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"Let's do without the MiG-29": in Bulgaria about the repair of fighters disrupted by Russia

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Bulgarian Prime Minister Boyko Borisov announced that his country is considering purchasing additional F-16 Block 70 fighters, the so-called F-16V, the latest modification of this aircraft.


Broken contracts and compensation


We are talking about eight aircraft that can enter the combat aviation along with a similar number of devices already paid for (purchased for $ 1,2 billion under a package agreement). As a result, this will create a full-fledged multipurpose squadron.

At the same time, according to information previously announced in the Bulgarian press, after the arrival of the first batch of F-16s of 8 units, Sofia intends to abandon operation and sell the MiG-29. Machines of this type are in a very poor technical condition, only a few of them are operational.

This is due, in particular, to the failure of the Russian company RSK MiG to fulfill the renovation contracts.

- write in the Bulgarian edition of the Bulgarian Military, indicating that literally on October 14, information appeared about the payment of RSK MiG to the Bulgarian side compensation in the amount of 185 thousand euros for the breakdown of a contract from 2018 worth 40 million euros, which provided for the repair of 8 out of 15 MiGs. 29.

Failure to comply with the agreement calls into question not only the ability of the Bulgarian military aviation to perform even simple tasks to protect their own airspace in peacetime, but also the ability to maintain the skills of pilots

- notes the publication.

At the same time, according to the authors, "there are many examples of inadequate performance of contracts by the Russian side, as well as [carrying out] poor-quality repairs." However, given the "long years of Russian influence and established dependencies," the executors of work on Soviet weapons were determined in Moscow.



Force on the side of the F-16


Although Bulgaria has long been a NATO member, our country continues to pay huge sums of money to Russia for the repair of old equipment.

- indicate to Bulgarian Military.

Against this background, the acquisition of the F-16 is assessed very positively. As the authors explain, the cost of acquiring this aircraft (about $ 35 million) and flight hour (about $ 12 thousand) is significantly lower than that of the MiG-29/35 ($ 55 million and $ 15.6 thousand, respectively). At the same time, the American fighter loses to the Russian only in one indicator - maneuverability.

If we had made this comparison 30-40 years ago during the Cold War, then the Russian fighter would have won [...] Currently, battles are fought at a distance

- concludes Bulgarian Military that it is possible to do without the MiG-29.
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  1. Alexey Sommer
    Alexey Sommer 18 October 2020 05: 37
    11
    As the authors explain, the cost of acquiring this car (about $ 35 million) and a flight hour (about $ 12 thousand)

    It is not very clear how this fits in with the information in the article that 8 Ф16 costs $ 1,2 Lard.
    It turns out 150 million units.
    1. Eugene-Eugene
      18 October 2020 05: 55
      +2
      Apparently, they invested 35 million in the price of only iron
    2. Avior
      Avior 18 October 2020 07: 33
      0
      As far as you can understand, we are talking about additional F-16s of the latest modification, now they are buying easier, therefore cheaper.
    3. Shuttle
      Shuttle 18 October 2020 09: 16
      +4
      Quote: Alexey Sommer
      As the authors explain, the cost of acquiring this car (about $ 35 million) and a flight hour (about $ 12 thousand)

      It is not very clear how this fits in with the information in the article that 8 Ф16 costs $ 1,2 Lard.
      It turns out 150 million units.

      There is an option that the engine can be offered separately as a consumable. By the way, avionics can also be separated in the offer price from the cost of the car. The options are different. Not to mention the various options for sighting and navigation equipment.
      As a bearded IT guy, I am very familiar with this approach. So the "brother" may well not lie about the available price offer, but simply not tell the whole truth. Typical trade and pressure on an old seller. If you don’t give a discount, I’ll take the entire infrastructure away from competitors.
      This is fought by quiet negotiations about the total cost of ownership for a certain period. But this is if the decision-making really depends on economic indicators, and not on predetermined political goals.
    4. Pashhenko Nikolay
      Pashhenko Nikolay 18 October 2020 09: 53
      0
      The cost of the contract included ammunition, including missiles, and maintenance equipment, and training, and even the construction of a plant to repair these fighters.
    5. Civil
      Civil 18 October 2020 11: 16
      +5
      On October 14, information appeared that RSK MiG had paid compensation to the Bulgarian side in the amount of 185 thousand euros

      Now Poles, now Ukrainians, now Bulgarians ... but effective managers in companies. Direct firms.
      1. Alexey from Perm
        Alexey from Perm 18 October 2020 22: 39
        +4
        I think these managers have names and surnames, I wonder what responsibility they incurred?
        Probably went up ...
    6. pytar
      pytar 18 October 2020 11: 24
      +5
      It is not very clear how this fits in with the information in the article that 8 Ф16 costs $ 1,2 Lard.
      It turns out 150 million units.

      The car itself costs $ 35 million. But besides her, a bunch of other elements are also provided for in the contract - 3D simulators, repair shops, stands / LTO will be performed at Bulgarian enterprises /, weapons, spare parts / I-rank /, pilot training, etc. The delivery of the next batch from consumers will already be at the price of the car itself and the total cost of the next contract will cost significantly less. hi
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 18 October 2020 17: 30
        -1
        Quote: pytar
        The car itself costs $ 35 million. But besides her, a bunch of other elements are also provided for in the contract - 3D simulators, repair shops, stands / LTO will be performed at Bulgarian enterprises /, weapons, spare parts / I-rank /, pilot training, etc. The delivery of the next batch from consumers will already be at the price of the car itself and the total cost of the next contract will cost significantly less.

        Can you share the info, what the author meant, what for specific cases:
        "There are many examples of inadequate execution of contracts by the Russian side, as well as [carrying out] poor-quality repairs."
        1. pytar
          pytar 19 October 2020 14: 18
          0
          Can you share the info that the author had in mind for specific cases: "There are many examples of inadequate execution of contracts by the Russian side, as well as [carrying out] poor-quality repairs."

          I cannot say exactly what cases the author of the article had in mind. I was not specifically interested. I personally know for one incident with the same MiG-29 since 2003. Then RSK MiG, too, did not complete the repairs on time, they argued over penalties, again the same things. hi
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    8. Omskgasmyas
      Omskgasmyas 19 October 2020 09: 19
      0
      Mathematics is a Moscow pseudoscience. You do not reflect, you spread.
  2. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 18 October 2020 05: 37
    -3
    «there are many examples of inadequate execution of contracts by the Russian side, as well as [carrying out] poor-quality repairs. "
    Business does not forgive this.
    So, in this case, the guys from KVN are right, they transmitted the classic:
    "God forbid you to see Russian service - so senseless and merciless! ..."
    1. Fungus
      Fungus 18 October 2020 05: 51
      -16 qualifying.
      Don't write nonsense
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 18 October 2020 06: 05
        -11 qualifying.
        Oops ... We're on you? I don't remember when we drank a hundred grams together.
      2. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 18 October 2020 06: 19
        19
        Quote: Fungus
        Don't write nonsense

        And in my opinion this is a missed deadline. Doesn't add respect to Russia. After all, maintenance of weapons is an integral part of the market.
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            1. Lara Croft
              Lara Croft 18 October 2020 07: 57
              +8
              Quote: Leader of the Redskins
              Well, for you not a siskin, but by name, patronymic, in a whisper, and better to yourself ...

              ..they beat and that's good ...
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          1. Lannan Shi
            Lannan Shi 18 October 2020 11: 16
            +1
            Quote: Shuttle
            So with "brothers" is not the same thing as with Assad, for example. Or with Eun. Because it was necessary to help the real fighters against the SGA,

            Oh, how ... Painfully familiar. True, I would like to remind you. Only these two fiery fighters have written off more than 25 yards of debt. In the USSR, the economy grunted, including due to the fact that "it was necessary to help real fighters." And the economy of the Russian Federation is not like a dead Soviet one.
            1. Shuttle
              Shuttle 19 October 2020 06: 00
              +5
              Quote: Lannan Shi

              Oh, how ... Painfully familiar. True, I would like to remind you. Only these two fiery fighters have written off more than 25 yards of debt. In the USSR, the economy grunted, including due to the fact that "it was necessary to help real fighters." And the economy of the Russian Federation is not like a dead Soviet one.

              25 yards of what? Rubles? Dollars?
              In the USSR, it was not the economy, first of all, but the ideology that grunted. We raised professional party members around our necks and stopped combing them. So they first turned into new bourgeois, then they introduced the so-called. self-sufficiency and other delights of capital construction. Those. again thrust the country into commodity relations.
              So your idea that the USSR collapsed because of aid to other countries is, as it were, untenable. Yes, they wrote off the debts because they could not be repaid. This is not an excuse for debt, but an explanation for the write-off. It is impossible to trade without such a stock.

              In addition, I would like to draw your tenacious glance to our other partners. Such as SGA, France, China. They pour in megatons of dollars, euros, and yuan beyond their borders. And they are not even going to claim them back. Because money is by and large a commodity for everyone except the state itself.
              1. Lannan Shi
                Lannan Shi 19 October 2020 08: 04
                -3
                Quote: Shuttle
                25 yards of what? Rubles? Dollars?

                Do you know what international settlements are used for? And at the same time you enter into discussions? Funny ....
                Quote: Shuttle
                It was not the economy that grunted the USSR first of all,

                This is how the economy grunted. If in 1980 the budget surplus was 8 billion, then in 1985 the deficit was 18. Not that much, only 110% of the spending on medicine. But the money had to be printed. Unsecured. Decrypt what does this mean at fixed prices?
                Quote: Shuttle
                then introduced the so-called. self-sufficiency and other delights of capital construction.

                This is already a consequence, not a cause. And the reason is trivial. There is no money and nowhere to take. But those "real fighters" owed 150 yards of dollars. Yet the dollars. If we add to this money also gratuitous aid, which only in Poland and Afghanistan exceeds 15 yards of dollars ... And even remember the costs of the war in Afghanistan, which for only one, albeit peak, 1987 in the region of 5-6 billion rubles were ... So .... We exchanged the USSR for African and other fighters from the United States. And if it had not been rolled off without counting, any savage who has learned to make less than 5 mistakes in the word socialism is far from the fact that the USSR would have collapsed.
                Quote: Shuttle
                Such as SGA, France, China. They pour in megatons of dollars, euros beyond their borders

                So information for. In terms of both the expenditure side of the budget and the revenue side, we are not even close to the USA or China. Yielding to the first 12-15 times, the second 9-12. And the closest to us in terms of income - Mexico, and expenses - Belgium, if they pour megatons of dollars somewhere, it is exclusively in someone's fevered imagination. Before you spend like Americans and Chinese, learn how to earn like them. Yeah.
                1. Shuttle
                  Shuttle 19 October 2020 12: 30
                  +1
                  Quote: Lannan Shi

                  Do you know what international settlements are used for? And at the same time you enter into discussions? Funny ....

                  The funny thing is that you never answered a direct and specific question. hi

                  Quote: Lannan Shi

                  This is how the economy grunted. If in 1980 the budget surplus was 8 billion, then in 1985 the deficit was 18. Not that much, only 110% of the spending on medicine. But the money had to be printed. Unsecured. Decrypt what does this mean at fixed prices?


                  Hold on to your head with both hands, otherwise, it is not even an hour ... - under socialism, i.e. the initial phase of communism, money as such does not exist in essence. Those. there is formally money called the form of accounting for labor contribution, but as a commodity there is no money.
                  With developed communism, there will be no money in form, by the way.
                  Decipher what this means in principle?

                  Quote: Lannan Shi

                  This is already a consequence, not a cause. And the reason is trivial. There is no money and nowhere to take. But those "real wrestlers" owed 150 yards of dollars.

                  How to understand you? That is 25 is not clear what, then 150 and already dollars. Please be consistent. Friday is one week, not seven.

                  Quote: Lannan Shi

                  And if it had not been rolled off without counting, any savage who has learned to make less than 5 mistakes in the word socialism is far from the fact that the USSR would have collapsed.

                  Of course, the distribution of gratuitous aid indiscriminately to any Mufasam did not add to the stability of the USSR - no one argues with this. But not always "after that" means "in consequence of that." To argue that aid to Poland or spending on the DRA destroyed the USSR can only be obedient to the point of obscenity. Once again I am writing to you - the USSR collapsed not because there was no money, but because money in the USSR became money again, excuse the tautology. This happened because of the first actual bourgeoisization of production. And then capitalism, which came in in the form of "effective business executives, owners" and other shushary, formalized its rights legally. It was just that this design did not fit into the USSR. Couldn't meet in principle. I had to exchange the USSR.


                  Quote: Lannan Shi

                  So information for. In terms of both the expenditure side of the budget and the revenue side, we are not even close to the USA or China. Yielding to the first 12-15 times, the second 9-12. And the closest to us in terms of income - Mexico, and expenses - Belgium, if they pour megatons of dollars somewhere, it is exclusively in someone's fevered imagination. Before you spend like Americans and Chinese, learn how to earn like them. Yeah.

                  Why are such thoughts always written with such low quality spelling and spelling?
                  Oh sure. We have just (from a historical point of view) the country was torn into 15 pieces. We are lucky - we live in the largest and richest of them. But this piece was built as part of a larger system. One might argue that 30 years have passed. And yes, you'd be right. But for comparison, the United States has never experienced a war on its territory yet. China remained on the path of building socialism. But as for France, I will ask the studio for calculations. And preferably reduced to GDP at PPP.

                  P / S - Do you still remember that the news was discussed here that Bulgaria, a NATO country for the last 16 years, complains that the Russian Federation is badly repairing its planes directed against whom? ...
                  1. Lannan Shi
                    Lannan Shi 19 October 2020 23: 29
                    +1
                    Quote: Shuttle
                    The funny thing is that you never answered a direct and specific question.

                    She answered. A bit vague. But .... I can and directly. To school. Learn the name of the world's reserve currency.
                    Quote: Shuttle
                    Those. there is formally money called the form of accounting for labor input, but as a commodity, there is no money.

                    Rave. Frank. No. If purely according to Marx - money is a special kind of commodity, then yes, then it was not. The only problem is that then they are not on planet Earth at all. Half a century like.
                    Quote: Shuttle
                    then 150 and already dollars. Please be consistent.

                    And the list of fiery fighters did not end with asadokims. That's a total cost of 150+ yards.
                    Quote: Shuttle
                    Once again I am writing to you - the USSR collapsed not because there was no money, but because money in the USSR became money again, sorry for the tautology

                    Money is not capitalist or socialist. This is just the equivalent of the cost. At least this feature of theirs is not denied by either the right, the left, or the gray-brown economists. The rest is from the evil one.
                    And spending 200-300 billion on fiery fighters (including loans and gratuitous aid) is not abstract slides of cut paper, but an estimate of the material resources exported from the USSR. Quite a decent amount, by the way. With a retail price for a Volkswagen golf, in England in 1980, from £ 1000, or $ 2200, this is 90-135 million of those same Volkswagens. Or, more simply, a Volkswagen for every family. And for delivery - to fill the trunks with jeans, sausage and chewing gum. And give it all away. Pancake. The Angolan army, at our expense, was supplied with German canned sausages, Spanish canned fish, Bulgarian vegetables and fruits, French powdered milk and sweets. Do you want to say that deposits of European products and clothes in shops of small towns in the non-black earth region would not contribute to an improvement in the social situation in the USSR? And that falling apart, with an abundance of food and other things, would be a little more difficult than with empty shelves?
                    Quote: Shuttle
                    Why are such thoughts always written with such low quality spelling and spelling?

                    Shashechki you or go?
                    Quote: Shuttle
                    P / S - Do you still remember that the news was discussed here that Bulgaria, a NATO country

                    It was you who began to grovel about the need to keep the fiery fighters of Asada and Yna.
        3. pytar
          pytar 18 October 2020 11: 45
          11
          And in my opinion this is a missed deadline. Doesn't add respect to Russia. After all, maintenance of weapons is an integral part of the market.

          Here, the image losses are serious, since when choosing the executor of AO RKS MiG, personally the premier of Bulgaria Borisov and the Minister of Defense Karakachanov lobbied the Russian company, hoping that no one could cope with the task better! On this occasion, there was a lot of criticism and doubts in the Bulgarian media, but it turns out that the premier and the minister were also discredited! For comparison, the contract for the repair of the Su-25 is similar to Belarusians performing at 5 + !!! hi
        4. boriz
          boriz 18 October 2020 15: 31
          +4
          It is worth remembering about compensation for the South Stream stupidly torn off by the "brothers".
          1. pytar
            pytar 18 October 2020 17: 14
            -4
            It is worth remembering about compensation for the South Stream stupidly torn off by the "brothers".

            Better not to remember, otherwise Gazprom will have to lose ~ 10% of its assets ... in the counterclaim of the European Commission and other EU countries. yes
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        5. Boris Chernikov
          Boris Chernikov 19 October 2020 09: 19
          +1
          you also need to know the opinion of the MiG .. I will not be surprised that the Bulgarians themselves nagged, and now they are singing about the "payments" about which the "source" reports
          1. pytar
            pytar 19 October 2020 16: 41
            +1
            you also need to know the opinion of the MiG .. I will not be surprised that the Bulgarians themselves nagged, and now they are singing about the "payments" about which the "source" reports

            In your opinion, Boris, "much more likely", so that you screw up, carrying a boiler for repairs than "master" not doing the job as promised! laughing
            But for me things are a little different bully :
            (BG-MO) -I gave you a ruble?
            (RSK MiG) -Give ...
            (BG-MO) - Sent for the kefir?
            (RSK MiG) -Sent ...
            (BG-MO) - Was there no kefir?
            (RSK MiG) -Did not have!
            (BG-MO) - Where's the money?
            (RSK MiG) -What kind of money?
            1. Boris Chernikov
              Boris Chernikov 19 October 2020 20: 44
              0
              laughing And what is with South Stream? Following the words of the Bulgarian "journalists", Russia is to blame for everything, and not from Sofia, so without a comprehensive study of the issue of faith, the Bulgarians do not have to lie and cheat, especially journalists are able to
              1. pytar
                pytar 19 October 2020 21: 40
                -1
                Keep in mind that Gazprom possesses not only huge financial resources, but also propagandistic ones. So from the Russian media you will not learn the truth. hi
                I have been working for 4 years in the UP from the Bulgarian side, I can say one thing - Gazprom and Ross. the political leadership made a strategic mistake by not accepting the proposal to the Bulgarian side to break the deadlock. Moreover, they made this mistake 2 times! Ours had the idea to bypass the 3EPR, transferring the land part of the UP, to a company not formally connected with Gazprom. Gazprom employees did not agree, at that time things were going badly for them, they were looking for how to get out of the project with the least image losses. And they pulled him to Turkey. The second time, ours proposed to twist the second branch of the TP, directly to the Bulgarian coast / Varna /, at the point where the UP was supposed to enter. VVP and Borisov had conversations, but VVP did not agree to Varna because of an eventual slowdown, but agreed to Burgas, it turns out 80-90 km closer. And in Burgas it was impossible, because there was an environmental problem with UP. No sooner agreed, the TP went senselessly in Turkey, next to our border, and then again to Bulgaria. In fact, the Bulgarian proposal for the UP was implemented, but with years of delay and with new risks, already from Turkey. The largest miscalculation of the Russian Federation! This happens when politics commands the business. Neither business nor politics succeeds! hi
                1. Boris Chernikov
                  Boris Chernikov 20 October 2020 13: 02
                  0
                  so your government is the sixth of the White House) .. about the "exit" is when Bulgaria publicly refused to build it? Or when they asked to build it again? or when they stopped building again?) It's very funny to read how they try to pass off the political weakness of Sofia as "genius" .. Funny)
                  1. pytar
                    pytar 20 October 2020 13: 44
                    0
                    so your government is the White House six) ..

                    And yours, whose six? Gazprom? The one with whom Rothschild has billions of shares? wink
                    about the "exit" is when Bulgaria publicly refused to build it?

                    You obviously live on the wrong planet! There was nothing like that in real life! Give a link to at least one official document confirming your words! Otherwise, you're lying! negative
                    Or when later they asked to build again? Or when they stopped building again?)

                    Coming up again? Stop what? I am spinning from the track of the "Balkan Stream". Nearby 5 km. passes. The work is in full swing!
                    It's very funny to read how they try to pass off Sofia's political weakness as a "genius" .. It's funny)

                    You have no idea how funny your improvisations look, on a topic that you obviously don't know anything about! laughing
                    1. Boris Chernikov
                      Boris Chernikov 20 October 2020 13: 52
                      0
                      Rothschild can have shares where he wants, but 50% + shares are held by the Russian government, so by the cashier, About the documents, you should look for them, And I'm not 3 years old and I remember how Sophia rode on her hind legs in front of Brussels and Washington serving them interests, then the nuclear power plant refused to build, then they began to stir up trouble with gas ... even now, after the Europeans exponentially threw you, you continue to curry favor and shoot yourself in the foot delaying the construction of the Turkish stream through its territory, which had to hint to the Kremlin that if you do not build in term, then in general there will be no more negotiations.

                      Most importantly, do not forget to believe that Sofia is an independent state, otherwise you suddenly realize that they have you ... it will completely get bad)
                      1. pytar
                        pytar 20 October 2020 15: 53
                        0
                        Rothschild can have shares wherever he wants, but 50% + shares in the Russian government

                        When Rothschild, somewhere has something, he has ...
                        About documents, you are in search of ...

                        I don’t need it, I have been working on a project on the Bulgarian side for 4 years. I have a closet in my office with documents in this regard.
                        I'm not 3 years old

                        And why then, children's reasoning ?! No offense, but you are not really aware of things on this topic! Don't believe me? Here's proof ...
                        Sofia ... then refused to build a nuclear power plant

                        In 2013, we held a referendum on the construction of a new NPP in Belene. The adherents failed to collect the majority. Parliament froze the project. In 2018, BAN published a scientific report proving the need for new power plants by 2030-40. The government has resumed the project. Tender in preparation, candidate Rossatom.
                        after you were thrown by the Europeans

                        Solidification without specifics and facts remains empty.
                        delaying the construction of the Turkish stream through its territory

                        We are building the Balkan Stream on our territory! Gazprom has no stake in it.
                        I had to hint to the Kremlin that if you don't build it on time, then there won't be any more negotiations.

                        The timing is determined by us, not the Kremlin. BP is part of our national gas transport network. It will be possible to transport gas through it from other suppliers.
                        Most importantly, do not forget to believe that Sofia is an independent state, otherwise you suddenly realize that they have you ... it will completely get bad)

                        There are no absolutely independent states in the world, as the GDP said correctly. There are some kind of urya-partiots who are stuck in heroic poses and believers in "Gazprom is a nation-wide property."
                      2. Boris Chernikov
                        Boris Chernikov 20 October 2020 16: 23
                        0
                        that is why you are used ... because thinking is not yours ... or do you really think that the "referendum" went just like that with the "necessary" results? By the way, it was very touching that later you tried to sell unpaid equipment to third countries without even asking permission from RosAtom ... this story amused everyone) .. For me, it's a mistake to do business with Bulgaria, since it does not know how to do independent politics ... I wonder when the Americans will threaten with sanctions if they do not start building nuclear power plants in Bulgaria ... what excuses will be?)
                      3. pytar
                        pytar 20 October 2020 16: 38
                        0
                        because thinking is not yours

                        Boris, I see how smart you are! Communicate with such a genius, not every day succeeds! yes
                        or do you really think that the "referendum" was held just like that with the "necessary" results

                        I really think so, I was in the commissions. We have no problem with authenticity as they are conducted under competitive supervision.
                        By the way, it was very touching that then you tried to sell unpaid equipment to third countries without even asking permission from Rosatom ... this story amused everyone

                        Interestingly, in what resource did you read this nonsense? Of the important equipment, only turbines are made. They were made in the Czech Republic. After the payment of penalties, they became 100% Bulgarian property. In the moment they are saved at the site of the Belene NPP. No permission, no one needed. There was a request from Bulgaria to Rossat, for sales through it, for his other clients.
                        For me, it's a mistake to do business with Bulgaria ...

                        I suppose you have never managed a large company or any important government structure in your life.
                        when the Americans start to threaten with sanctions if they don't start building a nuclear power plant in Bulgaria ..

                        Left hit again, Boris! The United States will build the 7-unit Kozloduy NPP. At Belene NPP, they are partners with Rossat. And there is a possibility that we will switch to a new model of mobile mini-reactors when they are certified. At the moment we are considering just such a proposal from the United States.
                      4. Boris Chernikov
                        Boris Chernikov 20 October 2020 16: 40
                        0
                        laughing yeah, "partners" .. you do not forget to believe the main thing ...
                      5. pytar
                        pytar 20 October 2020 18: 44
                        0
                        yeah, "partners" .. you do not forget to believe the main thing ...

                        Rossatom will participate either as the main contractor or as a subcontractor to the winning company. There are 4 of them / SASCH, China, France, South Korea / + Rossatom. And what will you call their relationship, it makes no difference to me. bully
  • Pashhenko Nikolay
    Pashhenko Nikolay 18 October 2020 09: 56
    +8
    Nonsense or not nonsense, but who will buy the new MIG-35 if we repair the old ones like this?
    1. Grits
      Grits 18 October 2020 11: 17
      +6
      Quote: Pashhenko Nikolay
      Nonsense or not nonsense, but who will buy the new MIG-35 if we repair the old ones like this?

      Nobody will. It looks like there won't be a plane either. Therefore, "Mig" behaves so briskly.
    2. Bagatur
      Bagatur 18 October 2020 15: 19
      +2
      Nobody! Will buy a MiG 35 if the Russian Aerospace Forces did not buy it ... not very reasonable.
  • figwam
    figwam 18 October 2020 08: 41
    26
    Quote: Leader of the Redskins
    Business does not forgive this.

    ))) And what can you say about South Stream, which was supposed to pass through Bulgaria with which an intergovernmental agreement was signed, but the Bulgarians once again betrayed us. And our debt payment is red.
    1. da Vinci
      da Vinci 18 October 2020 09: 44
      +8
      Well, why so "betrayed". Perhaps "they sawed off the branch on which they were sitting." Or maybe not. In any case, this is their business. I do not think that the Turks have done anything for the good of the Russian Federation: there have already been statements about the termination of the purchase of Russian gas, and that the Turks have found huge deposits of gas. This is politics and business in one bottle. For very many reasons, a new CMEA or the Warsaw Pact will not appear very soon. And the managers of the Russian Federation (Miller and company) are very far from the leadership of the USSR, which during the Cold War managed to "break through" the gas and oil pipelines to the west, which are still successfully used today.
      1. figwam
        figwam 18 October 2020 10: 20
        +5
        Quote: da Vinci
        In any case, this is their business.

        Whether or not NATO aircraft will be used against us is repaired is our business.
        1. da Vinci
          da Vinci 18 October 2020 10: 52
          +7
          Well, the c400 was sold to NATO countries, or what? Money doesn't smell.
          1. Victorio
            Victorio 18 October 2020 14: 26
            +3
            Quote: da Vinci
            Well, the c400 was sold to NATO countries, or what? Money doesn't smell.

            ===
            ) sold something sold, there was probably a reason. but spare parts and repairs are still in question
            1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
              Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 18 October 2020 15: 28
              -3
              Quote: Victorio
              sold something sold, there was a reason, probably. but spare parts and repairs are still in question

              Look how. Have you read the contract?
              1. Victorio
                Victorio 18 October 2020 15: 30
                +2
                Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                Quote: Victorio
                sold something sold, there was a reason, probably. but spare parts and repairs are still in question

                Look how. Have you read the contract?

                ===
                I'm not, like you, too, my post and the irony in it
          2. figwam
            figwam 18 October 2020 16: 30
            0
            Quote: da Vinci
            Well, the c400 was sold to NATO countries, or what?

            S-400 defensive weapons cannot threaten our country in any way.
            1. da Vinci
              da Vinci 18 October 2020 22: 00
              +5
              Everything in the world is relative: and a fence board can become an offensive weapon. Or the S400 can protect a tactical missile launcher, or a base of attack aircraft (drones) and much more.
    2. Pashhenko Nikolay
      Pashhenko Nikolay 18 October 2020 10: 01
      -2
      Well, after the breakdown of the deal, they began to be treated as unreliable partners. Why do we need such authority?
      1. figwam
        figwam 18 October 2020 10: 29
        14
        Quote: Pashhenko Nikolay
        Well, after the breakdown of the deal, they began to be treated as unreliable partners.

        France thwarted the Mistral deal, the United States did not let us buy Opel, and now the West has refused to supply materials and components for the MS-21 and feel good, because there are other interests besides business,
        Quote: Pashhenko Nikolay
        Why do we need such authority?

        Assistance in restoring NATO combat readiness at this time should be ruled out.
        1. Pashhenko Nikolay
          Pashhenko Nikolay 18 October 2020 10: 49
          +5
          Then it was just necessary not to undertake repairs.
          1. da Vinci
            da Vinci 18 October 2020 10: 53
            +7
            Well, Duc the manager did not pay the penalty out of his own pocket.
            1. figwam
              figwam 18 October 2020 11: 01
              +6
              Quote: da Vinci
              Then it was just necessary not to undertake repairs.

              They also did not have to agree to participate in the South Stream. The same in the same place.
              1. Cherry Nine
                Cherry Nine 19 October 2020 00: 05
                +1
                Quote: figvam
                They also did not have to agree to participate in the South Stream.

                You are absolutely right.
    3. pytar
      pytar 18 October 2020 11: 50
      -4
      And what can you say about the South Stream, which was supposed to pass through Bulgaria with which an intergovernmental agreement was signed, but the Bulgarians once again betrayed us. And our debt payment is red.

      The question is not for me, but let me remind you of what Putin said? Look for the video, there is on this occasion! By ego words "Russia leaves the project because of the non-constructive position of the European Commission and the European Union"! What "betrayal"You say, did you see one agreement that Bulgaria violated? An intergovernmental dispute is a frame, a road to common work! All the specifics in the agreements, and Bulgaria did not violate them!"
      1. figwam
        figwam 18 October 2020 17: 20
        +3
        Quote: pytar
        Russia withdraws from the project due to the non-constructive position of the European Commission and the European Union "

        First, Bulgaria signed an agreement with Russia and gave her word that the branch would be built, and then they remembered that they are deep in the EU and the word Bulgaria means nothing. "Good" business partner.
        1. pytar
          pytar 18 October 2020 20: 04
          -4
          Quote: figvam
          First, Bulgaria signed an agreement with Russia and gave her word that the branch would be built, and then they remembered that they are deep in the EU and the word Bulgaria means nothing. "Good" business partner.

          Did you come up with this yourself? laughing
    4. Bagatur
      Bagatur 18 October 2020 15: 28
      -1
      This mantra is already tired! There are things you don’t know: 1. Gazprom wanted to push the UP bypassing the EU, they don’t think that there is such a thing as energy package 3., 2. After "Krim, ours!" The EU imposed sanctions on the Russian Federation, Bulgaria is part of the EU, not the VD and CEV. 3. The Italian company ENNI, which is the founding contractor of Gazprom for the construction of UP, refused to participate after the EU sanctions. It is very convenient to bring everything down on the Bulgarian head, and the super-managers of Gazprom and tovarish Putin are white and fluffy! Here is the Turkish Stream and complete dependence on Sultan Erdogan ...
    5. Filxnumx
      Filxnumx 18 October 2020 16: 35
      0
      [/ quote] but the Bulgarians once again have us [/ quote]
      And how much did the brothers compensate us?
      1. pytar
        pytar 18 October 2020 17: 21
        0
        And how much did the brothers compensate us?

        On counterclaims of the EC and the EU, Gazprom would have lost 10% of its assets. Therefore, prudently decided not to show off ... yes Besides, you are clearly not aware that the UP company was 50% BG + 50% RF! Like it is necessary to pay the same compensation mutually?!? request
  • The Word of the Word
    The Word of the Word 18 October 2020 11: 27
    +9
    It seems that this whole story with the contract is connected not with the Russian service, but not with the licensed repair of the Bulgarian MiG-29, which was previously carried out by the Poles with the Ukrainians. It is visible to fix the Polish-Ukrainian jambs with repairs and counterfeit spare parts. parts are more expensive than the amount under the contract.
    It is too early to judge the situation according to the statement of one of the parties.
    https://diana-mihailova.livejournal.com/16411.html
  • pytar
    pytar 18 October 2020 11: 40
    +2
    Business does not forgive this. So, in this case, the guys from KVN are right, they transmitted the classic:
    "God forbid you to see Russian service - so senseless and merciless! ..."

    According to insider information from the Bulgarian MO, the problem arose with the change of some elements provided for change in the terms of reference for the contract! OA RSK MiG began work, but suddenly !!! belay found that they were not in his warehouses! Either they are no longer produced, or they were not found in cash at home. The Mikoyanites offered to replace them with others, but at a price significantly higher than in the contract! The customer agreed, but did not accept paying 3 times more, motivating that the rise in price was not due to the ego of the wine and he was not obliged to pay extra for the contractor's inconsistencies, because this does not happen through the customer's fault!
    In addition, there were problems with changing the wheels and ejection seats, these are the main security systems! The customer indicated them as key elements of the repair, they had to be completely changed! hi
    We can only guess what a mess is going on in the OA RSK MiG, if they cannot cope with the quality of the repair of the aircraft, which they themselves produced and are still producing! No.
    1. akarfoxhound
      akarfoxhound 18 October 2020 16: 48
      +5
      Unfortunately yes! In Russia now it is difficult / technical production is managed by "xpenznaetkto" - all sorts of effective managers from the humanities, professionals, whether at least railway workers, even though aviators and others are removed from their places, because they dare to object that "piece of iron", despite the clumsy the options for the hobby of an approximate manager will not work, physics has not been canceled. But how can one explain this to a humanist confusion?
      1. pytar
        pytar 18 October 2020 17: 12
        +1
        I understand, if for civilian life, but after all, in enterprises that produce military products, it should not be like that! Damn, if you don’t repair the catapult stick or chariot, as expected, tomorrow someone will be killed! 25 tons of very expensive metal from the sky will collapse on someone's head!
        1. akarfoxhound
          akarfoxhound 18 October 2020 17: 54
          +3
          You understand this, I understand how any other adequate student who studied normally, but we regularly encounter the opposite. And including me. At first he took it for an accident, then I realized - a new system. They destroyed everything that worked well technically with an explanation - it was Soviet, but they couldn't come up with their own "working" before that (the destroyers were from a cohort of slogan balabols, not engineers). And the saddest thing is that the old engineering and educational school is being destroyed, this is the root cause of all the above questions.
  • Terenin
    Terenin 18 October 2020 14: 41
    +4
    Quote: Leader of the Redskins
    "God forbid you to see Russian service - so senseless and merciless! ..."

    In other countries, you will also be licked from head to toe. They will simply be ready to fulfill all your dreams. If only you could buy a thing you absolutely do not need for only half the price of 200 bucks, when the price on a red day is only 20 at the market.
    Those. there they lick you only in order to, in essence, deceive. Make you pay a lot more. Only for the service, yes.
  • AshPoseidon
    AshPoseidon 18 October 2020 06: 15
    +7
    Quote: Alexey Sommer
    As the authors explain, the cost of acquiring this car (about $ 35 million) and a flight hour (about $ 12 thousand)

    It is not very clear how this fits in with the information in the article that 8 Ф16 costs $ 1,2 Lard.
    It turns out 150 million units.

    More precisely, 157 million dollars for one F-16 Block 70/72 with a complex of weapons
    1. Keyser soze
      Keyser soze 18 October 2020 07: 03
      23
      More precisely, 157 million dollars for one F-16 Block 70/72 with a complex of weapons


      I recently wrote an article about the Bulgarian project F16 ... I wanted to publish it, but the VO administration said that my Russian is bad ... well, you can't be cute by force. Here is a text about the cost of the project, I apologize for being long, but took it from my article:

      In August 2019, Bulgaria bought 8 F 16 fighters from the United States and because this was the first purchase, the entire $ 1,24 billion soum was paid immediately. The following potential arms purchases from the United States may be deferred.
      The cost of this purchase includes - F 16 fighters, weapons for them, training of 12-16 pilots, instructors and 65-75 mechanics in Shtachy, infrastructure restructuring necessary for the transition from MiG 29 to F 16. Equipment to support F 16 in the country. Full support and repair of fighters for 5 years, upgrades and modifications of fighter software, backup engines for aircraft (2 pieces), two simulators for pilots. One set of equipment for the aerodrome of the front deployment F 16.


      Purchased weapons for F 16:
       AIM-120C-7
       AIM-9X
       Helmet target designation systems JHMCS II
       Target design, hanging containers AN / AAQ-33 Sniper ATP
       Free falling bombs Mk. 82
       Kits for converting ammunition into ultra-precise GBU-49 Enhanced Paveway II
       GBU-54 Laser JDAM
       Small-caliber guided ammunition GBU-39
       Training bombs and ammunition

      On many resources in Bulgaria and here on VO, I often met calculations that happily announce that the cost of the Bulgarian F 16 is more than the F 35, but if you read the contract carefully, you can see that the amount of 1,24 billion dollars includes a bunch of buns, so only the military knows the real cost.

      Let's look at one component that goes into the contract price - pilot training for fighters. The training will last 3 years and 4 months and is a complete training course for F 16 pilots.

      Training began at US Air Force Base Lekland, San Antonio, Texas - specialized training in English language and terminology. The training will then be carried out at training centers for flight training, under the command of the US Air Education and Training Command.
      The pilots will complete a full course on the T-6 Teksan, then transfer to the T-38 Talon before flying to the F 16. All the pilots are young guys who are now starting their career in the Bulgarian Air Force.

      While training, pilots will be able to transfer their families to US bases where they are trained, where they will be provided with housing and will receive a salary of 63 792 dollars per year (according to American standards and rates for pilots) plus a monthly pilot remuneration of the Bulgarian Air Force, plus 432 dollars a month if his wife moves to the pilot and $ 216 a month for each child in the pilot's family (all this is paid by the Bulgarian Defense Ministry). The pilot receives an additional $ 1 per year for health insurance and up to $ 647 per year for each student in an American school. Plus, the Defense Department of Bulgaria also covers tickets for flights to Bulgaria, twice a year, for the whole family.
      I don’t have the numbers for training the engineering staff, but I assume that they are similar. As you can see, there are expenses and even considerable ones.
      1. URAL72
        URAL72 18 October 2020 08: 02
        19
        Your Russian is not so bad. But the same mistake is constantly encountered. You need to write "this", not "this". The article interested me. If possible, please throw it off in a personal. Another tip - download a world with Russian support, let it give you hints.
      2. Pavlos Melas
        Pavlos Melas 18 October 2020 08: 24
        +1
        Of course, it's not enough to have only 16 aircraft, but it's better than not having at all.
        1. Keyser soze
          Keyser soze 18 October 2020 08: 31
          +1
          Of course, it's not enough to have only 16 aircraft, but it's better than not having at all.


          I agree Pavlos, but I guess this is just the beginning. And nobody canceled 14 Mig 29. In this year, a contract with Israel for 7 pieces of 3D radars (two close range and 5 far), two corvettes for the Navy, modernization of T72 (probably again with Israel), 150 infantry fighting vehicles for the Ground Forces are finalized, we produce the drones ourselves (again with Israel) small and medium range, reconnaissance and so on. Our military has great potential. But now they thought of raising defense spending. In 2018, they spent only 1,27% a year, and now they are in second place in NATO in terms of spending. So we will build up the power of the army. The world is an unsafe place.
          1. Pavlos Melas
            Pavlos Melas 18 October 2020 09: 12
            +1
            The only thing that we need to consider is that the enemy is in the east and not in the north for us and not in the south for you. I'm afraid they will not repeat historical mistakes and phantom pains will not let you down hi
            1. Keyser soze
              Keyser soze 18 October 2020 09: 19
              +1
              The only thing that we need to consider is that the enemy is in the east and not in the north for us and not in the south for you. I'm afraid they will not repeat historical mistakes and phantom pains will not let you down


              Well ... I wanted to write the same thing yesterday. I hope that times are different and open borders have changed a lot in our worldview. I have been vacationing in Greece for 15 years and I have many friends there. I think that Bulgaria, Serbia and Greece have nothing to share and it is only necessary to integrate economically and militarily.
              1. Simargl
                Simargl 18 October 2020 10: 46
                +1
                Quote: Keyser Soze
                I think that Bulgaria, Serbia and Greece have nothing to share, but it is only necessary to integrate economically and militarily.
                The main thing is that the integration is not by military means ...
                1. Pavlos Melas
                  Pavlos Melas 18 October 2020 13: 03
                  +5
                  Quote: Simargl
                  Quote: Keyser Soze
                  I think that Bulgaria, Serbia and Greece have nothing to share, but it is only necessary to integrate economically and militarily.
                  The main thing is that the integration is not by military means ...

                  I think we have already hit each other's noses and our mind has been added. The status quo between Greece and Bulgaria has been established for more than half a century. On the one hand, young people are not going to "liberate" Solun, and on the other hand, no one is eager to "liberate" Filippupol wink
                  1. Simargl
                    Simargl 18 October 2020 13: 22
                    0
                    Quote: Pavlos Melas
                    I think we have already hit each other's noses and our mind has been added.
                    It would be good. But how long does it take to pour gasoline and throw a match?
                    1. pytar
                      pytar 18 October 2020 14: 55
                      +1
                      Quote: Simargl
                      It would be good. But how long does it take to pour gasoline and throw a match?

                      The likelihood of a conflict between Bulgaria and Greece = 0! 13 years, as there is no border between both countries! What to argue about, what to fight about? A Greek can do everything in Bulgaria that he has the right to do in Greece, a Bulgarian can do everything in Greece that he has the right to do in Bulgaria! EU is one poly-economic space! There have been significant changes in the perceptions of the citizens of these countries! Having been at enmity for centuries, now no one looks at another as an enemy! In my opinion, apart from all other benefits, the main advantage of EU membership is the removal of the potential for conflict, the emergence of common goals and objectives! hi
                      1. major147
                        major147 19 October 2020 17: 24
                        +1
                        Quote: pytar
                        The likelihood of a conflict between Bulgaria and Greece = 0!

                        Blessed is he who believes! (C)
                        The USSR seemed unshakable, there were no borders between the republics, whoever wanted to live and worked there. Now many republics are looking at each other through sights. So is the former Yugoslavia. "Nothing lasts forever under the moon" (c)
                      2. pytar
                        pytar 19 October 2020 20: 46
                        0
                        The USSR seemed unshakable, there were no borders between the republics, whoever wanted to live and worked there. Now many republics are looking at each other through sights. So is the former Yugoslavia. "Nothing is eternal under the Moon"

                        Fine. Somewhere there is integration, somewhere disintegration. The centers of gravity are changing. Nothing lasts forever, as you rightly pointed out. As for Bulgaria and Greece, they have strong common interests outside the EU.
                      3. major147
                        major147 19 October 2020 20: 58
                        0
                        Quote: pytar
                        As for Bulgaria and Greece, they have strong common interests outside the EU.

                        Well, God forbid!
                        Nothing lasts forever, as you rightly pointed out

                        It's not me, it's Shakespeare ...
                      4. pytar
                        pytar 19 October 2020 21: 42
                        0
                        Shakespeare ... yeah ... over there in my library. yes
              2. Pavlos Melas
                Pavlos Melas 18 October 2020 16: 16
                +2
                Quote: Simargl
                Quote: Pavlos Melas
                I think we have already hit each other's noses and our mind has been added.
                It would be good. But how long does it take to pour gasoline and throw a match?

                I will not hide that if you look for stress points you can find, about Greece, I can say that our Napoleons are sitting in ward number 6. laughing
      3. akarfoxhound
        akarfoxhound 18 October 2020 17: 09
        +1
        The only thing that you had to take into account was that if you had not climbed into NATO and the whole collective farm had not crawled to the east, you would not have had an enemy "unexpectedly" in the east in the form of Russia. No? Is the logic suddenly not working here? request
        1. Pavlos Melas
          Pavlos Melas 18 October 2020 18: 09
          -1
          Quote: akarfoxhound
          The only thing that you had to take into account was that if you had not climbed into NATO and the whole collective farm had not crawled to the east, you would not have had an enemy "unexpectedly" in the east in the form of Russia. No? Is the logic suddenly not working here? request

          Minus mine to you with all my heart fellow ... These are the slogans of leavened patriots. By the way, the cries of the collective west are at least blasphemous and here, alas, one EGE will not justify itself.
    2. major147
      major147 18 October 2020 09: 17
      +5
      Quote: Keyser Soze
      So we will build up the power of the army. The world is an unsafe place.

      I am ashamed to ask, with whom are you going to fight?
      1. Keyser soze
        Keyser soze 18 October 2020 09: 30
        +2
        I am ashamed to ask, with whom are you going to fight?


        Kommersant ... Major .... we are not going to fight. I didn't write that. But we have a neighbor whose roof has been completely blown away, so we need to strengthen and renew the army.
        1. major147
          major147 18 October 2020 09: 32
          +1
          Quote: Keyser Soze
          Kommersant ... Major .... we are not going to fight.

          Si vis pacem, bellum for
      2. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 18 October 2020 13: 20
        +2
        Quote: major147
        with whom are you going to fight?

        Well, they have a violent neighbor on the floor below. yes
      3. Bagatur
        Bagatur 18 October 2020 15: 50
        -1
        And who will Russia fight with? It seems that if Bulgaria is not governed by Moscow, it has no right to life?
        1. major147
          major147 18 October 2020 15: 58
          +4
          Quote: bagatura
          And with whom will Russia fight?

          With the one who attacks and their accomplices. As usual.
        2. akarfoxhound
          akarfoxhound 18 October 2020 17: 18
          +1
          And the right to life, and free, is exclusively from Washington, right? Still wondering, well, to restore sclerosis, how many Soviet military bases were there in Bulgaria at the Department of Internal Affairs? And the US bases at NATO in the house, of course, do not count! This is for the world, we are organizing wars around the planet, and not someone's striped masters ?! That's right! How could we not have guessed! wassat
          1. komuso
            komuso 18 October 2020 18: 33
            0
            Quote: akarfoxhound
            And the right to life, and free, is exclusively from Washington, right? Still wondering, well, to restore sclerosis, how many Soviet military bases were there in Bulgaria at the Department of Internal Affairs? And the US bases at NATO in the house, of course, do not count! This is for the world, we are organizing wars around the planet, and not someone's striped masters ?! That's right! How could we not have guessed! wassat
          2. Bagatur
            Bagatur 18 October 2020 18: 52
            -3
            The whole of Bulgaria was then in a good position. Our communes are de facto colonial administration of the USSR.
            1. akarfoxhound
              akarfoxhound 19 October 2020 20: 04
              -1
              And now the US colonial administration! smile
              Nice castling done! good before that they breathed freely under the Turks, after under the Germans, then under the "soviets", now under the "mattresses"!
              Have you tried to live with your own head?
              1. Bagatur
                Bagatur 20 October 2020 11: 09
                +1
                A question for everyone's opinion! But there is one difference. In 1944-45, the USSR set its own system on Eastern Europe, "liberated" but forgot to go home. The fact that now is our selection, good or bad will show time!
  • common man
    common man 18 October 2020 10: 23
    -3
    Quote: Keyser Soze
    While training, pilots will be able to transfer their families to US bases where they are trained, where they will be provided with housing and will receive a salary of 63 792 dollars per year (according to American standards and rates for pilots) plus a monthly pilot's remuneration of the Bulgarian Air Force, plus 432 dollars a month if his wife moves to the pilot and $ 216 a month for each child in the pilot's family (all this is paid by the Bulgarian Defense Ministry). The pilot receives an additional $ 1 per year for medical insurance and up to $ 647 per year for each student in an American school.

    Considering that during the training all pilots, technicians and members of their families will become ardent preachers of "American democracy", and they will be brainwashed, there is no doubt, and all this for the money of the Bulgarian taxpayers, I applaud the Americans standing up. I would also include in the contract the residence of the trainees 'mistresses, trainees' wives, friends and classmates of their children. With the payment of grants and scholarships to them, also from the budget of Bulgaria.
    PS Considering that they will spend all this money again in the states ...
    1. pytar
      pytar 18 October 2020 12: 02
      0
      Considering that during the training all pilots, technicians and members of their families will become ardent preachers of "American democracy", and they will be brainwashed, there is no doubt, and all this for the money of the Bulgarian taxpayers, I applaud the Americans standing ...

      Andrei hi let's make an analogy with the automotive industry! In Russia, many Western car companies sell their cars! There are dealerships, there are authorized car services! Often the staff conducts training in the countries of manufacture! And what happened from this terrible thing? request Nothing! Normal practice, normal working principle! bully
      1. nedgen
        nedgen 18 October 2020 23: 26
        +1
        Boyane, Andrey is absolutely RIGHT. The analogy with the staff who works and studied before in the country of the manufacturer is ABSOLUTELY INCORRECT. There is a VERY big difference between civilian personnel and people who, God forbid, will have to defend their homeland. And Andrey is absolutely right that in the end we will not get Bulgarian but American patriots at the controls of BULGARIAN aircraft. all the more so when these pilots return home and begin to receive pennies for their honestly very risky work, which country will they become patriots? Especially if their wives start nagging at their heads what kind of harash life was there and how bad it is here in Bulgaria? Americans are very good at brainwashing. Unfortunately, this cannot be taken away from them.
        1. pytar
          pytar 18 October 2020 23: 31
          -1
          I cannot agree with your theses. For one simple reason! Our military, pilots, paratroopers, sailors, historically, have been trained in many countries! And they always defended the Motherland, even when, by the will of fate, they had to fight against their teachers!
          1. nedgen
            nedgen 18 October 2020 23: 37
            +4
            Yes Boyane you are right, but as you yourself indicated IN HISTORICAL terms. Now is a different time and it is not easy to find patriots among ordinary schoolchildren. And do not give me an example of celebrations at Shipka, etc. It is one thing to go out with the flag in hand, and quite another to go out with a machine gun in hand to defend the homeland. Today, when there is not even military service, patriotism is almost an offensive word and the national idea (well, at least declared by the government and the so-called elite) to enter the euro zone, i.e. final loss of independence what kind of patriotism are you talking about? Moreover, the dream of almost any schoolchild will get a job abroad. And why go far, Look at how purposefully the Bulgarian language is being destroyed. Unfortunately I live abroad you will not believe it, but my friends and I speak cleaner Bulgarian than in the media. I even get angry when I hear PURE Bulgarian words are replaced by English ones and are used unnecessarily.
            1. pytar
              pytar 19 October 2020 08: 56
              -1
              We have what we have. But I am an optimist, because I constantly communicate with young people, including those who study abroad, and I see that they are a talented, capable, smart generation! There is already a reverse tendency upon returning home. This process will be silivatsya, according to the mayor, the deterioration of the situation in the West. As for "defending the homeland with a machine gun", we have bad human resources and demography. They're talking about the restoration of compulsory military service, we'll see ... But it is imperative, it is necessary to increase funds for re-equipment, to acquire the most modern! We see how robots for military purposes are used more and more actively and efficiently! In place of the crowds going to cheeks, UAVs come, etc.! 21 century! And about Anglicism, you are right, but it is so all over the world. Nothing fatal, it always happened. Moreover, a Bulgarian always remains a Bulgarian. Our gene, healthy, strong, resistant to impact! hi
              1. Boris Chernikov
                Boris Chernikov 19 October 2020 09: 21
                -2
                why do you need an army in the sultanate?
              2. nedgen
                nedgen 19 October 2020 21: 16
                +1
                Honestly, I would very much like that what you are talking about became true. Especially about the military service. But I VERY doubt about new developments. And I am absolutely sure what will buy at inflated prices. In addition, I have a friend who at one time developed a drone. It was in the early 2000s. NONE of the authorities who have had any interest in its development. He did everything with his own money and he did not have enough 20 euros to finish the work, And the Ministry of Defense was not interested at all, although his system assumed 000 drones with a catapult for 5 leva, and the German luna system with 100 drones cost 000 million. Euro. They were interested in the military academy, but they wanted to see the system in action, but as if there was not enough money even for the autopilot, and the sponsors wanted to take all the profits and they wanted to transfer my friend to the salary, and then only after the start of sales. And everything is FALLING OUT. Such are the pies. I also remember very well the story about the purchase of 3 American BRDM-s for the battalion in Afghanistan and how much they cost ...
                1. pytar
                  pytar 19 October 2020 21: 55
                  0
                  Honestly, I would very much like that what you are talking about became true. Especially about the military service.

                  We will see! If they started to raise the topic of compulsory military service, then they think about the question!
                  But I VERY doubt about new developments. And I am absolutely sure what will buy at inflated prices.

                  Yes, they already do something. It seems from Lockheid, I don't remember exactly, but there is a clear understanding of the role of drones and robotics in MO. And what does "overpriced" mean? Nobody sells good cars cheap!
                  In addition, I have a friend who at one time developed a drone.

                  Yes, I understand what this is about. I myself have worked with something similar, with the same result.
                  It was in the early 2000s. NONE of the authorities who have had any interest in its development.

                  Then the time was like that. We've ruined many things ourselves. I then decided to offer my development for civilian use. And those in power were even frightened, because a machine would prevent them from stealing! Who needs this ?!
                  1. nedgen
                    nedgen 20 October 2020 00: 14
                    0
                    So I already gave an example of overpriced. Purchase of 4 armored vehicles of the BRDM type from the United States at 1 million dollars apiece of which, in addition, had to be re-equipped. If it's not overpriced, then I don't know what to call it. (And this despite the fact that in fact the BRDM-2 could do with replacing engines, night vision devices and retracting additional wheels. As well as Kevlar lining and walkie-talkies. It would have cost 30-60000 for a car. And spent a million without taking into account rearmament. The same applies to the notorious deal about the F-16. The Poles have a package deal on the F-35 much cheaper in terms of the car, and this is despite the fact that the cost of the car itself is over 100 million. .Americans invest 0 fucking point laughing Etc.
                  2. pytar
                    pytar 20 October 2020 09: 04
                    0
                    1 million for children, norms Modernization of the BRDM-2 in this form will cost much more than 60 thousand. By the way, Belarusians have a cool project for brdm-ki, and even adopted it. With the Polish F35, the situation is not entirely clear. It must be borne in mind that the larger the quantity, the lower the price, but the initial investment is always much more expensive. I know about SAAB, the offer was very tempting! They offered 10 for a price of 8, including the know-how, but with Lockheid there is also such a moment. With Flu, there are other problems. Dviglo by am. licenses, and weapons cannot be bought directly. Most of Gripen's is American. In addition, when acquiring weapons, there are always political considerations. We have had positive bargaining for many years. balance with the USA. And the purchase of the F16 gives Borisov some trump cards in upholding the Balkan stream. The same is true with the project for the purchase of 7-power units at Kozloduy and new mini-reactors.
                  3. nedgen
                    nedgen 20 October 2020 23: 52
                    0
                    As for the price of 1 million for a car of the BRDM-2 class, it may be normal now. but 10-15 years ago it was at least 1,5-2 times more expensive than the real one. The explanation given by the government was that the cars would be delivered immediately, in fact they were delivered in six months. As for the modernization of the BRDM, I'm not sure which is more expensive. Somewhere I came across information that the Russian military-industrial complex is doing such a modernization of the BRDM-2, plus the replacement of the suspension with a suspension from the BTR-80, which increases the width of the number and the price was exactly around 60 green pieces of paper. This of course does not include the replacement of night vision devices and the price of the machine itself. But then we still had to have BRDM-000, and if not, then in the first place they could buy used cars in Belarus for 2-30 thousand and 50 BRDM cost with only 50 km of run, and secondly, they could upgrade the BRDM at the plant " Khan Krum ". And everything would have cost not 000 million, but less than 1500. But then there would be nothing to warm your hands on. As for the political component, I absolutely agree, but we are not sure that at least 4% of the Bulgarian interests are taken into account in this component.
                  4. pytar
                    pytar 21 October 2020 09: 17
                    0
                    As for the price of 1 million for a car of the BRDM-2 class, it may be normal now. but 10-15 years ago it was at least 1,5-2 times more expensive than the real one.

                    If we are talking about Komando, in 2014 they cost ~ $ 1,5 million. Which is comparable to similar samples.
                    As for the modernization of the BRDM, I'm not sure which is more expensive.

                    Depends on the level of modernization. We had 12 (+60 in reserve) BRDM -2. Minimal modernization such as overhead armor, bulletproof glass, diesel, etc. about 600 thousand. lv. Moreover, it loses its buoyancy, and the increase in combat qualities is not so high.
                    One of the latest Belarusian variants is interesting, but it is essentially a new car. Belarusian BRDMs are used by riot police to disperse rallies, which is not very suitable for real bd.
                    As for corruption, it is a fact, it is our old problem.
                  5. nedgen
                    nedgen 21 October 2020 21: 07
                    0
                    Excuse me che pitam ama otkde tazi the price is from 600 leva for changing the engine, additional armor and maybe bi transmissions? Assuming and crumpled to the radio station and fix the vidane for the night? In Russia, it was converted and then completely on the BRDM-000 into a private car from dismantling to the dome, dismantling to add the wheel, dirty on the page, turn on the periscope, crumpled on the engine from diesel to mercedeses and automatic high-speed cutting on the dirt and on the armor salon with true leather - the price is low from 2 40 dollars?
                  6. pytar
                    pytar 21 October 2020 22: 28
                    0
                    Nyakde chetokh, what is the interpretation of the Belarusian modernization. Write in Russian, that you are crumpled for a violation and maybe we will get a ban. The modernization of a combat vehicle into a combat vehicle cannot be compared to civilian alterations. I know, I've seen very funny ones. With military equipment, it is much more difficult and costly, otherwise the performance increase will not be achieved.
  • nedgen
    nedgen 18 October 2020 23: 19
    -2
    Yes, as I expected, we will not get the best. Now, if I'm not mistaken, the AIM-120D is in service. In addition, it is not clear why the hell is it necessary to start training on the Screw Texan? That we will send untrained pilot candidates there? Even if these are young guys, they are unlikely to be taken out of candidates for a military school. In addition, somewhere I came across a figure that training one fighter pilot to the 2nd or 3rd class costs 1 million green papers. If it's even 2-3 million, how did this figure grow to 1.2 billion? And I am still absolutely sure that the F-16 is much less suitable for protecting the air border than even our old MiG-23. After all, the F-16 is FIRST of all a BOMBER fighter. From the very beginning, his destructive capabilities were overshadowed by the drums. Yes, the newest (well, not the newest but one of the newest) modifications of the F-16 surpass the MiG-29 of the first models. But not the same price.
  • Kot_Kuzya
    Kot_Kuzya 18 October 2020 06: 27
    +6
    And it seems to me that the plans to repair the Bulgarian MiG-29s were deliberately thwarted so that the "brothers" had nothing to fly. Let the "brothers" climb even more into bondage, buying American fighters for 150 million pieces lol .
    1. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 18 October 2020 07: 59
      +3
      Quote: Kot_Kuzya
      Let the "brothers" climb even more into bondage, buying American fighters for 150 million pieces lol .

      РћРґРЅРѕР · РЅР ° С ‡ РЅРѕ ....
    2. Pavlos Melas
      Pavlos Melas 18 October 2020 08: 21
      +3
      Quote: Kot_Kuzya
      And it seems to me that the plans to repair the Bulgarian MiG-29s were deliberately thwarted so that the "brothers" had nothing to fly. Let the "brothers" climb even more into bondage, buying American fighters for 150 million pieces lol .

      What is the benefit of Russia that Bulgaria becomes dependent on the United States? Probably those who broke the contract were guided by the phrase: "to spite my grandmother, I will frostbite ears"?
      1. Boris Chernikov
        Boris Chernikov 19 October 2020 09: 21
        0
        in any case, they voiced and bought already the first batch of the 16s
    3. major147
      major147 18 October 2020 09: 19
      +3
      Quote: Kot_Kuzya
      And it seems to me that the plans to repair the Bulgarian MiG-29s were deliberately thwarted so that the "brothers" had nothing to fly. Let the "brothers" climb even more into bondage, buying American fighters for 150 million pieces lol .

      I have not seen official explanations from the Russian side on the fact of "contract failure", and without this all judgments are one-sided.
      1. pytar
        pytar 18 October 2020 12: 05
        -3
        Quote: major147
        I have not seen official explanations from the Russian side on the fact of "contract failure", and without this all judgments are one-sided.

        It is difficult to explain elementary carelessness and negligence! In such cases, it is really better to remain silent. Failure to fulfill the contract is clearly so indisputable that AO RSK MiG is prudently silent ... yes
        1. major147
          major147 18 October 2020 15: 55
          0
          Quote: pytar
          elementary carelessness and negligence

          Was it from Moscow that they officially confessed to "carelessness and negligence" or did you come up with it yourself?
          1. pytar
            pytar 18 October 2020 17: 08
            0
            It was from Moscow that they officially admitted to "carelessness and negligence" ...

            Ha!!! Amazing thought! Such things are not accepted ...
            ... or did you come up with it yourself?

            Explanations for info, gave another comment on the branch. The reason for the non-fulfillment of the contract is indicated in the terms. The chatter can give a definition according to his choice.
            1. major147
              major147 18 October 2020 18: 22
              0
              Quote: pytar
              Explanations for info, gave another comment on the branch.

              "According to insider information from the Bulgarian MO" in Russian it will be "One Babka Said".
              I will be satisfied with the official message of the performer.
              1. pytar
                pytar 18 October 2020 20: 17
                0
                "According to insider information from the Bulgarian MO" in Russian it will be "One Babka Said".

                Not a woman, but a serious uncle from MO. yes
                I will be satisfied with the official message of the performer.

                And he, in spite, is silent! Strange, isn't it? Usually, if something goes wrong, they raise a fuss to the ceiling of the MiG ... And they are silent, like a deaf dog in the bushes! laughing
                1. major147
                  major147 18 October 2020 22: 23
                  +3
                  Quote: pytar
                  silent, like a deaf dog in the bushes!

                  Do you think under the American umbrella, then you can express insults? Americans, they are such allies, if anything, they promise to pray as for Armenia ...
                  1. pytar
                    pytar 18 October 2020 23: 29
                    -3
                    Where did you see the insult? belay Don't be so sensitive, we're men! drinks
      2. Vladimir61
        Vladimir61 18 October 2020 12: 42
        +1
        Quote: major147
        I have not seen official explanations from the Russian side on the fact of "contract failure", and without this all judgments are one-sided.
        Everything is!
        MOSCOW, October 16. / TASS /. The Russian side will not service the Bulgarian MiG-29 fighters if Bulgaria concludes an agreement with Poland to service these aircraft. This was announced by the General Director of JSC RSK MiG Sergei Korotkov, - "If the Bulgarian side signs an agreement with Poland on the repair of RD-33 engines installed on MiGs, we will have no choice but to refuse to support and maintain technical operation of MiG-29 aircraft of the Bulgarian Air Force ".
        Earlier, the Bulgarian government approved the signing of an intergovernmental agreement with Poland on the repair of Russian MiG-29 aircraft.

        Even, there is a continuation of the theme

        According to the Bulgarian Defense Minister Krasimir Karakachanov, the Ukrainian side has filed a complaint with the Commission for the Protection of Competition against the agreement of the Bulgarian military with the Russian aircraft building corporation MiG on the repair of 15 aircraft.
        At the same time, Ukroboronprom has neither a license to carry out the work necessary for Bulgaria to maintain aircraft, nor the ability to perform them.
        Karakachanov called what was happening an attempt to sabotage the decision of the Ministry of Defense to negotiate directly with RSK MiG, adding that the delay in the deal to repair the MiG-29 would “paralyze” the Bulgarian military aviation.

        Well, the Minister of Defense Karakachanov himself, after this statement, was fired! So who is to blame for breaking the contract?
        1. pytar
          pytar 18 October 2020 13: 13
          -4
          MOSCOW, October 16. / TASS /. The Russian side will not service the Bulgarian MiG-29 fighters if Bulgaria concludes an agreement with Poland for servicing these aircraft. ... "In the event that the Bulgarian side signs an agreement with Poland on the repair of the RD-33 engines installed on MiGs, we will have no choice but to refuse to support and maintain the technical operation of the MiG-29 aircraft of the Bulgarian Air Force."

          Dmitry, did you not notice that your link is dated from 2015? And this is on a completely different contract, which has nothing to do with the discussed here! This is about a new contract, which JSC MiG signed. And the contracts should be fulfilled, you must agree!
          According to the Minister of Defense of Bulgaria Krasimir Karakachanov, the Ukrainian side filed a complaint with the Commission for the Protection of Competition against the agreement of the Bulgarian military with the Russian aircraft-building corporation MiG on the repair of 15 aircraft ...

          Info since 2017. It is a fact that KPC rejected Ukroboronprom's complaint and did not sign any contract with it.
          Well, the Minister of Defense Karakachanov himself, after this statement, was fired! So who is to blame for breaking the contract?

          This is already in the realm of fantasy! MO Karakachanov, as the Minister of Defense was, is still the case. yes
          So who is to blame for breaking the contract? request
          1. Vladimir61
            Vladimir61 19 October 2020 03: 23
            +3
            I don't follow the politicians in Bulgaria so much that I remember everyone and not make mistakes. We could have corrected it - not Karakachanov, but Nikolai Nenchev (who was replaced by Karachanov).
            A new framework agreement was signed only in March 2018 and provides for the repair of 15 MIGs until 2022. Today is 2020, there are no repair schedules in the media! Why spawn. You and South Stream threw not only us, but yourself as well - won, did we file a claim against you?
            1. pytar
              pytar 19 October 2020 09: 08
              0
              Could have corrected, - not Karakachanov, but Nikolai Nenchev

              Nenchev, yes! The ego was removed after the scandals.
              A new framework agreement was signed only in March 2018 and provides for the repair of 15 MIGs until 2022. Today is 2020, there are no repair schedules in the media! Why spawn.

              Naturally, the details will not be disclosed, this is a military contract! But ALREADY there is a fact - the payment of penalties, from the side of JSC MiG! Which in itself indicates a violation of obligations under the agreement by the Mikoyanites!
              You and South Stream threw not only us, but yourself as well - won, did we file a claim against you?

              This is according to Gazprom's rus-media. In real life, the situation is somewhat different! The old lads, the Russian oligarchy and its Bulgarian relatives, were going to bypass European legislation! Not a ride! UP joint project fifty-fifty! Who owes whom penalties ?! There is no violation of contracts with the Bulgarian side! If Gazprom had at least a minimal basis, believe me - they would immediately use it! At the Belene NPP, we paid half a million euros in penalties to Rossatom!
        2. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 18 October 2020 23: 05
          +1
          Quote: Vladimir61
          This was announced by Sergei Korotkov, Director General of RAC MiG

          There, since 2016, Tarasenko has been the CEO, from the Skolkovo School of Management.
          Quote: Vladimir61
          Well, the Minister of Defense Karakachanov himself, after this statement, was fired!

          And where did you get this?
  • Alien From
    Alien From 18 October 2020 06: 29
    +7
    We flew, flew, so we flew ... now everything for the money of my brother ... b
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 18 October 2020 06: 35
    10
    the acquisition of the F-16 is very positive ... (acquired for $ 1,2 billion under a package agreement)
    Bulgaria is a "rich" country, and Americans are friends too, so of course only American. I wonder if someone was imposing Russian on them? No, therefore the Bulgarian side should not tie the delay in repairs to the purchase of American aircraft. And who's stopping you from completing your South Stream branch? It is also high time for us to impose penalties on the Bulgarian side.
    1. pytar
      pytar 18 October 2020 12: 13
      -3
      Bulgaria is a "rich" country, and Americans are friends too, so of course only American.

      GDP in 2019 of $ 63 billion is a historical record for the country. External debts are minimal - the country is on the 2nd place in the lowest indebtedness in the EU. Gold and foreign exchange reserves are $ 23-24 billion, 2,5 times more than that of Azerbaijan, and 3 times more than that of Belarus. Bulgarians live no worse, if not better, than citizens of the richest country in resources in the world ... So, Bulgaria is not really poor, but as we say, it is a country with the largest share of hidden income in the EU .. ... laughing
      I wonder if someone was imposing Russian on them?

      By recalculation of actual values, the MiG-29, which Bulgaria bought from the USSR in the 80s, almost equal the price of the F-16v70 today.
      And who's stopping you from completing your South Stream branch?

      It is under construction, work does not stop.





      It is also high time for us to impose penalties on the Bulgarian side.

      Ha ha ha lol And on what basis? Are you a treaty country?
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  • Old partisan
    Old partisan 18 October 2020 06: 54
    16
    Bulgarians as such are not even conditionally friends.
    At any opportunity, they sell it, no matter to whom, to Turks, Romanians, German Nazis, Americans.
    The gliders of the 29th have already outlived theirs, and the engines even more so.
    Let them buy from overseas owners.
  • askort154
    askort154 18 October 2020 06: 55
    27
    write in the Bulgarian edition of the Bulgarian Military, indicating that literally on October 14 there was information about the payment of RSK MiG to the Bulgarian side compensation in the amount of 185 thousand euros for the breakdown of a contract from 2018 worth 40 million euros, which provided for the repair of 8 out of 15 MiG-29 ...

    They cast a shadow over the fence. The repair of the "Bulgarian" MiG-29s was done by Ukraine. The Bulgarians were not satisfied with the quality of the repairs and in December they turned to Russia. An agreement was signed with "MiG" for the repair of 15 aircraft. And here Ukraine jumped in advance and filed a complaint with the Competition Protection Commission. Now the Bulgarians are forced to withdraw from the contract with Russia. The article is politicized with distortion of facts, exposing Russia in a negative way.
    1. Keyser soze
      Keyser soze 18 October 2020 07: 13
      +3
      They cast a shadow over the fence. The repair of the "Bulgarian" MiG-29s was done by Ukraine.


      Ukraine has never been involved in the repair of Bulgarian Mig 29s. Yes, they wanted to, but they participated in tenders, but did not win them, because they could not prove that they could and had the right to carry out repairs. If you have proof of the repair of the Bulgarian Mig in Ukraine, please go to the studio.

      From 2008 to the present day Bulgaria has paid RSK Mig about 140 million dollars for the repair of Mig 29. These are the facts. By the way, Mig will also remain in service in the Bulgarian Air Force until at least 2027-29. And all this time RSK Mig will receive money from us.
      1. Pechkin
        Pechkin 18 October 2020 07: 39
        +3
        Well, in principle, if Bulgaria needs a more modern LPI. With one engine in order to reduce operating costs, there is not much choice - JAS 39E / F Gripen or F-16 Viper. So the choice is quite logical.
        1. Igor Berg
          Igor Berg 18 October 2020 08: 53
          -5
          F-16 Fighting Falcon
          1. Pechkin
            Pechkin 18 October 2020 09: 06
            0
            The latest modifications of the F-16V Block 70/72 Viper are so called that is why I wrote so that it was clear what I mean.
        2. stoqn477
          stoqn477 18 October 2020 09: 17
          0
          JAS 39E / F Gripen Bulgaria was not offered. C / D versions only.
          1. Pechkin
            Pechkin 18 October 2020 09: 24
            +2
            Then all the more, the choice is correct.
        3. pytar
          pytar 18 October 2020 12: 21
          -2
          Well, in principle, if Bulgaria needs a more modern LPI. With one engine in order to reduce operating costs, there is not much choice - JAS 39E / F Gripen or F-16 Viper. So the choice is quite logical.

          I wonder why Russia has not yet developed similarly light single-engine fighter aircraft, but stubbornly but unsuccessfully tries to promote the MiG-35, which is a fancy, weighted version of the MiG-29? Yes, even on the basis of the Yak130, it was possible to do something suitable for the markets! Here is China by example! hi
          1. Pechkin
            Pechkin 18 October 2020 12: 53
            +4
            I agree, instead of wasting time and money on the MiG35, which even your army does not need to be seen on orders. It would be better if the MiG Design Bureau instructed them to develop a light MFI with one engine based on the AL-41F1, for example. For unification with Sukhoi aircraft. it is now a trend to develop a radar with afar, otherwise the aircraft will be difficult to sell. Suspended sighting system. Then in this segment we will be able to offer something competitive. If we had Su it is heavy and Mig is light and everyone does his own business.
            1. pytar
              pytar 18 October 2020 13: 18
              +5
              In short, if you want to be successful in export, you need to monitor market requirements and respond appropriately! And probably there are developments that can be useful and used, so that the desired product appears in a relatively short period! I have no doubts about the abilities of Russian aircraft designers! good
              1. atalef
                atalef 19 October 2020 05: 07
                0
                Quote: pytar
                it is necessary to monitor market requirements and respond appropriately!

                the Bulgarian army is completely abandoning Soviet weapons and is switching to NATO standards and Western weapons, selling off old stocks for clean.
                An acquaintance of mine takes part in projects for the re-equipment of the Bulgarian army - almost everything is being altered. In 3-4 years this will be a completely different, modernly equipped and high-tech army. Oddly enough, Bulgaria has money and they understand. that Soviet junk is a waste of money.
                1. pytar
                  pytar 19 October 2020 09: 24
                  -1
                  It is undoubtedly necessary to renew, modernize the army! I sat on a hungry ration for a long time! The situation in the world and the region is deteriorating! I think we need to increase spending on the army urgently! Fortunately, there is money, that's right! Ross. propaganda presents Bulgaria as a poor, impoverished country, and the essence of our treasury is full! I recently, in connection with the war in Karabakh, was surprised to learn that Bulgaria has a GDP of $ 64 billion (74th place in the world), and Azerbaijan has $ 45 billion (84th place)! Bulgaria's foreign exchange reserves are 2,5 times larger than this country rich in oil and gas! We know from personal experience that you cannot endlessly repair an old car! Repair is getting more expensive, but the effect is getting less and less! So it is with military equipment! hi
          2. Victorio
            Victorio 18 October 2020 14: 53
            -4
            Quote: pytar
            I wonder why Russia has not yet developed similarly light single-engine fighter aircraft, but stubbornly but unsuccessfully tries to promote the MiG-35, which is a fancy, weighted version of the MiG-29? Yes, even on the basis of the Yak130, it was possible to do something suitable for the markets! Here is China by example!

            ===
            and how long do they still have to live with a single engine, a dead-end direction !? 10-20 years old!
            1. Pechkin
              Pechkin 18 October 2020 16: 30
              0
              Well, yes, a dead end direction. Aviation industry is on the way of increasing the number of engines. All the newest airliners have gone from four engines to six, for example the Boeing 787 Dreamliner, the F-35 with three engines, or I'm confusing something.
              1. Victorio
                Victorio 18 October 2020 16: 50
                -2
                Quote: Pechkin
                The aircraft industry is following the path of increasing the number of engines.

                ===
                I wrote this, dead-end - single-engine
              2. vadimtt
                vadimtt 19 October 2020 09: 46
                0
                Irony is not recognized by bots, you are trying in vain laughing
        4. Boris Chernikov
          Boris Chernikov 19 October 2020 09: 24
          0
          this is before the first crashed side .. then the "savings" comes out sideways
      2. Vladimir Mashkov
        Vladimir Mashkov 18 October 2020 09: 43
        +3
        Eugene
        It was, it was! I don’t remember exactly what and how, but I remember what they wrote about the Ukrainian "repair", when the ukrominators played a little trick, put used spare parts and painted them. There was a scandal after which the Bulgarian AUTHORITIES turned to Russia.
        I believe that the non-fulfillment of the contract by Russia was influenced both by the speeches of the Bulgarian Russophobes, the pouring paint on monuments, the reaction of the Bulgarian authorities to this, and the delay in the construction of the gas pipeline. As they say - alaverdi!
        1. Pete mitchell
          Pete mitchell 18 October 2020 09: 57
          +4
          Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
          I believe that Russia's failure to fulfill the contract was influenced by how ....!

          With the amount of contracts for the repair of aircraft, the amount of the fine of 185 pieces is simply ridiculous, so everything seems to me easier: Russian is bad, amerovskoe is good, let's buy something else from amers - processing public opinion. Although nothing else is to be expected
        2. Keyser soze
          Keyser soze 18 October 2020 10: 51
          0
          Eugene
          It was, it was! I don't remember exactly what and how, but I remember ...


          Well, you give Vladimir ... laughing

          There's no such thing. You are confused with the repair of Croatian Mig 21s in Ukraine. But I don't know the details either - there was some kind of scandal with the Croats.
      3. askort154
        askort154 18 October 2020 11: 29
        +1
        Keyser Soze.Ukraine has never been involved in the repair of the Bulgarian Mig 29s. Yes, they wanted to, but they participated in tenders, but did not win them, because they could not prove that they could and had the right to carry out repairs. If you have proof of the repair of the Bulgarian Mig in Ukraine, please go to the studio.

        At the official level - NO! Ukraine was engaged in "black repair". I dismantled my huge fleet of MiG-21, left over from the USSR, into "spare parts" and in the form of "Lego": engines, radio equipment, parts of the fuselage, etc., supplied and implemented in the form of "repair" in - Croatia, Serbia, Romania, Bulgaria - taking payment from them for the "repair". The Croats were the first to "prochuhali", then the Serbs, and they refused such "Ukrainian repairs", loudly calling it a mild epithet - "poor quality repairs." Bulgaria decided to directly conclude an agreement with the "MiG Corporation". But Ukraine intervened, and she succumbed to her blackmail, exposing a "penalty" to Russia.
        And in the normal world situation, no one would support Ukraine's "biting apples". But! There is a country today that is interested in changing the aircraft fleet left over from the USSR in the former "Warsaw Union". And this is not a small market for the US military-industrial complex. Here they are in every possible way, and squeeze out the remnants of Soviet technology, making room for their military-industrial complex.
        But more important for them is the military component of this topic, but that's another topic. yes hi
        1. Keyser soze
          Keyser soze 18 October 2020 11: 41
          0
          At the official level - NO!


          We have no unofficial one. laughing

          Ukraine was engaged in "black repair". Disassembled
          its huge fleet of MiG-21, left over from the USSR, for "spare parts" and in the form of "Lego"
          (engines, radio equipment, parts of the fuselage, etc.) supplied to Croatia, Serbia, Romania, Bulgaria - taking payment from them for the "repair".


          This is a Croatian case, not a Bulgarian one. We ourselves had a cloud of Mig 21 and we sold them to India and Cambodia and to museums. The last flight of the MiG 21 we had in 2000 ... laughing
          1. askort154
            askort154 18 October 2020 12: 14
            0
            Keyser Soze ... We have no unofficial.......
            ......This is a Croatian case, not a Bulgarian one. We ourselves had a cloud of Mig 21 and we sold them to India and Cambodia and to museums. The last flight of the MiG 21 we had in 2000 ..

            I didn't understand your idea. Decipher if possible. And it turns out like - "mixed in a heap, horses people." The conversation in the article is not about the number of MiG - 21, left "here and there", inherited from the USSR. Talk about repairing it.
            Who has the right and opportunities to do this today? And who has such opportunities. Aircraft repair (not to be confused with the current form of maintenance, where even engine replacement is not considered a "repair") is a complete disassembly of the entire aircraft, with fault detection of all its constituent parts and assemblies.
            And Ukraine was engaged in the replacement of parts, both the airframe and the units, throwing them over from its large "collapsible fleet". This is elementary - "donation", not repair. This is an interstate corruption scheme. hi
            1. Keyser soze
              Keyser soze 18 October 2020 12: 43
              +1
              I didn't understand your idea. Decipher if possible.

              The conversation in the article is not about the number of MiG - 21, left "here and there", inherited from the USSR. Talk about repairing it.


              We don't have MiG 21. And we haven't since 2000. hi
              1. askort154
                askort154 18 October 2020 12: 54
                0
                Soze .....We don't have MiG 21. And we haven't since 2000.

                Thanks ! I understood my "mistake" crying But the meaning of my "conclusion" on the topic of the article does not change from this. The conversation, of course, is about the MiG-29! hi
                1. Keyser soze
                  Keyser soze 18 October 2020 13: 02
                  0
                  The conversation, of course, is about the MiG-29!


                  Ascort ... we have no repairs in Ukraine. We are not Ethiopia - everything goes through tenders and they are often protesting (I do not know if this is the word) in court. As the Ukrainians did, but the Bulgarian court sent them home.

                  And you and others put me in a situation to explain, because Ren TV said that the Earth is flat. Everything is being repaired at RSK Mig. The EU will not let us break the law and repair something in Ukraine, without a tender and public documents. This is illegal. Everything is public.
              2. komuso
                komuso 18 October 2020 15: 50
                0
                A small clarification - we (in Bulgaria) in 2000 removed the MiG-23 MLD / UM / BN from service, and the last flight of the MiG-21 (board 114, board 243 and spark board 28) was on December 18, 2015 after 52 years of service in the Bulgarian Air Force.
              3. vadimtt
                vadimtt 19 October 2020 09: 50
                +1
                You're all lying! One definitely stands at the entrance to Nessebar, I saw it myself laughing

                PS: By the way, well-groomed, unlike the cars of the Burgas airfield museum.
                1. pytar
                  pytar 19 October 2020 13: 56
                  0
                  You're all lying! One definitely stands at the entrance to Nessebar, I saw it myself

                  There! good In 2015 in Nessebar, a monument to the MiG-21 was opened! Two cosmonauts were present at the opening: Aleksandar Aleksandrov (BG) and Oleg Novitsky (RU).
    2. pytar
      pytar 18 October 2020 12: 18
      0
      The repair of "Bulgarian" MiG-29s was done by Ukraine. The Bulgarians were not satisfied with the quality of the repairs and in December they turned to Russia. An agreement was signed with MiG on the repair of 15 aircraft. And here Ukraine jumped in advance and filed a complaint with the Competition Protection Commission. Now the Bulgarians are forced to withdraw from the contract with Russia.

      Drinking demonstration Not knowing the facts! On account of the pluses to the comment, you can see how many members of the forum do not have the slightest idea about the situation! belay
  • parusnik
    parusnik 18 October 2020 07: 44
    +1
    And figley, business ... everyone wants to snatch from the one that he cannot produce ... the friendship of peoples is over .. smile
  • Linxs
    Linxs 18 October 2020 07: 52
    +1
    Quote: askort154
    They cast a shadow over the fence.

    You do it more skillfully and professionally.
    1. askort154
      askort154 18 October 2020 12: 24
      +1
      LinxS - You do it more skillfully and professionally.

      I'm flattered! You are amazingly astute! And most importantly, your post is well-argued! Icrying !hi
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 18 October 2020 07: 53
    0
    Do not fuck with traitors to communicate and do not fuck airplanes to them. They will betray you anyway.
  • north 2
    north 2 18 October 2020 08: 03
    +4
    more important should be a discussion about how it happened that with an obvious pro-Russian people
    in countries such as Bulgaria and Serbia, the people there have clear pro-American and pro-Western
    rulers. In my opinion, the first who the Westerners bribe and win over to their side are the journalists and editors of the so-called independent media. They are so many lies and lies.
    they have already written about Russia that no one has read or heard such news about the repair and service of Russians
    planes in Bulgaria, will not seek the truth. The conclusion is one at once - the Russian service is bad, Russian deceivers and scammers.
    And you don't need to be amused by the fact that under the so-called democracy the Bulgarians choose rulers for themselves, who, instead of giving Russia a hand, they substitute a leg for Russia. It was the same with the Bulgarians
    when they were ruled by the Bulgarian Tsars. And not only Russia, the Bulgarians substituted a leg. They are against
    co-religionists of Orthodox Serbs and Greeks during the Second World War in alliance with Hitler were ...
    As for the present days, it would be interesting to know how many of the future elite of Bulgaria in quality
    today, only students study at universities in the US and the West, and how many of these Bulgarians study at universities in Russia.
    So also in those universities of Russia in which programs and teaching materials are not written according to the manuals
    Soros and other ideologues of the West. What, you say, that there are very few such universities in Russia, and students in Russia are also greatly influenced by training under the programs of Western ideologists. Which stated that the West is good, but Russia is bad. From history to service.
    1. URAL72
      URAL72 18 October 2020 08: 11
      +8
      You call from your bell tower, but you forgot that in the EU and NATO, your standards, and the Russian language, like education, are not quoted there. You can't make a career. Bulgaria itself is a weak country, they will not be able to withstand pressure from outside. Independence is the same false nonsense as democracy. The economy decides everything. That is, money ... The same applies to Bulgaria's participation in the wars - purely business ...
      1. pytar
        pytar 18 October 2020 12: 28
        +4
        Russian, like education, is not listed there

        English, German and Russian language are the most preferred for studying in Bulgaria. The Russian language continues to creep into interest in the country, while According to the percentage of schoolchildren teaching Russian, Bulgaria is in first place in the EU. hi
    2. Pete mitchell
      Pete mitchell 18 October 2020 10: 10
      +1
      Quote: North 2
      more important should be a discussion about how it happened that with an obvious pro-Russian people in countries such as Bulgaria and Serbia

      Because the “partners” did not hope for historical ties and purposefully worked to destroy them: they have a plan and the ability to play long.
      And as a private example
      Quote: Keyser Soze
      The training will last 3 years and 4 months .. All pilots are young guys who are now starting their career in the Bulgarian Air Force. While training pilots will be able to transfer their families to US bases

      You understand that these are amerov's investments for the future: I’m ready to bet that none of them, their families, their children will ever say a kind word about Russia, even if there is a reason. And such examples among the former neighbors in the Union / WB - a breakthrough ...
      1. pytar
        pytar 18 October 2020 12: 58
        +1
        I’m ready to argue that none of them, their families, their children will ever say a kind word about Russia, even if there is a reason.

        The President of Bulgaria, I-class fighter pilot and former Air Force commander, General Rumen Radev, graduated from the Maxwell Squadron Officer School in SASCH in 1992. In 2003 he graduated from the Air Force College at Maxwell AFB in the USA as a Master of Strategic Studies with honors! He never said bad things about Russia in his life! On the contrary, he always speaks out with kind words about Russia and the Russians!
        And there are quite a few Bulgarians who received their education in Russia, and who, after staying there, received negative impressions from this country! So, being determines consciousness! Reality is more important than propaganda! hi
        1. Pete mitchell
          Pete mitchell 18 October 2020 14: 51
          +4
          Pytar hi your willingness to defend your Country is worthy of respect, keep it up.
          Otherwise, is your president a 1st class pilot, ALP, Air War College? Well done. Do you know what they teach there?
          Do you really think that your country is free in its choice? Do you consider yourself "equal" in here? Then I'll tell you a secret: there are Belgians with Germans bend over, and if the opinions of others are listened to, it is to maintain illusions. I witnessed how unanimous votes are "organized" in HQ: the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union is resting.
          My post is more of a rebuke to those who hoped brotherly feelings and did nothing for the future. Sorry, but everything is clear with your country - a little time will pass and a lot will change, we have already seen this, we are looking for a lot of examples in history ...
          1. pytar
            pytar 19 October 2020 09: 50
            0
            Pytar, your willingness to defend your Country is worthy of respect, keep it up.

            It's easy for me! Stick to the obscure truth!
            ... passed ALP, graduated from Air War College? Well done. Do you know what they teach there?

            I admit, not in the know.
            Do you really think that your country is free in its choice? Do you consider yourself "equal" in here?

            Dear Pete Mitchell, Nowhere, never have I said that! No country is absolutely free! Big, powerful country, driving the parade! For a country like Bulgaria, the opportunities are much less, they have to maneuver between the interests of large countries. It is more important to be pragmatic, because everything in the world is based on interests!
            My post is rather a rebuke to those who hoped for fraternal feelings and did nothing for the future.

            Fraternal feelings exist between people, but politics, business is guided by interests! In all countries, in all times!
            ... a little time will pass and a lot will change, we have already seen this, we are looking for darkness in history ...

            Nothing in the world stands for one place! Everything changes constantly [b] [/ b]!
            1. Pete mitchell
              Pete mitchell 19 October 2020 10: 16
              +3
              Quote: pytar
              It is more important to be pragmatic, because everything in the world is based on interests!
              I agree with you, but excuse me from the countries of eastern Europe, the baltics are not maneuvering called, a tougher wording, I'm afraid to upset the moderators.
              Quote: pytar
              Fraternal feelings exist between people, but politics, business is guided by interests ...

              So I say everything will change: and when yours return after retraining, they will be sharpened in the American manner with all the ensuing consequences. And one of the consequences for some of them personally, will happen in twenty-five years, if not earlier - when will they start to wonder in the interests of whose country I served? I have repeatedly crossed paths with young NATO demobels - who for themselves could not answer the question - what did I do in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya ... half a dozen times like this in ten years? And someone will certainly reach heights, but the paradigm will be the same - from the overseas uncle.
              I hope you will continue to easily
              1. pytar
                pytar 19 October 2020 12: 12
                +1
                ... but excuse me from the countries of eastern Europe, the baltics - it's not called tacking, a tougher wording ...

                There is a weight and a psychological factor! Historical burden, perception of Russia as a threat, an enemy ...
                So I say everything will change: and when yours return after retraining, they will be sharpened in the American manner with all the ensuing consequences.

                You know ... Bulgarians have a special mentality ... Wherever they study, they remain Bulgarians. I wrote in another comment, historically it happened, many Bulgarians received education, studied abroad. Because of this, they did not love their homeland less! Bulgarian pilots, officers, sailors have always selflessly defended their country from every enemy!
                I have repeatedly crossed paths with young NATO demobels - who for themselves could not answer the question - what I did in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya ...

                You need to understand what is being discussed and personal characteristics. This does not depend on nationality, you never know Wagnerians walk around the world ...
                I hope it will be easy for you in the future

                Thanks! Good health and good luck to you! hi
                1. Pete mitchell
                  Pete mitchell 19 October 2020 16: 22
                  +2
                  Quote: pytar
                  Bulgarian pilots, officers, sailors have always selflessly defended their country from every enemy!

                  Do you think that the Bulgarian / NATO troops in Libya / Iraq / Afghanistan are defending their countries? Do you believe that you will be allowed to sit at home and proudly wave the NATO flag? Especially with Libya, I'm interested - was it just a unanimous decision? Not even funny.
                  Pytar, I have said several times, but I will repeat: in this club of big uncles, where even the opinion of the Germans is not asked, what do you think about the security of your country does not interest anyone. Feel it as soon as your opinion does not coincide with the opinion of the uncles. Believe they are lay much tougher than the same Union.
                  1. pytar
                    pytar 19 October 2020 17: 18
                    0
                    Do you think that the Bulgarian / NATO troops in Libya / Iraq / Afghanistan are defending their countries?

                    There are no Bulgarian military personnel in Libya. But the Wagnerites are probably there. I personally know the BG-soldier / t.o. helicopters / who served in Afghanistan and was awaiting a new contract. Nobody obliges them, risks are understood and accepted as part of the profession. There are talks about the restoration of the conscription service, but so far, the BGA is contractual.
                    My personal opinion is that if you are a member of some union, you have obligations, otherwise you cannot count on help. So it was in the police department, right?
                    Especially with Libya, I'm interested - was it just a unanimous decision?

                    I do not know, but specifically with Gaddafi, we Bulgarians / count as people /, had personal scores! This beast, at one time tortured our nurses, I prophesied back then - for the evil done, he will pay off!
                    in this club of big uncles, where even the opinion of the Germans is not asked, no one is interested in what you think about the security of your country

                    I know. But for the current period there is no other alternative. Like, after the collapse of the OVD, NATO gave us a temporary precursor to somehow tighten up the country and restore the economy. As a result, we have accumulated finances, we are starting to modernize the army. According to the plan, in the next years, the BHA should increase its number a little, but it should become more modern and technologically advanced.
                    1. Pete mitchell
                      Pete mitchell 19 October 2020 17: 52
                      +3
                      I'm not specifically talking about Libya, I'm talking about the possibility of not being clear where and not for their own interests.
                      Happy for you:
                      Quote: pytar
                      have accumulated finances, we are starting to modernize the army. According to the plan, in the next years, the BGA should increase its number a little, but it should become more modern and technologically advanced.
                      , and one day the good French will come with the Anglo-Saxons and say: we got involved in a war (as was the case with Libya) and you
                      Quote: pytar
                      being a member of a union, you have obligations
                      , get up and forward. And no one will ask you.
                      As for the help of the collective West - remember the beginning of WW2: the Poles were promised, the Balts were promised, the Czechs were simply bent over; quite recently they promised Ukraine ... then they didn't even apologize: you have a very selective historical memory.
                      PS It is very imprudent to refer to private traders, they do not fight under the flag of the state, it is not known what will swim in ...
                      1. pytar
                        pytar 19 October 2020 21: 04
                        0
                        I'm talking about the opportunity to be not clear where and not for their own interests.

                        And sitting at home you can find yourself in the same position. Nobody is insured, the world is a dynamic place. By the way, for half a century, during the social events, we exported an ideology that, in fact, was not ours.
                        and one day the good Frenchmen with the Anglo-Saxons will come and say: we got involved in the war ...

                        NATO obliges to provide assistance only with an external attack. Bulgaria participates in peacekeeping missions incl. and under the auspices of the UN, like many other non-aligned countries.
                        About the help of the collective west ...

                        I have no illusion. Help from someone can be expected only if it is in their interests. It has always been that way. Therefore, we need to strengthen our defenses and rely on ourselves, and, if possible, on some of our neighbors. Good-neighborly relations come first for us.
                        It is very imprudent to refer to private traders, they do not fight under the flag of the state, it is not known what will swim in ...

                        Formality flag. Liability is legally eliminated, but the essence is the same.
                      2. Pete mitchell
                        Pete mitchell 19 October 2020 21: 59
                        +3
                        Pytar, my dear - do not distort. Neither your voice nor the other was heard when the French bent everyone down and presented them with a fact - we are all at war. Say whatever you want, but this is a setup for the whole block. Although if the presence of NATO troops outside Europe is the fulfillment of their duty, then let me ask you to whom? Who did Afghanistan attack?
                        And about the flag you are in vain, a lot of things are missing
                      3. pytar
                        pytar 20 October 2020 08: 52
                        +1
                        What is the jitter? Participation in the mission abroad is voluntary. These missions have nothing to do with Member 5 of the NATO Air Force. Many non-aligned countries also send their contingents.
                        Let me remind you - to Afghanistan, when the Soviet Union sent an army. Since the beginning of the NATO operation, the Russian Federation has been very actively involved! The USSR, NATO and the Russian Federation, are fighting against the same Taliban! You somehow look at things oddly!
                      4. Pete mitchell
                        Pete mitchell 20 October 2020 10: 52
                        +3
                        So for whose sins did you find yourself in Afghanistan? And why did the Russian Federation categorically refuse to allocate drugs? And fought a lot?
                      5. pytar
                        pytar 20 October 2020 13: 37
                        -1
                        So for whose sins did you find yourself in Afghanistan?

                        What does sins have to do with it ?! Combat experience finished off, these are special units. BMP-23 have tried / + Iraq /! Showed very good qualities! Electronic warfare systems were tested, as a result we received orders.
                        And why did the Russian Federation categorically refuse to allocate drugs?

                        If the memory does not fail 15 thousand. have they already put theirs there? You can see it.
                      6. Pete mitchell
                        Pete mitchell 20 October 2020 14: 06
                        +3
                        Pytar, have you messed anything up? The Union left Afgan many years ago and it is not for you to judge. You should rejoice - Afghan became one of the triggers of the collapse of the Union - after that you surrendered civilized west, took the opportunity, congratulations.
                        It means the acquisition of experience participating in violence against another country is an achievement newborn democracy - sold out. You have been dragged into a fornicator repeating the mistakes of the British, the Union; don't tune in later
                        You know, I will repeat myself - it is not for you to judge our Afghanistan, all the more to mock with hints
                      7. pytar
                        pytar 20 October 2020 16: 14
                        -1
                        Pytar, have you messed anything up? The Union left Afgan many years ago and it is not for you to judge.

                        Confused nothing. At that time I heard the news and discussed it in the club. One aged man said - "this is a fatal error. the beginning of the end ..."
                        You should rejoice ... the collapse of the Union ...

                        The collapse of the USSR shocked me and most of the people here! For a while, we even thought that it was a "not a cunning move", like a reconstruction.
                        after that you gave yourself up to the civilized west, used the opportunity

                        Then no one thought about anything like that.
                        It means that the acquisition of experience by participating in violence against another country is an achievement of a newborn democracy ...

                        No more, no less than the USSR, and the Russian Federation did now. By the way, bd. against the Taliban NOT "war over another country"! Taliban is not a country! After all, the USSR did not fight with the country of Afghanistan against the same Taliban!
                        You have been dragged into a fornicator repeating the mistakes of the British, the Union; don't tune in later

                        Very interesting reasoning! When you fought against the Taliban, and now you are helping the Australian government, that's good, right? And when the United States and the coalition are fighting against the very Taliban, it’s bad, ha ha ha! I’ll give you some info for the discussion - the Mi turntables of the Augustan army, for which Mil OKB received a contract 2-3 years ago, were repaired in Bulgarian repair factories, as Mil's subcontractors ...
                        it is not for you to judge our Afghanistan, all the more to mock with hints

                        It is not for you to forbid me what I will judge. There is no nonsense, the problem is your perception of facts.
                      8. Pete mitchell
                        Pete mitchell 20 October 2020 17: 39
                        +3
                        It is not for you to judge our Afghanistan, they entered and exited themselves. Do not repeat the mistakes of the Brit and Union - better understand for yourself what you are doing there and why. About democracy just do not tell, cheer the Afghans.
                        And also about the obligations to someone mythical: did they drag their pilot out of Somalia, or did they forget about the poor fellow? When my friend “left” from there, yours was there for three years already, and no one was interested in him. Remembered, I already asked - you haven't even heard about it
                      9. pytar
                        pytar 21 October 2020 09: 28
                        -1
                        I can judge whatever I want. Whether you like it or not, it doesn't matter. As for the Bulgarian contingent in the ISAF, there were 106 soldiers in a security company. NATO forces support the legitimate government of Afghanistan.
                        About "pilot in Somalia", I have not heard. There was a case, but with a sailor, not a pilot! They returned it long ago.
                      10. Pete mitchell
                        Pete mitchell 21 October 2020 12: 37
                        +2
                        Quote: pytar
                        I can judge everything I want ..

                        Who can argue, you are in democracy take part lol at the same time, think about how you “fight” the Taliban, and your masters, probably senior partners will be in the European way, they are negotiating ... oh, but you were not informed. Yes, they do not inform the “legal” government of Afghanistan either. Do not be upset - they often do this, look around more often.
                        Your pilot in Somalia worked under a contract with a very powerful international structure, which forgot about him after the abduction, and you forgot, oh ...
                        The union itself came to Afghanistan, it left itself. Nobody dragged him there like a ram by the horns, there is a difference between the independent decisions of the Country and the execution of the uncle's command. Become independent and contact, just dismiss listen to your stories about independence newborn democracies, only you believe in it.
                        Russia and Bulgaria have a lot in common in the past, but not in the future, as it happened. Bye
                      11. pytar
                        pytar 21 October 2020 14: 16
                        0
                        But who can argue, you are participating in democracy ...

                        Having lived half my life under totalitarianism and the second part under democracy, my preferences, like the preferences of most of my sonar readers, are unequivocally towards democracy. Democracy is a good thing, but you confuse it with foreign policy, where everything is guided by interests!
                        and your hosts, probably the senior partners will be European, they negotiate with them ... oh, but you were not informed.

                        Your echidism betrays a complete misunderstanding of how peacekeeping missions function in principle. laughing
                        Your pilot in Somalia worked under a contract with a very powerful international structure, which forgot about him after the abduction, and you forgot, oh ...

                        Many Bulgarians are / work abroad. I cannot know each separate case! As you may not know, about all similar cases with your sonar monitors. request
                        The Union itself came to Afghanistan, it left itself ... there is a difference between the independent decisions of the Country and the implementation of the uncle's command.

                        Himself, myself ... all by myself! Having lost 15 thousand. their own and killing another hundred thousand. local. A reason for pride, there is nothing to add here! yes
                        Become self-reliant and contact ... those.

                        I will repeat 101 times - there are NO absolutely independent countries in the world! The GDP itself says it! All are interdependent! Complex system with centers of weight! Your "advice" is an illusion, self-deception!
                        Russia and Bulgaria have a lot in common in the past, but not in the future, as it happened. Bye

                        Historically Bulgaria and Russia have been close, allied states 3 times more than in mutually neutral or hostile relations. You are not Wang and do not know what will happen in the future. By the way, Vanga says that our countries will be close.
                        Bye! hi
  • major147
    major147 19 October 2020 17: 28
    +2
    Quote: pytar
    He never said bad things about Russia in his life! On the contrary, he always speaks out with kind words about Russia and the Russians!

    In Russia they say "Don't listen to what they say, look what they are doing." Pashinyan in Armenia also does not say anything bad about Russia, but he does nasty things to Russia.
    1. pytar
      pytar 19 October 2020 21: 05
      0
      In Russia they say "Don't listen to what they say, look what they are doing." Pashinyan in Armenia also does not say anything bad about Russia, but he does nasty things to Russia.

      Radev is not doing anything bad to Russia. Naborot - trying to build bridges.
      1. major147
        major147 19 October 2020 21: 13
        0
        Quote: pytar
        Radev is not doing anything bad to Russia. Naborot - trying to build bridges.

        Well, thank God!
  • K-50
    K-50 18 October 2020 09: 29
    +2
    We are talking about eight aircraft, which can enter the military aviation along with a similar number of aircraft already paid for (purchased for $ 1,2 billion under a package agreement

    the breakdown of the contract from 2018 worth 40 million euros, which provided for the repair of 8 out of 15 MiG-29s

    Well, if the "brothers" 40 lam greenery a lot of money, and 1,2 yards is not, then I really don't know what to say. request
  • Victor bg
    Victor bg 18 October 2020 09: 33
    +6
    Quote: URAL72
    Your Russian is not so bad. But the same mistake is constantly encountered. You need to write "this", not "eto".

    There is no letter "E" on the "Bulgarian keyboard"
    1. Gado
      Gado 18 October 2020 23: 37
      +2
      Everything is there, dear. I write this in Bulgarian clave, on it all the letters that are in the Cyrillic alphabet. This is what is known as the OBD standard. And if it is not there, then you write in phonetics. The only thing that is not on the Bulgarian keyboard is "yo".
  • AlexVas44
    AlexVas44 18 October 2020 09: 34
    +1
    Quote: Leader of the Redskins
    Are we on you? I don't remember when we drank a hundred grams together.

    Apparently there were many times a hundred grams. laughing drinks good
  • Bolo
    Bolo 18 October 2020 10: 34
    +1
    With such brothers, you don't need enemies ...
  • Bear040
    Bear040 18 October 2020 10: 56
    +3
    This is not Bulgaria, which owes Russia its independence and the preservation of its ethnicity, but which is constantly fighting against the Russian Federation and today is in the anti-Russian military bloc NATO, to reproach the Russian Federation for inadequacy.
  • north 2
    north 2 18 October 2020 10: 57
    +6
    Quote: Pete Mitchell
    Quote: North 2
    more important should be a discussion about how it happened that with an obvious pro-Russian people in countries such as Bulgaria and Serbia

    Because the “partners” did not hope for historical ties and purposefully worked to destroy them: they have a plan and the ability to play long.
    And as a private example
    Quote: Keyser Soze
    The training will last 3 years and 4 months .. All pilots are young guys who are now starting their career in the Bulgarian Air Force. While training pilots will be able to transfer their families to US bases

    You understand that these are amerov's investments for the future: I’m ready to bet that none of them, their families, their children will ever say a kind word about Russia, even if there is a reason. And such examples among the former neighbors in the Union / WB - a breakthrough ...

    so I wonder how it happened that Russia, which laid down hundreds of thousands of its lives
    soldiers saving Bulgarians from Turkish and German genocide, the current authorities and elites of Bulgaria betray
    joins the ranks of Russia's obvious enemies in NATO. Someone here wrote in a commentary that Bulgaria's participation in the wars is pure business. Here is a good business, what then should pay for such a Bulgarian business
    Russia, or rather the USSR, has hundreds of thousands of lives of its soldiers. And this fee had to be paid for the Bulgarians
    only seventy years after the Russian soldiers laid their heads at Shik and at Plevna, saving the Bulgarians from the Turkish genocide. The next Bulgarians in line for such a business
    Armenia is becoming now. Russia saved the Armenians from the Turkish and German-fascist genocides, and modern Pashinyan Armenia must be looked after, so that it, like Bulgaria, does not crawl away
    into the nest of Russia's enemies, NATO.
    1. Terenin
      Terenin 18 October 2020 15: 10
      +6
      Quote: north 2
      into the nest of Russia's enemies, NATO.

      I don't think there is an idyll among the NATO countries.
      Tensions are observed in relations between Washington and Ankara, between the United States and Europe ...
      There is no need to talk about the collapse of NATO and its replacement by the European army yet.
      If NATO is tasked with responding to real threats, then the alliance has a future, and if it is to collectively contain Russia and other countries, then the fault lines within NATO will deepen.
    2. Pete mitchell
      Pete mitchell 18 October 2020 22: 24
      +3
      Quote: North 2
      so I wonder how it happened that ...

      Nature does not allow a vacuum
      Quote: Pete Mitchell
      “Partners” did not hope for historical ties and purposefully worked to destroy them: they have a plan and the ability to play long

      And besides, the Russian Federation turned out to be not ready to engage in cooperation / counteraction: a plan, time and opportunities are needed - for one reason or another, a lot was lost. It will be extremely difficult to make up
    3. Gado
      Gado 18 October 2020 23: 43
      +2
      I have written here more than once - your ancestors saved Bulgaria, not you personally, so you are writing nonsense. And your ancestors believed that Bulgaria is better. And therefore the Bulgarians are grateful to them. To all your reproaches, I can only say that, thank God, it was not you who saved Bulgaria.
  • karpusha
    karpusha 18 October 2020 15: 33
    +6
    No one needs moments. Too expensive operation, poor service, outdated or lagging behind competitors avionics. F16 is an excellent light fighter. Many rightfully consider it to be the best in its class. And deservedly so, the number of sales confirms this. Russia is losing arms markets, this market share is occupied by China and the United States.
  • svoit
    svoit 18 October 2020 16: 01
    0
    Quote: Civil
    effective managers however in firms

    Perhaps the fine is still lower than the difference between the cost of the repair and the contract
  • komuso
    komuso 18 October 2020 16: 05
    +3
    Interestingly, what would have happened if we (Bulgaria) in 2010-2013 did not carry out the overhaul of the Smolny and Perekop management companies? What a howl in social networks - Bulgaria sabotages the Russian Navy.
    1. Dart
      Dart 19 October 2020 00: 42
      -2
      With you it will become ... as an instruction comes from behind a puddle, so you will have ... and sabotage, and so on.
  • bukhach
    bukhach 18 October 2020 17: 45
    -1
    Quote: North 2
    more important should be a discussion about how it happened that with an obvious pro-Russian people
    in countries such as Bulgaria and Serbia, the people there have clear pro-American and pro-Western
    rulers. In my opinion, the first who the Westerners bribe and win over to their side are the journalists and editors of the so-called independent media. They are so many lies and lies.
    they have already written about Russia that no one has read or heard such news about the repair and service of Russians
    planes in Bulgaria, will not seek the truth. The conclusion is one at once - the Russian service is bad, Russian deceivers and scammers.
    And you don't need to be amused by the fact that under the so-called democracy the Bulgarians choose rulers for themselves, who, instead of giving Russia a hand, they substitute a leg for Russia. It was the same with the Bulgarians
    when they were ruled by the Bulgarian Tsars. And not only Russia, the Bulgarians substituted a leg. They are against
    co-religionists of Orthodox Serbs and Greeks during the Second World War in alliance with Hitler were ...
    As for the present days, it would be interesting to know how many of the future elite of Bulgaria in quality
    today, only students study at universities in the US and the West, and how many of these Bulgarians study at universities in Russia.
    So also in those universities of Russia in which programs and teaching materials are not written according to the manuals
    Soros and other ideologues of the West. What, you say, that there are very few such universities in Russia, and students in Russia are also greatly influenced by training under the programs of Western ideologists. Which stated that the West is good, but Russia is bad. From history to service.

    What kind of Bulgarians and Serbs can they say when their citizens are fooled in the spirit of European integration, they say, away from a dark past and a murky present to a radiant European future. Youth is being conducted very significantly, and not only young people, old fools are also enough.
  • komuso
    komuso 18 October 2020 18: 44
    +1
    Quote: komuso
    Quote: akarfoxhound
    And the right to life, and free, is exclusively from Washington, right? Still wondering, well, to restore sclerosis, how many Soviet military bases were there in Bulgaria at the Department of Internal Affairs? And the US bases at NATO in the house, of course, do not count! This is for the world, we are organizing wars around the planet, and not someone's striped masters ?! That's right! How could we not have guessed! wassat

    There are no NATO / US bases in Bulgaria, there are training grounds that are used jointly during the exercise. And about the USSR base in Bulgaria until 1992, Mr. only warehouses for storing nuclear warheads for the Bulgarian OTRK, there were three Russians there were even cooks, there were yes and calculations long-range radars - such as at Botev peak and Cape Emine. In Varna, in the "Flotsk Arsenal" there was a Soviet "division of repairing ships" - which was responsible for all ships of the Soviet Navy being repaired in Bulgaria.
  • Hikaro
    Hikaro 18 October 2020 22: 21
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    Bulgaria shouldn't have bothered with old Moments !! It is already clear that a stupid miscalculation !! Bulgaria is a NATO country and is a member of the European Union, which means it must strictly comply with the EEC regulations and rules! As for Russia, it is high time to switch to a pragmatic approach in relations with the EEC countries of especially former socialist countries! without any mention of past events (brothers of the USSR, etc.). And then the Bulgarian president came and asked Putin in Russian about something, and everyone immediately melted !! Bulgaria is not our friend or enemy. Just an EEC country! if it is profitable, we will cooperate, and if not, then why waste time and money on this country! And it is time to realize in the former socialist countries a new generation has grown up long ago, which deeply do not care about Russia and past history !! especially the history of World War II and the liberation of Europe from the fascism of the USSR !! Therefore, it is necessary to cool all these fraternal exhortations and build relationships only on beneficial and preferably clearly paid relationships! And no more gratuitous help and other nonsense!
  • Gunther
    Gunther 18 October 2020 22: 59
    -2
    turkish brothers approve laughing
  • PValery53
    PValery53 19 October 2020 00: 23
    +1
    With regard to the military contract with Bulgaria - "a woman with a cart is easier for a mare." Strengthening the military power of a potential enemy is more expensive for us.
  • Dart
    Dart 19 October 2020 00: 39
    -1
    Quote: pytar
    Bulgaria is the territory of the EU.

    and you are also NATO. That's why you need to spread rot ... don't you like it? but honestly.
    1. pytar
      pytar 19 October 2020 09: 31
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      and you are also NATO. That's why you need to spread rot ... don't you like it?

      Almost all of Europe and North. America is NATO! Why don't you spread rot? Probably due to the fact that you will steal yourself so scrupulously! Come on, come on ... start messing up all the contracts! fellow
      1. major147
        major147 19 October 2020 17: 16
        +1
        Quote: pytar
        Almost all of Europe and North. America is NATO!
        A similar "NATO" came to Russia both with Napoleon and with Hitler. We have dealt with all, there will be a need and we will deal with the current one.
        1. pytar
          pytar 19 October 2020 20: 28
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          We have dealt with all, there will be a need and we will deal with the current one.

          Straight pride came true! But! There is a small problem ... With the eventual showdown, no one will be left alive to rejoice at the "victory". So there will be no "need". The world is already different. Other important priorities.
          1. major147
            major147 19 October 2020 20: 31
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            Quote: pytar
            no one will survive to rejoice at the "victory".

            As our President said: "We are martyrs straight to paradise, and they will die without even repenting," so do not meddle .....
            1. pytar
              pytar 19 October 2020 21: 20
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              I suspect that everyone in the compartment will NOT be in paradise ... All sinners, too sinful ... laughing
              1. major147
                major147 19 October 2020 22: 16
                +1
                Quote: pytar
                I suspect that everyone in the compartment will NOT be in paradise ... All sinners, too sinful ... laughing

                They'll figure it out ...
                1. pytar
                  pytar 20 October 2020 08: 54
                  -2
                  They'll figure it out ...

                  I remembered one anegdote about Paradise, VVP, zeroing and Tereshkova ... lol
  • Barmal
    Barmal 19 October 2020 12: 29
    0
    To create a problem for the Bulgarians with the sale of MIGs to a third party is a great move for actions against Gazprom, in fact, Russian repair plants paid a penalty, which will be repulsed almost immediately after the Bulgarians change their citizenship, this time. And due to the lack of funds for the purchase of advanced NATO aircraft, the Bulgarians will either buy expensive and advanced ones on credit, but little, or buy the least advanced ones, but a lot, but again on credit, since they still have to sell moments. A good action by the Russian side, weakening the NATO ally, depriving him of the opportunity to fly in aircraft related to Russia and air skill like Russian. Let the pilots of Bulgaria master new efkos and realize what they have lost and what they have acquired. That will not add to their confidence in the battle, and the predictions of the outcome of the battle may in the minds of the pilots put together a bad mosaic for them and refusal to collide / exit from it.
    1. pytar
      pytar 19 October 2020 21: 18
      -2
      Good story, from a parallel universe! good Cool! laughing
      1. Barmal
        Barmal 20 October 2020 21: 07
        0
        I answered below about Hitler and your devotion to fraternal ideals, do not be embarrassed, continue.
  • Andrey Krasnoyarsky
    Andrey Krasnoyarsky 19 October 2020 13: 12
    +2
    Bulgaria was outraged that Russia did not repair the aircraft intended for the war against Russia.
    1. pytar
      pytar 19 October 2020 21: 16
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      Bulgaria was outraged that Russia did not repair the aircraft intended for the war against Russia.

      Bulgaria was outraged that gentlemen Mikoyanovtsy, do not lie in the terms of contracts and repair airplanes left. yes MiG-29, produced in '85, cannot fight against Russia from the territory of Bulgaria. Somehow it will fly to the Crimea, but the distance to the continental part is greater than its range. laughing
      1. Andrey Krasnoyarsky
        Andrey Krasnoyarsky 20 October 2020 15: 21
        +2
        You have convinced me. For the war with Russia, the Americans will give you something more long-range. But against which evil aggressor will Bulgaria defend itself with MIGs? We look at the map. Bulgaria is bordered by Greece, Turkey, Romania, North. Macedonia and Serbia. The first four countries are Bulgaria's best friends and its NATO allies. Serbia remains. Here, it turns out, who insidiously encroaches on Bulgarian tomatoes and peppers !!! angry
        1. pytar
          pytar 20 October 2020 16: 23
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          what evil aggressor Bulgaria will defend with MIGs

          You just noticed right here! The answer is elementary - against every potential AGGRESSOR! Si vis pacem, para bellum!
          Greece, Turkey, Romania, North. Macedonia and Serbia. The first four countries are Bulgaria's best friends and its NATO allies. Serbia remains.

          We have no problems with Serbia! Relationships are the best ever! The Serbian army recently participated in military exercises with our army near Varna. Erdogan's Turkey is alarming, but I gave the answer above. The Bulgarian army, in terms of composition, armament and concept, is very selective.
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          2. Barmal
            Barmal 21 October 2020 10: 12
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            An alliance with Hitler? Typical behavior. Bomb? Definitely, start with satellites.
            1. pytar
              pytar 21 October 2020 11: 17
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              Typical behavior.

              No more, no less than everyone else!
              Bomb? Definitely, start with satellites.

              I didn’t understand who was going to bomb whom ?!
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              2. Barmal
                Barmal 21 October 2020 15: 04
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                Well, I am writing without any offensive speech turnover. We will bomb you, NATO members. As before. Without looking back at your quasi-kinship with us. And the refusal to repair the MiG equipment is a completely sensible step, preventing the possible sale or transfer of aircraft to Ukraine.
                1. pytar
                  pytar 21 October 2020 16: 14
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                  Well, I am writing without any offensive speech turnover.

                  Great! good Communication should not be boorish!
                  We will bomb you, NATO members. As before.

                  Do you remember when you bombed NATO before?
                  Without looking back at your quasi-kinship with us.

                  Half of my relatives are Russian. But with people like you Barmal, there is no relationship.
                  And the refusal to repair the MiG equipment is a completely sensible step, preventing the possible sale or transfer of aircraft to Ukraine.

                  The illogical hypothesis. These MiGs are old and so dead that only Khavtar can be useful for emergency disposal. Ukraine will not accept them even for nothing! And yet there is no "refusal to repair", there is a slowdown in terms and some problems with the nomenclature of parts. MiGs will soon be ready and will perform the rest of their service at our airfields.
                  1. Barmal
                    Barmal 22 October 2020 15: 07
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                    Would you agree, Bulgarian, to lie under the train that Bulgaria will not transfer its "worn-out" equipment to Ukraine under any kind of sale (for 1 UAH, leasing, by way of mutual assistance)?
                    1. pytar
                      pytar 22 October 2020 15: 42
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                      I guarantee! yes There are only 2 options - 1. these cars will go to the UAE for Haftara. MO Karakachanov hinted at something like that. 2. will serve in the Bulgarian Air Force for a couple of years, and then some of them will end up on the podium.
          3. Andrey Krasnoyarsky
            Andrey Krasnoyarsky 21 October 2020 10: 36
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            Could you clarify: the military concept of the Bulgarian army is selective or defensive? Selective means that something needs to be taken away from someone. Defensive - to defend your own. And then I was really worried about your statement ... request
            1. pytar
              pytar 21 October 2020 11: 14
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              Could you clarify: the military concept of the Bulgarian army is selective or defensive?

              Typo! laughing DEFENSIVE! Sometimes I confuse Russian words, I beg your pardon!
              1. Andrey Krasnoyarsky
                Andrey Krasnoyarsky 21 October 2020 15: 01
                +1
                Thank you, you reassured me. And about your mistakes in Russian - it's okay, I know Bulgarian much worse than you Russian smile
  • Petro_tut
    Petro_tut 19 October 2020 18: 25
    +1
    I should have taken the Saabs, they are even cheaper