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The series of patrol ships of project 22160 will be limited to six units

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The series of patrol ships of project 22160 will be limited to six units

Until 2023, the Black Sea Fleet will receive three more patrol ships of Project 22160, which are being completed at the Zelenodolsk Gorky Plant, the series is still limited to six corvettes. This was reported by TASS with reference to the statement of the general director of the Ak Bars corporation, Renat Mistakhov.


According to the general director, the series of patrol ships of Project 22160 is limited to six ships. Whether the Ministry of Defense will extend this series is still unknown.

Two ships have already been delivered within the framework of this project, one is in the final stages of testing. Subsequent ones will be rented annually. There are six of them in the series so far. All ships will be delivered by 2023

- said Mistakhov, adding that the construction of the corvettes "Sergei Kotov" (completion in Kerch), "Victor the Great" and "Nikolay Sipyagin" is currently underway.

All ships of the project 22160 are intended for the Black Sea fleet.

Recall that the lead patrol ship of this project, Vasily Bykov, was commissioned into the Black Sea Fleet on December 20, 2018. The first serial - "Dmitry Rogachev" - entered the Black Sea Fleet on June 11, 2019. The third ship of the series and the second serial "Pavel Derzhavin" was launched on February 21, 2019 in Kerch and is now being tested. Commissioning is scheduled for the end of the year.

The construction of the entire series of these ships was delayed due to import substitution of the power plant. All ships of the series, except for the head Vasily Bykov, on which the German MAN diesel gear units are installed, receive diesel gear units manufactured by the Kolomensky Zavod.

The patrol ship (corvette) of project 22160 has a displacement of 1700 tons and is capable of speeds up to 30 knots. The cruising range is 6000 miles, the autonomy is 60 days. The crew is 80 people. The Ka-27PS helicopter will be based on board. The corvettes are equipped with 76-mm artillery mount AK-176MA, anti-aircraft missile systems "Shtil-1" and "Gibka" and machine guns as standard armament. A place is provided for placing various modules (anti-ship missiles, missiles, electronic warfare, etc.), depending on the tasks being performed.
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  1. Vladimir1155
    Vladimir1155 20 October 2020 09: 48
    +7
    this series, like Buyan M, was closed, considered unsuccessful, the exit from the DMSD closed the series of karakurt, the future at sea for the submarine and coastal aviation with several auxiliary ships of the PMO PLO
    1. Hunter 2
      Hunter 2 20 October 2020 09: 53
      31
      Yes, and it's good that they closed it. 22160 is nothing more than a yacht with a cannon. We need to invest money in more serious projects!
      1. Lex_is
        Lex_is 20 October 2020 12: 58
        +3
        They simply designed thoughtlessly dragging all the modern trends of foreign OPVs, while implementing them very crookedly and nakosyach with seaworthiness.
        At the same time, in the west, OPVs were created for specific tasks, tactics and deployment regions that were important for them, with us, as usual, “We spied something and made you a wonderful weapon, now pound with him as you want figure out how you will use it. "
        1. Boris Chernikov
          Boris Chernikov 20 October 2020 13: 12
          0
          By the way, they also abandoned modularity ... And we have an MPC on the way on the basis of Karakurt, under it the capacities will just go
          1. Lex_is
            Lex_is 20 October 2020 13: 36
            +1
            By the way, they also abandoned modularity.

            No, they did not refuse, on the contrary, on OPV, almost all of them have container modules.
            On River-class Batch 2 - one of the main requirements was a powerful crane and the placement of 6 modules in the size of 20 foot containers (and to the detriment of many other things)
            Lürssen OPV80, 85, 90 - from two to 6 modules.
            Fassmer - "Potsdam" (BP81), "Bamberg" (BP82) and "Bad Düben" (BP83) - 5 20ft modules.
            KERSHIP OPV 80 - modules.

            There are quite interesting views on the use of modules and rationale, and everyone has their own views. But there, specifically, everything from the tasks of the fleet and tactics goes and justifies how, what, when and in cooperation with whom it will be used.
            1. Boris Chernikov
              Boris Chernikov 20 October 2020 13: 41
              -1
              so-so examples, more precisely "created ships", but why is it not clear, especially that compared to half of which even 22160 looks like the height of rationality .. The whole complaint about our patrolman is the lack of a normal set of containers with a target load
              1. Lex_is
                Lex_is 20 October 2020 13: 50
                0
                more precisely "created ships", but why is it not clear

                They have something quite understandable, you can write a whole long article on the same River, how what decision was justified and why it is needed, there are, by the way, a lot of interesting things, the same justification for abandoning a helicopter hangar, abandoning a 76mm gun, etc. ...
                1. Boris Chernikov
                  Boris Chernikov 20 October 2020 13: 54
                  +1
                  it is also written on the fence, and behind it there is firewood ... The fact is that a larger ship, not only is more expensive, so the range is lower, but I generally keep quiet about autonomy, as well as about the lack of weapons as a type, any combat boat will drown it with go ..
                  1. Lex_is
                    Lex_is 20 October 2020 14: 07
                    -1
                    a larger ship, not only is it more expensive, so the cruising range is lower, but I generally keep quiet about autonomy, as well as about the lack of weapons as a type, any combat boat will drown it on the move ..


                    Of all this, it is only true that it is much more expensive and much more expensive to operate.
                    The autonomy and seaworthiness of larger ships is much higher, and there is no need to talk about weapons.
                    1. Boris Chernikov
                      Boris Chernikov 20 October 2020 14: 20
                      -1
                      6 Not all ships sail for miles, but this is a separate conversation, here we are talking about the fact that the British were too smart ..
                      1. Lex_is
                        Lex_is 20 October 2020 15: 14
                        +1
                        Why did the Brits get too smart?
                        River batch 2 was created for specific tasks.
                        The main one: to ensure a constant presence in the waters of the overseas territories of the Falkland Islands and the Bahamas, where no armed enemy is foreseen, but it is necessary to look after and drive smugglers and fishermen and deploy frigates there is very expensive and redundant.
                        Additional tasks:
                        Combating smuggling and trafficking in persons (read refugees) and controlling shipping in the Mediterranean.
                        Assistance in controlling territorial waters and nearby economic zones.

                        But, so that in case of a difficult situation, expensive measures to ensure survivability are provided for them, the installation of the possibility of installing additional radars and container complexes to combat SeaFox mines, container towed GAS, etc., with the expectation that during hostilities and lack of forces , it was possible to quickly and cheaply equip them and make up for the lack of minesweepers and anti-submarine weapons.

                        Hence the requirements for autonomy and seaworthiness, and the rejection of a hangar and a refueling system in the air (they do not need a helicopter at crossings, and in the deployment area they use helicopters from coastal bases or when jointly deployed with UDC, they increase the operating area of ​​its helicopters) and the choice of a 30 mm gun (a tanker is still not enough to sink 75 mm, but an expensive target designation radar is needed for it, and 30 mm is enough for firing at fishermen and the bridge of merchant ships).
                      2. Boris Chernikov
                        Boris Chernikov 20 October 2020 16: 25
                        -1
                        as I said .. an incomprehensible shnyaga floating in the ocean .. which, in principle, can not perform any tasks, but it is certainly "better" than 22160 as you fill it here)
                      3. Lex_is
                        Lex_is 20 October 2020 18: 03
                        -1
                        incomprehensible shnyaga swimming in the ocean .. which in principle cannot perform any tasks

                        This shnyaga for relatively little money performs all the tasks for which it was created, in contrast to the creation of a gloomy genius called 22160, which in the end is not able to perform any task normally.

                        Well, yes, indeed, it is very strange that the Britons design their ships in order to close the tasks as cheaply and efficiently as possible and solve the problems of their fleet and not ours (as by the way, other countries) and when trying to crookedly copy their concepts (by the way, not quite and not only theirs) it turns out some kind of unknown mixture of a bulldog with a rhinoceros, for which there are no tasks.

                        What a hell of a Russian Navy, which does not have overseas territories and special economic zones for thousands of miles, as well as a critical dependence on sea transport in pirate-dangerous areas of the oceans; patrol ships of the far sea zone with stealth technologies, modularity and very strange weapons that are redundant for patrol and anti-piracy tasks and absolutely insufficient for a corvette?

                        What place and what the people who made the technical assignment for this miracle thought, I roughly understand, it is not clear what place the bright people who took this project for the Navy thought.
    2. Nemchinov Vl
      Nemchinov Vl 21 October 2020 14: 26
      +1
      Quote: Lex_is
      ... now hammer with it as you want and think about how you will use it. "
      "Glowworm" how in WOT...?!
      1. Lex_is
        Lex_is 21 October 2020 15: 55
        -1
        Well, yes, you can use it for escort. smile
        Only a very expensive "firefly" turned out.
        1. Nemchinov Vl
          Nemchinov Vl 22 October 2020 11: 24
          0
          Quote: Lex_is
          ... Well, yes, you can use it for escort.
          Only a very expensive "firefly" turned out
          what's so ?! if in the position of "weapon tracking", being next to the order (KUG / AUG) adversary, he manages to blow out the control center for, say, "Marshal Ustinov" and "Peter the Great", and unexpectedly pouring into the KUG 36 "Granites and Volcanoes", from ships located 470-550 km away ?! ... would it be unreasonably expensive to use such a firefly ... ? !!
  • g1v2
    g1v2 20 October 2020 12: 27
    -1
    Why's that. Karakurt in the future will have to change not only the old MRK, but also the missile boats. For the Baltic Fleet, Black Sea Fleet and Pacific Fleet, the ordered quantity is extremely small. Well, and 22160 I would order at least things for the Pacific Fleet 3. The Pacific region is large - they have a lot of work there.
    1. Boris Chernikov
      Boris Chernikov 20 October 2020 13: 13
      -1
      laughing Well, ideally, in general, all RKs, MRKs and IPCs would be replaced by a single IPC project with missile weapons based on Karakurt ...
      1. g1v2
        g1v2 20 October 2020 20: 09
        +1
        The MPK has a different purpose. In fact, they are being replaced by the 2038x corvettes. They ordered another six more at the ASCZ. to slowly change them the Pacific Fleet.
        1. Boris Chernikov
          Boris Chernikov 21 October 2020 09: 19
          -1
          I am aware of the tasks, but the fleet needs missiles and work on boats .. therefore "MPK with missiles" is a very good option, therefore Ak Bars, for example, offers a skr cheetah with calibers
          1. g1v2
            g1v2 21 October 2020 09: 38
            0
            The Navy now has a very successful combination in BMZ - MRK - Corvette 2038x. One is a cheap platform with expensive rockets. The second is a defense ship with good air defense and powerful air defense. What is the point of creating a zoo if these two ships are being built quite normally? Deploying a new project from scratch is not a fig, not an economy. It is long and expensive. It is much more profitable to change the MPC for more powerful and serious corvettes 2038x. request
            And the Akbars model is primarily suitable for export. Vietnam liked the cheetahs. It is quite possible to try to sell their anti-submarine version to him. In the end, the PRC is near.
            1. Nemchinov Vl
              Nemchinov Vl 21 October 2020 14: 36
              0
              Quote: g1v2
              The second is a defense ship with good air defense and powerful air defense.
              ?! a rally ?! how to carry out PLO corvette 20380 ?! and air defense at a distance of more than 50 km., without the Poliment antenna (read the presence of a number of fr. 22350) ?! ... and this at its PRICE ?!
            2. Boris Chernikov
              Boris Chernikov 21 October 2020 20: 21
              -1
              the problem is that the real rate of construction of corvettes in the region is 1 ship per year, provided that they are being built by quite large 2 shipyards .. and MRKs are being built at a rate of 2-3 ships per year, and taking into account the patrolmen, we are talking about 4 ships in year, so if it turns out to cram PLO into the karakurt, then the Navy in 6 years from the moment of laying without any problems will receive 10 MPK / mini-corvettes for those 6 corvettes that are now being built, and if the fleet throws a price for speed, then 12-14 no problem..
              1. g1v2
                g1v2 21 October 2020 20: 55
                +1
                Well, let's start with the fact that no one uses the MPK except us. And whether there is any sense in a plane without a helicopter is also questionable. Too narrow specialization. And corvettes can protect both from aviation and from airplanes and from the cr. This is a much more versatile ship. Again, we already have a problem with the engines, which slows down the production of karakurt. And for the good, we, in addition to the ordered MRK, must eventually change all the old gadflies and missile boats. request
                The pace of building corvettes can be increased. The same ASCZ was put in order for a long time because of its extreme debt load. There, the factory workers stupidly extinguished debts from the money allocated for the construction of ships. And you can understand them. The plant in bankruptcy is unlikely to build anything at all. Now the plant is reaching a normal pace. It is quite possible to hand over a corvette per year. 2 he passed. One is on trial, one is under construction. Another 1 have been ordered. You have to understand that creating a new project even for an IPC is not a fig not fast. Expand serial construction, even with the unification of some units with karakurt - even more so. The Pacific Fleet will receive its new six corvettes in any way faster than these MPKs would have received.
                Well, from Severnaya Verf, in my opinion, it is better to transfer the construction of corvettes to Yantar. She and with frigates to build a lot. Plus she has a large order for fishing boats.
                1. Boris Chernikov
                  Boris Chernikov 22 October 2020 09: 02
                  -1
                  better, the enemy of the good ... the corvettes, as they built 1 per year, will continue to build, no one will use new capacities - Amber is modernizing the TFR and is clearly not eager to get involved in troubles with corvettes. About "well, no one uses the IPC", and many countries use missile ships a la MRK? For me, it's easier to spend a couple of years and work out the production scheme for Karakurt with PLO, and then get 3 ships a year to replace those 50 -60 IPC, RK, RTO for a single universal project, than continue to be perverted and have several projects ..
                  1. g1v2
                    g1v2 22 October 2020 22: 03
                    0
                    It is impossible to make MPK out of Karakurt. My IMHO. Can be made unified with Karakurt MPK. That is, it will be a completely new project one and a half times more. And again, is an MPK needed without a helicopter? And do you really need an MPC? Plus I don’t believe in 3 pieces per year either. IPC is much more complicated than MRK. It will also take a long time to build. Corvettes 2038x he definitely cannot replace. At least due to the lack of serious air defense and a helicopter. And while the project is still being created, the head ICC will be built in iron - all the corvettes for the Pacific Fleet will be built. My IMHO should not suffer from garbage, but it is necessary to accelerate the construction of corvettes, embroidering bottlenecks. How many corvettes do we need? My IMHO. Pieces of 12 for 4 fleets maximum. Moreover, for the Northern Fleet either 20386 or at least 20385 are needed. The minimum is 6 each for the Black Sea Fleet and the Baltic Fleet, and 12 each for ocean fleets. That is, 36-48 pieces. There are now 6. Plus 2 on trials and will pass soon. Another 4 are under construction. This is already a quarter of the high or a third of the low. We can build them for years, so we can concentrate their construction on Yantar and ASSP, in my opinion, it is logical. And let the northern shipyard concentrate on frigates. We need 15 of them minimum, 30 - maximum. Thus, 3 shipyards will specialize in specific types of ships and will be able to speed up and reduce the cost of their construction due to the fact of the conveyor production, as is the case at the Admiralty shipyards with Warsaw women. request
                    And what about mrk, so what is he? An overgrown missile boat. A cheap platform for expensive rockets. Many countries use missile boats. Another thing is that no one has missiles like ours yet. request
                    1. Boris Chernikov
                      Boris Chernikov 23 October 2020 14: 00
                      -1
                      always touches the phrase "accelerate the pace" ... um ... HOW? can you tell me? and even more touches when, without even trying to think, sweep aside other ideas ... well, because they like the corvette) keep your IMHO with you ... really .. And then it turns out funny .. following your "brilliant" logic .. 12 corvettes for 4 fleets is better than 50 IPC for the same 4 fleets ... and you have a corvette for 4 IPC comes in) About 20386 .. thank you , Mines on you). About the situation at the shipyards I wrote above, do not read it, read it .. By the way .. In general, your IMHO, to put it mildly, and next to reality is not worth it ..
                    2. g1v2
                      g1v2 23 October 2020 14: 08
                      +1
                      Actually, there was also a pretext for software. 12 pieces each. request But if mine doesn’t interest you, then why are you writing? This concludes the dispute. Well, the opinion of Klimov, he is a mine on most issues, did not interest me, and does not interest me.
                    3. Boris Chernikov
                      Boris Chernikov 25 October 2020 12: 36
                      -1
                      Let's start with the fact that they cannot do more than 1 per year at the moment, and even if they give birth to 2 corvettes a year, it is doubtful that 48 corvettes will be built "only" for 24 years .. which in itself is not acceptable at this stage .. oh yes .. suppose that "MPK-karakurt" will be built for the same 4 years, (although all the complexity is temporary limited opportunities for the supply of engines), then in 5 years we still get annual deliveries of 4 ships per year, that is ... in 5 years, the rate of construction of ships with a plane from "1-2 ships per year" grows to "5-6 ships per year", which makes it possible not only to cover the needs of the fleet for ASW in a few years, but also significantly strengthen the fleet in terms of strike capabilities , because each MPK will carry from 4 PKR, taking into account that 4 more are torpedoes .. Can it be enough to suffer garbage to have 29 MPK and 33 RC and MRK? And to build a universal project and launch a series of 60 ships?
  • rudolff
    rudolff 20 October 2020 13: 35
    +3
    And what kind of work would it be for them at the Pacific Fleet?
    1. Beregovic_1
      Beregovic_1 20 October 2020 14: 30
      +6
      Repaint in white and blue, write "BOHR" and chase the Japanese fishermen. They are not suitable for anything else.
      1. rudolff
        rudolff 20 October 2020 14: 57
        +2
        Yes, as a first rank PSKR, it is quite a normal ship. The border guards would be happy. Although slow-moving. The ship does not give the declared maximum speed. But there is a place for the turntable.
      2. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 20 October 2020 17: 57
        +1
        Quote: Beregovyhok_1
        Repaint in white and blue, write "BOHR" and chase the Japanese fishermen. They are not suitable for anything else.

        The border guards already have a zoo - with their fish protection vessels and former customs. I'm afraid they will refuse 22160 and ask for either 22100 or 22460.
        1. Beregovic_1
          Beregovic_1 20 October 2020 20: 57
          0
          So give them (border guards) at once a brigade of the same type of ships for one theater, for example, Kamchatka. No zoo! And the speed of fish scows will be enough. Slip just a stupid brew .... Put a normal crane manipulator and a pair of BL-690 for inspection parties.
    2. g1v2
      g1v2 20 October 2020 20: 21
      +2
      Observe the exercises in the region, the demonstration of the flag from Korea to Chile, anti-piracy activities in the region of Indonesia and Malaysia. Escorting military cargo in case of its possible interception and arrest. Serve as hospitals, drive to various joint exercises and humanitarian missions. Transfer of MTR groups and private traders to the regions of interest to us in South and Latin America. Patrolling in areas of interest to us in the oceans. In general, the whole array of daily tasks of the fleet, which is too expensive to drive ships of the first and second rank, of which we already have few. request The region is huge, you can't send small ships - there won't be enough autonomy. You can't even send 20380 corvettes. Large ships in the Pacific Fleet are old and their resource is finite. Killing them on a routine basis is too expensive and wasteful. And I will add - too noticeable.
      Well, in case of war - this is either plus one corvette or plus one MRK, depending on which container will be delivered. request
  • marchcat
    marchcat 20 October 2020 09: 56
    16
    With such weapons, what are the 80 crew members doing there?
    1. Shkworen
      Shkworen 20 October 2020 10: 19
      +1
      I'm also interested in it, it's also small in size :)
    2. seregin-s1
      seregin-s1 20 October 2020 11: 51
      +1
      Crew 28 people (up to 80 people with additional crew)
    3. musorg
      musorg 20 October 2020 11: 58
      0
      The sauna is good there!
  • KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 20 October 2020 10: 01
    +8
    closed and closed ... anti-piracy patrolmen are an extra luxury for our fleet ... and six are a lot
    1. Hermit21
      Hermit21 20 October 2020 11: 09
      +2
      Well, yes, it is much better to drive the resource of the BOD or frigates. Let it be better to have several such ships for similar tasks than to distract other units. And tests of containers with additional weapons and equipment are already underway
      1. KVU-NSVD
        KVU-NSVD 20 October 2020 11: 13
        +2
        Quote: Hermit21
        And the tests of containers with additional equipment and equipment are already underway

        Yes ? And where ?
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 20 October 2020 18: 47
          +1
          Quote: KVU-NSVD
          Yes ? And where ?

          By the end of the summer, the Russian Navy will begin testing new combat modules based on conventional sea containers. This was reported by Izvestia with reference to the RF Ministry of Defense.
          Tests of combat modules based on conventional 20- and 40-foot sea containers will take place at the Northern Fleet's maritime ranges and should be completed by the end of this year. Details of the upcoming tests were not disclosed.

          In short, there are no deadlines, no details.
      2. rudolff
        rudolff 20 October 2020 13: 33
        +2
        And you can also build special warships to rescue chinstrap penguins and wait for the opportunity to use them. Much better than driving the resource of the BOD or frigates.
      3. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 20 October 2020 18: 43
        +1
        Quote: Hermit21
        Well, yes, it is much better to drive the resource of the BOD or frigates. Let it be better to have several such ships for similar tasks than to distract other units.

        There is nothing at all to engage in this imitation of violent activity. For the anti-piracy service, there are groups of PMCs on board ships.
        If the Navy still wants to fight against pirates, let them order normal ships, and not these overgrown boats, capable of working normally as a standard DSL only in calm weather.

        Quote: Hermit21
        And the tests of containers with additional equipment and equipment are already underway

        The lead ship of the series has been in service since December 20, 2018. Two years have passed, but there are still no modules for the ship accepted by the Navy.
        1. Lex_is
          Lex_is 20 October 2020 19: 04
          -1
          And most importantly, there is no answer to a simple question: "Why was it necessary to design container modules on it for a standard set of weapons for a near-field ship?"
          1. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 20 October 2020 19: 19
            +1
            Quote: Lex_is
            And most importantly, there is no answer to a simple question: "Why was it necessary to design container modules on it for a standard set of weapons for a near-field ship?"

            Moreover, in terms of composition, they do not overlap the range of tasks of the near-field ship. First of all - on air defense (BMZ ship must be able to fight off 1-2 anti-ship missiles). What module 22160 will do this? "Calm" - then it will not fit.
  • Name Surname
    Name Surname 20 October 2020 10: 08
    12
    Thank God refused, common sense prevailed
  • Eldorado
    Eldorado 20 October 2020 10: 10
    +8
    And thank God!
    This is not a battleship, but a shalanka with a cannon!
    Let the Zelenodolds take up the construction of normal corvettes!
    1. Name Surname
      Name Surname 20 October 2020 12: 00
      +1
      or IPC normal design
    2. Boris Chernikov
      Boris Chernikov 20 October 2020 13: 14
      0
      normal they will not pull in capacity, but MPKashki based on Karakurt or Cheetah are already trying to sell MO
      1. Eldorado
        Eldorado 20 October 2020 13: 59
        0
        No, 20380/20385 will be enough!
        1. Boris Chernikov
          Boris Chernikov 20 October 2020 14: 01
          0
          I haven't heard of the possibility of their construction yet, but at the last exhibition / forum, the idea of ​​rocket Cheetahs, as before, the idea of ​​anti-submarine Karakurt was voiced ... the whole idea is that the fleet wanted corvettes / frigates, but there are big problems with the speed of their construction, so that Yantar was transferred to the modernization of the BOD, and they began to discuss the idea of ​​building a "super-MPK" with vertical structures, since there are a number of shipyards that can be included in this topic ..
    3. rudolff
      rudolff 20 October 2020 13: 28
      0
      MO did not order. And they could build normal Cheetahs.
  • krab3333
    krab3333 20 October 2020 10: 25
    +2
    There is an error in the article. SAM Shitl-1 is not installed on it.
  • The Siberian barber
    The Siberian barber 20 October 2020 10: 35
    -3
    Sabotage, for the Russian Navy ..
  • Escobar
    Escobar 20 October 2020 10: 38
    0
    Is it calm?
    1. seregin-s1
      seregin-s1 20 October 2020 12: 02
      0
      Optionally, the air defense of ships can be represented by the 12-channel Shtil-1 anti-aircraft missile system with 24 9M317E missiles. The complex does not have its own radar; it receives information about the target from the ship’s three-coordinate radar. The fire control system includes radio transmitters for target illumination, a computer complex, optoelectronic sighting devices, a control and information display system. The fire control system is mounted in the superstructures of the ship and allows you to fire in any azimuthal directions.
      Shtil-1 uses the 9M317ME missile, which is a modification of the 9M317 Buk missile.
      1. Beregovic_1
        Beregovic_1 20 October 2020 14: 37
        +2
        And how will radio correction be implemented if there are no nuts and radar? Or all missiles with ARLGSN? Guidance channels are provided by radar or "nuts". If they are not there, then only missiles with an active homing head, or by illumination from other ships (again, if it is written in software) can be used. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this trough cannot even carry an optional air defense.
      2. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 20 October 2020 18: 53
        +1
        Quote: seregin-s1
        Optionally, the ships' air defense can be represented by the 12-channel Shtil-1 anti-aircraft missile system with 24 9M317E missiles.

        For those ordered by their relatives, the MO cannot. For the seat of the bow module, where the "Calm" is theoretically placed, is already occupied on the ships ordered by the Ministry of Defense.
        Quote: donavi49
        You can not put Calm. No place. In the ordered execution there premises. Maximum container with X-35 / Caliber.

        That is, there is nowhere to put even UVP under the SAM. But the air defense system is not only a missile defense system, there is also a need for radars. Moreover, the anti-aircraft missile system of the "Calm" is equipped with a semi-active radar seeker, so the illumination will also be needed.
  • Lex_is
    Lex_is 20 October 2020 12: 43
    +1
    That the series was closed is very good.
    That they spent a lot of money for the construction of 6 ships, with such amazing seaworthiness and ease of use, is very bad. Was it really impossible to build one, conduct sea trials, burst into tears, and forget about this project as a nightmare?
    1. Boris Chernikov
      Boris Chernikov 20 October 2020 13: 16
      0
      another question is how soon the modules for it will be made in the same anti-submarine direction and forward ..
      1. Lex_is
        Lex_is 20 October 2020 13: 45
        0
        PLO modules are of course good and necessary, but they will not make it a full-fledged PLO ship and cannot do it.
        Modularity (container) should be viewed exclusively from the point of view of obtaining a ship from a relatively cheap, but very necessary for solving many peacetime tasks, in the event of a major conflict, an ersatz IPC, an ersatz minesweeper, etc.
        1. Boris Chernikov
          Boris Chernikov 20 October 2020 13: 47
          0
          we are not talking about how to completely alter, but about having ships, to make them useful as they were created during design, but this is how to develop a rocket launcher, but not to produce missiles for it, and then declare that the installation is bad)
          1. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 21 October 2020 14: 23
            0
            Quote: Boris Chernikov
            we are not talking about how to completely remake, but about having ships, making them useful as they were created during the design

            When designing, they were created useful for the FSB. For 22160 was originally designed as a PSKR.
            And the modules on it were originally envisaged, the PMSM, only as a mobvariant of weapons - so that the border guards did not carry the entire service of the weapon systems they did not need.
            Plus, there is one problem with PLO - you need to change the standard GAS, which is only suitable for detecting PDSS. One towed "Minotaur" cannot solve all the problems, and 22160 does not have a second slot for GAS.
            1. Boris Chernikov
              Boris Chernikov 21 October 2020 20: 23
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              remind me who financed the project, who bought it ... and yes, why should the border guards have a 6-mile range?
  • ZEMCH
    ZEMCH 20 October 2020 13: 22
    +1
    According to the general director, the series of patrol ships of Project 22160 is limited to six ships. Whether the Ministry of Defense will extend this series is still unknown.

    It's time for the Ministry of Defense to decide HOW to apply them, and not to extend the series
  • rudolff
    rudolff 20 October 2020 13: 25
    +2
    Optimally, transfer all these six to the border guards, they belong there.
    1. Boris Chernikov
      Boris Chernikov 20 October 2020 13: 48
      -1
      and since when did our border guards go 6 miles and start sitting on board for 000 months?
      1. rudolff
        rudolff 20 October 2020 13: 55
        +3
        This ship was originally designed for border guards.
        1. Boris Chernikov
          Boris Chernikov 20 October 2020 13: 57
          0
          I wonder who told you this game? This project was primarily created as an answer to the problem of piracy, because to drive BODs and nuclear cruisers to graze the area from game pirates, therefore the power reserve is huge, therefore, the autonomy is wild in comparison with the size and the reserve of space for marines .. containers tried to solve the question "what to do with them then" .. but the container has not yet been brought up .. from the optimal use of the patrolman as the base of the PLO helicopter and the control center of the IPC group in the area
          1. rudolff
            rudolff 20 October 2020 14: 50
            +4
            Go to the site of the Zelenodolsk plant named after Gorky, there this "game" is described in detail.
            MAIN OBJECTIVES OF THE SHIP:
            - Border patrol service for the protection of territorial waters;
            -patrolling 200 - mile special economic zone in neutral and territorial waters;
            - the suppression of smuggling and piracy;
            -search and assistance to victims of maritime disasters;
            -ecological monitoring of the environment;
            -in wartime: the protection of ships and vessels at sea crossings, the protection of naval bases and water areas in order to warn of an attack by various enemy forces and equipment.
            The ship was designed even before the problem of the Somali pirates and especially for the border guards. Why this ship ended up in the Navy is a matter of competence of the military prosecutor's office.
          2. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 20 October 2020 19: 16
            +1
            Quote: Boris Chernikov
            They tried to solve the question "what to do with them later" with containers

            We tried to solve the issue with containers: how can we turn the PSKR, bought by the commander-in-chief, into something suitable for the fleet... For the same purpose, it was planned to plant the blasted Ka-22160 with anti-ship missiles on 52.
            The factory list of tasks solved by 22160 is a pure PSKR. And the Navy, no matter how hard it tried, could not move away from the tasks of the PSKR:

            - "the new patrol ships of the project 22160 modular type refer to ships of the 3rd rank and intended for the protection and protection of the maritime economic zone, participation in the search and assistance to victims of maritime disasters, in the protection of ships at sea crossing, naval bases and water areas in order to warn of an attack by a potential enemy ";
            - "ships of the project 22160 are intended for protection and protection of the maritime economic zone, and in the event of hostilities - to ensure the stability of the forces and facilities of the fleet during the defense of the basing areas. They are also called upon to carry out the tasks of escort, anti-piracy and search and rescue activities ";
            © Navy Commander Admiral V. Korolev
            The problem is that the FSB is legally engaged in the protection and protection of the MEZ. Not the Navy.
      2. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 20 October 2020 18: 55
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        Quote: Boris Chernikov
        and since when did our border guards go 6 miles and start sitting on board for 000 months?

        Since 2009 - PSKR pr. 22100.
  • Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 20 October 2020 17: 52
    +1
    Until 2023, the Black Sea Fleet will receive three more patrol ships of Project 22160, which are being completed at the Zelenodolsk Gorky Plant, the series is still limited to six corvettes.

    Hallelujah! Has it really happened, and this pseudo-modular misunderstanding was buried?
  • Old Bolshevik
    Old Bolshevik 21 October 2020 11: 12
    -2
    The armament of the Russian Federation depends entirely on the Russian Federation's revenues from oil and gas. If the price of slurry drops to $ 10 per barrel, you will be glad to see wooden rowing galleys.
  • Oleg Kievlyanin
    Oleg Kievlyanin 21 October 2020 20: 17
    0
    I’m not a sea wolf, I didn’t serve in the Navy, but maybe they are experimenting?