Armenian Defense Ministry announced a repulsed Azerbaijani attack using T-90 tanks and showed the destruction of equipment

A spokesman for the Armenian Ministry of Defense publishes on his Facebook account statements that Azerbaijan is using "mercenary militants in the form of Azerbaijani border troops."

This is another statement by the Armenian side that foreign fighters are acting on the side of the Azerbaijani troops.

Earlier, the head of the Russian Foreign Intelligence Service Sergei Naryshkin also said that there are foreign mercenaries in the region of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict, including those transferred from Syria.

Video about the Ministry of Defense of Armenia:

Also, the Armenian military department demonstrates strikes against the military equipment and manpower of the enemy. The footage shows how anti-tank guided missiles are used. The detonation of the ammunition of the armored vehicles, a direct hit into the army vehicle of the Azerbaijani army is visible.

The press secretary of the Armenian Defense Ministry Shushan Stepanyan writes that on the eve of the Azerbaijani forces attempted an offensive in the southern direction. The attack involved seven main combat tanks, including T-90, 5 armored personnel carriers. The attack was allegedly stopped using anti-tank weapons.

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[Livonetc]

For a long time, Azerbaijanis have not been spreading massive strikes by drones and loitering ammunition.
Are they running out or have Armenians learned to resist?
Or the first consequence of the second.

[Pavlos Melas]

Quote: Livonetc

For a long time, Azerbaijanis have not been spreading massive strikes by drones and loitering ammunition.
Are they running out or have Armenians learned to resist?
Or the first consequence of the second.

Drones are still a consumable. Now the Azeri will bring the drones and start crushing with renewed vigor. I think that only the "north wind" can save the Armenian side. Not just a stream, but a whole squall.

[Livonetc]

One Russian base is enough to save Armenia.
Let them defend Karabakh themselves.
And Azerbaijan's resources are not endless.
Further, it is possible that the Americans will intervene through Georgia.
This conflict is very good for them.

[Pavlos Melas]

Quote: Livonetc

One Russian base is enough to save Armenia.
Let them defend Karabakh themselves.
And Azerbaijan's resources are not endless.
Further, it is possible that the Americans will intervene through Georgia.
This conflict is very good for them.

I do not call for interfering in the conflict, Azeris will not attack Armenia. They will attack only if they urgently want to go to the houris. Yes, the Americans can only benefit from this, but now they have a pre-election race.

[sailor roman]

The United States is interested in the continuation of this carnage and today, through Georgia, fuel both sides of the conflict. The goal is to weaken the countries of the Caucasus as much as possible, reduce the population of these countries to a minimum, bring down arrogance from the Turks and ultimately create bases for a threat to Iran and Russia. And the current leaders of the Transcaucasian countries are just chess pieces in the hands of the main world players.

[Pavlos Melas]

Quote: sailor Roman

The United States is interested in the continuation of this carnage and today, through Georgia, fuel both sides of the conflict. The goal is to weaken the countries of the Caucasus as much as possible, reduce the population of these countries to a minimum, bring down arrogance from the Turks and ultimately create bases for a threat to Iran and Russia. And the current leaders of the Transcaucasian countries are just chess pieces in the hands of the main world players.

As for the Transcaucasian countries, I agree, although Georgia and Armenia, as far as I know, are not at their demographic peak. As for Turkey, in my opinion, in this conflict, it can be knocked off arrogance only if Azerbaijan is the losing side.

[Vadim237]

"The United States is interested in continuing this massacre and today, through Georgia, I feed both sides of the conflict." In fact, the US wanted to put this war on.

[Oleg123219307]

Quote: Pavlos Melas

I think that only the "north wind" can save the Armenian side. Not just a stream, but a whole squall.

And it is necessary? There seems to be an internal showdown that concerns us insofar as, and both sides cannot be said to be imbued with love and respect for us ...

[Pavlos Melas]

Quote: oleg123219307

Quote: Pavlos Melas

I think that only the "north wind" can save the Armenian side. Not just a stream, but a whole squall.

And it is necessary? There seems to be an internal showdown that concerns us insofar as, and both sides cannot be said to be imbued with love and respect for us ...

I do not call for intervention, but whether it is necessary or not, it is those who sit in the General Staff who will decide they will have information on more of ours.

[the Saint]

A very beneficial war for Russia.
"The contracts implemented between Russia and Azerbaijan, or rather, the military products purchased by Azerbaijan from Russia, exceed $ 5 billion," Aliyev said 2 years ago.
At the same time, he noted that there is a tendency for the purchase of military products from Russia to grow, as Azerbaijan is modernizing its armed forces in connection with the Karabakh problem.

At the same time, Armenia also purchases weapons in connection with the same conflict, and Russia remains the main exporter for it. For example, Yerevan bought on credit from Russia Iskander-M missile systems and S-300 air defense systems, which Azerbaijan has already destroyed and which will have to be bought again.

[Pavlos Melas]

Quote: el Santo

A very beneficial war for Russia.
"The contracts implemented between Russia and Azerbaijan, or rather, the military products purchased by Azerbaijan from Russia, exceed $ 5 billion," Aliyev said 2 years ago.
At the same time, he noted that there is a tendency for the purchase of military products from Russia to grow, as Azerbaijan is modernizing its armed forces in connection with the Karabakh problem.

At the same time, Armenia also purchases weapons in connection with the same conflict, and Russia remains the main exporter for it. For example, Yerevan bought on credit from Russia Iskander-M missile systems and S-300 air defense systems, which Azerbaijan has already destroyed and which will have to be bought again.

Everything from the point of view of arms sales is true only one amendment The Karabakh conflict is beneficial, and the war is not a fact that it is beneficial. Because, after the war, someone won and someone lost, and the balance that allowed selling weapons to two sides is violated.

[the Saint]

There is a fake quote attributed to Truman about maintaining a similar balance.
"If we see that Germany is winning, then we should help Russia, and if Russia is winning, then we should help Germany, and thus let them kill as much as possible!"

[Pavlos Melas]

Quote: el Santo

There is a fake quote attributed to Truman about maintaining a similar balance.
"If we see that Germany is winning, then we should help Russia, and if Russia is winning, then we should help Germany, and thus let them kill as much as possible!"

A cynical quote, of course, but in my opinion this is the case. Alas, money is made on conflicts, but someone pays in blood. Just take into account after the Second World War the United States had a Cold War.

[the Saint]

Yes. And not only got fucked, but also won it, which must also be taken into account.

[Pavlos Melas]

Quote: el Santo

Yes. And not only got fucked, but also won it, which must also be taken into account.

Yes, I agree that I won, but the gain in that war from the United States was many times more. Moreover, they waged a cold war with a country that had a hot war directly on its territory. Also, the fire of war did not burn directly on the borders of the United States.

[the Saint]

The big question is - would the USSR have won that hot war without the help of the United States?

[Machnamh]

Quote: el Santo

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The big question is - would the USSR have won that hot war without the help of the United States?

And without the help of the USA, the USSR did not succeed in the blitzkrieg of Nemecia. But without the 1939 pact and the shift of the border by 400 km to the west, Berlin would probably not have been taken before 1955. Russians-Soviet. And the people would have lost twice as much. This is so offhand.

[the Saint]

At the height of the Cold War, Comrade Stalin voluntarily ordered to estimate the Allied assistance to Academician Voznesensky at 4%. But he could have ordered to assign a figure of 0.4% or 44%, depending on his mood and the international situation.

Tired of listing all the necessary nishtyaks from the allies and quotes from Stalin, which testify to the likely loss of the Soviet-German war without the help of the US-Britain. I will only remind you that there were periods when almost all the gunpowder of the Red Army was only allied, and bayonet attacks could no longer win the war in the 20th century.

[basmach]

Internal disassembly is secondary. And Ankara's desire to have access to the Caspian Sea comes to the fore. How? Having provided substantial assistance in the "sacred" war for the "primordial" territory, in the event of its successful completion, Erdogan may demand his profit. Thoughts "two peoples - one army" or "two peoples - one country" have been circulating for a long time. Back in 2015, a delegation of parliamentarians discussed. The dream of "Great Turan" has not gone anywhere. Adolf also began with the Sudetes and the Anschluss of Austria. The Sultan may well start with the Anschluss of Azerbaijan. And get access to Central Asia and the Iranian border. And in these border areas, the majority are Azerbaijanis. And the Anschluss, coupled with a successful war, will show the strength of the Sultan and will have a strong psychological impact on Muslims. And for a couple of Turkish bases in the Caspian Sea, the United States will forgive Erdogan for all his sins.

[Oleg123219307]

Quote: basmach

Internal disassembly is secondary. And Ankara's desire to have access to the Caspian Sea comes to the fore. How? Having provided substantial assistance in the "sacred" war for the "primordial" territory, in the event of its successful completion, Erdogan may demand his profit. Thoughts "two peoples - one army" or "two peoples - one country" have been circulating for a long time. Back in 2015, a delegation of parliamentarians discussed. The dream of "Great Turan" has not gone anywhere. Adolf also began with the Sudetes and the Anschluss of Austria. The Sultan may well start with the Anschluss of Azerbaijan. And get access to Central Asia and the Iranian border. And in these border areas, the majority are Azerbaijanis. And the Anschluss, coupled with a successful war, will show the strength of the Sultan and will have a strong psychological impact on Muslims. And for a couple of Turkish bases in the Caspian Sea, the United States will forgive Erdogan for all his sins.

And what about the Caspian for the United States? Are there any strategic forces there? Direct road to Moscow without defense? The secret bunker of the king of peas? Our grouping is not bad there, these lines have always been considered dangerous, while strategic targets are far away. Certainly not very much closer than from the same Turkey. For American weapons, + -300 km does not matter. And all this is in the depths of our access denial zone, in which the above-mentioned bases risk being caught on the nuclear Iskander during the first 3 minutes of the conflict. Is it worth it? I doubt it. I think the games are purely Turkish, and I think that Turkey is digging a hole for itself with these games. For the moment will come when our interests will collide again, but no one else wants to fit in for them. And then they have a skiff.

[Kapral Alphych]

And what about the Caspian for the USA? Are there any strategic forces there? Direct road to Moscow without defense? The secret bunker of the king of peas? Our group is not bad there, these lines have always been considered dangerous,

For this, the United States climbs there so that this "good grouping" does not move from there, and remains there in the event of a conflict in other directions. Take a broader view of the situation.

[Oleg123219307]

Quote: Kapral Alphitch

And what about the Caspian for the USA? Are there any strategic forces there? Direct road to Moscow without defense? The secret bunker of the king of peas? Our group is not bad there, these lines have always been considered dangerous,

For this, the United States climbs there so that this "good grouping" does not move from there, and remains there in the event of a conflict in other directions. Take a broader view of the situation.

And she would sit there anyway. For any serious conflict, fraught with significant losses and a weakening of defense capability, is an invitation to Turkey and Iran to fight for the Caucasus, including ours. So there are states there, no, it does not cancel the need to keep the grouping there.

[Kapral Alphych]

This means that the Turks and other rabble do not scatter after the first shots in a possible future conflict, behind them will be the "drivers" or the clearing team - overseas commandos)) In any case, this is a beneficial party for the Americans. Not themselves, others are doing the work for them to create a zone of instability in the south of our Motherland.

[basmach]

How do you love everyone and everything at once to throw vigorous loaves. You haven't outplayed the fallout, by chance? In WWII there were huge reserves of chemical. and bioweapons. But even in the most critical situations, someone took the risk of using them? You will come to the Tula region, where the "Chernobyl contamination zone" is still after Chernobyl
As for the bases. Imagine a fight - your opponent's forces are approximately equal, there are two hands. Here is fifty-fifty. And if there is a third hand. That beats from below, no longer a fountain. And also the fourth - "strokes" on the back of the head (yapi). How is it? Or the Americans are fools who climb with their bases in Central Asia. In the same Kyrgyzstan. And having received bases in Azerbaijan, they open up the entire Caucasus. We'll have to strengthen the sea, air groupings, air defense. With our rather scarce resources.
And Iran, in the event of a fight, has no reason to snatch something. For if Russia does not become, he is next. The Persians there are not fools.

[Oleg123219307]

Quote: basmach

How do you love everyone and everything at once to throw vigorous loaves. You haven't outplayed the fallout, by chance? In WWII there were huge reserves of chemical. and bioweapons. But even in the most critical situations, someone took the risk of using them? You will come to the Tula region, where the "Chernobyl contamination zone" is still after Chernobyl
As for the bases. Imagine a fight - your opponent's forces are approximately equal, there are two hands. Here is fifty-fifty. And if there is a third hand. That beats from below, no longer a fountain. And also the fourth - "strokes" on the back of the head (yapi). How is it? Or the Americans are fools who climb with their bases in Central Asia. In the same Kyrgyzstan. And having received bases in Azerbaijan, they open up the entire Caucasus. We'll have to strengthen the sea, air groupings, air defense. With our rather scarce resources.
And Iran, in the event of a fight, has no reason to snatch something. For if Russia does not become, he is next. The Persians there are not fools.

I love and respect the nuclear club for one simple reason. There are 144 million of us. And the military budget is $ 50-70 billion. And our opponents together have a billion of the population and a couple of trillions of dollars invested in the defense industry. What can we talk about in the event of a conventional war? A tenfold numerical superiority in aviation? About the same in the Navy? I do not know how many times they have more axes than we have Caliber, but many times. I'm not even talking about our industry, which is unable to pull off a protracted war, with a production rate of 15 fighters per year and in fact without its own microelectronic base. No, in a conventional war, a skiff will come to us, and a quick one. They have only 2 weaknesses - missile defense, against our missiles it can be said that it is not, and a huge inertia of control. For now, they will deploy troops, while they withdraw the fleet from the bases, while they agree among themselves. They set aside at least 72 hours for this. Our Strategic Missile Forces need exactly 144 times less time to seriously offend them all. And then the whole question will lie in the plane of whether my assumptions are true that a huge number of the latest C300 / 400 modifications deployed in our country has in fact very little to do with air defense and a lot with missile defense or not. That is why I am for the club. There are at least some chances.

[Sergey_K]

And then, boy, you and your children will die. If you're lucky, quickly.

[Oleg123219307]

Quote: Sergey_K

And then, boy, you and your children will die. If you're lucky, quickly.

Everyone will most likely die. This is the price of human progress in armaments. But still, this is not a reason to raise your paws and give up. Taking into account who exactly and with what tasks will be given in this scenario "putting things in order" in what will remain of our country, it is better to go quickly and together with the enemies ...

[Machnamh]

Quote: oleg123219307

Everyone will most likely die. This is the price of human progress in armaments. But still, this is not a reason to raise your paws and give up. Taking into account who exactly and with what tasks will be given in this scenario "putting things in order" in what will remain of our country, it is better to go quickly and together with the enemies ...

Why all? All this is likely if, along the way, Russia-NATO will not only shoot at each other with vigorous warheads, but also across India, China, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Japan, Indonesia, the Middle East, Africa .... There the lion's mass of earthly people lives. In the third world. Well, at least a hundred will be thrown into the Southern Hemisphere, so that they do not remain that wise monkey that looks like two lions fight, and then heal in a mustache without blowing ... But even in this case, half a billion will remain homosapiens. In 500 --- 600 years the population will multiply, the pre-war level will be restored

[Oleg123219307]

Quote: Machnamh

Why all? All this is likely if, along the way, Russia-NATO will not only shoot at each other with vigorous warheads, but also across India, China, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Japan, Indonesia, the Middle East, Africa .... There the lion's mass of earthly people lives. In the third world. Well, at least a hundred will be thrown into the Southern Hemisphere, so that they do not remain that wise monkey that looks like two lions fight, and then heal in a mustache without blowing ... But even in this case, half a billion will remain homosapiens. In 500 --- 600 years the population will multiply, the pre-war level will be restored

If the missile defense system does not intercept most of the strikes, then the scenario will be sad. Synergy of 10-15 thousand strategic explosions, plus about 50 thousand tactical explosions, but also not less than 50 kilotons, destruction of all nuclear power plants, spent nuclear fuel storage facilities, nuclear submarines, factories producing chemical and radioactive products, burnt forests and cities on half of the planet, heat shock, billions tons of dust and ash, very fine and radioactive ... All this into the atmosphere. The result is a nuclear winter in one form or another, and certainly contamination with radionuclides, including long-lived ones from nuclear power plants all over the earth. In parallel, the entire industrial base of the developed part of humanity is being destroyed. The main mass will be mowed down by hunger and diseases from radiation, which there is no one and nothing to treat. So I don't know about optimism ...

[Garris199]

Why? Because in the West all of a sudden everyone wants to die in return?
We have a wide range of tactical nuclear weapons, its use at military facilities and places of concentration of troops will be enough to sober everyone up. Do you think after that they will risk at least thinking about bombing our cities? No f ..... way, as they say.

[Oleg123219307]

Quote: Garris199

Why? Because in the West all of a sudden everyone wants to die in return?
We have a wide range of tactical nuclear weapons, its use at military facilities and places of concentration of troops will be enough to sober everyone up. Do you think after that they will risk at least thinking about bombing our cities? No f ..... way, as they say.

It's sad, but even here I disagree with you. They will take risks, they will take risks. Bo the goal of this war will be to destroy the population and industrial base of the enemy to the maximum. Because the losses of the parties will be such that leave the enemy at least something, there is always a risk that in a year his army will come to clean you out, and then there is nothing to answer. So they will beat everywhere. And we and they. Therefore, I write that the only hope is for our air defense / missile defense systems, which we have many times more. Well, and the fact that we have an advantage in geography. The territory is larger, the population is smaller, the reclamation is natural, there are many mountains, decentralized heat supply and much less fastidious people. But all this gives only chances no more. For all my views on nuclear weapons, I do not argue with the obvious - a nuclear war is most likely a universal fur animal. The synergy of such a number of strikes, in which, moreover, all or most of the nuclear power plants and factories producing nuclear materials and other poison will almost certainly burn out, this is an ecological catastrophe of unimaginable proportions, even if we suddenly win and prevent ALL explosions on our territory.

[Garris199]

This will not happen, even if a part of what we respond with arrives, then everyone will have no time for us. Here COVID has already made a lot of "noise". The explosion in Beirut, in fact, led to chaos in the country. Just imagine the scale of the problems with multiple counter megaton strikes. And from whether they come to finish off or not come, it will not become easier for them. They are building missile defense just to protect against retaliation. And if there are no guarantees, there are no blows. Apply TNW in response - that's them please. This is where the "quality" of our air defense / missile defense forces and the suppression of similar enemy weapons play. But given the effectiveness of different types of drones, our military air defense / missile defense needs to be adapted urgently, otherwise we will have a hard time in the theater of operations.

[Oleg123219307]

Quote: Garris199

This will not happen, even if a part of what we respond with arrives, then everyone will have no time for us.

Logically, you are right. In fact, we will expect that their general staff think the same. Bo their actions speak of something else.

Quote: Garris199

Just imagine the scale of the problems with multiple counter megaton strikes.

There will be no more problems. Nobody.

Quote: Garris199

They are building missile defense just to protect against retaliation.

Exactly. Which suggests their own tactics.

Quote: Garris199

And if there are no guarantees, there are no blows.

And they are not? From their point of view. The loot was spent, and so much - we could all be bought into slavery 3 times. Do you think gentlemen donate money will not report on an impenetrable heavenly shield?

Quote: Garris199

But given the effectiveness of different types of drones, our military air defense / missile defense needs to be adapted urgently, otherwise we will have a hard time in the theater of operations.

And what different types of drones can against our air defense? Judging by Khmeimim - Nothing. And the fact that a variety of "allies" will rot the reputation of our weapons, so remember how many such examples have already been.

[SSR]

Quote: basmach

And Iran, in the event of a fight, has no reason to snatch something. For if Russia does not become, he is next.

I think many are shocked by just such a possible alignment, such as the northern animal to China and then the Uyghurs and Tibet are fucked.)

[Pavlos Melas]

Quote: basmach

Internal disassembly is secondary. And Ankara's desire to have access to the Caspian Sea comes to the fore. How? Having provided substantial assistance in the "sacred" war for the "primordial" territory, in the event of its successful completion, Erdogan may demand his profit. Thoughts "two peoples - one army" or "two peoples - one country" have been circulating for a long time. Back in 2015, a delegation of parliamentarians discussed. The dream of "Great Turan" has not gone anywhere. Adolf also began with the Sudetes and the Anschluss of Austria. The Sultan may well start with the Anschluss of Azerbaijan. And get access to Central Asia and the Iranian border. And in these border areas, the majority are Azerbaijanis. And the Anschluss, coupled with a successful war, will show the strength of the Sultan and will have a strong psychological impact on Muslims. And for a couple of Turkish bases in the Caspian Sea, the United States will forgive Erdogan for all his sins.

Yes, it is possible that everything will start with the Anschluse, but as the commentator wrote from the bottom, why does the US need the Caspian Sea. At the moment, the goal is Iran in my opinion. A related goal is the withdrawal of Armenia and Azerbaijan from Moscow's control.

[Herman 4223]

There have already been strikes on the territory of Armenia, but Pashinyan does not ask for help from the CSTO. And he will not ask, apparently, because this will mean the Russian army in the Transcaucasus, and Pashinyan is a protege of the United States.

[K-612-O]

Let me remind you that in 92 the askers beat Stepanokert from Shushi and where they ended up in 94, this war is just beginning. A. Rtsakh withdrew only from the 2nd line of defense, and there are 7. of them. n. Another 2 weeks of such battles and Aliyev will compromise.

[Hypertension]

Quote: Pavlos Melas

I think that only the "north wind" can save the Armenian side. Not just a stream, but a whole squall.

Vladimirsky central, north wind ... It is better to let the "North wind" blow at your mill. And let the "wind of freedom" help Armenia ... Or this one, like him, Wind of Change.

[Krasnodar]

Hold for a breakout
The question is where it will be done

[anjey]

A breakthrough should be in the minds, and there are only wishlist and measuring n by claims, and so all over the World, a person is an imperfect creation .

[Krasnodar]

Philosophically))
I am about what the Azerbaijanis will do after the seizure of the NKR border with Iran
The Armenians understand what to do - to try to encircle the Azerbaijani group in the south, repeating the Ilovaisk pot.

[KARAKURT777]

What grouping, specialists work there in groups)) Many members of the forum do not have information at all. There, the Azerbaijanis take huge territories in small units. They don't even shoot at the fleeing Armenian soldiers, there is a video from a drone.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: KARAKURT777

What grouping, specialists work there in groups)) Many members of the forum do not have information at all. There, the Azerbaijanis take huge territories in small units. They don't even shoot at the fleeing Armenian soldiers, there is a video from a drone.

Then one of the three Armenians retreat to the mountains to give "the last and decisive battle" there.
Having surrendered the South, they are waiting for the Azerbaijanis to try to take the Lachin corridor and, by surrounding, destroy the grouping pressed to the border
The Armenians have focal resistance, there is no plan of action, they are waiting for international intervention or Azerbaijan's refusal to fight because of high losses

[Artavazdych]

What does focal resistance mean? The front is holding, for 22 days of fighting the Azerbaijanis have advanced a maximum of 30 km. Inconsistency ...

[Krasnodar]

where does he keep? In the center and north?

[Artavazdych]

Keeps all along the front line)

[Krasnodar]

Throughout the changing front line in connection with regrouping and tactical retreat, you wanted to say

[Artavazdych]

I wanted to say what I said. This is by no means focal resistance

[Krasnodar]

I don’t argue

[mitroha]

There, the Azerbaijanis take huge territories in small units. They don't even shoot at the fleeing Armenian soldiers, there is a video from the drone

Uh-huh, a video was posted here, how "Armenians fleeing as fast as they could," butchered a small group of "specialists, 45 or more people," like a nut.
Already tired of both sides, you, damn it, reduce the sturgeon. And correlate your propaganda with the site where you puff. Here people are often more experienced than "specialists in small groups"

[anjey]

It's just that there is a wagon and a small cart around this conflict of strategists, so talking about some Azerbaijanis and some Armenians, with their supposedly independent tactical calculations, is fundamentally wrong.

[anjey]

Of course, I'm not talking about highly respected colleagues from VO

[dzvero]

Where to please. While they have a choice. The Armenian side is limited and can only snap.
The most likely direction is south. The northeast is difficult for tanks. In the center, a "throw through the Ardennes" like the Germans in 1940 is unlikely - the infantry is not the same. In general, the success of the Azerbaijani army in three weeks of fighting with multiple superiority and successful use of the UAV is not impressive. The idea of ​​the operation is logical, but the execution ... It seems to me that the current position should have been reached on the third day, and not on the third week. And now the failed fast break is presented as a squeeze ...

[alpamys]

Quote: Livonetc

Are they running out or have Armenians learned to resist?
Or the first consequence of the second.

maybe the Armenians are over?

[Livonetc]

In other directions (except for the southern one), the Azerbaijanis did not succeed in achieving success.
It is too early to talk about the defeat of the Armenians.

[Ivan Ivanov_6]

A clarifying question: do the Armenians stop starting or start to end?

[Vincent]

Yeah, literally right yesterday posted
https://youtu.be/jUB3TLnpiWY

[SSR]

Quote: Vincent

Yeah, literally right yesterday posted
https://youtu.be/jUB3TLnpiWY

I have no complaints, just an opinion.
There are millions in Russia and those supporters of the conflict!
In other countries too.
Now IMHA.
The more cadres with the destruction, the more of those who sympathize with the helpers and it becomes more and more obvious that soon they will put a pig on Turkey and the NKR conflict will continue to smolder.

[TermNachTer]

I think that the Azerbaijani "blitzkrieg" is fizzling out or has already fizzled out, so there is nothing special to demonstrate. No intelligible results have been achieved - it's time to sit down at the negotiating table.

[Livonetc]

The Blitzkrieg has run out of steam.
But the offensive will continue.
Until Aliyev achieves serious military successes, he will not sit at the negotiating table.
The Armenians showed themselves to be extremely incapable of negotiating.
Armenians will be ready for a real compromise only in an extremely unfavorable situation.

[TermNachTer]

I think that there will be no serious successes. The weather is getting worse: in the mountains there will soon be snow, frost - the offensive will either slow down or stop altogether. However, with such a concentration of forces and means, in three weeks of fighting, go 30 km, i.e. 1300 meters per day is a bit different from the rate of advance that the "blitzkrieg" suggests.

[KARAKURT777]

The blitzkrieg was always mentioned by the Armenian side. Give one link where Azerbaijanis would talk about blitzkrieg. Why inspire yourself and others with such cheap fairy tales?

[Livonetc]

Most likely there were several scenarios.
Well, the apologists for the genius of the Azerbaijani command are broadcasting about a progressive "unhurried" plan to destroy equipment and systematically squeeze out the Armenians.
At the moment, the successes of the Azerbaijani army are too small in relation to the resources expended.
Azerbatsjan was supposed to achieve such successes in a few days of battles maximum.
The operation failed in fact.
The enemy is not suppressed.
The defense of the Armenians is holding, communications are functioning, actions are coordinated.
But you really have to stand your ground that this is a cunning plan of the fathers of the commanders.
Belief in command is not the last factor.

[Krasnodar]

This is not the work of a superpower against the separatists, who cut the local administration a month ago and took control of key facilities. ))
Two countries of the post-Soviet space are fighting for a disputed territory, inhabited and fortified by one of the parties for 30 years. At this stage, there is a slow expulsion of the local hostile population by shelling cities, the enemy's armed forces are being knocked out, the seizure of disputed territories is slowly going on. This is for a long time, no blitzkrieg was supposed.
Communications - while cutting off the connection with Iran. If they decide to hit on the logistics with Armenia, blocking the so-called. The Lachin corridor, while simultaneously intensifying the fire on the large N / P NKR, this may cause a massive flight of the remnants of the civilian population of Artsakh. On the other hand, they may come under attack from Armenia.
Suppression of resistance is impossible, at this stage, in principle. Several generations grew up in the NKR, who did not expel anyone from their homes, people who were born there, for whom Karabakh is their homeland and home. They will fight to the end.

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: Livonetc

The operation failed in fact.
The enemy is not suppressed.
The defense of the Armenians is holding, communications are functioning, actions are coordinated.

Watch yesterday's video of how the Armenian defense is holding

[KARAKURT777]

Well, how is the defense of the Armenians, is it still holding out?))

[K-612-O]

Have you studied tactics and operational-tactical techniques at the university? The nature and organization of the beginning of the Azerbaijani operation directly indicated the calculation of a powerful short-term throw from two directions and an exit to the NKR border, with the defeat of the main forces of the defenders, but alas. The offensive collapsed on the 5th day and turned into a positional war of artillery, and the use of small groups of a platoon / company to capture the abandoned n. n., which, as in 93-94, drag Azerbaijanis into the gorges, the result was then deplorable.

[Krasnodar]

It is clear that if Azerbaijanis stupidly enter the mountains, the result will be lamentable for them)).
In the north - so generally progress is very limited. The question is where they will rush next.

[TermNachTer]

Nobody invents fairy tales - this is the logic that follows from the operational design. However, this is not so important. It is important now to get out of this situation with minimal losses for Azerbaijan, because the consequences can be very bad.

[Vadim237]

There was no "Blitzkrieg" there - stop writing these nonsense.

[Otshelnik]

There is no such thing left for them.

[Livonetc]

Do you think this according to official reports?
So, according to reports, both sides destroyed each other several times.
And if the Armenians had run out of equipment, the Azerbaijanis had to occupy half of Karabakh if ​​they had not already been in Stepanokert.
In the meantime, only tactical successes.

[TermNachTer]

For a long time I urge all members of the forum to put aside the photos and videos and wait for real results, but everyone scolds me, accuses me of illiteracy. And when I ask - are you an expert, can you define authentic photo (video) or computer graphics? scold again))))

[Livonetc]

Maybe the graphics, maybe the defeat of false targets, maybe the reality.
Why not look ..
And the reality is on the cards.
How many kilometers have Azerbaijanis covered, even in the southern direction?

[TermNachTer]

The maximum is 30, but in some directions it is much less and this is very bad for Aliyev (Erdogan).

[Livonetc]

They had to break such a distance on the second day.

[TermNachTer]

Well, given the difficult terrain, maybe a little longer, but obviously not three weeks.

[Artavazdych]

While there was no difficult relief, these are plains and foothills

[TermNachTer]

The foothills are also, not much of a steppe, convenient for the use of tanks))))

[Vadim237]

And the mountains can be fired with the help of artillery and OTRK using constant target designation from drones, strikes on those hiding there will be accurate.

[Artavazdych]

Yes, only the ratio of losses of attackers and defenders will be completely different. And the speed of progress, respectively. Moreover, it is still unknown in which direction)

[TermNachTer]

Yeah, and then on a tank on a slope of 40 degrees)))) ATGM calculation can hide in any gap.

[Otshelnik]

I did not say that they completely collapsed ... the main thing for us now is to bring yesterday's breakthrough in the south to its logical conclusion.

[K-612-O]

The logical end of the breakthrough is the weekly transfer of equipment and troops to the border by Iran, which does not need a Turkish presence on the border of Eastern Azerbaijan at all.
And the capture, and then in some places, 2 lines of defense from 7 (!), Honestly not such a success and a breakthrough

[TermNachTer]

Azerbaijan now needs to start thinking about how to get out of this situation with the least losses, and not about continuing the offensive))))

[Krasnodar]

The territory is too difficult for the entry of troops into Stepanakert immediately after the destruction of the equipment)).

[Vol4ara]

Quote: Livonetc

For a long time, Azerbaijanis have not been spreading massive strikes by drones and loitering ammunition.
Are they running out or have Armenians learned to resist?
Or the first consequence of the second.

So the day before yesterday

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: Livonetc

For a long time, Azerbaijanis have not been spreading massive strikes by drones and loitering ammunition.

In the sense of a long time? Only this Saturday was posted, the day before yesterday.

[alpamys]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

Quote: Livonetc

For a long time, Azerbaijanis have not been spreading massive strikes by drones and loitering ammunition.

In the sense of a long time? Only this Saturday was posted, the day before yesterday.

beautiful .. essentially NATO is fighting against ODKB

[Grits]

Quote: alpamys

beautiful .. essentially NATO is fighting against ODKB

And the most offensive thing is that NATO fights much better than the CSTO

[alpamys]

Quote: Gritsa

Quote: alpamys

beautiful .. essentially NATO is fighting against ODKB

And the most offensive thing is that NATO fights much better than the CSTO

you need to draw conclusions, the reputation with 300 shells and other shnyaga is badly tarnished ..

[Vadim237]

"The reputation of c300 shells and other shnyaga is badly tarnished .." It's not the reputation of the air defense systems that is tarnished - but the training of the Armenian Armed Forces in general, and the equipment is the same.

[Grits]

Quote: alpamys

you need to draw conclusions, the reputation with 300 shells and other shnyaga is badly tarnished ..

Conclusions had to be made back in Syria. When the S-300, S-400 stood like worthless toys at a time when Israeli aircraft bombed the infrastructure of an ally with impunity. And not a single plane fell. That's when the reputation was tarnished. Now the reputation is gone - it is completely flooded with water.

[Maz]

By the way, the car done by ATGM is an Israeli-made Sandcat. Yesterday there was some noise and swearing on the cart about this. And today Israeli resources have been confirmed. Holy and innocent Jews, how can you not do without the products of their hands raking in the land of the CIS? krovushki not water not Jewish? Everywhere their nose and sidelocks with lids stick out.

[miru mir]

you blaze dearly in any topic, if you vyaknesh, then only about sideways

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Maz

Holy and innocent Jews, how can you not do without the products of their hands raking in the land of the CIS? krovushki not water not Jewish? Everywhere their nose and sidelocks with lids stick out.

And you, MAZ, support them in every possible way - you buy bread from them, pay the bills for water. And from your money spent on drinking and eating, taxes are paid to finance the bloodshed and murder of non-Jews of the Christian faith!
By washing down the Jewish bread soaked in tears from CIS-shnyh widows with water infused with Christian blood, you support the misanthropic Israeli regime with your hypertrophied consumption and gluttony! Switch to water from irrigation systems and boiled grass from the lawn!
Or return to Russia - here they trade in weapons only for the sake of the participation of the teams of Armenia and Azerbaijan in the tank, artillery and air biathlon!

[The leader of the Redskins]

The first video, in my opinion, does not explain anything - there are four armed men, dressed, let's say, in "military style".
But hitting the armored car impressed.

[Same lech]

there are four armed people dressed, let's say, in "military style".
But hitting the armored car impressed.

Judging by the opinion of the author of the article, these are mercenaries ... though their faces do not say where they come from ... and they walk along the road like the last slobs ... do not pay attention to the mark on the road ... here are bunglers.

[The leader of the Redskins]

Here I am a physiognomist, apparently, no ))

[venik]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

So I'm a physiognomist, apparently no request))

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From me - too! Try to distinguish (especially on distance) an Armenian from an Azerbaijani, and an Azerbaijani from an Arab !?

[Narak-zempo]

Quote: venik

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

So I'm a physiognomist, apparently no request))

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From me - too! Try to distinguish (especially on distance) an Armenian from an Azerbaijani, and an Azerbaijani from an Arab !?

Nerus - she is Nerus. Russophobes. Let them kill each other more.

[KARAKURT777]

But because the advanced units pushed the Armenians far away ... and the front, respectively. And the marching border guards equip the border posts, they are generally not in the subject here and do not take part in hostilities. About the Syrians and Libyans, sheer nonsense.

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

The first video, in my opinion, does not explain anything - there are four armed men, dressed, let's say, in "military style".

I don't understand that the Armenians are looking for some kind of militants there. Azerbaijan has an army three times larger in personnel, I generally keep quiet about the availability of modern technology. Why do they need some Arab bearded men who really do not know how to fight. But another question arises - officially Armenia does not participate in the war and recognizes the borders of Azerbaijan - so where does little Karabakh have so much strength to hold such a front for three weeks, against an entire army ?! Here, Azerbaijan should rather make claims for the presence of the armed forces of another state on its territory

[strannik1985]

Why do they need some Arab bearded men who really do not know how to fight.

That "no losses".
In fact, it depends on the official status (Azerbaijan) and agreements between the countries (Armenia - NKR).

[Grits]

Quote: Stirbjorn

Azerbaijan has an army three times larger in personnel, I generally keep quiet about the availability of modern technology.

Moreover, Azerbaijan should not boast of its victories, but be ashamed of the fact that they are still marking time. After all, they are fighting with overwhelming superior forces with ... no, no, not with Armenia. Not with a neighboring state. And with some unrecognized subject. With a small population, a lousy economy and a small army - with Karabakh. In addition, they do not hesitate to admit that a neighboring large regional power is actively helping them in this. Modern weapons, equipment, advisers, and possibly personnel. Yes, and the help of the barmaley, I am sure, is still available.
But with all this, the results are more than modest. When attacking an equal opponent, I think Azerbaijan would have been crushed to smithereens in the first days.
And, of course, beautiful. Beating up babies looks good.

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: Gritsa

Moreover, Azerbaijan should not boast of its victories, but be ashamed of the fact that they are still marking time. After all, they are fighting with overwhelming superior forces with ... no, no, not with Armenia.

Are you ashamed of the Winter War? I personally - no

[atalef]

Quote: Gritsa

When attacking an equal opponent, I think Azerbaijan would have been crushed to smithereens in the first days

another mantra about equal opponents.
you tell me. when Russia was at war with * an equal enemy *.

[Grits]

Quote: atalef

another mantra about equal opponents.
you tell me. when Russia was at war with * an equal enemy *.

Often. Sweden, Turkey, France, Germany, Japan.

[atalef]

Quote: Gritsa

Quote: atalef

another mantra about equal opponents.
you tell me. when Russia was at war with * an equal enemy *.

Often. Sweden, Turkey, France, Germany, Japan.

Well, also remember the Mongol yoke
Over the past 75 years.

[moscowp]

I was impressed by how a soldier jerked from an armored car and how in American blockbusters he sprawled in a jump at the last second)

[Tneburashka]

All are armed with Russian weapons and all Russia is accused of supplying these weapons

[Same lech]

all Russia is accused of supplying these weapons

They must be sent along other rails to Israel and Turkey.

[Professor]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

They must be sent along other rails to Israel and Turkey.

Already. The number 1 supplier of weapons to Azerbaijan is the Russian Federation, and Armenia recalled its ambassador from ... Israel due to the supply of weapons to Azerbaijan.

[Same lech]

and Armenia recalled its ambassador from ... Israel due to arms supplies to Azerbaijan.

Better from this they will not start fighting ... the train left as they say.
If the Armenians did not waste their precious time playing with Pashinyan, but would stock up on more modern weapons, at least in Israel, the war would not even have started.

[Professor]

Quote: The same Lech

and Armenia recalled its ambassador from ... Israel due to arms supplies to Azerbaijan.

Better from this they will not start fighting ... the train left as they say.
If the Armenians did not waste their precious time playing with Pashinyan, but would stock up on more modern weapons, at least in Israel, the war would not even have started.

Armenians have been showing off for 30 years already. After my visit there for 10 years I wrote how it would end. the military budget of Azerbaijan is more than the ENTIRE state budget of Armenia, and the Armenians do not rush to Armenia.
You need money to buy weapons in Israel, and money in Armenia. There are no Jews in Armenia either (there are in Azerbaijan), and even with Iran, Armenia is in the gum. Why does Israel need such partners? By the way, Armenians in Israel do not serve in the army (do not want to) and study in Arab schools, not Jewish ones.

[Krasnodar]

Armenian volunteers served with me)) Abu Gosh and Siar City of Jerusalem

[Professor]

Quote: Krasnodar

Armenian volunteers served with me)) Abu Gosh and Siar City of Jerusalem

And with me in Haifa, the Armenians worked with me in Israel since the time of the Ottoman Empire, but do not want to serve in Tsakhal. "This is not ours," they say.

[Stasi]

Quote: professor

The number 1 supplier of weapons to Azerbaijan is the Russian Federation, and Armenia recalled its ambassador from ... Israel due to the supply of weapons to Azerbaijan.

Obviously due to the fact that losses from UAVs of various classes supplied to Azerbaijan from Israel are the most sensitive for Armenians.

And you refused to freeze the supplies, referring to a rather unobvious statement that there are allegedly no facts of their use in this conflict.

[Vol4ara]

Quote: Stasi

Quote: professor

The number 1 supplier of weapons to Azerbaijan is the Russian Federation, and Armenia recalled its ambassador from ... Israel due to the supply of weapons to Azerbaijan.

Obviously due to the fact that losses from UAVs of various classes supplied to Azerbaijan from Israel are the most sensitive for Armenians.

And you refused to freeze the supplies, referring to a rather unobvious statement that there are allegedly no facts of their use in this conflict.

No need to think it over. Referring to the very obvious assertions that there are no facts of their use against the territory of Armenia, and against the territory of Armenia, Israeli UAVs are not used because Karabakh, according to internationally recognized documents, the territory of Azerbaijan

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Stasi

Quote: professor

The number 1 supplier of weapons to Azerbaijan is the Russian Federation, and Armenia recalled its ambassador from ... Israel due to the supply of weapons to Azerbaijan.

Obviously due to the fact that losses from UAVs of various classes supplied to Azerbaijan from Israel are the most sensitive for Armenians.

And you refused to freeze the supplies, referring to a rather unobvious statement that there are allegedly no facts of their use in this conflict.

There were no facts of their use against Armenia. Karabakh deyure Azerbaijan

[Professor]

Quote: Stasi

Obviously due to the fact that losses from UAVs of various classes supplied to Azerbaijan from Israel are the most sensitive for Armenians.

That's what they say.

Quote: Stasi

And you refused to freeze the supplies, referring to a rather unobvious statement that there are allegedly no facts of their use in this conflict.

Why should we freeze arms supplies to Azerbaijan? The UN does not prohibit.

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: professor

Why should we freeze arms supplies to Azerbaijan? The UN does not prohibit

Oleg, welcome!

One question - since when does the State of Israel sacredly honor the UN prohibitions when the question is about the integrity of the promised country?

[Professor]

Quote: stalkerwalker

One question - since when does the State of Israel sacredly honor the UN prohibitions when the question is about the integrity of the promised country?

Israel always venerates bans on the supply of weapons. Never violates UN sanctions.

[KARAKURT777]

Armenia has been the main supplier of weapons for the Azerbaijani army since September 27.

[venik]

Quote: professor

The number 1 supplier of weapons to Azerbaijan is the Russian Federation, and Armenia recalled its ambassador from ... Israel due to the supply of weapons to Azerbaijan.

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What, RF and during the conflict Does he supply weapons to Azerbaijan?

[Professor]

Quote: venik

Quote: professor

The number 1 supplier of weapons to Azerbaijan is the Russian Federation, and Armenia recalled its ambassador from ... Israel due to the supply of weapons to Azerbaijan.

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What, RF and during the conflict Does he supply weapons to Azerbaijan?

I do not have such facts, as no one has the facts of the supply of weapons to Azerbaijan by Israel during the conflict... Airplanes from Uvda can also carry pepper and avocado to Baku. Fortunately, there is a demand for our agricultural products.

[venik]

Quote: professor

Airplanes from Uvda can also carry pepper and avocado to Baku.

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Uh-huh! And more - "lawn mowers" .....vertical takeoff! On them now in Baku especially largedemand!!!

[Professor]

Quote: venik

Quote: professor

Airplanes from Uvda can also carry pepper and avocado to Baku.

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Uh-huh! And more - "lawn mowers" .....vertical takeoff! On them now in Baku especially largedemand!!!

1. Do you want to say that air communication between Azerbaijan and the Russian Federation has been terminated? Is the Caspian Sea blocked?
2. Do you have evidence that Israel continues to supply arms to Azerbaijan?

Then what is the actual conversation about?

[Incvizitor]

Well, during the war, they directly supply their enemy (planes are constantly flying), it is not surprising that they recalled. But about the supply of now, for example, drones to Azerbaijanis from the Russian Federation, something is not visible.

[Grits]

Quote: Incvizitor

But about the supply of now, for example, drones to Azerbaijanis from the Russian Federation, something is not visible.

Do we have drones to supply to Azerbaijan?

[Incvizitor]

Orion might well have suggested.

[Grits]

Quote: Incvizitor

Orion might well have suggested.

They could offer that. Only Azerbaijan does not need it. Because they chose UAVs from other countries. Much more effective and have been proven more than once in battle. And they did not lose.

[Rubina]

Armenia has been the supplier of free weapons to Azerbaijan for the last week.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: professor

Already. The number 1 supplier of weapons to Azerbaijan is the Russian Federation, and Armenia recalled its ambassador from ... Israel due to the supply of weapons to Azerbaijan.

That's right - for not supplying weapons to Armenia.

For all the Jews there is a judge.
For liveliness. For the mind. For stoop.
For the fact that the Jew shot at the leader.
For the fact that she missed.

© Huberman
Well, not to recall the ambassador from Russia - the Armenians will still live and earn money there.

[Professor]

We do not supply for free. Armenia has no money.

[Pastor]

Unfortunately, enmity between peoples is only getting worse. Everywhere everything starts with Russophobia, independence and exclusivity. Then the revision of their role in history and the introduction of the consciousness of the unjust losses into the masses. Last summer I was in Armenia. People are kind and helpful. But even then I saw "multi-vector". Well, this almost never happens.

[Same lech]

And I worked with both Armenians and Azerbadzians ... quite normal and adequate in everyday life.
As soon as someone from outside starts using their sore spots with Nagorno-Karabakh, the whole world is over.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Pastor

People are kind and helpful. But even then I saw "multi-vector". Well, this almost never happens.

Multi-vector will not help. It was necessary to think when "they wanted to become independent, who is their eternal enemy, and who is their friend. Did they really think that these enemies would suddenly become friends, or hoped for" friends "from overseas, they are so far away, and they have their own problems higher All this was visible back in 1991, when they separated, and when the war began.

[Vincent]

When will Armenians report on the destruction of unmanned aircraft in Azerbaijan? They have such a good, democratically elected president and the largest US embassy, ​​and they fight with their grandfathers at 41 - they stupidly send the guys to the front line without air cover. Somehow he is not a real president ... The people of Armenia should think on whose side they are and how such huge losses are justified.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Vincent

He is some kind of fake, this president ... The people of Armenia should think about which side they are on

Do you still believe that the people choose presidents?

[Professor]

The armored car is the Spike Sandcat. Why was it necessary to pull him to the front line? Spike hits 32 km.

[Stasi]

Quote: professor

The armored car is the Spike Sandcat. Why pull him to the front line? Spike hits 32 km.

As an assumption - to get deep into the NKR ...

[Krasnodar]

Quote: professor

The armored car is the Spike Sandcat. Why was it necessary to pull him to the front line? Spike hits 32 km.

There is no desert))

[Professor]

Quote: Krasnodar

Quote: professor

The armored car is the Spike Sandcat. Why was it necessary to pull him to the front line? Spike hits 32 km.

There is no desert))

This video is from Korea, but Azerbaijan also has such complexes. Now one less.

[Krasnodar]

The terrain where the sandcat was hit is mountainous. Therefore, to use the OTRK, it is necessary to keep cars near the front line.

[Professor]

Quote: Krasnodar

The terrain where the sandcat was hit is mountainous. Therefore, to use the OTRK, it is necessary to keep cars near the front line.

The area in southern Lebanon is also not Kherson, but Spikes were used from the territory of Israel and were substituted for the Cornets.

[Krasnodar]

They were used in different ways - both spikes and tou

[faiver]

Spike hits 32 km

- Have the instructions been translated into Azerbaijani? They don't use Hebrew

[Vadim237]

Azerbaijan has already transferred more than 200 of these ATGMs and several thousand missiles for them.

[Vadim237]

The armored car is the Spike Sandcat. No, this is not a car with Spikes.

[APASUS]

A poorly informative video, the material indicates the repulse of an attack with the use of tanks, and then incomprehensible movements of a mercenary, shooting at the feet from an RPG, fire of ammunition. What proves the presence of this attack?

[Grits]

Quote: APASUS

A poorly informative video, the material indicates the repulse of an attack using tanks, and then incomprehensible movements by a mercenary, shooting at the feet from an RPG, fire ammunition, which proves the existence of this attack

Indeed, some kind of confusion. Azerbaijani videos are of higher quality and more effective.

[Seal]

Quote: Stasi

And you refused to freeze the supplies, referring to a rather unobvious statement that there are allegedly no facts of their use in this conflict.

We would have to freeze supplies to both sides. Otherwise it is illogical. But then the Armenians would swear at us for this reason.

[Seal]

Quote: Vincent

The people of Armenia should consider which side they are on

The people of Armenia have long voted with their feet. Https://noev-kovcheg.ru/mag/2012-21/3548.html
Noah's Ark magazine for November 2012.
Most of the countries of the South Caucasus accept Armenian citizens

Among American voters, the number of voting Armenians has grown significantly over 10 years. This is evidenced by data posted on the official website of the American Census Bureau, according to which in 2001-2010. Among the inhabitants of the three Transcaucasian states, most often the natives of Armenia received American citizenship.

Thus, in 10 years 19.469 people from among those who moved from Armenia to the United States received American passports. For comparison, the number of Georgians who received American passports during the same period was 5840, and the number of Azerbaijanis was 9300, armtoday.info reports.

By the way, it should be noted that the number of Armenians receiving American passports is growing from year to year. If in 2007 their number was 1500, then in 2010 this figure has already reached 3 thousand.

[RUS96]

Do Armenians put camera traps? (1st video)

[DAQ]

Yes, they have everything there in ip cameras. Simple and fast (speeddums, those that rotate in all directions and with optical zoom.) When you see another video from Armenia, where the shooting is at a great distance, while the image is shaking, you should know this camera was hung on an impromptu wobbling pole. Those that are attached to concrete pillars and buildings give an even picture (I know not by hearsay)

[Master]

There will be no forest battles. Magomed will not go into the forest, but will bypass him)). It is obvious that the Lachin corridor will be closed. And then squeeze the ring. There is also progress from the north. Only there it is not only difficult but also pointless. Why attack from where there are more defenses. As with Fuzuli. We entered from the rear. We took skyscrapers. And all Fuzuli was taken. It's best to go from the south. From where they did not expect. Map of territories taken yesterday

[Otshelnik]

Exactly ... but the supporters of the blitzkrieg will not calm down anyway)

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: Livonetc

Earlier, the head of the Russian Foreign Intelligence Service Sergei Naryshkin also said that there are foreign mercenaries in the region of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict, including those transferred from Syria.

Yes, he was the only one who spoke about the Kurds, who, if they fight, are clearly on the side of the Armenians. Why are they only pushing against Azerbaijan ?!

[Gvardeetz77]

Quote: Livonetc

For a long time, Azerbaijanis have not been spreading massive strikes by drones and loitering ammunition.
Are they running out or have Armenians learned to resist?
Or the first consequence of the second.

Maybe so, or maybe the second consequence of the first ...

[DAQ]

Already ATGMs (mestizo or what was it?) Are shooting point-blank. Azerbaijan may not like full contact. There, the density of ATGM and RPG is like potatoes in the beds. If the main means of defense are not suppressed from the air or artoi, then the attacks will choke. And like this, under ATGMs in the attack, throwing soldiers on armor like cannon fodder is not the best solution.

[Romeo]

and where are the burning T-90s?

[Gunther]

Quote: Pavlos Melas

... I think that only the "north wind" can save the Armenian side. Not just a stream, but a whole squall.

well, if only "money in the morning, chairs in the evening"
and they wrote ... against the wind

[Vladimir Balaev]

To explain the Armenian-Azerbaijani war, logically, it is impossible - three villages, two villages and thousands of victims! The reason is different - card debt - sacred debt - I don't know what Aliyev and Erdogan played, only Aliyev lost and even Putin's shout does not help - you have to pay for debts!

[Alex Justice]

During the Great Patriotic War, we lost tens of thousands of fighters over one hill.

[Elturisto]

The main thing is not to strain yourself from nonsense ...

[opuonmed]

Turkey, the United States and the EU are doing everything to play off the people among themselves, and they send the Terres and stalemate all of them from the Russian Federation! well done!

[genisis]

Quote: professor

Quote: The same LYOKHA

They must be sent along other rails to Israel and Turkey.

Already. The number 1 supplier of weapons to Azerbaijan is the Russian Federation, and Armenia recalled its ambassador from ... Israel due to the supply of weapons to Azerbaijan.

Only since the beginning of hostilities not a single cargo board has flown from Russia to Azerbaijan, and SilkWay planes from Tel Aviv to Baku fly one after another.
Therefore, the ambassador was recalled.
Armenians on 18/09/2020 opened an embassy in Israel and have already recalled the ambassador.
Somehow there is no contact with the Jews.

[Vadim237]

Now Israel will land another hundred more kamikaze drones with Azerbaijan, and they will land them on the Armenian positions and equipment.

[genisis]

Vadim, admit, drones are your fetish? ))
It seems to me that you do not go to bed without

juggle

someone with Israeli drones))

[Professor]

Quote: genisis

Only since the beginning of hostilities not a single cargo board has flown from Russia to Azerbaijan, and SilkWay planes from Tel Aviv to Baku fly one after another.

Have you stopped sending mail? Not a single container has been delivered from the Russian Federation? Not a single steamer came in? I didn’t know that the Russian Federation was blockading Azerbaijan.

Quote: genisis

Therefore, the ambassador was recalled.

That's not why. It's just that Armenia is afraid to snap at the Russian Federation.

Quote: genisis

Armenians on 18/09/2020 opened an embassy in Israel and have already recalled the ambassador.
Somehow there is no contact with the Jews.

Jerusalem will not survive ...

[genisis]

Have you stopped sending mail? Not a single container has been delivered from the Russian Federation? Not a single steamer came in?

No. Everything that flew on schedule - flies, that went - walks.
But from Israel such regularity has not been observed before.

Armenia is afraid to snap at Russia

I will tell you my opinion. He is afraid to snap at the Russian Federation and Israel. What to do, it can be more expensive for yourself.
As for the supply of weapons and military equipment from the Russian Federation to Azerbaijan, since 2014 not a single large new contract has been concluded with Azerbaijan. Since September 27, no military supplies to Azerbaijan from the Russian Federation have been recorded. Do you have other information? Share.
Moreover, in the first week, Aliyev did not consider it necessary to call Putin at all, communicating with Erdogan every day.

Jerusalem won't survive

Well, sorry. They made their own choice.
And Yerevan will survive

[Professor]

Quote: genisis

No. Everything that flew on schedule - flies, that went - walks.
But from Israel such regularity has not been observed before.

1. That is, cargo boards and steamers from Russia to Azerbaijan now go?
2. It's avocado and mango season. So they fly. And before that they flew regularly.

Quote: genisis

I will tell you my opinion. He is afraid to snap at the Russian Federation and Israel. What to do, it can be more expensive for yourself.

So far there has been no reason, and if there is, then no one will stand on ceremony. Our safety is the most precious thing. When it was necessary, the American steamer was fired upon and the Soviet pilots were shot down.

Quote: genisis

As for the supply of weapons and military equipment from the Russian Federation to Azerbaijan, since 2014 not a single large new contract has been concluded with Azerbaijan. Since September 27, no military supplies to Azerbaijan from the Russian Federation have been recorded. Do you have other information? Share.

So far I have not seen any fixation of supplies from Israel. Some speculation. Since the planes fly from Israel, then with weapons, from the Russian Federation with flowers and nothing else. Whole steamers from the Russian Federation, but especially with humanitarian cargo.

Quote: genisis

Moreover, in the first week, Aliyev did not consider it necessary to call Putin at all, communicating with Erdogan every day.

And he still hasn't spoken to Bibi. AND? Azerbaijan does not even have an embassy.

Quote: genisis

Well, sorry. They made their own choice.
And Yerevan will survive

We bloom and grow stronger without Armenia, but it somehow languishes without us. I saw it myself. Their economy is in ... ne, demography in deep ... ne, and there are no prospects even in ... ne. Who is worse off from breaking ties?

[genisis]

Avocado and mango? Have you been to Azerbaijan for a long time? There and for potatoes, people do not always have money, not that they can take mangoes by air in Israel. I do not mean that people in Armenia live richly, but not everyone in Azerbaijan lives happily ever after.
If Israeli planes do not bring weapons to Azerbaijan, I will only be glad. However, I see no reason for the Israelis to refuse Azerbaijanis if such requests were received.
Israel is a proud country, but, I repeat, I have not seen Israel snapped at the Russian Federation. Although he had reasons for this.
Why would he talk to Bibi? Is he deciding something in that area?
I can't remember the close ties between Israel and Armenia since 1991.
I don't think that if they were, then Armenia would now be much richer.

[Professor]

Quote: genisis

Avocado and mango? Have you been to Azerbaijan for a long time? There and for potatoes, people do not always have money, not that they can take mangoes by air in Israel. I do not mean that people in Armenia live richly, but not everyone in Azerbaijan lives happily ever after.

Likewise, mango and avocado are not carried for everyone, and tens of tons per week are scattered to shops. The varieties Etinger and Hass are in great demand.

Quote: genisis

If Israeli planes do not bring weapons to Azerbaijan, I will only be glad. However, I see no reason for the Israelis to refuse Azerbaijanis if such requests were received.
Israel is a proud country, but, I repeat, I have not seen Israel snapped at the Russian Federation. Although he had reasons for this.

The sale of weapons to Azerbaijan is not prohibited by anyone. Armenians can drink some water and get used to it. By the way, the supply of weapons to Armenia is not prohibited.
The security of Israel is first of all for us and when it is necessary no one will "think" about who is sitting at the air defense systems or in the pilot's seats. We have already gone through this with the USSR, and the power of the USSR and the Russian Federation cannot be compared. Different dimensions.

Quote: genisis

Why would he talk to Bibi? Is he deciding something in that area?

Solntselik also does not decide, as we see from the example of the Karabakh events. The Moscow truce did not last a day.

Quote: genisis

I can't remember the close ties between Israel and Armenia since 1991.
I don't think that if they were, then Armenia would now be much richer.

None of the countries that maintain close ties with Israel have become poorer from this. Armenia could get a lot from Israel:
1. Hundreds of thousands of Israeli tourists a year.
2. Joint projects in high-tech. Both countries lack natural resources. Almost not.
3. Raise your agriculture to the world level.
4. Learn to live in an unfriendly environment and build a modern army, not what we are seeing today.
5. Raise higher education to the world level.
You can still go on, but ... Armenians are "the proud and the most, the most". They have nothing to learn from the Jews. They themselves will teach whoever you want.

[Strykalo]

Why is there such a conflict between Azerbaijan and Armenia?

[Maz]

Quote: professor

Quote: The same LYOKHA

They must be sent along other rails to Israel and Turkey.

Already. The number 1 supplier of weapons to Azerbaijan is the Russian Federation, and Armenia recalled its ambassador from ... Israel due to the supply of weapons to Azerbaijan.

Whom are you treating, professor, we supplied them with equal weapons, which balanced both sides without giving them an advantage, and you gave them drones of the 21st century that outweighed the scales in any way, providing an advantage for the tank, no need to pretend to be a fool professor here, almost everyone has two higher educations ... valid attempt, but did not work. Baku would never have been able to advance so far, had it not had your weapon - the Israeli one. So the blood of both sides is on your country, and you will never wash your bloody shit, Messrs. Jews. As I understand it, you trained in Georgia, and in Ukraine too, but here you have such success. But a double-edged sword. You have got hold of blood enemies in the person of the Armenian diaspora. They won't forgive you. Congratulations, Israel has more enemies. Armenians are not Arabs, no matter how they wash themselves.

[Professor]

Quote: Maz

Baku would never have been able to advance so far, had it not had your weapon - the Israeli one.

Thank you for advertising our weapon.

Is your daughter going to marry a Jew or an Arab in Israel?

[Elturisto]

What a monstrous nonsense. The Russian Federation did not supply UAVs to Mamed because they are not competitive, that's all. So they would put it. In general, reproaching Israel for the supply of weapons is idiocy. Israel's main interest is to stir up the topic of Iran, and Turkic nationalism is very welcome. Why the heck the Russian Federation supplied weapons to the Mamed, this is stupidity and shame for the country, the same is the supply of weapons to Turkey, the construction of a nuclear power plant, the sale of wheat, etc. This is no longer stupidity, but a betrayal.