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The fall of the defense in the south of Nagorno-Karabakh was expected

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For three weeks, journalists and authors of numerous jingoistic domestic and Armenian military-analytical portals, blogs and "Telegram" -channels continued to blindly report exclusively on successful defensive actions, and sometimes local "counter-offensive attacks" of mechanized units of the Army of Armenia and the Nagorno AO -Karabakh Republic in the vicinity of the settlements of Jabrayil, Hadrut and Fizuli, referring exclusively to the data provided under the appropriate sauce by the Armenian and Karabakh official sources (central media, as well as the representative of the RA Defense Ministry Artsrun Hovhannisyan). But the operational-tactical situation in Artsakh, engulfed in the next round of the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict, is not developing in favor of Stepanakert and Yerevan.


Successful offensive throw targeting the southern regions of Artsakh. To the fanfare of the upcoming Armenian-Azerbaijani talks in Moscow


Despite the very effective actions of anti-tank subunits, as well as rocket artillery divisions of the NKR Defense Army both on the southern and northern fronts of the Nagorno-Karabakh theater of military operations, regularly confirmed in numerous video reports of Armenian and Karabakh military correspondents over the past three weeks, motorized rifle brigades 1 of the 3st and XNUMXrd Army Corps of the Azerbaijan Army (with direct aviation support from the Bayraktar TB2 strike and reconnaissance drones and the IAI Harop kamikaze UAVs) still managed not only to maintain combat stability and continue to develop the offensive in the northwestern ON (with the final capture of Jabrail, Hadrut and Fizuli), but also to carry out a sudden rush along the Iranian-Karabakh border (on the western OH) to an operational depth of about 35 km.

The tactical bridgehead formed in the course of this throw, covering a number of settlements along the Araks river bed, will already in the foreseeable future provide units of the Azerbaijani army (with appropriate aviation and artillery support) the possibility of carrying out offensive operations in the northern operational direction (along the Aker river bed) with the final establishment visual and fire control of the cities of Urekan and Vurgavan that are strategically important for the NKR AO, and then with the likely formation of a southern tactical "cauldron" with further access to the Lachin corridor, which is much more critical for Artsakh.

The possible implementation of this scenario by the Azerbaijani Army Command is indirectly evidenced by the fact that over the past two weeks of the next escalation round in the Nagorno-Karabakh theater of operations, fortified areas of the NKR Defense Army in Urekan, Vurgavan and a number of settlements located along the Berdzor-Vardanats highway are regularly subjected to missile -artillery strikes from the side of rocket artillery battalions and artillery batteries of the Azerbaijan Army. These actions of the Azerbaijani military formations can be interpreted only as "long-playing" and exhausting artillery preparation before the forthcoming assault on the backbone of the NKR southern grouping.

It is to such a disappointing conclusion that one can come even after a brief acquaintance with the operational-tactical situation in the Karabakh theater of operations, provided by the online tactical map caucasus.liveuamap.com with reference to local military correspondents and competent sources in the defense departments of Armenia, NKR and Azerbaijan.

Despite a number of compelling substantiations of operational-tactical and organizational nature, the above forecast is not final and may undergo dramatic changes in the event that the command of the Armenian Armed Forces immediately implements extraordinary tactics with the verified use of modern short-range air defense missile systems "Tor-M2KM" in network-centric coordination with medium complexes. range of "Buk-M2E" (instead of using only the outdated self-propelled air defense systems "Osa-AKM"), as well as other countermeasures that were never taken by Yerevan in the real theater of military operations.
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  1. parusnik
    parusnik 20 October 2020 05: 52
    +4
    fanfare of the upcoming Armenian-Azerbaijani talks in Moscow
    ... Somehow more worried about future negotiations between the parties, regardless of the outcome of hostilities and subsequent events.
    1. 210ox
      210ox 20 October 2020 06: 04
      16
      He'll talk about the shelling in an hour. That's all the negotiations.
      1. kenig1
        kenig1 20 October 2020 07: 00
        +4
        But there is an information background and an agenda about the ceasefire adopted in Moscow.
        1. Evil543
          Evil543 20 October 2020 07: 19
          -6
          The Armenian leaders said yesterday that Russia has the right to help Armenia because terrorists have appeared there.
          1. New Year day
            New Year day 20 October 2020 09: 18
            24
            Quote: Evil543
            like he said that Russia has the right to help Armenia because terrorists appeared there.

            Precisely stated that Russia has every right to conduct an anti-terrorist operation on the territory of Azerbaijan against the Azerbaijanis (apparently the cuckoo has completely flown away)
            1. Anton Yu
              Anton Yu 20 October 2020 17: 48
              +5
              But I wonder what this book is about? Erich Feigl - The Truth About Terror Armenian Terrorism - Origins and Causes.
              1. Oprichnik
                Oprichnik 21 October 2020 22: 22
                +2
                About Armenian terrorism, for example, about the explosions in the Moscow metro and shop in the 80s. and an attempt to arrange for the next year the explosions of dozens of guided mines on the columns of demonstrators on November 7 (the holiday of the Revolution). And also in the days before the Revolution, the Armenians were marked by numerous terrorist attacks against civil servants of the Russian Empire. Perhaps the Turks were somewhat right, having arranged for them a sweep in 1915 ???.
            2. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 20 October 2020 19: 05
              +4
              ..... you see quite a cuckoo ......
              yes their cuckoo is noticeable! But why does he think that Russia will comply? Or so, just in case to say.
          2. Vladimir61
            Vladimir61 20 October 2020 11: 54
            +3
            Quote: Evil543
            The Armenian leaders said yesterday that Russia has the right to help Armenia because terrorists have appeared there.
            If Russia has confirmed data on the presence of a terrorist group at a specific time and in a specific place, given the appropriate political moment, then this is not assistance to Armenia, it is the destruction of terrorists regardless of their location and affiliation, as is done, for example, by Israel, USA, France. The problem is that there is no concretely confirmed data. We have historical, good-neighborly relations with Azerbaijan. In addition, the latter denies the presence of such on its territory, does not ask for help in their destruction, and in fact is in an armed conflict not with Karabakh, but with another, the same “partner” of Russia.
            1. NEOZ
              NEOZ 20 October 2020 14: 15
              +5
              Quote: Vladimir61
              is the destruction of terrorists regardless of their location and affiliation,

              I directly see how Azrbzh, after the Russian strike, shows the bodies of his military, claiming that this is the result of the strike of the Russian Federation.
              1. MKPU-115
                MKPU-115 20 October 2020 16: 48
                -2
                Quote: NEOZ
                I directly see how Azrbzh, after the Russian strike, shows the bodies of his military, claiming that this is the result of the strike of the Russian Federation.

                A similar thing already happened when the barmaleevs were razed to the ground on the M-5 motorway in Syria, and the Turkish servicemen accompanying them got mixed up. Killed 33.
                Aviation of the Russian Aerospace Forces did not strike in the area of ​​the Syrian settlement of Behun, where Turkish soldiers were killed.
                Everything was written off then to the Syrians, but here they will write off to the Armenians. yes
          3. FRoman1984
            FRoman1984 21 October 2020 04: 21
            +9
            Quote: Evil543
            The Armenian leaders said yesterday that Russia has the right to help Armenia because terrorists have appeared there.

            Yes, I heard it too. He wants the Russian soldier to die there instead of the Armenians. He went to ... !!
            Hypocritical people. As something happens - Russia becomes a friend, they ask for protection.
            I am deeply convinced that we should not interfere in the conflict and close the borders with them! Let them solve their own problems.
          4. Seal
            Seal 21 October 2020 11: 38
            10
            The Armenian leaders said yesterday that Russia has the right to help Armenia because terrorists have appeared there.
            How many of these teachers are from Armenia ??? And each one teaches us what to do. In the TV (pah at him), no matter how you look - they are the same: Bagdasarov, Kurginyan, Simonyan; Araik Stepanyan; Andranik Migranyan; Armen Gasparyan, Karine Gevorkyan, etc. etc. And everyone teaches us how to live and behave properly. Now Pashinyan also took over our leadership. am
            1. Homeland
              Homeland 21 October 2020 13: 37
              -1
              Why don't you drive them out of Russian television ???
            2. Oprichnik
              Oprichnik 21 October 2020 22: 26
              -1
              "And the answer is terribly simple and the only answer" (V. Vysotsky) - to deport them to their historical homeland and let them decide for themselves what and how they should do. Even during the Soviet era, they freely traveled to France and the USA "to connect with relatives". Here is the road with a tablecloth !!!
        2. Stas157
          Stas157 20 October 2020 07: 29
          26
          Despite the prophetic conclusions (many on the site), that the Azerbaijanis lost time (the blitzkrieg failed) and therefore, they say, their attack is doomed to failure, a completely different scenario is coming true.

          As well as I wrote. Having an overwhelming advantage in military terms, in technology and in human resources, Azerbaijan is not so important the factor of time and surprise.

          Azerbaijan may well lead the company slowly, rolling like a roller on a weaker enemy. What we in general observe. Russia has been fighting in Syria for the fifth year. And this does not prevent her from winning.

          The current success of Azerbaijan is quite natural and we expect, and our urya patriots again hit the sky with their fingers.
          1. dzvero
            dzvero 20 October 2020 09: 25
            +8
            In some ways I agree with you, in others I do not.
            The fact that the success of the Azerbaijani army in the south is natural and expected - yes. Too much resources are incomparable, from the word at all.
            On the other hand, time and surprise factors are always important. The fact that the Azerbaijani troops went over to squeezing out suggests that the initial plan for a quick breakthrough of the fortified area, followed by the encirclement of the enemy, failed. The pace of advance is about one to one and a half kilometers per day. If there were no losses, then - yes, such a decision would be quite justified. But there are losses, and they are not negligible. Those. it was not an easy walk behind the barrage, but quite serious battles.
            At the moment, the failure of the initial plan is not critical for Azerbaijan. The current losses are more critical for the NCR because they are much more difficult to replenish. Most likely, after the occupation of the lowlands in the south, the troops will push against the mountains and the conflict will drag on. The most logical thing to expect in November is an attempt at major offensives from the south to Lachin and Stepanakert, with a simultaneous renewal of actions in the north and the opening of a new direction in the east to pin down the NKR forces. Let's see how the opponents will behave in the mountains ...
          2. CSKA
            CSKA 20 October 2020 10: 10
            23
            Quote: Stas157
            and our urya patriots again hit the sky with a finger.

            What are our patriots? Even here, on the forum, almost everyone does not accept either side.
            1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
              Boris ⁣ Shaver 20 October 2020 19: 58
              +4
              Quote: CSKA
              What are our patriots?

              And this is the fashion nowadays. He threw the "phi" to the invisible urapatriots and seemed to be smarter by an entire academic degree, as if he had ascended above a gray mass.
            2. Dreamboat
              Dreamboat 20 October 2020 22: 55
              +1
              author -> author -> author wrote here about the confirmed video data on the losses of Azerbaijan. Where are these videos ?! Smudged pictures of a shot at some car against the background of stories about a repulsed attack of 8 or 80 T-90s ... tales of 100 downed military aircraft, 20 of which are Su-25 and at least 4 F-16 wassat ... And full readiness for concessions and negotiations. Unlike Azerbaijan, the Armenians do not confirm their tales in any way and the treasuries leave new territories every day.
          3. MKPU-115
            MKPU-115 20 October 2020 16: 51
            -11 qualifying.
            Quote: Stas157
            and our urya patriots again hit the sky with a finger.

            Our?
            Ours teach Armenians with someone else's hands, and when necessary, they will stop this war once or twice. Need to explain how?
          4. Boris ⁣ Shaver
            Boris ⁣ Shaver 20 October 2020 19: 52
            0
            Quote: Stas157
            The factor of time and surprise is not so important for Azerbaijan

            Sure. Several thousand extra corpses and an additional n-th amount of money spent for Azerbaijan does not care. That is why they closed the information about their losses practically completely and are dragging from Syria already the second batch of cannon fodder.

            Quote: Stas157
            Russia has been fighting in Syria for the fifth year. And this does not prevent her from winning.

            Russia in Syria does not conduct a ground operation on its own, and therefore the losses are simply incomparable. There is no room for comparisons.
          5. Dreamboat
            Dreamboat 20 October 2020 22: 48
            +2
            Quote: Stas157
            Despite the prophetic conclusions (many on the site), that the Azerbaijanis lost time (the blitzkrieg failed) and therefore, they say, their attack is doomed to failure, a completely different scenario is coming true.

            As well as I wrote. Having an overwhelming advantage in military terms, in technology and in human resources, Azerbaijan is not so important the factor of time and surprise.

            Azerbaijan may well lead the company slowly, rolling like a roller on a weaker enemy. What we in general observe. Russia has been fighting in Syria for the fifth year. And this does not prevent her from winning.

            The current success of Azerbaijan is quite natural and we expect, and our urya patriots again hit the sky with their fingers.

            The "Urya patriots" turned away from the army, as did the rosy parting Armenian leadership. Therefore, they do not understand that with an overwhelming advantage in the air, heroic defense against a non-advancing enemy is not a reason for medals. It is simply a "shooting range" where the main types of weapons of the defenders are mowed down daily and methodically. And then, almost without hindrance, they occupy another city.
    2. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 20 October 2020 06: 16
      +6
      Notice how the Harop's aiming frame differs from the Baikatars. Here is a selection of Harop's work.
      1. Livonetc
        Livonetc 20 October 2020 08: 50
        +2
        An Armenian sniper with a Serbian Zastava rifle.
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 20 October 2020 09: 20
          +5
          Quote: Livonetc
          An Armenian sniper with a Serbian Zastava rifle.

          And Pashinyan only accused Azerbaijan of buying weapons laughing
        2. yehat2
          yehat2 20 October 2020 15: 26
          +5
          there is not enough triangular hat and a sparkling crystal on the muzzle brake to pass for a magician)))
      2. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 20 October 2020 14: 44
        +5
        Why did everyone cling to the Harop and Bayraktors? laughing
        The main attack UAV for Azerbaijanis is Elbit 450, the main kamikaze is Azerbaijani Zerbe (licensed Sky Stayker). There are much fewer Turkish drones and Harops.
        1. MKPU-115
          MKPU-115 20 October 2020 16: 55
          +7
          Quote: Krasnodar
          There are much fewer harops there

          Don't be shy. laughing
          Who needs to remember Israel's contribution to the victorious war AZ. yes
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 20 October 2020 17: 23
            -1
            So Zerbe is done under an Israeli license)) And Ejiofor in Israel itself laughing
    3. Megatron
      Megatron 20 October 2020 17: 52
      +1
      It is to this disappointing conclusion that one can come even after a brief acquaintance with the operational-tactical situation in the Karabakh theater of operations.


      Damantsev is also for the Armenians?
      Maybe authors should be more neutral to present information?
  2. Aleks2048
    Aleks2048 20 October 2020 05: 57
    25
    Perhaps the first article by Damantsev is not full of technical terms. Apparently, at home, the author still sometimes speaks in simple Russian, and not in technical.
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 20 October 2020 06: 19
      +9
      Yes, but with the last obzat he still, in his own style, "spoiled" it)))
      All these extraordinary, verified, network-centric.
      Break the mind of the reader and leave indigestible sensation.
    2. shahor
      shahor 21 October 2020 12: 07
      0
      Quote: Alex2048
      Perhaps the first article by Damantsev is not full of technical terms.

      So it is so, but the author could not resist, he recommended the Armenians to more actively use the capabilities of the network-centric organization ... Otherwise, they do not use it very actively. Do the Armed Forces of Armenia know what it is? Damantsev ...
  3. Deniska999
    Deniska999 20 October 2020 06: 08
    15
    As always, not a single map ... I remember that during the Donbas conflict and the Syrian campaign, maps were drawn after each recaptured village.
    1. Asad
      Asad 20 October 2020 06: 16
      +7
      I agree with you, I'm tired of the information noise! Indeed a map with real results from uninterested sources!
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 20 October 2020 08: 04
      21
      Here is a map. In the south, just a priest - and a race to the mountains, in the north, standing.
      1. Deniska999
        Deniska999 20 October 2020 08: 48
        0
        So by the end of the month they will reach the borders with Armenia through Karabakh. Thank you very much for the map.
      2. NEOZ
        NEOZ 20 October 2020 14: 30
        0
        Quote: donavi49
        Here is a map. In the south, just a priest - and a race to the mountains, in the north, standing.

        maybe it's not as scary as it might seem ...
      3. armenk
        armenk 20 October 2020 16: 57
        -16 qualifying.
        The southern bag slammed shut and began to boil. Hello turkoterrorists and all singers.
        1. 210ox
          210ox 20 October 2020 17: 58
          +8
          Well, show me how it is cooked?
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        2. Grits
          Grits 21 October 2020 14: 06
          +1
          Quote: armenk
          The southern bag slammed shut and began to boil.

          Has it already slammed shut? And how will they slam? Is there any strength for this?
          There are no strategists and tacticians there to create the Izvarinsky, Ilovaisky and Debaltsevsky "sachets"
    3. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 20 October 2020 08: 11
      -2
      Here, too, in the internet there are maps online.
      And in Syria, too, the first years of the conflict, these media were very disliked to show maps
      1. Deniska999
        Deniska999 20 October 2020 08: 49
        +2
        I perfectly understand that somewhere they are, but I wanted to see them in the publication in order to read and immediately assess the situation.
        1. Livonetc
          Livonetc 20 October 2020 09: 04
          +4
          Quote: Deniska999
          I perfectly understand that somewhere they are, but I wanted to see them in the publication in order to read and immediately assess the situation.

          And you also need to understand the scale in the application to the map.
          We are accustomed to the gigantic size of Russia and its regions.
          Karabakh is tiny.
          Azerbaijan has advanced less than 40 kilometers in the south.
          Много это или мало?
          For a prearranged operation for such a period and with heavy losses, probably not enough.
          However, the defense was quite serious and the terrain was difficult.
          Well, for an example.
          The distance between Fizuli and Stepanokert is about 40 km in a straight line, about 60 km on roads.
    4. New Year day
      New Year day 20 October 2020 10: 32
      +4
      Quote: Deniska999
      As always, not a single card ...


      On October 18
  4. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 20 October 2020 06: 19
    +4
    и can undergo cardinal changes in case of immediate implementation by the command of the Armed Forces of Armenia extraordinary tactics с verified application modern short-range military air defense missile systems "Tor-M2KM" in network-centric coordination with medium-range complexes "Buk-M2E" (instead of using only outdated self-propelled air defense systems "Osa-AKM"), as well as other countermeasures, which were never accepted by Yerevan in the real theater of military operations.
    belay Are you seriously? It's funny. Failures in politics to correct the competent use of air defense systems, nonsense. Yerevan galloped to Soros and will sip to the fullest, to the nostrils. AzR will take control of NKR.
    "And I am eating an apple and looking out the window," until Turkey climbed into Azerbaijan. Then we will quickly separate everyone in the corners.
  5. Runway
    Runway 20 October 2020 06: 19
    +6
    The last two paragraphs are just fire. The author introduced a new term "military formations" (cutting off unnecessary items in military units and military formations).
  6. Ka-52
    Ka-52 20 October 2020 06: 32
    24
    Immediate implementation by the command of the Armenian Armed Forces of extraordinary tactics with the verified use of modern short-range military air defense systems "Tor-M2KM" in network-centric coordination with medium-range complexes "Buk-M2E"

    Armenians have no extraordinary tactics. Didn't come up with it. All this time they were busy building the largest American embassy in the world.
    1. NDR-791
      NDR-791 20 October 2020 06: 55
      +6
      Armenians have no extraordinary tactics. Didn't come up with it.
      That is, except that wars are not won by defense. Soros have only one wonderful property - to destroy everything they have reached.
      1. Artavazdych
        Artavazdych 20 October 2020 08: 30
        -3
        I specially read the biography of Pashinyan, and I did not form an opinion about him as a "little soro". By the way, this is a term coined by Aliyev. A topic for reflection - under the influence of whose information field we are.
        to destroy everything that they have reached.

        Armenian GDP growth for 19-th year was 7,5% (wikipedia).
        1. NDR-791
          NDR-791 20 October 2020 08: 56
          +7
          Armenian GDP growth for 19-th year was 7,5% (wikipedia).
          So they consider it according to the amerskoy model - they issued loans for a billion in total turnover, here's a GDP growth by the corresponding percentage. And about the information field, sometimes you have to think so with your brain, even if it is pouring from the TV ...
          1. Artavazdych
            Artavazdych 20 October 2020 09: 03
            +1
            sometimes you have to think with your brain, even if it pours from the TV ...
            So I initially called for this (I have not had a TV since the late 90s)
            So they consider him according to the American model - they issued loans for a billion
            Justify, at least with Wikipedia.
            1. NDR-791
              NDR-791 20 October 2020 09: 19
              -3
              Sorry brizzo wassat
              https://fishki.net/anti/1824949-osobennosti-raschyota-vvp-ssha.html?sign=663608478772007%2C29659054457168
              1. Artavazdych
                Artavazdych 20 October 2020 09: 22
                +1
                No, if we’re talking about Armenian GDP, then we don’t need to talk about methods of calculating GDP in the United States ...
            2. Grits
              Grits 21 October 2020 14: 09
              -1
              Quote: Artavazdych
              I don't have a TV since the late 90s

              belay even a tube?
              1. Artavazdych
                Artavazdych 21 October 2020 14: 30
                -1
                It was a transistor tube, ruby ​​or something. I took it to the trash can at 99, and I didn't have them again
    2. Artavazdych
      Artavazdych 20 October 2020 08: 51
      0
      All this time they were busy building the world's largest American embassy.
      Inquired about the number of staff am. consulates of Armenia. The first article - with the .az domain, the second - on Yandex.Zen, authored by a certain Agdamly Mammadov. Remarkably, the Zen article ends with the words:
      How long will Azerbaijan be in the information blockade?
      Then there is a bunch of videos, and I lost interest in wool information.
      The informational impact of the Azerbaijani side (in fact, Turkish) is worthy of close study.
      1. Ka-52
        Ka-52 20 October 2020 10: 04
        +7
        Inquired about the number of staff am. consulates of Armenia

        IA REGNUM. And the statement about "the largest embassy in the world" was made not by your Zen or some other dirty trick, but by US Ambassador John Ordway himself.
        So no need to dig in the trash - refer to the primary sources. Otherwise, you can get into a mess yes
    3. Flavius
      Flavius 20 October 2020 16: 28
      -2
      I suspect that the owners of Ter-Petrosyan and Pashinyan decided to surrender Karabakh. Ter-Petrosyan himself, when he tried to surrender, fled. Now "experienced". Now, as it were, "we lost in the course of the war." I think that this cannot be forgiven. And the defendants must answer ... Commensurate with the murders that Aliyev and Erdogan carry out. Because judging by the footage, this murder is happening.
    4. MKPU-115
      MKPU-115 20 October 2020 17: 00
      +4
      Quote: Ka-52
      built the world's largest American embassy.

      This is an Armenian STRATEGY, which naturally turned out to be a failure.
  7. TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 20 October 2020 09: 56
    +3
    Such a loud title of the article and an absolute emptiness in the content. Repetition of already known Azerbaijani stamps. Dear strategist, do not consider it a job, explain the transfer of units from the NKAO to the Iranian border. I propose to look at the map - all supplies to the southern group go along the same road. Something will happen to this road - and the strike group will turn into a dying one. For the last couple of days, no victorious reports from Baku have been observed - the offensive has run out of steam, there are no reserves. And further deterioration of weather conditions. I advise you to go somewhere in the mountains, to climb to a height of 2 km. and live there for a couple of days in a tent. They will not shoot at you, there are no mines there either))))
    1. Artavazdych
      Artavazdych 20 October 2020 10: 08
      +1
      You said what I kept silent about!
      Tired of annoying uh ... how is "svidomye" in Azerbaijani?
    2. Angivin
      Angivin 20 October 2020 15: 56
      +3
      Aliyev announced the capture of the city of Zengilan in Nagorno-Karabakh
      BAKU, 20 October 2020, 15:07 - REGNUM The Azerbaijani army occupied the city of Zengilan and a number of other settlements in Nagorno-Karabakh. Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev stated this on October 20 in his address to the people, which was broadcast by the state-run AzTV channel.

      "The Azerbaijani army liberated 24 villages in Fizuli, Jabrayil, Khojavend and Zangilan regions, as well as the city of Zangilan," Aliyev said.


      Details: https://regnum.ru/news/polit/3094446.html
      Any use of materials is allowed only if there is a hyperlink to REGNUM.
      1. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 20 October 2020 17: 51
        0
        They did not report anything about the capture of Berlin?))))
        1. Angivin
          Angivin 20 October 2020 22: 14
          +1
          The attentive reader will see Zangilan in the message, not Berlin))
          1. TermNachTer
            TermNachTer 20 October 2020 22: 59
            0
            And if an attentive reader, carefully looked at the map, he would see where Zangelan is, and where is the Lachin corridor. The liberation of the village - 4 thousand inhabitants, which for some reason is called a city, is presented as a success of a strategic scale)))) Azerbaijan is advancing in the wrong place, but where it is easier. You will go to the border with Armenia, so what? What will Iran say about this? Information has already passed that Iran has inflicted artillery strikes on the positions of Azerbaijani troops and that they are already beginning to withdraw troops from Karabakh and transfer them to the south, to the Iranian border.
            1. Angivin
              Angivin 20 October 2020 23: 54
              +3
              Above, I just quoted from the message of President Aliyev, where it was said about the capture of the city Zangilan.
              With all due respect, but where did you see the mention in my message Lachin corridor or maybe, Berlin's?)))

              As for "Azerbaijan is advancing in the wrong place," it will soon become obvious whether the Azerbaijanis have chosen the right tactics.

              Regarding the Iranians shelling the positions of Azerbaijani units, could you share your independent sources?
              1. TermNachTer
                TermNachTer 21 October 2020 09: 08
                -1
                Alas, the source of information is the Internet, so 50/50, so far no one has confirmed, but also not denied. Although it is quite possible, because Iran has transferred the IRGC to the border. Why not take advantage of the situation and close the problem of Western Azerbaijan for 20-30 years?
                1. Angivin
                  Angivin 22 October 2020 18: 33
                  0
                  Perhaps the IRGC was thrown over, although these are rumors, nothing more. Rather, just a reinsurance in the event of force majeure, or a hint so that they know the boundaries in the literal and figurative sense. Although, Aliyev has repeatedly stated that he does not pretend to be superfluous. And relations with Iran have been on the rise in recent years. Azerbaijan has provided Iran with a loan for hundreds of millions of Baku, is building shopping complexes on the Astara-Astara border, including on the Iranian part of the border, and many other facilities as part of the North-South strategic project. Sanctioned Iran needs good relations with its northern neighbor at this stage.
                  This is one of the reasons why I consider the "information" about Iran's shelling of Azerbaijani units as mere rumors.)
                  1. TermNachTer
                    TermNachTer 22 October 2020 18: 38
                    -1
                    There are no eternal friends, only the eternal interests of the state, in the understanding of those who are in power. As one of the greats said: "When a service is rendered, it costs nothing."
            2. Grits
              Grits 21 October 2020 14: 15
              0
              Quote: TermNachTER
              Azerbaijan is advancing in the wrong place, but where it is easier.

              What else can they do? It's dumb to climb the mountains - it's hard, cold, and they can shoot from behind the bushes. And it is easier along the river valley, practically on the plain. Moreover, from above, everything that is in sight has already been cleaned out by drones - put yourself flags and spank stickers.
      2. Artura
        Artura 21 October 2020 11: 51
        -2
        Aliyev says a lot, Aliyev's tales are for his people. He said that his troops destroyed 2 Yars missile systems)))))))))))
        1. TermNachTer
          TermNachTer 21 October 2020 18: 05
          0
          Yes, I laughed for a long time - to express such nonsense on TV - you need to be able to))) you don't even need to be a military man, you just need to have a drop of mind to understand - where are two Strategic Missile Forces launchers in Karabakh?
  8. Dmitry V.
    Dmitry V. 20 October 2020 10: 40
    +4
    New technologies - kamikaze drones - will leave the Armenian army without equipment, without artillery, paralyze the supply of ammunition, and demoralize the personnel.
    In fact, the Armenian command structure missed the war 5 years ago. Lost "heaven", lose on earth is a matter of time.
    The front rests on the heroism of individual units. Will heroism last for a long time, without air defense, without artillery support, without tanks?

  9. Dmitry V.
    Dmitry V. 20 October 2020 11: 03
    -7
    Russia's position as a peacemaker is more than shameful.

    Arming Baku with T-90 tanks, and then call for peace - how to sell a gun and cartridges to a neighbor who is drunk, and then call on him from behind the fence to prudence - to stop smacking at his neighbor for taking a piece of land from him.
    To the question - why did you sell him a weapon, to use handles and babble - so Erdogash's neighbor would then sell ...
    And so he earned money on the sale of weapons (indirectly involved in inciting the conflict) and participated as a peacemaker, this is petty - base.
    Then, logically, the CSTO did not have to accept Armenia, who guarantees that the conflict will not affect the territorial integrity of Armenia?
    The policy of the Russian Federation is extremely unprincipled and illogical.
    1. Sancho_SP
      Sancho_SP 20 October 2020 11: 22
      11
      Why? Weapons are tools of the world. Most of all tanks and atomic bombs we have in order to use them less often.

      Well, there is simply no need for us to get into this conflict. Azerbaijan will cope without us, and the Armenians have nothing to offer in exchange for help: it is time to do charity work by sending soldiers to die in foreign mountains.
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      2. Dmitry V.
        Dmitry V. 21 October 2020 10: 59
        0
        Quote: Sancho_SP
        Why? Weapons are tools of the world. Most of all tanks and atomic bombs we have in order to use them less often.


        Yes, most of all tanks and atomic charges - maybe it made sense to keep a reasonable amount, which could potentially cause unacceptable damage to the enemy?
        And to direct more funds to medicine, education and infrastructure?

        We have expenses of the Russian Federation in 2019 of 14.6% for national defense (USA 15%)
        healthcare in the Russian Federation 4,1% (USA 24%)
        1. Grits
          Grits 21 October 2020 14: 20
          +2
          Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich
          healthcare in the Russian Federation 4,1% (USA 24%)

          Why, then, do they die from the crown there in batches that we never dreamed of?
    2. Cottager452
      Cottager452 20 October 2020 12: 41
      0
      On the contrary, it is principled and logical: who will give more.
    3. Okolotochny
      Okolotochny 20 October 2020 13: 24
      +7
      We would not sell, we would sell NATO countries, Israel. You would be the first to scream at VO that we are missing out on profits, we do not receive taxes, pensions, scholarships, etc. It is you who are not logical in your alternative populist comments, which have only emotional and informational noise, and ZERO specifics.
    4. MKPU-115
      MKPU-115 20 October 2020 17: 05
      +1
      Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich
      Russia's position as a peacemaker is more than shameful.

      I am sorry, why did you decide that there is a peacekeeping contingent there?
      1. Beringovsky
        Beringovsky 20 October 2020 19: 41
        +2
        Apparently it means the efforts of the Russian Federation in the diplomatic field, that is, the organization of negotiations in Moscow.
    5. Kyrgyz
      Kyrgyz 21 October 2020 14: 44
      0
      It is difficult to say whether a policy is good or bad if you do not know its goal, just as it is difficult to decide on the attitude to multi-vector partners, you invest in it and his vector will change. NKR is a project of Armenia and only Armenia, why do we need expenses for realizing someone's ambitions? Who helps us realize our ambitions? The position of Russia is pragmatic, simple and understandable, it is simply unusual lately in its sanity, we have common affairs with Armenia, but there are also cases that do not concern each other, someone's troops will enter Armenia, it will be possible to talk about the CSTO, and about the sale of weapons this our good product, buy it all, but take it in complexes and do not skimp on instruction and training
    6. Oprichnik
      Oprichnik 21 October 2020 22: 50
      -2
      Dmitry - your position is reminiscent of the position of liberals and so-called intellectuals who are trying to talk about politics and state building from the perspective of housewives and Leopold the cat, without having the necessary knowledge, or the ability to logical and, most importantly, to SYSTEM thinking
  10. svoit
    svoit 20 October 2020 11: 30
    +4
    Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich

    Arm Baku with T-90 tanks and then call for peace

    Russia tried to maintain a balance, but at the same time took into account only its own supplies, and it was necessary as a whole. Due to supplies from Turkey, Israel ... the balance was violated
    1. Cottager452
      Cottager452 20 October 2020 12: 39
      -1
      The tanks will burn like at Prokhorovka.
  11. iouris
    iouris 20 October 2020 12: 18
    0
    In the near future, Pashinyan's surrender can be expected. He's already hysterical. Without Russian military bases in Georgia and Azerbaijan, Armenia is cut off. What do they think?
    1. Sancho_SP
      Sancho_SP 20 October 2020 13: 29
      +6
      And what does Pashinyan's capitulation have to do with it? Your Nikolai Vladimirovich rules Armenia, and Azerbaijan is at war with some separatists and has not declared war on Armenia.
      1. iouris
        iouris 21 October 2020 22: 00
        0
        Quote: Sancho_SP
        Azerbaijan is at war with some separatists and has not declared war on Armenia

        It is not Azerbaijan that is fighting, but Aliyev and Pashinyan. Pashinyan has already declared "total war." This is the eve of his surrender.
    2. MKPU-115
      MKPU-115 20 October 2020 17: 12
      0
      Quote: iouris
      What do they think?

      US State Department thinks right good
    3. Grits
      Grits 21 October 2020 14: 22
      0
      Quote: iouris
      What do they think?

      What they ordered, so they think
  12. Cottager452
    Cottager452 20 October 2020 12: 35
    -6
    In this situation, when everyone is against one thing, it is not clear why the Turkish tanks are not in Yerevan yet?
    1. Sancho_SP
      Sancho_SP 20 October 2020 13: 30
      +3
      But because the rules of the game. "They are not there" (c) - this also works here. No one has declared war on Armenia, nor will it.
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  14. Cottager452
    Cottager452 20 October 2020 12: 55
    -1
    The war is practically lost by the Armenians: the loss of people is pointless. It's time to think about the withdrawal of the base, since it is clear who will be blamed for the defeat.
  15. Homeland
    Homeland 20 October 2020 13: 39
    +1
    If you look at the footage of the Azerbaijani Ministry of Defense in recent days, it is clearly seen that supply trucks are being destroyed by drones. Tanks, MLRS and other equipment are not visible - either they have hidden well, or there are no equipment left, or Azerbaijan wants to seize everything as a trophy.
  16. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 20 October 2020 13: 44
    +4
    Quote: Summer Resident452
    The war is practically lost by the Armenians: the loss of people is pointless. It's time to think about the withdrawal of the base, since it is clear who will be blamed for the defeat.

    At the moment, this is far from the case. Until now, the Azeris have been advancing only along the Iranian border without fear of strikes from the Iranian side. However, their advance is very slow. After that (if everything goes well and they seize the border with Iran), they will continue their offensive by an order of magnitude more difficult. They must either march along the Armenian border or advance frontally on a wide front at the Armenian positions in the mountains.
    Suppose they manage to clear / capture all of Karabakh in a few months or a year, then the conflict will remain and in 5 or 10 years there will be a new war.
  17. Old26
    Old26 20 October 2020 15: 14
    +6
    Quote: Kostadinov
    Suppose they manage to clear / capture all of Karabakh in a few months or a year, then the conflict will remain and in 5 or 10 years there will be a new war.

    How is it that in 5-10 years there will be a new war. Having lost Karabakh as a screen for the conduct of hostilities, Armenia will have no reasons for war. of course, if the next crazy prime minister or president does not come. If it starts, it will be an act of aggression. In addition, by defeating Armenia, Aliyev will receive tremendous support from the people. Having oil and gas, he will quickly recover the losses of his army. But Armenia's problems will be much more serious. First of all, having lost Karabakh and the war with Azerbaijan, Pashenyan is unlikely to remain prime minister. a new round of struggle for the chair will begin. And not on the sidelines, but in the squares. What kind of rallies they will be in relation to Russia - I think it's not worth talking about. We will be accused of all mortal sins (unless, except for the crucifixion of the cross, it is known there who crucified him, of course the Jews laughing). from six months to a year, this burden will last. So? It will not be possible to quickly restore military potential by compensating for the loss of equipment. Armenia has quarreled with us, and who else will sell arms to it? Iran? Georgia? So, if this war ends the way Azerbaijan plans it, it is unlikely that there will be more wars in the next 10 years. In addition, Azerbaijan can take a completely predictable course. Take and liquidate the region as an autonomy. Just make the districts included in the NKAO regions of Azerbaijan ...
    1. Pavlos Melas
      Pavlos Melas 20 October 2020 16: 05
      +1
      Quote: Old26
      Quote: Kostadinov
      Suppose they manage to clear / capture all of Karabakh in a few months or a year, then the conflict will remain and in 5 or 10 years there will be a new war.

      How is it that in 5-10 years there will be a new war. Having lost Karabakh as a screen for the conduct of hostilities, Armenia will have no reasons for war. of course, if the next crazy prime minister or president does not come. If it starts, it will be an act of aggression. In addition, by defeating Armenia, Aliyev will receive tremendous support from the people. Having oil and gas, he will quickly recover the losses of his army. But Armenia's problems will be much more serious. First of all, having lost Karabakh and the war with Azerbaijan, Pashenyan is unlikely to remain prime minister. a new round of struggle for the chair will begin. And not on the sidelines, but in the squares. What kind of rallies they will be in relation to Russia - I think it's not worth talking about. We will be accused of all mortal sins (unless, except for the crucifixion of the cross, it is known there who crucified him, of course the Jews laughing). from six months to a year, this burden will last. So? It will not be possible to quickly restore military potential by compensating for the loss of equipment. Armenia has quarreled with us, and who else will sell arms to it? Iran? Georgia? So, if this war ends the way Azerbaijan plans it, it is unlikely that there will be more wars in the next 10 years. In addition, Azerbaijan can take a completely predictable course. Take and liquidate the region as an autonomy. Just make the districts included in the NKAO regions of Azerbaijan ...

      You have not yet written that all the Armenians of Karabakh will become refugees in case of complete defeat. Armenia will have not only a change of power but also problems with the economy. Emigration from Armenia will also increase.
      Naturally, Armenia will not disappear from the world map, but it will be very difficult to mobilize for a new offensive war. Yet Armenia is far from being Germany of the 30s and Turkey is far from being Czechoslovakia.
    2. Grits
      Grits 21 October 2020 14: 26
      0
      But I am interested in two questions
      1. Will our base remain in Armenia?
      2. Will a Turkish base appear in Azrebayjan?
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 21 October 2020 14: 32
        0
        Quote: Gritsa
        But I am interested in two questions
        1. Will our base remain in Armenia?
        2. Will a Turkish base appear in Azrebayjan?


        1. Will stay. In a truncated version.
        2. Already there. Unofficially. With barracks for the fighters of the "invisible front" from Idlib.
      2. Kyrgyz
        Kyrgyz 21 October 2020 14: 57
        0
        Would our base have been for a long time under Pashinyan's policy? Should we make relations with Turkey and Azerbaijan hostage to such a multi-vector ally? Armenia has made a number of political mistakes, and how an independent state will pay for them, but as time will show, we pay for our mistakes somewhere we correct somewhere we continue to make looking for the right approach and no one will do this for us and will not cover the costs for us. Why didn't Armenia agree to divide the NKR? After all, some of the territories there are not Armenian at all, of course, if you need to, let them take everything together with Baku, but then you need to rely on your strengths and capabilities and not rely on someone who will do everything for you.
        Azerbaijan is already all over and has long been a Turkish base, I'm more interested in how Azerbaijan can resist being absorbed by Turkey? and how soon will a conflict break out on this basis?
  18. Radikal
    Radikal 20 October 2020 15: 26
    13
    Quote: Stas157
    Despite the prophetic conclusions (many on the site), that the Azerbaijanis lost time (the blitzkrieg failed) and therefore, they say, their attack is doomed to failure, a completely different scenario is coming true.

    As well as I wrote. Having an overwhelming advantage in military terms, in technology and in human resources, Azerbaijan is not so important the factor of time and surprise.

    Azerbaijan may well lead the company slowly, rolling like a roller on a weaker enemy. What we in general observe. Russia has been fighting in Syria for the fifth year. And this does not prevent her from winning.

    The current success of Azerbaijan is quite natural and we expect, and our urya patriots again hit the sky with their fingers.

    In addition to superiority in resources, the Azerbaijanis also have a competent, sane VGK, in contrast to Armenia, which chose a mindless, vengeful talker, a nestling Soros who wants to organize a victory with someone else's hands. sad hi
    1. Flavius
      Flavius 20 October 2020 16: 37
      -6
      which chose for itself a mindless, vengeful talker, a nestling Soros, who wants to organize a victory with someone else's hands.
      In fact, Aliyev is also Sorosovsky, otherwise how can one explain his stay in power for 17 years without pretensions? And as you understand, the Soros people are not elected; they are brought to power by skillfully using the people's dissatisfaction with their position? Sargsyan is to blame no less than Pashinyan for bringing him to power.
  19. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 20 October 2020 15: 46
    +2
    How is it that in 5-10 years there will be a new war. Having lost Karabakh as a screen for the conduct of hostilities, Armenia will have no reasons for war. of course, if the next crazy prime minister or president does not come. If it starts, it will be an act of aggression.

    But now, too, Armenia has formally occupied foreign territory. There will be refugees from Karabakh and propaganda about the new Armenian genocide.
    But Armenia's problems will be much more serious. First of all, having lost Karabakh and the war with Azerbaijan, Pashenyan is unlikely to remain prime minister. a new round of struggle for the chair will begin.

    I don't think that the loss of Pashinyan will be a loss for Armenia, rather the opposite.
    What kind of rallies they will be in relation to Russia - I think it's not worth talking about.

    And can beat defeat them sober up about Russia? Or "liberators" from overseas and the EU will find a novelty.
    So? It will not be possible to quickly restore military potential by compensating for the loss of equipment. Armenia has quarreled with us, and who else will sell arms to it? Iran? Georgia?

    If the West (the US and the EU) wants to teach a lesson to Erdogan and Russia does not interfere with this, then the Armenian army in a few years will be armed to the teeth with modern weapons and ready for revenge. At this time, propaganda about the new Armenian genocide will be unrolled in the western media.
    Let me remind you that all this will be only after the complete victory of Azerbaijan and the cleaning of its entire territory, but now it looks quite far away and is unlikely.
    1. Gofman
      Gofman 20 October 2020 16: 17
      +2
      Quote: Kostadinov
      In a few years the Armenian army will be armed to the teeth with modern weapons and ready for revenge.
      This is unlikely - everything is strictly for money, only any moral support, all kinds of advice and noise support are free. I think the Armenians will soon feel it - you won't be full of it. To what extent has Georgia restored its military potential after the Crimean, Syrian and other events of the last decade?
  20. svoit
    svoit 20 October 2020 15: 47
    +1
    Quote: Old26
    Just make the districts included in the NKAO regions of Azerbaijan ...

    It is quite a logical step, especially if the Armenians there on an almost voluntary basis leave this territory, who is already known to populate it.
    1. MKPU-115
      MKPU-115 20 October 2020 18: 04
      0
      Quote: svoit
      if there the Armenians almost voluntarily leave this territory,

      And if they flatly refuse to leave?
  21. Yaik Cossack
    Yaik Cossack 20 October 2020 16: 51
    +1
    Mdaa, in the south the Armenians have no rear line of defense, no well-thought-out plans of action. And against such a sad background - the distribution of new ranks to generals. This is some kind of completely alternative PR. Joseph Vissarionovich is treated differently, but in 1941 he did not give out the ranks of the marshal. And deservedly so. There is no reward for defeat.
    Or is Pashinyan so weak that with such steps he is trying to appease the army elite?
  22. Victor Tsenin
    Victor Tsenin 20 October 2020 17: 11
    +1
    You know, it is clear that Armenians have problems, but so far this does not look like an unsolvable dilemma.
    Fresh from Kitten, for example.
    Boiler in Zangilan
    Karabakh residents used Donbass tactics

    The desire of the Azerbaijani troops, pushed by Turkish advisers, to report to Ankara and Baku about the capture of cities and villages as much as possible during the hostilities in Nagorno-Karabakh turned into a collapse for the advancing side in the direction of Zangilan, where, as Aliyev announced earlier, the Azerbaijani flag was solemnly raised. The result is a cauldron for several units of the Azerbaijani Armed Forces, the destructive fire of the Karabakh art, killed and wounded Azerbaijani soldiers, abandoned bodies of soldiers and weapons, burnt skeletons of equipment. The enemy rolled back in the area of ​​the Khudaferin reservoir. A typical boiler according to the Donbass scenario and the failure of the Baku blitzkrieg No. 2.
    ---
    I think that the territorial losses of Artsakh are inevitable, but the defeat seems extremely unlikely.
    1. Yaik Cossack
      Yaik Cossack 20 October 2020 17: 23
      +1
      We will see. It would be nice (at least on a confessional basis for Christians, although our Russian guys should not die for Karabakh, while 3 million Russian Armenians are doing their best on the priest), but if this is not PR.
      To advance under conditions of enemy air superiority is very difficult and leads to large losses. Shooters are right - the Armenians were not ready for an obvious offensive here either.
      The second question is whether the Armenians have found at least some relatively effective means of dealing with drones. MANPADS - not really. And if they find it, will Iran give them to get it. Iran appears to be leaning towards Erdogan.
      1. Victor Tsenin
        Victor Tsenin 20 October 2020 17: 31
        0
        It is difficult to say here, on the other hand, the Republic of Ingushetia freely passes the sides with certain cargoes for Armenia, not forgetting to disperse the so-called. rallies of local Azerbaijanis in support of the operation against Artsakh.
  23. Cottager452
    Cottager452 20 October 2020 17: 50
    -2
    Armenia does not have air defense systems from unmanned aerial vehicles - this turned out to be a decisive factor.
  24. Old26
    Old26 20 October 2020 17: 52
    0
    Quote: Pavlos Melas
    You have not yet written that all the Armenians of Karabakh will become refugees in case of complete defeat

    He wrote, but apparently he himself, removing unnecessary mechanically erased

    Quote: Kostadinov
    But now, too, Armenia has formally occupied foreign territory. There will be refugees from Karabakh and propaganda about the new Armenian genocide.

    There will be propaganda for genocide. But there is no longer any reason to start a war. Now, in the presence of the NKR of Armenia, it is not necessary to start the database itself. It is enough that the NKR will start them.
    And there will be no NKR - there will be no reason
  25. tarakan
    tarakan 20 October 2020 18: 16
    -1
    Although civilian, I suppose that the "Wasps" were put to the slaughter (for opening the use of the UAV) further, according to the logic, the TOP and BUK under the cover of SHILKI should earn
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 20 October 2020 21: 15
      0
      One Thor at the Kamaz base has already been destroyed.
  26. svoit
    svoit 20 October 2020 18: 56
    +2
    Quote: Old26
    And there will be no NKR - there will be no reason

    The Japanese on the islands of the Kuril ridge have been gone for a long time, do you think they are stopped by "no reason"?
  27. Radikal
    Radikal 20 October 2020 21: 21
    0
    Quote: Flavius
    which chose for itself a mindless, vengeful talker, a nestling Soros, who wants to organize a victory with someone else's hands.
    In fact, Aliyev is also Sorosovsky, otherwise how can one explain his stay in power for 17 years without pretensions? And as you understand, the Soros people are not elected; they are brought to power by skillfully using the people's dissatisfaction with their position? Sargsyan is to blame no less than Pashinyan for bringing him to power.

    I agree with you. sad
  28. Old Bolshevik
    Old Bolshevik 20 October 2020 23: 48
    -3
    The result of this Azeri-Armenian war will be a complete fall of Russia's authority not only in the Caucasus. Everyone has already understood that the CSTO is just an operetta organization that will not protect anyone from anything. Armenia will leave the Russian Federation, because there was no defense, Azerbaijan will ignore the Russian Federation, because it will make sure that it is much more profitable to act together with Turkey in spite of the Russian Federation and the Russian Federation cannot stop the offensive.
    The Russian Federation will be afraid to openly speak out against Turkey because of the possible closure of the straits in this case.
    The Russian Federation can no longer play the role of a guarantor anywhere - the regional powers do what they want right on the borders of the Russian Federation.
    1. Cottager452
      Cottager452 21 October 2020 06: 19
      -1
      Russia does not plan to leave Armenia, on the contrary, the surrender of Karabakh should show that without complete subordination to Russia, one can quickly lose the Armenian statehood itself.
    2. Lyapis
      Lyapis 21 October 2020 08: 25
      0
      The Russian Federation within the framework of the CSTO will protect Armenians only if they are attacked by an external enemy. Now the mess goes, in fact, for no man's territory and does not threaten the Armenian statehood.
      Azerbaijan does not participate in any integration processes with the Russian Federation anyway, so it will not move further than it can, although it has good relations with us. Even before all this, the Armenians headed for Europe and the United States, so now all their adventures are their own problems.
      Rather, it will all look like an exemplary punishment for the too willful Armenians who have forgotten that their existence entirely depends on good relations with the Russian Federation.
    3. Kyrgyz
      Kyrgyz 21 October 2020 15: 07
      0
      Armenia has been on the way from the Russian Federation to the "progressive" states for 2 years already, Azerbaijan has been acting together with Turkey for 20 years, nothing happens on the border of the Russian Federation, this is an old civil strife that can only be resolved by war, why should we fight there? can you clearly show where Armenia at least rhetorically supported the Russian Federation in its conflicts since 2008? The CSTO is not Russia that will pay for everything, but you’ll help me, I don’t help you and I’ll think about it, by the way, like NATO and any other interstate agreement, and there is no reason for the CSTO, legally this is a civil war in Azerbaijan,
  29. Comrade Kim
    Comrade Kim 21 October 2020 01: 51
    0
    Quote: CSKA
    almost everyone does not accept either side.

    That's right!
    Both are amazingly disgusting.
    Not smart enough to solve the problem peacefully.

    Or masculine.
    Drive Aliyev and Pashinyan into the basement.
    Issue by luger.
    Lock the door, turn off the light.
    The one who will survive to send to Mongolia forever and ever, to graze camels.
    1. Oleg Bykov
      Oleg Bykov 21 October 2020 08: 56
      0
      Pashinyan apparently considered himself the smartest when he was striving for power. Little cleverness was enough ...
      1. Kyrgyz
        Kyrgyz 21 October 2020 15: 08
        -1
        Climb on a chair alone, but hold on
  30. yehat2
    yehat2 21 October 2020 10: 56
    +1
    Quote: Artavazdych
    Armenian GDP growth for 19-th year was 7,5% (wikipedia).

    it is virtual growth due to Reaganomics (credits)
    there was no real increase in product
    1. Artavazdych
      Artavazdych 21 October 2020 16: 49
      -2
      Can you justify?
      1. yehat2
        yehat2 21 October 2020 16: 50
        0
        yes, I can with numbers, but you just have to google - articles on this topic come out.
  31. yehat2
    yehat2 21 October 2020 11: 03
    +1
    Quote: Old Bolshevik
    Armenia will leave the Russian Federation because there was no protection

    if inadequate things are required, no one will defend.
    Armenia under attack? NO
    Was Armenia denied assistance with weapons, advisers, deliveries on credit, intelligence and other aspects? NO
    Did Armenia negotiate fairly with Azerbaijan? NO
    Armenia refrained from ethnic cleansing of Azerbaijanis, shelling of peaceful people in the squares? NO
    Is there a reason for the army to intervene legally? NO
    Even now, the Russian Federation is taking an active part in supporting and stopping the conflict.
    Can you find out where the Russian Federation deceived the expectations of the Armenians?
    Weapons don't work and don't do miracles? So maybe you should have thought about normal modernization, training of command personnel above the minimum? The Russian Federation could well have supplied such means when the UAVs would become ineffective.
    Now Azerbaijan is attacking in the south. The elementary availability of inexpensive mines in warehouses and the day they were laid could stop the breakthrough. Who is to blame that Armenia did not stockpile mines?
  32. Seal
    Seal 21 October 2020 11: 57
    0
    Quote: Deniska999
    So by the end of the month they will reach the borders with Armenia through Karabakh.
    Or they can try to break through the corridor to the Nakhichevan region.
  33. Seal
    Seal 21 October 2020 12: 05
    +1
    Quote: Old Bolshevik
    Armenia will leave the Russian Federation because there was no protection,
    Armenia is a sent Cossack from the United States. The Americans in Armenia have a bunch of bacteriological laboratories.
    https://eadaily.com/ru/news/2020/03/25/sistema-biologicheskoy-bezopasnosti-armenii-pod-upravleniem-ssha-intervyu
    For what did the Armenian authorities exchange sovereignty in the field of biological safety in 2008? Why do many international organizations know about the dubious activities of the US program to "reduce" biological threats, but prefer to remain silent about it? Why is the information about the registration of very suspicious sporadic outbreaks of infection, the causative agents of which are known as biological weapons agents, on the territory of Armenia, skillfully masked or hushed up? Grigor Grigoryan, an international expert on the control of zoonotic diseases and organization of veterinary health, the leader of the “One Health” coalition (Armenia), answered these and other questions of the EADaily correspondent.
    The beginning of the conversation was published the day before, March 24 - The Third World War has already begun, and its weapon is biological: an interview.


    More details: https://eadaily.com/ru/news/2020/03/25/sistema-biologicheskoy-bezopasnosti-armenii-pod-upravleniem-ssha-intervyu

    Does our base guard these laboratories?

    Quote: Old Bolshevik
    Azerbaijan will ignore the Russian Federation, because it will make sure that it is much more profitable to act together with Turkey in spite of the Russian Federation

    To prevent this from happening, we need to more actively fit in and move Turkey in Azerbaijan and really help Azerbaijan with something. To begin with, it is necessary at least to raise the issue of freezing Armenia's membership in the CSTO. Let Azerbaijan see that without Russia it would not have succeeded hi
  34. Butchcassidy
    Butchcassidy 21 October 2020 13: 31
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    Evgeny Damantsev, that's another story! You can already read the article, there is no senseless overload of terms
  35. Seal
    Seal 21 October 2020 13: 44
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    Quote: Flavius
    Sargsyan is to blame no less than Pashinyan for bringing him to power.
    Is Sargsyan not pro-American?
    With whom did American bacteriological laboratories appear in Armenia?
    https://eadaily.com/ru/news/2020/03/25/sistema-biologicheskoy-bezopasnosti-armenii-pod-upravleniem-ssha-intervyu
    In 1999, the "Agrogitaspur" department began functioning at the Armenian Agricultural Academy, which was funded by the US Department of Agriculture and provided technical assistance to farmers, agronomists and veterinarians in solving various problems, including in the fight against diseases and pests. In 2005, the department " Agrogitaspur was transformed into the Center for Agribusiness and Rural Development (CARD), funded by the US Department of Agriculture and the United States Agency for International Development (USAID).
    When did Armenia lose its sovereignty in the field of biological safety?
    - I cannot say exactly when, but I can say for sure that the situation with the sovereignty of the national biological security system in Armenia began to change after Serzh Sargsyan came to power in 2008. I also believe that the sovereignty of Armenia's national biological security system was, if not the main one, then one of the main demands of the United States in exchange for a restrained position regarding the events that followed his election as President of Armenia (Serzh Sargsyan - Ed.) And ended with the tragic events of March 1 2008 year.
    I am not familiar with the details of this bargaining, but I know that immediately after the inauguration of Serzh Sargsyan, substantial negotiations began between the United States and Armenia on joining the program to reduce biological threats.
    Already at the beginning of 2008, the Ministry of Emergency Situations (MES) was created in Armenia, which was supposed to be responsible for the implementation of the program in Armenia, and if I am not mistaken, at the beginning of 2009, the MES of Armenia and the Pentagon have already concluded an agreement on cooperation in the prevention of proliferation of production technologies, pathogens and biological weapons testing ”.
    Apparently this is precisely why Sargsyan became the first foreign president to be awarded the Ellis Island Medal of Honor in the United States.
    https://newsarmenia.am
    Armenian President Serzh Sargsyan was awarded the Ellis Island Medal of Honor for his contribution to the development of relations between the United States and Armenia. Sargsyan became the first foreign head of state to be awarded this medal in its 25-year history.
  36. Oprichnik
    Oprichnik 21 October 2020 22: 36
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    Without a map, the article loses much information and clarity. This also applies to many other articles by other authors, which are difficult to understand and assimilate without maps.
  37. Angivin
    Angivin 22 October 2020 18: 56
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    Quote: Gritsa
    Quote: TermNachTER
    Azerbaijan is advancing in the wrong place, but where it is easier.

    What else can they do? It's dumb to climb the mountains - it's hard, cold, and they can shoot from behind the bushes. And it is easier along the river valley, practically on the plain. Moreover, from above, everything that is in sight has already been cleaned out by drones - put yourself flags and spank stickers.

    I totally agree.
    I am sure that for more than two decades, the Azerbaijani military has considered many different scenarios of an offensive. In addition, many forget that Azerbaijan has not only drones, but its own satellites, and Turkey, most likely, provides intelligence information. I can assume that the main forces of the Armenians are visible at a glance.
  38. Angivin
    Angivin 22 October 2020 21: 08
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    Quote: Lyapis
    Azerbaijan does not participate in any integration processes with the Russian Federation anyway, so it will not move further than it can, although it has good relations with us.

    Azerbaijan, although not yet a member of the CSTO and the Customs Union, nevertheless exists in the CIS.

    And also: "Moscow supports raising the status of Azerbaijan in the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) to an observer," said Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov (26/08/2020).

    In addition, there is also a strategic North-South transport project from India, Australia and Oceania to the Scandinavian countries and where the key countries of the region - Russia and Iran - interact by rail through the territory of Azerbaijan (Yalama-Astara). And Russia, by the way, has repeatedly reported that this project has a branch to Turkey, again through Azerbaijan, since the latter is also in the center of the Silk Road from China to Europe, directly connecting Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan via the Caspian Sea with Turkey and Georgia).
  39. sleeve
    sleeve 25 October 2020 04: 28
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    Pashinyan seems to be a product of a general simplification of thinking. It is not smart to believe that Russia will stretch out to the Karabakh mix immediately and completely. To believe that the task is still doable now is already nonsense. Aliyev will not cross the border of Armenia. Is that themselves, But then the same no support. And why did someone decide that the storming of Stepanakert would prompt Russia to get involved in this private mess? Armenian genocide in case of fall of Artsakh? It is excluded while Russia is "in shape". Note that there is no talk at all about the expulsion of Azerbaijanis from Artsakh in the 90s.
    Oh yes. Probably now, after all, rallies and petings about the betrayal of Russia will begin. And then some people will leave the CSTO "because of low efficiency." The main thing here is not to start "fighting" for an ally. Otherwise we'll lose. We have two ally (now four Aerospace Forces, Strategic Missile Forces). The rest are not even fellow travelers.