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It is reported about the nature of the combat training duel of Russian diesel-electric submarines in the Sea of ​​Japan

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It is reported about the nature of the combat training duel of Russian diesel-electric submarines in the Sea of ​​Japan

Russian submarine fleet Primorskaya flotilla The Pacific Fleet conducted exercises in the Sea of ​​Japan. Diesel-electric submarines (diesel-electric submarines) participated in the maneuvers, which were assigned combat training missions to participate in dueling operations at sea. The nature of the underwater duel is reported.


The press service of the Russian military department reports that at the combat training range, two diesel-electric submarines of the Primorsky flotilla of heterogeneous forces of the Pacific Fleet of the Russian Navy have practiced the skills of searching, attacking and counterattacking a simulated enemy submarine. The use of standard armament of Russian submarines and hydroacoustic countermeasures was carried out.

The submarine discovered a simulated enemy submarine and carried out an attack with a torpedo salvo, finding itself in an advantageous position. The second Russian submarine carried out a maneuver to evade a strike, followed by a counter-attack.

During an underwater duel in the Sea of ​​Japan, Russian Pacific Fleet submarines worked out avoiding pursuit with jamming. So-called decoys were also used.

The corvette of the Russian Navy "Loud" also took part in the maneuvers. This is a Project 20380 near and far sea zone warship, commissioned less than two years ago. The ship was built at the ASZ (Amur shipyard).
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  1. Sofa expert
    Sofa expert 19 October 2020 07: 21
    +2
    Hard to learn, easy to fight
  2. Thrifty
    Thrifty 19 October 2020 07: 23
    -19 qualifying.
    Well, if they had a duel with the Japanese, to defeat an enemy submarine, and beat them with torpedoes with paint instead of a warhead, then it would be possible to draw conclusions about the "professional suitability" of our submarines in case of a military conflict! !!
    1. Doccor18
      Doccor18 19 October 2020 07: 57
      13
      if they had a duel with the Japanese, to defeat the enemy's submarine, and beat them with torpedoes with paint instead of a warhead, then it would be possible to draw conclusions about the "professional suitability" of our submarines in case of a military conflict! !!

      This is unrealistic.
      But the exercises must be carried out.
      As for the professional suitability and defeat of the Japanese adversaries, everything is very difficult.
      We can contrast 11 modern nuclear powered submarines with VNEU of the Soryu type with 8 scheduled diesel-electric submarines of project 877 and 1 of project 636. These projects are separated by 30 years. What duels ...
      1. Eldorado
        Eldorado 19 October 2020 09: 25
        +2
        Quote: Doccor18
        if they had a duel with the Japanese, to defeat the enemy's submarine, and beat them with torpedoes with paint instead of a warhead, then it would be possible to draw conclusions about the "professional suitability" of our submarines in case of a military conflict! !!

        This is unrealistic.
        But the exercises must be carried out.
        As for the professional suitability and defeat of the Japanese adversaries, everything is very difficult.
        We can contrast 11 modern nuclear powered submarines with VNEU of the Soryu type with 8 scheduled diesel-electric submarines of project 877 and 1 of project 636. These projects are separated by 30 years. What duels ...

        There is no project 636 at the Pacific Fleet. "Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky" and "Volkhov" are still in the Baltic.
        1. Doccor18
          Doccor18 19 October 2020 09: 31
          +1
          There is no project 636 at the Pacific Fleet. "Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky" and "Volkhov" are still in the Baltic.

          Well, officially she became part of the 19th brigade of the Primorskaya flotilla of the diverse forces of the Pacific Fleet. And the arrival is only a matter of time.
          1. Eldorado
            Eldorado 19 October 2020 10: 26
            -2
            Quote: Doccor18
            There is no project 636 at the Pacific Fleet. "Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky" and "Volkhov" are still in the Baltic.

            Well, officially she became part of the 19th brigade of the Primorskaya flotilla of the diverse forces of the Pacific Fleet. And the arrival is only a matter of time.

            We also have a lot of ships in the Pacific Fleet, but half of them are laid up.
    2. 1976AG
      1976AG 19 October 2020 08: 19
      +2
      Quote: Thrifty
      Well, if they had a duel with the Japanese, to defeat an enemy submarine, and beat them with torpedoes with paint instead of a warhead, then it would be possible to draw conclusions about the "professional suitability" of our submarines in case of a military conflict! !!

      And the Japanese will sit and think with a paint warhead or with a real warhead.
  3. Avior
    Avior 19 October 2020 07: 31
    -5
    The logic behind the duel is obscure.
    The role of the DEPL ambush.
    A duel of an ambush with an ambush is rather an exception than a typical situation, correct if not right.
    1. BDRM 667
      BDRM 667 19 October 2020 07: 43
      +5
      Quote: Avior
      The logic behind the duel is obscure.
      The role of the DEPL ambush.

      There is such a situation in which a diesel-electric submarine attacking from an "ambush" is found by a similar "diesel engine", but part of the escort of the convoy / squadron ...

      What then should be considered their confrontation?
      1. Avior
        Avior 19 October 2020 08: 04
        0
        Do you know the low-noise speed of the submarine, and indeed the real speed of the diesel underwater and its range and the speed of the squadron and range?
        1. BDRM 667
          BDRM 667 19 October 2020 08: 20
          +2
          Quote: Avior
          Do you know the low-noise speed of the submarine, and indeed the real speed of the diesel underwater and its range and the speed of the squadron and range?

          In any case, I know as well as you repeat .
          But not the point. Didn't you write about the "ambush" tactics? Where, in this case, are the contradictions that during an attack the boat can, moreover, is likely to be discovered?
          Why, in this case, the parameters of the course and noise you mentioned?
          1. Avior
            Avior 19 October 2020 08: 39
            +1
            despite the fact that the main tactic of using a dead-end ambush is precisely because of the speed and range.
            and the fight of two ambushes is not a typical situation.
            In any case, I know as well as you

            Why, then, are you writing about guarding the squadron?
            1. BDRM 667
              BDRM 667 19 October 2020 08: 47
              +4
              Quote: Avior
              Why, then, are you writing about guarding the squadron?

              Only in the cinema, and in the performance of amateurs, the squadron / convoy rush at full steam, cutting the wave, but in fact ...

              Do you know what actually determines the speed of a convoy?
              1. Avior
                Avior 19 October 2020 09: 06
                +1
                A complex of factors, conditions, the composition of the squadron, I write about it, and not about the convoy, tasks, deadlines for their implementation and other factors. Accompaniment of a modern diesel-electric submarine of a modern squadron is rather atypical due to the difference in capabilities.
                But you somehow missed the key point - it was not about a diesel-electric submarine fight with a squadron, but about a strictly duel.
              2. PSih2097
                PSih2097 19 October 2020 10: 18
                +4
                Quote: BDRM 667
                Do you know what actually determines the speed of a convoy?

                Never waterfowl, but probably the slowest ship? request
                1. BDRM 667
                  BDRM 667 19 October 2020 10: 27
                  +3
                  Quote: PSih2097
                  Never waterfowl, but probably the slowest ship?

                  yes Quite right, as well as the nature of the course.
                  1. PSih2097
                    PSih2097 19 October 2020 13: 55
                    +1
                    So this also applies to land convoys, the maximum speed of 40 km / h with equipment, the speed of up to 60 km / h is purely for cars. It all depends on the relief and possible opposition (attack from the top) ...
  4. Bez 310
    Bez 310 19 October 2020 07: 36
    -4
    Some kind of nonsense ...
    And the title is generally beyond reasonable.
    1. Lex_is
      Lex_is 19 October 2020 10: 39
      +1
      You just need to make allowances for the deep understanding of the subject by journalists and their craving for catchy headlines.

      These are normal learning tasks.
      - enemy detection
      -torpedo attack
      - avoiding pursuit
      -the use of false targets.
  5. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 19 October 2020 07: 53
    0
    So good. Real search, competitive spirit, adrenaline, and in general - who will win ... It's cool laughing it is not on a computer with a mouse ... And the study is much faster and more productive ...
  6. Ros 56
    Ros 56 19 October 2020 07: 57
    +1
    Well, what is the end result, after all, a draw is a rarity in war?
    1. 1976AG
      1976AG 19 October 2020 08: 15
      +4
      Quote: Ros 56
      Well, what is the end result, after all, a draw is a rarity in war?

      The result is crew training. Or do you need ships to berth, and crews on vacation?
  7. Victorm
    Victorm 19 October 2020 08: 08
    0
    Quote: Avior
    The role of the DEPL ambush.
    It depends on what kind of diesel-electric submarines. Such tactics are recorded for Russian submarines only because there is no VNEU and, accordingly, there is practically no chance against Japanese submarines, or even more so US nuclear submarines.
    But as I understand it, they are not assigned more tasks than protecting the bases of nuclear-powered ships.
    On the other hand, Russian diesel-electric submarines have cruise missiles on board and they can strike at coastal targets, and this is already an independent task, especially since it is not known whether there are Calibers with nuclear warheads. If there is one, the diesel-electric submarine, although a kamikaze, but before that they can destroy a large base of the Japanese or Americans on the Japanese islands, and even more so play their role in this case by diverting part of the forces from the nuclear submarine.
    But this is all through my eyes of the same profane as you.
    Failure to create diesel-electric submarines with VNEU is the first call that there is already a lag in the domestic military-industrial complex and the further, the better it does not get.
    1. Avior
      Avior 19 October 2020 08: 44
      0
      there was a duel between two diesel-electric submarines without VNEU, that is, an atypical situation.
      As for the use of Calibers with diesel-electric submarines, here you need to look at specific conditions, and the possibilities of their application compared to nuclear submarines are much less due to natural and significant restrictions on speed and range.
    2. K-612-O
      K-612-O 19 October 2020 09: 18
      +2
      A boat with VNEU is no quieter than a classic diesel-electric submarine, its only + is a long stay in a submerged position, which does not give advantages in battle. And our GASs are certainly not worse than Japanese ones. Submarines have never been the strength of the Japanese navy. And the fight against submarines is still the task of aviation and surface ships.
      Yes, and there is a caliber with nuclear warheads, which endangers, first of all, the bases of the Japanese fleet, Japan does not have the ability to destroy our bases with one blow.
      1. Doccor18
        Doccor18 19 October 2020 09: 54
        0
        ... her only + is a long stay in a submerged position, which does not give advantages in battle.

        In one battle he does not give, but in war he gives, and what kind ...
  8. Mytholog
    Mytholog 19 October 2020 08: 23
    +3
    We are doing everything right, educational-training-combat training. Work out to automatism. Although - even so against 11 Japanese Soryu - it will be hard.
  9. 123456789
    123456789 19 October 2020 18: 35
    0
    “It's hard to learn - easy to hike! Easy to learn - hard to march! "- Alexander Vasilyevich Suvorov Russian commander 1730 - 1800
  10. Vladimir1155
    Vladimir1155 19 October 2020 20: 08
    0
    As a result of the conducted exercises, it was once again proved that it is difficult to find submarines even at sea, and even more so in the ocean
  11. Victorm
    Victorm 19 October 2020 22: 25
    0
    Quote: vladimir1155
    As a result of the conducted exercises, it was once again proved that it is difficult to find submarines even at sea, and even more so in the ocean

    I do not think that it is difficult to find diesel-electric submarines in the ocean forced to surface and go under diesel engines.