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"The Russians are shooting the P-700 again": the Polish press on the old weapons of the nuclear submarine "Antey"

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The Russian nuclear-powered submarine "Oryol" performed rocket firing during the exercise. Despite the modernization of the onboard weapons system of the Project 949A Antey submarines announced by the military department, they remained with the same main caliber.


All the same "Granite"


The Russians again fired old P-700 Granit anti-ship missiles from under the water, not the new Caliber, Onyx and Zircon

- writes the Polish edition of Defense24, describing the firing on October 13 in the Barents Sea at a distance of 120 km.

According to the data of external observation, which was flown by the IL-38 PLO aircraft, the crew of the Orel nuclear submarine successfully coped with the task assigned to it. However, questions are raised by the type of anti-ship missiles: "Granite" was created in the 1980s.

Meanwhile, judging by the previous statements of the Russian command, the ships of the Antey type should have been modernized and prepared for the use of new weapons systems

- explains the publication, noting that, as it turns out, not a single submarine of this project, which has left the shipyard over the past five years after repair and modernization, has not been subject to such changes.

Thus, work was carried out at Orel during 2014-2017. However, he kept the same weapons arsenal. A similar situation is observed in the case of the project 949A Omsk submarine, which underwent repairs in 2015 - 2019 and remained with the Granit anti-ship missile system.

Unfulfilled dreams of the fleet


Now everyone hopes that up to version 949AM with its characteristic new anti-ship missiles, Irkutsk will be remade, which is to leave the shipyard in 2022. However, this submarine is the oldest in its line. Therefore, it is unlikely that a decision will be made to invest huge funds in it for modernization.

So, there is a high probability that the modernization of the Anteevs to version 949AM will remain an unfulfilled dream of the Naval fleet

- concludes Defense24.

Currently, the Navy has seven submarines of the 949A type, the Kursk died in 2000, three Anteyas were decommissioned in the 2010s, the Belgorod is being completed according to a special project and should be the carrier of the Poseidon nuclear torpedo. The nuclear submarines that remain in service are armed with 12 twin Granit launchers. At the same time, Rubin Central Design Bureau has developed a project for their modification to version 949AM. As expected, upgrading the launch systems would not require any changes to the hulls of the ships.

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  1. Machete
    Machete 18 October 2020 10: 39
    25
    The last thing I think is the least important thing for the Lyhams to worry about. They never had this, and what we have is always enough for them.
    1. BDRM 667
      BDRM 667 18 October 2020 10: 50
      +9
      Kursk died in 2000, three Antey were decommissioned in 2010

      Apart from the tragically lost "Kursk", three relatively new "batons" were written off.

      - K-148 "Krasnodar", in service since 30.09.1986/2014/XNUMX Served in the Northern Fleet, disposed of in XNUMX;

      - K-173 "Krasnoyarsk", in service since 31.12.1986/2016/XNUMX Served at the Pacific Fleet, disposed of in XNUMX;

      - K-119 "Voronezh", in service since 29.12.1989/2011/2020 Served at the Northern Fleet. In XNUMX, the repair was completed at the Zvezdochka CS. In XNUMX, withdrawn to the reserve before writing off ...
      1. Machete
        Machete 18 October 2020 10: 52
        +4
        I'm not specifically about Antaeus, but about any of our weapons.
        Lyakhi constantly with ambition carry nonsense that we have one old thing and so on.
        1. Vladimir Mashkov
          Vladimir Mashkov 18 October 2020 11: 48
          +2
          Poles worry in vain: Russian commanders are no more stupid than Polish ones and modernization work is certainly underway. True, the Poles are not informed about this ... lol
          1. Lesorub
            Lesorub 18 October 2020 16: 16
            +4
            Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
            Poles worry in vain: Russian commanders are no more stupid than Polish ones and modernization work is certainly underway. True, the Poles are not informed about this.

            To spite the Poles - to upgrade the Granites on the 949A Antey - to add range and speed - because at the moment we have no competitors in this "weight" category - and the rocket is really formidable!
            1. Romario_Argo
              Romario_Argo 19 October 2020 11: 11
              0
              "Granites" - add range and speed

              so there is also the Kh-74M2 Dagger add a stage we will get the reincarnation of the OTRK Volga
              and integrate under pr. 949AM Antey, we can still deploy additional. OTRK divisions to existing brigades on Iskander
          2. antivirus
            antivirus 18 October 2020 18: 20
            0
            work on modernization is probably underway. True, the Poles are not informed about this ... lol

            from 1946 to 53 g a tunnel was built from Smolensk to "near Warsaw" and "near Krakow", Satan will fly (5 sprouts of LPBeria, a tunnel in diameter) - hence Yarsy and Topols - kirdyk lyakham
            underground nuclear explosions are not prohibited. (not to be confused with poison tests)
        2. Skifotavr
          Skifotavr 19 October 2020 08: 36
          -2
          Quote: Machete
          I'm not specifically about Antaeus, but about any of our weapons.

          Unfortunately, it's the same with him. But on TV and propaganda Internet resources, they will not say about it. I watched as in the Russian TV report about the successful test of "Zircon" first showed a video of the launch of "Onyx", and then "Caliber". Of course, you can say that this is for secrecy, but the military specialists of other countries are not mentally retarded. This is designed exclusively for its philistine audience. The Russian military see and understand everything, but they are silent, because no one wants to go to work as a loader, slowly dying of hunger and disease.
          1. CSKA
            CSKA 19 October 2020 10: 04
            0
            Quote: Skifotavr
            I watched as in the Russian TV report about the successful test of "Zircon" first showed a video of the launch of "Onyx", and then "Caliber".

            I don’t know what channel you watched, only I haven’t seen Jsc TV anywhere that would show the launch of Onyx or Caliber.
      2. CSKA
        CSKA 19 October 2020 10: 02
        -2
        I don't quite understand what you mean by that. Well, there are still 8 left. Ash-M is being built, there is also Pike-B, Condor and Barracuda.
        1. BDRM 667
          BDRM 667 19 October 2020 10: 15
          +2
          Quote: CSKA
          I don't quite understand what you mean by that. Well, there are still 8 left.

          If the question is for me, then I just regret that the cases, which could still serve, are cut.
          1. CSKA
            CSKA 19 October 2020 11: 59
            0
            Quote: BDRM 667
            If the question is for me, then I just regret that the cases, which could still serve, are cut.

            I do not know whether they could serve or not, but as far as I understand, they are being removed from the composition, replacing them with Ash.
      3. Charik
        Charik 20 October 2020 01: 21
        0
        Please treat with understanding (khe-khe)
    2. LiSiCyn
      LiSiCyn 18 October 2020 10: 52
      +3
      Quote: Machete
      The last thing I think is the least important thing for the Lyhams to worry about.

      Indeed, "whose cow would bellow" ... They don't have a fleet either. The weakest in the Baltic. Maybe only Finns are their competitors ... And even then, not a fact. They ruined their ship structure, they live on swap like suckers.
      1. BDRM 667
        BDRM 667 18 October 2020 10: 56
        +5
        Quote: LiSiCyn
        The weakest in the Baltic.

        Wait, why didn't you find a place for the formidable Tribals in your ranking?
        1. WILL
          WILL 18 October 2020 11: 11
          23
          Quote: BDRM 667

          Wait, why didn't you find a place for the formidable Tribals in your ranking?

          He just couldn't find them on the map! repeat
          1. Zoldat_A
            Zoldat_A 18 October 2020 12: 30
            +2
            Quote: BDRM 667
            Quote: LiSiCyn
            The weakest in the Baltic.

            Wait, why didn't you find a place for the formidable Tribals in your ranking?

            Quote: ANIMAL
            He just couldn't find them on the map!

            In the entire history of their "independence" they have not had a normal fleet. And now the "sprotoflot" has also got up.
            What is there to count something? Three rubber boats in which my friends and I go fishing on the Volga?
        2. TermNachTer
          TermNachTer 18 October 2020 11: 15
          13
          Because the rating considers fleets. Columns "inflatable boats", not in the rating))))
        3. LiSiCyn
          LiSiCyn 18 October 2020 11: 27
          +5
          Quote: BDRM 667
          no room for the formidable Tribals?

          Do they have a fleet ??? belay
          Ah, yes, yes ... there are minesweepers, converted from MRI. Excuse me, but in my opinion, the Navy should have at least one strike ship. Otherwise, it's not the Navy. request
          1. bk0010
            bk0010 18 October 2020 12: 31
            +8
            You underestimate the contribution of the Lithuanian kite and the Estonian navy to the defense capability of NATO forces
      2. white.eagle
        white.eagle 18 October 2020 12: 21
        +1
        the best ship in the Baltic is ... an airplane. Back in the Warsaw Pact period, the Polish fleet was old and small in number, but there were very frequent air maneuvers over the sea using the MiG 21 and Su 22. On the other hand, Poland currently has NSM and RBS 15 missiles in the Baltic Sea region. So the Baltic Fleet Russia will not be able to survive the first 5 minutes of the war in the Baltic. Of course, these are surface ships, not submarines. To combat submarines, Poland bought AgustaWestland AW101 Merlin helicopters to replace the Mi 14. Only thanks to NATO membership Poland has ships of the corvette or frigate class. They are not needed in the Baltic Sea, and their task is to participate in NATO missions, most often in the Arctic region, where Norway has a problem with Russian claims to the Arctic. These Polish frigates are old, but the Seasprite helicopters on them, using MU 90 torpedoes, are still very dangerous for submarines.
        1. LiSiCyn
          LiSiCyn 18 October 2020 12: 53
          +8
          Quote: white.eagle
          Poland has ships of the corvette or frigate class. They are not needed in the Baltic Sea, and their task is to participate in NATO missions, most often in the Arctic region, where Norway has a problem with Russian claims to the Arctic.

          As they write "outdated" anti-ship missiles Granit, in the event of a hot phase they will work on Polish frigates and corvettes. And I have a premonition that the Poles will be unable to do anything.
          Quote: white.eagle
          On the other hand, Poland currently has NSM and RBS 15 missiles in the Baltic Sea region.

          We, as it were, also have something.
          Quote: white.eagle
          So the Russian Baltic Fleet will not be able to survive the first 5 minutes of the war in the Baltic.

          Everything will depend on intelligence. We will reveal the plans and time, we will have time to withdraw the fleet. If not, we will shoot from the wall and the team to the shore.
        2. avdkrd
          avdkrd 18 October 2020 20: 13
          +3
          Quote: white.eagle
          To combat submarines, Poland bought AgustaWestland AW101 Merlin helicopters to replace the Mi 14.

          What a fight. Poland as a country and territory will outlive our fleet by 15 minutes. The only option when the Polish Armed Forces could remain in relative integrity is with an immediate withdrawal from NATO and the withdrawal of all American military facilities. Which spoons will Poland fight? With Antaeus? So they don't need to go to the Baltic. Then, about 5 minutes .... If, of course, our ships will represent targets, then yes, but preparation for a "quiet" war is impossible. A sudden strike by the forces of Poland and any NATO country is impossible.
        3. ZEMCH
          ZEMCH 19 October 2020 00: 24
          +3
          Quote: white.eagle
          So the Russian Baltic Fleet will not be able to survive the first 5 minutes of the war in the Baltic.

          This is if it is in the Base. I do not think that Poland itself will survive longer than an hour after that)))
        4. Charik
          Charik 20 October 2020 05: 07
          0
          yes, whatever they have there, the result is often sad - usually for Europe
        5. Xscorpion
          Xscorpion 20 October 2020 14: 24
          0
          What kind of corvettes and frigates can I ask from Poland? 2 decommissioned by the Americans Oliver of the 70s, and by the proud name of the corvette mean no less formidable patrol ship with a thousand tons of displacement, with a complete absence of any missile weapons? It is the size of our MRK, only ours may have at least 8 anti-ship missiles. How long will this powerful fleet resist? Will they be suitable for something?
    3. VoroncoV
      VoroncoV 18 October 2020 10: 55
      +1
      Quote: Machete
      The last thing I think is the least important thing for the Lyhams to worry about. They never had this, and what we have is always enough for them.

      Wasted straight laughing If the turmoil begins, we will not spend expensive weapons on them .. Too much honor
      1. Machete
        Machete 18 October 2020 11: 02
        10
        If a mess starts, they will be the first and the brave NATO will donate.
        Liakhs do not have enough brains even to understand this.
        1. VoroncoV
          VoroncoV 18 October 2020 11: 26
          +3
          Quote: Machete
          If a mess starts, they will be the first and the brave NATO will donate.
          Liakhs do not have enough brains even to understand this.

          Exactly .. If they could live in peace, no one threatens them, even moreover, thanks to the USSR, Germany's tidbits of territory were transferred to Poland .. They would have kept quiet! Their history teaches nothing.
          1. Machete
            Machete 18 October 2020 11: 36
            +5
            I think their knees are shaking at the thought of German lands and the prospect of losing them. And the main thing here is not our threat, but the German one. Therefore, they will hold on to the mattresses to the last. We definitely don't need their lands.
            1. VoroncoV
              VoroncoV 18 October 2020 12: 42
              +2
              Quote: Machete
              I think their knees are shaking at the thought of German lands and the prospect of losing them. And the main thing here is not our threat, but the German one. Therefore, they will hold on to the mattresses to the last. We definitely don't need their lands.

              Exactly ! There, back in Poland, after 45, there were serious Jewish pogroms, even the troops had to be recruited .. Those are still shifters! negative
            2. meandr51
              meandr51 18 October 2020 23: 21
              0
              One Pole shuttle at the border told me back in 90 that they were afraid that instead of the Russians the Germans would come and take everything back.
    4. Civil
      Civil 18 October 2020 11: 14
      0
      Enough for Poland, let them not worry, they are a little outdated against the United States.
  2. Bear040
    Bear040 18 October 2020 10: 42
    +7
    Why are the Poles not bothered by the use of the US Tomahawk missiles, developed in the 70s of the 20th century (developed from 1972 to 1980) ?! Granite rocket is not new, but quite adequate today.
    1. Machete
      Machete 18 October 2020 10: 45
      +4
      Well, this is a democratic master's junk. It is rotten and brings light and democracy. laughing
      Lahi will never bark against the owners.
  3. rocket757
    rocket757 18 October 2020 10: 45
    +3
    "Tell me, dear count, am I right or wrong?" .... i.e. right are the experts of the "great sea power" or to wait for an expert opinion from wherever because of okey?
    Are the boats armed with effective weapons, or is it time to send everything to junk?
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 18 October 2020 10: 53
      +8
      Quote: rocket757
      The boats are armed with effective weapons

      Quite. Granite - it is granite in Africa
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 18 October 2020 11: 01
        +1
        I assume that the new weapons systems are intended for new ships / boats, if it was not developed specifically for modernization, re-equipment of ships released earlier. This is logical.
      2. poquello
        poquello 18 October 2020 12: 30
        +1
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        Quote: rocket757
        The boats are armed with effective weapons

        Quite. Granite - it is granite in Africa

        the bourgeois still do not have such missiles
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 18 October 2020 13: 36
          +2
          Quote: poquello
          the bourgeois still do not have such missiles

          This does not mean that this is what they cannot do.
          Powers are strong, in all respects ... they may have a different concept, no less effective.
          Sometimes we go in parallel, sometimes each one follows his own path.
          1. poquello
            poquello 18 October 2020 14: 24
            +1
            Quote: rocket757
            Quote: poquello
            the bourgeois still do not have such missiles

            This does not mean that this is what they cannot do.
            Powers are strong, in all respects ... they may have a different concept, no less effective.
            Sometimes we go in parallel, sometimes each one follows his own path.

            Well, they didn't do it! in my humble opinion, the American school of rocket engines continues to lose to ours, which is why they decided to jump over us on hypersound. What came out of this can be seen on the Zircon, which is already flying.
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 18 October 2020 15: 28
              +2
              At the moment, they are going to catch up ... there is a chance to catch up, at the expense of overtaking, the question is difficult. Our developers do not sit idle too.
              One thing is not in doubt, when they create a worthy model, they rivet them a lot and quickly .... although they have business inside the country, some strange things are happening !!! Fig knows how it will turn out finally.
              Probably not worth thinking ahead.
              1. Siberian54
                Siberian54 18 October 2020 21: 09
                +1
                After the elections, "some oddities" the police and the National Guard (ours correctly plagiarized this American brand) will quickly return everything to the "legal field" with gas, truncheons, rubber and real bullets. the worst states are under the control of the Democrats
                1. rocket757
                  rocket757 18 October 2020 21: 21
                  0
                  No, let's not guess. What can we know, understand, from the side of our sofas.
                  1. Siberian54
                    Siberian54 18 October 2020 21: 25
                    0
                    It's deeply purple to me what they will do there, I'm more worried that the tourists from the mine and Gras from vacation brought this nasty coronavirus and I'm from the risk group, unfortunately ...
                    1. rocket757
                      rocket757 18 October 2020 21: 40
                      0
                      Himself the same, and also look at their fellow citizens with surprise !!!
                      As the last time they live and do not care for all of them. At the same time, it is thorough and permanent.
                      Sho say, uh, lack of conscience and responsibility is the scourge of society as a whole.
          2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
            Andrei from Chelyabinsk 18 October 2020 16: 07
            +2
            Quote: rocket757
            This does not mean that this is what they cannot do.

            You are right in many respects, but the USA refused from the US LRASM supersonic version precisely because of the "high technological risks during creation."
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 18 October 2020 17: 03
              +3
              I just always remember which country opposes us and what they know how to achieve, when to push back .... they have resources, a technological and industrial base, they relaxed, became stoned after the well-known, tragic events for us, but this is not forever!
              This must always be remembered.
              They created a lot of interesting, serious, dangerous weapons for the enemy ... they can repeat them if they are pinned down!
              Moreover, they can do their own thing, in their own way, but no less effective and dangerous.
    2. cniza
      cniza 18 October 2020 12: 25
      +3
      Quote: rocket757
      "Tell me, dear count, am I right or wrong?" .... i.e. right are the experts of the "great sea power" or to wait for an expert opinion from wherever because of okey?
      Are the boats armed with effective weapons, or is it time to send everything to junk?


      Apparently the arsenal is quite impressive and the shelf life is not yet on the horizon, so they decided to leave what is, everything costs money and not small ...

      Greetings! hi
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 18 October 2020 12: 36
        +2
        Welcome soldier
        Modernization is a laborious, expensive and often time-consuming process. At the same time, it is not a fact that serious results can be achieved. The new technique, in which everything is geared towards the use of new weapons, will definitely be stronger!
        I once took part in the modernization of a ship that was not even put into operation .... it was dreary, I had to cut, alter, etc. on the go.
        1. cniza
          cniza 18 October 2020 12: 39
          +2
          And we in this area, how to put it mildly, decisions are made with delay, and implementation through rationalization projects ...
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 18 October 2020 12: 43
            +2
            Ships, often, take a long time to build, and designers design from what is, do not always focus on the manufacturers of equipment, weapons, means of control and intelligence. Alas, this is so and not only here, by the way.
            1. cniza
              cniza 18 October 2020 14: 19
              +1
              It is clear that not only here, and revision is underway during construction or during modernization ...
      2. poquello
        poquello 18 October 2020 14: 32
        0
        Quote: cniza
        Apparently the arsenal is quite impressive and the shelf life is not yet on the horizon, so they decided to leave what is, everything costs money and not small ...

        why not, imagine the reaction of the order attacked by 5 granites and 2 zircons
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 18 October 2020 15: 22
          +1
          The order is well guarded and will be able to defend itself or not, no one has checked it in real life, so we can only guess .... by the way, God forbid from real checks !!!
          Yes, the order can and will certainly answer! So sho is not so simple.
        2. cniza
          cniza 18 October 2020 15: 29
          -1
          Quote: poquello

          why not, imagine the reaction of the order attacked by 5 granites and 2 zircons


          And who said that granite is a bad weapon, I really like your version ...
    3. Kerensky
      Kerensky 18 October 2020 15: 22
      +2
      "Tell me, dear count, am I right or wrong?" ....

      Victor
      You're right. Picking a rocket out of a nuclear submarine mine is another operation! It's easier to pull and start a new one. Why didn't the Poles understand? Well, that's why they have their own cuckoo ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 18 October 2020 15: 38
        +2
        Welcome soldier
        I can only compare with the equipment of anti-aircraft systems, because on ships I was only engaged in reconnaissance and control equipment ... in anti-aircraft systems, with the advent of really NEW missiles, other equipment was also different. There was no case of just partial modernization of installations ...
        It is clear that missiles for various purposes are being created for standard, unified platforms, but all this is provided in advance, in the main project.
        The issue of dismantling and disposal is most often combined with the use of missiles for the purpose of training the crew, calculations! This is a common, normal practice in all armies of the world! Well, the Poles want to scoff, please the boss .... you can't call it smart.
        About modernization in the navy ... the topic is complex, it is worth discussing separately for specialists. Here I pass, not mine.
        1. Kerensky
          Kerensky 19 October 2020 10: 16
          0
          The issue of dismantling and disposal is most often combined with the use of missiles for the purpose of training the crew, calculations! This is a common, normal practice in all armies of the world!

          Victor
          What do we have off a goose? (FROM)
          If our nuclear submarines have fired, then the mines are empty. Consequently, they cram something new ... The simplest conclusion ...
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 19 October 2020 10: 52
            +1
            Quote: Kerensky
            .The simplest conclusion

            Only when the "new" was designed SPECIALLY for use in this complex!
            BUT, what's the point if the complex is "old"? After all, there is not only a launch container, a mine, there is a lot more that is required for effective, correct operation, use of a new rocket !!!
            I already wrote that it was necessary to change the "reconnaissance, control" system and this is not only antenna equipment but also a computer complex and much more, up to the power supply and cooling system. It is very dreary, time consuming and ..... you have ever seen how metal decks, bulkheads, etc. are cut through an almost finished ship. just to lower the new equipment into the lower compartments and install new air ducts !!!
            KOCHMAR and the date of completion of the object are receding like a fog.
            This is a product consisting of several separate blocks, how can you do by replacing these blocks ... and a single, indivisible modernization is always a problem.
            1. Kerensky
              Kerensky 19 October 2020 11: 02
              +1
              What's the point if the complex is "old"? After all, there is not only a launch container, a mine, there is a lot more

              Victor
              I've seen a lot. Retrieving the rocket "for a look" is still fun.
              I'm leading to what is easier to do, like his ... volley! Polish journalists did not understand ..
              Well, earlier our Academy was called Zhukov Air Defense.
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 19 October 2020 11: 33
                0
                There are no questions about this. Double benefit, simplified disposal plus calculation training.
  4. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 18 October 2020 10: 53
    +1
    So, there is a high probability that the modernization of Anteevs to version 949AM will remain an unfulfilled dream of the Navy.

    The article of the Poles, of course, is bad for the whole head - that "Eagle" was put on VTG, and not on modernization to AM, as it were generally known even to "sources" of the wiki level. But the sad thing is that the actual number of "Anteyas" upgraded to AM can be limited to 2 units.
    1. Eldorado
      Eldorado 18 October 2020 11: 04
      +3
      Andrey, I think it is better to invest in the construction of Ash and the modernization of 971 projects than to upgrade the Batons to the AM level, since the youngest Antey was commissioned in 1996.
      1. Alex777
        Alex777 18 October 2020 12: 26
        +1
        There was a talk about the construction of 2 Boreyevs with the CD.
        If they do, there will be the most correct decision.
        The loaves are still outdated for such a major rework.
        If they do 2 Batons, then, perhaps, there will be 2 + 2 cruisers with CR.
      2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 18 October 2020 14: 56
        0
        Quote: El Dorado
        Andrey, I think that it is better to invest in the construction of "Ash" and the modernization of 971 projects than to upgrade the "Batons" to the AM level

        The question is interesting, it would be nice to know the amount of costs for these upgrades in order to say something definite. But generally speaking, the modernization of 949A suggests itself - some of the ships do not serve for 30 years, so it would not be too good to throw them around
        1. Eldorado
          Eldorado 18 October 2020 16: 11
          0
          So no one is scattered about "Antaeus", they will serve until 2028, when all 11 "Ash" will enter service.
          Is there capacity for their modernization? Bryansk has been repaired at Nerpa for many years already, Tambov has been sticking out there since 2015.
          At "Zvezda" at the Pacific Fleet it is not at all clear what they are doing! Half of the representatives of 971 projects in the "repair" vegetate, to which the end and edge is not visible!
          1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
            Andrei from Chelyabinsk 18 October 2020 16: 25
            0
            Quote: El Dorado
            So no one is scattered about "Antaeus", they will serve until 2028, when all 11 "Ash" will enter service.

            There are only 9 of them without 949AM - not enough even for 2 divisions weakened
            Quote: El Dorado
            Is there capacity for their modernization?

            Well, 949s are being modernized not where 971. So just their modernization could revive ship repair a little.
      3. Nemchinov Vl
        Nemchinov Vl 22 October 2020 13: 12
        0
        Quote: El Dorado
        Andrey, I think it is better to invest in the construction of Ash and the modernization of 971 projects than to upgrade the Batons to the AM level, since the youngest Antey was commissioned in 1996.
        and perhaps even better, redesign the Borei to the level of SSGN (955K so to speak) and release 5-6 units (!) minimum... yes With such an outward resemblance to the 955A, imagine what kind of outfit of forces the probable enemy will have to allocate when receiving information about the Borey's going to sea ... belay go know what и with what (and where) goes to BS, this time ?! ..
    2. MinskFox
      MinskFox 18 October 2020 11: 18
      0
      Andrey, as a specialist, tell me, please, how many 949 are alive in the fleet now?
      1. PSih2097
        PSih2097 18 October 2020 11: 36
        +2
        really - 5 + two in the modernization to "AM" ...
      2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 18 October 2020 14: 53
        +2
        Quote: MinskFox
        Andrey as a specialist

        I'm not an expert, I'm an amateur :)))
        Quote: MinskFox
        How many 949 alive are there in the fleet now?

        Most certainly - 5 units. in service and 2 in modernization according to project 949AM. But there is still a question about Voronezh. There is an opinion that it was taken to reserve / utilization, because the newest 885M, which was laid down this year, was called "Voronezh". But then my grandmother said it in two, because one of the 949a was called "Severodvinsk", changed its name and still serves.
        1. Eldorado
          Eldorado 18 October 2020 16: 01
          +2
          "Voronezh" seems to be standing at the quay wall and is no longer on alert.
          The last time he shot out with Granite was in 2017.
          1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
            Andrei from Chelyabinsk 18 October 2020 16: 26
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            Quote: El Dorado
            The last time he shot out with Granite was in 2017.

            I do not know. On the dipstorm - yes, but it doesn't really indicate what the ship was doing in 2018-19
        2. MinskFox
          MinskFox 19 October 2020 00: 09
          0
          Thanks for the detailed answer)
  5. Alien From
    Alien From 18 October 2020 10: 54
    0
    How I hate those who touch our submariners !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  6. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 18 October 2020 11: 04
    +1
    The Russians again fired old P-700 Granit anti-ship missiles from under the water, not the new Caliber, Onyx and Zircon
    fool Old missiles need to be shot, new ones in Poland will come in handy, but they were tested in Syria.
  7. AshPoseidon
    AshPoseidon 18 October 2020 11: 12
    +1
    Everything in due time. This submarine was sharpened under the "Granite" with 4K-80 launchers. I would like them to be modernized. By 2021, they planned to upgrade 4 submarines of this type. But in the meantime, in 2020 in Severodvinsk, the modernization of the first of the nuclear-powered cruisers of project 1144 "Admiral Nakhimov" into project 11442M will be completed. The main weapon will be the 3C-14 universal launchers, which will allow 3 types of missiles to work at once: Onyx, Caliber and the promising hypersonic Zircon.
  8. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 18 October 2020 11: 17
    +3
    Not a day without criticism of Russia, its Armed Forces, weapons. Okay, they would criticize having their perfect, high-tech. And then having nothing but the desire to give part of the territory for American bases, and even paying extra for it with a clever air, they argue what kind of "old" in our country. And where do you tell the early release rockets to go? It is expensive to dispose of, so they shoot back, training to strike at a potential enemy, which includes Poland.
  9. rudolff
    rudolff 18 October 2020 11: 20
    +4
    Only the BDRM received new weapons. The modernization of the rest of the boats is actually not carried out or in a homeless version. At best, average repair, and even modest VTG.
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 18 October 2020 11: 38
      +1
      Quote: rudolff
      Only the BDRM received new weapons.

      which is "Liner" (modernized "Sineva")?
      1. rudolff
        rudolff 18 October 2020 11: 48
        +3
        First, Sineva, R-29 RMU2. Liner, R-29 RMU2.1 later. Under the Liner, it was no longer required to modernize anything especially, if only the KBSK was a little tricked.
        1. PSih2097
          PSih2097 18 October 2020 11: 51
          0
          Damn, "Sharks" sorry, well, who prevents them from being upgraded to "Sineva" / "Bulava", and even to calibrate (make from TRPKSN to TPLARK) it ... As the Americans did with their 4 "Ohio"
          1. Vall eremkin
            Vall eremkin 18 October 2020 12: 11
            +1
            Probably because they are too big and complicated. For repair and modernization of one, you can build 3 new ones.
            1. PSih2097
              PSih2097 18 October 2020 12: 14
              +2
              The Americans invested in 800 million (this is from SSBNs to SSGNs), then the R-000 is the largest rocket, instead of it you can shove any of the existing ones, Makeyevtsy practically brought the Bark to testing, if not for the collapse of the USSR ...
          2. rudolff
            rudolff 18 October 2020 12: 23
            +1
            It is not customary for us to do anything, it is accepted through another place. Sharks would make excellent carriers of deep-sea stations. Instead, they rebuilt the BDRM near Moscow, and this despite the fact that two more BDRs were running at the Pacific Fleet, and there was a plug with the Boreys because of Bulava. Akin to a crime. Well, Belgorod. Now they could have a brand new Antey even with Calibers, even with Onyxes, Zircons.
            1. PSih2097
              PSih2097 18 October 2020 14: 32
              +3
              Quote: rudolff
              It is not customary for us to do anything, it is accepted through another place.

              Here is not to take away, nor to take away ...
            2. PSih2097
              PSih2097 18 October 2020 19: 28
              +2
              Quote: rudolff
              Akin to a crime.

              each ... see the picture above ...
  10. comradChe
    comradChe 18 October 2020 11: 42
    -2
    The main thing is the correct reaction to such an article. The gentry is shitty and not smart: they would have poured oil into the ears of the "brothers" about the power of their submarine fleet, plunging the "age-old druzhbanov" into a lethargic sleep. But no, they focused on a serious flaw. To the great misfortune of modern Russia, the necessary reaction will NOT follow.
  11. Old26
    Old26 18 October 2020 11: 48
    +4
    Quote: Alien From
    How I hate those who touch our submariners !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Actually, if you read the original of this article, then there is not there for someone to touch "our submariners". The article expresses surprise that after the repair, the "Eagle" still has an old "main caliber". That's all.
  12. alex aircraft
    alex aircraft 18 October 2020 13: 10
    0
    And how does target designation happen? That 95rts and how long has 25ts gone from space?
    1. poquello
      poquello 18 October 2020 14: 35
      0
      Quote: alex aircraft
      And how does target designation happen? That 95rts and how long has 25ts gone from space?

      including
    2. PSih2097
      PSih2097 18 October 2020 18: 56
      0
      Quote: alex aircraft
      from space?

      "Liana" / "Lotus" ...
  13. Andrey Krasnoyarsky
    Andrey Krasnoyarsky 18 October 2020 13: 25
    0
    The Poles were outraged that the Russians were going to fire at them with outdated rockets.
  14. Zomanus
    Zomanus 18 October 2020 14: 04
    0
    Interestingly, are there many more of these missiles in storage?
    After all, they probably were removed from production. And as for the new rockets, there will be enough for them and surface ships.
  15. Tests
    Tests 18 October 2020 15: 21
    +2
    rudolff (rudolff): "It is not customary for us to do anything, it is accepted through another place. Excellent carriers of deep-water stations would have come out of the Sharks. with Borey there was a gag because of the Bulava. Akin to a crime. Well, Belgorod. Now they could have a brand new Antey, even with Caliber, even with Onyx, Zircon. " - BRAVO! I applaud while standing, neither subtract nor add! ..Although .., as almost nonsense, no one bothered to teach on the shore of "Anteya" to work with Caliber through the TA, no?
    1. rudolff
      rudolff 18 October 2020 15: 42
      +2
      Didn't interfere. To do this, it is necessary to integrate an appropriate firing complex into the ship during modernization. Saved. In fact, at the moment, neither Antei, nor Shchuk-B, nor Halibuts are able to use the RK Caliber. Indians have repaired their boats with us, with the modernization and integration of the complex. We are our own in the homeless version.
  16. K298rtm
    K298rtm 18 October 2020 18: 19
    -2
    1. What work was actually performed (will be performed) during the repair (modernization) of the 949s, the general public is not given (and it is not necessary). So on VO you can discuss assumptions.
    2. Suppose that a new GOS was installed on Granite (after all, it already exists for Onyx, Zircon, etc.). In this case, even such "advanced" systems as Aegis will find it very difficult to repel a massive anti-ship missile strike.
    3. When discussing the modernization of the 949s, one must understand that it is not enough to simply install new launchers for new missile launchers, a new data generation system, it is necessary to carry out work to bring the levels of the primary and secondary acoustic fields to the level of modern PLs (without this, the combat stability in the DMZ not provide due to stealth issues). Over the past quarter century, the systems and electronic warfare of our adversaries have advanced very far in a direction that is unfavorable for us.
    4. Since all the necessary work (see item 3) is extremely difficult and costly to perform, we have what we have.
    5. In my opinion, even in its present form, the 949s may well perform the tasks of "coastal defense battleships" for several more years.
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 18 October 2020 19: 02
      0
      Quote: K298rtm
      5. In my opinion, even in its present form, the 949s may well perform the tasks of "coastal defense battleships" for several more years.

      Granite / Volcano - without an external control center "there is nothing to talk about" ...
  17. wow
    wow 19 October 2020 12: 07
    -2
    And for you - that sho, lyaham, you will die anyway anyway!
  18. Koval Sergey
    Koval Sergey 19 October 2020 13: 12
    16
    We need to lay new boats. Nevertheless, Antaeus are yesterday, they are noisy.
  19. Sergey Eliseev
    Sergey Eliseev 19 October 2020 21: 50
    0
    I believe that the ammunition stock of one submarine "Antey" will be enough to sink the entire Polish fleet, and in addition it is high time for their three ports. And the Granite missiles are a formidable weapon even today.
    1. Constanty
      Constanty 20 October 2020 08: 52
      0
      Which fleet? laughing
  20. Constanty
    Constanty 20 October 2020 08: 50
    +1
    In this regard, we should be silent in Poland - after all, the last completely obsolete "prehistoric" missiles P-15U (in the export version P-20M) served in the Polish Navy until May 29, 2009.