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Yerevan does not use the reconnaissance potential of the Su-30SM, the Aerospace Forces are inactive. Disappointing forecast for Stepanakert

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In light of the successful offensive actions of the Azerbaijani army along the Araks River, as well as in the areas of the settlements of Fizuli, Jebrail, Haji Ismayilli, Gumlag, Soltan, etc. numerous observers and a number of military experts were puzzled by the following question: what is the real reason for such a low defensive and offensive potential of the NKR Defense Army and the Armenian Armed Forces in the southern operational direction of the Nagorno-Karabakh theater of operations? After all, firstly, both of the above armies have impressive arsenals of multiple launch rocket systems and operational-tactical missile systems (including Iskander-E with 9M723-1E super-maneuverable OTBRs), which ensure the delivery of “decapitating” strikes as against motorized rifle units carrying out offensive operations and at stationary points of material and technical support of the Armed Forces of Azerbaijan.


Secondly, the majority of the S-300PMU-2 Favorit, Barak-8ER, Buk-M1-2, Iron Dome, etc. anti-aircraft missile / anti-missile systems in service with Azerbaijan's air defense forces. still do not cover the units participating in the offensive, since they are deployed mainly in the central and eastern regions of Azerbaijan in order to avoid hitting the radius of action of the modernized Armenian and Karabakh barreled artillery, as well as the Grad MLRS equipped with "long-range" 122-mm unguided rockets of the type "Extended Range Artillery Rocket" with a range of 30-40 km (eloquent proof of this is the unhindered strikes by the outdated and low-maneuverable 8K14 Elbrus OTBRs against the strategically important military infrastructure of the Ganja airbase).

The low combat potential of the NKR JSC and the Armenian Armed Forces in the south of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic was quite predictable and could be eliminated only in the case of a promptly developed comprehensive approach to solving the problems listed below


The answer to the above question lies in several dimensions at once. First of all, this is the limited use of modern self-propelled military anti-aircraft missile systems of the Tor-M2KM and Buk-M2E types in the active sector of the theater of operations by the Armenian air defense forces, capable of detecting in advance and simultaneously intercepting 4 and 24 enemy air targets with a correspondingly effective reflective surface 0,02-0,05 sq. m (in relation to "Buk-M2") and 0,05-0,07 sq. m (in relation to the "Toru-M2KM"), against the background of the formulation of active (frequency-targeted) noise interference by the enemy's electronic warfare means with a power of up to 1000 W / MHz. As you know, the outdated Osa-AKM self-propelled air defense systems actively used by the Armenian Air Defense Forces, equipped with single-channel centimeter guidance radars with low sensitivity of the receiving path and coherent-pulse parabolic radar detectors with similar receiver parameters, could not repel the massive strikes of the Harop kamikaze drones with EPR less than 0,1 sq. m.

Equipped with radar detectors based on promising flat PFAR, as well as PFAR guidance radars, the Tor-M2KM complexes (in the case of integration into a single network-centric air defense-missile defense system in conjunction with the Buk-M2 air defense system as part of a mixed anti-aircraft missile brigades) could easily fend off the strike potential of the "Harop", not to mention the lawlessness wrought by the links of the "Bayraktar".

To our great regret, this time we witnessed the utter carelessness and incompetence of the actions of the MFA commands and the Armenian air defense troops, expressed in the hasty deployment of the Tochka-U OTRK without proper cover with the Tor-M2U and Buk-M2 complexes, which weeks earlier, the operators of one of the Azerbaijani UAVs "Bayraktar TB2" were captured by means of an integrated turret multispectral optical-electronic complex.

Secondly, this is the use by the combat crews of the S-300PS anti-aircraft missile systems of the Armenian air defense troops by far not all the capabilities of the "Three hundred" radar architecture during combat duty near Kakhnut and Khojaly, which we analyzed in detail in our early review "Unhindered defeat of the 36D6 self-propelled PU 5P85S of the Armenian S-300PS: a pretext for pompous reports of the Azerbaijani media or just another delusion? " In particular, in the course of the deadly raids of the Azerbaijani Harop UAVs on the positions of the Armenian 300PS, the operators of the S-36PS deployed near Kakhnut used only the outdated 6D0,1 radar detector with a sector-cylindrical antenna array to monitor the airspace in the missile-hazardous direction and low sensitivity of the receiving path, unable to confidently detect and track targets with an image intensifier tube less than 30 sq. m, while for direction finding of "Harop" the most dangerous sectors of the airspace had to be monitored by the PFAR illumination and guidance radar 6N0,05E, capable of tracking targets with an image intensifier of XNUMX sq. m.

The combat crew of the S-300PS stationed near Khojaly did not even bother to implement the combat alert mode (all-round view of the airspace) of the 36D6 radar, which was captured by the multispectral optoelectronic complex of the attacking Harop. In the video material transmitted to the combat control point of the kamikaze drone "Harop" via the radio channel of the two-way asynchronous data exchange line, the 36D6 RLO with a fixed antenna post is captured. Is this not an ideal target for a low-speed "cardboard" and very "cunning" drone from the Israeli military-industrial concern IAI?

Thirdly, equipped with far from the most perfect and accurate inertial guidance units based on the discrete-analog computing device 9B638, the 9M79-1 Tochka-U tactical missiles, as well as having even more "ancient" software guidance modules based on analog gyroverters lateral and longitudinal accelerations, as well as analog computing devices AS 1SB13 operational-tactical ballistic missiles 8K14M-1 have a circular probable deviation of 150-200 and 450-700 m, respectively. As a result, even their active use in the Nagorno-Karabakh theater of operations does not allow Armenia's MFA to achieve the final disabling of the required number of Azerbaijani "units" participating in the offensive, as well as effective destruction of the strategically important infrastructure of the fortified areas and air bases of the Azerbaijani Armed Forces.

Moreover, in the light of several episodes of going "into milk" (apparently, both in connection with the huge CEP, and due to failures in the operation of the INS) "Elbrus", intended to defeat the Ganja Aviation Base, the question of the inadmissibility of further use data from the OTBR in the theaters of military operations of the XXI century (including the Karabakh theater of operations). After all, the hit of the 4,8-swing 987-kilogram high-explosive warheads 8F44E of these products on the residential infrastructure of settlements entails catastrophic destruction with the death of civilians, which, unfortunately, we saw on the example of Ganja.

And finally, fourthly, one of the most compelling justifications for the mediocre defensive and offensive potentials of the Armenian Armed Forces and the NKR JSC in the southern operational direction of the Karabakh theater of operations is the low promptness of receiving information about the movement of enemy ground forces and assets in the ground sector of the theater of operations. In particular, the difference from the command of the Azerbaijani Armed Forces, which on a permanent basis receives information about tactical ground and low-altitude air situations in the Karabakh theater of operations from the multifunctional anti-jamming AFAR side-scan radars MESA installed on Boeing 737AEW & C "Peace Eagle" aircraft of the Turkish Air Force (capable to detect, track and classify up to 3000 air and surface objects at a distance of 100-150 and 370-500 km, respectively), the Armenian Air Force command does not at all seek to use its key "strategic asset" for scrupulous monitoring and forecasting of further actions of the Azerbaijan Army and Air Force.

We are talking about the link of multifunctional super-maneuverable fighters Su-30SM delivered to the combat unit of the Armenian Air Force. As you know, the onboard PFAR-radars N011M "Bars-R" installed on these machines are able to provide pilots and system operators (two pilots) with information about low-altitude Azerbaijani drones loitering over the theater of operations with an EPR of 0,05 sq. m at a distance of 60 km (in the "air-to-air" mode), and on the movement of motorized rifle and tank enemy units, for which the Barsa-R software has a mode of direction finding and tracking of mobile ground targets GMTI (with a resolution of about 1,5 m).

This radar image of photographic quality can be transmitted to the NKVS-27 ground air communication terminals via the K-DlUE / I protected tactical communication channel, after which it is converted and relayed to the units of the Army of Armenia and the NKR JSC, as well as to the unified command posts for the command and control of air defense military assets to reduce the reaction time to the enemy air attack weapons that suddenly "jumped out" from the ridges of Artsakh. Meanwhile, unfortunately, there is still no information about the operation of the Armenian Su-30SM, as well as data on flights of Tu-214R strategic radar and optical-electronic reconnaissance aircraft in the airspace of Russia over Dagestan to monitor the actions of the Azerbaijani Armed Forces and timely informing our South Caucasian ally in the CSTO.
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  1. Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 22 October 2020 12: 10
    +8
    Armenian Defense Ministry leaders will listen to these recommendations smile
    1. Evil543
      Evil543 22 October 2020 13: 12
      21
      They will not listen. They won't understand. This is Damantsev repeat
      1. ancient
        ancient 22 October 2020 13: 33
        24
        Quote: Evil543
        This is Damantsev

        This is exactly wassat .. as you read .... "hiccups all day" .... (diarrhea of ​​figures, names and other things ... which sculpts ... where not getting) fool
        Quote - "...... This radar photographic quality picture can be transferred to ground terminals of air communication NKVS-27 over the protected radio channel of tactical communication K-DlUE / I,".... science fiction writers .. rest wassat

        Since K-DluE is onboard communication systems for exported front-line aircraft. Designed for short-range and long-distance telephone and telecode radio communication aircraft among themselves and with military aviation control points. lol ..This time ....
        Secondly, the N011M radar does not have a side-view function, which means that the aircraft will have to approach the target ... putting itself under the countermeasures of all available air defense systems ...
        In general ... everything is correct ..."This is Damantsev" repeat
      2. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 22 October 2020 16: 07
        +6
        Quote: Evil543
        They will not listen. They won't understand. This is Damantsev repeat

        They will listen. They won't understand. This is Damantsev repeat
    2. credo
      credo 22 October 2020 13: 27
      21
      Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
      Armenian Defense Ministry leaders will listen to these recommendations smile

      That's exactly what's funny.
      Did the Armenians listen to what they said in Russia when they were joyful and happy to overthrow the previous government and put Pashinyan on the "throne"?
      "This is not a revolution," they said.
      "We ourselves know better than anyone what we are doing and what to do," they replied to their folly.
      Well, if so, then what questions can there be for Russia if they are so smart and competent.
      1. novel66
        novel66 22 October 2020 13: 38
        11
        but they generally don't know how to fight
        1. hydrox
          hydrox 23 October 2020 07: 25
          10
          If they don't know how, it's half the trouble: half of the famous army aphorism is performed relatively easily: "If you don't know how, we'll teach!"
          But their inner liberoid essence almost completely excludes the execution of the second half of the army aphorism :: there is no force that can MAKE Armenians fight for their OWN independence, OWN territory, OWN ethnic identity, OWN self-awareness and self-determination.
          And Russia for some reason does not want to shed the blood of its boys for the welfare of our backsliders - there will be no less than fifty DIVISIONS in Russia - everyone is in line !!!
          In addition, if there are in the Caucasus, then only a few people who want to voluntarily go to war with the Azerbaijanis, who are taking their lands from the Armenians.
          Well, what is now worth the self-determination of an ethnic group that does not deserve the public approval of the surrounding peoples?
          Poor, poor Russia :: sometimes we want to make friends with the Americans, then we want to get closer to the Europeans, then we will fraternize with the Ukrainians, then the Turks should be taken as allies ... - when will the streak of failures end for our people!?! request crying crying
    3. Interlocutor
      Interlocutor 22 October 2020 15: 35
      +6
      Armenian Defense Ministry leaders will listen to these recommendations smile

      Yeah. And, as a sign of understanding, they will pull out a bunch of gray hair from their chest ... fellow
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 22 October 2020 16: 09
        14
        Quote: Interlocutor
        Yeah. And, as a sign of understanding, they will pull out a bunch of gray hair from their chest ... fellow

        But don't be confused: Georgia did not fulfill the wool plan. And Armenia did not fulfill the egg plan. smile
  2. NDR-791
    NDR-791 22 October 2020 12: 11
    11
    ... as well as data on flights of Tu-214R strategic radar and optical-electronic reconnaissance aircraft in the airspace of Russia over Dagestan to monitor the actions of the Azerbaijani Armed Forces and timely inform our South Caucasian ally in the CSTO.
    Again "Yaroslavna's cry" !!! Razseyushka help me byrom!
    1. Babayka babaykin
      Babayka babaykin 22 October 2020 12: 27
      27
      Why do we need the Armenians to help ?????????? They trampled our flags, and the invaders said Russia ☝️☝️
      1. novel66
        novel66 22 October 2020 13: 39
        23
        help is needed, to form a division (army) of Armenians in Moscow and send to the front
        1. Sailor
          Sailor 22 October 2020 14: 45
          +8
          Then only Uzbeks and Chechens will remain in Moscow.
          1. novel66
            novel66 22 October 2020 15: 15
            12
            should i be upset?
            1. Sailor
              Sailor 23 October 2020 09: 13
              +4
              On the contrary, rejoice, even though you can hear your own speech.
        2. Interlocutor
          Interlocutor 22 October 2020 15: 36
          +8
          help is needed, to form a division (army) of Armenians in Moscow and send to the front

          Seven divisions ...
        3. Prisoner
          Prisoner 22 October 2020 20: 50
          +4
          Why only one? There will be enough for a couple of divisions. laughing
      2. credo
        credo 22 October 2020 13: 42
        +1
        Quote: Babayka Babaykin
        Why do we need the Armenians to help ?????????? They trampled our flags, and the invaders said Russia ☝️☝️

        By and large, while we are talking about the Armenians of Karabakh, which even Armenia did not recognize as an independent state.
        In fact, we are discussing the civil war in Azerbaijan, therefore it is in Russia's interests, so that this war does not spread to the entire Caucasus, to seat the opposing sides of Azerbaijan at the negotiating table, saving the lives of both peaceful Armenians and peaceful Azerbaijanis.
        But, as for the position of Armenia itself, in the person of its premier-soror, this is a separate issue and requires detailed study, since sometimes it is completely incomprehensible what he is actually trying to achieve or is he just a puppet in the hands of the world behind the scenes.
      3. NDR-791
        NDR-791 22 October 2020 13: 43
        +9
        Well, you ask the author. I also think that waging a war to the last Russian soldier is sheer stupidity. And in general, helping someone out there is also stupid. This is how some barmaley will remain there, then you can move some of the old bombs there, and at the same time test something new
  3. Operator
    Operator 22 October 2020 12: 12
    +2
    In the event of a massive attack with guided munitions, Torah and Buki, proposed to cover the Points, would have been poured into the same place as the OTRK - into the toilet.
    1. Interlocutor
      Interlocutor 22 October 2020 15: 37
      +2
      In the event of a massive attack with guided munitions, Torah and Buki, proposed to cover the Points, would have been poured into the same place as the OTRK - into the toilet.


      Soooo. Okay. you have not approved the proposed ... Offer yours ... We are waiting ...
      1. Operator
        Operator 22 October 2020 19: 18
        0
        KAZ and the simplest short-range anti-aircraft missiles are our everything.
  4. Holgerton
    Holgerton 22 October 2020 12: 14
    10
    I was so overwhelmed in my mind that from the title of the article I realized that the author was Damantsev.
    I went in, looked, it really is "the Damantsev analytics club" and did not read further.
    1. Lionnvrsk
      Lionnvrsk 22 October 2020 16: 00
      0
      Quote: Holgerton
      realized that the author was Damantsev.

      Iskander-E with OTBR 9M723-1E ... S-300PMU-2 Favorit, Barak-8ER, Buk-M1-2, Iron Dome, etc ... Extended Range Artillery Rocket "with a range of 30-40 km ... OTBR 8K14 Elbrus ... 0,02-0,05 sq. m (in relation to "Buk-M2") and 0,05-0,07 sq. m (in relation to the "Toru-M2KM"), ... with a power of up to 1000 W / MHz .... SAM "Osa-AKM", equipped with single-channel centimeter radar guidance with a low sensitivity of the receiving path and coherent-pulse parabolic radar detectors with similar receiver parameters ..... radar 36D6 and self-propelled PU 5P85S S-300PS ... 4,8-swing 987-kg high-explosive warheads 8F44 ... analog gyrovertants for lateral and longitudinal accelerations, as well as analog computing devices AS 1SB13 promptly -Tactical ballistic missiles 8K14M-1 have a circular probable deviation of 150-200 and 450-700 m .... AFAR side-scan radars MESA, installed on AWACS Boeing 737AEW & C "Peace Eagle" ... repeat
  5. Livonetc
    Livonetc 22 October 2020 12: 22
    0
    , "The question of the inadmissibility of further application of the OTBR data in the theaters of military operations of the XNUMXst century (including the Karabakh theater of operations) is acquiring special urgency."
    In Karabakh, in the course of the current military campaign, from the Armenian side, all available resources will be used.
    1. paul3390
      paul3390 22 October 2020 13: 17
      +4
      Is not a fact. While the war of Azerbaijan against Karabakh is formally ongoing. But as soon as Armenia provides substantial assistance, it will immediately become a warring party. And there the Ottomans can fit in, and the Russian Federation is not far off .. Does anyone need it? That is why Armenia is being slowed down for now - so that the war does not look too obvious.
  6. deniso
    deniso 22 October 2020 12: 24
    17
    There is such a huge American embassy in Yerevan, and even that did not help.
    Something is wrong here . Maybe we need to build on more floors 10 - 12 ...
    1. Grits
      Grits 23 October 2020 13: 37
      +3
      Quote: denis obuckov
      There is such a huge American embassy in Yerevan, and even that did not help.

      American embassies are very helpful when revolutions are blooming. In other cases, they only harm. Hence the conclusion - the larger the American embassy, ​​the higher the chances of blooming sooner.
  7. deniso
    deniso 22 October 2020 12: 29
    +5
    In 2016, Russia proposed to Armenia to create joint air defense forces on its territory. Pashinyan was against it, said that "joint command with the Russians should not be allowed."
    Today, Azerbaijani attack drones showed that Armenians were wrong in 2016.
    1. the finish
      the finish 22 October 2020 12: 50
      +2
      The Russian Federation and Armenia have a joint air defense system. If only something to blurt out!
    2. Dimon71
      Dimon71 22 October 2020 13: 11
      14
      Comrade Pashinyan in 2016 did not smell
      Power had Serzh Sargsyan !!!
      1. PCA
        PCA 22 October 2020 14: 51
        -1
        Quote: OgnennyiKotik
        There is no one who now has effective and affordable systems for complex countermeasures to all types of UAVs, all of them are being developed with incomprehensible effectiveness. Moreover, they are being developed against old types of UAVs, all leading countries of UAV developers have dozens and hundreds of new types and types of drones. Jet drones will enter the arena soon.

        And what, jet drones (aircraft) do not shoot down air defense systems? Forgot about the new Pantsyr-SM. Gouges everyone and everything Another Demagogue.
  8. OgnennyiKotik
    OgnennyiKotik 22 October 2020 12: 32
    +6
    Wake up. 3 carbon-copy wars in a row in 1 year. UAVs have imbalanced military capabilities.
    Who said that OTRK and s300 were not covered? In the first days of the war, there was no video of their destruction, just the drones gouged the short-range and short-range air defenses and proceeded to medium-range and OTRK. Air defense against UAVs does not work, simply because it was not created against them.
    Fighters are extremely dangerous to use, and air defense is just effective against them. A fighter, in order to shoot down a UAV, needs to detect it, aim a missile and control it before the drone is shot down. All this time, the fighter "glows" like a Christmas tree in complete darkness and it will be knocked down by any air defense system with a suitable range. The probability that the missile homing head itself will target the UAV at about 0.
    Electronic warfare? Yes, it does not work against military UAVs, it is much easier to "protect" data transmission channels than to suppress them. Think differently? So give examples with evidence of the destruction of electronic warfare drones, here are examples with evidence when UAVs destroy electronic warfare is.
    Do you think the question is in the hands of who has the air defense? In Idlib, a Turkish UAV was operating at a distance of less than 80 km from the Khmeimim base, and there were help and cover from there. The probability that the crews of the Armor were purely Syrian about 0. And the hands of those who control the UAV are very straight? Straight elite graduates of Western military institutions.
    There is no one who now has effective and affordable systems for complex countermeasures to all types of UAVs, all of them are being developed with incomprehensible efficiency. Moreover, they are being developed against old types of UAVs, all leading countries of UAV developers have dozens and hundreds of new types and types of drones. Jet drones will enter the arena soon.
    Here is an example of effective defense against air threats, how many such bases can you have? Is it possible to protect the troops in this way?
    Three echelons can be distinguished in the anti-aircraft missile defense of the Khmeimim airbase:

    • Long-range approaches to the defended object are provided by long-range systems - the S-400 Triumph air defense system and the S-200VE Vega air defense system.
    • At medium ranges, the S-300FM "Fort" and "Buk-M2E" medium-range air defense systems are engaged in the fight against the air enemy.
    • Short-range air defense missile systems "Osa-AKM" and S-125 "Pechora-2M".
    And, finally, the Pantsir-S400 short-range air defense missile system should be considered as a means of direct cover for the main object and the S-1 Triumph air defense system.
    1. pytar
      pytar 22 October 2020 12: 48
      +9
      Respect! good You set everything up for sure! Many sofa "experts" do not understand that UAVs have changed the course of hostilities! Battles have moved to a new technological level! Almost all existing air defense and electronic warfare systems are ineffective against drones! Flying robots cause huge damage to the enemy! Soon we will see the mass use of even more advanced robotic systems - in the air, on land, on water and under water! hi
      1. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 22 October 2020 12: 59
        +6
        Thanks! In fact, a very frightening development of drones is underway. Okay, jet systems, MALE has been around for 30 years. Micro drones are entering the arena.
        Here is a video from series:

        Here's a video of the concepts and tests:

        Here are the real tests:
        1. lucul
          lucul 22 October 2020 13: 19
          -2
          In fact, a very frightening development of drones is underway.

          It goes for those countries that do not have their own cruise missiles. And those countries that have Russia / USA cruise missiles (Caliber / Tomahawks) are developing long-range drones and as a replacement for pilot aircraft.
          Let me remind you that a projectile (even a guided missile) or an MLRS missile is much cheaper than a drone of a similar range.
        2. Oquzyurd
          Oquzyurd 22 October 2020 13: 25
          +4

          Against infantry and light vehicles
          1. OgnennyiKotik
            OgnennyiKotik 22 October 2020 13: 30
            0
            Yeah. Everyone develops.
            1. Oquzyurd
              Oquzyurd 22 October 2020 13: 39
              +4
              The world is changing with these aerial robots, and faster than expected, I don't know if this is good or bad what
              1. pytar
                pytar 22 October 2020 14: 23
                +6
                The world is changing with these aerial robots, and faster than expected, I don't know if this is good or bad

                Yes. yes Evolution has accelerated, technology is moving to a new level! You can even talk about tech. the revolution! Good or bad? It is unlikely that the answer is unambiguous! request Fans of the fantasy genre can now see in real life a lot of what was written in novels and shown in films yesterday! And there is a topic about "war of robots against humanity"! Science fiction, as a kind of prognostics, often sees the light of the future! hi
                1. OgnennyiKotik
                  OgnennyiKotik 22 October 2020 14: 54
                  +3
                  Quote: pytar
                  You can even talk about tech. the revolution!

                  It happened. Remember what the best computers were at the beginning of the century, what are now cheap smartphones. We do not notice it because we are in it.
            2. Oquzyurd
              Oquzyurd 23 October 2020 00: 20
              -1
              Why is the underrated Vestel Karayel
              Karayel Camera System Features (Payload)
              EO-Day Camera (HD) - Optical zoom function up to X50
              Night (IR) camera (HD) - optical zoom up to X50
              Laser rangefinder
              Laser designator
              Laser pointer
              Total weight: 51 kg

              Specifications Karayel
              Wingspan: 10,5 meters
              Length: 7 meters
              Takeoff weight: 500 kg
              Payload: 70 kg
              Engine power: 70 hp
              Cruising speed: 60-80 knots
              Duration of stay in the air: 20 hours.
              Flight altitude: 22 feet

              VESTEL is a Turkish brand under which household appliances and electronics are produced.
              Vestel is a group of companies, consisting of 19 organizations, has representative offices in countries such as Germany, France, Italy, Great Britain, Romania, etc. Large household appliances (stoves, refrigerators, washing machines and dishwashers) and electronics (TVs).
              1. OgnennyiKotik
                OgnennyiKotik 23 October 2020 13: 56
                -1
                TB2 just thunders, and this one is in the same niche. But the question of price.
        3. pytar
          pytar 22 October 2020 14: 04
          +1
          The ERA OF ROBOTS is really coming! Yesterday was a fantasy, plots from films, and is already being implemented!
      2. pytar
        pytar 22 October 2020 13: 50
        +3
        The ability to destroy the enemy from a distance has always given an advantage! Historically, armies that are at a higher technological level have tried to inflict as much of the enemy's level as possible from a distance, preventing him from reaching a rapprochement where he can win. Thus, a high-tech army always has fewer losses than a non-technological one. And what is a UAV and off military robots? Long arm, that's what! Modern UAVs perform the whole range of measures to influence the battlefield - reconnaissance, monitoring, identification, target destruction! And all this in real mode! The robotic systems that are being developed today will have the ability to take decisions on their own, without continuous communication with the operator! That poses another problem for electronic warfare funds! To hit such targets, especially if they act in a swarm, is very difficult and expensive! The swarm will act on the principle of "neural networks", disabling alone does not lead to the elimination of the entire system! Yes, and EW means emitting interference are unmasked, themselves becoming a target for robots!
        1. PCA
          PCA 22 October 2020 15: 21
          -3
          Quote: OgnennyiKotik
          Yea Yea. "They work most effectively on ground targets."

          М
          Armor - C1 does not know Armor CM was not used In front of you is another Demagogue
        2. malyvalv
          malyvalv 22 October 2020 16: 45
          0
          UAVs with a shotgun on board have long been demonstrated against such swarms of UAVs. Cheap and cheerful.
          1. pytar
            pytar 23 October 2020 23: 13
            -1
            UAVs with a shotgun on board have long been demonstrated against such swarms of UAVs. Cheap and cheerful.

            UAVs are fighting against UAVs ... Here I am - the era of the war of robots has begun! yes
        3. Xnumx vis
          Xnumx vis 23 October 2020 22: 20
          +4
          Long arm, yes. Lightning strike! Rocket attack on decision-making centers. A blow to the headquarters, warehouses, depots of these drones, airfields, any large military bases, military factories, operators, arsenals, power plants, dams, tectonic faults, road junctions. And where will all these drones be. ? Obviously, the war in Karabakh is being castrated. Armenians are afraid to start fighting in full force .. Azerbaijan is not. That's all .
          1. pytar
            pytar 23 October 2020 23: 18
            0
            And where will all these drones be?

            And all the rest of the military equipment, personnel, which were previously engaged in these matters, where were you? That's where the drones will be.
            Obviously, the war in Karabakh is being castrated. Armenians are afraid to start fighting in full force .. Azerbaijan is not. That's all .

            Strange hardening! If he is afraid to fight, he will be defeated! What's the point of not blowing anything ?! In my opinion, the situation is completely different! Azerbaijanis have a clear technological superiority! Where are the Armenian UAVs, "bayraktars", "harps"?
            1. Xnumx vis
              Xnumx vis 24 October 2020 07: 27
              +2
              Quote: pytar
              Strange hardening! If he is afraid to fight, he will be defeated! What's the point of not blowing anything ?! In my opinion, the situation is completely different! Azerbaijanis have a clear technological superiority! Where are the Armenian UAVs, "bayraktars", "harps"?

              Armenians still have not recognized Karabakh as theirs! The Armenians are afraid to strike at the gas pipeline, they do not use the Iskanders to strike at the main headquarters of the Azerbaijani Army! Quite a strange war .. The Turks climb without fear, the Armenians have their tails between their tails like cowardly jackals ... And they ask others to fight for them. In this case, the Russians ... And we need it! Enough .. Were freed ... In response, only spitting and not gratitude. Bulgaria is an example of this.
              1. pytar
                pytar 24 October 2020 11: 48
                -3
                Armenians still have not recognized Karabakh as theirs! The Armenians are afraid to strike at the gas pipeline, they do not use the Iskanders to strike at the main headquarters of the Azerbaijani Army!

                Official recognition of Karabakh, what to give to the Armenians? Will lead to total war, in which Armenia itself will officially turn out to be an aggressor! She is now legally not a participant in the war. The Iskander strike on the territory of Azerbaijan is an attack by the state of Armenia against the state of Azerbaijan, which will make the situation critical!
                The Turks climb without fear of anything, the Armenians have their tails between their legs like cowardly jackals ...

                Turkey provides direct support to Azerbaijan. The fighting is being conducted on the territory of this country. Formally, there is no violation of international law. Armenians fight back as best they can. It is difficult to resist them against a transient enemy! Armenia is isolated, it has fewer resources.
                And they ask others to fight for them. In this case, the Russians ... And we need it! Enough ..

                Whom, who ask ??? Give the specifics? Russia will fight if it is in its interests. It will clearly not go to fight directly, there is no reason, except if Azerbaijan or Turkey does not attack Armenia itself, a member of the CSTO. At the same time, Russia has no interest in strengthening Turkish influence in the Caucasus. Definitely! So the situation is very precarious!
                They were freed ... In response, only spitting and not gratitude. Bulgaria is an example of this.

                This is one of the theses of modern Ross. propaganda. Politics, including Russian, have always been and are guided by interests! And for the common people, easily digestible explanations are offered - "there are enemies, all traitors, some ungrateful ones around" etc.
                1. Xnumx vis
                  Xnumx vis 24 October 2020 12: 17
                  -1
                  [quote = pytar] Were freed ... In response, only spitting and not gratitude. Bulgaria is an example of this.

                  This is one of the theses of modern Ross. propaganda. Politics, including Russian, have always been and are guided by interests! And for the common people, easily digestible explanations are offered - "there are enemies, all traitors, some ungrateful around", etc. [/ quote]
                  Let me, common people. An ordinary Russian person. Let's say a simple Bulgarian person loves and respects Russia .. so what !? Maybe Bulgaria is not a NATO member, has not abandoned the Russian gas pipeline (South Stream) ..., will not provide ports and airfields for basing and attacking my city of Sevastopol, my country, will refuse to kill me and all my family and friends .. Uncle Sam will stamp his foot, his eyes will sparkle, and the brothers will not refuse to kill Russians. Sadly, but true ... [quote]. That's all the propaganda ..
                  1. pytar
                    pytar 24 October 2020 14: 12
                    -2
                    Let me, common people. An ordinary Russian person. Let's say a simple Bulgarian person loves and respects Russia .. so what !?

                    First, the topic is completely different! Oh Nagorno-Karabakh conflict! Second, I am an ordinary Bulgarian person, and half of my relatives are Russians!
                    Maybe Bulgaria is not a NATO member ...

                    We entered NATO 14 years after your betrayal, and we had no choice! You forgot how you hugged your former enemies! You have betrayed all your allies, among whom Bulgaria was the most loyal! You do not have the moral superiority to make a claim!
                    ..not abandoned the gas pipeline ... (South Stream) ..

                    Not Bulgaria refused, but Russia! Listen to your president at least, he points out exactly why Russia abandoned UP! And you are clearly not in the know, at the moment it is under a different name - the Balkan Stream. Russian companies work on the sites.
                    ... will not provide ports and airfields for basing and attacking my city of Sevastopol ...

                    With what parallel universe? Do you really believe that "NATO is about to attack you"?!
                    ... will refuse to kill me and all my family and friends ... Uncle Sam will stamp his foot, his eyes will sparkle and the brothers will not refuse to kill Russians ...

                    Yes, ours, even at exercises, refuse to shoot at targets if they look like Russian symbols. https://topwar.ru/121594-svoenravnye-bolgary.html
                    Sad but true ...

                    Sad but true, so many of you believe in propaganda!
                    1. Xnumx vis
                      Xnumx vis 24 October 2020 14: 56
                      0
                      Quote: pytar
                      With what parallel universe? Do you seriously believe that "NATO is about to attack you" ?!
                      ... will refuse to kill me and all my family and friends ... Uncle Sam will stamp his foot, his eyes will sparkle and the brothers will not refuse to kill Russians ...

                      If necessary, America and NATO will deploy their ships, aircraft and missile launchers in any of the NATO countries. Bulgaria is no exception ...
                      Quote: pytar
                      We entered NATO 14 years after your betrayal, and we had no choice! You forgot how you hugged your former enemies! You have betrayed all your allies, among whom Bulgaria was the most loyal!

                      I completely agree with you here. then the leadership of the USSR and then the Russian Federation betrayed, but not only you, but also their people. Having robbed and destroyed the country ...
                      Quote: pytar
                      Yes, ours, even at exercises, refuse to shoot at targets if they look like Russian symbols

                      I really want it to be so always. There is no desire to shoot brothers. Bulgaria is a wonderful country with very good people ... But not everything and does not always depend on us ordinary people drinks hi
        4. Garris199
          Garris199 24 October 2020 04: 01
          +2
          They say that a swarm of fragments from a high-explosive projectile with a programmable fuse will work well against a swarm of drones. "Air defense derivation" is on its way.
      3. Flavius
        Flavius 23 October 2020 00: 02
        -1
        But what is interesting is that the tanks that were standing under the canopy in the barracks were not even noticed by drones and UAVs)) Do you understand what I mean? It is enough to cover them from above and beyond the reach of artillery and nothing will be for them)
        1. Oquzyurd
          Oquzyurd 23 October 2020 00: 26
          0
          Yes, they will complete combat missions while moving with the canopy fellow
          1. meandr51
            meandr51 23 October 2020 11: 29
            +2
            Why not? The nylon canopy is not at all heavy. There is also a chain-link mesh, metal aerosols, explosive charges, shells with EMP pulsed emitters. Finally, undermining a small tactical YAZ in the right place, albeit over its own territory. All this will neutralize any "swarms".
            1. Anika
              Anika 24 October 2020 09: 27
              0
              By the way, I thought the same about the netting netting, over the trench, such as a screen on the tank, it can hold the missiles from the bayraktar, did not voice it, they will laugh))) although the explosion overhead is even worse
        2. pytar
          pytar 23 October 2020 23: 24
          -1
          It is enough to cover them from above and beyond the reach of artillery and nothing will be for them)

          Camouflage, camouflage, has always had and will have an effect. That is why more and more advanced system systems are being developed - "gameleon" camouflages, etc. will soon appear. Also riding technology! The problem with camouflage still remains, the military equipment must move, leaving traces and secondary signs. Human life is invaluable, therefore, more and more often on the battlefield we will meet robotic systems with artificial intelligence. My thought is confirmed - the more technologically advanced enemy has an advantage!
    2. lucul
      lucul 22 October 2020 13: 10
      0
      Air defense against UAVs does not work, simply because it was not created against them.

      Do not tell people)))
      1. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 22 October 2020 13: 15
        +4
        Yea Yea. "They work most effectively on ground targets."
        1. lucul
          lucul 22 October 2020 13: 30
          -2
          Yea Yea. "They work most effectively on ground targets."

          How many Bayraktars were destroyed, and how many Shells were destroyed? )))
          1. OgnennyiKotik
            OgnennyiKotik 22 October 2020 13: 35
            0
            How many shells were fired, how many soldiers were killed?
            1. lucul
              lucul 22 October 2020 13: 39
              -2
              How many shells were fired, how many soldiers were killed?

              So how many Bayraktars are lost, and how many Shells are lost? )))
              How do Bayraktars feel in Libya now?
              1. pytar
                pytar 22 October 2020 14: 10
                +8
                So how many Bayraktars are lost, and how many Shells are lost? )))

                It's not even worth counting here. The destruction of the Carapace is almost always associated with the destruction of personnel! And these are people! And how many UAV operators were killed ??? Bayrakty is riveted as needed, no problem! What is the ratio of the probabilities, from the death of the Armor operator to the death of the UAV operator? Take the place of the soldiers! Circling over your head, some kind of iron that is about to kill you, but you can not do anything against an opponent sitting for hundreds or even thousands of kilometers! request
                1. lucul
                  lucul 22 October 2020 14: 18
                  -3
                  Even counting is not worth it. The destruction of the Carapace is almost always associated with the destruction of personnel!

                  Seriously ? And the destroyed Armor with empty ammunition and an abandoned crew, or the Armor in a stowed state, is also associated with the destruction of personnel?
                  Bayrakty is riveted as needed, no problem!

                  How much is needed - is it $ 5 million apiece? Nu-nu)))
                  Take the place of the soldiers! Circling over your head, some kind of iron that is about to kill you, and you can do nothing against an opponent sitting for hundreds, or even thousands of kilometers!

                  I'll tell you more - if you have an American military base in your country, or an American missile defense system, then many megaton-class missiles are also aimed at you, and you can't do anything either, in which case)))
                  1. pytar
                    pytar 22 October 2020 15: 16
                    +3
                    And the destroyed Carapaces with empty ammunition and an abandoned crew, or Carapaces in a stowed state, are also associated with the destruction of personnel?

                    Destruction of the non-working and the Carapace from the crew is still the elimination of the Carapace. In the second case, the crew was NOT lucky ...
                    How much is needed - is it $ 5 million apiece? Nu-nu)))

                    Let's say you get killed by one such thing! How much do you estimate the loss? This is an irreversible loss! And the destroyed UAV will be replaced with another one for some 5 million dollars.
                    I'll tell you more - if you have an American military base in your country, or an American missile defense system, then many megaton-class missiles are also aimed at you, and you can't do anything either, in which case)))

                    I'll tell you even more - if the exchange of megaton charges begins, no one will be left alive! For that, these charges sit in storage, as a guarantee of disuse. For this reason, a global thermonuclear conflict is unlikely. But local ones happen all the time, and as we can see, UAVs largely influence the course of battles!
                    1. lucul
                      lucul 22 October 2020 16: 48
                      -3
                      Let's say you get killed by one such thing! How much do you estimate the loss? This is an irreversible loss! And the destroyed UAV will be replaced with another one for some 5 million dollars.

                      Take an interest - the use of UAVs in Libya - you will learn a lot of new things for yourself)))
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    3. Dimon71
      Dimon71 22 October 2020 13: 16
      0
      A simple example: Iran landed a state-owned UAV. It did not shoot down, but it landed. And it seems that the Armenians also landed a Jewish UAV in the summer!
      1. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 22 October 2020 13: 20
        +4
        Tales from the Vienna Woods. The UAV just broke down and fell. All. Everything else is fairy tales from social networks, where is the evidence that it was grounded by electronic warfare, at least some? Video? Confirmed eyewitness accounts? Yesterday Su-34 and F / A-18 fell, also electronic warfare?
        1. lucul
          lucul 22 October 2020 13: 41
          +4
          Tales from the Vienna Woods. The UAV just broke down and fell. All. Everything else is fairy tales from social networks, where is the evidence that it was grounded by electronic warfare, at least some? Video?

          Why cheat like that? ))))
          Because if the UAV broke down and fell, it would crash / be damaged))))
          And the Iranians showed the WHOLE (undamaged) UAV)))
          Therefore, it is the interception of control)))
          1. OgnennyiKotik
            OgnennyiKotik 22 October 2020 13: 52
            -3

            February 2, 1970 An American Convair F-106 Delta Dart sat down without damage on the field after the pilot ejected.

            The crash of the MiG-23 in Belgium is a plane crash that occurred on Tuesday July 4, 1989. The fighter MiG-23M of the USSR Air Force took off from the Kolobrzeg airfield in Poland, but it had a temporary interruption in the operation of the engine (surge). After the engine failure, the pilot ejected, and the uncontrolled plane flew 901 kilometers over the territory of the GDR, Germany, the Netherlands and Belgium and fell on a residential building near the Franco-Belgian border. 1 person died on the ground.

            Is it all electronic warfare too?
            1. lucul
              lucul 22 October 2020 14: 13
              -1
              Is it all electronic warfare too?

              Laughter . Can you tell the difference between planning and falling? )))
        2. Interlocutor
          Interlocutor 22 October 2020 15: 43
          +2
          Tales from the Vienna Woods. The UAV just broke down and fell.


          How do you know?
        3. Motorist
          Motorist 22 October 2020 22: 00
          0
          Quote: OgnennyiKotik
          The UAV just broke and fell

          The news then wrote (and on VO? I don’t remember exactly) that the Iranians, with the help of Avtobaza, interrupted the Riper’s communication channel, and the latter went to land “no matter where” (he had such an algorithm) .. EMNIP, of course. hi
      2. pytar
        pytar 22 October 2020 14: 32
        +1
        Nothing has landed. Fairy tales! UAVs of this type are very complex. They have protection against "burglary", which is very difficult to "break". If the channels of information transmission are interrupted, or will be "hacked", and the device starts receiving a suspicious command, it turns off / eliminates these commands, which is taken care of by the system for analyzing the incoming data. Immediately after this, the UAV goes into a fully autonomous / protective / flight mode, until it returns to the place of departure. The database providing him with autonomy cannot be reprogrammed, cannot be changed, except "in his house." But technical breakdowns and falls / planning to the ground, do not turn off. During planning, the device can remain almost intact, if for some reason the self-destruction system does not turn on. This probably happened with the cases you described. Of course, propaganda presents everything differently, but that's okay ... bully
        1. Anton Svetlov
          Anton Svetlov 23 October 2020 00: 55
          +1
          Not so simple. Suppressors of drones, in addition to radio control channels, first of all clog the signals of satellites of systems, according to which UAVs fly and return, and they still cannot fly along ballistic trajectories like missiles, or like American tomahawks along the bases of scanned terrain.
          1. pytar
            pytar 23 October 2020 10: 48
            0
            Not so simple. In addition to radio control channels, drone jammers block primarily the signals of the satellites of the systems, according to which the UAVs fly and return ...

            Of course, not everything is so simple! Therefore, system orientation, independent of GPS, are being developed. Recently on VO there was an article about such an Israeli system.
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    5. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 22 October 2020 16: 27
      +7
      Quote: OgnennyiKotik
      Here is an example of effective defense against air threats, how many such bases can you have? Is it possible to protect the troops in this way?
      Three echelons can be distinguished in the anti-aircraft missile defense of the Khmeimim airbase:

      • Long-range approaches to the defended object are provided by long-range systems - the S-400 Triumph air defense system and the S-200VE Vega air defense system.
      • At medium ranges, the S-300FM "Fort" and "Buk-M2E" medium-range air defense systems are engaged in the fight against the air enemy.
      • Short-range air defense missile systems "Osa-AKM" and S-125 "Pechora-2M".
      And, finally, the Pantsir-S400 short-range air defense missile system should be considered as a means of direct cover for the main object and the S-1 Triumph air defense system.

      Khos-spodya ... who wrote that about Khmeimim's air defense? They would have mentioned KS-19 and AK-130. smile

      Let's start in order:
      • Long-range approaches to the defended object are provided by long-range systems - the S-400 Triumph air defense system and the S-200VE Vega air defense system.

      "Vega" there is Syrian, we have it written off for five years due to its complete obsolescence.
      A really useful air defense missile system DD in Khmeimim is only S-400.
      • At medium ranges, the S-300FM "Fort" and "Buk-M2E" medium-range air defense systems are engaged in the fight against the air enemy.

      The S-300FM "Fort" is a shipborne air defense system. Where is he from in Khmeimim? Or is he closing Syria from Sevastopol?
      SAM SD in Khmeimim - only "Buk".
      • Short-range air defense missile systems "Osa-AKM" and S-125 "Pechora-2M".

      Syrian again. The S-125 was decommissioned back in the 90s. And "Osa-AKM" now can only represent air defense.
      But about "Thor" they forgot.
      And, finally, the Pantsir-S400 short-range air defense missile system should be considered as a means of direct cover for the main object and the S-1 Triumph air defense system.

      But this is ours.
      So, from the entire set of "Khmeimim's air defense systems" to create an air defense system on the model of this base, the following are needed: S-400, Buk, Tor, and Pantsir. This can be achieved by air defense forces of the division level, reinforced by the DD air defense system, transferred "from above". In the Aerospace Forces non-military air defense system, Buk and Tor (army complexes) drop out of the system, but the Buk niche can be occupied by the S-350.
      1. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 22 October 2020 16: 29
        -4
        I am using the official source.
        https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/2650477
    6. malyvalv
      malyvalv 22 October 2020 16: 40
      +1
      "So give examples with evidence of the destruction of electronic warfare drones"

      The Iranians have already landed the most sophisticated American UAV. Showed that can electronic warfare who has it.
    7. The eye of the crying
      The eye of the crying 22 October 2020 18: 53
      0
      Quote: OgnennyiKotik
      Air defense against UAVs does not work, simply because it was not created against them.


      SAM does not care whether there is a pilot in Bayraktar or not. If she can reach him, he is not a tenant. It's just that the Armenian Wasps cannot get it. That's the whole secret to the effectiveness of the UAV.
    8. t-12
      t-12 23 October 2020 13: 38
      +2
      A fighter, in order to shoot down a UAV, needs to find it

      It is not necessary to detect UAVs, but airfields with UAV. And cover airfields with high-precision missiles. AND heavy UAVs (which need an airfield) will be gone.

      Easy UAVs do not need an aerodrome, but they have a shorter range, which makes it possible to detect (and destroy) control points (which requires electronic reconnaissance).

      Well, passive protection measures - camouflage, decoys, dispersal. Penny "inflatable tanks" would have saved a lot of real technology. And no trucks with people, all movements on small armored vehicles (3-4 people).
  9. Nasdaq
    Nasdaq 22 October 2020 12: 35
    +4
    Yes, the Armenian leadership in Karabakh sends only "volunteers" to the campaign.
    As if afraid to light up normal weapons there.
    Without air defense, the Karabakh forces are like a dash. So they can put the squeeze on.
    This is not a question of technology, but of a political decision not to use modern systems.
    1. Livonetc
      Livonetc 22 October 2020 12: 48
      +9
      Or maybe Pashinyan's goal is as follows.
      Drain Karabakh under the groaning like an uncomfortable bag on a hump.
      1. novel66
        novel66 22 October 2020 13: 42
        +6
        not a goal, but an order!
  10. Konnick
    Konnick 22 October 2020 12: 39
    +1
    "Equipped with radar detectors based on promising flat PFARs, as well as PFAR guidance radars, the Tor-M2KM complexes (in the case of integration into a single network-centric air defense-missile defense system in conjunction with the Buk-M2 air defense system as part of a mixed anti-aircraft missile brigade) could easily fend off the strike potential of the "Harop", not to mention the lawlessness wrought by the links of the "Bayraktar". "

    It's too late to drink Borzhom ... if only there would be.
  11. Old tanker
    Old tanker 22 October 2020 12: 50
    +9
    Damantsev in your own style! I fell asleep with three minutes of the article, but I did not understand the essence. Our scout does not fly over Dagestan and does not transfer data to an ally in the CSTO because the ally, Armenia, de jure does not participate in the war with Azerbaijan.
  12. Ros 56
    Ros 56 22 October 2020 12: 55
    +4
    To use the combat potential of technology, you must at least be able to do this, and for this you need a lot and it is difficult to learn, A.V. Suvorov spoke about this. And combat training and bargaining are somehow difficult to combine.
  13. Runway
    Runway 22 October 2020 13: 08
    +1
    Suggestion to the author: study the geography of the zbd, not use gambling slang and provide a list of concerned military experts.
    wink
    And before writing nonsense about the Armenians not using DRUMS over NK (outside the GG of Armenia), it is worth thinking and counting on your fingers the operating time / load of the pilot in the zone and the UAV operator on the launcher.
  14. Alexander Kopychev
    Alexander Kopychev 22 October 2020 13: 13
    +2
    The author has filled up with his knowledge of the performance characteristics of everything and everyone ... And the videoconferencing system is inactive. I am sure that in the headquarters of the Aerospace Forces and the Air Defense of the Russian Federation, everyone is on their ears and the officers do not sleep at home ... And the fact that they do not report to us ...
  15. Doctor Evil
    Doctor Evil 22 October 2020 14: 10
    +7
    Again Nikifor sold out:
    "Gavrila served on the Su-30.
    I didn't fly to reconnaissance at all. "
    Further, a quote from the classics: "Tell me honestly, Lyapsus, why are you writing about what you have never seen in your life and about which you have not the slightest idea? Ilf and Petrov. 12 chairs.
  16. SaLaR
    SaLaR 22 October 2020 14: 30
    -1
    Traders are not warriors ...
  17. Old26
    Old26 22 October 2020 21: 01
    +2
    Quote: OgnennyiKotik
    It happened. Remember what the best computers were at the beginning of the century, what are now cheap smartphones. We do not notice it because we are in it.

    That's for sure. For a year that way, in 2005-2006, we stood in a pub, drank foam. One of the comrades showed his phone with the Internet (we all had ordinary ones, and his wife gave him such a cool one). And who would have thought that after about 10 years, there will be practically no phones (except for the simplest and cheapest ones) in which there would be no Internet.
  18. Flavius
    Flavius 23 October 2020 00: 09
    -1
    Or maybe in the southern direction the traitor signed up for the generals? Or is it just some weak one that urgently needs to be changed? I didn't know that there was such equipment on airplanes. In fact, they may not fly out of Armenia and no one has the right to shoot them down. In the event of an attack on an Armenian plane, Russia has the right to strike.
    1. Grits
      Grits 23 October 2020 13: 58
      0
      Quote: Flavius
      Or maybe in the southern direction a traitor signed up for the generals?

      The main traitor there is Pashinyan
  19. Flavius
    Flavius 23 October 2020 00: 39
    0
    Quote: Oquzyurd
    Yes, they will complete combat missions while moving with the canopy fellow

    You can be ironic while you are not on the battlefield proud of the Israeli and Turkish drones approached the range of a shot and heroically died. And your president won't even want to take your corpse)
  20. Bronekot
    Bronekot 23 October 2020 01: 41
    0
    And you should be informed about all flights?
  21. 547807955
    547807955 23 October 2020 10: 57
    +1
    Nakhichevan market (in Rostov) - for mobilization!
  22. svoit
    svoit 23 October 2020 11: 02
    +1
    Does Armenia have a videoconferencing system? Did not know! Or is he writing about ours
  23. high
    high 23 October 2020 21: 09
    -1
    Apparently, the war in Karabakh is an arms competition between Russia and Israel ....
    Azerbaijan purchased modern precision weapons from Israel:
    - HAROP drones - for the destruction of highly protected targets,
    - huge Hermes drones
    -Barraging ammunition SkyStriker,
    - long-range ground-to-ground ballistic missiles LORA,
    - anti-tank missiles "Spike"
    - multilevel air defense system: anti-aircraft missile system "Barak - 8" with radar complex "Green Pine", SAM "SPYDER-SR", "Iron Dome"
    - portable remote demining systems POMINS-2, capable of creating 50 m long and 1,5 m wide passages in minefields in half a minute.
    - V-300 grenade launchers, providing penetration of up to 400 mm of homogeneous armor,
    - 155-mm self-propelled gun mounts ATMOS 2000
    By the way, Turkey acquired the technology for the production of its UAVs from Israel ....
    Therefore, Armenia recalled its ambassador from Israel ....
    1. Garris199
      Garris199 24 October 2020 04: 07
      +1
      Armament of the USSR in the 70s and modern Israel even then.
  24. Vlad_S
    Vlad_S 24 October 2020 20: 56
    +1
    The Turks said that if Armenia starts using aviation, they will fit in. And neither we nor Armenia need this
  25. Bilal
    Bilal 25 October 2020 10: 46
    -1
    Here is a part of an article from the Russian website avia.pro (with a pro-Armenian one):

    Armenia has criticized Russian Su-30SM fighters.

    The Ministry of Defense of the Republic of Armenia announced that despite the use of Russian Su-30SM fighters, these combat aircraft are completely useless in terms of their use, in particular, the limited tactical capabilities of the Russian Su-30SM are reported.

    "Su-30SM fighters are limited in their tactical capabilities, but they are used," said representatives of the Armenian Defense Ministry.

    Under the limited tactical capabilities, most likely, we should mean the detection of Su-30SM fighters by Azerbaijan's air defense systems, especially taking into account flights at high altitudes.
    More details at: https://avia.pro/news/minoborony-armenii-istrebiteli-su-30sm-prodemonstrirovali-nizkiy-potencial


    You sell, and even on credit. And instead of thanks ...
  26. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 28 October 2020 12: 32
    0
    First, we must recognize the NKR ... then sign an agreement with Armenia, to mobilize. Then, after the attack on Azerbaijani territory, expect a blow to Armenia itself. And expect the entry into the war of Azerbaijan's ally - Turkey.
    And this is against the background of the fact that Armenia receives fuel only from Iran and railroad cargo for military purposes from nowhere. Georgia is also blocking transport.
  27. Pacific
    Pacific 29 October 2020 08: 12
    0
    "To our great regret, this time we have witnessed the utter carelessness and incompetence of the actions of the MFA commands and the Armenian air defense forces."
    Mr. Damantsev, are you serious? Are you sorry? Do you regret that the Armenian military forces are not effective enough on the territory of a foreign state? Borders and international law are empty words for you? Well, congratulations! And I would like to wish the German armed forces sufficient effectiveness in regaining Konigsberg.