Russian Helicopters told about the Ka-62 helicopter test program

Flight tests of the Ka-62 multipurpose helicopter are planned to be completed in 2021. This was reported by TASS with reference to the Russian Helicopters holding.

Certification flight tests are planned to be completed in 2021, with the receipt of a basic certificate for a car with a cabin with a capacity of up to 15 passengers

- said in the message of the holding.

Currently, the helicopter is being checked for compliance with takeoff and landing and flight performance characteristics. At the same time, airborne radio-electronic equipment is tested to the effects of high-intensity electromagnetic fields.

Three flight models made by Arsenyevskaya are involved in the tests. aviation by the Progress company, the helicopters have successfully performed flights within the framework of the preliminary test program.

It is reported that the car was created "to perform a wide range of tasks, in particular, for the transportation of passengers, rescue operations, work in the interests of the oil and gas industry." The helicopter with a takeoff weight of up to 6,8 tons can carry 15 passengers over distances of up to 720 km, as well as cargo inside the cabin and on an external sling up to 2,5 tons.

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[Piramidon]

Flight tests of the Ka-62 multipurpose helicopter are planned to be completed in 2021

Clear skies and soft landings, as they say. It seems that this is the first "Kamov" machine with one rotor (not coaxial)?

[Civil]

Is the article ordered? In light of the criminal cases on the design of the Ka-62.

[venik]

Quote: Civil

Is the article ordered? In light of the criminal cases on the design of the Ka-62.

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Let's do this: flies - separately, and cutlets - separately! Thieving officials - this is not yet a reason to cheat on a project and a new car!

[ZEMCH]

Quote: Civil

Is the article ordered? In light of the criminal cases on the design of the Ka-62.

Criminal cases against effective managers from helicopter industry, the project is good and necessary

[K-612-O]

Do you think it's a criminal offense, do you need to quit the project? Or is it necessary to initiate a criminal case against the helicopter? Let the Kamovites bring the car to mind, and the authorities will deal with people who are dishonest.

[Observer2014]

Russian Helicopters told about the Ka-62 helicopter test program

So where is his cool name "Killer Whale"?

[Piramidon]

Quote: Observer2014

So where is his cool name "Killer Whale"?

As I recall, the Killer Whale is still a Ka-60.

[Observer2014]

Quote: Piramidon

Quote: Observer2014

So where is his cool name "Killer Whale"?

As I recall, the Killer Whale is still a Ka-60.

Wrong color? (Well, just no need for internal design)

[Ross xnumx]

The helicopter with a takeoff weight of up to 6,8 tons can carry 15 passengers over distances of up to 720 km, as well as cargo inside the cabin and on an external sling up to 2,5 tons.

Isn't it a replacement for the An-2? It loses in a flight range of 220 km against 12 passengers and 2 tons of cargo for the An-2 ... But no airfields are needed. Only the helipad ...

[Piramidon]

Quote: ROSS 42

The helicopter with a takeoff weight of up to 6,8 tons can carry 15 passengers over distances of up to 720 km, as well as cargo inside the cabin and on an external sling up to 2,5 tons.

Isn't it a replacement for the An-2? It loses in a flight range of 220 km against 12 passengers and 2 tons of cargo for the An-2 ... But no airfields are needed. Only the helipad ...

The operating cost crushes all these benefits. When the An-2 was still like mud in the USSR, the turntables were used only where it was impossible to do without them at all.

[Real Pilot]

[quote = ROSS 42] [quote] A helicopter with a takeoff weight of up to 6,8 tons can carry 15 passengers over distances of up to 720 km, as well as cargo inside the cabin and on an external sling up to 2,5 tons.
Isn't it a replacement for the An-2? It loses in a flight range of 220 km against 12 passengers and 2 tons of cargo for the An-2 ... But no airfields are needed. Only the helipad ... [/ quote]
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The main disadvantage is the price.

Alas, in small / medium aviation, a helicopter flight per flight hour is on average three times more expensive than an aircraft flight. This time. Well, the price of the aircraft is very high, the An-2 (especially the resource one, and there are no others) is almost free in comparison with this machine ...

At the same time, the skill level of the helicopter pilot - at the initial stage, especially - is more critical.
Those who have learned to hang and fly in rotary-wing aircraft will understand me (I was just a helicopter pilot, first of all, I flew on an airplane, but less).
When the instructor, the hero of Russia in Chechnya, taught me to hang and spin 360 'in a "well" made of trees in the forest a little larger than a helicopter with the words "this skill, if anything, will save your life", I felt very uncomfortable, but coped ... The handling is complex, coordinated (step-gas, yaw pedals and longitudinal-lateral control stick - all simultaneously and interconnected) and requires serious training!

Plus, the maintenance of the Ka-62 will be much more difficult. Maintenance of the swashplate, modern avionics, engines (turboshaft) are much more expensive and more complex.
An-2 has a simple piston engine, an unassuming glider, a strong propeller and nothing to break in the cockpit.
And then the high-tech hoo!

Well, refusals in flight are more dangerous for a helicopter.

[Humpty]

Quote: RealPilot

At the same time, the skill level of the helicopter pilot - at the initial stage, especially - is more critical.

What do you think, at what height can one land on this vehicle with a load of 1 ton?

[Real Pilot]

Quote: Humpty

Quote: RealPilot

At the same time, the skill level of the helicopter pilot - at the initial stage, especially - is more critical.

What do you think, at what height can one land on this vehicle with a load of 1 ton?

I will not undertake to answer ...

It depends on the diameter and speed of the propeller, engine power, fuel remaining in the tanks, airframe parameters, atmospheric conditions (wind speed, precipitation, atmospheric pressure ...) and just on the pilot's skill.

That is, it is first calculated and then learned experimentally.

I do not have an RLE (flight operation manual) for this aircraft. And guessing is a thankless task

[businessv]

Quote: RealPilot

Well, refusals in flight are more dangerous for a helicopter.

Thank you so much for the sensible and professional post!

[venik]

Quote: ROSS 42

Isn't it a replacement for the An-2? It loses in a flight range of 220 km against 12 passengers and 2 tons of cargo for the An-2 ... But no airfields are needed. Only the helipad ...

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Not only the helipad ... Helicopters always outperform planes in terms of economy and cost of a flight hour! Usually - and in terms of speed. In addition, the maintenance of the helicopter is much more difficult and expensive, and the service life is much shorter!
By definition, the An-2 Ka-60 cannot be a replacement! Because has a cost of almost an order of magnitude more, much more cost of a flight hour, and it (like all helicopters) is much more difficult to operate, i.e. there and in such conditions, in which the "Annushka" was operated, sometimes it is simply impossible to operate the Ka-62! And not because the Ka-62 is bad! But because he - helicopter!

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Piramidon

The operating cost crushes all these benefits.

Quote: RealPilot

Well, refusals in flight are more dangerous for a helicopter.

Quote: venik

Not only the helipad ...

This - yes ... Here, of course, not like just now ... Thank you for making me understand. Otherwise I could not understand why and why ...

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You correctly noticed the price. Only when it feels like it or "urgently needs to be done", they no longer look at the price ... By the way, who said that the price of a helicopter should be an order of magnitude higher than the price of an aircraft? Serdyukov prescribed it? And there are such comparisons:

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For yourself (if you had to) which option would you choose?
But!!! Deep to you "merci". How glad it is to realize that a great many specialists have appeared in the ranks of VO users, distinguishing an airplane from a helicopter. Do you know how an airplane differs from an accessory that separates grandfather and grandmother?

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The plane, when it rises, becomes smaller ...

[businessv]

Quote: ROSS 42

How glad it is to realize that a great many specialists have appeared in the ranks of VO users, distinguishing an airplane from a helicopter. Do you know how an airplane differs from an accessory that separates grandfather and grandmother

Greetings colleague! Usually I like your posts, but this one could not approve, vtyuhala sleeper for incorrect assessment of the post from RealPilot. Forgive me, but I think that there was an overkill on your part.

[Piramidon]

Quote: ROSS 42

You correctly noticed the price. Only when it comes down to it or "it is urgently needed on business", they no longer look at the price.

But you are drowning in order not only "when it will," but generally replace the An-2 with helicopters.

Isn't it a replacement for the An-2?

[Rzzz]

Quote: ROSS 42

Isn't it a replacement for the An-2?

The fact that the An-2 has a 1000 hp engine, and during horizontal flight, it is loaded well, somewhere around half of the rated power. And eats fuel accordingly.
The helicopter has two 1776 hp motors, the load depends on the weight and speed. You can estimate the amount of fuel burned.
And the motors are Turbomeca. This is certainly good for export, but clearly more expensive for operation here (protective duties on spare parts, thanks to import substitution).

[ender]

created an excellent helicopter and some pretty good fortunes.


TASS learned about the initiation of theft cases during the creation of the Ka-62 helicopter
Cases were initiated against employees of the Russian Helicopters holding, the Kamov company and the Ministry of Industry and Trade, and the amount of embezzlement amounted to 3,6 billion rubles, the agency's source said.


https://www.rbc.ru/society/17/10/2020/5f8a42019a7947082e2c5446

[seregin-s1]

The Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation initiated three criminal cases at once on the basis of embezzlement in the amount of about 3,6 billion rubles during the construction and design of the Ka-62 helicopter.
The source reports that the persons involved in the case are officials related to the Russian Helicopters holding and the Kamov company, as well as to the RF Ministry of Industry and Trade. This is reported by TASS, citing its own source in law enforcement agencies.
Source: https://versia.ru/sk-rassleduet-xishheniya-pri-stroitelstve-i-konstruirovanii-vertolyota-ka-62--ushherb-ocenivaetsya-v-poryadka-36-mlrd-rublej

[Fungus]

Good helicopter turned out

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Fungus

Good helicopter turned out

If you look at the price:

But the main buyers of intermediate class helicopters are oilmen - only they are able to pay such a price for a helicopter. A kilogram of a finished car costs about 2 thousand dollars, multiply by its weight in the region of 6,5 tons and we get the cost of the helicopter in the region of $ 13 million. About the same amount will have to be paid for its operation for 20 years.

For a transport worker? Or does he simultaneously give out a map of oil fields in flight and knock down competitors?

At the same time, Russian prices traditionally looked much more attractive on the market. Although the price of the Ka-62 will still grow, since this machine is equipped with foreign units - there is a French engine and an Austrian transmission", - comments FBA" Economy today "Evgeny Matveev.

But the helicopter itself is Russian ... Like oil and gas that lie on the territory of the Russian Federation ...
Next comes the song:

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[Mountain shooter]

Great machine. The weight return is impressive. 2.5 tons with 6.5 tons of takeoff weight ... And the landings ... it's a criminal case ... So the helicopter is not to blame for this. Most likely, they found the misuse of funds, or the estimates are too high ... Modern managers have such problems. Rollbacks have become very difficult to hide.

[Vadim237]

To this news one should add how 2013 billion rubles were hanging on the creation of this helicopter from 2016 to 3,6.

[cmax]

Quote: Vadim237

To this news one should add how 2013 billion rubles were hanging on the creation of this helicopter from 2016 to 3,6.

Damn, well, when will they bail !!!

[Vadim237]

Well, judging by how a criminal case was recently brought against these guys - they, apart from the prison gruel, will not be able to eat anything else, and all their property with accounts will be arrested in favor of the state.

[cmax]

Quote: Vadim237

Well, judging by how a criminal case was recently brought against these guys - they, apart from the prison gruel, will not be able to eat anything else, and all their property with accounts will be arrested in favor of the state.

I would not be so optimistic. The story with Vasilyeva shows its ambiguity. She is free and even with money, but she still had to sit and sit. But!

[faiver]

You surprise me, is there really only Vasilyeva at large and with money, one of those who are supposed to sit? And in China or Thailand, such people are shot pretty quickly ...

[Whirlwind]

Hurry to conclusions, dear ...

[Saxahorse]

As usual I am afraid to ask whose engine and whose avionics? Suddenly again we find out that the Rolls-Royce engine and its "someday" will be localized .. And the fact that for some reason the avionics is French or American, everyone has long been accustomed to it ..

[Rzzz]

If you try to sell for export, then it is more profitable to do with imported motors and devices. So that the buyer can provide the service in his country. And then our managers for some reason believe that the main thing is to sell, and then - at least the grass does not grow. They were revealingly fucked up with the superjet, not providing the buyer with service, if this happens here, then our aviation industry will generally start to bypass.

[Saxahorse]

Quote: rzzz

They were revealingly fucked up with the superjet, not providing the buyer with service.

There is such garbage. The Mexican airline stepped on this rake hard. "Suddenly" it turned out that the Superjet is certified only in Europe, and it cannot be serviced at American airfields. On the other hand, this is a clear step up for our beloved "partners" from the United States. The superjet was designed with the help of Boeing, and the fact that the Americans suddenly refused to certify it is very symptomatic. After all, it was made with an emphasis on American standards ..

[faiver]

Maybe someone will remind - French engines, Austrian transmission and gearbox? Or has something changed?
I don’t even remember that it has been created for thirty years ...

[viktor_ui]

another long-term construction from the 90's ... memories from Battlefield 3 flooded for what it is, that something - "the history of Narnia" apparently

[Alex 2020]

Work on the KA-60/62 project began in 1984, almost 40 years have passed (more precisely, 36). Even if you throw out the period of marked and drunk, it still took a lot of time for this long-suffering project.

[jaroff]

I saw two copies recently at the LII airfield