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Kiev does not need "cool yachts" with missiles: the Navy criticized British boats

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Great Britain offered Ukraine a project of combat boats, which allegedly have not yet been produced and sold for any country in the world. But in Kiev, they are not very happy with the British "generosity".


As it became known to the Odessa newspaper "Dumskaya" from sources in the Ukrainian naval forces, high-ranking officials of the Naval Forces of Ukraine give the British project unflattering characteristics. Thus, the commander of the Naval Forces of Ukraine, Rear Admiral Alexei Neizhpapa, at a meeting with his subordinates, called the British boats "cool yachts."

However, immediately after the publication in the newspaper, the Ukrainian military hastened to refute these unflattering characteristics, fearing that London would be offended. Nevertheless, intelligible explanations of criticism from the rear admiral still followed.

As noted in the Ukrainian Navy, the British project is not suitable for the Ukrainian the fleet... This is due to the fact that the UK in modern conditions has no experience in the construction of missile boats. The last boats were built in the 1970s. Since then, in the UK, missile boats have been made only to order for foreign countries, and private companies are engaged in this. It is such a company that is going to offer its project to Kiev. But, in essence, the proposed boat is a large yacht, reminiscent of a civilian vessel, on which missile launchers are mounted.

Therefore, the Ukrainian sailors immediately rejected the British boat as unsuitable for placing a missile weapons... Here it is necessary to take into account the specifics of modern Ukrainian reality: it is one thing - boats for the coast guard of some Bahamas, and quite another - boats for the Navy, given the difficult relations with Russia and the "Crimean issue".

In addition, the project proposed by the British firm is completely new. Such boats have not yet been tested, have not been in service in any of the naval forces of the world, and this also reduces the level of confidence in them from the command of the Naval Forces. London's willingness to finance the construction of new boats did not become an argument either. Even this circumstance does not mean that Kiev is obliged to agree with any proposals of the British side.

However, Great Britain may well start financial blackmail: the point is that the condition for granting a loan for the purchase of boats is the mandatory participation of British military-industrial enterprises in the construction of ships. If Ukraine orders boats from some other country or builds them independently, without using, even partially, the services of British enterprises, then Kiev risks not receiving money.

Meanwhile, the Ukrainian Navy claims that in addition to the British project, there is also a Turkish one. In addition, in Ukraine, its own version of the boat is being developed at the Experimental Design Center for Shipbuilding in Nikolaev. This enterprise, in contrast to the obscure British company, has a fairly good reputation in the field of shipbuilding.

The Ukrainian version of the boat may be even more optimal, since it differs in much smaller dimensions than the British boat, the presence of air defense, while the British project lacks air defense, a high level of autonomy and even the ability to install the Neptune anti-ship missile system.

Now the Ukrainian fleet is in a difficult situation: the British Navy is clearly not needed, but if it is abandoned, London will not give money. Without money, it will be impossible to build your own boats. The vicious circle of the Ukrainian "square".
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  1. Observer2014
    Observer2014 16 October 2020 16: 18
    +7
    Of course, it would have been given to Queen Elizabeth. Then yes! wassat laughing
    1. Shkworen
      Shkworen 16 October 2020 16: 22
      +3
      Queen Elizabeth with rockets, would look epic laughing
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 16 October 2020 17: 57
        +3
        Quote: Shkworen
        Queen Elizabeth with rockets, would look epic

        this admiral, or a goof, take it while they give it, it's a yacht, who will urge you on, go fishing, ride girls with low social responsibility, and the gun stands for beauty, and no one gets to the bottom, plus a team with fuel at the expense of the state. People do not understand their benefits, the Sumerians, as always, dill.
        1. Ascold1901
          Ascold1901 16 October 2020 18: 14
          -1
          Vaughn, and our Nikolashka 2-a, kept a yacht with cannons ("Standard").
          1. Andrei Nikolaevich
            Andrei Nikolaevich 17 October 2020 16: 25
            0
            So our Nikolashka the 2nd, the British also passed. They refused to accept him, with the servants ... But they accepted the gold. And the Bolsheviks decided this "family question" in a proletarian way, quickly and efficiently. They put the whole family against the wall and quickly shot them. So deal with the redheads after that.
        2. ZEMCH
          ZEMCH 16 October 2020 23: 50
          +2
          Quote: tihonmarine
          this admiral, or a goof, take it while they give it, it's a yacht, who will urge you on, go fishing, ride girls with low social responsibility, and the gun stands for beauty, and no one gets to the bottom, plus a team with fuel at the expense of the state. People do not understand their benefits, the Sumerians, as always, dill.

          So money passes by the pocket))) When at home, you can order boats at the price of Queen Elizabeth, and here are yachts with cannons!))) He has already bought a yacht, he does not have enough for a house in Spain)))
          1. Pete mitchell
            Pete mitchell 17 October 2020 01: 42
            0
            Quote: ZEMCH
            So money passes by the pocket))) ... and here ...

            And then there will be no living money, and you won't be able to steal it yourself
            Quote: ZEMCH
            When at home, boats can also be ordered at Queen Elizabeth's price.
    2. BDRM 667
      BDRM 667 16 October 2020 16: 27
      0
      Quote: Observer2014
      Of course, it would have been given to Queen Elizabeth. Then yes!

      Why not Titanic?

      1. kristofer
        kristofer 16 October 2020 17: 14
        +2
        Titanic? but take it, but pick it up
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 16 October 2020 17: 30
          +2
          Quote: kristofer
          Titanic? but take it, but pick it up

          Why take something somewhere? Let the Ukrainian Navy get used to underwater world.
          1. Alexander 3
            Alexander 3 16 October 2020 20: 58
            0
            Come on, let the inflatable ones buy.
    3. Eldorado
      Eldorado 16 October 2020 16: 44
      0
      Take Above, MPLATRK "Trafalgar!"
      1. perm23
        perm23 16 October 2020 17: 13
        +1
        it is impossible the British understand that such a trophy for our Navy will be by the way and the admirals of the VSMU will gladly sell
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 16 October 2020 18: 13
          0
          Quote: perm23
          VSMU admirals will gladly sell

          Who is selling a new yacht?
          1. Sanichsan
            Sanichsan 16 October 2020 20: 57
            0
            Quote: tihonmarine
            Who is selling a new yacht?

            hmmm .. looks like this is the trouble! There are many admirals in Ukraine, but there is only one yacht. on many yachts there are no pittances. in short, did not share which of the admirals the yacht will go laughing
    4. svp67
      svp67 16 October 2020 17: 44
      +1
      Quote: Observer2014
      Of course, it would have been given to Queen Elizabeth. Then yes!

      And would this ship help to "teleport" to the Sea of ​​Azov ... then of course yes ...
      1. Holgerton
        Holgerton 16 October 2020 18: 04
        +1
        Hammer on these Petrosyans, if you are interested in the topic of military-technical cooperation and would like to read the original source, from where VO copied this news with a 90% probability of copy-pasting, then this Telegram channel "Militarist" is more detailed there and without bias it is described, further direct speech:
        In Ukraine, disputes unfolded over the construction of British boats for the country's navy.

        It is noted that “the British project is not suitable, and here the naval commander is not dissembling,” says one of the naval specialists. - You have to understand that the United Kingdom has not built missile boats for its fleet since the 1970s. Yes, there are private firms that do this, but for foreign customers. The project of just such a company was offered to Ukraine. Yes, she has a long history of orders, both civil and military, she even participated in the design of aircraft carriers, this is a serious organization. But the project she proposed is, indeed, a large yacht. It looks very much like a civilian ship, which has been completed with missile launchers. This boat, technically and structurally, cannot be a platform for weapons of destruction, especially for missile weapons. "

        In addition, the British do not offer something that has already been embodied in metal: the project is completely new, such boats have not yet been made for any country in the world.

        And the fact that the UK will finance the construction does not mean that the Ukrainian Navy is simply obliged to stop at its project: the program is Ukrainian-British, the fleet is the customer and has the right to choose what it needs. This is the subject of negotiations that have just begun.

        “Besides the notorious 'yacht', there are two more options: Turkish and Ukrainian. As for the Turkish, then, according to the fragmentary information available, we are talking about the construction of a corvette. Ukrainian, indeed, developed the Nikolaev Research and Design Center for Shipbuilding (DPKTs), which, by the way, works quite successfully, including for foreign customers, but this is not the modernization of the Soviet "Molniya", not the RCA "Groza", as you mentioned earlier wrote that this is a completely different project, quite modern, which meets the requirements for such ships. It is faster, more versatile, much smaller than the British one, with anti-aircraft weapons (the British boat does not have an air defense system), a powerful weapon, with the necessary autonomy for warships and involves the installation of a naval version of the Neptune anti-ship missile system. The latter, I must say, is quite realistic to do in a year or two. This is a real "mosquito fleet".

        All three options compete and have their supporters and opponents among the leaders of the Ministry of Defense and the Navy: “The sailors like the Ukrainian project, but it’s important who will build: if the Forge on Rybalsky, then this is bad, if Nibulon, that is the chances are that you get a decent boat. In general, the discussion continues. "
        1. ZEMCH
          ZEMCH 16 October 2020 23: 57
          +1
          Quote: Holgerton
          but this is not a modernization of the Soviet Molniya, not the Groza RCA, as you wrote about earlier, this is a completely different project, quite modern, which meets the requirements for such ships. It is faster, more versatile, much smaller than the British one, with anti-aircraft weapons (the British boat does not have an air defense system), a powerful weapon, with the necessary autonomy for warships and involves the installation of a naval version of the Neptune anti-ship missile system.

          I'm afraid to ask, what kind of air defense is Neizhpapa going to install on his boat? And also Neptune and a powerful cannon!)) And also in a displacement less than the British one and so that it starts up and breaks away from the pier!))). I won't say anything about shooting all this, while the main thing is to put it)))
        2. abc_alex
          abc_alex 17 October 2020 10: 06
          0
          And what is fundamentally new in the etrm version? All the same mistakes and omissions, all the same desire to show off and cover up unpleasant circumstances.
          For a start, the boats of this project are not only built by Britain. For example, now they are being built by the Greeks. Note, modernized, serially and for myself. And not 4 pieces for Qatar 20 years ago, like that "serious organization". By the way, the British Navy does not have missile boats at all.
          Further. This is a project of a missile boat, this is not a civilian ship, you never know what is in the fantasies of the ukroadmiral.
          Further. It will be built by a private company, so the weapons there will be what the customer requires. Another question is that Ukraine does not have its own weapons and the basic version is offered in equipment "as then" for Qatar.
          Further. An essential condition for the loan is that at least 20% of the amount of funds must be spent through British enterprises. At the same time, the British refuse to finance the Nikolaev shipyards flatly - the owner is Russian. So, alas, ukram will have to implement their own project at their own expense. And the Turks are unlikely to agree to transfer a fifth of the contract to the side.

          So in real life there is no competition between projects. Rather, it is, but the billion will be given only for the British project. The rest are at their own expense.
          1. Holgerton
            Holgerton 17 October 2020 18: 27
            +1
            Well, let's just say, I threw off the most complete information that I found at that time, it is clearly better than what VO published.
            Well, regarding the boat itself, I did not find much about the British version, but there are interesting details regarding the Turkish and Ukrainian ones.

            First, the Turks are offering small corvettes. Instead of the previously announced 8 missile boats, 5-6 small corvettes are supposed, depending on the configuration, the number of ammunition, spare parts, missile defense systems for maintenance, training of crews, as well as warranty support.
            It will not be a problem for the Turks to give part of the contract to British enterprises due to the fact that Turkey buys some of the components for its ships abroad, and for the Ukrainian project they may well purchase a whole range of equipment, for example, in this case, it can be radar, electronic warfare and RTR stations. OELS, main and / or auxiliary artillery installations, torpedoes and GAS (in the case of small corvettes), some missile armament, but the anti-ship missile system will be Exocet / NSM anyway, unless Harpoon is pushed through.
            In any case, the Turks will have a choice, either to get a contract and give part to the British, or not to get it at all, so their choice is obvious here.
            Secondly, regarding the Ukrainian option.
            It is really offered by the Nikolaev shipbuilding design center (I don’t remember exactly the name), but the construction will not be carried out by the ChSZ with the Russian owner, but by another private contractor represented by the Nibulon group, whose shipbuilding plant of the same name is working quite successfully and has quite good and modern equipment , it seems, even received an EU certificate and the French chose it as a base for localizing some of the ordered "Avakov patrol boats".
            And finally, in any of the three options, the Ukrainian side insists on using its own power plants developed by Zorya-Mashproekt and Neizhpapa refuses to compromise on this, the development of a detection radar for Neptune has not yet been completed, so about Neptune itself "there is no talk of the ordered ships, Korostelev himself said that it takes 1,5 years to develop the ship version.

            Well, what of this is true and how it will actually be seen, most likely in late 2020 - early 2021.
            1. abc_alex
              abc_alex 19 October 2020 01: 26
              0
              Quote: Holgerton
              Well, regarding the boat itself, I did not find much about the British version, but there are interesting details regarding the Turkish and Ukrainian ones.

              Look for the Super Vita project. For the last 30 years, the British did not have another missile boat project. These boats are being built in Greece.

              Displacement 570 tons (full); dimensions 61,9 x 9,5 x 2,6 m.Diesels (MTU 16V595) 4 x 4500 hp; 4 shafts; test speed 34,2 knots. Crew 5/40 people; autonomy for stocks of provisions 7 days. Armament: 4 anti-ship missiles "Exocet" М40 (2 х II); anti-aircraft missile system RIM-116 RAM (1 x XXI), 1-76-mm L / 62 gun "OTO Melara Super Rapi", 2-30-mm L / 80 machine gun "Melara / Mauser" (2 x I), 2 —533 mm torpedo tubes (for wire torpedoes), two track tracks for receiving mines. Electronic weapons: Decca Bridgemaster ARPA navigation radar, Thales Scout Mk.2 surface target detection radar, Thales Variant MW-08 air targets, Thales Sting fire control radar, Thales Mirador FD electronic warfare station; combat information and control system “Thales Tacticos.


              Quote: Holgerton
              the Turks offer small corvettes. Instead of the previously announced 8 missile boats, 5-6 small corvettes are supposed, depending on the configuration, the number of ammunition, spare parts, missile defense systems for maintenance, training of crews, as well as warranty support.


              Perhaps, but you understand that it is not the Turks, but the British who determine which ships will be paid for. And don't forget, the British have their own corvettes, and if it were corvettes, they would suggest corvettes.

              Quote: Holgerton
              First, the Turks are offering small corvettes. Instead of the previously announced 8 missile boats, 5-6 small corvettes are supposed, depending on the configuration, the number of ammunition, spare parts, missile defense systems for maintenance, training of crews, as well as warranty support.


              You would slice the sturgeon. Turkish serial corvettes of the Ada type cost 260 million dollars for the Turkish Navy. That is, even without all the bonuses, 4 boards will hardly fit into a billion. Not 5 and certainly not 6 with infrastructure, training and a guarantee.

              Quote: Holgerton
              It will not be a problem for the Turks to give part of the contract to British enterprises due to the fact that Turkey buys some of the components for its ships abroad, and for the Ukrainian project they may well purchase a whole range of equipment, for example, in this case, it can be radar, electronic warfare and RTR stations. OELS, main and / or auxiliary artillery installations, torpedoes and GAS (in the case of small corvettes), some missile armament, but the anti-ship missile system will be Exocet / NSM anyway, unless Harpoon is pushed through.


              But you do understand that this means a significant increase in the cost of the project? You can't just take one radar and replace it with another, from another manufacturer. We need a revision of the project. How much would such a ship then cost? If he's already 260 million?

              Quote: Holgerton
              In any case, the Turks will have a choice, either to get a contract and give part to the British, or not to get it at all, so their choice is obvious here.

              And the Turks are not in tears here, I assure you. In 2018, the Turks won a tender for 4 corvettes for Pakistan. Negotiations are underway with Bangladesh and even Canada. Apart from what they build for themselves.

              Quote: Holgerton
              but the construction will not be carried out by a ChSZ with a Russian owner, but by another private contractor represented by the Nibulon group, whose shipbuilding plant of the same name is quite successfully operating and has fairly good and modern equipment


              NIBULON is an agricultural holding. His shipbuilding interest does not extend beyond the repair and construction of river barges and tugs. He did not build anything more complicated. ChSZ is the only enterprise in Ukraine that actually, and not in theory, build a warship. The Ukrainians themselves admit this. Neither NIBULON nor "Forge", in their opinion, are capable of building a missile boat.

              Quote: Holgerton
              And finally, in any of the three options, the Ukrainian side insists on using its own power plants developed by Zorya-Mashproekt

              Yes, she can insist on anything. But the fact is that the boats have a diesel engine. Replace it with a gas turbine? Then the boats will never be made, they will have to be redesigned from scratch, and corvettes will become even more expensive and the number will be reduced from hypothetical 4 to real 3.

              Quote: Holgerton
              Neizpapa refuses to compromise on this

              This is what I believe at once and forever and ever. :)
    5. Senka naughty
      Senka naughty 16 October 2020 17: 57
      +1
      According to the conservative estimates of A. Neizhpapa, the 10 boats were to include 3 destroyers, 3 frigates, 1 aircraft carrier and 3 nuclear submarines. Zelensky generally suggested that the islanders take money in order not to distract the queen from important state affairs. sukhs
    6. Simargl
      Simargl 16 October 2020 18: 59
      0
      Quote: Observer2014
      Of course, it would have been given to Queen Elizabeth. Then yes!
      They had an almost ready Eagle. So he doesn't even have money to paint.
    7. Vasyan1971
      Vasyan1971 16 October 2020 19: 23
      +3
      Quote: Observer2014
      Of course, it would have been given to Queen Elizabeth. Then yes! wassat laughing

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  2. Ax Matt
    Ax Matt 16 October 2020 16: 22
    +5
    The lot of traitors and sycophants is always to follow the will of the owner. Get used to it, lads. laughing
    1. antivirus
      antivirus 16 October 2020 21: 02
      -3
      and they are happy - envy them in silence .......................................... .................................................. .................................................. ..........
  3. Scharnhorst
    Scharnhorst 16 October 2020 16: 25
    +2
    Was the Ukrainian admiral allowed to contradict the English masters ?! I am very afraid that his sound authoritative opinion will be shoved into him much deeper, well, or he himself admits his mistake publicly ...
    1. nnm
      nnm 16 October 2020 16: 27
      +5
      I wouldn't be surprised if very soon he becomes a retired admiral ...
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 16 October 2020 16: 40
        +3
        Quote: nnm
        I wouldn't be surprised if very soon he becomes a retired admiral ...

        Let this be yes , otherwise they will suddenly appoint someone else, and not so funny ...
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 16 October 2020 18: 14
          0
          Quote: Insurgent
          Let this one be, otherwise they will suddenly appoint another, and not so funny ...

          Yes, it probably never gets funnier.
        2. Simargl
          Simargl 16 October 2020 19: 01
          +1
          Quote: Insurgent
          Let this one be, otherwise they will suddenly appoint another, and not so funny ...
          Admiral of a flotilla of five boats? How much funnier?
    2. Alex bergman
      Alex bergman 16 October 2020 16: 32
      0
      Yes, he just does not see the option of his earnings. And the hunting of the forest of captivity!;))) He knows that the owner will get it in the teeth, but ... I really want to eat!
    3. halpat
      halpat 16 October 2020 21: 48
      0
      Quote: Scharnhorst
      Was the Ukrainian admiral allowed to contradict the English masters ?! I am very afraid that his sound authoritative opinion will be shoved into him much deeper, well, or he himself admits his mistake publicly ...

      This is not the owner, but the owner's senior clerk.
      Himself does not yet know what is going on. But when it becomes clearer, they will take away, as recently, the decommissioned buckets of the Coast Guard and 3 times more expensive than the new ones (if there is Trump), and they will bow down to the ground: Use you, good fellow ...
      Well, this ... weapons will still be sold separately.
    4. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 17 October 2020 01: 02
      0
      Quote: Scharnhorst
      Was the Ukrainian admiral allowed to contradict the English masters ?! I am very afraid that his sound authoritative opinion will be shoved into him much deeper, well, or he himself admits his mistake publicly ...

      Why should he be afraid?
      Born 9 October 1975 (45 years)
      Graduated from the Sevastopol Naval Institute in 1997
      There is enough length of service just right - they will send you a retirement ...
      No, well, he admits his "mistakes", of course. And even the admiral's pension will not be counted ...

      I just can't pronounce his surname correctly the first time. I keep rolling down to the word for which administrators give a ban on VO. laughing Well, we also have
      Only a very well-mannered person can correctly say the last name and patronymic of the Chairman of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation
      laughing
  4. Tusv
    Tusv 16 October 2020 16: 30
    +6
    Right. Why yachts with rockets? Ukrainian admirals need yachts without missiles, otherwise how the moth will press the wrong button and immediately without a yacht, without missiles and without admirals
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 16 October 2020 16: 34
      +4
      Quote: Tusv
      Right. Why yachts with rockets? Ukrainian admirals need yachts without missiles, otherwise how the moth will press the wrong button and immediately without a yacht, without missiles and without admirals



      And yak well todi Outskirts without admirals request ? This is not possible No. Not at all possible ...
      1. Eldorado
        Eldorado 16 October 2020 16: 42
        +2
        Quote: Insurgent
        Quote: Tusv
        Right. Why yachts with rockets? Ukrainian admirals need yachts without missiles, otherwise how the moth will press the wrong button and immediately without a yacht, without missiles and without admirals



        And yak well todi Outskirts without admirals request ? This is not possible No. Not at all possible ...

        In Ukraine, there are significantly more admirals than ships.
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 16 October 2020 16: 47
          +3
          Quote: El Dorado
          In Ukraine, there are significantly more admirals than ships.

          Tse personnel reserve. That's when the whole armada of rafts is lowered into the water, that's when you must go and shake it ...

          Sala Outskirts!

          And finally ... What are the claims? Vona, Hungarian dictator fascist admiral Horthy, had no fleet at all wassat
          1. Niel-le-Calais
            Niel-le-Calais 16 October 2020 21: 47
            -4
            Quote: Insurgent
            Vona, Hungarian dictator fascist admiral Horthy, had no fleet at all

            Hungary is a landlocked state in central Europe
            Horthy was not a fascist. He was an ally of Germany.
            Vice Admiral of the Austro-Hungarian Navy, won a number of victories, in March 1918 was appointed Commander-in-Chief of the Fleet
            He had a fleet
            Hungarian Danube Flotilla
            Czechoslovak-Hungarian War, World War II - that's where the sailors of the Hungarian Flotilla took part.
        2. ZEMCH
          ZEMCH 17 October 2020 00: 02
          +2
          Quote: El Dorado
          In Ukraine, there are significantly more admirals than ships.

          Somehow one of the Svidomo responded to me that, like in Germany after the Versailles Peace, the main thing is to keep the officer cadres, that's why there are so many admirals, generals and other senior officers)))
      2. Tusv
        Tusv 16 October 2020 19: 25
        0
        Quote: Insurgent
        And yak todi Outskirts without admiral request? So it is not possible no In no time is it possible ...

        Yak or yak. New ones are being recruited. And we will certainly be accused of the disproportionate use of force.
    2. Pereira
      Pereira 16 October 2020 16: 34
      +2
      These boats are too good for the Outskirts. It would be easier for them to do something. And for nothing.
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 16 October 2020 18: 16
      +1
      Quote: Tusv
      Why yachts with rockets? Ukrainian admirals need yachts without missiles

      Yes, they will not be given missiles, and if they are allowed to send them to the warehouses, push for effect. The yacht is new and beautiful.
  5. Nikolai Petrov
    Nikolai Petrov 16 October 2020 16: 33
    +2
    Well things, svidomye what? Do they dream about nuclear weapons? Well well. They gave him a naked shirt (boats, and he dreams of an aircraft carrier, the main thing is that for nothing), and he says: Thorny! By the way Svidomo except for chavny on oars can not trust anything. They either sell or ditch. And even the owners won't let them build nuclear weapons. They know better than anyone about the insane.
  6. Thrifty
    Thrifty 16 October 2020 16: 43
    +2
    There is only one option - and then ask the USA for their second-hand ships, although they are patrol and old, but firstly, almost for free, and secondly, you can put your own weapons on them, unlike the English ones yachting pseudo-combat boats.
  7. Rubi0
    Rubi0 16 October 2020 16: 49
    +2
    It's not a ball from the USSR to get, now you will have to get up
  8. maktub
    maktub 16 October 2020 16: 50
    +1
    Article from the observatory Only the manufacturer, BAE Systems is known, neither the project nor the characteristics are known
    More from obs. Today Ze in Turkey will sign an agreement within the framework of the "Corvette" project
    1. ZEMCH
      ZEMCH 17 October 2020 00: 05
      +1
      More from obs. Today Ze in Turkey will sign an agreement within the framework of the "Corvette" project

      The Turks will build for credit money, but what kind of weapons to install, you will have to buy weapons separately)))
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  10. Alien From
    Alien From 16 October 2020 16: 56
    +1
    You can't even trust these guys with snow in winter, they'll crush them. What other loans are there .....
  11. Tagan
    Tagan 16 October 2020 17: 03
    +1
    Here the other day one "comrade" gave a grudge that everything will be hockey - boats will definitely be built! A-oo-oo)))
  12. Tagan
    Tagan 16 October 2020 17: 07
    +2
    Quote: maktub
    Article from the observatory Only the manufacturer, BAE Systems is known, neither the project nor the characteristics are known
    More from obs. Today Ze in Turkey will sign an agreement within the framework of the "Corvette" project

    What is a similar project in Ukraine? This has not been going on for the first year. It's simple - there are no babos of their own and are not expected. Moreover, everyone knows how to lend to these friends.
    1. maktub
      maktub 16 October 2020 17: 35
      0
      Exactly, right to the point, the only question is why the UK allocates 1,2 billion pounds for the construction of these boats, plus the accompanying infrastructure
      1. Katanikotael
        Katanikotael 16 October 2020 17: 47
        0
        They give a loan "now" for ships "later", whether there will be ships or not, it does not really matter, what matters is that the loan will be and the money must be repaid with interest!
        1. maktub
          maktub 16 October 2020 17: 52
          0
          Funny, the classic spoke better about chairs laughing
  13. Maks1995
    Maks1995 16 October 2020 17: 17
    0
    Some kind of garbage.
    It is clear that nothing is clear.

    They wrote that
    1) bought amerovskie boats.
    2) We signed a contract for British boats.
    3) Is this project the 2nd or some new one?
    Nifiga is not clear.

    and where does "give money for their boats"?
    1. maktub
      maktub 16 October 2020 17: 26
      +1
      The same English, for 8 missile boats
  14. tatarin1972
    tatarin1972 16 October 2020 17: 20
    +2
    Own Navy is an expensive pleasure, why is it "chubaty" ??? One of them has already gone, that did not sink, stands at the wall and waits for cutting into "needles".
  15. Lex_is
    Lex_is 16 October 2020 17: 24
    +1
    Heroic attempts of Ukrainian admirals to take money from the British and saw them yourself build your own version of the boat in Nikolaev is very encouraging.

    In addition, the project proposed by the British firm is completely new. Such boats have not yet been tested, have not been in service in any of the naval forces of the world.


    Great Britain in modern conditions has no experience in building missile boats. The last boats were built in the 1970s.


    We are talking about fast strike craft of the Barzan (Vita) class. They were designed in 1992 for Qatar, built in a stake. 4 things. in 1996 - 1998.

    And a little more detail about the "unarmed yachts" offered by Britain.

    Displacement 380t
    Speed ​​35
    Range of 1800 miles at 12 knots
    Ukrainian sailors immediately rejected the British boat as unsuitable for placing missile weapons.

    there are no air defense systems on the British project

    Surface-to-surface missiles 2x4 MM40 Exocet
    Surface-to-air missile 1x6 Sadral for Mistral
    Artillery
    1x76 mm Oto Melara
    1x30mm Thales Nederland

    Engines
    4 diesels MTU 20V 538 TB93, 13,8 MW
    Active dampers

    Better on your own sawing the loot design, so everything will be much better.
  16. Irek
    Irek 16 October 2020 17: 47
    -1
    Born to grunt in the mud, finally nothing is necessary.
  17. Sidor Amenpodestovich
    Sidor Amenpodestovich 16 October 2020 17: 52
    +2
    The vicious circle of the Ukrainian "square".

    This is called the "genot wheel".
  18. Whirlwind
    Whirlwind 16 October 2020 18: 20
    -1
    What boats? Let the aircraft carrier Zelya be built immediately. Not necessarily gigantic, it could be the size of a boat for launching drones.
    Where is Commander-in-Chief Zelya going to train officers for the Navy, which in fact also does not exist? And why would it be if Vukraina is a bankrupt state with a comedian at the head, who travels around the world with tours, but serves bad ...
  19. boriz
    boriz 16 October 2020 18: 24
    0
    "This venture, unlike an obscure British firm, has a pretty good reputation in the shipbuilding industry."
    Had once.
  20. TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 16 October 2020 18: 54
    0
    If the British, "charged" a normal "cutlet", pozriots in Kueva, everything would go like clockwork. But Britons are greedy)))
  21. Tagan
    Tagan 16 October 2020 19: 09
    +3
    Quote: maktub
    Exactly, right to the point, the only question is why the UK allocates 1,2 billion pounds for the construction of these boats, plus the accompanying infrastructure

    What infrastructure?
    They give credit to themselves if you don't get it. several boats will be built shaved for a part of that very loan.))) Ukro, they will again have it.
  22. Gray-haired Zinnik
    Gray-haired Zinnik 16 October 2020 20: 33
    0
    Just right to roll admirals of the Navy
  23. Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 16 October 2020 20: 48
    +2
    “Here it is necessary to take into account the specifics of modern Ukrainian reality: it is one thing - boats for the coast guard of some Bahamas, and quite another - boats for the Navy, given the difficult relations with Russia and the“ Crimean issue ”.
    I don't see much difference. For this, there is a technical assignment. And what does the Crimean / non-Crimean question have to do with it? ...

    "The last boats were built back in the 1970s. Since then, the UK has been making missile boats only to order for foreign countries, and private companies are engaged in this. It is such a company that is going to offer its project to Kiev."
    So what? Has Britain lost its competence in the construction of missile boats?! ..
    "In addition, the project proposed by the British company is completely new. Such boats have not yet been tested, have not been in service in any of the world's naval forces, and this also reduces the level of confidence in them on the part of the command of the Naval Forces." London to take on financing the construction of new boats. Even this circumstance does not mean that Kiev is obliged to agree with any proposals of the British side. "
    What nonsense ?! Any project has never been tested / not served ...
    "The Ukrainian version of the boat can be even more optimal"
    There is certainly one big BUT.
    UA can give birth to this very boat - up to new brooms. And as a result, nothing is obtained from the exhaust.
    And then the guys, one way or another, will build it. And they will force you to buy. Anyway.
    Here is such a vision from Feodosia visited me, in the light of reading the article. hi
    1. Niel-le-Calais
      Niel-le-Calais 16 October 2020 22: 35
      -1
      Quote: Benzorez
      Since then, in the UK, missile boats have been made only to order for foreign countries, and private companies are engaged in this. It is such a company that is going to offer its project to Kiev. "

      "Elzvik cruisers"
      Sir WG Armstrong & Company.
      Esmeralda.
      built 51 cruisers for the fleets of 12 countries and none for their own country.
      Private traders in many countries build for export and only for export.
      If we compare the projects, then we are talking about the Q04 Barzan of the Vita project, which the UK was building for the Qatar Navy
      this is a firm
      Vosper Thornycroft (part of BAE Systems since 2008)
      so here it was founded in 1866
      Already in 1877, the shipyard, commissioned by the British Royal Navy, built the first steam-powered seagoing torpedo bomber, which became the prototype for a whole class of warships. In the next century, Thornycroft remained and remains among the regular suppliers of small and medium ships for the British Navy, and in the post-war period, the shipyard began to pay attention to the private fleet.
      And they are really building megayachts now (it's profitable)
      After a recent £ 6m upgrade, the site is one of the most technologically advanced in Britain, capable of constructing ships up to 800 tonnes.
      1. Petrol cutter
        Petrol cutter 16 October 2020 23: 06
        0
        Yes, I know the Thornycroft and their contribution to the development of torpedo boats.
  24. Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 16 October 2020 22: 00
    0
    http://srdsc.com/ru/warships-and-crafts/
  25. Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 16 October 2020 22: 20
    +1
    Quote: maktub
    Article from the observatory Only the manufacturer, BAE Systems is known, neither the project nor the characteristics are known
    More from obs. Today Ze in Turkey will sign an agreement within the framework of the "Corvette" project

    how many and actively Ukraine has signed)))) mountains of papers - fucking money ... until you find money and build it ... in general, you can add something to the common piggy bank for new tanks, F-16 / Grippen, Neptune's battery, add boats and corvettes .... "how much has not been done, but how much has yet to be done" (C)
  26. lopuhan2006
    lopuhan2006 16 October 2020 22: 47
    +1
    Any discord with the enemy is in our favor. Any extra piece of equipment from Ukraine, as a reason for another provocation.
  27. cat Rusich
    cat Rusich 16 October 2020 23: 04
    +2
    A. Neizhpap of the Naval Forces of Ukraine had a "voice cut through" ... "Porridge from the boiler" didn't get it? Or "Turkish lula kebab" is tastier ...
  28. Slipper 2
    Slipper 2 17 October 2020 06: 07
    0
    Nah goat boyan? The herd needs a landmark, not disorientation in the world and space
  29. Eug
    Eug 17 October 2020 07: 43
    0
    So it turns out that Zelensky signed an agreement without agreement with the military? Or have they not received their share yet?
  30. woyt.69
    woyt.69 17 October 2020 14: 09
    0
    The very thing that is necessary for an independent Ukraine will be written off in 5 years, deputies and generals will buy it out at cost. Everything will be fine (paid cruises to Greece on yachts)
    1. Slipper 2
      Slipper 2 17 October 2020 15: 01
      0
      in five years, I hope we will, who will remain, look for something / someone to eat for today
  31. Old26
    Old26 17 October 2020 17: 42
    +2
    Quote: Simargl
    They had an almost ready Eagle. So he doesn't even have money to paint.

    They never had "Orlan", even if it was almost finished ...
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