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"Conflict in Karabakh may affect the independence of Georgia and Azerbaijan" - Spanish press

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"Conflict in Karabakh may affect the independence of Georgia and Azerbaijan" - Spanish press

The military conflict on the territory of Nagorno-Karabakh between Armenia and Azerbaijan may have negative consequences for European energy security, as well as affect the independence of Azerbaijan and Georgia. This is the conclusion reached by the author of the Spanish edition El País.


According to the author, in addition to the military conflict that broke out in the Caucasus, there is also an energy one. In early October, Baku accused Yerevan of attacking the energy corridor formed by the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan (BTC) oil pipeline and the South Caucasus gas pipeline (SCP).

The oil pipeline and gas pipeline run parallel along the Caspian Sea to Turkey through the territories of Azerbaijan and Georgia, but their important section runs very close to the border of both countries with Armenia. BTC is the main access corridor for Caspian oil to world markets. Oil is supplied mainly to Turkey, Italy and Israel, as well as to countries such as Spain.

SCP is part of the EU's southern gas corridor, but so far the bulk of Azerbaijani gas is exported to Turkey. The pipeline is expected to begin transporting gas to the Trans-Anatolian Gas Pipeline (TANAP), which connects Turkey's border with Greece with the Trans-Adriatic Gas Pipeline (TAP), later this year.

In the event of a military conflict, the likelihood of damage to the oil and gas pipelines increases with disruption of oil and gas supplies to Europe. However, the author argues, this will not affect the energy independence of Europe, since the European Union is "drowning" in American and Qatari LNG supplied at low prices.

(...) given the objectives of decarbonizing Europe and the abundance of gas import infrastructure that is partially idle, the EU's gas import infrastructure needs are diminishing

- writes El País

Thus, according to the newspaper, the geopolitical significance of the Southern Gas Corridor is gradually decreasing, and the blockade of the Caucasian gas corridor will not have a strong impact on European energy security. At the same time, the ongoing military conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan may affect oil supplies from the Caspian, which in turn will deal a strong blow to the economies of Azerbaijan and Georgia, which have large transit revenues.

And along with a blow to the economy, a blow will also be struck at the alleged independence of Azerbaijan and Georgia from Russia, which was the initial geopolitical goal of the construction of the Caucasus energy corridor.

- summarizes the author.
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  1. aszzz888
    aszzz888 17 October 2020 11: 23
    +2
    One of the main causes of wars is energy resources. There may be wars for fresh water soon.
    1. Sandor Clegane
      Sandor Clegane 17 October 2020 11: 30
      +5
      Quote: aszzz888
      fresh water wars

      already, Egypt-Sudan is practically a hot phase ((
      1. aszzz888
        aszzz888 17 October 2020 11: 32
        +1

        Sandor Kligan (Danila Dmitrievich)
        Today, 11: 30

        0
        Quote: aszzz888
        fresh water wars

        already, Egypt-Sudan is practically a hot phase ((
        "It's only the beginning!"
      2. Machito
        Machito 17 October 2020 11: 37
        +3
        One of the reasons for the war in Syria and Iraq is the waters of the Tigris and Euphrates.
      3. MTN
        MTN 17 October 2020 12: 46
        -1
        Quote: Sandor Clegane
        already, Egypt-Sudan is practically a hot phase ((

        In my opinion, Gaddafi also got it because of the channel from central Africa
      4. kenig1
        kenig1 18 October 2020 08: 11
        0
        Egypt and Ethiopia are also on the agenda.
    2. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 17 October 2020 11: 32
      +3
      Long gone.
      Ever since there was a free market for oil and liquefied gas on tankers.
      You can buy a tanker from anywhere. The price does not depend on the distance to the place
      extraction of raw materials. And so with most natural resources. Delivery is very
      dynamic, third-hand, private vessels.
      Wars for fresh water are also in question. Those who have access to the sea
      can always build a desalination plant. Technology has been simplified.
      1. aszzz888
        aszzz888 17 October 2020 11: 35
        -2

        voyaka uh (Alexey)
        Today, 11: 32

        0
        Long gone.
        Ever since there was a free market for oil and liquefied gas on tankers.
        You can buy a tanker from anywhere.
        The only thing left to do is to have a huge amount of dough to provide for any seedy state.
        Wars for fresh water are also in question. Those who have access to the sea
        can always build a desalination plant.
        And those who do not?
      2. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 17 October 2020 11: 40
        0
        New video from the Azerbaijani Armed Forces. Perhaps your Laura has worked.
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 17 October 2020 11: 58
          10
          More impressive videos appeared there: how drones destroy infantry
          in trenches and trenches. Terrible to look at. sad
          Direct hits "in the helmet".
          Bodies fly through the air. There have never been such videos. stop
          1. OgnennyiKotik
            OgnennyiKotik 17 October 2020 12: 04
            +2
            Quote: voyaka uh
            More impressive videos appeared there: how drones destroy infantry

            And I will not say that Azerbaijan has the best UAVs in the world at the moment. All that is in service is the level of the early 20th century. The latest developments of the USA and Israel (possibly China) are qualitatively better, it scares.
            1. MTN
              MTN 17 October 2020 12: 48
              -8
              Quote: OgnennyiKotik
              And I will not say that Azerbaijan has the best UAVs in the world at the moment.

              The highest quality drones from Israel and the United States. Azerbaijan and Israel have the latest drones.
          2. MTN
            MTN 17 October 2020 12: 05
            -5
            Quote: voyaka uh
            Direct hits "on the helmet." Bodies fly through the air. There have never been such videos.

            https://video.azertag.az/files/video/2020/3/16029197403613434723.mp4 вот это видео. Армения не надо было стрелять в Гянджу. Кстати Азербайджанская сторона подбила Армянский Су-25 и Физули захватил.
          3. OgnennyiKotik
            OgnennyiKotik 17 October 2020 12: 23
            0
            Quote: voyaka uh
            in trenches and trenches. Terrible to look at.

            New portion of video. Terrible weapons do not see, do not run away, do not hide. At 10 seconds, you can directly see how the drone flies into the entrance of the bunker.
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 17 October 2020 15: 22
              +4
              Yes, strike UAVs with mini missiles and gliding bombs and kamikaze drones are very effective and dangerous.
              1. OgnennyiKotik
                OgnennyiKotik 17 October 2020 15: 34
                +2
                When these things come to the battlefield, it will be really scary for those who do not have them.

                1. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 17 October 2020 15: 50
                  0
                  In Russia, such kamikaze drones based on Tornado G shells can throw devices 30 kilometers with the help of a TTRD and then fly and search for targets for another 150 kilometers and warheads you can do whatever you want: shock cores to destroy armored vehicles, high-explosive fragmentation, volumetric explosion, incendiary, penetrating cumulative high-explosive fragmentation incendiary anti-radar for the destruction of bunkers bunkers bunkers of caponiers.
                2. avebersek
                  avebersek 17 October 2020 21: 53
                  0
                  These things need to be guarded, masked, and protected. As the videos from the conflict zone show, drones destroy the tank on the march, so this is not a panacea.
            2. Archon
              Archon 18 October 2020 08: 19
              0
              Perhaps one of the main conclusions from the video is that it is deadly, to the maximum, to group more than one person.
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      4. Kot_Kuzya
        Kot_Kuzya 17 October 2020 17: 27
        +2
        To desalinate seawater, a breakthrough of energy is required, that is, huge costs are needed, it is necessary to build a special thermal power plant and purchase gas for it, or build a nuclear power plant. Where did countries like Somalia get the money for?
        1. Petro_tut
          Petro_tut 17 October 2020 17: 40
          +1
          It takes a burst of energy to desalinate seawater,

          Here, a colleague, you did not take into account that a shortage of fresh water is observed in countries with arid climates, and there is an abundance of solar energy, even during the Soviet Union in the Crimea, successful experiments were carried out on desalination of water due to solar heating by focusing sunlight, ... hi
          1. Jager
            Jager 19 October 2020 13: 13
            0
            Only at the same time, for some reason, a nuclear power plant was being built nearby.
            By the way, near the station there was an experimental testing ground - solar panels and wind turbines. And this is still in the USSR.
      5. avebersek
        avebersek 17 October 2020 21: 52
        0
        Simplified, but how much cheaper? Some countries do not have access to the sea-ocean.
    3. Captain Pushkin
      Captain Pushkin 17 October 2020 12: 05
      +3
      Quote: aszzz888
      Soon ... there will be wars for fresh water.

      Turkey-Syria and Israel-Syria, a significant component of the conflicts is precisely control over water resources.
    4. Thrifty
      Thrifty 17 October 2020 12: 17
      0
      Here, all around Russia is to blame fool fool ! In Spain, why is there something on the planet for which the Kremlin's hand would reach ????? belay recourse
    5. Alex Justice
      Alex Justice 18 October 2020 17: 10
      -1
      The time will come when the European line with mugs will be to Baikal.
  2. tuts
    tuts 17 October 2020 11: 27
    +9
    moving oil through a pipe, as well as gas, is much cheaper than by tankers
    The cost of freight (sea freight) of oil costs from $ 65 to $ 000 per day, depending on the volume. At the same time, the port is not always able to accept a ship and it just stands at sea. In this case, the daily fee continues to be paid in full.
  3. fedorina maria
    fedorina maria 17 October 2020 11: 29
    -28 qualifying.
    https://t.me/rusvesnasu/4583 грохнули ещё одну распиаренную с-300
    1. MTN
      MTN 17 October 2020 11: 40
      -10 qualifying.
      Quote: Maria Fedorina
      banged another popular s-300

      Take a look at this video. This is TIN!

      https://video.azertag.az/files/video/2020/3/16029197403613434723.mp4
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 17 October 2020 11: 45
        +6
        These 300s from the 80s of the posture - groove - the day before yesterday, and also the operators of the brakes. That's the bottom line.
        1. MTN
          MTN 17 October 2020 11: 49
          -6
          Quote: Vadim237
          These 300s are still 80s

          Vadim, this video is not about 300, but something else. This is tin. Take a look.
      2. fedorina maria
        fedorina maria 17 October 2020 11: 50
        -18 qualifying.
        Already looked. On RV. That's all I'm waiting for when at least one victory of the S-300 will be shown. Yes, you can see the s-300 at the range can shoot down straight-flying blanks.
        1. Kart
          Kart 19 October 2020 13: 02
          +2
          Calm down, son.
          You were told - here it is neither for the Armenians nor for your Azerbaijanis.
      3. Yalquzaq
        Yalquzaq 17 October 2020 11: 52
        -13 qualifying.
        This is revenge for Ganja !. Azerbaijani artillery - scatter Armenian 200.
        1. MTN
          MTN 17 October 2020 12: 08
          -5
          Quote: Yalquzaq
          This is revenge for Ganja !. Azerbaijani artillery - scatter Armenian 200.

          Shooting at civilians is a desperate step for Armenians. I think who gives the order to shoot at the civilian population of Ganja, it is not that they should be tried, the Armenians should be given it to the Hague tribunal, knowing that there will be revenge, he kills not only the civilian population of Azerbaijan but his soldiers with his order.
          1. avebersek
            avebersek 17 October 2020 21: 57
            +1
            It seems to me personally that the Armenians are in the worst situation. that's why they provoke Ayzerbajan to transfer military actions to Armenia, where we will fight under the CSTO agreement. But Ayzerbajantsi will not be fools.
        2. Yalquzaq
          Yalquzaq 17 October 2020 13: 10
          -11 qualifying.
          compulsion to peace - Armenian 200. For Ganja!
        3. Petro_tut
          Petro_tut 17 October 2020 17: 45
          +2
          This video should lead the Armenians to the idea of ​​better monitoring the sky, since the target designation drone was hanging directly above the position.
      4. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 17 October 2020 12: 40
        +8
        The plate is complete. Gunboat of Europeans against the natives. The Armenians had to dig tunnels, not trenches, after the Palestinian model
        1. Yalquzaq
          Yalquzaq 17 October 2020 12: 51
          -9
          Quote: Krasnodar
          digging tunnels

          to dig graves ... for every child they will answer in full.!
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 17 October 2020 12: 55
            +7
            I am not a party to the conflict, but if I am not mistaken, the Azerbaijani Armed Forces were the first to attack Stepanakert. Condolences to the parents and relatives of the dead people on both sides!
            1. Yalquzaq
              Yalquzaq 17 October 2020 13: 00
              -7
              everyone has their own truth hi
              1. Kart
                Kart 19 October 2020 13: 03
                +2
                You and them will die anyway.
                Together with the truth.
          2. Jager
            Jager 19 October 2020 13: 16
            +1
            Where did so many Azerbots come from?
    2. Sidor Amenpodestovich
      Sidor Amenpodestovich 17 October 2020 11: 55
      +1
      Quote: Maria Fedorina
      banged another popular s-300

      Interestingly, in Syria (and Iran) S-300s are being destroyed by Jews at the same rate, or is the climate special only in Karabakh?
      Please enlighten. Apparently, you have already completely and thoroughly figured out everything.

      Yes, and tell me, for what purpose do you conduct propaganda on the Russian website? So that everyone is in awe of the overwhelming power of the Azerbaijani army, equipped with the world's best Turkish-Israeli weapons?
      1. fedorina maria
        fedorina maria 17 October 2020 12: 02
        -19 qualifying.
        I will answer you - that truthful facts are not propaganda. And propaganda tells that the Russian air defense will shoot down any target, that the Russian air defense is the best in the world. This is propaganda. On Soloviev TV Prpaganda
        1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
          Sidor Amenpodestovich 17 October 2020 12: 08
          +6
          Quote: Maria Fedorina
          I will answer you - truthful facts are not propaganda. And the propaganda tells that the Russian air defense will shoot down any target, that the Russian air defense is the best in the world. This is propaganda.

          What are the facts? Have you personally been there and seen everything?
          I'm amazed! How can you call a fact that you have not witnessed?
          It is a fact, for example, that you are now communicating with me in the comments of the VO, since this can be easily verified and confirmed.
          And what you cannot personally confirm is nothing more than your subjective assumption.
          If you have a college degree, then you should have studied logic.

          And the second thing. I repeat my question: what are you trying to achieve? AllVoshny admission that Russian air defense is junk? On what grounds? Because it will amuse your PCS? Then you need to go to Ukrainian sites, but here such primitivism does not work.
          1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 17 October 2020 12: 49
            +1
            ... that Russian air defense is junk? On what grounds?

            Are there examples of successful combat use of the S-300?
            1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
              Sidor Amenpodestovich 17 October 2020 12: 55
              -1
              Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
              Are there examples of successful combat use of the S-300?

              Obviously, you haven't studied logic either.
            2. Vadim237
              Vadim237 17 October 2020 15: 27
              +3
              There is not a single documented case at all 300ki, like all other air defense systems - they will work effectively only in a single air defense system, but an important role in their effectiveness is played by operators, their reaction skills, coherence, etc. For the Armenians, nothing of the above is observed at all, therefore, the effectiveness of their air defense is in fact equal to zero.
            3. Petro_tut
              Petro_tut 17 October 2020 17: 49
              +3
              Excluding the "iron dome" Name another high-quality air defense?
              And then, the iron dome was never overloaded with massive drone attacks like armor in Libya
          2. fedorina maria
            fedorina maria 17 October 2020 13: 20
            -10 qualifying.
            First, why should I be there. And so everything is clear enough.
            Second, I'm not getting anywhere. I am translating facts. I don't need recognition. And the fact that the Russian air defense is junk is your words. I say that the s-300 and other systems do not fulfill their tasks, and that one should less believe the propaganda from you box
          3. Kart
            Kart 19 October 2020 13: 05
            +1
            Yes, it's a running troll. Why are you trying to argue with him, and even explain something?
            With this, only one thing reaches the waist of the wooden ones - with a rag on the hara.
            It is a pity that VO is playing with freedom of opinion. Such people come running.
        2. Paranoid50
          Paranoid50 17 October 2020 13: 09
          +6
          Quote: Maria Fedorina
          I will answer you-

          Masha, little skull-child, milk runs away there. yes
          1. fedorina maria
            fedorina maria 17 October 2020 14: 02
            -11 qualifying.
            It was your brains that ran out and ran away from Vera in the Russian air defense. :)
            The s-300 made excellent targets.
            1. Sergej1972
              Sergej1972 18 October 2020 14: 05
              +3
              Continuing the theme. The Azerbaijani Defense Ministry today boasted that the outdated S-125 complex, modernized by Belarusians, shot down the Su-25 Armenian Air Force attack aircraft. So, the S-300 for the Armenians is a bad Russian air defense system, and the outdated Soviet S-125 for the Azerbaijanis or the new Russian S-400 for the Turks is it already good air defense?
              1. Kart
                Kart 19 October 2020 13: 06
                +2
                Well, of course.
                This troll defecates here for this very purpose - to water everything that is somehow connected with Russia, and ignite the next battle.
                Judging by the hysterical stupidity-it seems Svidomo came running.
        3. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 18 October 2020 00: 36
          +3
          And where is the air defense of Russia? Why did the Turks buy the S-400, did they test it the other day and are very pleased with the results?
    3. Pashhenko Nikolay
      Pashhenko Nikolay 17 October 2020 13: 09
      +2
      A very compelling video.
  4. RealPilot
    RealPilot 17 October 2020 11: 30
    +3
    And along with a blow to the economy, a blow will also be struck at the alleged independence of Azerbaijan and Georgia from Russia, which was the initial geopolitical goal of the construction of the Caucasus energy corridor.


    That is, they do not care about the consequences of the wars, they just want to tear the former republics away from Russia ... And even gas is not that important.
    At least honestly started talking about it!
  5. fedorina maria
    fedorina maria 17 October 2020 11: 31
    -22 qualifying.
    https://t.me/rusvesnasu/4582. Полное превосходство Азербайджана. Десятки погибших армянских солдат. Уничтожение бронетехники,позиций,артилерии
  6. Observer2014
    Observer2014 17 October 2020 11: 32
    -2
    Why should Russia worry about their Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan? request And even more so, some sort of SСP. And much more. Russia has one task. Prevent the Armenian genocide in Armenia. As the map goes on, the ball is on the side of Yerevan and Baku. They are now the main players there. We are just watching.
    1. iouris
      iouris 17 October 2020 11: 45
      +5
      Quote: Observer2014
      Russia has one task. Prevent the Armenian genocide in Armenia.

      You and I know what Russia's task is: to survive. It will be very difficult.
      There is no Armenian genocide in Armenia, but there is a "truce" in Karabakh.
      But the topic is different. I think the "Spanish press" is right.
    2. Gubernia
      Gubernia 17 October 2020 11: 45
      +2
      Quote: Observer2014
      Russia has one task. Prevent the Armenian genocide in Armenia. As the map goes on, the ball is on the side of Yerevan and Baku. They are now the main players there. We are just watching.

      You can't argue here ... But Russia, while Pashinyan is in power, is unlikely to get normal support, as prescribed in the CSTO ... It clearly smacks of provocation and is very serious for Russia!
      1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 17 October 2020 15: 46
        0
        ... But Russia, while Pashinyan is in power, is unlikely to get normal support, as it is written in the CSTO.

        And what is written in the CSTO? Armenia was subjected to aggression? NKR - the territory of Armenia? Or, perhaps, NKR is an associative member of the UDKB? Why should I be afraid to include the mechanisms of the Treaty here? Why should he suddenly be an instrument of unresolved territorial disputes?
    3. MTN
      MTN 17 October 2020 11: 45
      0
      Quote: Observer2014
      Prevent the Armenian genocide in Armenia.

      If from the territory of Armenia, they do not shoot at the neighbors, nothing will happen to them.
    4. bang
      bang 17 October 2020 13: 26
      +8
      Russia has one task. Prevent the Armenian genocide in Armenia.
      Russia has the task of defending its interests, and not being a plug in every barrel. If the Armenian diaspora around the world allows Pashinyan to provoke the Armenian genocide in Armenia, Russia, then why worry more about the Armenians themselves?
      The civilian population has become, as always, a bargaining chip in politics.
      1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 17 October 2020 13: 59
        0
        Quote: bang-bong
        Russia has one task. Prevent the Armenian genocide in Armenia.
        Russia has the task of defending its interests, and not being a plug in every barrel.


        They wrote everything correctly. I agree with the comment.
    5. Kot_Kuzya
      Kot_Kuzya 17 October 2020 17: 36
      +3
      Quote: Observer2014
      Russia has one task. Prevent the Armenian Genocide in Armenia.

      Russia has one task - the interests of its own citizens are above all. Why should Russia harness itself to Armenians and spoil relations with Baku? Why should a Russian or Buryat soldier die for the interests of Armenia? A million Armenians live in Russia, so let them go to defend Ridna Nenka. For a Russian or a Buryat, this is someone else's war. In 1914, we stood up for the "brothers" - Serbs, and we know perfectly well how it all ended for Russia and its citizens - a catastrophe and tens of millions killed and died from hunger and disease.
  7. Keyser soze
    Keyser soze 17 October 2020 11: 32
    -3
    Well, Azerbaijan is already lost - there is one people, two powers, the army is ruled by the Turks, and a week ago Erdogad twice repeated "our land" in one speech, speaking about Karabakh. We are no longer talking about independence.
    Georgia and Ukraine are allies of the Turks, so we'll see what's next on the Turk's list. Although Bagdasarov has already explained ...
    1. MTN
      MTN 17 October 2020 11: 42
      -4
      Quote: Keyser Soze
      Well Azerbaijan is already lost

      In your dream? Or in dreams? Are you not standing in front of Turkey in the pose of a running Egyptian? I'm talking about Bulgaria
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 17 October 2020 11: 48
      -6
      You'd better speak honestly about the losses of the Armed Forces of Armenia and Karabakh - do not fill in tales about "Well, Azerbaijan is already lost - there is one people, two powers, the army is controlled by the Turks"
      1. MTN
        MTN 17 October 2020 11: 59
        -7
        Quote: Vadim237
        You'd better speak honestly about the losses of the Armed Forces of Armenia and Karabakh - do not fill in tales about "Well, Azerbaijan is already lost - there is one people, two powers, the army is controlled by the Turks"

        Vadim, of course, thank you for your feedback to this Bulgarian comrade, but in the end you were not much mistaken. The army is not controlled by Turkey. The officer corps is trained by Turkey - I believe in it. There is such a thing. Our officers studied in Turkey. I will even believe that Israeli instructors are being trained - although I have no information about this, I also believe in this, but it is not true that the Azerbaijani army is controlled by the Turks.
    3. iouris
      iouris 17 October 2020 12: 10
      +3
      Nothing is lost because everything fell apart. On these ruins, someone will be able to create something viable, but someone will not be lucky ...
    4. Thunder
      Thunder 17 October 2020 12: 21
      -1
      "our land" speaking about Karabakh, he spoke on behalf of Azerbaijan in his speech, see specialized translations and stop broadcasting Armenian radio ...
      And do not quote Bagdasarov, you better think that you are doing so badly that Georgia, Azerbaijan, Iran, all the border countries do not support you; even with Russia they managed to prove themselves ...
      And change the profile, it is clear to everyone that you are Ashot ...
      1. MTN
        MTN 17 October 2020 12: 52
        -4
        Quote: Thunder
        And do not quote Baghdasarov, you better think that you are doing so badly that Georgia, Azerbaijan, Iran, all the border countries do not support you; even with Russia they managed to prove themselves ...

        very correct advice ...
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    6. Simargl
      Simargl 17 October 2020 13: 59
      +2
      Quote: Keyser Soze
      Georgia and Ukraine are allies of the Turks, so we'll see what's next on the Turk's list. Although Bagdasarov has already explained ...
      Yes ... they have already forgotten their history. It remains to "get a deuce" ...
  8. Gubernia
    Gubernia 17 October 2020 11: 40
    -1
    BTC is the main access corridor for Caspian oil to world markets. Oil is supplied mainly to Turkey, Italy and Israel, as well as to countries such as Spain.

    Now it is clear why there is such hysteria in all the world's media and support for Azerbaijan ..
    Russia is silent and concentrates, recalling the anti-Russian protests in Yerevan and the change of power to Pashinyan .. Links of one chain, I think .. Aliyev with the support of Turkey, etc. went to Va-Bank Pushed him to this .. Well well
    1. MTN
      MTN 17 October 2020 12: 03
      -2
      Quote: Gubernia
      Russia is silent and concentrated, recalling the anti-Russian protests in Yerevan and the change of power to Pashinyan ..

      Please tell me, do you need an alliance with those who do not respect you? If the government was anti-Russian, I would have kept silent, read their resources and websites. There a commoner offends Russia and at the same time brazenly wants to involve Russia in the war. This is mean. It turns out when you need an ally and when not, you are an occupier. I saw such allies in the grave.

      Quote: Gubernia
      Aliyev with the support of Turkey, etc. went to Va-Bank

      You're not right. Armenia is the Petrovsky project, don't you think Aliyev went for it without the green light from the Kremlin? I just think what is the price of this green light from the Kremlin. Azerbaijan in the CSTO? Azerbaijani resources to Russia? I do not know. But do not underestimate the relationship between Moscow and Baku.
      1. Gubernia
        Gubernia 17 October 2020 12: 17
        +3
        Quote: MTN
        Please tell me, do you need an alliance with those who do not respect you?

        Well, who came to power is not yet the opinion of the people .. Russia is an example of this hi
        Quote: MTN
        You're not right. Armenia is the Petrovsky project, don't you think Aliyev went for it without the green light from the Kremlin?

        Well, maybe a good version of the development of events .. Maybe they even gave the go-ahead for this adventure If Armenia does not listen to Russia and humiliates it in every possible way ..
        Quote: MTN
        I just think what is the price of this green light from the Kremlin. Azerbaijan in the CSTO? Azerbaijani resources to Russia? I do not know. But do not underestimate the relationship between Moscow and Baku.

        Azerbaijan was pretty neutral towards Russia, like Israel .. From which it received shock drones and everyone knew this and kept silent
        They want to tear Azerbaijan away from Turkey and Israel, too much "love" arose there ..
        Iran-Russia!
        For example, I could be mediators in this conflict! How do you like that?
        I don’t like it, of course, but the best option would be to create peace, etc.
        PEACE FOR EVERYONE ! hi
        1. MTN
          MTN 17 October 2020 12: 26
          +1
          Quote: Gubernia
          Well, who came to power is not yet the opinion of the people .. Russia is an example of this

          With posters in Yerevan with the words Russia, the occupier does not show the power but the people. In the network, they also write not the authorities but the commoner. Remember Simonyan, the head of Rashn Today wrote about Pashinyan, Armenians not only from Armenia but from all over the world insulted her. You do not understand?

          Quote: Gubernia
          Maybe they even gave the go-ahead for this adventure

          Adventure? )))))))))))))) Actually, Azerbaijan has the right.

          Quote: Gubernia
          Azerbaijan wants to be torn away from Turkey and Israel

          It's impossible.
    2. iouris
      iouris 17 October 2020 12: 14
      +3
      Quote: Gubernia
      Russia is silent and concentrated

      Maybe the computer just "froze"?
      1. Gubernia
        Gubernia 17 October 2020 12: 41
        -2
        Quote: iouris
        Quote: Gubernia
        Russia is silent and concentrated

        Maybe the computer just "froze"?

        And this too .. The bastard hangs constantly, if you try to write something from the heart .. lol
        Quote: MTN
        Remember Simonyan, the head of Rashn Today wrote about Pashinyan, Armenians not only from Armenia but from all over the world insulted her. You do not understand?

        Yes, I don’t understand anything about the Armenians .. But for Armenia I understand that we cannot surrender it to Russia, no matter what it costs us .. Our ancestors defended her and she supplied us with her talented sons, military designers, etc. (Mikoyans alone are worth something)
        And then how will it turn out .. soldier
        Let's surrender Armenia, Russia Khan! hi
        1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 17 October 2020 13: 09
          -1
          ... Let's surrender Armenia, Russia Khan!

          Only there is no need to clamor. Or are you broadcasting on behalf of the two million Armenians living in Russia?
          1. Gubernia
            Gubernia 17 October 2020 13: 27
            +2
            Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            ... Let's surrender Armenia, Russia Khan!

            Only there is no need to clamor. Or are you broadcasting on behalf of the two million Armenians living in Russia?

            And where does the 2 million Armenians living in Russia? Armenia is in danger, are you walking again with genocide? And for the Russians to harness? And you comedy-club giggled and other media?
            We know this has already passed more than once ..
            Go and save Armenia and its historical heritage until they are bombed, as in Serbia ..

            Such things can happen in Armenia too ... And you are sitting in Russia like ...
            1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
              Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 17 October 2020 13: 50
              -3
              ... Go and save Armenia

              Who are you talking to?
              ... Armenia is in danger, are you walking again with genocide?

              Let there be no genocide, enough hysteria.
        2. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 17 October 2020 13: 50
          +5
          Mikoyan, if I'm not mistaken, was a designer-administrator. The net designer was people from the meanly bombing Syria today - Gurevich))
        3. iouris
          iouris 17 October 2020 16: 54
          +1
          Quote: Gubernia
          The bastard hangs constantly, if you try to write something from the heart ..

          It means that the computer is hanging. Means, they call the sysadmin and the hardware specialist. Dialog.
          What doesn't work for you?
          Everything doesn't work!
          What did you do?
          We didn’t do anything!
        4. Kot_Kuzya
          Kot_Kuzya 17 October 2020 17: 43
          +1
          Quote: Gubernia
          We will hand over Armenia, Russia Khan

          Oh how! The Armenians even surpassed the saucepans in their conceit. They also shouted that without Ukraine, Russia is a khan. I didn't even know that without Armenia Russia would have collapsed long ago. Well thank you, benefactors and protectors you are ours wassat
  9. rocket757
    rocket757 17 October 2020 11: 56
    0
    Well, yes, Russia is the only one to do with it, but there are no more interested parties at all?
    1. Gubernia
      Gubernia 17 October 2020 12: 28
      +2
      Quote: rocket757
      Well, yes, Russia is the only one to do with it, but there are no more interested parties at all?

      Russia usually always fights alone, and then the "soyuznichki" pull up .. It has always been this way and I think it will be .. Russia is a generous soul and this is actively used all over the world ..
      Damn them all (joke))))
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 17 October 2020 13: 03
        +4
        In any joke, there is a share of ... pike. Some allies, partnerships, rafting anywhere, even to hell on Easter cakes!
        1. Gubernia
          Gubernia 17 October 2020 13: 07
          0
          Quote: rocket757
          In any joke, there is a share of ... pike. Some allies, partnerships, rafting anywhere, even to hell on Easter cakes!

          good Well, we live and survive Victor! And the devil is not our brother .. hi
      2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 17 October 2020 13: 51
        0
        ... Russia usually always fights alone, and then the "allies" catch up.

        An example of this 'always' possible? Or will we soar into the whistle?
        1. Old Kaa
          Old Kaa 18 October 2020 21: 51
          0
          Armenia beats alone as always
  10. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 17 October 2020 12: 07
    +1
    You might think this independence was.
  11. fedorina maria
    fedorina maria 17 October 2020 12: 15
    -10 qualifying.
    As for the new frames from the drones, the resolution is very good, the frames are clear, not blurry. I have the impression that these are new deliveries from Turkey of guidance systems and fixation systems. The first shots, which at the beginning of the conflict are not so clear at all
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 17 October 2020 15: 31
      +2
      These drones will soon have 4K image and 30x zoom.
  12. Operator
    Operator 17 October 2020 12: 25
    0
    "The importance of the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan (BTC) oil pipeline and the South Caucasian gas pipeline (SCP) is declining," comrades Azerbaijanis, you are going the right way laughing
  13. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 17 October 2020 13: 13
    0
    [Quote
    The oil pipeline and gas pipeline run parallel along the Caspian Sea to Turkey through the territories of Azerbaijan and Georgia, but their important section runs very close to the border of both countries with Armenia. ] [/ quote] The Russian base in Armenia was conceived as a checkpoint against the Turkish blaze /// The first is silent as a gopher / it is understandable, vegetable markets in all cities are controlled by Russian Ivans. how the bees work. That is the dream come true about miles of jobs. Even the thief principle trampled on --- you can't do it, don't promise \
  14. chingachguc
    chingachguc 17 October 2020 16: 38
    +1
    the conflict in the NKAO is fraught with growth - and unpredictable at that. It can go beyond the Transcaucasus and go to the Black Sea and even the Middle East. That's the danger. A lot of contradictions have actually accumulated there. Erdogan is largely to blame. I do not know what he is trying to achieve - but he aggravates absolutely all conflicts along the perimeter of Turkey and beyond. I have already reached Ukraine. To Pristina and Kosovo. To Qatar and Jerusalem. I feel it will end in a big war. And for us it is very undesirable now.
  15. One Uncle
    One Uncle 17 October 2020 16: 50
    +1
    Quote: Krasnodar
    I am not a party to the conflict, but if I am not mistaken, the Azerbaijani Armed Forces were the first to attack Stepanakert. Condolences to the parents and relatives of the dead people on both sides!

    Yes. Yesterday evening, Stepanakert was hit with the largest caliber since the beginning of hostilities.
  16. Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 17 October 2020 18: 04
    +2
    Quote: Maria Fedorina
    I will answer you - that truthful facts are not propaganda. And propaganda tells that the Russian air defense will shoot down any target, that the Russian air defense is the best in the world. This is propaganda. On Soloviev TV Prpaganda

    and that the Russian Federation has already begun to fight there? like no? do you really need it?