you laughing ?! Yes, no one closed the border at all. Moreover, there is a persistent opinion that the infection was brought in by "successful managers" and other crackl (s), and not at all from the territory of China.
          Quote: Bearded
          The main thing is that our management draws conclusions,

          There are laughter and tears ... repeat
          Quote: Bearded
          Thanks to this epidemic, the government tested technology for total digital control and management of the population, including remote digital dibilization of children.

          Is it in Moscow, or what? In the provinces, everyone lied down with the device .. As for distance learning, it showed its complete failure.
      2. BAI
        BAI 21 October 2020 11: 50
        +4
        I understand that the version of the artificial origin of Covid takes place

        The virus, which has Covid in its name, was patented in the USA in 2002. And according to US laws, you can only patent what is of artificial origin.
        1. Nasrat
          Nasrat 21 October 2020 12: 03
          -1
          Quote: BAI
          I understand that the version of the artificial origin of Covid takes place

          The virus, which has Covid in its name, was patented in the USA in 2002. And according to US laws, you can only patent what is of artificial origin.

          got it. And the government's actions in the spring, when everyone on self-isolation and so on, becomes more understandable, given that at that time little was known about this virus (on a scientific basis) ..
      3. BMP-2
        BMP-2 21 October 2020 13: 01
        +5
        The version of the natural origin of Covid is unlikely: Covid and the human immunodeficiency virus, with which Covid, as some "researchers" say, "crossed", belong to different types: the first is an RNA virus (with all the ensuing properties: unstable in the external environment, not viable outside the cell, etc.), the second is a DNA virus (again, with all the properties inherent in this species: stability, the ability to exist outside the cell, etc.). The likelihood that one species will acquire the properties of another, "eating" or "intercourse" with another species, is about the same as in humans to acquire the property of "flying", having tasted a "goose with apples" or "game" :)).
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 21 October 2020 11: 33
      +4
      Quote: Hunter 2
      REN TV - watch often? Stop immediately, and depression is not far away!

      Yes, any news program on TV starts with Covid-19, and even scarecrows show. Better to watch "Wild Planet", healthier.
    3. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 21 October 2020 11: 49
      +5
      Quote: Hunter 2
      REN TV - watch often

      You can joke about conspiracy theories as much as you like, but one cannot but admit the fact that after a certain time, some of them become reality.
      1. Hunter 2
        Hunter 2 21 October 2020 11: 53
        +4
        Quote: Ingvar 72

        You can joke about conspiracy theories as much as you like, but one cannot but admit the fact that after a certain time, some of them become reality.

        Well then, let's all create a website together! Let's call it "The Secret of the Conspiracy" for example! And let's start scaring each other together!
        Igor, but you are closely watching the mortality statistics, keeping track of age groups, keeping track of the numbers. Where are you drawn to obscurantism?
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 21 October 2020 12: 02
          +8
          We have already been intimidated from the screens of zombies, while trampling on all the rights of citizens and the laws of the state.
          But when Gaddafi spoke about this in 2009, he was called an obscurantist.
          1. Hunter 2
            Hunter 2 21 October 2020 12: 08
            0
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            We've all been intimidated from the screens of zombies.

            Do not look at any nonsense, since the information is now not difficult to get from the same Internet.
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            while trampling all rights of citizens, and the laws of the state.

            Now specifically about the violation of rights and laws. Why don't you go to the Court if that's the case?
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 21 October 2020 12: 11
              +3
              Quote: Hunter 2
              Why don't you go to the Court if that's the case?

              Because the independence of the court is fictitious in our country, and is very different from the declared one. It is still possible to achieve justice in a civil lawsuit; in a lawsuit against the authorities, this is unrealistic.
              1. Hunter 2
                Hunter 2 21 October 2020 12: 14
                +1
                What is it all about? What kind of justice? Or are you "generalized" for all good - against all bad?
    4. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 21 October 2020 14: 22
      -1
      So the person does not understand that if he has the Internet, a steady income, a roof over his head, TV, a toilet and clothes with shoes, he also belongs to the golden billion laughing
      1. Hunter 2
        Hunter 2 21 October 2020 14: 26
        0
        Quote: Krasnodar
        So the person does not understand that if he has the Internet, a steady income, a roof over his head, TV, a toilet and clothes with shoes, he also belongs to the golden billion laughing

        Here! That's what I'm trying to say! I ask questions, where is the arbitrariness? Why don't you assert your rights in the Court? And in response - silence request
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 21 October 2020 14: 38
          -1
          Oh ... it's not pallets from the employer to steal, it is necessary to find a lawyer, cheto pay him ... do not embarrass the people, let's go for the fight between fighters and UAVs, let's talk ...
  • paul3390
    paul3390 21 October 2020 10: 39
    18


    Or another translation option ..

    "This is a commercial business. Capitalist companies create viruses so that later ... to produce and sell vaccines. It is very shameful and unethical. Vaccines and medicines cannot be sold ... Medicine should be free, and vaccinations should be free for children, but capitalist companies produce viruses and vaccines and want to make money "
    1. Cat Kuzya
      Cat Kuzya 21 October 2020 11: 29
      +1
      Coronaviruses (Coronaviridae) are a large family of RNA viruses that can infect humans and some animals. In humans, coronaviruses can cause a range of diseases, from mild acute respiratory infections to severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS). Currently, it is known about the circulation among the population of four coronaviruses (HCoV-229E, -OC43, -NL63 and -HKU1), which are present year-round in the structure of ARVI, and, as a rule, cause damage to the upper respiratory tract of mild to moderate severity.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 21 October 2020 11: 36
      +3
      Quote: paul3390
      Or another translation option ..

      Now it is clear why Gaddafi was removed.
    3. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 21 October 2020 14: 23
      +2
      The golden mind of the planet.
  • astepanov
    astepanov 21 October 2020 12: 10
    +2
    No need to draw conclusions based on nonsense. A superficial article, not supported by anything but cynicism.
    academician Sergei Kapitsa, shortly before his death took up demography
    Sergei Kapitsa was not an academician. His father Peter Leonidovich was an academician.
    The following figures are also well known: the risk of contracting the flu without a vaccine is 2,9%, with a vaccine - 0,9%.
    And is it not enough to reduce the risk by more than three times? At the same time, the influenza virus has a monstrous number of strains, which is why vaccines are much less than 100% effective. Does the author of the article know anything about the number of coronavirus strains? About the rate of his mutations? Then he knows something unknown to virologists and epidemiologists.
    malnutrition is responsible for the death of 3,5 million children aged 1 to 5 years.
    Yes, this is a tragedy. But how does it follow from this that there is no need to fight the coronavirus epidemic? In the world, 1,5 million people per year die in car accidents - and, following the author's logic, there is no need to maintain an army of inspectors, but traffic rules must be abolished.
    Well, it's not for nothing that his respected medical institution with the glorious name of Nikolai Gamaleya invested so much in the development of a vaccine, and now it will also have to invest in production.
    Equipment for the production of vaccines was purchased long ago, there are enterprises, personnel - too, and no additional investments are needed. Is the author aware of how vaccines are made? It looks like no.
    Summary: the usual delirium of one of those who rebel against any vaccinations, does not allow their children to be vaccinated against measles, tuberculosis, cerebral palsy ... In general, he wants to enter heaven on someone else's hump.
  • Baloo
    Baloo 21 October 2020 13: 12
    +1
    Quote: Old Bolshevik
    The Golden Million of the West decided that there are too many people on Earth, they cannot be fed and they are mostly useless for the elite of the West.

    Those countries in which active measures were not taken against the coronavirus simply got rid of the "ballast" - old people, chronic people, people with low immunity (this is not only HIV). An example is the Swedes, who are so fond of our liberalism and position.
  • Sergey M. Karasev
    Sergey M. Karasev 22 October 2020 13: 50
    0
    And so Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Putin have been diligently fulfilling the decision of the Heidelberg Club for all 30 years.

    Why didn't they take an example from Pol Pot? In three years they would have met. yes
  • DED_peer_DED
    DED_peer_DED 23 October 2020 19: 01
    0
    Redistribution of property, redistribution of finance in favor of transnational corporations.
    Destruction of small and medium-sized businesses.
    Elimination of cash as a method of payment.
    The squeeze of weak countries and economies.
    Inciting riots and discontent with the existing authorities around the world.
    Redistribution and concentration of power in a small, selected number of persons (as a result, in the hands of one ruler).
    Total control over people: maps, phones, software, security cameras, biopass, etc.
    The maximum separation of people and the incitement of certain groups to others: by religious, medical (sick - healthy, sick with the wrong thing ...), age (including school and "age risk groups" by the crown), national, support the crown or no, for local (restriction of movement), for mental development, for financial well-being and other characteristics.
    Creation of conditions for the growth of debt load, debts (including those that do not exist) and, accordingly, the dependence of citizens on handouts, "favors" from the authorities and the rich.
    The desire to create a "new person", from a person who cares about his soul and the souls of other people, to make a person trembling, shaking only for his life, thinking only about his daily bread and his health.
    Population decline through wars, conflicts, unrest, disease, stress and artificial hunger.
    Creation of an atmosphere of fear and insecurity of people in the future.
    The transformation of a "thinking man" into a "trembling t___ ry".
    Cheating.
    And these are far from all the goals set by the world government for itself within the framework of this operation alone, code-named "Coronavirus Pandemic".
  • aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 24 October 2020 07: 35
    +2
    Quote: Old Bolshevik
    30 million citizens of the Russian Federation are quite enough.

    15 million Ms Thatcher spoke
  • yehat2
    yehat2 21 October 2020 10: 06
    10
    kinks are worst. For example, a covid who has recovered cannot enter the subway without a mask.
    Why?
    Why can't you walk in the park alone? Danger of Infection with Mosquitoes and Squirrels?
    1. Lannan Shi
      Lannan Shi 21 October 2020 10: 12
      10
      Quote: yehat2
      kinks are worst.

      Kinks? If for me, then the whole spring hysteria from our government can be described in only one word - a crime.
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 21 October 2020 10: 16
        -3
        Quote: Lannan Shi
        If for me, then the whole spring hysteria from our government can be described in only one word - a crime.

        Governments? The measures taken to combat the virus are entrusted to the governors.
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 21 October 2020 10: 37
          +7
          Quote: Boris55
          entrusted to the governors.

          And they all issue regulations that contradict the legislation of the Russian Federation. But nowhere is there a signature or even a facsimile.
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 21 October 2020 10: 49
            -6
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            But nowhere is there a signature or even a facsimile.

            Is it the same government to blame or the legislators (Duma), which adopted such laws that allow governors to do this?
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 21 October 2020 11: 08
              +4
              And who do you think is to blame?
        2. And
          And 21 October 2020 10: 41
          10
          A very clever move. If problems have arisen in some region, it is the governor's fault, and if the situation is normalized and stable, then the Government is doing well.
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 21 October 2020 10: 51
            -7
            Quote: And
            If problems have arisen in some region, it is the governor's fault, and if the situation is normalized and stable, then the Government is doing well.

            And what do you want, what if they sneezed in Kamchatka, then put on masks in Crimea? laughing
            1. And
              And 21 October 2020 11: 02
              +3
              I want responsibilities and duties to be distributed proportionally. Once again, when the situation in the regions is not so hot, then the corresponding governor is not fucked up in the tail and in the mane (the Government has nothing to do with it), if the situation is positive, then this is the merit of the Government and other federal structures, but not how not the governor personally. That's what I'm talking about.
              1. Boris55
                Boris55 21 October 2020 11: 10
                -7
                Quote: And
                I want responsibilities and duties to be distributed proportionally.

                And who is against it?
                Only the task of the government is to organize the functioning of the authorities in the right direction, and the task of the authorities, specifically at the local level, is to solve these problems. Hence, some gingerbread, and others a whip.
                1. And
                  And 21 October 2020 11: 16
                  +2
                  Yes, the fact of the matter is that the task of the highest authorities is to develop a clear procedure for action: what, when, in what time frame and under what conditions should be done in the regions, and not this one is all: we recommend, we advise, we suggest , you yourself look at the places there.
        3. Digital error
          Digital error 21 October 2020 11: 01
          0
          Quote: Boris55
          entrusted to governors

          failures fall on them, but the government is "to blame" for the successes :)
        4. Lannan Shi
          Lannan Shi 21 October 2020 11: 51
          +7
          Quote: Boris55
          Governments? The measures taken to combat the virus are entrusted to the governors.

          Oha. Everything was done absolutely correctly. It even became interesting to me. If the leadership of the USSR, in 1941, also self-isolated. Having instructed the regional committees to steer independently. Would we, in your opinion, have won by December 1941? Indeed, locally, as is known from the innovations of our government, they know better.
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 21 October 2020 12: 39
            -2
            Quote: Lannan Shi
            If the leadership of the USSR, in 1941, also self-isolated. Having instructed the regional committees to steer independently.

            At the beginning of the war, all decisions were made by the rate. In this regard, the decisions she made often became meaningless. the situation on the fronts changed rapidly, and information quickly became outdated. Therefore, in the future, the solution of tactical problems was lowered to the bottom. The experience of the Second World War in the fight against the virus was taken into account.
      2. yehat2
        yehat2 21 October 2020 10: 30
        +6
        do not agree. Initially, the problem was unclear and the panic was justified, except that all the costs and problems were directed at the population. The crime was the continuation and intensification of panic and measures.
        1. Lannan Shi
          Lannan Shi 21 October 2020 11: 44
          +7
          Quote: yehat2
          The problem was initially unclear and the panic was justified.

          Now, if the problem was unclear, then shoot for such a decision, and it is better to hang. Has a terrible epidemic come? A mixture of plague and cholera, flavored with tuberculosis? We all die? Oh well. Let's consider the problem from this angle.
          What is necessary for the survival of the state? 1 Power. 2. Army. 3. Internal security. 4 Infrastructure and key to the survival of the enterprise. 5. The rest and the rest ... I feel sorry for the people, but the country's survival is more important. What was done. 1. Power. Well, no questions asked. Our government protects itself, cares for and cherishes in any conditions. Everything is fine here. 2. Army. Oops. As it was not heard about the barracks position for everyone and everything. officers wander home, collect infection in transport, from relatives and drag all this to the service. 3. Police. The same thing. 4. Workers of infrastructure and key enterprises, instead of living in isolation, in a workplace where they will be fed, at state expense, and given vodka to drink, disinfection for, again collect all the dirty tricks along the streets, and again drag them to work ... 5. Others. Without which it is difficult to survive, but possible. But you dear ones, sit at home, otherwise God forbid you start sneezing.
          In fact. There is no quarantine, and not even close to it. Yes, some families in full force are sitting at home. But on average in a hospital ... Half of each family hangs around wherever my dear deigns, and takes away the infection. If covid were a truly terrible disease, with the infectiousness and lethality of the same plague ... Now half of the country would have already died. Quarantine measures ... Zero point zero. Moreover, everything is done exactly the opposite. The keys for survival are thrown into the embrasure, as if they are specifically trying to destroy them. But they trampled on the economy in full. Actually, you really need to shoot for this.
          1. yehat2
            yehat2 21 October 2020 11: 51
            +3
            Well, here I am not inclined to blame failure.
            In the USSR, it was possible to mobilize the entire society for one task in a day.
            Now even the state structures cannot be mobilized immediately. The original limitation was more or less like logic. With bugs and flaws, but it looks like.
            However, by the end of June it became obvious that it was just as absurd to continue. But instead, the authorities only began to strengthen the "measures".
            1. Lannan Shi
              Lannan Shi 21 October 2020 11: 59
              +6
              Quote: yehat2
              Now even the state structures cannot be mobilized immediately.

              And this is a kind verdict. And the country in general, and the authorities in particular. For that means only one thing. The very first serious crisis ... Both for the authorities and for the country will be the last.
        2. BMP-2
          BMP-2 21 October 2020 13: 08
          +2
          Panic is never justified, as it only distracts from making a rational decision ...
    2. Boris55
      Boris55 21 October 2020 10: 13
      0
      Quote: yehat2
      ... a covid who has recovered cannot enter the subway without a mask - why?

      They can, but only when they put the bell in the nostrils and learn how to do it correctly. And we also urgently need to introduce differentiation by the light of the pants! laughing

      1. Digital error
        Digital error 21 October 2020 11: 08
        +1
        Quote: Boris55
        They can, but only when

        when a "vaccination passport" is developed and introduced - this is already being discussed by the government. walk without a mask, but not on a tram. no vaccination - loss of rights, and so the matter is voluntary yes
        Who develops vaccines - are they government agencies?
        profits from vaccination, therefore, they will also receive. a new form of taxation. and you can also scare everyone with the sun's UV radiation and all drivers, under the pretext of reducing the risk of an accident caused by impaired vision, to oblige to buy protective UV glasses. and licenses for the production of such glasses to issue "whoever needs it." a lot of things you can do - "people - new oil" (c)
        1. edmed
          edmed 21 October 2020 12: 26
          +2
          Quote: DigitalError
          and you can also frighten everyone with the sun's UV radiation and all drivers, under the pretext of reducing the risk of accidents caused by impaired vision, to oblige to buy protective UV glasses. and licenses for the production of such glasses to issue "whoever needs it."

          Yes, it has already happened, does anyone remember the "ozone hole"? Only thanks to "DuPont" who on time wink created ozone-non-destructive freon, we all did not die, although all manufacturers were adjusted to the standards of DuPont
      2. AK1972
        AK1972 21 October 2020 11: 56
        +1
        Quote: Boris55
        They can, but only when the bell is inserted into the nostrils and the KU learn to do it correctly

        All the boys put on muzzles and rejoice! Why aren't you happy?
        1. Motorist
          Motorist 21 October 2020 21: 28
          +1
          Quote: AK1972
          All the boys put on muzzles and rejoice!

          There is another scene, I like it better:

          “Please put on your breathing apparatus.
          - What for? You have good air.
          “That's exactly why.
    3. BAI
      BAI 21 October 2020 11: 53
      +1
      recovered covid cannot enter the subway without a mask
      Why?

      And the fact that a person has been ill means nothing. Cases of re-infection and mortality of re-infected have been recorded. Those. vaccinations (the presence of antibodies) do not provide any guarantee against reinfection and death. The risk is reduced. But they don't exclude it.
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 21 October 2020 12: 00
        0
        Quote: BAI
        Those. vaccinations (the presence of antibodies) do not provide any guarantee against reinfection and death. The risk is reduced. But they don't exclude it.

        And God forbid that Covid-19 turns out to be the least problem of the last year, as well as the next one ...
        Otherwise, we will remember masks and gloves as a kind of light rhinitis ...
      2. BMP-2
        BMP-2 21 October 2020 13: 14
        +4
        There are huge problems with the evidence of reinfection cases due to the fact that the reliability level of tests for coronavirus does not even reach the minimum statistical 95%. Moreover, data differ by country: in Germany, it is claimed that from 6 to 9% of PCR tests are false positive. For other countries - different percentages. Well, given that the tests do not reveal the presence of coronavirus, but only the presence of antibodies, the big question remains, what caused pneumonia with pulmonary fibrosis: Covid, another type of coronavirus, or something else ...
      3. Digital error
        Digital error 21 October 2020 21: 00
        0
        Quote: BAI
        Re-infection cases recorded

        this is officially denied. officially the presence of antibodies sufficient to "not get sick" is guaranteed for 3 months. after that, the risk rises to the level of those who were not sick. I was surprised and pleased in another article - the risk of getting the flu does not exceed 1% for vaccinated people and 3% for those who refuse the vaccine. so I will first look at the vaccinated for a year before deciding to vaccinate.
  • RealPilot
    RealPilot 21 October 2020 10: 14
    0
    Coronavirus exists, it is quite dangerous. But the "political coronavirus" is worse than the biological one!

    And, as I understand it, the new vaccine, which has not yet been used on a massive scale physically, is already "fighting" in the information space - its importance as an antidote to political hysteria is extremely important. This is a strong trump card of our country as the savior of humanity.
    1. BMP-2
      BMP-2 21 October 2020 13: 29
      +5
      Quote: RealPilot
      Coronavirus exists, it is quite dangerous. But the "political coronavirus" is worse than the biological one!
      On the "political" - I completely agree. On the first - you need to take into account some of the nuances :). There is such a funny thing called "perspective theory". In 2002, Daniel Kahneman received the Nobel Prize for her. In general, the bottom line is this: people tend to overestimate low probabilities, and underestimate medium and large. In this case, the probability of death from Covid - 0,4% - is very low. Yes, the virus can be a certain danger for about another 20% who are seriously ill. But the remaining 80%, when faced with this virus, most likely will not even notice any changes in their health. Of course, no one wants to be in those very 0,4%, and in 20% they also do not want to get into, and it is this natural fear that the dealers from WHO (or rather, those who are behind them) use. In general, they are not physicians, but they have studied the psychological theory well :)).
  • Woodman
    Woodman 21 October 2020 10: 28
    0
    In 2020, about 7 million people have already died of hunger. Remind me how many died from SARS-CoV-2? As of October 20 - 1 million 117 thousand 572 people. What precision! But still almost seven times less than hunger.
    I will only note that this million deaths from covid resulted from quarantine measures of varying degrees of severity in almost all countries of the world, with closed borders and with almost the entirety of health care systems thrown into the fight against covid.
    Sweden did without a lockdown and a political shake-up at all, and now it is by no means suppressed by thousands of deaths.
    Didn't the Swedish Ministry of Health say that the refusal to introduce quarantine measures was a mistake?
    In May, the situation changed radically. By the 18th, Sweden became the most affected country in all of Scandinavia: 29,7 cases of infection and 3,7 deaths were registered there. In Norway, 8,2 thousand cases and 232 deaths were confirmed, in Finland - 6,3 thousand infections and 297 deaths, in Denmark - 10,9 thousand and 543 deaths. All of these, they once introduced quarantines.

    Moreover, in the week from May 13 to May 19, Sweden surpassed all European countries in the number of deaths per million people - it reached 6,25. In Great Britain, for example, it was 5,7, in Spain - 2,6, in Italy - 2,9. From 23 to 29 May, Sweden's average deaths per million population exceeded those of all countries in the world.

    By June 3, the Swedish authorities have officially confirmed 40 803 cases of infection and 4532 deaths from the coronavirus. As a result, chief state epidemiologist Anders Tegnell admitted that at the very beginning of the pandemic, the country should have taken more restrictive measures.

    And then there's the killed immunity from panic and self-isolation at home, from the fact that stress has to be seized, and more often - to drink. How to assess all this harm and this nonsense?
    Our whole life is continuous stress ... And self-isolation has only benefited many. And this self-isolation was very relative in Russia.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 21 October 2020 11: 06
      +1
      Quote: Lesovik
      And self-isolation has only benefited many.

      As well as the mask mode, when the body, when breathing through the mask, receives less oxygen, and as a result, brain activity decreases. wink
      1. Woodman
        Woodman 21 October 2020 11: 13
        +1
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        when the body, when breathing through a mask, receives less oxygen, and as a result, brain activity decreases

        Does this mean that surgeons have low brain activity during the operation? Do you yourself believe in what you write?
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 21 October 2020 11: 39
          +6
          Quote: Lesovik
          Do you yourself believe in what you write?

          When wearing a mask, the body receives about 20% more carbon dioxide. Long-term wearing leads to increased fatigue and decreased brain activity. Medical fact.
          1. BMP-2
            BMP-2 21 October 2020 13: 44
            +1
            The problem of wearing masks is not carbon dioxide. For example, breathing exercises of Buteyko or breathing according to Frolov are precisely based on increasing the carbon dioxide content: this increases the activity of capture of oxygen by erythrocytes, and improves oxygen delivery to tissues. The problem with masks is different: they only create a certain barrier for the movement of liquid droplets, but ... where does the liquid, stopped by the mask, go? It evaporates, and with each subsequent inhalation, these vapors continue their movement along the respiratory tract. Of course, some of the viruses remain on the mask. But not only viruses: bacteria and fungi also remain there, which begin to multiply intensively in a warm and humid environment (air conditioner effect). Well, bacteria and fungi can already serve as a reliable temporary haven for the coronavirus: so to speak, they give it the opportunity to "sit out" and wait for the next breath. And here a difficult question arises: how often do you need to change masks so that they really help :?)
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              1. BMP-2
                BMP-2 21 October 2020 14: 25
                +2
                There are two solutions to this problem: 1) prohibit breathing for those who have not yet become infected; 2) prohibit breathing out for those who have already become infected :))).
                1. Digital error
                  Digital error 21 October 2020 21: 04
                  0
                  Quote: BMP-2
                  forbid taking breaths

                  Hmm. And under this brand, you can introduce a tax on guaranteed (companies with limited responsibility) clean air, right?
    2. Digital error
      Digital error 21 October 2020 11: 11
      +6
      Quote: Lesovik
      self-isolation has only benefited

      esessny, that's why it is self-isolation - I want - I isolate, I don't want - I don't, I make the decision myself, having previously weighed the risks of self-infection and self-fining ...
  • fn34440
    fn34440 21 October 2020 10: 29
    +4
    In Russia, 90% of coronavirus infections are imported.
    Enemies of the RUSSIAN people have opened air traffic with Turkey (the number of infections there is above average), do not interrupt air traffic with the regions of the South Caucasus and Central Asia, Moldova, etc.
    And the mayor of "SS" is trying to talk about masks and gloves in a metro overcrowded with guest workers.
    When will the RUSSIANS cease to hold the herd for a slop and slowly eradicate, to please the beneficiaries from the Russian Olympus?
    1. Digital error
      Digital error 21 October 2020 11: 18
      0
      Quote: fn34440
      90% of coronavirus infections are imported

      this was the case in the spring, now it has long since disappeared even in the Rospotrebnadzor reports.
      Quote: fn34440
      Public Enemies

      not enemies, but respected people who have invested in the hotel business in Sochi. how will you order them to "beat off" money and implement business plans - can you personally help with money? and the "subcontractors" (kitchens, animators, drivers, medical staff, sellers of everything and everyone in the resorts) who will help with money for their daily bread - are you also personally? Personally, the increase in VAT and pension age was enough for me, and if you want to pay new taxes, you can make monthly contributions to the charitable foundation.
  • yehat2
    yehat2 21 October 2020 10: 36
    +4
    Quote: Boris55
    Measures taken to fight the virus are entrusted to the governors

    governors can only introduce passive restrictive measures.
    it is part of the struggle, and absolutely insufficient.
    But what about the fact that more than 80% of the infected population simply cannot receive any form of treatment - there are stupidly no staff, consumables, beds and equipment in hospitals.
    The infectious wards are ludicrous in scope.
    What about the totally absurd accuracy of covid tests?
    What about the fact that even the external signs of the disease are not clear enough?
    Even the typical duration of the disease is not known.
    All this mask hysteria completely covers up the failure of the medical system to fight infection and not only covid - the lack of an adequate fight against influenza is also hushed up.
    The quality of new vaccines also raises huge questions - some of them have become simply dangerous.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 21 October 2020 11: 03
      11
      Quote: yehat2
      All this mask hysteria completely covers up the failure of the medical system to fight infection.

      Hysteria has already reached the point of absurdity - it is almost impossible to get medical help for other diseases now. Do not break through.
      You have to wait for an ambulance for several hours, then a few hours of waiting in the emergency room. And it is not the virus that is to blame for this, but the specific "optimizers" of medicine.
      Moreover, with the virus itself, there are also many incomprehensible things - in more than half of patients with pneumonia, tests for Covid are negative. Although a lot of people are really sick.
      Of particular dislike is the show in cemeteries, when the dead are buried in closed coffins and gravediggers in protective suits.
      Although it has been repeatedly announced that the deceased is not a distributor of the disease. Cynical dough cut on the bones.
      1. vladimirvn
        vladimirvn 21 October 2020 11: 10
        +4
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Hysteria has already reached the point of absurdity - it is almost impossible to get medical help for other diseases now. Do not break through.

        In Sochi, on suspicion of Covid, an ambulance arrives in two days. An example from today.
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 21 October 2020 11: 34
          11
          Quote: vladimirvn
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Hysteria has already reached the point of absurdity - it is almost impossible to get medical help for other diseases now. Do not break through.

          In Sochi, on suspicion of Covid, an ambulance arrives in two days. An example from today.

          I have a friend who is bedridden, broke his neck and has been lying motionless for 7 years .. recently the temperature has risen, so my wife could not get through to the ambulance all day, and in the evening, when she got through, she was told that we do not come to the temperature ones, call the therapist his ..
          Real horror is happening and the further the more ..
          1. Digital error
            Digital error 21 October 2020 21: 07
            +4
            Quote: Svarog
            call your therapist

            And their number has become much smaller than it was before Dmitry Anatolyevich, the current deputy chairman of the Security Council, determining "directions domestic and foreign policy "...
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir 21 October 2020 11: 03
    +7
    By supporting the authors I will add new business. Many of the wealthy have become even more wealthy in their covid times.
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 21 October 2020 14: 25
      -1
      Quote: Gardamir
      By supporting the authors I will add new business. Many of the wealthy have become even more wealthy in their covid times.

      And some of the rich have become poorer - and? ))
  • Dmitry V.
    Dmitry V. 21 October 2020 11: 29
    +6


    An acquaintance also underestimated the risk - he was relaxed about security measures until his sense of smell disappeared - he fell ill himself (October), infected his wife, son, daughter-in-law, granddaughter. CT showed
    20% of the lungs are affected (this is easily tolerated) 20 days in self-isolation - a week with a temperature of 38,5, then for improvement.
    The ex-husband of my sister, fell ill in August, the test did not show anything, after 5 days CT scan showed that 60% of the lungs were affected ... with lightning speed - in 5 days, 20 days in an infectious diseases clinic.

    The mother-in-law with the father-in-law - they are chewing in the village, the father-in-law brought him from a partner whose spouse was ill - they have been ill for 25 days in a moderately severe form - they did not get a CT scan, even by the turn of the queue (October).

    An acquaintance in the village - the sense of smell disappeared, he was infected by an acquaintance. a guest who came to visit twice passed the test twice negatively, the third positively - but already re-infected a lot of people.

    By the way, this is a complaint about the "accuracy" of domestic tests, which have insufficient sensitivity to low concentrations of the virus and for this reason they start treatment either later or a person, considering himself healthy, infects several dozen others or loved ones, the majority turns when the sense of smell and taste disappears - by this time for 2-3 days a person infects others.

    In general, domestic tests for coronavirus are a fiasco, it is necessary to shoot for such tests.

    We were lucky - a sick person came to the office wearing a mask - suspecting (the sense of smell was lost) that he had a covid, he passed the tests and waited for the results for 3 days (positive - I attach a photo).
    No one in the office got infected, which confirms that the mask is an effective means of protection when worn by an infected person.
    Of course, when a positive result was obtained, all workplaces, door handles, coolers, etc. were treated with aerosol disinfectants. For 20 days, the team was sent to self-isolation - no one got infected.
    Take care of yourself, wear masks.

    PS After the coronavirus, you should beware, the body is weakened and there is a high probability of getting a complication from the usual acute respiratory infections.

    This epidemic warns that if the disease were more lethal - everything would end very sadly - the states signed their own impotence even in the face of such a mild epidemic.
    The exception is China, which has almost completely suppressed the covid on its territory with tough self-isolation measures.
    The situation in the health care of the Russian Federation, disorganization and panic - the carelessness of the majority of the population, led to an explosive spread of infection.
    Fiasco.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 21 October 2020 11: 59
      +5
      Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich
      they didn’t get to the CT scan, even by the pull of the queue (October).

      But paid CT scan has almost doubled since spring. It was 2500, now it is 4500, and voila - no queue. In the same hospital.
      Pneumonia - is it Covid? After all, they started talking about an incomprehensible surge in pneumonia in the fall, on the first channel in the twenties of November 19, there was a story in the news. And Covid officially appeared only in January 20th.
      1. Humpty
        Humpty 21 October 2020 12: 50
        +3
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        After all, they started talking about an incomprehensible surge in pneumonia in the fall, on the first channel in the twenties of November 19, there was a story in the news. And Covid officially appeared only in January 20th.

        A friend of mine in the Moscow region suffered pneumonia in December, judging by the course of the disease, he was covid.
      2. Digital error
        Digital error 21 October 2020 21: 08
        +1
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        they started talking about an incomprehensible surge in pneumonia in the fall

        autumn 2018 year.
    2. Dmitry V.
      Dmitry V. 21 October 2020 12: 27
      +4
      Health care in the Russian Federation, on the example of mother-in-law and father-in-law, living in the village of Mirny in the Chelyabinsk region - 30 km from the regional center.
      As I wrote above - they were infected by a person who, due to his illiteracy, does not think about the health of others - his wife was ill (he did not know what), but he was not worthy to wear a mask and how many people he infected - the question is, I know for sure about 3.

      By the time the father-in-law and mother-in-law had the first symptoms - it took 3 and 5 days, respectively - they did not suspect all this time, until the person who infected them pleased that his wife had confirmed covid.

      Fever, cough, shortness of breath, loss of smell - they called an ambulance.
      They waited for an ambulance for 3 days, took smears for analysis, and left.
      The results of the analyzes were waiting for 8 (!) Days, in order to find out them, we had to involve the heads of district doctors.
      All this time (11 days) they were not prescribed any treatment - nothing.
      The condition worsened every day.
      Of course, the relatives, through the doctors they knew, found out what medicines were used, took responsibility for themselves - they bought antibiotics (illegally!), Brought the medicines, handed them "under the door" and the treatment began even before they knew the result - which saved us from complications, suffered moderate severity.
      On the 11th day, we received confirmation on covid, after which the local therapist "showed diligence" - he arranged for a CT scan through the back door. We went to the CT scan (without waiting for an ambulance, which you can wait for 2-3 days) - "from the back door" there is also a queue for several hours.
      They did not wait - people aged, after an illness, also the temperature of 37-37,5 keeps, turned around, left ...
      This is a specific chronology of the current situation in a settlement far from Moscow.
      I think in 5 days they will recover, the regional health care will report on another victory over the coronavirus ...
      Don't rely on healthcare - it can't even cope with such a relatively non-fatal disease.
      Wear masks - take care of others.
    3. Humpty
      Humpty 21 October 2020 12: 46
      +4
      Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich
      carelessness of the majority of the population led to an explosive spread of infection.

      Your acquaintances got off lightly, very lightly. It is unclear how this virus chooses its victims. IMHO the best protection so far is chronic bronchitis (from smoking, asthma, etc.), it does not protect against infection, the course of the disease is easier. Most often, the victims are the conditionally healthy and people with good health between the ages of 35 and 65. Rarely do people from 16 to 30 die.
      PS. Personal observations.
      I wish the authors to buy wisdom in the market before rattling on the topic.
      1. Dmitry V.
        Dmitry V. 21 October 2020 13: 17
        +2
        Quote: Humpty
        Your acquaintances got off lightly, very lightly. It is unclear how this virus chooses its victims. IMHO the best protection so far is chronic bronchitis (from smoking, asthma, etc.), it does not protect against infection, the course of the disease is easier. Most often, the victims are the conditionally healthy and people with good health between the ages of 35 and 65.


        Rather, timely started antibiotic treatment according to the scheme.
        The companion suffered the hardest - 8 days high fever, antibiotics, blood thinning injections. About 30% of the lungs are damaged (and he still has a good dissolution of oxygen in the blood) - after 20 days he sits at work coughing ... does not advise anyone to get sick.
        1. Humpty
          Humpty 21 October 2020 13: 38
          +2
          Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich
          Rather, timely started antibiotic treatment according to the scheme.

          It is more accurate to say - rather, Russian health care, which the liberoids have not been able to finish off to the end. And the WHO recommends warm drinks and paracetamol.
          And so, yes, steroids, antibiotic complexes, blood thinners (heparin, etc.), plus aids to prevent the pancreas or liver from clotting. This is with a pulmonary form, those to whom convulsions at night are not allowed to sleep, for those as far as I know it is easier.
    4. Van 16
      Van 16 21 October 2020 13: 59
      +4
      "passed the tests and waited for the results for 3 days"

      From my own experience: on August 11 I got into the "contact", 13 took the test, the result came 24. Once again - 24! In total, two weeks of uncertainty. For the sake of justice, those who passed in other polyclinics received the result in 6-7 days.
      1. Digital error
        Digital error 21 October 2020 21: 13
        +1
        Quote: Van 16
        Once again - 24!

        24-11 = 13. That is, one quarantine period, during which your conscience tormented you every time you went to the store. The state approach to testing, however. Yesterday I tested for antibodies, and today (after a negative result) I went to my elderly mother-in-law without a mask. And only then I thought that the analysis could be false negative. And in your case - lilac, even if it were positive, no one would be infected.
        1. Van 16
          Van 16 22 October 2020 05: 28
          +3
          You see, it's not even about the infection, it's about the organization. It was in August, the algorithm should already be worked out, the system should work like clockwork. And in fact, only the test was done for 11 days. I omit what was first sent to one clinic, then to another, then again to the first. This is not an organization, this is a mess.
    5. Tank hard
      Tank hard 21 October 2020 20: 48
      -1
      Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich
      In general, domestic tests for coronavirus are a fiasco, it is necessary to shoot for such tests.

      Come on, then so many people need to be zeroed out, that with the current demography it will be completely sad. Already posted somewhere, but I’ll repeat .. Of the 40 employees of our organization, 4 people (including myself) did not fall (including the hospital). The sick periodically appeared at work, communicated, others fell ill. Not working is a loss of income and significant, some are very worried about this moment, they are ready to run to work in any condition, because loans, mortgages, hotzza a new car. Can you imagine. I replace 2 employees, their salary is mine. The employees want money, they ask to be released to work, but the "evil" doctors say "no way" and send them to the CT scan again. Employees (who don't) come to work, shake hands, pick up and distribute tasks, then again someone gets sick. What, will you order them to shoot? !! So there is no such law, they will send you. Each test costs money, they do not do it for free, so I got snot and tears in one beautiful moment, just a stream, by the evening everything was gone, there is no temperature, what should I do? What do I have? Do it at your own expense? And what and what? The clinic will not get through properly. An ambulance drove to my mother for two days, but it never arrived, a doctor came in his car. She wrote out a standard, said that it's okay, a test, through the clinic. They called the clinic, there (after a long period of time) they said the magic word - good, but the test was never done. Mom somehow went through like this. Everything with us is so. We are waiting for the vaccine, which has already been sent to the right place, but we do not have it. Something like this. request
      1. Digital error
        Digital error 21 October 2020 21: 21
        +1
        Quote: Tank Hard
        shake hands, take and distribute tasks, then again someone gets sick

        I also greet everyone by the hand - in the morning and with everyone. then, without touching my face, I wipe my hands with a 70% alcohol napkin, then I do inhalation with it (moderately, so as not to burn the epithelium of the upper respiratory tract). neighbors to the left and right of me on the desktop have been ill. me not. take care of yourself and everything will be OK.
        1. Tank hard
          Tank hard 21 October 2020 21: 27
          0
          Quote: DigitalError
          I also greet everyone by the hand - in the morning and with everyone. then, without touching my face, I wipe my hands with 70% alcohol napkin

          I touch constantly, the work is so ... It is not possible to constantly follow the instructions, so I would have already erased the skin to the bones.
          Quote: DigitalError
          take care of yourself and everything will be OK.

          Everything is the will of the Almighty (Glory to Him and his prophets). Thank you for your wishes. Peace to your home. hi
      2. Dmitry V.
        Dmitry V. 23 October 2020 12: 52
        +1
        Quote: Tank Hard
        Employees (who don't) come to work, shake hands, take and distribute tasks, then again someone gets sick. What, will you order them to shoot? !!


        I would shoot ...
        Who bothers to prohibit shaking hands?
        Forbidden to shake hands at work, I want to say hello to coronavirus elbows.
        Masks at work
        But almost all our employees turned out to be prudent and were careful - they didn't greet and wear masks, keep their distance.
        The result - in 5 months only the companion became infected, because at work he did not shake hands - he did not infect anyone.
        1. Tank hard
          Tank hard 23 October 2020 19: 43
          0
          Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich
          I would shoot ...

          I would ... If only, if only ... Why aren't you shooting? The whole country is filled with such individuals.
    6. DED_peer_DED
      DED_peer_DED 24 October 2020 13: 44
      0
      Dmitry Vladimirovich.
      A neighbor had no kidneys for 10 years, he lived on dialysis, 1958. birth. He died the other day. (The day before yesterday it was 9 days.) It seems like I was walking around the yard. Then they abruptly put me in the hospital (Not Corona ...). On the second day, the surgeon cut off one leg. A day later he said that it was necessary to cut the second one ??? They cut it off and the next day was discharged to die home.
      He died on the third day after that.
      Do you have any idea why the operations were performed when everything was already clear to the doctors?
      And these, here you call doctors, believe them and their conclusions, go to them "to be treated"?
    7. Varyag71
      Varyag71 26 October 2020 11: 34
      0
      From the government? there are always people to blame
  • aleks26
    aleks26 21 October 2020 11: 29
    +1
    But won't this vaccine be the same as those for the flu? Vaccinated, not vaccinated, but the risk of getting sick will not go anywhere. It can go down, but not to zero for sure. The following figures are also well known: the risk of contracting the flu without a vaccine is 2,9%, with a vaccine - 0,9%.

    Yeah. Only you do not take into account, getting sick vaccinated and not vaccinated - these are two big differences. The course of the disease in the first case proceeds as a mild rhinitis. But in the second case, 3-4 days with a temperature over 38 is hard, especially for the elderly. And the complications are much higher. Trust the person who, if not vaccinated, is guaranteed to roll around with the flu every year. I can only envy the compatriots living in Russia in terms of the availability of vaccines. I am Russian, I live in Transnistria. If we receive vaccinations, it is only in January. when it is already pointless to do them. You have to go to Moldova and get vaccinated in paid blades. Only this year and they have a complete J. with this. No vaccines are expected this year. Even though you can take it by plane to the capital of the country.
  • BAI
    BAI 21 October 2020 11: 44
    +1
    1. What does hunger have to do with covid? Covid is a disease, and hunger is a social phenomenon. In this case, death from old age can also be considered. Here are the WHO data on mortality from various diseases:

    But there is no oncology and cardiology - the generally recognized leaders in mortality! Indeed, the competence of WHO is questionable.
    Here are the data from Rosstat:
    Until the data for 2019-2020, mortality in Russia occurs due to certain diseases. Residents of the Russian Federation die of old age only in 5 percent of cases. - / hello to the Pension Fund!/

    7,9 percent is accounted for by accidents (of which 1 percent of deaths - in transport, 0,8 percent - in road accidents).

    More often, Russians die due to diseases associated with the cardiovascular system. The share of ischemic pathology accounts for 28,4 percent deaths.

    The second place is occupied by oncology - 16,6 percent

    As we can see, covid was not even included in the mortality statistics for the Russian Federation.
    2.
    The same Donald Trump somehow surprisingly quickly recovered from SARS-CoV-2. At his age (much more than 65+)!

    And this shows that covid is a social disease. Wealthy people recover. 100%. Trump, Johnson, in Russia: Mishustin, a bunch of governors and pop stars. They cured everyone. Ordinary, disadvantaged citizens are dying. In all countries. Mortality does not concern elite.
    1. Sentinel-vs
      Sentinel-vs 21 October 2020 12: 03
      -1
      They gave some clumsy statistics.

      Pneumonia can be caused by a variety of reasons. Pneumonia is a consequence of some kind of infection or other cause of exposure to the body. It's like diarrhea or vomiting - it can be caused by anything, bacteria, poisoning, even mechanical damage. Pneumonia, including, as we see, a constant companion of patients with Covid-19. Meningitis is the same, it is a consequence of inflammation of the meninges. It can be caused by many different reasons. Where did you find these statistics?
      1. BAI
        BAI 21 October 2020 12: 11
        0
        1.
        They gave some clumsy statistics.

        I wrote:
        the competence of WHO is questionable.

        2.
        Where did you find these statistics?

        https://kronkolit.pro/voz-obnarodovala-statistiku-smertnosti-ot-zabolevaniy-v-mire/
      2. aleks26
        aleks26 21 October 2020 12: 30
        0
        Quote: Sentinel-vs
        They gave some clumsy statistics.

        Statistics - in general, a venal whore.
        The WHO data on mortality from various diseases around the world is like the average temperature in a hospital. In my region, half of the diseases on the list are not at all. But from covid, over the past 4 months, one and a half hundred people have already died.
    2. Digital error
      Digital error 21 October 2020 21: 28
      0
      Quote: BAI
      hello to the Pension Fund!

      for this remark - special thanks hi
      Quote: BAI
      Wealthy people recover. 100%

      well, maybe not 100, but 90% of the old people. also paid attention to this yes
    3. Mimoprohodil
      Mimoprohodil 22 October 2020 10: 08
      0
      As of March 2020, no more than 19 people died from COVID-56 in the world every day
      COVID-19 appeared in January-February. You can make a sign in August 2019, and no more than 19 people died there every day from COVID-0.
  • Baloo
    Baloo 21 October 2020 11: 53
    +2
    And the deadly SARS-CoV-2 itself turned out to be a flu - too common, but I don't want to admit it either.
    fool
    author -> author -> author, work as an orderly in the intensive care unit of a covid hospital before thinking like this.
    Remind me how many died from SARS-CoV-2? As of October 20 - 1 million 117 thousand 572 people. What precision! But still almost seven times less than hunger.
    laughing
    What statistics are you talking about? Are you sure all deaths from the crown are recorded?
    1. Humpty
      Humpty 21 October 2020 14: 43
      +1
      Quote: Balu
      author -> author -> author, work as an orderly in the intensive care unit of a covid hospital before thinking like this.

      With difficulty I tried to be polite to the authors. There is still a woman there. But to the uncle, the author mentally wanted to apply methods of gross violence associated with isolation from society.
      Quote: Balu
      What statistics are you talking about? Are you sure all deaths from the crown are recorded?

      In a number of "states" known to me, the statistics on deaths were blatantly reduced by several times.
  • yehat2
    yehat2 21 October 2020 12: 00
    +1
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    And they all publish regulations that contradict the legislation of the Russian Federation

    the bureaucratic apparatus controls itself, so they can issue any laws that are convenient for the apparatus as a whole. Don't give a damn about the constitution or other supposedly superior documents.
    The patch request just won't get through. And even if it comes, no one will control the execution of the court order.
    For example, now the courts do not control the observance of the rights of divorced fathers to see their children.
    It is PROFITABLE for the state.
  • Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 21 October 2020 12: 24
    +4
    If a person dies, he will die anyway, and not necessarily from the coronavirus .. laughing ..And so ... in all capitalist countries, they have optimized medicine .. And here is the result .. I still remember the time when a team of doctors came to our work and poked us vaccinations for almost 10 diseases for the next 15 years and with I left with a sense of accomplishment ... And now, the rescue of the drowning is the work of the drowning themselves ..
  • yehat2
    yehat2 21 October 2020 12: 42
    +2
    Quote: Lannan Shi
    And for the authorities and for the country will be the last.

    in conditions when all the resources are collected from the elite and logistically cut off from the population, its end will be when society cannot exist at all without a forcible selection of power.
    Therefore, the system is still alive. every single piece is not self-sufficient and a lot of systematic efforts are needed on the way to real independence, and it is desirable to have time to do everything in the summer.
    In such conditions, it is easy to suppress individual foci. And the system will live until the general wave of events overwhelms. And in this case, she has time to maneuver - as happened when Yeltsin was replaced by Putin.
    And the authorities are well aware of this, killing at the root any sprouts of real self-government.
  • Alex66
    Alex66 21 October 2020 13: 39
    +3
    If wearing a mask is a duty, you have to put up with it for a while, if only in order not to provoke others. Well, yes, most wear masks for several months and wear them so as not to fall under the distribution of punishing authorities. Everything is like in the worst version of the USSR, the authorities pretend that they are fighting the virus, we are carrying out its decrees.
    1. Digital error
      Digital error 21 October 2020 21: 37
      +2
      Quote: Alex66
      most wear masks for several months

      the same dirty to black greasy masks - so you should be understood?
  • ee2100
    ee2100 21 October 2020 13: 58
    +2
    It is difficult to say how many specialists there are, i.e. doctors. Many give reasons or information from personal life or personal communication, and some from the media.
    It should be noted that the WHO itself recognized the quarantine measures introduced in the spring as excessive. And recently he has opposed the introduction of lockdowns.
    The Ministry of Health of the Russian Federation put the wearing of protective masks as a means of personal protection in the last 5th place out of 5 in the prevention of Covid. Wearing gloves is required only (never heard of anywhere else) in the Russian Federation.
    In the USSR there was a section of medicine called "sanitary education". This is what is missing now.
    The fact that this situation is beneficial to a certain part of the business is clear to everyone. It is especially beneficial for politicians.
    The pandemic of fear, supported by the media, is another confirmation of this. The opinion of experts is not taken into account. There are no parallels with seasonal influenza epidemics. Not profitable.
    Covid came to serious and for a long time, and this must be reconciled, and not rely on vaccines. And the sooner countries return to normal life, the better.
    1. Humpty
      Humpty 21 October 2020 15: 22
      -1
      Quote: ee2100
      Covid came to serious and for a long time and we must accept this, and not rely on vaccines

      Vaccines can save millions of lives.
      Quote: ee2100
      And the sooner countries return to normal life, the better.

      And the sooner the mass vaccination begins, the better.
      The concept of a normal life will change, at least for the next couple of years.
      1. ee2100
        ee2100 21 October 2020 17: 10
        +1
        Are you a doctor?
        1. Humpty
          Humpty 21 October 2020 17: 18
          +2
          Quote: ee2100
          Are you a doctor?

          The orderly in the forest. I carry in my inner pocket (so as not to freeze) dexamethasone and everyone who wants to eat 5-10 cu. intramuscularly. wink
          1. ee2100
            ee2100 21 October 2020 17: 27
            +2
            Does it help everyone?
            1. Humpty
              Humpty 21 October 2020 17: 35
              +1
              Quote: ee2100
              Does it help everyone?

              No, not everyone. But most of them even helped.
              1. ee2100
                ee2100 21 October 2020 18: 05
                +2
                Have a nice one you too!
                1. Humpty
                  Humpty 21 October 2020 18: 17
                  +1
                  Quote: ee2100
                  Have a nice one you too!

                  Thank you. Same to you .
          2. riwas
            riwas 22 October 2020 05: 46
            +1
            Who is what a lot.
            Brazilian scientists have come to the conclusion that the drug nitazoxanide is effective in treating patients with a new type of coronavirus infection. This was announced on Monday by the country's Minister of Science, Technology and Innovation, Markus Pontis.
            https://tass.ru/obschestvo/9760821
            The Medical Academy of the Crimean Federal University has developed a method for recovering the body for coronavirus survivors. For this, scientists suggested using a natural antioxidant - a concentrate of red Crimean grapes ("Enoant").
            https://rg.ru/2020/10/21/reg-ufo/uchenye-kfu-predlozhili-lechit-posledstviia-covid-19-koncentratom-vinograda.html
            Melatonin supplementation linked to good survival rates for severe COVID-19
            https://nauka.tass.ru/nauka/9753007
            Scientists from the Philippine Council for Health Research and Development have identified the potential beneficial effects of coconut oil in treating patients with coronavirus infection.
            https://nauka.tass.ru/nauka/9760593
            Scientists at the University of Hong Kong have found a new antiviral strategy to treat COVID-19. The study, published in the journal Nature Microbiology, is summarized in a press release on MedicalXpress.
            Researchers found that the drug ranitidine bismuth citrate (RBC, Pyloride), which is used against ulcers, is also effective against the SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus. The RBC targets the coronavirus protein helicase Nsp13, which is essential for the replication of the virus. It displaces zinc ions, suppressing the activity of helicase.
            https://lenta.ru/news/2020/10/16/anticovid/
            The Federal Biomedical Agency (FMBA) of Russia has patented an antiviral drug for the treatment of COVID-19. This was reported today by the FMBA.
            https://rg.ru/2020/10/14/institut-immunologii-fmba-razrabotal-lekarstvo-razrushaiushchee-koronavirus.html
            COVID-19 suppressive substance found in black pepper
            https://lenta.ru/news/2020/10/12/pepper/
            An international group of researchers from the United States and China conducted a series of experiments, during which they found out that the antioxidant catalase can have a positive effect on the body in three ways.
            https://ria.ru/20201001/koronavirus-1578033490.html
      2. Digital error
        Digital error 21 October 2020 21: 39
        +1
        Quote: Humpty
        the sooner the mass vaccination starts the better

        the faster it starts, the more forced it will be. I will abstain in the next year - I will look at you vaccinated.
        1. Alf
          Alf 21 October 2020 21: 58
          +3
          Quote: DigitalError
          I will abstain in the next year - I will look at you vaccinated.

          Vaccinate everyone in a row, God in heaven will recognize his own. laughing
      3. Varyag71
        Varyag71 26 October 2020 12: 03
        0
        Bill Gates, get over it.
  • AleBors
    AleBors 21 October 2020 18: 33
    +2
    All this is a big scam of the world scale. And in our country, it was expressed in the state's disregard for its own laws.
  • Shahno
    Shahno 21 October 2020 18: 44
    +1
    It is very likely that the situation with the virus was taken advantage of. And so to speak, everyone continues to develop the issue as they can, in their economic interests. The virus is just a pretext for manipulation, letting off steam, etc. ...
    One thing is clear, covid is an imaginary threat that everyone uses to their advantage. There is a possibility that someone has ridden this process. It remains to find out who benefits from it.
    1. Alf
      Alf 21 October 2020 20: 39
      +4
      Quote: Shahno
      One thing is clear, covid is an imaginary threat

      But they really die from it, and no medicine has yet been invented. But much more interesting is the fact that C19 is clearly artificial. The first outbreaks of the disease with the same symptoms occurred in the US Army back in 2015, but this information was quickly squeezed.
      1. Digital error
        Digital error 21 October 2020 21: 42
        +1
        Quote: Alf
        The first outbreaks of the disease with the same symptoms occurred in the US army back in 2015.

        my boss grabbed an unknown pneumonia in 2018. 4 months did not go to work. do you think - a foreign shpien - got infected from contacts with the Americans?
  • ratcatcher
    ratcatcher 22 October 2020 03: 37
    +1
    "The following figures are also well known: the risk of contracting the flu without a vaccine is 2,9%, with a vaccine - 0,9%." - and here I would like to see such "famous" figures as their source.
  • riwas
    riwas 22 October 2020 05: 31
    +1
    New "Recommendations for doctors on the prevention, diagnosis and treatment of Covid-19, 8.1 version from 01.10.2020" have been published
    https://static-0.minzdrav.gov.ru/system/attachments/attaches/000/052/219/original/Временные_МР_COVID-19_%28v.8.1%29.pdf?1601561462
    In them, hydroxychloroquine is still not excluded, although the WHO, and the whole world, have rejected it.

    FAS has agreed to the first two pharmaceutical manufacturers the maximum selling price for a drug for the treatment of COVID-19 with the international non-proprietary name favipiravir in the amount of 100 rubles per tablet.
    "After registering the maximum selling price for favipiravir, its cost per pack of 50 tablets in the constituent entities of the Russian Federation will be 5500 rubles, including VAT, excluding regional surcharges," the statement on the FAS website says.
    "Scientific" official article:
    "Efficacy and safety of favipiravir in mild to moderate COVID-19: results of a randomized trial"
    https://covid19-preprints.microbe.ru/files/231
  • Old warrior
    Old warrior 22 October 2020 10: 25
    +1
    "Always be in a mask, my Fate!" (C). Opperta "Princess of the Circus". The composer Imre Kalman was a genius visionary ... lol
  • Alexander Suvorov_2
    Alexander Suvorov_2 22 October 2020 12: 55
    +1
    Capitalism defends itself as best it can!
    A pandemic has been invented and every iron is shouting about covid -19. Financial bubbles are blowing all over the world, the likes of which have never been. Insoluble contradictions are aggravated. The world froze before an abyss.
    It is clear that the war is ahead and preparations are already underway. Xi warned his fighters for the second time (speaking to the Navy), and a year earlier in front of the soldiers. The collective West, accustomed to robbing and exterminating peoples, is looking for a way out of a difficult situation ..
  • Shahno
    Shahno 22 October 2020 18: 58
    +1
    Quote: Alf
    Quote: Shahno
    One thing is clear, covid is an imaginary threat

    But they really die from it, and no medicine has yet been invented. But much more interesting is the fact that C19 is clearly artificial. The first outbreaks of the disease with the same symptoms occurred in the US Army back in 2015, but this information was quickly squeezed.

    Despite a certain mortality in a comparative analysis, it is not comparable with cardiovascular, carcinomas, and hepatitis ..
    I think it is very correct to direct the funds allocated for the cure of coronary hysteria to the above groups of diseases ...
  • amr
    amr 25 October 2020 19: 50
    +1
    Quote: Hunter 2
    Albert, Envy is a Mortal Sin!
    We can't express thoughts - but put the minuses only with a bang! Well that's right, even if they start with the development of fine motor skills, like children damn it


    this is an indicator that such a stubborn, and just a minus to put already zapadlo!
    let alone write a comment revealing that all your three Russian authorities serve the interests of billionaires and also give explanations of who the working class is)))