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Russian tanks T-72B3M and T-80BVM will undergo further modernization

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Russian tanks T-72B3M and T-80BVM will undergo further modernization

Russian Tanks T-72B3M and T-80BVM will undergo further modernization, during which they will receive the Lesochek electronic warfare (EW) complex. This is stated in the materials of the 38th Scientific Research Testing Institute of Armored Weapons and Equipment (NII BTVT) of the Russian Ministry of Defense.


The institute's specialists propose, as part of the further modernization of the T-72BM3 and T-80BVM tanks, to install on them the Arena-M active protection complex, additional reactive armor units along the sides, as well as replace the Contact-5 dynamic protection with Relikt. In addition, it is proposed to install the Lesochek electronic warfare system on tanks, which suppresses radio channels for controlling mines and improvised explosive devices.

In order to further increase the survivability of the T-72B3M and T-80BVM tanks on the battlefield, it is proposed to equip them with the Lesochek electronic warfare system

- TASS cites materials of the institute.

It is also proposed to install an electromagnetic protection system and an autonomous reusable fire protection system on the tanks.

It should be noted that at the end of September, the BTVT Research Institute proposed a similar upgrade for the T-90M tank, but instead of the Relikt reactive armor, it was proposed to install a reactive armor similar to the T-14 Armata.

Previously, the research institute specialists suggested continuing the modernization of the T-90M, T-72B3 and T-80BVM tanks after 2025. According to the calculations of the research institute, until that time, the modernized Russian tanks T-72B3M, T-80BVM and T-90M in terms of their capabilities and efficiency will maintain parity with the main battle tanks of foreign countries.
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  1. svp67
    svp67 16 October 2020 13: 11 New
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    Russian tanks T-72B3M and T-80BVM will undergo further modernization
    Well done guys from UVZ, give modernization "an hour by a teaspoon", not forgetting to keep this "golden spoon" ...
    When will the old BKPs of these tanks be replaced with new ones, which make it possible to move in reverse, at least at a speed of 20 km per hour, not to mention 30, as it is on NATO vehicles. Well, this does not require many mental costs, and the benefits for increasing the combat properties of tanks are great.
    1. Ded_Mazay
      Ded_Mazay 16 October 2020 13: 43 New
      -1
      Never. Where are you going to push the new KP? The MTO T-series machines are packed extremely tightly and there is no place for units other than the BKP.
      1. svp67
        svp67 16 October 2020 15: 17 New
        +8
        Quote: Ded_Mazay
        Never. Where are you going to push the new KP

        Instead of the old BKP. On the old BKPs, they had to make SEVEN forward gears, for a more flexible use of the power of a not very powerful engine, its power was then less than 800 l / s. On the T-80, where a thousand-horsepower engine has already appeared, it became possible to use the BKP with FOUR forward gears. Now the tanks of the T-72B3 series are equipped with an engine with a capacity of 1130 hp, which prevents from reworking the BKP leaving at least FIVE forward gears, consider that this is still a diesel engine, not a GTE and introduce another reverse gear. NEVER MIND.
        Moreover, a "hydrostatic" transmission was completely "crammed" into the standard MTO of the T-80 tank, which further increased its maneuverability.
        So, that everything is there, there is simply no desire and opportunity for the MONOPOLIST to achieve a normal modernization of the tank, for a reasonable price
        1. Ded_Mazay
          Ded_Mazay 16 October 2020 16: 27 New
          -2
          Unfortunately, what you are saying is at the level of theory. And if it were possible in practice, it would most likely have been done long ago. But it didn't work out. Apparently, there are some difficulties that go beyond the "harmonious" theoretical calculations.
          1. svp67
            svp67 16 October 2020 17: 09 New
            +7
            Quote: Ded_Mazay
            Unfortunately, what you are saying is at the level of theory. And if it were possible in practice, it would most likely have been done long ago. But it didn't work out. Apparently, there are some difficulties that go beyond the "harmonious" theoretical calculations.

            It's funny to talk not with specialists ...
            Sorry ... good point. But the Kharkiv residents apparently did not know him when they installed similar BKPs on their "Oplot", and on the hull it was still a Soviet T-80UD, allowing their tank to move back at a speed of 30 km / h ...

            Do you want to say that our tank designers faced an unsolvable problem, that is, in other words, they turned out to be Dumber than their Kharkov colleagues?
            So no. This summer I managed to climb the T-72B3 model of 2016, where the mechanic has a rear-view camera screen. REAR VIEW CAMERA, CARL !!! It turns out that the mechanic does not need to be controlled when moving backward, as the commander had to do earlier ...
            1. Ded_Mazay
              Ded_Mazay 16 October 2020 18: 00 New
              -5
              Once again, "if we could have done it, we would have done it already." And by "could" I mean not only the technical component. But apparently no one needs it, neither UVZ nor MO.
              1. svp67
                svp67 16 October 2020 18: 02 New
                +2
                Quote: Ded_Mazay
                But apparently no one needs it, neither UVZ nor MO.

                UVZ - no, MO - yes ... But since UVZ is a monopolist, it's hard to deal with it
            2. Simargl
              Simargl 17 October 2020 12: 49 New
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              Quote: svp67
              This summer I managed to climb the T-72B3 model of 2016, where the mechanic has a rear-view camera screen. REAR VIEW CAMERA, CARL !!!
              Well, Ali has a set of 5000 rubles. worth it.
          2. Bad_gr
            Bad_gr 16 October 2020 18: 02 New
            +2
            Quote: svp67
            On old BKPs, it was forced to make SEVEN forward gears, for a more flexible use of the power of a not very powerful engine,
            On the T-72, two gearboxes with 7 gears, most likely, were inherited from the T-64, where, with its resourceful engine, there are not many other options: the rpm is slightly below nominal and there is no power. On the T-80 with its turbine, which can maintain power in a wide range, 3 forward gears are quite enough. Diesel T-72 is somewhere in between: it is more plastic than 5tdf (6tdf), but less flexible than the turbine.
            Quote: Ded_Mazay
            Unfortunately, what you are saying is at the level of theory.

            On the T-14 there is a box with a reverse: how many gears forward, the same amount back.
            1. Ded_Mazay
              Ded_Mazay 16 October 2020 18: 37 New
              -3
              And what does the T-14 have to do with it? As far as I understand, the KP has nothing to do with the BKP.
              1. Bad_gr
                Bad_gr 16 October 2020 18: 45 New
                +3
                Quote: Ded_Mazay
                And what does the T-14 have to do with it? As far as I understand, the KP has nothing to do with the BKP.
                So these tanks are made at the same plant, the same design bureau is designing, and if they believed that the T-72 should move backwards very quickly, then the command post would be appropriate.
                On the T-80, even when they were put up for a Greek tender, there was a hydrostatic transmission. Here it would be in the troops, but dear, we can hardly wait.
            2. svp67
              svp67 17 October 2020 22: 39 New
              0
              Quote: Bad_gr
              On the T-72, two gearboxes with 7 gears, most likely, were inherited from the T-64

              They are structurally similar, but different, that is, they are not interchangeable.
              1. Bad_gr
                Bad_gr 18 October 2020 00: 38 New
                +1
                Quote: svp67
                They are structurally similar but different, that is, they are not interchangeable.
                By itself. Where did it start:
                When the task was set at three factories (in Kharkov, St. Petersburg and at UVZ) to produce the T-64 tank, except for Kharkovites, the rest of the factories were not delighted with it. Specifically, UVZ, having driven the tank through its ranges, received cracks in the bottom, since the short torsion bars of the 64 were fixed in the center of the bottom, under the place where the eyes were fastened, cracks began. We replaced the suspension with our own (from object 167), where the torsion bars were attached to the sides and did not have such a problem. The bottom was changed to a more rigid one, since the automatic loader (from object-167) had a conveyor located on the bottom, and was not attached to the tower, like in the T-64. The same metamorphosis occurred with the engine compartment: since the 5tdf engine was produced only in Kharkov and not only was expensive and unreliable, it was produced in quantities only at our own plant, they replaced the engine with our own, and when it was changed to a more powerful one, they changed it and boxes for high power.
                By the way, a jamb with a weakened zone in the area of ​​the driver's viewing devices (a trick of the T-64 hull) could be corrected by putting object-167 on the conveyor (he was a candidate for the T-90), but the decision was made during the Yeltsin era, and as he said Grachev "chose a cheaper option" (the 187 was slightly cheaper than the T-80 and 2-odd more expensive than the T-72). And the T-90 series went on the basis of the T-72.
    2. lucul
      lucul 16 October 2020 14: 03 New
      +9
      Well done guys from UVZ, give modernization "an hour by a teaspoon", not forgetting to keep this "golden spoon" ...

      Let me remind you that in 1940-41, during the modernization of the army, they did not introduce many "expensive" innovations - high-quality walkie-talkies on aircraft and tanks, high-quality sighting devices, duralumin for aircraft fuselages, etc. and so on ... they considered it too expensive, they will cope so , there are enough people.
      And when, by 1944, they faced a wild shortage of available personnel, they suddenly began to switch to the latest technology, completely disregarding its price - the main thing was to gain an advantage over the enemy, because there was no one to fight.
      Now is the same moment ...
      1. Alf
        Alf 16 October 2020 16: 40 New
        +7
        Quote: lucul
        in 1940-41, during the modernization of the army, they did not introduce many "expensive" innovations - high-quality walkie-talkies on aircraft and tanks, high-quality sighting devices, duralumin for aircraft fuselages, and so on and so forth ...

        All this was not in working form and in sufficient quantity.
        1. Simargl
          Simargl 17 October 2020 12: 53 New
          0
          Quote: Alf
          All this was not in working form and in sufficient quantity.
          When they don't have their own, they buy in the same USA.
          When "time is running out" - sluggish funding ... but how it does - honey agarics in three ways.
          List offhand directions that were considered unpromising, and then bought from the bourgeoisie?
          1. Alf
            Alf 17 October 2020 18: 37 New
            +1
            Quote: Simargl
            When they don't have their own, they buy in the same USA.

            Will they sell it? Throughout the war, our people asked the United States for walkie-talkies, they refused all the time overseas.
            And then what to buy all the time? Don't need to do your own? Ours and B-17 with B-24 asked, from there they said no.
            1. Simargl
              Simargl 17 October 2020 19: 22 New
              0
              Quote: Alf
              Don't need to do your own?
              In fact of the matter!
              And I said about it:
              Quote: Simargl
              List offhand directions that were considered unpromising, and then bought from the bourgeoisie?
              1. Alf
                Alf 17 October 2020 19: 30 New
                +2
                Quote: Simargl
                Quote: Alf
                Don't need to do your own?
                In fact of the matter!
                And I said about it:
                Quote: Simargl
                List offhand directions that were considered unpromising, and then bought from the bourgeoisie?

                Was equipping aircraft with radio stations considered unpromising? Did they think that wood for an airplane is better than duralumin? All three new fighters MIG-1, LAGG-1, Yak-1, according to the requirements of the Air Force, MUST be equipped with radio stations.
                1. Simargl
                  Simargl 17 October 2020 20: 18 New
                  0
                  Quote: Alf
                  Was equipping aircraft with radio stations considered unpromising?
                  The need to equip an aircraft with a radio station is a given. But the quality of radio components, production culture, technologies, circuitry ... Soviet microcircuits are the largest in the world! Lamps too. Of course, I am not the oldest in the forum, but all the way to the USSR - to catch up and overtake someone. Is always catch up.
                  With aluminum, the same rubbish: even under Nikolashka it was clear that he would be needed. But this dimwitted one did not move. And aluminum is primarily electricity.
  2. MTN
    MTN 16 October 2020 13: 16 New
    -13 qualifying.
    And they don't want to bring Armata to mind? I understand the Soviet legacy - this is the standard of quality, but it's time for the 21st century.
    1. Thrifty
      Thrifty 16 October 2020 13: 22 New
      -14 qualifying.
      MTN-Armata CANNOT be brought to mind! There are a lot of problems, they are being solved, and this project is only partially financed, so the terms of acceptance into service will be "mixed aside" for a long time until this platform becomes hopelessly outdated. ..
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 16 October 2020 14: 48 New
        +4
        Where do you get this?) She goes through the military) everyone even knows exactly where. And no one has moved the terms. The installation party has been in the army for a long time. There are really problems there. As always when passing challenges
        1. Simargl
          Simargl 17 October 2020 12: 56 New
          +1
          Quote: carstorm 11
          And no one has moved the terms.
          How so ?! They said: straight tomorrow (now already yesterday) - 2000 tanks. Where are they?
          After all, one cannot think that 2000 is everything. How the USA stamped their Abrams with 10000 units and destroyed the plant - this is normal, but in our country - so no way!
  3. Interlocutor
    Interlocutor 16 October 2020 13: 17 New
    0
    In. That's what we're talking about.
    Individual protection in modern real life is obvious and necessary.
  4. Thrifty
    Thrifty 16 October 2020 13: 24 New
    -2
    All of their categories "want," think "," plan "! And in the units, the good old T72" Ural "are in service. ...
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 16 October 2020 14: 50 New
      +3
      What are you talking about?) Is it okay that there are already more than 3 b1200 in the troops?)
      1. frog
        frog 16 October 2020 22: 50 New
        +1
        Well, even my aunt knows that. But about these things uncle 7 years ago, here is the material and laid out. And the uncle is like a tanker. And he, as a bae, was more than restrained about this car. 7 years ago.....
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 16 October 2020 22: 58 New
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          and now many are reserved. but you need to understand that having such a huge park, modernization should be a balance of price and opportunities. to the maximum, if you do this, it will result in costs on a global scale. and it had to be done quickly. the choice was simple or expensive and slow or fast but for reasonable money. As a result, now we have, though not the best, but a mass car. These are the Germans, having a couple of hundred combat-ready tanks, they can order 7. and then bit by bit. we need thousands
          1. frog
            frog 16 October 2020 23: 27 New
            +1
            And what else "needs to be understood"? The fact that the price of almost everything is overstated by 30-50 percent? The fact that it was possible to make it edible by means of not so much expensive tricks? The fact that too often the "official supplier of the yard" drives the hat and drives it, despite the availability of much more efficient (not in terms of cutting) samples? The whole trouble of which only in those sho their parents are not the same ?? Etc. etc.
            We once also "needed to understand." Until the end of June ... Then they also understood, until August came and its consequences ...
            And about what we need - a funny question))) First, conscience. Or that stick, with the help of which there will appear at least a fear of lullies in some ... Then, you see, and responsibility will grow. And there it is not far from that very conscience repeat From only we are going in the wrong direction.
            What a world they have dirtied, - he said - What a world! Look at the world! ..
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 16 October 2020 23: 33 New
              -1
              and on what grounds do you make this conclusion? the internal price has a clear structure and the MO does not like to overpay. for prices are constantly beating. as an example for you on the Kurgan disassembly on mi 28. and I repeat, this is not a hat. but a normal car. workhorse.
              1. frog
                frog 16 October 2020 23: 38 New
                0
                Yes, I work on these topics. And, since not quite young))), there are quite a few acquaintances in different places)))
                1. carstorm 11
                  carstorm 11 16 October 2020 23: 45 New
                  0
                  I will not argue. I am an operator anymore.
                  1. frog
                    frog 16 October 2020 23: 53 New
                    +1
                    Oh well. If only to voice some points ....... That would be torn like Mina, if not cooler)))
                    For the sake of fun, we are going to write off 20 watermelons for the celebration of the anniversary of the city. And this is not the limit))) There is a Switzerland park, a strip along the high coast. Where is 200 m wide, where - 30. The total area is less than 400 hectares. For the "cultivation" of this object will be spent already))) slightly less than 4 watermelons. And this is a trivial citizen. I don’t even want to talk about some aspects of the development and ...... "TK features". With all the dislike for Kobe, the mind comes willy-nilly "Lavrenty !!! There is work here for you ...."
  5. Dodikson
    Dodikson 16 October 2020 13: 25 New
    0
    why no one knows that the DM from Armata is called Malachite?
    1. Lebed
      Lebed 16 October 2020 14: 31 New
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      Quote: Dodikson
      why no one knows that the DM from Armata is called Malachite?

      Everyone knows, only nobody speaks.
    2. Simargl
      Simargl 17 October 2020 12: 59 New
      0
      Quote: Dodikson
      why no one knows that the DM from Armata is called Malachite?
      The military secret was revealed! There will be a knock on the door soon.
  6. 2 Level Advisor
    2 Level Advisor 16 October 2020 13: 27 New
    +4
    To be objective, the idea is good, but this is only the proposal of the Research Institute-Ministry of Defense has not yet approved such a modernization .. Therefore, to say "Russian tanks T-72B3M and T-80BVM will pass further modernization "early in the context of this particular modernization
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 16 October 2020 14: 51 New
      0
      Nobody canceled the planning yet)))
  7. AlexVas44
    AlexVas44 16 October 2020 13: 32 New
    0
    There are no boundaries for perfection. It must be assumed that the portfolio of ideas will not be empty while the tank is in operation, it will be improved.
  8. Sailor
    Sailor 16 October 2020 13: 38 New
    +1
    The first time I read about normal modernization, if only the ZPU would have installed Kalina and it would have been class!
    1. novel66
      novel66 16 October 2020 13: 48 New
      +5
      and so that the Iskander towed well, just in case
      1. Sailor
        Sailor 17 October 2020 06: 21 New
        0
        Well something like that.
  9. Lesorub
    Lesorub 16 October 2020 13: 47 New
    +5
    The specialists of the institute propose to install the Arena-M active protection complex on them as part of the further modernization of the T-72BM3 and T-80BVM tanks

    KAZ in the current realities - should go to the base! A positive point - that they finally waited for this modernization, at what pace they are all implementing it and in what time frame is also not an unimportant aspect.
  10. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 16 October 2020 14: 11 New
    +2
    What is it ? “We have modernized, modernized, but not modernized ?!” Although, how to look at it! "Modernized" tanks in the troops, garbage? The main thing is the process of modernization itself?
    1. Lebed
      Lebed 16 October 2020 14: 37 New
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      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      "Modernized" tanks in the troops, garbage?

      Without KAZ? Of course, they are under-modernized. The main thing is not to re-modernize, otherwise there will be nothing to do later.
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 16 October 2020 15: 23 New
        +3
        Quote: Lebed
        the main thing is not to modernize, otherwise there will be nothing to do later.

        Here, here's the "catch"! At one time, the T-80M was prepared ... Tadyt, this should be a "leap" in the evolution of the T-80! But they didn't have time! The USSR is over! And so, the T-80BV was pulled out of the old "chests" ... they shook off the "naphthalene" ... it turned out that it was necessary to "darn the moth spoiled" ... So the modernization began! But they "wanted" to upgrade the T-80 to the level of the T-80BVM, and not to the level of the T-80M! "Not modernized"! Now, they will modernize a little more ... it will be of the T-80BVM2 type ... But again, "underT-80M"! Maybe somehow, and "pre-modernize"! And what about the Arena-M KAZ? Duc, with any modernization, provided for "Arena-M" or, in extreme cases, "Drozd-2"! But ... "to promise to marry and get married ..." are still different "veschi"!
        1. Bad_gr
          Bad_gr 16 October 2020 18: 21 New
          +1
          Quote: Nikolaevich I
          But they "wanted" to upgrade the T-80 to the level of the T-80BVM, and not to the level of the T-80M!

          Is he ? (https://sibrail.ru/35117-tank-t-80m-135/)
          1. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I 16 October 2020 20: 25 New
            0
            Didn't I put it in Russian? Didn't you mention the T-80M MBT? ... request
            1. Bad_gr
              Bad_gr 16 October 2020 21: 44 New
              0
              Quote: Nikolaevich I
              Didn't you mention the T-80M MBT?

              A search for a request for MBT T-80M (and on the T-80M) brings to this tank, I did not find any other links to the T-80M.
              1. Nikolaevich I
                Nikolaevich I 16 October 2020 22: 48 New
                0
                Well ... it happens! I recently complained here that I often cannot find information that I "calmly and freely" found a couple of years earlier! ... request
                1. Nikolaevich I
                  Nikolaevich I 16 October 2020 23: 26 New
                  +2
                  PS I'm sorry to you! I meant "Product 219M"! (The prototypes of the T-80 tanks had the name "Product 219" ... that's why he indicated the T-80M with "automatic machine" ...) The "product 219M" series should go like the T-80BM ... (((The destruction of serial tank factories in St. Petersburg and Omsk in the mid-1990s, led to a monopoly position of Uralvagonzavod in terms of not only the production, but also the development of heavy armored vehicles in Russia. The role of the lead developer passed to a still recent outsider - The Ural Design Bureau of Transport Engineering. Various versions of the T-90 and modernization of T-72 tanks, the developments of the UKBTM are well known from the displays at the Ural arms exhibitions. At the same time, the development of "competitors": KBTM and KB "Spetsmash" remained in the shadows. less, 10 years ago, these design teams offered options for modernizing T-80 tanks, the level of which is exemplary to this day. The T-80BM tank upgraded by St. Petersburg "Spetsmash" was indicative in this regard. )))
                  1. Bad_gr
                    Bad_gr 17 October 2020 00: 41 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Nikolaevich I
                    The destruction of serial tank factories in St. Petersburg and Omsk in the mid-1990s, .......
                    Now much of that closed is part of the UVZ. Omsk, for example. The Omsk design bureau was most likely retained, since he is also engaged in the modernization of the T-80 and the development of special vehicles.
                    1. Nikolaevich I
                      Nikolaevich I 17 October 2020 08: 26 New
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                      Quote: Bad_gr
                      Omsk Design Bureau, most likely retained, as modernization of the T-80, and the development of special

                      Perhaps ... Although, the fate of the Omsk Design Bureau was not interested in a long time ago! Worse with the shops of the Omsk plant ... I remember an article by one journalist ... When the Ministry of Defense decided to transfer orders for the repair of the T-80 and special equipment based on the T-80 to the Omsk plant, the journalist visited the plant's shops and shared a "sad spectacle" ... In a number of shops, equipment was no longer available ... Many shops were turned into warehouses ... "pools" for fish farming were installed ...
  11. sustav75
    sustav75 16 October 2020 14: 12 New
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    It's good that these Soviet tanks have a lot of hardware on board! You can modernize for another 100 years! They will not rot like zilas and urals with shishigs! Conversations about active defense systems on our tanks are already causing laughter! They do not put it on and will not put it on the tanks coming from the assembly line in the near future ...
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 16 October 2020 14: 54 New
      +1
      Quote: Lebed
      The main thing is not to modernize, otherwise there will be nothing to do later.

      Quote: sustav75
      You can modernize for another 100 years!

      When modernization improves a product radically so that it becomes better than new designs, that is one thing. And when there is modernization after modernization and new in a modernized product with a "gulkin's nose", then there is a certain doubt about the genius of the designers' thought and questions of the production of a new one. Or maybe everything is much simpler?
  12. _Ugene_
    _Ugene_ 16 October 2020 17: 35 New
    +1
    Russian tanks T-72B3M and T-80BVM will undergo further modernization

    The specialists of the institute propose to install on them as part of the further modernization of the T-72BM3 and T-80BVM tanks ...

    will be modernized and experts suggest installing not the same thing at all