The Kazan court allowed to honor the memory of the Tatars "who fell while defending the city from the troops of Ivan the Terrible"

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The Kazan court allowed to honor the memory of the Tatars "who fell while defending the city from the troops of Ivan the Terrible"

The Vakhitovsky court of Kazan declared illegal the refusal of the city's executive committee to hold a rally in memory of the defenders of Kazan who died during the capture of the city by Ivan the Terrible. The action, organized by the All-Tatar Public Center (VTOTs), will take place on October 18 in the Tinchurin park in Kazan.

The Day of Remembrance of the defenders of Kazan, who died during the capture of the city in 1552 by the troops of Ivan the Terrible, is celebrated by Tatar activists annually in mid-October since the end of the 80s of the last century. Previously, the protesters gathered on Freedom Square, and then walked to the Kremlin, where they mourned for the fallen soldiers of the Kazan Khanate, but since 2013, the city authorities have banned the processions, leaving only agreed rallies.



This year, the action was originally scheduled for October 17 and was supposed to be held under the slogan: "To pay tribute to the memory of the ancestors who died in 1552 - to mark the day of remembrance, on the basis of the Constitutions of the Russian Federation and the Republic of Tatarstan to raise the problems of statehood." However, the organizers were refused, the mayor's office felt that the protesters could threaten the territorial integrity of the country. The document said that the purpose of the event does not comply with Russian legislation.

Representatives of the VTOTs managed to appeal against the refusal in court, indicating that the notice of the rally did not contain calls to violate the rights of citizens and did not threaten the integrity of the country.

(...) only wanted to achieve the realization of the national rights of the people of Tatarstan to their own statehood on the basis of the Constitution of the Russian Federation. Memorial Day of the defenders of Kazan in the events of the XNUMXth century when it was captured by Ivan the Terrible indicates a specific historical peculiarity of national relations on the territory of Tatarstan, which force to search for a compromise

- said the chairman of the VTOTs presidium Farit Zakiev
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    1. +78
      16 October 2020 12: 41
      Started. And the court had to show political correctness and also oblige to honor the memory of the Russians who died during the capture of Kazan.
      1. +46
        16 October 2020 12: 44
        I hope this VTOTs is under the watchful eye of the FSB. An ambiguous organization, probably with foreign connections. Only abroad can there be initiators of such a topic.
        1. +36
          16 October 2020 12: 48
          Quote: x.andvlad
          Only abroad can there be initiators of such a topic.

          Not necessary. The theme is still from the 90s. The local elite needed nationalists to quietly privatize state property. As a result, Shaimiev's children are on the Forbes list, like the children of other representatives of the former party nomenclature. And the nationalists are like a used condom in the trash heap.
          1. +37
            16 October 2020 12: 55
            All manifestations of nationalism must be strictly suppressed. No matter what it is in Russia. This is a very slippery slope.
            1. +5
              16 October 2020 13: 01
              All manifestations of nationalism must be strictly suppressed.

              You propose to abolish nationalities ... sorry, too, a slippery slope leading to the collapse of the state.
              1. +17
                16 October 2020 13: 07
                In no case do I propose to cancel the nationality. I propose to control the sentiments of nationalists who can harm state integrity.
                1. +3
                  16 October 2020 13: 09
                  I propose to control the sentiments of nationalists who can harm the unity of state integrity.

                  Well, there is a framework of the law ... and if the law does not solve the problem, then the State Duma deputies are to blame, who do not want to solve this problem by changing the law for the better.
                  1. +7
                    16 October 2020 13: 59
                    This is how separatism is born! Radicals will penetrate into those groups of Tatars .. Is it enough money for Tatars from the budget that is allocated? Maybe it's time to stop dating and collecting taxes from them? Russians don't remember much! Maybe you also need it?
                    1. +4
                      16 October 2020 14: 18
                      Quote: krot
                      Is it enough money for Tatars from the budget? Maybe it's time to stop dating and collecting taxes from them?

                      The RT sends most of the taxes collected on its territory to Moscow, and this share, apparently, will grow in 2020. This is the DONOR region.
                      1. +7
                        16 October 2020 19: 57
                        And the friendship of peoples began to grow stronger in the comments,
                        1. +4
                          16 October 2020 20: 37
                          The RT sends most of the taxes collected on its territory to Moscow, and this share, apparently, will grow in 2020. This is the DONOR region.

                          As much of the budget was allocated for the improvement of Kazan as many cities only dream of .. Plus investment programs for the construction of many enterprises in Tatarstan at the federal level.
                      2. +4
                        16 October 2020 22: 11
                        Quote: Bashkirkhan
                        Quote: krot
                        Is it enough money for Tatars from the budget? Maybe it's time to stop dating and collecting taxes from them?

                        The RT sends most of the taxes collected on its territory to Moscow, and this share, apparently, will grow in 2020. This is the DONOR region.

                        I've heard it somewhere ... Exactly! Ukraine!
                2. +5
                  16 October 2020 13: 17
                  Quote: x.andvlad
                  I propose to control the mood of the nationalists

                  And I suggest you go to the tallest building in Kazan and .. point out to local authorities on their .. "connivance" wassat
                  1. +1
                    16 October 2020 13: 29
                    Witty, damn it! good
                    1. +2
                      16 October 2020 13: 32
                      Quote: x.andvlad
                      Witty, damn it!

                      In our time, without humor ... just nowhere ... but, apparently, not everyone likes it wink
                3. 0
                  16 October 2020 15: 02
                  A watch for hundreds of millions of dollars from an official from Kazan, without subsequent punishment, is what most undermines the unity. Nobody needs a state that cannot stop theft
                4. +13
                  16 October 2020 20: 25
                  Quote: x.andvlad
                  In no case do I propose to cancel the nationality.

                  ummm .. what nationalities? in 1552 there were no nationalities. Who are these clowns who grieve over the capture of Kazan in 1552, and whose memory are they going to honor? bandits who for 100 years raided Rus nightmares and hunted the slave trade with plunder?
              2. +16
                16 October 2020 14: 48
                You propose to abolish nationalities ... sorry, too, a slippery slope leading to the collapse of the state.

                It is not possible to abolish nationalities, but people pedaling disunity on the hands of the pressure would be worth it, right up to tearing off these hands. Or maybe it is necessary to hold a memorial rally in Moscow timed to the burning of the city by the Mongol-Tatars? There were no dead? And there were no raids from the Kazan Khanate to Moscow either? Can the nationalists in Kazan be reminded of this and, according to the long-standing European tradition, issue a bill for the occupation? Personally, to those who organize this rally and come to it?
                1. +2
                  17 October 2020 12: 12
                  Quote: alexmach
                  Or maybe it is necessary to hold a memorial meeting in Moscow dedicated to the burning of the city by the Mongolo-Tatars? There were no dead? And there were no raids from the Kazan Khanate to Moscow either?

                  Whose Khan Tokhtamysh was there that burned Moscow? Who burned Ryazan? And so you can get to the bottom of this, in the sense of the light of day from the depths of the ages. There the Armenians and Azerbaijanis have been arguing for how many years, whose stones in Karabakh are older. Therefore, since we touched upon the old times, then we must act with those who have touched upon it, as in the old days. On a count, literally. To impale a couple of screamers, as under Ivan IV, or tear them apart with horses, as under Tokhtamysh, and the sentence is naturally in the name of the Russian Federation, and it will immediately become clear who is the boss in the house. get through.
                  1. 0
                    17 October 2020 13: 28
                    Whose Khan Tokhtamysh was there that burned Moscow?

                    This one is still Horde.
                    Therefore, since we touched upon the old times, then we must act with those who have touched upon it, as in the old days. On a count, literally. Impale a couple of screamers, as under Ivan IV, or tear them apart with horses, as under Tokhtamysh

                    No, they must be suppressed by modern methods. But exactly what to actively suppress and oppose and not condone.
                    1. +1
                      17 October 2020 15: 14
                      Quote: alexmach
                      No, they must be suppressed by modern methods.

                      How modern is it? Expressing concerns, fines, etc. etc.? And it seems to me, although this is rude and cynical, but if, for example, the conditional Gozman is publicly impaled (all the same, sanctions), then his friends-followers, seeing this live and having estimated it on their anus, will immediately decide that it is better to drink with a ram and for play football than a policy with such consequences. And to criticize the authorities, but with constructive proposals, of course it is necessary, but you also need to see the edge of the clearing. And besides the whip, it doesn't seem to work otherwise.
                      1. -1
                        17 October 2020 16: 27
                        How modern is it?

                        Prohibit holding such rallies. Informationally oppose the authors of such messages. Conduct rallies and processions alternative to them.
                        1. +2
                          17 October 2020 22: 14
                          This is not enough. The organizers of the separatist rallies should be brought to justice, and the judges who allowed these rallies should be dismissed due to the loss of confidence.
              3. 0
                17 October 2020 00: 00
                Quote: The same Lech
                You are proposing to cancel nationalities ...
                I'm sorry, too, is a slippery slope leading to the collapse of the state.

                how? just these five-columnists will only have an excuse to spend cultural evenings
              4. +5
                17 October 2020 07: 23
                Quote: The same LYOKHA

                You propose to abolish nationalities ... sorry, too, a slippery slope leading to the collapse of the state.

                It is impossible to "cancel" nationalities.
                You might as well cancel sunrise or seasons ...
                But abolishing the national republics is a long overdue matter.
                Equalize them in rights with the regions and edges of the country.
                That there were no "chosen ones", but were equal.
                By the way - Moscow first of all needs to be leveled.
                "Muscovy" must become Russia! wink
            2. -2
              16 October 2020 13: 16
              Quote: x.andvlad
              All manifestations of nationalism must be strictly suppressed.

              In Kazan???? I beg you ... to appear immediately ... let's "secession" and "sovereignty"
              1. +4
                16 October 2020 13: 28
                Quote: ancient
                Quote: x.andvlad
                All manifestations of nationalism must be strictly suppressed.

                In Kazan???? I beg you ... to appear immediately ... let's "secession" and "sovereignty"

                And who needs them, there is no way out to the borders. They have already tried, their head to the last considered himself the president, nevertheless now he is just the head of the republic
                1. 0
                  16 October 2020 13: 33
                  Quote: FenH
                  They have already tried, their head to the last considered himself the president, nevertheless now he is just the head of the republic

                  So for the money that is poured into them ... you can even be a simple mayor wink
                  1. +5
                    16 October 2020 13: 36
                    Quote: ancient
                    Quote: FenH
                    They have already tried, their head to the last considered himself the president, nevertheless now he is just the head of the republic

                    So for the money that is poured into them ... you can even be a simple mayor wink

                    Tatarstan is a donor, he does not need infusions. The oil woman rules, but they can press her at any moment, there is no border, transportation is not possible wink
                    1. +1
                      16 October 2020 14: 19
                      Quote: FenH
                      Tatarstan is a donor, he does not need infusions.

                      Well yes wink
                      Quote: FenH
                      can press down

                      Tu-160, Mi-8MTV and so on wink
                      1. 0
                        17 October 2020 22: 19
                        In Russia, there are a lot of aircraft factories that are out of work, so you can and should press down, otherwise, as soon as you get drunk, always give independence. All those who want independence to deprive the citizenship of the Russian Federation and send them to UKROPIA, let them go with Chubarov to pick Polish apples for a bowl of balanda
                    2. +2
                      16 October 2020 20: 30
                      Quote: FenH
                      Tatarstan is a donor, he does not need infusions. The oil woman rules, but they can press her at any moment, there is no border, transportation is not possible

                      Good day hi
                      maybe even steeper. remember the soda factory story ...
                2. +1
                  16 October 2020 13: 58
                  Quote: FenH
                  They have already tried, their head to the last considered himself the president, nevertheless now he is just the head of the republic

                  Minnikhanov is the president of Tatarstan, he was elected a month ago for a new term.
                  https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.kommersant.ru/amp/4492464
              2. +2
                16 October 2020 13: 30
                Quote: ancient
                In Kazan???? I beg you ... to appear immediately ... let's "secession" and "sovereignty"


                You're just Wang! what
              3. +3
                16 October 2020 14: 17
                Quote: ancient
                Quote: x.andvlad
                All manifestations of nationalism must be strictly suppressed.

                In Kazan???? I am begging you...will appear immediately ... let's "secession" and "sovereignty"

                It was already in the 90s.
                They hoped to live on the income from Tatneft and KamAZ. Only, taking into account the integration into the Russian industry located outside of Tatarstan, taking into account the enclave of the territory - the price of Tatneft and KamAZ is three kopecks per market day. Babay then understood this and quickly dispersed the "otdedents" himself.
                I have great respect for him. Not even for what he did (and we also remember the ban on the import of vodka from Russia and, at the same time, the "Kamaz" of Tatar vodka in exchange for grain in the collective farms of Russia bordering Tataria. At the traffic police posts, they pulled a bottle of vodka from the glove compartment, my son was not allowed to bring in two boxes of vodka for the wedding.) First of all, Babay is worthy of respect for what he did not allow. At that time, we still lacked a second Chechnya on the Kama River, in the middle of Russia ...
              4. +4
                16 October 2020 14: 50
                In Kazan???? I beg you ... to appear immediately ... let's "secession" and "sovereignty"

                Well, apparently you will have to take Kazan again.
              5. +3
                16 October 2020 18: 43
                Quote: ancient
                come on "secession" and "sovereignty"

                Send them to their historical homeland in Mongolia, let them graze the cattle there.
              6. +1
                17 October 2020 00: 07
                Quote: ancient
                Quote: x.andvlad
                All manifestations of nationalism must be strictly suppressed.

                In Kazan???? I beg you ... to appear immediately ... let's "secession" and "sovereignty"

                to the department - yes, but from whom did Shaimiev demand sovereignty? Is it not from Borka Yeltsin that he himself received sovereignty on the ball?
              7. +1
                17 October 2020 22: 16
                It means to send special forces and give all the sisters earrings. Separatism must be stifled in the bud.
            3. +23
              16 October 2020 13: 24
              All manifestations of nationalism must be strictly suppressed. No matter what it is in Russia. This is a very slippery slope.

              You can't say anything to anyone, yeah.
              But Russians can be watered with slop with impunity 24 hours a day, in their own country.
              And how do you try to suppress - so at once - nationalism - how convenient, isn't it?
              1. +2
                16 October 2020 13: 40
                Quote: lucul
                All manifestations of nationalism must be strictly suppressed. No matter what it is in Russia. This is a very slippery slope.

                You can't say anything to anyone, yeah.
                But Russians can be watered with slop with impunity 24 hours a day, in their own country.
                And how do you try to suppress - so at once - nationalism - how convenient, isn't it?

                Trump is now pushing a good little bit, which, if pushed through their liberal-democrats' throats, can demand the same in Russia hi
            4. 0
              17 October 2020 09: 43
              There is NOTHING new and surprising, EVERYWHERE collapse, disintegration, separation and accompanying Russophobia, wars, blood began with grief over the innocent victims of the Bolsheviks, the USSR, Stalin. This was the case everywhere: in the Baltics, in / in the Ukraine, in Georgia. It starts in Kazakhstan, Armenia, Belarus, Kyrgyzstan. A local highlight is the grief over the victims of Ivan the Terrible. YET they don't talk about the victims of the Bolsheviks and Stalin. But they will start soon! And behind all this "grief" protrude clearly visible ears of the State Department and Soros.
            5. -4
              17 October 2020 12: 43
              Quote: x.andvlad
              All manifestations of nationalism must be strictly suppressed. No matter what it is in Russia. This is a very slippery slope.

              This is not the point, more of a threat to Russia is the absence of federalism as a current one.
          2. +1
            16 October 2020 13: 40
            And the nationalists are like a used condom in the trash heap.
            And nationalists belong there.
          3. 0
            17 October 2020 00: 45
            And here Erdogan's ears stick out
        2. +5
          16 October 2020 12: 58
          Quote: x.andvlad
          I hope this VTOTs is under the watchful eye of the FSB. An ambiguous organization, probably with foreign connections. Only abroad can there be initiators of such a topic.

          And this is something that decides? KGB also controlled and directed the national fronts ... not long ago ...
          1. +1
            16 October 2020 13: 03
            What exactly? Control from the FSB? Decides unequivocally. This is a security agency designed to protect state security. And the topic, sucked from the finger, by this VTOTS clearly does not serve the interests of a single state.
            1. 0
              16 October 2020 13: 08
              Quote: x.andvlad
              Control from the FSB?

              The organization in the structure of the bourgeois state protects the interests of the leading class. And what are their interests? Only commercial. And if the separatist movement is profitable for them, then no FSB will help. There will be no command ... this is just two. If they crawled out, they were given the go-ahead.
              Do the Russian bourgeoisie serve the interests of a single state?
              1. +2
                16 October 2020 13: 14
                Quote: apro
                Do the Russian bourgeoisie serve the interests of a single state?

                They just need a single market in the form of a single state, dear.
                1. +4
                  16 October 2020 13: 18
                  Quote: x.andvlad
                  They just need a single market in the form of a single state, dear

                  It was just that the new Russians successfully loved it ... having bombed everything that was left of the USSR and did not really create anything ..
                  1. 0
                    16 October 2020 14: 05
                    Quote: apro
                    It was just that the new Russians successfully loved it ... having bombed everything that was left of the USSR and did not really create anything ..

                    They are born to destroy, but not to create.
        3. +2
          16 October 2020 13: 04
          Quote: x.andvlad
          FSB. An ambiguous organization, probably with foreign connections.

          Possible.
        4. +11
          16 October 2020 13: 06
          I’ll say even more: the Vakhitovsky court of Kazan urgently needs to be on the nail, because this action is nothing more than inciting ethnic hatred leading to an encroachment on the territorial integrity of the State!
          1. -1
            16 October 2020 13: 19
            Quote: Labrador
            Vakhitovsky court of Kazan

            Not aware that our Courts have something ... not touched and not subject to jurisdiction wink
            1. 0
              17 October 2020 22: 23
              Nobody bothers to dismiss any court in the neck, with the wording - In connection with the loss of confidence. And these separatists clearly do not inspire confidence, from the word AT ALL.
        5. +3
          16 October 2020 13: 15
          Quote: x.andvlad
          Only abroad can there be initiators of such a topic.

          And local ideologists are missing
        6. +1
          16 October 2020 13: 56
          Quote: x.andvlad
          I hope this VTOTs is under the watchful eye of the FSB. An ambiguous organization, probably with foreign connections. Only abroad can there be initiators of such a topic.

          Such a stay, not far off the signatures of "relatives of the victims" demanding compensation for the genocide of the Tatar people wassat
          1. +2
            16 October 2020 14: 12
            Quote: The Siberian Barber
            Such a stay, not far off the signatures of "relatives of the victims" demanding compensation for the genocide of the Tatar people

            No, it won't come to that, they'll be afraid. Here all of Russia can sue them for the genocide of the Russian people (the neighbors cannot claim this).
        7. +3
          16 October 2020 13: 56
          Yes, separatism is again inflated by the Soros and the Turks. Great Turan gathered to build ...
        8. +1
          16 October 2020 13: 58
          Quote: x.andvlad
          I hope this VTOTs is under the watchful eye of the FSB. An ambiguous organization, probably with foreign connections. Only abroad can there be initiators of such a topic.

          sure! in the photo there is a Tatar, who on the right is wearing an American folk hat. smile everyone else is in national attire! here is proof of foreign interference.
          "To pay tribute to the memory of the ancestors who died in 1552, - to mark the day of remembrance, on the basis of the Constitutions of the Russian Federation and the Republic of Tatarstan, raise the problems of statehood"
          - problems of statehood are already separatism. Where is the prosecutor's office looking?
        9. +1
          17 October 2020 17: 52
          Obscurantism.
      2. +16
        16 October 2020 12: 47
        Quote: iouris
        Started. And the court had to show political correctness and also oblige to honor the memory of the Russians who died during the capture of Kazan.

        And how many people died while defending their cities from the invasion of the Mongol-Tatars? Kozelsk, its inhabitants, that defended from the Tatars where ?!
        1. -3
          16 October 2020 13: 01
          Already wrote on the thread below ... Kazan Tatars are not involved in the Igu and the Mongol-Tatars. Eni - Bulgars and Kypchaks! Kozelsk could not suffer from them in any way. hi
          1. +21
            16 October 2020 13: 08
            Oh sure. And then the Kazanians never went to Russia on campaigns. Before Grozny, it was generally one of the centers of the slave trade.

            And by the way - let the tribute for 250 years be returned! With interest .. Once they call themselves Tatars.
            1. -3
              16 October 2020 13: 16
              Quote: paul3390
              Oh sure. And then the Kazanians never went to Russia on campaigns. Before Grozny, it was generally one of the centers of the slave trade.

              And by the way - let the tribute for 250 years be returned! With interest .. Once they call themselves Tatars.

              They went to Russia, but to Igu - Innocents completely laughing
              On the return of tribute for 250 years (why not for 300?) - these are questions to the remnants of the Golden Horde, namely to the Kalmyks, Siberian and Crimean Tatars! Yes
              1. +6
                16 October 2020 13: 18
                And what - Kazan was not a part of the Horde? Why? And the Kalmyks have absolutely nothing to do with it .. For they have nothing to do with the Golden Horde ..
                1. -2
                  16 October 2020 13: 57
                  Quote: paul3390
                  And what - Kazan was not a part of the Horde? Why? And the Kalmyks have absolutely nothing to do with it .. For they have nothing to do with the Golden Horde ..

                  Kalmyks are Oirats, who intermarried with Genghis Khan by dynastic marriages and together built the Empire! These are the same Mongols - only in profile.
                  Kazan Tatars (Bulgars) have nothing to do with the campaigns of Genghis Khan and Batu!
                  1. -1
                    16 October 2020 14: 27
                    Quote: ANIMAL
                    Kazan Tatars (Bulgars) have nothing to do with the campaigns of Genghis Khan and Batu!

                    Do NOT have, that's for sure. And look at the appearance of the Kazan Tatars and Kalmyks, you can see with the naked eye that these are different peoples.
                  2. +4
                    16 October 2020 16: 26
                    Tatars and Bulgars are different peoples. The Bulgars used to live there, and when the Tatars came, they destroyed some of them, and some assimilated.
                    In short, this is not the Tatar land, but the Bulgar
          2. +2
            16 October 2020 14: 23
            Quote: ANIMAL
            Kazan Tatars are not involved in the Igu and Mongol-Tatars. Eni - Bulgars and Kypchaks! Kozelsk could not suffer from them in any way.

            Yeah ...

            - You Jews crucified Christ ...
            - It was not our Jews were, then Kherson ...
            Go, try to figure it out now - what's in that in this case. Whose are the Jews, whose are the Tatars? ... Well now - to make both those and others guilty in life for the "fifth point", which now does not even exist?
      3. -2
        16 October 2020 12: 48
        Quote: iouris
        Started. And the court had to show political correctness and also oblige to honor the memory of the Russians who died during the capture of Kazan.


        The court does not owe anything or anyone. The court must be responsible for the legal judgment established by it.
        1. +8
          16 October 2020 12: 58
          Not "established" but "decided". I say that the court was supposed to prohibit the events, if not presented: death certificates, a list of the dead, documents certifying kinship with the dead. But there is also a higher court!
        2. +10
          16 October 2020 13: 06
          In response, one can only wish that these Tatars knew history.
          So, the defeated were not cut out, and their descendants, or rather those who today inscribe themselves as descendants, make claims for the fact that they were left without slaves and booty. The next step will be a claim for compensation for the taken away slaves and unlimited power, and of course * for lost profits * with interest.
          The more stupid and delusional the ideas of nationalists are, the easier it is to promote them among the * bruised to the full *.
          Look how many ideas appear with claims to antiquity and heroism and tectonic achievements.
          On a national scale, the Nazis, the Chinese, and the Americans were vpending similar ideas, and then it became * a world fad *.
      4. +19
        16 October 2020 12: 52
        and oblige also to honor the memory of the Russians who died in the capture of Kazan.


        Not only. We must honor the memory of the Tatars of the army of Ivan the Terrible, who died in the capture of Kazan.
        1. +6
          16 October 2020 13: 03
          It was not a war against some "Tatars", but for the unification of the state. Everyone who spoke the Turkic languages ​​was called Tatars in Russia (incomprehensible "gibberish"). Germans - all indiscriminately Western "Europeans" ("dumb" - do not speak Russian).
        2. +2
          16 October 2020 20: 18
          Quote: Pereira
          and oblige also to honor the memory of the Russians who died in the capture of Kazan.

          Not only. We must honor the memory of the Tatars of the army of Ivan the Terrible, who died in the capture of Kazan.
          And also the Russian detachment of Kazan defenders.
      5. +9
        16 October 2020 12: 56
        Started. And the court had to show political correctness and also oblige to honor the memory of the Russians who died during the capture of Kazan.

        Of course, this is a complete disgrace ... this is how the state and society are split ... such tricks with history must be nipped in the bud ... otherwise we will play out to fratricide.
      6. +22
        16 October 2020 12: 58
        I demand in Russia to introduce a public holiday - the Day of the capture of Kazan by the troops of Ivan the Terrible and declare it a non-working day.
        Kazan should be the center of the celebration.
      7. +9
        16 October 2020 12: 58
        Quote: iouris
        Started. And the court had to show political correctness and also oblige to honor the memory of the Russians who died during the capture of Kazan.

        Why. Let this court grant permission to honor all the victims of the Tatar-Mongol yoke. Why walk there like that. In general, it looks like an anecdote about "An unknown guest is worse than a Tatar. What nonsense. Besides "Take as much independence as you can" Thank you EBN. You were a real strategist negative
      8. 0
        16 October 2020 13: 13
        Quote: iouris
        Began.

        And it never stopped .. unfortunately .. it was just me "camouflage" ... the money had to .. "pull".
        Once I was not careful to travel with the crew along the route Saratov-Samara-Kazan ....... it is better not to repeat ... wassat
      9. +3
        16 October 2020 13: 27
        It started there when they had a president ...
      10. +3
        16 October 2020 14: 24
        then we must remember the slave trade of Muslim states
      11. +2
        16 October 2020 15: 11
        Russian chroniclers note that during the capture of Kazan Kazan there were many cases of looting and murders of civilians committed by Russian troops. But it is impossible to think that the Tatars are white and fluffy - even before the last Kazan campaign, the Tatars were forced to release Russian prisoners taken during the Tatars' attacks on the territory of Russia, and there were 60 thousand prisoners! The prisoners were sold further east, right up to China, and this was an important source of income for the Kazan Khanate. It should be noted that the raids of the nomads who inhabited the middle Volga region on Russian cities took place even in the late 18th - early 19th centuries, I know about this from the history of my native city.
        It is obvious that attempts to arrange interethnic squabbles on the basis of the events of the 15-16 centuries, and even with references to modern, and not those times, ideas about justice, are carried out not even in the interests of the peoples of Russia - they have a purely separatist color. It is absolutely necessary to develop a law on criminal liability for doubts about the fairness of the existing status quo, and even more calls for its change. We have few wars on the outskirts, only there are not enough booze in the middle of the country ...
      12. +1
        17 October 2020 15: 23
        celebrate the day of remembrance, on the basis of the Constitutions of the Russian Federation and the Republic of Tatarstan, raise the problems of statehood

        This already smacks of separatism!

        Tatar activists celebrate annually in mid-October since the end of the 80s of the last century

        That is, it just started at the most turbulent time, the rampant of nationalism in the republics was gaining momentum.
        It's time to carry out explanatory work using available methods, in the Russian Federation there are all the possibilities for this ... Otherwise, we will not keep Russia intact.
      13. -3
        17 October 2020 21: 55
        Quote: iouris
        And the court had to show political correctness

        So the court is limited by the scope of the claim. A claim to appeal against a decision of an LSG body. The list of grounds for banning a rally and other events is exhaustive and is set out in federal and regional laws. If there is no reason, then the decision is unreasonable.
        So here you have to make a claim to the person, the cat. not clearly enough to link his refusal to the rule of law. And in this case, an assessment is given. By the way, in most of Russia this is how the courts work.

        For example. We have had the so-called. The bulkheads wanted to stir up the rally in front of the regional government building with the use of all sorts of cult objects (the muzzle of a cocaine man on a cube of 1-2 square meters). So, in the end, they lost the case in court - the cube, when placed, could place access to the building for wheelchair users and the passage of citizens along the sidewalk (they would have to go to the roadway). At the same time, 90% of the bans on holding events in other places of the city were declared illegal in the courts.
      14. 0
        18 October 2020 11: 43
        Quote: iouris
        ... and also oblige to honor the memory of the Russians who died in the capture of Kazan

        Emotions in international relations are harmful - think what you write!
        The Tatars have every right to do so. As well as the Russians, but there are no Russians who honor the memory of the fallen under the walls of Kazan. The explanation is simple: for the Tatars this is a mournful date - like any other loss and defeat for any nation - and this is normal. For us, this is the success and strengthening of the state. And they do not grieve for victories - they are celebrated. And then the memory is blurred by the age of years, and in the chain of victories it is pointless to mark each one - the result is important. And lesions are felt more painful and acute, and the memory of them in one form or another lives longer.
        Therefore, even if you oblige someone to celebrate the losses of the Russians during the capture of Kazan, it will look funny - on the principle: just to answer something. You need to answer with wisdom, not stupidity.
    2. +8
      16 October 2020 12: 42
      And then they start? Another outbreak of nationalism? So, step by step, based on the constitution ... So the Poles in Moscow - it will be fresher, 1600s!
      1. +5
        16 October 2020 13: 04
        And then they start? Another outbreak of nationalism?

        This is not an outbreak of nationalism, this is an attempt to use nationalism for other people's goals ... in Chechnya, Kadyrov erected a monument to Chechens who fought against Russian soldiers ... what is the official reaction to this?
        1. +1
          16 October 2020 13: 22
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          . what is the official reaction to this?

          Been in Grozny before ... and after ... you will immediately feel the difference bully
    3. +2
      16 October 2020 12: 43
      Foolishness! Or a bad call.
      1. +5
        16 October 2020 13: 31
        This bell is only for Estonians)) And then the ringing is already ringing, the sea was thrown in money, the production was rebuilt and the Tatars decided that they had caught their luck by the tail and began to engage in extortion ... It was not long to wait for the declaration of independence ..
        1. -4
          16 October 2020 18: 00
          What kind of money did you get and when?
          1. +3
            16 October 2020 18: 52
            Quote: bairat
            What kind of money did you get and when?

            Tatarstan will receive 13,6 billion in support due to COVID-19. This is the largest subsidy among the regions of the Russian Federation
            24 May 2020
            The Russian government has allocated more than 13,6 billion rubles to Tatarstan for compensation due to a decrease in budget revenues in connection with the coronavirus pandemic. The corresponding document was published on the website of the Cabinet .... - For example, this is .. KamAZ, you yourself raised it from your knees? Aviation industry too? Sports objects..
            1. -2
              17 October 2020 08: 18
              And Tatarstan transfers 800 billion to the budget annually.
              In Soviet times, 2 billion tons (not barrels) of oil were produced here, if we translate this into money of a cosmic scale, everything passed us by.
              1. LCD
                +2
                17 October 2020 12: 47
                "And Tatarstan transfers 800 billion to the budget annually." - and how much federal money has been poured here, did you have any questions? Here is a small list of the largest enterprises in Tatarstan, built with the participation of federal investments (USSR, RSFSR, RF) during their creation: Kazan Helicopter Plant, KAMAZ, OJSC Nizhnekamsk Mechanical Plant, OJSC Nizhnekamsktekhuglerod, LLC Kamsky Tractor Plant, OJSC Kamgesenergostroy, JSC Aerated Concrete Plant, JSC National Enterprise Naberezhnye Chelninsky Cardboard and Paper Mill, Kazan Aircraft Plant, JSC KMPO, JSC Zelenodolsk Plant named after Gorky ", PJSC" Tatneft ", Nizhnekamskneftekhim, OJSC" POZiS ", JSC" Plant "ELEKON" (former Kazan plant of heat exchange devices), PJSC "Kazan electrotechnical plant", JSC "NPO" Radioelectronics named after V.I.Shimko "( former Special Design Bureau of Plant No. 294), OJSC "Radiopribor", OJSC Kazan Plant "Elektropribor" (the original name was "Aviapribor"), AO "Kazan Design Bureau" Soyuz "(GK" Rostec "), AO NPO OKB IM. MP Simonov "(formerly OKB" Sokol "), JSC" Kazan Optical and Mechanical Plant "and so on ........ And this is many times more than what you dare to mention. 2 billion tons in terms of the rate of 1981 (when 2 billion tons were produced) 0,675 rubles per $ 1, at that time cost $ 6,75 billion.
                1. -2
                  17 October 2020 15: 42
                  There are 7 barrels in a ton, we multiply and get 14 billion barrels, x $ 30 = $ 420 billion
          2. +2
            17 October 2020 22: 29
            Yes, you have not even built and created a KaMaZ. Construction from ZiL, money from it.
            1. -2
              18 October 2020 09: 13
              And where is your ZIL with its miracle inventors? And Kamaz would be in the same place, in scrap metal, Muscovites were pulling their paws.
              1. +2
                18 October 2020 11: 46
                Muscovites have created a KaMaZ for you, then you yourself only throw show-off, and arrange separatist antics. Do you want war ?! Look, you will receive, but you will hardly be delighted! You played into Russophobia and got drunk, at our expense, gentlemen of the national minority! It's time to abolish your republics, there is nothing to give to the not clever!
                1. -2
                  18 October 2020 14: 49
                  Well, go and abolish, why bark from the couch.
                  1. +2
                    24 October 2020 11: 12
                    People like you are barking here. I don't like the Russian Federation, I packed my suitcase and dumped from here !!!
    4. +7
      16 October 2020 12: 44
      Cinema and Germans. When Ivan Vasilyevich took Kazan, there were enough Tatars on both sides.
      1. +2
        16 October 2020 13: 00
        By the way, the Tatars were called Bulgars. Even such a steamer sank: "Bulgaria". Kazan extremists do not know their history.
        1. +1
          16 October 2020 15: 12
          By the way, the Tatars were called Bulgars.

          Not certainly in that way. Tatars, these are Tatars. But there was also a state, like Bulgaria (just the lower Volga region), which at one time was part of the Khazar Kaganate, whose influence extended from the Crimea to the lower Volga region and saddled most of the great Sholkovy. At the same time, there was also the Central Siberian Tatar Khanate, which had nothing to do with Bulgaria.
          In other words, calling the Tatars Bulgars is like calling Russians Russians. winked
          As for the rest, about the Kazan extremists, I agree with you.
    5. +12
      16 October 2020 12: 44
      The event is clearly against Russia.
      1. +5
        16 October 2020 12: 48
        Quote: Pavel57
        The event is clearly against Russia.

        How lovely! Well these are the descendants of the "Tatar-Mongol yoke"! This means that Ukraine can present them with claims for the devastation of Kiev by "theirs" troops. We, however, have already written to the Mongols about this. The Mongols even promised that they would pay something to the proven descendants ... But now it is necessary to pay attention to the Tatars.
        1. -2
          16 October 2020 12: 56
          Quote: Egoza

          How lovely! Well these are the descendants of the "Tatar-Mongol yoke"! This means that Ukraine can present them with claims for the devastation of Kiev by "theirs" troops. We, however, have already written to the Mongols about this. The Mongols even promised that they would pay something to the proven descendants ... But now it is necessary to pay attention to the Tatars.

          You are mistaken, Kazan Tatars are Bulgars and Kypchaks! They are not involved in the "Tatar-Mongol yoke"! hi
          I hope there are no “veterans” of this battle left? what
          1. 0
            16 October 2020 13: 01
            Quote: ANIMAL
            Kazan Tatars are Bulgars and Kypchaks! They are not involved in the "Tatar-Mongol yoke"!

            Isn't it all the same! The main thing is to get paid!
            1. +1
              16 October 2020 13: 03
              Quote: Egoza

              Isn't it all the same! The main thing is to get paid!

              Well then, through the Basmanny Court of Moscow, we urgently need to prove their involvement! laughing and demand compensation for the victims of that arbitrariness! laughing
      2. +1
        16 October 2020 13: 35
        Not. In favor of Erdogan.
    6. +3
      16 October 2020 12: 44
      They laughed at the Polovtsians. And it looks like ...
      It turns out to be relevant. wink
      1. +1
        16 October 2020 13: 40
        Relevant is what one cannot live without. Here we see the enemy hand. That which is called "Russia" has long been basically the Russian-Tatar civilization or the Tatar-Russian. Pushkin also remarked (I cannot vouch for the accuracy): "Scratch a Russian and you will find a Tatar." I will add, or a Ukrainian, or a Georgian, a Mari, a Buryat, a German ... And thank God!
        I think the same can be said about the Tatars. Hooray!
        But if someone is not satisfied with this civilization - go nafig, look for another. A lot of them.
    7. +7
      16 October 2020 12: 46
      To send them to the Kolyma, and the court in full force, and nationalists! So, let them "celebrate" in the taiga, surrounded by wolves and hungry bears !!! This is actually an attempt to pull Russia apart from the "national regiments" under the pretext of giving back to the memory of ancestors! And where is our "valiant" FSB, and law enforcement agencies? So after all, and imperceptibly Maidan in Russia "bungle" is not long!
    8. 0
      16 October 2020 12: 46
      Since the mid-80s ... since Perestroika, MS Gorbachev means ... I was the first to learn that such events had taken place.
    9. +6
      16 October 2020 12: 47
      Begging for repetition?
      1. +5
        16 October 2020 12: 58
        Begging for repetition?


        As it was in the city in Kazan,
        The formidable tsar was feasting and having fun.
        He beat the Tatars mercilessly,
        So that they are discouraged
        Walk along Russia.
        He approached and approached Kazan-town;
        He dug the trenches under the Kazanka River.
        As a Tatar walk around the city,
        They look at Tsar Ivan,
        Angry Tatarov.
        The formidable tsar - from twisted,
        He hung the head on his right shoulder.
        How the king began to call the gunners,
        Gunmen are all lighters,
        Lighters.
        The candle smoked with fervent wax;
        A young gunman came up to the barrel.
        And with the gunpowder, the barrel spun,
        Oh, I rolled along the trenches
        Yes, and slammed.
        They screamed, shouted anger to the Tatars,
        They flooded with good language.
        Tartar's darkness fell,
        Forty thousand died
        Yes, three thousand.
        So it was in the city in Kazan! ... Eh!
    10. +2
      16 October 2020 12: 49
      burden of a plurinational state ...
      1. +5
        16 October 2020 12: 54
        Quote: Igoresha
        burden of a plurinational state ...

        Everyday life of the state with the absence of a common goal and vector of development
      2. +3
        16 October 2020 13: 08
        Separate dbl, I have relatives of the Tatars. Quilted jackets and Russia love.
    11. 0
      16 October 2020 12: 50
      To pacify these, Putin must build several mosques in Kazan! And invite Erdogan's friend to the opening, as he already did. What a trifle thing!
    12. +4
      16 October 2020 12: 52
      this is how it all begins
    13. +5
      16 October 2020 13: 02
      What about the next step? Call the Russians invaders?
      1. +6
        16 October 2020 13: 19
        Years from now ... it will be so. It is necessary to destroy this movement in the bud.
    14. +10
      16 October 2020 13: 02
      Where is the application of Article 282 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation ??? Or is it just for Russians ?!
      1. +6
        16 October 2020 13: 07
        The Tula city court is unlikely to dare to pass a decision allowing a rally in honor of the memory of the heroes of the Battle of Molodya. And the applicants will deal with the main department of the Ministry of Internal Affairs for the fight against extremism and compliance with the constitutional order.
        1. +4
          16 October 2020 13: 09
          Here it will work 282. And in Tatarstan it will not work. You have to understand - "it's different here"
      2. +7
        16 October 2020 13: 14
        so it was invented only for the Rus.
        1. +6
          16 October 2020 13: 17
          Until the article begins to work for all nationalities, Russia will be rocked by national signs! Leaders themselves give this opportunity to "partners".
    15. +6
      16 October 2020 13: 06
      Not that I was in the city of Love? I love local history museums, people ran from the Kazan raids to Kostroma to hide. Until the letter to Tsar Ivan the Terrible was not submitted, so that the fortress was made ... from the raids of the Kazan Tatars ... Yes, we live in one country that stir up the past, and the Tatars fought on both sides, we live in the same state. You have to think about the before, the present, not the past.
      1. 0
        16 October 2020 14: 55
        Quote: Vadim Golubkov
        You have to think about the before, the present, not the past.

        That's for sure, we have nothing to share.
    16. +3
      16 October 2020 13: 06
      And how many are there? Why include all of Kazan or Tatarstan among them?
      And these, otherwise, as sleeping cells ... you can not name!
    17. +6
      16 October 2020 13: 09
      If necessary, we will repeat. In Turkey, the day of the capture of Constantinople is a national holiday, and in Russia the day of the capture of Kazan can be arranged as a public holiday.
      1. -2
        16 October 2020 13: 50
        Good afternoon. And what city are you from, may I ask?
    18. +1
      16 October 2020 13: 13
      Now such and other news is absolutely not surprising. Could something be different now under the current government?
    19. +5
      16 October 2020 13: 19
      It remains in court to obtain permission to honor the memory of May 9 who died during the conquest of Siberia by Yermak - and our political correctness will go off scale laughing

      On May 9, 1582, at the mouth of the Tura, the Cossacks had to fight six Tatar princes, among whom the most famous were Matmas and Kaskara.
    20. +2
      16 October 2020 13: 25
      Whoever says what, but in the government and further down the list, pest agents have long been placed. Otherwise, there is simply no logic or necessity to explain the decisions made. We remove the shooting of stray animals and unbuild nurseries, we remove nurseries and kindergartens for homeless people and immediately rent them out for offices, introduce incomprehensible worship and are surprised at extremism, come up with more than 1000 laws a year and churn out amendments to them for years. And then we all wonder why this cart is not only not going, but is growing more and more into guano.
    21. +7
      16 October 2020 13: 34
      The Kazan court allowed to honor the memory of the Tatars "who fell while defending the city from the troops of Ivan the Terrible"

      It is worth taking a closer look at the legality of this permission! Another manifestation of Russophobia.
      Other cities - can honor the memory of those who fell during the "invasion of the Tatars" - let's go far.
    22. 0
      16 October 2020 13: 36
      I will buy a photo recorder of social distance. Expensive. Until October 17th. laughing
    23. +5
      16 October 2020 13: 44
      Why is everything so crooked? Why is the national question so simplified. Before the Neanderthal level of interaction? The desire to kick the Russian world becomes simply life-giving. And it doesn't matter that cultural self-identity and independence, the very concept of "modern Tatar culture" is a product of the patronage of the Russian state. It is strange that no marches are held in memory of the millions of Slavs stolen as slaves for three hundred years of "cooperation". It is customary to remember almost everywhere (Crimea, Kazan) only the final, when they came to ask for it. And if we remember, then this is "nationalist extremism." What to do? Maybe it’s true to ask ourselves and others around us how important the past and joint future are for us? What is the idea of ​​the Tatars' confrontation with us, if there is such confrontation? Dissatisfied with the current situation? It is foolish to assume so. From a distance it is clear that we need to scratch our heads about raising the standard of living of the "title", so to speak. In the last fight? But this requires lost heights and modern problems with sovereignty. Regarding the second, it is clear that there is no problem if one does not stupidly strive for power at the international level, even on a desert island. But even in the second case, statements about "ruined greatness" tend to distort historical factology.
      1. 0
        16 October 2020 14: 58
        Quote: sleeve
        Why is everything so crooked? Why is the national question so simplified? Before the Neanderthal level of interaction?

        Because children need to start raising while they are lying across the bed, and then it's too late. So we get it, and what we have ..
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    25. +5
      16 October 2020 13: 56
      And the Tatars of the Kazan kingdom themselves, from which people did they seize the land near Kazan? Or did they live there forever? They are not known to us people finished, and they themselves live, they are still healthy in their own republic. BUT, as always for some grant-eaters, "it will not be enough" ...
      1. 0
        17 October 2020 12: 05
        There is unfortunately no one to celebrate.
    26. +4
      16 October 2020 13: 58
      The Tatar-Mongol yoke of kakbe hints that there is something to remember not only in Kazan ..
      1. -2
        16 October 2020 15: 04
        Quote: Knell Wardenheart
        The Tatar-Mongol yoke of kakbe hints that there is something to remember not only in Kazan ..

        Do not confuse Chingizidrv with the Volga Bulgars.
    27. +3
      16 October 2020 13: 59
      :) oh how ... EMNIP, about a third of Ivan the Terrible's troops during the capture of Kazan were Tatars - these Natsiks do not want to honor their memory?
    28. +2
      16 October 2020 13: 59
      Everyone was so agitated, nationalism, Russophobia, but forgot one trifle - ALL judges are approved by Moscow and the President personally. What is the pop, so is the parish.
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    29. KCA
      0
      16 October 2020 14: 08
      There are lists of names of which of the Tatars fell fighting against Ivan the Terrible, and which of the Tatars who died fighting for Ivan the Terrible against the Kazan Khanate?
      1. 0
        17 October 2020 13: 54
        Yes, it seems there is somewhere. On the command and representative staff.
      2. 0
        17 October 2020 13: 56
        And of course the question was posed "exquisitely" ...
    30. +1
      16 October 2020 14: 57
      Quite bye-bye or what? Still, the time of the Neanderthals would be remembered!
    31. +3
      16 October 2020 16: 02
      The Kazan court allowed to honor the memory of the Tatars "who fell while defending the city from the troops of Ivan the Terrible"

      Well, it has begun, and soon a decree will be adopted on compensation to the descendants of the victims of "bloody Ivan" Something like how the staff pay the "unfortunate" Indians and Negroes.
      PS In the History section there is an interesting article about deportations.
    32. +2
      16 October 2020 16: 03
      They forgot about the Kulikovo field.
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    34. +2
      16 October 2020 16: 48
      I can already see the day in the memory of the German defenders of Stalingrad - February 2. Or at least beat the defenders of Berlin on May 2.
      In Bulgaria, you can organize a day in memory of the Ottoman defenders of Plevna.
      Only I doubt that Erdogan will allow the day of remembrance of the defenders of Constantinople.
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    36. BAI
      +1
      16 October 2020 16: 56
      on the basis of the Constitutions of the Russian Federation and the Republic of Tajikistan

      Have the words "Chechen Republic" been removed from the Constitution of the Republic of Tatarstan? Chechens don't seem to celebrate the defense of Kazan?
    37. +3
      16 October 2020 17: 20
      this is where the foundations of extremism and nationalism are born
    38. +2
      16 October 2020 17: 21
      The nationalist STUPID is very similar and it doesn't matter where it happens in Tatarstan or in Ukraine ...
    39. 0
      16 October 2020 19: 20
      Considering that the Tatars were also present in the army of Ivan the Terrible, all this window dressing looks, to put it mildly, strange ...
    40. +2
      16 October 2020 19: 23
      But under whose pressure was the term "Tatar-Mongol yoke" removed? If you condone, then they will have their BLM here. In vain they allowed this action. A precedent will be created. National identity, traditions, customs should not go beyond politics. Folklore, sabantuy, chak-chak. All.
    41. +2
      16 October 2020 19: 59
      everything is beautiful, but what to do with how this khanate took the Chuvashes into slavery ???
      Cheboksary erected a fortress on the Volga, if only Nizhny Novgorod was not touched ...
    42. -1
      16 October 2020 20: 01
      Quote: vonWolfenstein
      But under whose pressure was the term "Tatar-Mongol yoke" removed? If you condone, then they will have their BLM here. In vain they allowed this action. A precedent will be created. National identity, traditions, customs should not go beyond politics. Folklore, sabantuy, chak-chak. All.

      you don't know history at all
    43. -1
      16 October 2020 20: 07
      Quote: Growlers
      The nationalist STUPID is very similar and it doesn't matter where it happens in Tatarstan or in Ukraine ...

      You, too, are young, you can immediately see, believe me, no one wants to separate, in the early 90s there was a topic in Tataria, like we have oil, and we will somehow help you with money !!!
    44. 0
      16 October 2020 20: 33
      The ghost of Turan haunts the area: sarcasm:
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    46. 0
      16 October 2020 21: 21
      KAZAN, October 12. / Corr. RIA Novosti Vladimir Shevchuk /. In Kazan, in the Temple of the Image of the Savior Not Made by Hands, a memorial service was held on Saturday for the soldiers who fell during the capture of the city by the troops of Ivan the Terrible in 1552, the RIA Novosti correspondent reports.
      For the second year after almost a century break, believers come to the Temple on this day to commemorate those who perished in those distant times.
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    48. ZVS
      +1
      16 October 2020 22: 24
      Putin's "Pechenegs" did not give a damn about his democratic and ethical curtsies.
      The Russian people need to establish a holiday, the Day of Liberation from the Tatar-Mongol yoke.
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    50. 0
      16 October 2020 23: 21
      If the gentlemen have remembered 1552, then let them remember everything. For example: how the Volga Bulgaria fought with the Mongols for eight years. And how many blooming cities have remained in ruins forever. Kazan, as it was a flourishing city, has remained to this day.
    51. +2
      17 October 2020 07: 58
      I especially liked “our own statehood” .... our managers never learned anything in the 90s ....
    52. -1
      17 October 2020 12: 44
      Quote: seregatara1969
      And here Erdogan's ears stick out

      Do not make me laugh
    53. +2
      17 October 2020 15: 27
      Well, if individual Tatars are proud of their kinship with those robbers who were quite rightly punished by Ivan the Terrible... there’s nothing even worth commenting on...
    54. 0
      17 October 2020 16: 57
      - There was no slogan put forward: "Death to the Russian occupiers!"? lol And the demand for state independence of Tatarstan?!
    55. -1
      17 October 2020 17: 43
      On the one hand, nothing special, I don’t see the point for buhurt. On the other hand, this whole circus makes me smile. Especially this is their grief for some people who died there, who died like hell. It looks just as ridiculous if, for example, some group of Egyptians in Cairo came out and began to mourn the soldiers who died in some battle that took place under Cleopatra. A petty and ridiculous way for nationalists to assert themselves, nothing more...
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    57. +1
      17 October 2020 21: 33
      What was the Kazan court thinking when it allowed it, with your ass?! And if the Moscow court allows to honor the memory of those who died during the defense of Moscow from the Mongol-Tatars and Moscow launches a nuclear strike on Tatarstan, well, as a retaliatory strike, how will the headless judges and frostbitten Tatar separatists sick with Russophobia like it?!
    58. 0
      18 October 2020 07: 30
      ".....they just wanted to achieve the realization of the national rights of the people of Tatarstan to their own statehood on the basis of the Constitution of the Russian Federation." Key words "own statehood". The rest is verbal fornication, covering up the true goals of the Tatar nationalists. I’m not going to engage in a lengthy selection of facts confirming this, but I want to draw attention to the fact that since the 80s they have been periodically trying to take steps towards their statehood. These are attempts to prevent the celebration of the victory in the Battle of Kulikovo, and to turn the Tatar language into the state language, and to switch to the Latin alphabet, and to preserve the post of President of Tatarstan. At the same time, at the suggestion of Yeltsin, they are ready to take as much sovereignty as they can. And they use the tactics of small victories for this. Yes, it takes time, but they are ready for it. Moreover, those who want to add oil (money) to the smoldering fire over the hill are not decreasing. It is the changes to the Constitution of the Russian Federation that provide the grounds to once and for all stop this nationalist bedlam not only in Tatarstan, but also in other autonomies. Otherwise there will be trouble and a lot of blood.
    59. +3
      18 October 2020 11: 53
      This separatism and Russophobia must be burned out with a hot iron!!!
    60. 0
      21 October 2020 11: 29
      The Russian Federation is occupied by non-Russian authorities.
      Let's also honor the memory of the Poles who died in 1612 while defending the Moscow Kremlin from Russian barbarians!
      When will Russians finally become an indigenous people in the Kremlin?

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