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"Failed idea": the United States rejected Putin's proposal to extend START-3 for a year

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"Failed idea": the United States rejected Putin's proposal to extend START-3 for a year

The United States rejected a proposal by Russian President Vladimir Putin to extend the Treaty on Measures to Further Reduce and Limit Strategic Offensive Arms (START, START-3) for at least one year without any additional conditions. This was stated by the US President's National Security Advisor Robert O'Brien.


O'Brien called Putin's proposal a "failure" without freezing the nuclear capabilities of both countries. According to him, Washington offered Moscow to extend the agreement in exchange for freezing the nuclear potential of the United States and Russia for a year.

Today's response from President Putin to extend the New START Treaty without taking into account the freeze on the nuclear arsenal is doomed to failure. The United States takes arms control seriously, which keeps the world safe. We hope Russia will reconsider its position before the costly arms race begins (...) would be a victory for both sides, and we thought the Russians were ready to accept this offer when I met with my colleague in Geneva

- said O'Brien.

Earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin proposed extending the START-3 treaty for at least one year without any additional conditions. According to him, the signing of the treaty will give the parties time to conduct meaningful negotiations, discussing all issues related to the limitation of nuclear weapons. Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov was instructed to try in the near future to get "at least some intelligible answer" from the United States.

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  1. cniza
    cniza 17 October 2020 08: 40 New
    +4
    We hope Russia will reconsider its position before the costly arms race begins


    So you want to spin it up and drag us there ...
    1. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 17 October 2020 08: 59 New
      10
      Failed idea ": the United States rejected Putin's proposal to extend the START-3 treaty for a year

      Putin threw a touchstone, knowing ahead of time the states' response. Well, as they say: "Our business is to offer, and yours to refuse!" yes
      1. cniza
        cniza 17 October 2020 11: 39 New
        +1
        Yes, it was clear that they would never agree, they would spin the flywheel to the fullest ...
      2. RealPilot
        RealPilot 17 October 2020 17: 31 New
        0
        Failed? No, RIGHT! fellow

        Now there is a pre-election struggle and political turbulence in the States.

        Trump currently wants "good new deals" in his favor. We don't need this, because he is incapable of negotiating and pulls the blanket only over himself. At the same time, in a year, if he remains, Trump will no longer worry about re-election, and will be able to agree to a pragmatic agreement.

        If Biden wins, he will extend START III as Democrats are in favor of an extension now. He will not be re-elected due to age and illness either - as they say, grandfather is old, he doesn't care.

        Vladimir Putin's idea is to reach a real agreement without political hysteria. That is why he is successful as a leader. good
    2. sabakina
      sabakina 17 October 2020 09: 09 New
      -1
      Quote: cniza
      So you want to spin it up and drag us there ...
      Vitya prYuvet! so it never stopped, since the days of the stick and the stone ... wink
      1. cniza
        cniza 17 October 2020 12: 25 New
        +2
        Hello !
        It was a difficult object, with a stick and a stone it was not scary at all and you could hide or run away ...
    3. Gubernia
      Gubernia 17 October 2020 09: 23 New
      +3
      Quote: cniza
      We hope Russia will reconsider its position before the costly arms race begins

      So you want to spin it up and drag us there ...

      That's right, Victor! An example of that is the USSR with SDI, the cunning Reagan caught us. Then
      Now they are also trying, then oil will be lowered to a minimum, then all sorts of sanctions are introduced (the United States has already recognized that sanctions on Russia have exhausted themselves ..., they do not work)
      I hope Russia will not get involved in the race especially .. The trick of the Russian weapon has always been simplicity and powerful destructive force, so to speak, a otvetka of the loan day (God forbid, of course) ..
      Oh, the Anglo-Saxons, what you were in your history, and so you have remained envious, greedy and double standards in politics ..
      God bless Russia! hi
      1. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 17 October 2020 09: 48 New
        +6
        Quote: Gubernia
        That's right, Victor! An example of that is the USSR with SDI, the cunning Reagan caught us. Then

        Everyone already knows that Reagan, with his Strategic Defense Initiative, got into a puddle himself - he had to abandon this venture. The USSR was not fooled by their SDI, our scientists said: let them build, and we will launch a bucket of nails into space and see how long their satellites fly by.
        The USSR collapsed not from SDI but from the fall in oil prices and venality in power! yes
        1. Gubernia
          Gubernia 17 October 2020 10: 25 New
          -5
          Quote: СРЦ П-15
          Everyone already knows that Reagan, with his Strategic Defense Initiative, got into a puddle himself - he had to abandon this venture.

          So the fact of the matter is that this idea was a bluff of cartoons that alerted the leadership of the USSR .. Let's admit it and the response began too expensive, just in the early 80s, there is also Afghan, etc. and the oil dropped and everything coincided.
          Quote: СРЦ П-15
          The USSR collapsed not from SDI but from the fall in oil prices and venality in power!

          The venality was Gorbach with Raika and other quiet singers who sat down in all state media (the same Gaidar is the editor-in-chief of the Kommunist magazine, Yakovlev is the ideologist of the CPSU Judas, etc.) The test shot was when sabotage with cigarettes began in the USSR .. This was the last humiliation of the Soviet people and the point of no return .. And then the process began. "freedom, democracy, collapse, enrichment and blood .." ..
          Thank God, they managed to stop at the last moment the already decided collapse of Russia and bloody turmoil.
          Try again now
          1. SRC P-15
            SRC P-15 17 October 2020 10: 35 New
            +3
            Quote: Gubernia
            Let's admit it and the response started too costly

            There was no costly return! Ours simply did not fall for Reagan's fantasies! When their experts calculated how many bucks his gamble would pour in, they realized that even the rich USA would not pull this SDI.
          2. Vadim237
            Vadim237 17 October 2020 11: 37 New
            -2
            So the fact of the matter is that this venture was a bluff of cartoons that alerted the leadership of the USSR .. But work on SDI cartoons were by no means spent on all these developments more than $ 100 billion, but the program indicated the appearance of such systems until 2025 - and yes, the Aegis system and the SM 3 rocket with orbital interceptors appeared just from SDI - and at the expense of drawing Russia into the arms race, we now spend 2.5 GDP on the military-industrial complex, and in the USSR more than 30% of the difference is significant, as you can see.
            1. Kerensky
              Kerensky 18 October 2020 02: 06 New
              0
              we now spend 2.5 GDP on the military-industrial complex, and in the USSR more than 30% was lowered on it

              Buy yourself a rooster and twirl the whites for it, but we don't need to twirl! The very same GDP, the percentage of which you operate on, now consists of speculative transactions on the stock exchange. Not even futures.
              In the USSR, the GDP was at least a sprat and a turnip, but it was.
      2. cniza
        cniza 17 October 2020 11: 41 New
        +1
        Quote: Gubernia
        Oh, the Anglo-Saxons, what you were in your history, and so you have remained envious, greedy and double standards in politics ..
        God bless Russia! hi


        We are like a bone in their throat and it will always be like this ...
        1. A.TOR
          A.TOR 17 October 2020 13: 12 New
          -3
          Are you confusing "bone in the throat" with "pain in the ass" ...
          1. cniza
            cniza 17 October 2020 13: 21 New
            +3
            I just do not confuse anything, they periodically lose their shores ...
    4. rocket757
      rocket757 17 October 2020 10: 42 New
      +2
      Good morning soldier
      Trump needs at least some "good deal", i.e. on its terms.
      To confirm someone's agreement, even if they were well thought out, then what is the use to him? He has choices, which means in value, in benefit, only when HE dictates conditions.
      1. cniza
        cniza 17 October 2020 12: 20 New
        +2
        Good time! hi

        And he conducts politics as a businessman ...
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 17 October 2020 13: 01 New
          +1
          What country, such and politics .... although the events there, except for the definition of "madhouse", nothing else can be described.
          1. cniza
            cniza 17 October 2020 13: 03 New
            +2
            The elections will soon be held and we will see how they will sort out the situation ...
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 17 October 2020 13: 08 New
              +1
              There are plenty of their own worries, but the truth is, it's just to look at the elections in striped sales, "cool"! It is unlikely that you can see this anywhere else.
              1. cniza
                cniza 17 October 2020 13: 18 New
                +2
                Yes, we have a lot of problems and I would not like to have more because of the USA ...
                1. rocket757
                  rocket757 17 October 2020 13: 39 New
                  +1
                  Most of the problems, not without their help, were formed ... they may also add, it will become of them, they are familiar, blame their problems on others!
                  1. cniza
                    cniza 17 October 2020 13: 42 New
                    +2
                    The country is a parasite, lives at the expense of the rest of the world, what can I say ...
                    1. rocket757
                      rocket757 17 October 2020 13: 43 New
                      +1
                      And what can I say, they can ... or rather, they CAN! Now they themselves, themselves, are destroying a lot and not in their favor, too!
                      1. cniza
                        cniza 17 October 2020 13: 45 New
                        +2
                        Yes, like an elephant in a china shop and waiting for them "funny" times ...
                      2. rocket757
                        rocket757 17 October 2020 13: 46 New
                        0
                        Yes, just look at their elections, already impressions for a long time !!!
  2. Terenin
    Terenin 17 October 2020 10: 56 New
    +4
    Quote: cniza
    We hope Russia will reconsider its position before the costly arms race begins


    So you want to spin it up and drag us there ...

    Yes, according to the proven scheme.
    hi
    1. cniza
      cniza 17 October 2020 12: 21 New
      +4
      Not just worked out, but also tested in action, only the time is a little different ...
      hi
  3. Yaro Polk
    Yaro Polk 17 October 2020 12: 22 New
    -1
    on PONT they take it as in the "holy 90s", with an EBN drunk, I think you can't take Putin as a KGB man)
    Because of this, the WEST hates him, along with the Russian liberalism, which has a feeding trough in the US State Department.
    1. Yaro Polk
      Yaro Polk 17 October 2020 12: 27 New
      0
      * This is Russia for amersam now the conditions should be set, as long as there is an advantage in hypersound.
    2. cniza
      cniza 17 October 2020 12: 28 New
      +3
      And he doesn't look like Gorbachev either ...
  • private person
    private person 17 October 2020 08: 42 New
    0
    Q.E.D. Now, if the United States offered something and Russia refused, it would be a noise for the whole world and sanctions. After all, the United States needs not just a treaty, but for Russia to cut its arsenals for scrap like in the 90s.
    1. military_cat
      military_cat 17 October 2020 09: 45 New
      -1
      Quote: private person
      Now, if the United States offered something and Russia refused, it would be a noise for the whole world and sanctions.

      Why? Marshall Billingsley recently proposed an option with a "freeze of arsenals", Russia refused, calling it "thimble", there was no noise and no other consequences.
      1. private person
        private person 17 October 2020 10: 10 New
        +1
        Marshall Billingsley recently proposed an option with a "freeze of arsenals", Russia refused,

        Who is Marshall Billingsley and what does he decide in the states? Here on VO, too, many options are expressed. Now, if Trump had said this, the effect would have been different.
        1. military_cat
          military_cat 17 October 2020 10: 13 New
          -2
          Quote: private person
          Who is Marshall Billingsley
          US President's Special Representative for Arms Control
      2. Brturin
        Brturin 17 October 2020 14: 45 New
        0
        Quote: military_cat
        Marshall Billingsley proposed a "freeze arsenals" option

        And what are the measures to control this "freeze", in START-3 they are clearly spelled out, but here ... take our word for it ... while the "freeze" presupposed an agreement "covering all nuclear warheads for the first time" .... what is the mechanism of inspections of those that haven't hit before ...
    2. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 17 October 2020 10: 54 New
      +1
      Quote: private person
      Q.E.D. Now, if the United States offered something and Russia refused, it would be a noise for the whole world and sanctions. After all, the United States needs not just a treaty, but for Russia to cut its arsenals for scrap like in the 90s.

      The United States wants Russia to drag China into their "whore", and Beijing has long said that it does not play these games with mattresses. Here the GDP, knowing this, decently hinted to the mattresses that such things are not done so quickly and that it takes at least a year to convince Beijing to join the agreement, but mattresses, due to meagerness, need everything at once, and therefore in the foreseeable future they generally get what the hell.
      1. private person
        private person 17 October 2020 12: 50 New
        0
        The US wants Russia to drag China into their "whore

        I agree with you, but China made it clear that it sneezed at these agreements. The whole world saw how Russia disarmed in the 90s according to the treaty and how it was done in the states.
  • Pashhenko Nikolay
    Pashhenko Nikolay 17 October 2020 08: 43 New
    +8
    Xi Jinping is not worried about any agreements at all. And nothing, China is alive and well.
    1. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 17 October 2020 08: 55 New
      -2
      Quote: Pashhenko Nikolay
      Xi Jinping is not worried about any agreements at all. And nothing, China is alive and well.

      If we had an economy like China, we would not have to worry, but our economy is in a certain place, with the letter J.
      1. Pashhenko Nikolay
        Pashhenko Nikolay 17 October 2020 09: 48 New
        -4
        That is why it is necessary to deal first of all with your economy, and then your proposal will be more weighty. And few people are interested in listening to the proposal of hicks.
        1. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 17 October 2020 09: 55 New
          +1
          Quote: Pashhenko Nikolay
          That is why it is necessary to deal first of all with your economy, and then your proposal will be more weighty. And few people are interested in listening to the proposal of hicks.

          Shouting on TV is much easier than building new factories, but the "electorate" likes shouting.
      2. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 17 October 2020 09: 57 New
        -1
        Quote: aleksejkabanets
        and our economy is in a certain place, with the letter J.

        Judging by the minuses, our economy has risen to the first place in the world, and as I have not noticed.
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 17 October 2020 10: 21 New
          +1
          Quote: aleksejkabanets
          Quote: aleksejkabanets
          and our economy is in a certain place, with the letter J.

          Judging by the minuses, our economy has risen to the first place in the world, and as I have not noticed.

          laughing Here you can see there are people who do not think so ... it is curious who they work and on what means they live laughing
      3. WIKI
        WIKI 17 October 2020 10: 06 New
        -2
        Quote: aleksejkabanets
        and our economy is in a certain place, with the letter J.

        The saddest thing is that WE are starting to settle down in this "F".
    2. Lebed
      Lebed 17 October 2020 09: 42 New
      22
      Quote: Pashhenko Nikolay
      Xi Jinping is not worried about any treaties at all. And nothing, China lives and flourishes

      In China, enemies are shot, but here they are rewarded and placed in other chairs.
      1. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 17 October 2020 09: 47 New
        0
        Quote: Lebed
        In China, enemies are shot, but here they are rewarded and placed in other chairs.

        And as you wanted, the guarantor does not surrender his.
    3. 72jora72
      72jora72 17 October 2020 10: 12 New
      0
      Xi Jinping is not worried about any treaties at all. And nothing, China lives and flourishes
      Well, when our economy at least approaches the Chinese one, then we will live and prosper .........
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 17 October 2020 08: 43 New
    -2
    Well, what answer GDP wanted to get, of course, it is difficult to expect from another striped one. Well, they have no brains, so we need to seriously prepare for the confrontation. It's not just that the West launched an attack on us on all fronts. We'll have to force both striped and small-haired people to prudence, because all the evil comes from them, and the rest of the six will most likely just wait. The main thing is to choose the right moment.
  • Olegater
    Olegater 17 October 2020 08: 44 New
    0
    Very bad news. Not the extension of START III is an indicator that the United States is ready for a negative scenario. Which one, I don't know, but clearly not to a truce or trade. Moreover, Putin's proposal V, V. only for a year, and not for the prescribed 3 years, did not find understanding. It says a lot.
    1. cniza
      cniza 17 October 2020 08: 55 New
      11
      They decided to repeat the scenario for the collapse of the USSR, but the time is completely different ...
      1. Olegater
        Olegater 17 October 2020 08: 59 New
        0
        Good morning dear cniza!
        I agree with you. The scenario is the same, but the result will be different. Now is not the time.
        1. TuM0305
          TuM0305 17 October 2020 09: 11 New
          -2
          Of course, there is no pension reform, lawlessness of officials, general impunity of security officials, protests in Khabarovsk and much more, everyone is 100% happy with the help during a pandemic, let's see who marries him when the dollar is 100 rubles! In general, he will still accept any conditions because his task is to destroy our nuclear potential!
          1. Oleg123219307
            Oleg123219307 17 October 2020 09: 24 New
            +8
            Quote: TuM0305
            Of course, there is no pension reform, lawlessness of officials, general impunity of security officials, protests in Khabarovsk and much more, everyone is 100% happy with the help during a pandemic, let's see who marries him when the dollar is 100 rubles! In general, he will still accept any conditions because his task is to destroy our nuclear potential!
            The hail broke the tomatoes, it's Putin's fault ... But you forgot the main thing.
            Reptilians !!! From Nibiru! His secret masters! They are the ones who rob the wealth of our Motherland while we vegetate in poverty. Maybe it's enough to mix warm with soft ah? Our domestic political and economic issues are not the subject of this discussion. And just like you, who are looking for how to make political capital on any problems and quickly get a bowl of food, and led to the collapse of the Union. I do not deny that there are problems. But such problems and one's own state are better than a well-fed life in someone else's. Because I remember the statements about 20 million Russians which will be enough for them. The second time they will not repeat their mistake and they will not give us a chance to recover ...
          2. 72jora72
            72jora72 17 October 2020 10: 17 New
            -7
            Of course, there is no pension reform, lawlessness of officials, general impunity of the security forces, protests in Khabarovsk and much more, everyone is 100% happy with the help during the pandemic
            But we have Dagger and Peresvet (one thing).
        2. cniza
          cniza 17 October 2020 12: 23 New
          0
          Quote: Olegater
          Good morning dear cniza!
          I agree with you. The scenario is the same, but the result will be different. Now is not the time.


          Yes, and we learned lessons ...
      2. Gubernia
        Gubernia 17 October 2020 09: 31 New
        -4
        Quote: cniza
        They decided to repeat the scenario for the collapse of the USSR, but the time is completely different ...

        From all sides they hit Russia, and we stand and become even stronger With Armenia, here is another problem, the goal is to play off with Turkey .. But it is unlikely that the Amers will burn out there
        Russia is silent and waiting!
  • Olddetractor
    Olddetractor 17 October 2020 08: 46 New
    +2
    I think it is necessary to understand that the arms race is already underway and no one intends to stop it. Everything returns to normal
  • mark2
    mark2 17 October 2020 08: 49 New
    0
    I propose to combine both proposals. The US is freezing its nuclear arsenals, and Russia is extending START III.
    Somehow the opinions are not happy. For some reason, everyone somehow thinks that the disagreement of the parties is bad.
    Let's see it from a different angle.
    Talk about freezing !. Those. stop at a certain level or even lower it. The reason may be the loss of competence by the United States itself in the field of nuclear weapons. So much has been written about it here. And this news may turn out to be a confirmation of which has been written repeatedly. The high-tech colossus also had feet of clay.
  • Observer2014
    Observer2014 17 October 2020 08: 57 New
    -8
    "Failed idea": the United States rejected Putin's proposal to extend START-3 for a year
    Welcome to the era. "Who is stronger than that and is right" That's just how I want someone to unleash a global war. Here it is bursting. Well, if you do not unleash it, then create a worldwide oppressive situation. When countries start to frantically arm themselves. And if they start, sooner or later they will grab each other's throats. You don't need to go far for an example.
  • HAM
    HAM 17 October 2020 08: 58 New
    +3
    "The United States ensures the security of the whole world" - no more, no less ... but in general, without the United States, life in the world would be calmer ...
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 17 October 2020 09: 06 New
    +2
    Well, yes, it's like trying to offer a card sharper to play cards honestly! The Yankees do not enter into contracts without some kind of trump card that will give them an advantage over the opposing side. In this case, the treaty ties their hands, because in addition to modernizing its nuclear forces, the United States has launched a bunch of "related" defense programs, and it is not in their interests to "play by the rules."
  • taiga2018
    taiga2018 17 October 2020 09: 11 New
    -2
    Of course, a failure, because no proposals were required from Putin, but simply a signature on the new treaty prepared by the United States ...
  • prior
    prior 17 October 2020 09: 12 New
    +3
    Russia is a completely self-sufficient civilization.
    The fewer contracts there are, the less responsibilities and the need to pay fines.
    If the world's Titanic is destined to drown, instructions for sailing safely among icebergs won't save it.
  • 123456789
    123456789 17 October 2020 09: 15 New
    +1
    Why was the START Treaty concluded? The United States planned to intercept treaty-limited carriers and warheads of the deployed strategic missile defense system. With the advent of hypersonic weapons in the Russian Federation, the uselessness of both their plans and the START itself became obvious soldier
  • Sayan
    Sayan 17 October 2020 09: 25 New
    +2
    This is not a failed idea, but an easy trolling from Putin, with a hint - the other day Russia froze the plutonium agreement with them
    1. Dikson
      Dikson 17 October 2020 10: 07 New
      -5
      Under this agreement, Russia jammed nuclear reactors and ruined its nuclear industry ... In exchange for broiler chicken legs .., exchanging weapon-grade plutonium for coal ..))) Chernomyrdin and Yeltsin had to be impaled for this .. And now it is for a great victory is issued ...))
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 17 October 2020 09: 32 New
    +3
    Yesterday's refusal by the United States, this is very bad news .. As it is filed by the states .. The tone does not change. Do what you are told, we think so. You must do so! What is it worth extending the START 3 treaty, he used to arrange the states. They were completely rejected. On 28 times the START 3 Treaty was discussed. I am already beginning to believe about the natural degradation of US nuclear warheads. The devil is in the details. We do not know literally about our and American proposals. But what is leaking into the press, the Americans are morose I hope this is the last time, falling from Olympus is very painful. hi drinks good
  • SVD68
    SVD68 17 October 2020 09: 51 New
    0
    The essence of the disagreement is as follows. Russia has fewer delivery vehicles than is allowed under START III. The United States has more carriers than it should be under START III. Thus, Russia wants to equalize the strategic nuclear forces (increase its own and reduce the American). The US wants to maintain its advantage.
    1. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 17 October 2020 10: 07 New
      -1
      The Americans are blathering about Sarmat! And he has not yet been put on duty. The Voivode (Satan) is not eternal.
  • iouris
    iouris 17 October 2020 10: 07 New
    -3
    Most likely, the Russian Federation meticulously fulfilled all its obligations on disarmament, while the States did not even imitate it. At the same time, the Russian Federation in its entire history has not made a single nuclear explosion in order to make sure and convince the "partner" of the availability of means of destruction and the readiness to use them, in order, at least, to "go to heaven", and not just ...
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 17 October 2020 10: 13 New
    +1
    It is clear that Putin made an exclusively on-duty offer in response to the American fake about the Russians' consent to freeze nuclear weapons and involve China in the treaty. It is clear that the Americans will not agree to other conditions (without conditions), preferring to bend their line. In addition, one can once again blame Russia for the failure of the treaty.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 17 October 2020 10: 48 New
      +1
      Stripes still violate contracts when they need them! They have already violated by creating a warhead for sea-based missiles with not ONE poison. block, and from 12. This is already a violation! What now need to legalize it ??? What for?
    2. iouris
      iouris 17 October 2020 17: 05 New
      +1
      Quote: rotmistr60
      It is clear that Putin made an exclusively on-duty offer in response to the American fake about the Russians' consent to freeze nuclear weapons and involve China in the treaty.

      Previously, he also gave instructions to stop pestering the States about this. Under these conditions, China will not stick its head in a noose, the story with Kim has shown that Donald "our" Trump "respects" everyone who has a "bomb" and is willing to use it. That is, there are two sufficient conditions: "bombs" and "readiness to use". They don't negotiate with the weak. The weak are dictated by the conditions: how much and in what time frame to pay, in which cell to put a saucer with a blue border.
  • Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 17 October 2020 10: 56 New
    -6
    The second time (or maybe even more, honestly, I didn’t count) the proposal comes from the GDP in the style of "oh, let's leave everything as it is - everything was so good, just like in the good old days" - he offered this to the Japanese in the Kuriles now offering to Americans. Is it bad with imagination or "no time to swing"?
    Hedgehog, after all, it is clear that this is an empty shaking of air. If we need a concrete result - we need to organize a pan-European dispute regarding nuclear weapons - tell these guys in paints that in connection with the US withdrawal from the treaties on international nuclear security, now, if there is American nuclear weapons anywhere in Europe, these countries are in conflict situations will be hit first, so to speak, massively.
    Put it on the negotiating table in front of the Europeans and say - gentlemen! Today the world is heating up, and you have the opportunity to take Europe out of the third (and last) tin and hardcore - and we are ready to remove our self from the European borders, if you do the same. Completely.

    It seems to me that if you approach the matter with good sense and patience - you can convey to these guys, they take care of their heels.
    1. Crash
      Crash 17 October 2020 12: 08 New
      0
      Put it on the negotiating table in front of the Europeans and say - gentlemen!

      Do you seriously think that someone will listen there? If you have not yet understood, Europeans have not heard the voice of reason for a long time. They fulfill the will of the owners
      1. Knell wardenheart
        Knell wardenheart 17 October 2020 12: 42 New
        -1
        This is a false idea. European democratic institutions are not fictitious. If you approach the matter wisely, this will be a serious trump card in the national elections to the EU core - and there now the attitude towards the atom and radioactive contamination is quite unambiguous (considering what is happening with nuclear power plants in Germany).
        It is also worth understanding that the top of our country does not at all consider the Europeans to be someone's satraps (in fact), although they use this point of view in state propaganda. Suffice it to look at what efforts we made to join and become a member of various European organizations, as well as the fact that in the "satrapy" we would have been vryatli allowed to lay gas pipes, everything would be quite unambiguous and without resistance.
        Now the European politicians are trying to distance themselves from the United States (which the United States does in every possible way) - we must participate in this game, it is in our interests.
        1. Crash
          Crash 17 October 2020 13: 26 New
          0
          Jokes about the rationality of the "European Democratic Institutions" have not yet been circulated. Suffice it to look at the sanctions imposed against Russia for all imaginable and inconceivable reasons. Many incidents are still being investigated, but the perpetrators have long been appointed, despite the presumption of innocence.
          vryatli would allow laying gas pipes

          That is, what is happening in the last year with SP2 does not bother you? winked
          1. Knell wardenheart
            Knell wardenheart 17 October 2020 13: 49 New
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            Investigation of incidents has a very concrete basis - in the past we have repeatedly abducted or persecuted people in Europe (this was a common practice in the USSR), then we denied everything and lied. In the new Russia, there were also incomprehensible episodes (such as the poisoning of Litvinenko or that ill-fated Skripal and his daughter) - and poorly directed "fitness instructors" did not convince either Europe or even our own population, for the most part.
            You have to understand that we have what Europe needs - but unnecessary kissing with us can cost years of political career there, quite specific individuals. In the event that it is documented that our country uses this and that. On the one hand, Europe needs our Deshman gas, on the other, it is interested in us being in a position in which they could not even think about some kind of "price increase" or the use of the pipe in additional preferences. There is a Washington lobby that promotes LNG and builds its career, including on excavating the "Russian trail" in order to torpedo its opponents, and there are traditionalist pragmatists who have been in power for many years (like Merkel), and for whom it is JUST_CHEAP_GAS. They do not love us, and do not hate us - they have a completely different view of things.
            In their world, the income of their states and the stability of the EU as a structure directly depend on cheap energy resources and maximum access to ALL sales markets. For this, among other things, they disagree with Washington on the issue of new sanctions for Iran - Iran is the market they are interested in and the periphery of their security.

            Europe is interested in OWN income and its own security. These are two factors in which her views can be great at odds with Washington - and we can use this. Regardless of whether we like their policies or not. Not everyone in the EU is our friends - we have few friends at all. But there are pragmatists there who can agree with us - if we paint a picture of the threat to their European security from the impending collapse of agreements on nuclear weapons.

            As for SP2, it's being built, isn't it? The EU countries did not stand in a friendly formation against him? Consequently, the picture is not as straightforward as our propaganda paints it.
  • aszzz888
    aszzz888 17 October 2020 11: 43 New
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    Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov was instructed to try in the near future to get "at least some intelligible answer" from the United States.
    There will be no answer - 100%, just as there will not be another round of tension in the world. And this tension is growing at an alarming rate.
  • 7 poplar
    7 poplar 17 October 2020 11: 44 New
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    they are afraid of mattress covers and do not know who will come to power ...........
  • Operator
    Operator 17 October 2020 12: 28 New
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    However, the USA - FSE bully
  • Old26
    Old26 17 October 2020 14: 35 New
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    Quote: Olegater
    Very bad news. Not the extension of START III is an indicator that the United States is ready for a negative scenario. Which one, I don't know, but clearly not to a truce or trade. Moreover, Putin's proposal V, V. only for a year, and not for the prescribed 3 years, did not find understanding. It says a lot.

    This is not an indicator at all. Their biggest problem is their President Trump, who behaves like an elephant in a china shop, destroying everything that gets in his way. And the first thing that he does not like is the agreements that his predecessors concluded. They are not ready for a negative scenario. The Americans were in a state of euphoria from the collapse of the Union and did not consider Russia a threat. As a result, time was lost. And now, in order to bring their strategic nuclear forces into a state that will allow them to operate their strategic nuclear forces for another 30-50 years, they have to "break". And they have more than strategic programs that require their implementation.
    1. Replacement of ground-based ICBMs. Although the Minutemans have undergone a multilevel modernization, they are unlikely to be in service for another 30-50 years. The development of a new ICBM has just started.
    2. Replacement of SLBMs with their own SSBNs and SSBNs themselves. We will have to replace the existing Ohio-class missile boats with Columbia-class boats. And the Tridents themselves already have a service life of almost 30 years. In the future - a new SLBM "Trident E-6", but there is still no horse lying around
    3. A promising strategic bomber. The youngest B-52 is already 57 years old. Regular modernization allows you to extend its operation, but the glider does not last forever. Their promising B-80 bomber at the beginning of the 1s "fell victim" to the B-2 bomber program, and then to the START Treaty. Now we are talking about the new B-3 (B-21). What it will be like and how much it will be able to replace the same B-2, B-1 and, in the future, B-51 - no one knows.
    4. The biggest problem for the United States is the state of the US nuclear weapons complex. Its degradation was again due to the euphoria from the collapse of the USSR. Now the state of the nuclear weapons complex is such that only starting from about 2030 (the optimistic option), but most likely from 2035, the United States will be able to again produce new charges for its nuclear weapons. In the amount of 80 units per year. Now it can only carry out the modernization of its nuclear reactors (in particular, the refabrication of plutonium) in an amount of about 300-350 BGs per year.
    5. The most serious headache for the United States is the beginning of the deployment of hypersonic weapons systems in Russia. The Americans began work on the motor hypersound before us, but for some reason, after successful tests, they froze the programs for creating the X-51 and X-43. So now the US is hardly ready for a negative scenario with regard to Russia.

    Quote: 123456789
    Why was the START Treaty concluded? The United States planned to intercept treaty-limited carriers and warheads of the deployed strategic missile defense system. With the advent of hypersonic weapons in the Russian Federation, the uselessness of both their plans and the START itself became obvious soldier

    In fact, the START Treaty was signed in 2011, and the US ABM Treaty was withdrawn in 2002, when the US strategic missile defense began to be deployed. And the treaty-limited warhead is not capable of intercepting the US missile defense system as it exists. From the word at all.

    Quote: Sayan
    This is not a failed idea, but an easy trolling from Putin, with a hint - the other day Russia froze the plutonium agreement with them

    Actually, the other day is October 2016 laughing

    Quote: Dikson
    Under this agreement, Russia jammed nuclear reactors and ruined its nuclear industry ... In exchange for broiler chicken legs .., exchanging weapon-grade plutonium for coal ..))) Chernomyrdin and Yeltsin had to be impaled for this .. And now it is for a great victory is issued ...))

    "Horses, people mixed together ...."
    What a mess in your head, dear. Russia began to shut down its military reactors that produced PLUTONIUM after they had already exhausted their resource, having worked for 30-40 years. Moreover, it began to jam in 1992. The Plutonium Disposal Treaty came into effect in 2011, after the last of the decommissioned reactors was shut down, i.e. in 2010. So no one under this agreement jammed the reactors and ruined the nuclear industry. By the way, not all plutonium-producing reactors have been decommissioned, although there is no need for them. Russia has sufficient reserves of plutonium (according to open data - about 120 tons versus 60 tons for the United States.
    The HEU-LEU Treaty was in effect from 1993 to 2013. In principle, Chernomyrdin, as one of the signatories of this agreement, needs to erect a monument because he signed this agreement on the sale of 500 tons of highly enriched uranium diluted to low enriched uranium (14446 tons of LEU). The total income of the Russian side from the implementation of the Agreement is about $ 17 billion, budgetary receipts - $ 13 billion.
    Of course, we can say that it could have been sold at a much higher price, this has been discussed many times, but the most important thing is that we have planted American nuclear power plants on uranium needle. As a result, they lost their uranium enrichment competencies. The gaseous diffusion production was closed for known reasons, the centrifugal one was not established. And now, for their nuclear power plants, the Americans are forced to buy low-enriched uranium from several countries, incl. and from Russia.

    Quote: tralflot1832
    Yesterday's refusal by the United States, this is very bad news .. As it is filed by the states .. The tone does not change. Do what you are told, we think so. You must do so! What is it worth extending the START 3 treaty, he used to arrange the states. They were completely rejected. On 28 times the START 3 Treaty was discussed. I am already beginning to believe about the natural degradation of US nuclear warheads. The devil is in the details. We do not know literally about our and American proposals. But what is leaking into the press, the Americans are morose I hope this is the last time, falling from Olympus is very painful. hi drinks good

    He still suits the United States as a country, and many American military understand this. This does not suit Trump and his administration in the first place. If he had signed this agreement, it would have been the best agreement that the United States would have signed. But alas. Obama signed it - it means he is bad.
    We know about offers only fragmentarily. You propose to extend START-3 without any preconditions. USA first offered
    1. Participation in the treaty of China
    2. Russia's non-deployment of heavy Sarmat missiles
    3. Russia’s not deploying hypersonic weapons systems. Then the US will agree not to develop a new ICBM and to extend the treaty. Now they are offering Russia to freeze its nuclear potential without freezing its own. Of course, Russia will not agree to this
  • Old26
    Old26 17 October 2020 14: 35 New
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    Quote: SVD68
    The essence of the disagreement is as follows. Russia has fewer delivery vehicles than is allowed under START III. The United States has more carriers than it should be under START III. Thus, Russia wants to equalize the strategic nuclear forces (increase its own and reduce the American). The US wants to maintain its advantage.

    Russia has fewer carriers (deployed and not deployed than allowed. As much as 36 pieces. The US currently has just the allowed ceiling. By the number of deployed we actually have less - 510 versus 675 American ones. Again, the Americans have a "deficit" "25 deployed, we have 190. But do not forget that we are currently re-equipping several missile divisions, several missile-carrying boats are being built. So, most likely, this" shortage "will also last for several years.
    And the "freezing" of our nuclear potential and the absence of freezing in them can lead to an imbalance in the carriers

    Quote: tralflot1832
    The Americans are blathering about Sarmat! And he has not yet been put on duty. The Voivode (Satan) is not eternal.

    They work for the future. For "Sarmat" to be included in the treaty, although it has not yet been tested at all. Although they used to work thinner, as, for example, in the case of the Shapkinsky early warning radar station in Yeniseisk-15. When they waited for us to build this station, having invested a lot of money in it, and then they announced that this station violated the provisions of the ABM Treaty and had to be demolished ...

    Quote: iouris
    Most likely, the Russian Federation meticulously fulfilled all its obligations on disarmament, while the States did not even imitate it. At the same time, the Russian Federation in its entire history has not made a single nuclear explosion in order to make sure and convince the "partner" of the availability of means of destruction and the readiness to use them, in order, at least, to "go to heaven", and not just ...

    In fact, both parties fulfill their obligations under the contract
    The United States has reduced its deployed carriers by 147 units, we by 6
    The USA has reduced the number of deployed and non-deployed carriers by 333 units, we by 119
    The United States has reduced its deployed warheads by 243 units, we by 107

    Reserve media deployment
    The United States has 25 carriers and 9 warheads. We have 190 carriers and 103 warheads

    Quote: rocket757
    Stripes still violate contracts when they need them! They have already violated by creating a warhead for sea-based missiles with not ONE poison. block, and from 12. This is already a violation! What now need to legalize it ??? What for?

    LEARN THE MATCH, Victor. This means - read the contract carefully. Back in 1979, when the SALT-2 contract was concluded, restrictions were imposed on the number of warheads on delivery vehicles.
    1. On ICBMs - no more than 10 BG
    2. On SLBMs no more than 14 BG
    3. On strategic bombers - no more than 28 cruise missiles.

    Therefore, all the talk on the net that "Sarmat" will carry 15-20 and more BGs is nonsense. If it is, it will be a violation
    And no matter how bastard the Americans are with their mania for hegemonism, they abide by strategic agreements, just like we do. And this is confirmed by numerous inspections. At least as far as is known, 3 violations of strategic agreements were recorded. And two of them are Soviet.
  • Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 17 October 2020 17: 57 New
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    Here’s your grandmother and St. George’s Day.
    The United States went to withdraw from all the fundamental Soviet treaties. On which, to a certain extent, everything was based.
    The states will bend their line. Will the Russian Federation do the same?
    This is a big / big question.
    As long as I personally observe a kind of spinelessness. And not a distinct bleating.
    Forgive me if I offended anyone. hi
  • Old26
    Old26 17 October 2020 19: 21 New
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    Quote: Benzorez
    Will the Russian Federation do the same?
    This is a big / big question.

    We just don't advertise the exit. Once the United States withdrew from some kind of bilateral agreement, then it ceases to exist. On the offensive, both we and they are still trying to comply with some restrictions (the number of carriers, the number of BB on the carrier). But such an agreement as the ABM Treaty does not work at all.
    But since the Americans withdrew from the ABM Treaty, we also do not comply. It is enough to look only at the locations of the early warning radar station
  • zwlad
    zwlad 17 October 2020 23: 15 New
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    Let them go with their freeze. They have almost 200 more warheads deployed. The skew however.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 18 October 2020 01: 21 New
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      These warheads are already obsolete junk - they have a new program worth more than a trillion dollars to upgrade the nuclear triad, plans for implementation in 2035.
      1. zwlad
        zwlad 18 October 2020 10: 46 New
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        What's the difference. If you freeze the numbers, then the imbalance will remain. And they will be able to update them within the framework of the agreement.
  • Kerensky
    Kerensky 18 October 2020 02: 29 New
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    https://youtu.be/CSRs5Gc2Rc0
  • Old26
    Old26 18 October 2020 14: 23 New
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    Quote: zwlad
    Let them go with their freeze. They have almost 200 more warheads deployed. The skew however.

    In fact, they have 10 more warheads deployed.