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German communists against Gorbachev, Kohl and Bush

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German communists against Gorbachev, Kohl and Bush

True to Thälmann's cause



The liquidation of the GDR, carried out by the leaders of the USSR, the FRG and the United States under the spectacular cover of the unification of Germany twenty years ago, did not lead to the self-destruction of the communist movement there. Today, few people will remember that the West German Communist Party at certain stages of its existence had, perhaps, greater authority and influence than the East German branch of the CPSU.

Soviet analysts generally diligently hid such facts. There is no GDR, there is no its Communist Party (SED), so there is nothing to talk about. The communists of West Germany, who considered themselves the real heirs of the case of Ernst Thälmann and Otto Grotewohl, have been silenced by the Soviet media since 1988.


Otto Grotewohl, not the most famous of the "architects" of the GDR

The pro-Soviet GKP, the German Communist Party operating in the FRG, received in September 1989 a direct order from the Kremlin to stigmatize the GDR and especially its leadership. Party members were so discouraged that they accepted the disintegration as a fact, in fact, self-dissolution by the spring of 1990.

At the same time, another German Communist Party, the Marxist-Leninist KKE / ML, which existed in the FRG since March 1968, managed to survive, despite the powerful pressure of pro-capitalist propaganda. It operates to this day and has even enlarged its ranks with thousands of "refugees" from the SED and the GKP.

This party was created with the assistance of Beijing and Tirana, but with Moscow's complete silence. It arose at the end of 1967 on the basis of an orthodox faction subjected to harsh ostracism, when it was she who was accused of "conniving at Soviet revisionism and the Kremlin's duplicity in relation to the GDR."

It's a paradox, but now this party is trying with all its might to preserve its heritage. At its first congress in March 1968 in Dortmund, timed to coincide with the 15th anniversary of Stalin's death, the KKE / ML announced the all-German geography of its activities. With the inclusion of the German Democratic Republic and West Berlin. And also about the fidelity of the line that Ernst Thälmann once drew for her.


Monument to Ernst Thälmann in Moscow

The KKE / ML even today condemns the puppet role of the pro-Kremlin Communist Party of the Federal Republic of Germany in helping to destroy the GDR. The agreement of the USSR and a number of other socialist countries with German revanchism is also sharply criticized, which, we recall, was reflected in the notorious treaties of those countries with the Federal Republic of Germany in the early 70s (see. 1975 Helsinki Act. Albanian "exception").

Broken axis Moscow - Berlin


At the end of 1988, and then in September 1989, the KKE / ML suggested that the SED leadership unite into one party in order to more effectively resist the “Gorbachev treachery” and defend the GDR. But in East Berlin, most likely, taking into account the prompts from Moscow, they did not dare to take these steps.

The ideological comrades-in-arms did not even agree to hold a conference of these two parties in the GDR, which was also proposed by the communists of West Germany, who did not hide their admiration for Stalin and Mao. Apparently, the notorious Erich Honecker and others like him did not even allow the thought that Moscow would betray the GDR. And in vain.

The Soviet leadership, naturally, long before that was irritated by the presence of such a party in the FRG. Already in 1972-1973. Moscow and East Berlin created a pro-Soviet faction in the KKE / ML, which split this party.

In the mid-70s, the Stasi succeeded in identifying and arresting over 150 illegal representatives of the KKE / ML in the GDR, who circulated proclamations denouncing “the consent of the Soviet revisionists and their puppets to German revanchism”.

The KKE / ML, not without reason, believed that this is quite consistent with "Moscow's encouragement of West German colonization of the GDR." The proclamations also spoke of the "need to create a single truly communist party throughout Germany - with the participation of true Marxist-Leninists of the FRG, the GDR and West Berlin."

In addition, the KKE / ML refused to "withdraw" from the GDR and supported Beijing's position in connection with military border conflicts on the Sino-Soviet border. And also, like the PRC, along with Albania and Romania, publicly condemned the entry of the Warsaw Pact troops into Czechoslovakia in 1968.

Orthodox communists called it "the political bankruptcy of Soviet revisionism, the discrediting of socialism and international equality." Particularly sharply criticized was the participation of the GDR army in that intervention:

Moscow is deliberately reanimating the enmity between peoples and communists by engaging the army of the revisionist GDR in this invasion. Thus, Moscow, deliberately reminding Czechoslovakia of its occupation by the Nazis in 1939, just as deliberately provokes enmity between the Czechoslovak people and the GDR.


Farewell to the GDR


As for the last years of the existence of the GDR, the cells of the same party were recreated there in the mid-80s, when, under the influence of well-known events in the USSR, repression by the Stasi noticeably weakened. By the middle of 1989, at least 700 members of the SED had joined the KKE / ML: they were communists with 20 and 30 years of experience, workers of a number of large factories, veterans of the GDR.

According to some reports, the renaissance of the already semi-legal Stalinist-Maoist communist movement in East Germany at that time became possible thanks to the support of the PRC, Albania, Romania and North Korea. At the same time, the ideological foundations of the KKE / ML, judging by its statements in the 70s - 80s, have not changed at all:

We expose the treason of the German revisionists Ulbricht and Honecker, whose puppet course will lead to the elimination of the GDR and the revival of pro-Nazi revanchism. In Rostock, Magdeburg, Frankfurt an der Oder, Karl-Marx-Stadt, Dresden, Leipzig, Gera, Halle, genuine communists are fighting against the anti-popular regime of Honecker, a lackey of Moscow ...
Socialism in the GDR is a deception, it is the disguised domination of capital, while in the FRG and West Berlin it is the undisguised domination of capital. Communist political prisoners in the GDR clearly show the real face of so-called real socialism. At the same time, starting from about 1986, without the resistance of Honecker and his fellow party members, Moscow's policy of assisting the absorption of the GDR by West Germany was strengthened.

According to the network resources of the KKE / ML, a section of this party in the GDR illegally published its own newspaper called Roter Blitz (Red Lightning), which until 1981 was called Roter Morgen - Ausgabe der Sektion DDR (Red Sunrise) , publication of a section in the GDR).


However, the section was largely destroyed by the Stasi back in the early 1980s. But a large cell in Magdeburg managed to hold out and reorganized into the East German sector of the party in 1989.

The current assessments by the German communists-Stalinists of the causes of the destruction of the GDR remain the same as in the 60s and 90s. At the same time, they accuse the now united Germany of "a creeping restoration of revanchism", of "neo-colonial politics in Eastern Europe", of "an effort to direct the European Union and NATO to reanimate German militarism."

And the former GDR is now characterized by them as "an internal colony of West German capital and a launching pad for creeping revanchism": this is exactly the case, judging by the official data on the socio-economic situation in the former Germany and the GDR (except for Berlin), as well as in more and more numerous branches in the eastern lands of at least ten revanchist organizations of the former FRG.

KKE / ML now has a representative office in 40 municipalities in Germany (against 32 in the mid-90s, including 16 in the former FRG). She also founded in the early 80s the "Communist Youth Union of Germany", which now numbers up to 230 thousand people. This party maintains ties with the DPRK and, according to fragmentary data, with the PRC and Cuba.
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  1. parusnik
    parusnik 21 October 2020 05: 58
    +6
    Yeah ... it's hard for the world communist movement now, it is still split ... Yes, and in Russia it is no better ..
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 21 October 2020 08: 21
      +7
      Quote: parusnik
      ..... it's hard now for the world communist movement ....., ..Yes, in Russia it is no better ..
      protest movements have always been difficult. Only now opponents are improving and studying.
      It seems to me that the article could have been larger. At least a sequel appeared as soon as possible. It would be nice to learn something new about the "Red Army Faction" too.
      1. Blacksmith 55
        Blacksmith 55 21 October 2020 08: 55
        +1
        Faction of the Red Army (Rote Armee Fraktion), this is another level, these are terrorists. With the help of murders, they pressed on the authorities, no authority likes that.
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 21 October 2020 10: 34
          +3
          I read about the RAF, but it is also hushed up about it. An interesting year of the termination of its activities.
          Quote: smith 55
          Faction of the Red Army (Rote Armee Fraktion), this is another level, these are terrorists. With the help of murders, they pressed on the authorities, no authority likes that.
          1. Blacksmith 55
            Blacksmith 55 21 October 2020 12: 18
            +1
            Not all of them have been caught yet, according to my information, three of them are underground, they are engaged in robbery of collectors, they have to live on something.
            How many years have passed, they have changed their appearance, perhaps they have acquired other documents.
            1. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 21 October 2020 12: 30
              +4
              Quote: smith 55
              Not all of them have been caught yet, according to my information, three of them are underground, they are engaged in robbery of collectors, they have to live on something. ......
              one could say a lot about this ... sad
              1. Blacksmith 55
                Blacksmith 55 21 October 2020 12: 52
                +2
                I am not one of them, information can only be found in Wikipedia.
                Volker Staub, Daniela Klette, Burkhard Garweg, these three are underground.
                Attacked collectors in July 1999,
                June 2015, December 2015 and June 2016.
                Information from the German Wikipedia. Still not caught. The DNA of the first two was found at the crime scene.
                1. Reptiloid
                  Reptiloid 21 October 2020 12: 59
                  +5
                  I didn't even suspect you laughing you can say anything about the robbery ---- you won't spend on drink, for example ... but I once met hints of the USSR for a long time, though I don't remember where ...
                  There was, like, an article here, 2-3 years ago about their composition
                2. Phil77
                  Phil77 21 October 2020 18: 23
                  +1
                  Quote: Blacksmith 55
                  can only be found on Wikipedia.

                  Greetings!
                  Well, not only there. There would be a desire. There is such a site, its name is Herald of the Storm. Take a look. hi
        2. Old Bolshevik
          Old Bolshevik 21 October 2020 15: 43
          +5
          "The Communists consider it a contemptible deed to conceal their views and intentions. They openly declare that their goals can be achieved only through the violent overthrow of the entire existing social order. Let the ruling classes shudder before the Communist Revolution. The proletarians have nothing to lose in it except their chains. the whole world."

          Manifesto of the Communist Party K. Marx, F. Engels 1848.
  2. apro
    apro 21 October 2020 06: 35
    10
    The Germans at least somehow move on the front of the struggle. The Russian communists completely fell under the capitalists. And besides, they cannot work out a strategy of struggle.
    1. Old Bolshevik
      Old Bolshevik 21 October 2020 15: 40
      +5
      Zyuganov is a venal counter.
    2. Phil77
      Phil77 21 October 2020 18: 26
      +6
      Quote: apro
      Russian communists completely fell under the capitalists.

      There is no leader, there is simply no leader worthy.
  3. Olgovich
    Olgovich 21 October 2020 07: 04
    -4
    The liquidation of the GDR, carried out by the leaders of the USSR, Germany and the United States under the spectacular cover of the unification of Germany twenty years ago,

    Immediately a blooper: thirty years already the event. Or the article was written 10 years ago, which is likely.

    At the same time, another German Communist Party, the Marxist-Leninist KKE / ML, which existed in the FRG since March 1968, managed to survive, despite the powerful pressure of pro-capitalist propaganda. It works to this day

    She disappeared in 1986, and there is a splinter that practically no one in Germany has a clue about.
    The latest "news" on their official website .kpd-ml is dated 2008.
    1. ccsr
      ccsr 28 October 2020 12: 08
      +1
      Quote: Olgovich
      Immediately a mistake: the event is already thirty years old. Or the article was written 10 years ago, which is likely.

      I also drew attention to the fact that there are a lot of exaggerations and information, to put it mildly unreliable. For example, how the situation with the left-wing parties was assessed based on the materials of the intelligence department of the Western Group of Forces in 1992



      Of the 70 parties at that time, there were really only two leftists who represented at least some political weight, because leftist parties like Spartak, Maoists, or Neo-Trotskyists did not play any serious role in the FRG's politics:




      Quote: Olgovich
      She disappeared in 1986, and there is a splinter that practically no one in Germany has a clue about.
      The latest "news" on their official website .kpd-ml is dated 2008.

      I looked at their website, and there the last issue of the print edition is dated 2011. As far as I understand, this is published by the Magdeburg branch of the former KKE / ML, which is hardly known in the Western Lands, so most likely it is a "political corpse" that few people in Germany know about. Therefore, the author's words were surprised that
      KKE / ML now has a representative office in 40 municipalities in Germany (against 32 in the mid-90s, including 16 in the former FRG). She also founded the "Communist Youth Union of Germany" in the early 80s, now numbering up to 230 thousand people.

      because I have little faith in this figure, if only because even in the most active period of my activity in the entire FRG there were about 10 thousand members of this organization. I think that the author interprets the materials of Western propaganda publications too freely - real life suggests that left-wing movements are not popular in Germany.
  4. Aviator_
    Aviator_ 21 October 2020 08: 16
    +1
    In addition, the KKE / ML refused to "withdraw" from the GDR and supported Beijing's position in connection with military border conflicts on the Sino-Soviet border. And also, like the PRC, along with Albania and Romania, publicly condemned the entry of the Warsaw Pact troops into Czechoslovakia in 1968.

    It is understandable about the condemnation of the introduction of troops into Czechoslovakia, then it was fashionable to show one's "independence", but being on the Chinese side in the 1969 border conflicts is nonsense coming from the Chinese. Why do Brezhnev's "revisionists" need border conflicts? And Mao really needed them, especially after the "cultural revolution" - the internal enemies ended, they appointed external ones for themselves.
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 21 October 2020 11: 04
      +6
      Quote: Aviator_
      In addition, the KKE / ML refused to "withdraw" from the GDR and supported Beijing's position in connection with military border conflicts on the Sino-Soviet border. ..... e

      ..... but being on the Chinese side in the 1969 border conflicts is Chinese bullshit. Why do Brezhnev's "revisionists" need border conflicts? And Mao really needed them, especially after the "cultural revolution" - the internal enemies ended, they appointed external ones for themselves.

      Good morning Sergey! That's about this, that is, about the support ((in words, naturally)) of the Chinese, was already mentioned in one of the articles, I had no time then, I was surprised, but did not specify myself ..... However, now it is gradually becoming clear, that size harm that the maize worker did with his deceitful and treacherous actions against Stalin.
      You know, my grandmother was at the freed party work for many years, relatively recently she left. She said with some resentment that some of the Communist parties had "moved away" from the CPSU. As if there were disagreements. And what, because of what?, They say, they began to look to the west. (????) Now I think that we tried to hide the real reason, almost from everyone, as much as possible.
      1. Aviator_
        Aviator_ 21 October 2020 19: 09
        +4
        Now I think that we tried to hide the real reason, practically from everyone, as much as possible.

        Good evening, Dmtriy. I also now believe that they were afraid to analyze the true cause of the split. Instead of seriously studying the Stalinist legacy, dear Leonid Ilyich began to torment himself with nonsense in the economic field, which ultimately resulted in perestroika with a collapse with a marked hump. Brezhnev's generation knew what should not be done (everything that Gorby did), but they did not know what to do. And it was necessary to understand the Stalinist work "Economic problems of socialism."
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 21 October 2020 19: 17
          +3
          It was just a shock for me to find out how the socialist countries reacted to the beginning of Khrushchev's slander. Before the authors' article, I somehow did not think about it. And about the pro-Stalinist and pro-Maoist sentiments, the parties, perhaps, were not mentioned anywhere under socialism? Maybe in what party documents for internal use?
          1. Aviator_
            Aviator_ 21 October 2020 19: 30
            +1
            And about the pro-Stalinist and pro-Maoist sentiments, the parties, perhaps under socialism, were not mentioned anywhere? Maybe in what party documents for internal use?

            Here's the thing. Even now, when they talk about an alternative path to Khrushchev's, the Chinese and Albanians are always mentioned. And if Albania is now a criminal-capitalist country with an emphasis on the drug business, then China at that time (mid-60s) differed little from Pol-Potov Cambodia (Kampuchea) of the late 70s, until the Vietnamese calmed them down. And we do not need either Mao Zedong China or Albania during the times of Enver Hoxha. Social science was supposed to be engaged in the development of society, and there was a crowd of teachers of Marxism-Leninism you know who came there for easy money. And absolutely headless, both at the lower, teaching level, and at the highest level of the Central Committee. Well, one cannot consider M.S. Suslov, his difference from the subsequent ideologues of the ruling party (ER), perhaps, was only personal asceticism.
            1. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 21 October 2020 20: 42
              +4
              You have explained very interesting situations, Sergay. thanks a lot good
              Only now the Chinese advanced gradually, honoring Lenin, Marx and Engels besides Mao, were able to strengthen their economy and create an army that they never had. True, they did not help anyone, unlike the USSR ... ...
              And the teachers ----- yes, they were jealous, looking at the bags with chickens, the ultimate dream-sss wassat
              And what is interesting, they lampooned about various topics. And there is only one subtext - like, I'm ashamed that I'm Russian. Therefore, it was possible to destroy the USSR. This is the conclusion I came to
              1. Aviator_
                Aviator_ 21 October 2020 21: 17
                +2
                True, they did not help anyone, unlike the USSR ...

                They helped. For the same Pol-Pot, again, in Southeast Asia there are many Maoist parties (like the Pol-Potovskys, however, I don’t understand the varieties of waste products), Latinos also seem to have. This is a topic for serious research - to make an overview by country, and all sources are absolutely open - the country, the main political parties, their features. If you want, I will send a description of China for a 10-year period, my friend wrote, how the appearance of one scientific center, where he traveled with some interruptions for 10 years, changed. China is changing rapidly. This is our stagnation (Putin's, not Brezhnev's). By the way, it is written cыfilm. Exception words - gypsy, chick, chicks, chick.
                1. Reptiloid
                  Reptiloid 21 October 2020 22: 13
                  +2
                  Latinos, yes! There are Maoists, anyway.
                  CHICK
                  recourse
                  1. Aviator_
                    Aviator_ 21 October 2020 22: 58
                    +1
                    Latinos, yes!

                    Yes, the same Che Guevara, he was not the only one. From Maoism one could choose anything, even the idea of ​​a world revolution (Mao believed that there was no need to be afraid of a third world war, after it there would be no bourgeoisie at all. Here he is right, there will be no bourgeoisie, but not only them, but in general all. he expressed this in the 50s, when there were still relatively few charges.) Rather, Che Guevara is a romantic social revolutionary (I don’t want to write SR, the name is too compromised). In general, "to give the land in Grenada / to the peasants ..." But do they want it, these peasants - he did not study this, he is a man of action. And he died. By the way, the same Kropotkin, in his "Notes of a Revolutionary", wrote that his view of the movement of the oppressed masses was not formed like that of Marx and Engels, who studied contradictions in large industrial enterprises in Germany (however, then there was no united Germany, in 1848, and there were enterprises), and on the basis of the life of the Swiss guilds - artisans, in fact petty bourgeois. Therefore, he was not seduced by Marxist ideas.
                    1. Reptiloid
                      Reptiloid 21 October 2020 23: 12
                      +2
                      There was an article about Che several years ago. In general, among Latinos in different countries, local myths were sometimes added when interpreting Marxism-Leninism. Ours categorically did not like it.
                      It would be interesting if an article appeared about how the socialists came to power in Portugal in the 70s, but ours did not react and did not help.
                      1. Aviator_
                        Aviator_ 21 October 2020 23: 20
                        +1
                        Well, to call these captains, who are tired of fighting in Mozambique and Angola as socialists, I somehow do not turn my tongue. In 1974, when everything happened with them, ours officially welcomed it, and in Zhukovsky a good Portuguese port suddenly appeared in pot-bellied bottles for 4 r 50 kopecks. So trade links were immediately established.
                      2. Reptiloid
                        Reptiloid 22 October 2020 09: 00
                        +1
                        Maybe we have something different in mind?
                        4p50kop? In 1974? Somehow expensive, like? Such a port? I know that Portuguese port appeared in Leningrad in 1985 in pot-bellied bottles.
                      3. Aviator_
                        Aviator_ 22 October 2020 20: 09
                        +2
                        Not expensive for a quality drink. We did not use the 777 chatter. Vintage Massandra wines were then from 3 r 70 kopecks to 4 r 60 kopecks. Table wine "Rymnikskoe" - we called it "a man with a balalaika" because of the label - cost 1 r 80 kopecks, it went well after work in the field with fried potatoes and sausage.
                      4. Reptiloid
                        Reptiloid 22 October 2020 20: 21
                        +1
                        Soviet prices are incomprehensible to me. Sometimes I look at the prices of those books. ...
                        The most expensive albums are no more than 2 rubles. You can compare in different ways, but now everything is different.
                      5. Aviator_
                        Aviator_ 22 October 2020 20: 58
                        +1
                        I also do not understand. Price-price, but sometimes it was some kind of abstract - an interesting book was difficult to buy, in short supply. And, it would seem, raise the price - and they will appear, but no, the deficit was imposed. It was very difficult to buy adventures and good fiction in the 70s (Strugatsky, Dneprov, Gansovsky, Varshavsky, Lem, etc.). In the 60s, especially at the beginning, there were no problems with books, they appeared later. They began to give books for the handed over waste paper, I did not do this, but there were enthusiasts. A joke on this topic: a black man walks across the Sahara and collects papers. They ask him - what is it all of a sudden? - Answers - Here I will gain 10 kg, in the USSR they will give out a white woman for them. (For waste paper, in particular, you could buy "The Woman in White" by Wilkie Collins)
                      6. Reptiloid
                        Reptiloid 22 October 2020 21: 23
                        +2
                        I know about junk books. My grandmother and other relatives did this, and when my parents arrived, they somehow bought these coupons from 2 to 5 rubles, instead of 20 kg of waste paper. The Count of Monte Cristo, the Musketeers, the works of Druon, Bunin, I still have kaaia.
                        But this is so-so deficit. I already once wrote that I came across absolutely cool books about the Second World War. That time. And paper and photos ++++++ I showed them to relatives, they say that they have not seen anything like this either in stores, anywhere else.
                      7. Aviator_
                        Aviator_ 22 October 2020 21: 49
                        +1
                        I love old books of that time very much. I have Kozlov's memories of the Crimean underground, he led it during the war. Himself - an old underground worker with pre-revolutionary experience, he personally knew Lenin even before the revolution. He described a bunch of little things that allowed him, then already quite elderly and sick, to legalize and work in the rear of the Germans. The book is 1947, he himself died of old age in 1950. There is also a brochure published by the TsAGI publishing house after the sinking of the Maxim Gorky plane in 1935.
                        ps Watch your literacy. How is deficit spelled?
                      8. Reptiloid
                        Reptiloid 22 October 2020 22: 20
                        +2
                        ..... books ..... I really love ....

                        Home space is no longer enough sad
                      9. Aviator_
                        Aviator_ 22 October 2020 22: 24
                        +1
                        Likewise. I save myself by the office at work, but I have to work there.
                      10. Reptiloid
                        Reptiloid 22 October 2020 22: 29
                        +2
                        It seems that there is a break in work, maybe I will organize my library ...belay
  • Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 22 October 2020 11: 54
    +2
    ...... helped .......

    Well, yes, they did. I remembered this century. Nepal had a centuries-old, not even just an absolute monarchy, but THEOCRACY, where the king (maharaja) was considered an incarnation of God Vishnu. Quite recently, in a historical sense, a revolution took place there - the heir to the throne killed his father and shot the guests at the feast, then committed suicide. And the system was rotten. It shocked me at one time. And the maharaja was like the bloody nicholas. And they dragged astrologers there (to somehow explain THIS), but recently I read that there is a Maoist trail behind this ... Now there is a republic.
  • Operator
    Operator 21 October 2020 09: 11
    0
    KKE / ML - the same specter of communism, like the KP of the Russian Federation laughing
    1. gsev
      gsev 21 October 2020 10: 43
      +3
      Quote: Operator
      KKE / ML - the same specter of communism, like the KP of the Russian Federation

      A sociological survey conducted before the events in Ukraine showed that the number of supporters of the communist idea has not decreased in Russia. Therefore, Putin canceled the decommunization he had planned. Of course, special services and structures belonging to oligarchs emasculate communist organizations. What is the raider operation against Grudinin and his state farm! However, this allows foreign intelligence agencies to create a massive anti-government organization if they decide to help the supporters of the communists organize into a powerful organization.
      1. Operator
        Operator 21 October 2020 14: 05
        0
        A mass anti-government organization headed by the swindler Grudinin - like the "Union of the Sword and the Plowshare"? laughing
        1. gsev
          gsev 21 October 2020 19: 50
          +1
          Quote: Operator
          led by swindler Grudinin

          The workers at Grudinin lived with dignity. The company flourished before the raider run-in (before he dared to compete with Putin) PRC.
          Quote: Operator
          type "Union of the sword and plowshare"

          If Russian citizens adhering to alternative views on the permissible level of income of the owners of Russian Railways, Sberbank, Gazprom, Russian Post cannot independently organize themselves into a political force, why not do it with outside help?
    2. ccsr
      ccsr 28 October 2020 12: 18
      +1
      Quote: Operator
      KKE / ML - the same specter of communism, like the KP of the Russian Federation

      This is an unfortunate comparison, if only because the Communist Party of the Russian Federation exists and affects life in the country, and the United Russia party is really afraid of it together with the president, although Zyuganov is certainly not even a reduced copy of Lenin, but something amorphous, for which the people will not follow.
      So if we compare the KKE / ML, then we had a similar analogue - Ampilov with his adherents, although he, as a person, caused me respect for his intransigence. But he did not play any role in political processes - this is a fact.
  • 1536
    1536 21 October 2020 14: 03
    +4
    German communists were the first to face the "brown plague" in their own country in the late 1920s and early 1930s. The creation of the GDR, in my opinion, became for them a continuation of the 1945 Victory over fascism, its logical design. One can only imagine what the communist Germans felt in 1989 - early 1990s, loyal to the CPSU. What were you expecting? New provocations such as the burning of the Reichstag, repression, shootings? It is surprising that they were left in Germany, not deported, not thrown into prison, like E. Honecker, for example. Today we know how he ended up in prison and in the same cell in which he was kept by the Gestapo during the war ...
    Germany, alas, has lost the chance to become an independent country in the future.
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 21 October 2020 16: 54
      +3
      .... they were left in Germany ....
      there were some reports that someone was killed in the first days after the unification. And the marked one said that this was their, the new authorities, an internal affair. He understood everything perfectly, and neither he nor EBN responded to E. Honnecker's appeals. I tried to find out everything, maybe ours somehow helped, saved someone? I met only denial of this.
      And the Stasi was very successful in industrial espionage for the USSR. In general, after the unification, the West Germans said that the East cannot be trusted, that they are all Stasi employees.
      1. Aviator_
        Aviator_ 21 October 2020 19: 14
        +4
        Sergei Kara-Murza analyzes the animal hatred of the West Germans towards the East. He believes that this is revenge for the fact that the eastern ones built a welfare state without limits in the form of the Turks (they raised the FRG industry in the 50-60s) and, moreover, independently, the level of assistance from the USSR and the United States to these states is simply incomparable.
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 21 October 2020 20: 49
          +2
          Somehow it happens that pensions are calculated differently, western and eastern. I read about it. Of course, I need to read on this topic again
      2. TANKISTONE
        TANKISTONE 22 October 2020 20: 41
        +1
        Reptiloid (Dmitry): after the unification, the West Germans said that the East could not be trusted, that they were all Stasi employees
        East Germans say that the Western "Stasi" is not needed because of the voluntary snitching of every first, and voluntary supervision of each other (almost spying). Therefore, they "come off" on vacation for the whole! I testify!
        Reptiloid (Dmitry) Somehow it happens that pensions are calculated differently, by Western and Eastern
        And incomes are leveled in a small way. It's simple now, because inflation. In Germany there are talks about the abolition of the "solidarity tax" for the needs of the former GDR members. I don't watch politics myself, I stopped visiting sites. I provide a link to the Russian-language Internet digest: https://germania.one There it is written briefly about the laws.
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 22 October 2020 21: 29
          +1
          There are friends who have moved in one way or another. To Germany, at the end of the last century or at the beginning of this.
        2. Was mammoth
          Was mammoth 22 October 2020 21: 48
          +3
          Quote: TANKISTONE
          I testify!

          Stasi archives from the Americans. Immediately taken out. Isn't this a leash for the modern government in Germany? And, not only in Germany. I don’t think that the mentality of the Germans from the East is different from the West. There is an experience of living in a socialist country. And the ongoing repression of former GDR government officials. Nobody canceled lustration in Germany.
          According to the article.
          Marxism is relevant now. It explains a lot that is happening now, although it appeared a century and a half ago.
          It is a pity, I will not see the trial of traitors not only of the Soviet people, Gorbachev and Yeltsin, scoundrels in fact (one lives in the Federal Republic of Germany, the other is a museum), but others, including the German one.
          PS Good article on privatization in China!
          1. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid 25 October 2020 11: 16
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            .. Stasi archives from the Americans ......
            I didn’t know that. Yes, probably, there may be something compromising about Merkel. ... The staff members were in time everywhere. Yeltsin also gave them valuable archives, in exchange for nonsense
          2. TANKISTONE
            TANKISTONE 25 October 2020 14: 31
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            There was a mammoth (there was a mammoth) ... Isn't this a leash for the modern government of Germany? ...

            "Leash" is a relic of the past. Examples with such functionaries as Joseph "Sepp" Blatter и Dominique Gaston André Strauss-Kahn prove that: "If there were a man, but there would be an article !?" Everyone knows about the past of "Mother Merkel". No children, the husband is a "fake fag", she is suspected of same-sex love. Few? There are some other threads. I myself cannot understand: what is she afraid of? Maybe he's just afraid of death, perhaps painful?
          3. TANKISTONE
            TANKISTONE 25 October 2020 14: 44
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            There was a mammoth (there was a mammoth)I do not think that the mentality of the Germans from the East is different from the West.
            Is different. I myself witnessed how the "Ossi" (East German Germans), the Poles, spoke negatively about the squealing of the FRG members! Sometimes, and in a raised voice "lectured"! In general, they have our Soviet mentality, but, with a change of place of residence, they change, leaving only the cores of socialist education (for the older generation).
  • Old Bolshevik
    Old Bolshevik 21 October 2020 15: 38
    +2
    Gorbachev is a Judas of all times and peoples, a CIA agent since 1966, the greatest state criminal of our time.
    May God grant him health to live to recover from Putin's rotten comprador rule of the Soviet Tribunal and to be publicly hanged in Red Square in Moscow for treason!
    1. Aviator_
      Aviator_ 21 October 2020 19: 16
      +3
      It's time to announce a competition in forestry for aspen, on which humps will be lifted. It will be possible to transplant her to Red Square, next to Execution Ground.
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 21 October 2020 20: 53
        +3
        Quote: Aviator_
        It's time to announce a competition in forestry for aspen, on which humps will be lifted. It will be possible to transplant her to Red Square, next to Execution Ground.
        I'm not against lol
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  • Sergey Oreshin
    Sergey Oreshin 22 October 2020 09: 28
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    Quote: Phil77
    There is no leader, there is simply no leader.

    "Nobody will give us deliverance // Neither God, nor the tsar and not the hero // We will achieve liberation // With our own hand" ("International").
    It's strange that the communists need some kind of "leader"
  • Artashes
    Artashes 22 October 2020 20: 57
    -1
    It is enough to watch the speeches and propaganda of the Zyuganovites to be convinced of their double-dealing. All of them are from the 80s or the heirs of those who have been silent since 1956 ...