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Erdogan ignored US demand: first launch of S-400 air defense missile system in Turkey

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Erdogan ignored US demand: first launch of S-400 air defense missile system in Turkey

Videos showing the first combat training launch performed by Turkish air defense crews using the Russian S-400 Triumph anti-aircraft missile system appear on the network. This launch was carried out as part of the exercises of the Turkish army, which are held for several days off the Black Sea coast.


Earlier there, in the area of ​​the city of Sinop, the S-400 complexes acquired by the Turks from Russia were transferred. After the acquisition, Turkey began to experience clear pressure from the United States, which threatened Ankara with sanctions.

It should be noted that initially the American side demanded that Erdogan abandon the deal with Russia, but the Turkish president did not agree to this, saying that Washington had refused to supply the Patriot air defense system to Turkish troops for many years. After the first deliveries of S-400s from Russia to Turkey, pressure of a different kind began to be exerted on Ankara from Washington. It was stated that Ankara "should abandon the deployment of Russian systems and any of their use, as this could disrupt the unity of the NATO air defense system." But, as the footage from Sinop testifies, Erdogan also ignored this demand from Washington.

The launch of the S-400 air defense missile system took place. Military experts believe that in this way the Turkish president "showed the United States that he is not going to indulge their whims." At the same time, the question is also being discussed whether Russian instructors were present in Sinop during the first launches of the S-400 missiles or not. Earlier, there was information that Russian specialists trained Turkish calculations in the use of anti-aircraft missile systems supplied under the contract. This data was not officially commented on.


The launch was clearly visible from the streets of Sinop. Many townspeople and residents of the surrounding area witnessed it.
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  1. FIR FIR
    FIR FIR 16 October 2020 17: 59 New
    -4
    ... that Russian specialists trained Turkish calculations ...

    What is this being done? They are in NATO ............
    1. Tusv
      Tusv 16 October 2020 18: 37 New
      +9
      Quote: FIR FIR
      What is this being done? They are in NATO ............

      So NATO was not given by the Patriots. It turns out that they did the right thing. 2 years ago he wrote that Turkey is not a regional power without air defense. It seems that the tender was stolen from the Chinese, we are earning a lot of money, but as soon as Erdogan got it, he immediately showed off. Maybe they fucking blow up Akkuyu. Ours so far, we have the right. It's a joke, of course. But they will also have electricity - eat booty. This will double their military-industrial complex. Horror
      1. FIR FIR
        FIR FIR 16 October 2020 18: 41 New
        12
        So NATO was not given by the Patriots.

        NATO partners do not sell, but Russia please. Strange situation, isn't it.?
        1. Vadim_888
          Vadim_888 16 October 2020 18: 50 New
          13
          ... NATO partners do not sell, but Russia please. Strange situation, isn't it.?

          By no means, nothing strange, for NATO the Turks are just infantry to solve the problems of NATO, in Ankara they seem to have realized this and began to pursue a more independent policy, and they deliberately do not leave NATO, since if they leave, NATO will be able to oppose a consolidated front against Turkey. and so, according to the charter of the alliance, any conflict within the bloc turns out like a one-on-one fight. hi
          1. Shurik70
            Shurik70 16 October 2020 23: 12 New
            +4
            the question of whether Russian instructors were present at the first launches of the S-400 missile systems is also being discussed

            And include logic?
            The very FIRST launch of a rather expensive rocket will definitely be with an instructor.
            1. Plastmaster
              Plastmaster 17 October 2020 06: 25 New
              -2
              Hard to tell. Now the coronus. Maybe the Turks were put on a distance, as a type of students. belay
            2. Alex Justice
              Alex Justice 17 October 2020 10: 55 New
              0
              The very FIRST launch of a rather expensive rocket

              Shot into the sky?
          2. ZEMCH
            ZEMCH 16 October 2020 23: 31 New
            0
            Quote: Vadim_888
            ... NATO partners do not sell, but Russia please. Strange situation, isn't it.?

            By no means, nothing strange, for NATO the Turks are just infantry to solve the problems of NATO, in Ankara they seem to have realized this and began to pursue a more independent policy, and they deliberately do not leave NATO, since if they leave, NATO will be able to oppose a consolidated front against Turkey. and so, according to the charter of the alliance, any conflict within the bloc turns out like a one-on-one fight. hi

            Who will drive them out?))) The largest and most efficient army in the European "theater"))
        2. Tusv
          Tusv 16 October 2020 18: 56 New
          12
          Quote: FIR FIR
          It's a strange situation, isn't it.

          Strangely not strange, but the Cuban missile crisis began in Turkey, and not because of Operation Anadyr. And of course, a good Turk is the service at the hotel where the Russians rest
          1. Aaron Zawi
            Aaron Zawi 16 October 2020 18: 58 New
            +1
            Quote: Tusv
            Quote: FIR FIR
            It's a strange situation, isn't it.

            Strangely not strange, but the Cuban missile crisis began in Turkey, and not because of Operation Anadyr. And of course, a good Turk is the service at the hotel where the Russians rest

            H'm. In Turkey, they think a little differently.
            1. Tusv
              Tusv 16 October 2020 19: 02 New
              +2
              Quote: Aaron Zawi
              H'm. In Turkey, they think a little differently.

              Aaron hi Not. They think the same. If I don’t put a plus, they’ll be fired. Russo tourist - the face of morality bully
              But for what I do not like the Turks, because I got hooked on rafting. Very expensive pleasure
            2. Tusv
              Tusv 16 October 2020 19: 37 New
              0
              Quote: Aaron Zawi
              H'm. In Turkey, they think a little differently.

              And yes. Now I have to rest in Thailand and Vietnam. Without visas, Egypt, Israel and Turkey are closed by the fighting. That's what they think, Huh?
            3. Tusv
              Tusv 16 October 2020 20: 16 New
              +3
              Oops Aron came up with an anecdote on the minuses. What to do to make Jews feel good in Russia? Hack Turkey and declare Israel an Autonomous Republic with a 1.5 District Factor
              1. ustavshiy shmel
                ustavshiy shmel 16 October 2020 21: 05 New
                +1
                Fine)
              2. Aaron Zawi
                Aaron Zawi 16 October 2020 22: 23 New
                -2
                Quote: Tusv
                Oops Aron came up with an anecdote on the minuses. What to do to make Jews feel good in Russia? Hack Turkey and declare Israel an Autonomous Republic with a 1.5 District Factor

                What is a coefficient of 1.5? recourse
                1. Pereira
                  Pereira 16 October 2020 23: 06 New
                  +5
                  In Russia, this is a northern salary supplement for difficult working and living conditions.
                  What did Vladimir mean - xs.
                  1. Alex Justice
                    Alex Justice 17 October 2020 10: 57 New
                    -1
                    Shevchenko had 1.6
            4. not main
              not main 16 October 2020 22: 58 New
              +1
              Quote: Aron Zaavi
              H'm. In Turkey, they think a little differently.

              H'm. And I don't give a damn what the Turks think ...
        3. mvg
          mvg 16 October 2020 20: 21 New
          +1
          Strange situation, isn't it

          France has matrices and electronics, Germany has a diesel engine, England has equipment for bathyscaphes. Before the sanctions.
      2. Svarog
        Svarog 16 October 2020 21: 13 New
        +1
        Quote: Tusv
        But they will also have electricity - eat booty. This will double their military-industrial complex. Horror

        I also do not understand this policy. Rave..
        1. ZEMCH
          ZEMCH 16 October 2020 23: 36 New
          +2
          Quote: Svarog
          I also do not understand this policy. Rave..

          There is only our reactor, a French turbine, we do not make low-speed steam turbines. And so they took the most "tasty" piece of the project, for the reactor only our fuel. other does not fit)).
      3. chingachguc
        chingachguc 17 October 2020 01: 36 New
        +2
        firstly, Akkuyu is not finished yet, and secondly, it works on our fuel rods ... you won't have to blow it up. It will just stop.
      4. Alexander Kopychev
        Alexander Kopychev 18 October 2020 21: 53 New
        0
        Nothing personal, just businesslike ... A couple of managers from Almaz-Antey and Rosatom are probably already enjoying the new Maybachs.
    2. Gato
      Gato 16 October 2020 18: 38 New
      +7
      What is this being done? They are in NATO

      So this is great! Equip a potential enemy with weapons, all parameters of which are set by you and which can be neutralized at a lower cost than the same Patriot. NATO members are right about the hole in the air defense of the alliance.
      1. Maz
        Maz 17 October 2020 00: 06 New
        +2
        Quote: Gato
        So this is great! Equip a potential enemy with weapons, all parameters of which are set by you and which can be neutralized at a lower cost than the same Patriot. NATO members are right about the hole in the air defense of the alliance.

        and most importantly, now airplanes and helicopters produced by NATO and the United States and delivered and not delivered to Turkey can be shot down over the residence of the tomato sultanand Patriot doesn't shoot down its planes ...
    3. mihail_mihail0620
      mihail_mihail0620 16 October 2020 20: 29 New
      +4
      Quote: FIR FIR
      What is this being done? They are in NATO .........

      Greece has been in NATO since 1952, and has had the S-300 for a long time
    4. YOUR
      YOUR 18 October 2020 03: 24 New
      0
      Business, nothing personal
  2. jovanni
    jovanni 16 October 2020 18: 01 New
    10
    ... "showed the US that he was not going to indulge their whims."

    Worse, this shot does whatever it wants. And, hike, we indulge his whims. As if it didn't turn out sideways for us again. He is already bringing bandits to our borders, intrigues against the Crimea ...
    1. Doccor18
      Doccor18 16 October 2020 18: 08 New
      +2
      ... this shot does whatever it wants ...

      This is alarming, why is he allowed ..?
    2. MTN
      MTN 16 October 2020 18: 14 New
      -2
      For the West, this is shooting, equivalent to this photo)
    3. Vadim_888
      Vadim_888 16 October 2020 18: 53 New
      +9
      ... Already brings bandits to our borders,

      If the Armenians dispose of the Syrian militants, then the Russians will not have to do this
    4. ZEMCH
      ZEMCH 16 October 2020 23: 38 New
      0
      Quote: Jovanni
      plotting against Crimea ...

      The Turks generally consider Crimea theirs, as well as the Black Sea coast from the east to Taman, from the West to the Crimea)))
  3. Thrifty
    Thrifty 16 October 2020 18: 12 New
    +7
    The enemy of our enemy will never become our friend. The sultan is only a temporary companion, realizing his plans. ..
    1. Tusv
      Tusv 16 October 2020 18: 41 New
      +1
      Quote: Thrifty
      The sultan is only a temporary companion, realizing his plans. ..

      Turkey is a neighbor. He is either an enemy or a temporary companion. On the first "Cut to hell without waiting for peritonitis" (co)
  4. lucul
    lucul 16 October 2020 18: 19 New
    12
    The launch was clearly visible from the streets of Sinop. Many townspeople and residents of the surrounding area witnessed it.


    You see, but the launch from the BUK on the ill-fated Boeing, in the Donbass, no one noticed anything at all.
    So there was such a "start")))
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 16 October 2020 18: 23 New
      -11
      Quote: lucul
      So there was such a "start")

      Is there a difference between a demonstration launch and a launch in combat conditions?
      1. Bumblebee_3
        Bumblebee_3 16 October 2020 18: 35 New
        16
        Silvestr (Sylvester)
        Did I understand you correctly that in "combat conditions" the beech leaves no trace? Apparently the rocket fuel is "smokeless" for combat conditions and "smoky" for demonstration launches.
        1. military_cat
          military_cat 16 October 2020 21: 12 New
          0
          Search Google for "trail over Torez"
        2. New Year day
          New Year day 16 October 2020 23: 38 New
          -4
          Quote: Bumblebee_3
          Did I understand you correctly that in "combat conditions" the beech leaves no trace?

          Not understood correctly. I think that in this case there is no time for a photo-film session.
    2. Fungus
      Fungus 16 October 2020 18: 25 New
      +4
      Spotted by the Ukrainian military launching a missile at a Boeing
    3. Avior
      Avior 16 October 2020 18: 47 New
      -3
      Nobody seems to question that the Buk missile hit.
      So the launch was, the only question is from which Buk.
      1. Reiter
        Reiter 16 October 2020 19: 52 New
        +3
        Well, I'm not sure what it was for this Boeing that the BUK was smashed. Let's say there, I'm sure it's not Buk.
        1. Avior
          Avior 16 October 2020 20: 16 New
          -3
          Write the reasons for your confidence
          at the address Moscow, st. Vereiskaya, 41.
          If the reasons for your confidence are considered convincing there, they will find a way to convey them to a wide range.
          hi
          1. Leon68
            Leon68 17 October 2020 00: 50 New
            0
            Quote: Avior
            at the address Moscow, st. Vereiskaya, 41.

            Dear, you mixed the first two letters in the street name
            1. Avior
              Avior 17 October 2020 18: 26 New
              0
              This is not me.
              ... From December 25, 1961, the street became Vereiskaya in the city of Vereya, Naro-Fominsk district of the Moscow region due to its location in the west of Moscow
          2. Reiter
            Reiter 19 October 2020 12: 40 New
            0
            I think everyone who should know the rule by position knows perfectly well that there was NOT a BUK, but another matter, there is a problem with the evidence. There are plenty of indirect ones. There are no direct ones. But Western partners and direct would not prove anything that, there are few examples with the Novice, the test tube of Colin Powell, Lockerby, ...
  5. mark2
    mark2 16 October 2020 18: 24 New
    +1
    Erdogan, like all real boys, loves war games. Such a igruha! And then there are some overseas upstarts ... if you can't, but really want to, then you can.
  6. aslanxnumx
    aslanxnumx 16 October 2020 18: 28 New
    +1
    And the goal was? -The defeat is not visible
    1. Simargl
      Simargl 16 October 2020 19: 22 New
      +1
      Quote: aslan11
      no defeat in sight
      Do not shoot at close range! This is not artillery.
  7. Keyser soze
    Keyser soze 16 October 2020 18: 38 New
    +1
    It is important for NATO to fulfill the dreams of VO readers and kick Yerdogan out of the organization. laughing

    And in the free market, let anyone want and take him as allies, partners, or whatever they come up with.
    Here I really miss the emoticon of the leg, which gives a little asshole. laughing
    1. Vadim_888
      Vadim_888 16 October 2020 19: 04 New
      +6
      ... It is important for NATO to fulfill the dreams of VO readers and kick Yerdogan out of the organization

      If Turkey is suddenly kicked out of NATO, Bulgaria will be at the forefront, more money will have to be spent on defense, economic growth will be threatened, plus tension on the Turkish border will arise ...
      1. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 16 October 2020 21: 39 New
        +1
        Quote: Vadim_888
        Bulgaria will be at the forefront, more money will have to be spent on defense, economic growth will be threatened, plus tensions on the Turkish border will arise ...

        And, which is typical, in the end they exchange brothers without frowning - the mission of the "guard regiment". yes
  8. Avior
    Avior 16 October 2020 18: 48 New
    +2
    So hit or not?
    Something did not write anything about it.
    1. Eug
      Eug 16 October 2020 18: 58 New
      0
      The Arabs are writing a letter to the USSR - "Thank you, we have already received surface-to-air missiles, now we are looking forward to the surface-to-air missiles" ...
    2. sedoj
      sedoj 16 October 2020 19: 00 New
      +2
      Quote: Avior
      So hit or not?
      Something did not write anything about it.

      The whole conversation is about launch, not hit. They were first taught to let them in, and they will hit the next time. laughing
    3. maktub
      maktub 16 October 2020 19: 08 New
      +4
      3 missiles were fired on Vzglyad, all targets were hit
    4. Vladimir_6
      Vladimir_6 16 October 2020 21: 12 New
      +1
      Quote: Avior
      So hit or not?

      They write that the tests were successful
      Turkey has successfully tested Russian S-400 air defense systems, a source in the military-technical sphere told RIA Novosti. The tests took place in the north of the country, in the Sinop region.
      "Three missiles fired hit three targets," the source said.
    5. Maz
      Maz 17 October 2020 00: 09 New
      +1
      Quote: Avior
      So hit or not?
      Something did not write anything about it.

      They unsubscribed on the cart, the launch was successful
  9. Eug
    Eug 16 October 2020 18: 56 New
    +1
    Low-smoke trail ... 300th more "smoke".
  10. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 16 October 2020 19: 02 New
    +1
    Anyone in the know, since October 15, NATO and US aircraft have been flying over the Black Sea, the C 400, although exploitable, but by its origin is Nashensky. What will jump out of his mind. Didn't give the American, not the Chinese, get the Russian with the Turkish crew. someone starts to sleep badly. good
    1. Vitaly gusin
      Vitaly gusin 16 October 2020 21: 18 New
      -1
      Quote: tralflot1832
      On BV, someone starts to sleep badly.

      You're right, they didn't let me sleep for a couple of nights.
      Not only the Turks are checking.
      Enduring Lightning III exercise brings together US, Israeli air forces
      Israel hosted the Enduring Lightning III, which has already become a traditional joint with the United States. F-35A and F-35I (Adir) fifth-generation fighters were used in aerial maneuvers, during which the actions to seize air supremacy and strike at ground targets were practiced, according to the US Air Force Central Command website.
      To participate in the training, fighters of the 421 squadron and tanker aircraft of the 908 squadron of the 380 US Expeditionary Air Corps based at the Al-Dafra base in the United Arab Emirates arrived in Israel, as well as the "flying tankers" of the 340 squadron deployed at the Al-Udeid air base "in Qatar.
      From the Israeli side, 116 fighter squadrons ("Lions of the South"), 122 squadron of early reconnaissance aircraft - AWACS - ("Nakhshon") and 115 squadrons, whose F-16I played the role of a conditional enemy, took part in the exercises, on whose side they also acted " flying radars "and tanker aircraft KC-135 and KC-10.
      The Israeli Air Force became the first in the world to use the F-35 in combat. In particular, this type of aircraft took part in striking the positions of pro-Iranian forces and Hezbollah militants in Syria.
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 16 October 2020 21: 28 New
        +2
        And what do you have to do with it? Americans and Kurds are not an option? Erdogan, like you, has no vigorous loaf to contact you. hi
      2. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 16 October 2020 23: 23 New
        -1
        You also provide the United States with a base on your territory. You can fly as much as you like, that's your right. Only if we have a turmoil with the states, no matter how you have to envy one autonomous region on the border with China.
    2. Cetron
      Cetron 16 October 2020 22: 36 New
      0
      USA allowed civilians to fly over Crimea, away from the Turkish coast!
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 16 October 2020 23: 00 New
        0
        So there the Ukrainians were delighted, money will fall into their pockets for no reason. The US will pay them like that. Our answer is who accompanies them and they pay. We don’t do sponsor services. And the coolest thing is, the flight radar gives the US Canada fly the Arctic Russia Iran Velcom Saudi Arabia . Well, on the globe of Ukraine, everyone is flying through them. Here's the curvature of the earth. hi drinks
        1. Avior
          Avior 17 October 2020 00: 14 New
          +1
          In fact, the Iranians shot down a Ukrainian plane with the Canadians, they flew through Kiev.
          1. tralflot1832
            tralflot1832 17 October 2020 00: 29 New
            0
            I monitored the flight radar, especially, there will be a war between the United States and Iran, when the United States killed General Suleminiya. There were at least three aircraft from the US and Canada in the air over Iran. I don’t say anything about the imerets, there were up to 5 aircraft, of which two were 380. war but denyuzhki lyabyat count. hiOn account shot down. I served 81 and 83 in the GSVG all on nerves. God forbid if you miss something! There will be a full ass. After 6 8 hours of duty, not good thoughts arose. hi
            1. Avior
              Avior 17 October 2020 00: 34 New
              0
              ... The United States has banned American airlines from flying over Iran and Iraq

              https://www.google.com/amp/s/ria.ru/amp/20200108/1563175453.html
          2. tralflot1832
            tralflot1832 17 October 2020 09: 47 New
            0
            This is a charter. There were Ukrainians. Not to be confused with a permanent message.
            1. Avior
              Avior 17 October 2020 15: 06 New
              +1
              What charter? It was a regular service, and the vast majority were Canadian citizens.
  11. maktub
    maktub 16 October 2020 19: 04 New
    -2
    I read that when buying the S-400, Erdogan also wanted manufacturing technology.
    Interestingly sold?
    1. kit88
      kit88 16 October 2020 19: 54 New
      11
      Yeah. Sold. bully
      They say, no matter how the Turks tried to sculpt according to these drawings - the top-secret harness of the 1912 model turns out ...
      1. maktub
        maktub 16 October 2020 20: 17 New
        +2
        This is when, when assembling according to the drawings, you get a steam locomotive and you need a drunken engineer with a file? laughing
  12. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 16 October 2020 19: 29 New
    +5
    The sky over Turkey began to belong only to the Turks. That is why all the screeching and howling from the United States, the states will not tolerate independent activity. The whole sky over Europe belongs to them, except for the Turkish sky with all the ensuing consequences. They gave the command to Ukraine to shoot down the plane, and they shot it down. They can do the same. arrange over any country in Europe, if someone arranges games in independence. Erdogan realized this when he was hiding in the skies over Turkey during the coup. By the way, three targets were shot down. drinks
  13. Alexey from Perm
    Alexey from Perm 16 October 2020 21: 15 New
    -5
    There is nothing to be happy about, because against whom will our complexes be used? us or Greece
  14. Dikson
    Dikson 16 October 2020 21: 20 New
    -2
    And Zelensky gave an order to our friend Erdogan ... for not recognizing Crimea as Russian. So by the New Year, I think, Turkish UAVs will feel like they are in Karabakh over Donetsk .. Well, over the Black Sea .. The fun is just beginning .. I should sell something else to Erdogan .. - otherwise he is absolutely friends with us will stop .. maybe let Topol-M already be sold?
    1. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 17 October 2020 10: 37 New
      0
      We are not military men. They will put something on the border. What they find in the mines on conservation. OUR will not surrender the DPR and LPR. The northern wind is the same as it will blow everything, it will freeze like Ayavriki! hi
  15. Tavi
    Tavi 16 October 2020 21: 23 New
    +2
    I bought a toy - I have to pull it ... show everyone that, look what we have .... eh, hot southern blood.
    Erdogan is 66 years old.
    it is time to close civil aviation flights over Turkey.
  16. Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 16 October 2020 21: 49 New
    +6
    The only thing I like about Comrade Erdogan is that the music is oppressing its line. And does not look at anyone. Well done. In this plan. hi
    1. Gubernia
      Gubernia 16 October 2020 22: 02 New
      -3
      Quote: Benzorez
      The only thing I like about Comrade Erdogan is that the music is oppressing its line. And does not look at anyone. Well done. In this plan. hi

      Straight to anyone? And when it woke up in him, don't you remember Vitaly?
      1. Petrol cutter
        Petrol cutter 16 October 2020 22: 57 New
        +1
        I don’t remember.
        I only said what I wanted to say.
    2. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 16 October 2020 23: 16 New
      0
      Dear shipbuilder. Nobody is discussing their alien system on the S400. There are three options. The first for the Turkish S400 is all enemies, except for those with transponders. The second option is all our enemies, the Turks are probably closer to the topic. The third option is all enemies except NATO planes. This is probably not discussed, the system of the saoi alien is the holy of holies. So NATO members need to either turn on the transponder for at least a few seconds or be in touch, such as Kitchen kitchen, I jackal. hi wassat good
      1. Petrol cutter
        Petrol cutter 16 October 2020 23: 26 New
        +1
        I apologize...
        Where did I start discussing the "friend / foe" notification systems, and generally got into polemics?
        1. tralflot1832
          tralflot1832 16 October 2020 23: 37 New
          0
          This is that he is a man, now he bows to NATO. He achieved his goal! On Monday we will see the reaction of interested persons. hi
  17. Victorm
    Victorm 16 October 2020 23: 26 New
    -1
    Quote: maktub
    I read that when buying the S-400, Erdogan also wanted manufacturing technology.
    Interestingly sold?

    This is one of the parts of the letter of intent. But apparently Turkey will buy one or two more divisions and that's it, it will continue to develop its own medium-range air defense system, similar in characteristics to the S-350.
    The already delivered S-400s, plus Patriots from NATO countries in the event of an aggravation of the situation with Iran, this will be enough for defense in the main directions.
    1. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 16 October 2020 23: 43 New
      +1
      And Iran that Erdogan to share. Yes, with Iraq, in the north of Iraq, the Kurds rule the ball. With money, they are fine, they are victims of Saddam Hussein. They were even gassed. My guess is that the Syrian Turkish Kurds have funding from there. hi
  18. Victorm
    Victorm 16 October 2020 23: 34 New
    -1
    Quote: Benzorez
    The only thing I like about Comrade Erdogan is that the music is oppressing its line. And does not look at anyone. Well done. In this plan. hi

    He has a lot of experience, he did not come into politics yesterday, plus in Turkey it is a competitive struggle, besides, he is an Islamist and on this occasion he also went to land.
    Suffice it to say that the top officials of the NATO countries were more likely to cheat when the Turks shot down the Su-24, but not Erdogan. The eggs are made of iron, but if only he did not outplay. So far, it seems as if he senses the border of his own and Turkey's capabilities.
    Do not be an Islamist and do not be associated with this problem, Turkey can be said to be very lucky with him. He is quite strong in the economy, he was one of the best mayors of Istanbul, a strong prime minister, but foreign policy, we can see everything here.
  19. Victorm
    Victorm 17 October 2020 00: 07 New
    -1
    Quote: tralflot1832
    And what should Erdogan share with Iran?
    Turkey is a NATO country. If the CSTO is Russia, then NATO is the United States.
    For the United States, the issue of Iran has not been removed from the agenda, and even more so for its Middle East ally Israel.
    Iran is being shaken by the United States in many directions, let us remember the USSR and understand everything. For example, interethnic strife, the Americans have been working closely with Azerbaijanis in South Azerbaijan for a long time, the work being conducted from the territory of Turkey. For a long time there has been a certain government of South Azerbaijan and so on.
    That is, Turkey is involved in work against Iran, and even more so it will be involved in military actions or a war against Iran.
  20. Protos
    Protos 17 October 2020 00: 57 New
    0
    Quote: Aron Zaavi
    H'm. In Turkey, they think a little differently.

    Israel thinks that Turkey thinks differently laughing
  21. Antidote
    Antidote 17 October 2020 06: 45 New
    -1
    And if necessary, the Sultan will block the Black Sea and support A-n air defense. Another knife in the back with your own hands. Points many passes.
  22. nnz226
    nnz226 17 October 2020 21: 02 New
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    Erdogan is not too grateful for the S-400 ... His behavior suggests otherwise!