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"Russia is still using this relic of the Cold War": the US press spoke about the Sevastopol battery "Cliff"

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A recently published demonstration of the operation of the Utyos coastal defense anti-ship missile system attracted the attention of the Western press, which focused on criticizing the "relics" of the Cold War, along with other creations of the Soviet era, in service with the Russian army.


A relic of the Soviet era and the Cold War


The publication The War Zone (USA) has closely studied the video material of the RF Ministry of Defense dated October 14, which is devoted to repelling the attack of the 3M44 anti-ship missile launched from the Cliff battery near Sevastopol, by fire from the Calm installation of the Admiral Grigorovich frigate, which was in the Black Sea.

These exercises demonstrate some of the newest Russian armory systems, but they also show the continued importance of the "veteran" "Cliff" and its unique connection with Sevastopol, the Crimean peninsula

- writes the edition.

History This battery, located in the mountains near Balaklava, dates back to 1954, when the construction of its predecessor, the Sopka system, began. It was intended to defend Sevastopol and the southern approaches to the USSR from the sea. "Sopka" was replaced by "Utyos", equipped with a new missile R-35B, which was also used in the mobile coastal defense system "Redut". The new battery was commissioned in 1973 and was modernized in 1982, having received the 3M44 Progress anti-ship missile system with a range of 460 km.

After the collapse of the USSR, the object was at the disposal of Ukraine, "apparently out of use" and returned under the wing of the Russian military after the annexation of Crimea.


The work of "Calm"


Anti-ship "super zone"


The Utes was quickly returned to operational status, and the first missile launch as part of the exercise took place in April 2016

- notes The War Zone, pointing out that since then the anti-ship group in Crimea has been reinforced with "modern and powerful means of coastal defense" - missile systems "Bastion-P" and "Bal".

They differ from the “aging system” “Cliff” by increased survivability due to mobility and the ability to receive target designation from a variety of sources, including UAVs.

These coastal defense systems are just one manifestation of one of the world's largest concentrations of anti-ship missile capabilities. In combination with the Black Sea Fleet and the Air Force, they can, in the shortest possible time, turn almost the entire water area of ​​the Black Sea into an anti-ship missile "super zone"

- indicates The War Zone

At the same time, doubts are expressed about the combat effectiveness of the "Cliff", despite the fact that the Russian fleet continues to value it. Although, according to the publication, if it is in demand at least during exercises, then it already justifies itself:

This relic of the Cold War is still in use and plays a useful role.


Photos used:
YouTube / Russian Ministry of Defense
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  1. Sofa expert
    Sofa expert 19 October 2020 07: 17
    11
    Best the enemy of the good..
    1. Bykov.
      Bykov. 19 October 2020 08: 21
      25
      Quote: Divan expert
      Best the enemy of the good..

      Tomahawks are so simple the know-how of tomorrow
      1. Vladimir Mashkov
        Vladimir Mashkov 19 October 2020 11: 40
        10
        Precisely, exactly, they themselves have scattered "relics" all over the world. yes And this Crimean "relic" will regularly fulfill the task! yes yes yes Yes, and there are opportunities for upgrades. So, the "partners" are just jealous! lol Themselves, I suppose, dreamed of capturing and using the "relic". And now they drool by licking their lips! laughing
        1. Alex777
          Alex777 19 October 2020 19: 37
          +3
          They worry that when the Progress ends, we will put Zircons in these positions. There have already been talks about this.
          Then no one will be funny. hi
          https://flotprom.ru/2020/348194/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_content=rss&utm_campaign=flotprom
      2. Squelcher
        Squelcher 19 October 2020 17: 15
        +5
        Yeah ..... B52 is definitely not a remake, it is difficult to call it a relic, the ancients as products of the mammoth's life, nevertheless serve.
      3. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 20 October 2020 09: 15
        +1
        Well they are improving ....
      4. seacap
        seacap 20 October 2020 19: 35
        +1
        Minutemen and Palares are also the same age, not to mention the B-52. If the machine meets the requirements, then why break it?
    2. chingachguc
      chingachguc 20 October 2020 19: 31
      0
      in 1940, an ancient Norwegian torpedo from a coastal battery in 1898 sank the newest cruiser Blucher
      1. vostok68
        vostok68 22 October 2020 13: 37
        0
        I'm embarrassed to ask, was the torpedo made in 1898?
  2. nnm
    nnm 19 October 2020 07: 18
    32
    Well, this is ... trite, choosing Ball + Bastion + Cliff or simply Ball + Bastion, I think it is better to have Cliff in stock than not to have it. The main thing is that the complex has been restored. Yeah, if there is such a physical opportunity, then, probably, it is worth believing that over time it will be re-equipped.
    1. Simargl
      Simargl 19 October 2020 10: 47
      +4
      Quote: nnm
      probably, we should assume that over time it will be re-equipped.
      Shoot at targets and change. Why waste good things?
  3. Thrifty
    Thrifty 19 October 2020 07: 20
    27
    Let us shoot at your battleship with such "relics" !!! Only then do not udevlyatsya if your product goes to the bottom, "from contact with relics"!
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 19 October 2020 07: 27
      +3
      Quote: Thrifty
      then don't be surprised if your product goes to the bottom, "from contact with relics"!

      Exactly! A relic, it turns out, still wow! And it worries you very much. Silently envy our relics!
      1. Jacket in stock
        Jacket in stock 19 October 2020 08: 13
        +2
        Quote: Egoza
        A relic then, it turns out, still wow

        Why is it so-gosh.
        A huge slow rocket is easily knocked down, which is confirmed by past exercises.
        Ammunition is only 2 pieces, which will not even allow you to crush the quantity.
        And for launching targets, a toy is somehow expensive.
        1. ficus2003
          ficus2003 19 October 2020 08: 32
          +4
          It seems to me that there were just rockets left and decided that it was better to put on duty than to spend money on disposal. As the video shows, you can use them for exercises with real missiles. And yes, they are old and very large, which means that any modern naval air defense should be able to shoot them down easily.
          1. URAL72
            URAL72 19 October 2020 09: 50
            13
            Far from any. How to bring it down to Georgia, Bulgaria, Romania, Ukro-Reich, even Turkey? And how to create the density of fire? New expensive missiles? No, "The Cliff" will still serve. There are also options for re-equipping this well-defended position with new missiles.
            1. ficus2003
              ficus2003 19 October 2020 12: 03
              +3
              It is written not "any" but "any modern".
        2. APASUS
          APASUS 19 October 2020 09: 25
          +7
          Quote: Jacket in stock
          A huge slow rocket is easily knocked down, which is confirmed by past exercises.

          They are not so slow:
          The range of the rocket varied depending on the altitude and flight profile. The altitude on the cruising flight segment could vary from 400 to 7000 meters, the range varied from 100 kilometers at the minimum cruising flight altitude, and up to 300 kilometers at the maximum. The flight speed reached M = 1,8.
          1. ficus2003
            ficus2003 19 October 2020 12: 06
            +2
            The tomahawk's speed is generally subsonic, but for this large cow, created not using stealth technology, Mach 1.8 is not enough, but some kind of ukrokorab can easily send it to the Bandera Hurias.
            1. APASUS
              APASUS 19 October 2020 13: 25
              +2
              Quote: ficus2003
              The tomahawk's speed is generally subsonic, but for this large cow, created not using stealth technology, Mach 1.8 is not enough, but some kind of ukrokorab can easily send it to the Bandera Hurias.

              Not everything is so simple, the same aircraft carriers do not have an air defense system at all, so they are escorted, and there are also transports and a bunch of weapons of lower rank. How many% of NATO ships are actually able to find and resist such a missile? Do you remember that the high-speed transport catamaran Swift was unlucky or has nothing to hide behind?
              1. ficus2003
                ficus2003 19 October 2020 21: 54
                +1
                Aircraft carriers do not have and should not have weapons; their job is to carry planes and drones. And do not worry about the US air defense, it is the naval part they have developed, in contrast to the land.
        3. Piramidon
          Piramidon 19 October 2020 09: 28
          +7
          Quote: Jacket in stock
          Ammunition is only 2 pieces, which will not even allow you to crush the quantity.

          They can even be used as a distraction. If you add "Ball" and "Bastion", then the number increases.
        4. PSih2097
          PSih2097 19 October 2020 09: 55
          +5
          Quote: Jacket in stock
          A huge slow rocket is easily knocked down, which is confirmed by past exercises.

          almost 2 mach is slow ??? belay
          on "loaves" "Granites", on "Atlanta" and "Eagles" "Granites \ Volcanoes" are still standing, which is also a "relic of the Soviet era and the Cold War", but does not cancel their destructiveness both on surface and on land targets ... request
        5. Errr
          Errr 19 October 2020 10: 28
          +1
          Quote: Jacket in stock
          Ammunition is only 2 pieces, which will not even allow you to crush the quantity.
          P-35, even in splendid isolation, is capable of crushing with its grandeur; there warheads weighing up to a ton. If only one such thing arrives at a speed of about 2200 km / h, even a rank 1 ship will not seem a little. The most important thing here is not to get caught herself.
        6. Bersaglieri
          Bersaglieri 19 October 2020 11: 18
          +3
          Not expensive - everything was paid for back in the USSR :) There are a lot of 3M44 in storage. Disposed of by start-up method.
        7. Alex777
          Alex777 19 October 2020 19: 58
          +1
          A huge slow rocket ... Only 2 ammunition ...

          It is immediately evident that they have not read anything about the Utes.
          Rockets 4, fire in a salvo and all 4 are guided at targets individually. It used to be 8. Speed ​​- 1,8M.
          If all 4 went to the frigate, the "Grigorovich" could drown.
        8. for
          for 20 October 2020 02: 08
          0
          Quote: Jacket in stock
          Huge slow rocket gets knocked down easily

          Well, for those times, it may not be so huge that the slow one (even on a 1.8M wiki) There can be a lot of paired containers on boats 651 and 675 4 and 8
        9. blackice
          blackice 21 October 2020 03: 21
          -1
          A huge, slow rocket. That's great. if to start with such missiles at the target and while the missile defense of the target is amused with these missiles, you can send something smaller and faster to catch up.
        10. Lex_is
          Lex_is 22 October 2020 13: 48
          -1
          There is nothing wrong with it, but when combined with the same Balami-Bastions and aviation, it will give additional targets, to reflect which you will need to spend attention and resources, and will increase the likelihood of a successful attack.
  4. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 19 October 2020 07: 31
    19
    Anything that can hit the enemy is a weapon. Has the potential been exhausted? Will they be easily shot down? Or will they spend high-precision ammunition to suppress this battery? Well, this is not one on one! "Cliff" against the ship "outfit" ... And in the general salvo these powerful missiles will add "weight". In the meantime, let them train ours. "On the battlefield" ... laughing
  5. VORON538
    VORON538 19 October 2020 07: 44
    25
    And why is not "Voevoda" called a relic? She is also more than a dozen years old. And there are still enough "relics" that the Americans would prefer to see removed from service and sawed from Russia.
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 19 October 2020 09: 59
      -1
      Quote: VORON538
      And why is not "Voevoda" called a relic?

      Well, there "YuzhMash" was noted, and this is "Tse Europa" ...
  6. Ros 56
    Ros 56 19 October 2020 07: 53
    +9
    Well, let their Arlie Burke compete with Bastion and Cliff. I'm afraid there will be no one to write off the ships.
    1. Bersaglieri
      Bersaglieri 19 October 2020 11: 18
      -3
      With Bastion - bash for bash, with Berk Cliff - will win: different generations :)
  7. Olddetractor
    Olddetractor 19 October 2020 07: 56
    17
    Children envy the female dog. Chelomey's brainchild is in the ranks and serves well!
  8. Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 19 October 2020 08: 10
    -6
    And I don’t understand, if the “cliff” was taken away / dismantled during the times of Ukraine, then wouldn't it have been easier to immediately put a new launcher in its place, and not restore the old one?
    Anyway, they are going to change soon.
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 19 October 2020 10: 01
      0
      Quote: Jacket in stock
      And I don’t understand, if the “cliff” was taken away / dismantled during the times of Ukraine, then wouldn't it have been easier to immediately put a new launcher in its place, and not restore the old one?
      Anyway, they are going to change soon.

      if there are missiles in the warehouse, it is better as it is, but if not, it will be like with the "Sharks" 941 project ...
    2. PROXOR
      PROXOR 19 October 2020 10: 21
      +3
      If there is a stock of missiles in warehouses, then let it stand. It is from the Cliff that the first VALP on the enemy will begin. Bastion's and BAL's rockets will follow. The ship's air defense, sweating with the Cliff, will already be unable to fight off the second wave from the Bastions and Balls.
      1. Alex777
        Alex777 19 October 2020 20: 19
        0
        IMHO Cliff - finishing. Both in size and in charge. hi
    3. Alex777
      Alex777 19 October 2020 20: 24
      +1
      But I don't understand if the "cliff" was taken away / dismantled during Ukraine

      The story is that there were 2 divisions with 2x2 missiles each.
      One division was looted. It was not restored.
      Another division was mothballed. It is now rebuilt and working.
      By the way, did you know that there is a working tower of 305 mm guns in Sevastopol? wink
  9. 1536
    1536 19 October 2020 08: 16
    +7
    So after all, the Anglo-American or other fascist ships can be launched to the bottom, if necessary. So why change such a good weapon? Unfortunately, since the times of the Cold War, the threat of a blockade of Crimea or the landing of an amphibious assault by the now NATO armies has not gone anywhere, on the contrary, it has increased.
  10. Prisoner
    Prisoner 19 October 2020 08: 26
    14
    Why not use once works? While they are looking for ways to counter new products, they will forget about him. laughing And, if anything happens, here we are. Surprise! I remember when our videoconferencing began to iron the igils, the western experts were joking, they say, what kind of old bandyugans are going to be sent to the gurias. When the caravans of "hundreds of heavenly" martyrs "for faith" reached the booths of paradise, they fell silent and began to scratch their turnips. belay How is it that they, without "smart", expensive bombs, managed to tear up so many bearded, so many objects and weapons? what
    1. Jacket in stock
      Jacket in stock 19 October 2020 09: 22
      -8
      Quote: Captive
      Why not use once it works?

      So that's the question.
      Until 2016 it did NOT work.
      Why was it necessary to restore it, if plans have already been announced to replace it.
      Wasn't it easier to replace immediately.
      Do it once, so as not to redo it immediately.
      1. Bad_gr
        Bad_gr 19 October 2020 11: 27
        +1
        Quote: Jacket in stock
        Wasn't it easier to replace immediately.
        Do it once, so as not to redo it immediately.

        Or maybe it has been modernized with an eye on the transition to new missiles? For example, the sighting system is installed modern (in fact, I don't know).
      2. garri-lin
        garri-lin 19 October 2020 16: 27
        0
        There were two batteries. One of them was taken away. It was mothballed before modernization like. And the second was more or less intact. She was shamanized to a workable state. Investments in these complexes are not worth a big deal. Zero behind them. The coordinates are known. Will be covered first. So either there will be super-sophisticated long-range missiles to reach the enemy. Zircon type. Or just do not matter what kind of missiles there will be.
  11. Mytholog
    Mytholog 19 October 2020 08: 30
    +7
    "Cliff" is quite a peppy old man. And it has been modernized more than once. Not even in the first roles - he will still serve his own and the benefit from him is quite for himself.
  12. Tneburashka
    Tneburashka 19 October 2020 08: 45
    +4
    It is quite a working complex, if the adversary does not seem to be a little substituted, it will be more offensive if there is nothing to shmallow on him
  13. rocket757
    rocket757 19 October 2020 09: 11
    +7
    Honestly, sho for nonsense journalists spread?
    In any large army there will be more than one museum of these "relics" !!!
    The technique is functionally suitable, the task can be completed ??? What is the answer, such is its further fate, either on alert / use / reserve, or a training manual for training the military!
    In general, it is not clear what the question is.
    Dwarf armies, dwarf states, with the availability of funds, sometimes allow themselves rearmament "according to the season"! Huge armies, specific countries, this is such a colossus, which, if shoveled in a new way, is a process for decades, and in some positions is a very long process.
  14. Escobar
    Escobar 19 October 2020 09: 11
    +5
    But it has combat stability like a battleship, try to disable the anti-ship missile battery hidden in the mountain!
    1. garri-lin
      garri-lin 19 October 2020 16: 30
      0
      With a launcher under a frail lid? Raskurochat how nefig to do. There should be good object air defense. But why spend it on 4 ammunition missiles? Unless it is mobile to put something nearby under the same umbrella.
  15. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 19 October 2020 09: 13
    +6
    All effective means should be used, absolutely not bothering with the development date. For example, the American Marines still use ka-bar knives. Ay-y-yay! How can you use this relic from the century before last! Immediately take away this junk and replace with ceramic! Well, they will break, so what ?! What a stupid article.
    1. Jacket in stock
      Jacket in stock 19 October 2020 09: 26
      -9
      Quote: Mikhail3
      All effective means should be used, absolutely not bothering with the date

      That's right, effective.
      And what is the effectiveness of the ancient "Progress", which easily gets lost and of which there are only 2 pieces in a salvo?
      And it would be fine, from Ukraine I got it in working order, but I had to restore it. Now they are going to throw it away and put another one in its place.
      Well, they would make a new one right away.
      1. PSih2097
        PSih2097 19 October 2020 10: 08
        +2
        Quote: Jacket in stock
        And what is the effectiveness of the ancient "Progress", which easily gets lost and of which there are only 2 pieces in a salvo?

        there (in the "Cliff") you can push instead of 3M44 (P-35M +) P-700 / P-800 / P-1000
  16. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 19 October 2020 09: 30
    +5
    Maybe these Cliffs were stamped in our time, like shoe polish at the uncle of the postman Pechkin. lol
    1. engineer74
      engineer74 19 October 2020 10: 09
      +1
      Likely. I have a suspicion that by some miracle Ukraine did not get a warehouse with 100% "repair kit" or another modernization wink Assembled in a regular place - cheap and cheerful good
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 19 October 2020 10: 18
        +2
        They were stationed not only in Crimea, but on the unsinkable aircraft carrier about Kildin there was something similar, and there was more than one launcher. hi
  17. AshPoseidon
    AshPoseidon 19 October 2020 09: 38
    +3
    This relic of the Cold War is still in use and plays a useful role.

    As they are not indifferent to Russian weapons, they are closely studying everything. Even such relics of the Cold War give them a sense of inevitability of retribution. One system "Perimeter" is worth it.
  18. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 19 October 2020 10: 07
    +3
    Western press, which focused on criticism of the "relics" of the Cold War
    They criticize, but at the same time rightly notice that they are playing a useful role. The United States has enough "relics" of the Cold War. Why not use what is still effective and can cause significant damage to the enemy.
  19. faiver
    faiver 19 October 2020 10: 15
    +3
    If Americans are like scolding or mocking us, it means that we are doing everything right, but if they praise us, then we need to think and figure out what is wrong.
  20. Yaro Polk
    Yaro Polk 19 October 2020 11: 08
    0
    the relic is not a relic, but some kind of averse D.KUK, it will easily send to the bottom if you pull it with a doublet immediately from this installation)
  21. Gunther
    Gunther 19 October 2020 13: 13
    +2
    once criticized, it means "grapes are green")))
  22. Old26
    Old26 19 October 2020 13: 28
    +3
    Quote: Thrifty
    Let us shoot at your battleship with such "relics" !!! Only then do not udevlyatsya if your product goes to the bottom, "from contact with relics"!

    But whether he will get the enemy ship. When they began to change it to "Bastion", they said that the huge disadvantage of this anti-ship missile system is its marching height. Minimum 200 meters. Maximum 4-7 km when firing at full range. A rocket flying at an altitude of 200 m will be detected at least 50-70 km from the ship ... And this is one and a half minutes of summer
    The maximum is to use it as a launcher for launching target missiles in exercises.

    Quote: PROXOR
    The ship's air defense, sweating with the Cliff, will already be unable to fight off the second wave from the Bastions and Balls.

    They won't even sweat from The Cliff. And from "Bastion" and "Bal" only "Bastion" is dangerous for them. "Ball" is a subsonic missile and is simply not designed to defeat the same "Burk"

    Quote: Bad_gr
    Quote: Jacket in stock
    Wasn't it easier to replace immediately.
    Do it once, so as not to redo it immediately.

    Or maybe it has been modernized with an eye on the transition to new missiles? For example, the sighting system is installed modern (in fact, I don't know).

    Yeah, "cunning plan". What is the transition to new missiles? There are no new missiles for this complex. And if there is a transition to new missiles, then only on "Onyx", Then this launcher must be thrown for scrap. Aiming system (modern) for a missile. which is essentially decommissioned - who will create it?

    Quote: Jacket in stock
    And it would be fine, from Ukraine I got it in working order, but I had to restore it.

    Moreover, Constantine, only one of the two positions was restored. The second was even more deplorable.

    Quote: PSih2097
    there (in the "Cliff") you can push instead of 3M44 (P-35M +) P-700 / P-800 / P-1000

    Elementary. All that is needed for this is a hacksaw for metal and a sledgehammer (in order to push the P-700 or P-1000. And the P-800 in this launch container will feel like a g ... in an ice hole and hang out in the same way

    Quote: Yaro Polk
    the relic is not a relic, but some kind of averse D.KUK, it will easily send to the bottom if you pull it with a doublet immediately from this installation)

    The score between them (D. Cook and Utes) will be 1: 0 not in favor of "Utes"
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 19 October 2020 15: 29
      0
      Quote: Old26
      Moreover, Constantine, only one of the two positions was restored. The second was even more deplorable.

      EMNIP, after the transfer of "weaving" to the Naval Forces of Ukraine, the first division was completely looted - not only non-ferrous metal remained, but even a hermetic door and a PU cover.

      And the second division was put on storage and survived. In 2009, the Ukrainian Navy even wanted to revive him.
      The degree of safety of this division is evidenced by the fact that after the reunification of the Crimea, its restoration took no more than six months: its readiness was reported already in September 2014.
  23. Koval Sergey
    Koval Sergey 19 October 2020 13: 33
    16
    What do they care what we use? Let them pass by.
  24. zwlad
    zwlad 19 October 2020 14: 34
    0
    Let the "partners" not worry. If they shoot the ammunition, they will replace it with a modern one.
  25. 7,62h54
    7,62h54 19 October 2020 14: 57
    +1
    From any relic it takes fright.
  26. Igor S.
    Igor S. 19 October 2020 20: 50
    0
    If the system works well for its purpose in its niche, why should it be abandoned? Just for the sake of someone not nodding at us, as at retrogrades? Stupidity! Why, then, does the same logic not apply to the B-52s that entered service in 1955?
  27. Old26
    Old26 19 October 2020 21: 37
    +1
    Quote: Igor S.
    If the system works well for its purpose in its niche, why should it be abandoned? Just for the sake of someone not nodding at us, as at retrogrades? Stupidity! Why, then, does the same logic not apply to the B-52s that entered service in 1955?

    Igor! The system is out of date. his marching altitude is such that he will be knocked down once or twice. As an anti-ship missile system, it is no longer needed. But using it in exercises is an option.
  28. Motorhead
    Motorhead 19 October 2020 21: 52
    0
    If the enemies are criticizing, it means they are not talking and it is not in vain.
  29. Sailor
    Sailor 20 October 2020 07: 52
    +1
    During my service, we on MT stood at the "point" in the roadstead and guarded the position from the sea. By the way, from the side of the sea, the mountains look empty except for a small house at that time (89-92).
  30. COJIDAT
    COJIDAT 20 October 2020 08: 39
    0
    When a couple of such "relics" out of ten arrive at the destroyer, it will be pleasant to listen to the Americans)))
  31. HOMUT1430
    HOMUT1430 20 October 2020 09: 09
    0
    The United States still uses the Browning 12.7 / 99 machine gun, from the time of WW1. Forgotten? Tama is not enough to come up with anything. And what?
  32. Vyacheslav34
    Vyacheslav34 20 October 2020 09: 22
    0
    Everyone forgets that the relic hitting the ship makes adjustments to its design. This relic instantly converts any ship into a submarine. and regardless of its displacement and security. This dinosaur will drum all modern tricks such as jamming reflectors of dipole and false targets, and the charge is such that the destroyer cruiser Licor and the aircraft carrier sinks at the same speed.
  33. chingachguc
    chingachguc 20 October 2020 19: 22
    0
    in fact, this relic is capable of sinking any NATO ship. And he is also able to fly to Istanbul and block any sea traffic here.