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The Kazan court allowed to honor the memory of the Tatars "who fell while defending the city from the troops of Ivan the Terrible"

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The Kazan court allowed to honor the memory of the Tatars "who fell while defending the city from the troops of Ivan the Terrible"

The Vakhitovsky court of Kazan declared illegal the refusal of the city's executive committee to hold a rally in memory of the defenders of Kazan who died during the capture of the city by Ivan the Terrible. The action, organized by the All-Tatar Public Center (VTOTs), will take place on October 18 in the Tinchurin park in Kazan.


The Day of Remembrance of the defenders of Kazan, who died during the capture of the city in 1552 by the troops of Ivan the Terrible, is celebrated by Tatar activists annually in mid-October since the end of the 80s of the last century. Previously, the protesters gathered on Freedom Square, and then walked to the Kremlin, where they mourned for the fallen soldiers of the Kazan Khanate, but since 2013, the city authorities have banned the processions, leaving only agreed rallies.

This year, the action was originally scheduled for October 17 and was supposed to be held under the slogan: "To pay tribute to the memory of the ancestors who died in 1552 - to mark the day of remembrance, on the basis of the Constitutions of the Russian Federation and the Republic of Tatarstan to raise the problems of statehood." However, the organizers were refused, the mayor's office felt that the protesters could threaten the territorial integrity of the country. The document said that the purpose of the event does not comply with Russian legislation.

Representatives of the VTOTs managed to appeal against the refusal in court, indicating that the notice of the rally did not contain calls to violate the rights of citizens and did not threaten the integrity of the country.

(...) only wanted to achieve the realization of the national rights of the people of Tatarstan to their own statehood on the basis of the Constitution of the Russian Federation. Memorial Day of the defenders of Kazan in the events of the XNUMXth century when it was captured by Ivan the Terrible indicates a specific historical peculiarity of national relations on the territory of Tatarstan, which force to search for a compromise

- said the chairman of the VTOTs presidium Farit Zakiev
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  1. iouris
    iouris 16 October 2020 12: 41
    78
    Started. And the court had to show political correctness and also oblige to honor the memory of the Russians who died during the capture of Kazan.
    1. x.andvlad
      x.andvlad 16 October 2020 12: 44
      46
      I hope this VTOTs is under the watchful eye of the FSB. An ambiguous organization, probably with foreign connections. Only abroad can there be initiators of such a topic.
      1. Bashkirkhan
        Bashkirkhan 16 October 2020 12: 48
        36
        Quote: x.andvlad
        Only abroad can there be initiators of such a topic.

        Not necessary. The theme is still from the 90s. The local elite needed nationalists to quietly privatize state property. As a result, Shaimiev's children are on the Forbes list, like the children of other representatives of the former party nomenclature. And the nationalists are like a used condom in the trash heap.
        1. x.andvlad
          x.andvlad 16 October 2020 12: 55
          37
          All manifestations of nationalism must be strictly suppressed. No matter what it is in Russia. This is a very slippery slope.
          1. Same lech
            Same lech 16 October 2020 13: 01
            +5
            All manifestations of nationalism must be strictly suppressed.

            You propose to abolish nationalities ... sorry, too, a slippery slope leading to the collapse of the state.
            1. x.andvlad
              x.andvlad 16 October 2020 13: 07
              17
              In no case do I propose to cancel the nationality. I propose to control the sentiments of nationalists who can harm state integrity.
              1. Same lech
                Same lech 16 October 2020 13: 09
                +3
                I propose to control the sentiments of nationalists who can harm the unity of state integrity.

                Well, there is a framework of the law ... and if the law does not solve the problem, then the State Duma deputies are to blame, who do not want to solve this problem by changing the law for the better.
                1. krot
                  krot 16 October 2020 13: 59
                  +7
                  This is how separatism is born! Radicals will penetrate into those groups of Tatars .. Is it enough money for Tatars from the budget that is allocated? Maybe it's time to stop dating and collecting taxes from them? Russians don't remember much! Maybe you also need it?
                  1. Bashkirkhan
                    Bashkirkhan 16 October 2020 14: 18
                    +4
                    Quote: krot
                    Is it enough money for Tatars from the budget? Maybe it's time to stop dating and collecting taxes from them?

                    The RT sends most of the taxes collected on its territory to Moscow, and this share, apparently, will grow in 2020. This is the DONOR region.
                    1. Civil
                      Civil 16 October 2020 19: 57
                      +7
                      And the friendship of peoples began to grow stronger in the comments,
                      1. krot
                        krot 16 October 2020 20: 37
                        +4
                        The RT sends most of the taxes collected on its territory to Moscow, and this share, apparently, will grow in 2020. This is the DONOR region.

                        As much of the budget was allocated for the improvement of Kazan as many cities only dream of .. Plus investment programs for the construction of many enterprises in Tatarstan at the federal level.
                    2. not main
                      not main 16 October 2020 22: 11
                      +4
                      Quote: Bashkirkhan
                      Quote: krot
                      Is it enough money for Tatars from the budget? Maybe it's time to stop dating and collecting taxes from them?

                      The RT sends most of the taxes collected on its territory to Moscow, and this share, apparently, will grow in 2020. This is the DONOR region.

                      I've heard it somewhere ... Exactly! Ukraine!
              2. ancient
                ancient 16 October 2020 13: 17
                +5
                Quote: x.andvlad
                I propose to control the mood of the nationalists

                And I suggest you go to the tallest building in Kazan and .. point out to local authorities on their .. "connivance" wassat
                1. x.andvlad
                  x.andvlad 16 October 2020 13: 29
                  +1
                  Witty, damn it! good
                  1. ancient
                    ancient 16 October 2020 13: 32
                    +2
                    Quote: x.andvlad
                    Witty, damn it!

                    In our time, without humor ... just nowhere ... but, apparently, not everyone likes it wink
              3. imobile2008
                imobile2008 16 October 2020 15: 02
                0
                A watch for hundreds of millions of dollars from an official from Kazan, without subsequent punishment, is what most undermines the unity. Nobody needs a state that cannot stop theft
              4. Sanichsan
                Sanichsan 16 October 2020 20: 25
                13
                Quote: x.andvlad
                In no case do I propose to cancel the nationality.

                ummm .. what nationalities? in 1552 there were no nationalities. Who are these clowns who grieve over the capture of Kazan in 1552, and whose memory are they going to honor? bandits who for 100 years raided Rus nightmares and hunted the slave trade with plunder?
            2. alexmach
              alexmach 16 October 2020 14: 48
              16
              You propose to abolish nationalities ... sorry, too, a slippery slope leading to the collapse of the state.

              It is not possible to abolish nationalities, but people pedaling disunity on the hands of the pressure would be worth it, right up to tearing off these hands. Or maybe it is necessary to hold a memorial rally in Moscow timed to the burning of the city by the Mongol-Tatars? There were no dead? And there were no raids from the Kazan Khanate to Moscow either? Can the nationalists in Kazan be reminded of this and, according to the long-standing European tradition, issue a bill for the occupation? Personally, to those who organize this rally and come to it?
              1. Captain45
                Captain45 17 October 2020 12: 12
                +2
                Quote: alexmach
                Or maybe it is necessary to hold a memorial meeting in Moscow dedicated to the burning of the city by the Mongolo-Tatars? There were no dead? And there were no raids from the Kazan Khanate to Moscow either?

                Whose Khan Tokhtamysh was there that burned Moscow? Who burned Ryazan? And so you can get to the bottom of this, in the sense of the light of day from the depths of the ages. There the Armenians and Azerbaijanis have been arguing for how many years, whose stones in Karabakh are older. Therefore, since we touched upon the old times, then we must act with those who have touched upon it, as in the old days. On a count, literally. To impale a couple of screamers, as under Ivan IV, or tear them apart with horses, as under Tokhtamysh, and the sentence is naturally in the name of the Russian Federation, and it will immediately become clear who is the boss in the house. get through.
                1. alexmach
                  alexmach 17 October 2020 13: 28
                  0
                  Whose Khan Tokhtamysh was there that burned Moscow?

                  This one is still Horde.
                  Therefore, since we touched upon the old times, then we must act with those who have touched upon it, as in the old days. On a count, literally. Impale a couple of screamers, as under Ivan IV, or tear them apart with horses, as under Tokhtamysh

                  No, they must be suppressed by modern methods. But exactly what to actively suppress and oppose and not condone.
                  1. Captain45
                    Captain45 17 October 2020 15: 14
                    +1
                    Quote: alexmach
                    No, they must be suppressed by modern methods.

                    How modern is it? Expressing concerns, fines, etc. etc.? And it seems to me, although this is rude and cynical, but if, for example, the conditional Gozman is publicly impaled (all the same, sanctions), then his friends-followers, seeing this live and having estimated it on their anus, will immediately decide that it is better to drink with a ram and for play football than a policy with such consequences. And to criticize the authorities, but with constructive proposals, of course it is necessary, but you also need to see the edge of the clearing. And besides the whip, it doesn't seem to work otherwise.
                    1. alexmach
                      alexmach 17 October 2020 16: 27
                      -1
                      How modern is it?

                      Prohibit holding such rallies. Informationally oppose the authors of such messages. Conduct rallies and processions alternative to them.
                      1. Shadow041
                        Shadow041 17 October 2020 22: 14
                        +2
                        This is not enough. The organizers of the separatist rallies should be brought to justice, and the judges who allowed these rallies should be dismissed due to the loss of confidence.
            3. poquello
              poquello 17 October 2020 00: 00
              0
              Quote: The same Lech
              You are proposing to cancel nationalities ...
              I'm sorry, too, is a slippery slope leading to the collapse of the state.

              how? just these five-columnists will only have an excuse to spend cultural evenings
            4. Paul Siebert
              Paul Siebert 17 October 2020 07: 23
              +5
              Quote: The same LYOKHA

              You propose to abolish nationalities ... sorry, too, a slippery slope leading to the collapse of the state.

              It is impossible to "cancel" nationalities.
              You might as well cancel sunrise or seasons ...
              But abolishing the national republics is a long overdue matter.
              Equalize them in rights with the regions and edges of the country.
              That there were no "chosen ones", but were equal.
              By the way - Moscow first of all needs to be leveled.
              "Muscovy" must become Russia! wink
          2. ancient
            ancient 16 October 2020 13: 16
            -2
            Quote: x.andvlad
            All manifestations of nationalism must be strictly suppressed.

            In Kazan???? I beg you ... to appear immediately ... let's "secession" and "sovereignty"
            1. FenH
              FenH 16 October 2020 13: 28
              +4
              Quote: ancient
              Quote: x.andvlad
              All manifestations of nationalism must be strictly suppressed.

              In Kazan???? I beg you ... to appear immediately ... let's "secession" and "sovereignty"

              And who needs them, there is no way out to the borders. They have already tried, their head to the last considered himself the president, nevertheless now he is just the head of the republic
              1. ancient
                ancient 16 October 2020 13: 33
                0
                Quote: FenH
                They have already tried, their head to the last considered himself the president, nevertheless now he is just the head of the republic

                So for the money that is poured into them ... you can even be a simple mayor wink
                1. FenH
                  FenH 16 October 2020 13: 36
                  +5
                  Quote: ancient
                  Quote: FenH
                  They have already tried, their head to the last considered himself the president, nevertheless now he is just the head of the republic

                  So for the money that is poured into them ... you can even be a simple mayor wink

                  Tatarstan is a donor, he does not need infusions. The oil woman rules, but they can press her at any moment, there is no border, transportation is not possible wink
                  1. ancient
                    ancient 16 October 2020 14: 19
                    +1
                    Quote: FenH
                    Tatarstan is a donor, he does not need infusions.

                    Well yes wink
                    Quote: FenH
                    can press down

                    Tu-160, Mi-8MTV and so on wink
                    1. Shadow041
                      Shadow041 17 October 2020 22: 19
                      0
                      In Russia, there are a lot of aircraft factories that are out of work, so you can and should press down, otherwise, as soon as you get drunk, always give independence. All those who want independence to deprive the citizenship of the Russian Federation and send them to UKROPIA, let them go with Chubarov to pick Polish apples for a bowl of balanda
                  2. Sanichsan
                    Sanichsan 16 October 2020 20: 30
                    +2
                    Quote: FenH
                    Tatarstan is a donor, he does not need infusions. The oil woman rules, but they can press her at any moment, there is no border, transportation is not possible

                    Good day hi
                    maybe even steeper. remember the soda factory story ...
              2. Bashkirkhan
                Bashkirkhan 16 October 2020 13: 58
                +1
                Quote: FenH
                They have already tried, their head to the last considered himself the president, nevertheless now he is just the head of the republic

                Minnikhanov is the president of Tatarstan, he was elected a month ago for a new term.
                https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.kommersant.ru/amp/4492464
            2. x.andvlad
              x.andvlad 16 October 2020 13: 30
              +2
              Quote: ancient
              In Kazan???? I beg you ... to appear immediately ... let's "secession" and "sovereignty"


              You're just Wang! what
            3. Zoldat_A
              Zoldat_A 16 October 2020 14: 17
              +3
              Quote: ancient
              Quote: x.andvlad
              All manifestations of nationalism must be strictly suppressed.

              In Kazan???? I am begging you...will appear immediately ... let's "secession" and "sovereignty"

              It was already in the 90s.
              They hoped to live on the income from Tatneft and KamAZ. Only, taking into account the integration into the Russian industry located outside of Tatarstan, taking into account the enclave of the territory - the price of Tatneft and KamAZ is three kopecks per market day. Babay then understood this and quickly dispersed the "otdedents" himself.
              I have great respect for him. Not even for what he did (and we also remember the ban on the import of vodka from Russia and, at the same time, the "Kamaz" of Tatar vodka in exchange for grain in the collective farms of Russia bordering Tataria. At the traffic police posts, they pulled a bottle of vodka from the glove compartment, my son was not allowed to bring in two boxes of vodka for the wedding.) First of all, Babay is worthy of respect for what he did not allow. At that time, we still lacked a second Chechnya on the Kama River, in the middle of Russia ...
            4. alexmach
              alexmach 16 October 2020 14: 50
              +4
              In Kazan???? I beg you ... to appear immediately ... let's "secession" and "sovereignty"

              Well, apparently you will have to take Kazan again.
            5. albert
              albert 16 October 2020 18: 43
              +3
              Quote: ancient
              come on "secession" and "sovereignty"

              Send them to their historical homeland in Mongolia, let them graze the cattle there.
            6. poquello
              poquello 17 October 2020 00: 07
              +1
              Quote: ancient
              Quote: x.andvlad
              All manifestations of nationalism must be strictly suppressed.

              In Kazan???? I beg you ... to appear immediately ... let's "secession" and "sovereignty"

              to the department - yes, but from whom did Shaimiev demand sovereignty? Is it not from Borka Yeltsin that he himself received sovereignty on the ball?
            7. Shadow041
              Shadow041 17 October 2020 22: 16
              +1
              It means to send special forces and give all the sisters earrings. Separatism must be stifled in the bud.
          3. lucul
            lucul 16 October 2020 13: 24
            23
            All manifestations of nationalism must be strictly suppressed. No matter what it is in Russia. This is a very slippery slope.

            You can't say anything to anyone, yeah.
            But Russians can be watered with slop with impunity 24 hours a day, in their own country.
            And how do you try to suppress - so at once - nationalism - how convenient, isn't it?
            1. FenH
              FenH 16 October 2020 13: 40
              +2
              Quote: lucul
              All manifestations of nationalism must be strictly suppressed. No matter what it is in Russia. This is a very slippery slope.

              You can't say anything to anyone, yeah.
              But Russians can be watered with slop with impunity 24 hours a day, in their own country.
              And how do you try to suppress - so at once - nationalism - how convenient, isn't it?

              Trump is now pushing a good little bit, which, if pushed through their liberal-democrats' throats, can demand the same in Russia hi
          4. Vladimir Mashkov
            Vladimir Mashkov 17 October 2020 09: 43
            0
            There is NOTHING new and surprising, EVERYWHERE collapse, disintegration, separation and accompanying Russophobia, wars, blood began with grief over the innocent victims of the Bolsheviks, the USSR, Stalin. This was the case everywhere: in the Baltics, in / in the Ukraine, in Georgia. It starts in Kazakhstan, Armenia, Belarus, Kyrgyzstan. A local highlight is the grief over the victims of Ivan the Terrible. YET they don't talk about the victims of the Bolsheviks and Stalin. But they will start soon! And behind all this "grief" protrude clearly visible ears of the State Department and Soros.
          5. RUSS
            RUSS 17 October 2020 12: 43
            -4
            Quote: x.andvlad
            All manifestations of nationalism must be strictly suppressed. No matter what it is in Russia. This is a very slippery slope.

            This is not the point, more of a threat to Russia is the absence of federalism as a current one.
        2. stalki
          stalki 16 October 2020 13: 40
          +1
          And the nationalists are like a used condom in the trash heap.
          And nationalists belong there.
        3. seregatara1969
          seregatara1969 17 October 2020 00: 45
          0
          And here Erdogan's ears stick out
      2. apro
        apro 16 October 2020 12: 58
        +5
        Quote: x.andvlad
        I hope this VTOTs is under the watchful eye of the FSB. An ambiguous organization, probably with foreign connections. Only abroad can there be initiators of such a topic.

        And this is something that decides? KGB also controlled and directed the national fronts ... not long ago ...
        1. x.andvlad
          x.andvlad 16 October 2020 13: 03
          +1
          What exactly? Control from the FSB? Decides unequivocally. This is a security agency designed to protect state security. And the topic, sucked from the finger, by this VTOTS clearly does not serve the interests of a single state.
          1. apro
            apro 16 October 2020 13: 08
            0
            Quote: x.andvlad
            Control from the FSB?

            The organization in the structure of the bourgeois state protects the interests of the leading class. And what are their interests? Only commercial. And if the separatist movement is profitable for them, then no FSB will help. There will be no command ... this is just two. If they crawled out, they were given the go-ahead.
            Do the Russian bourgeoisie serve the interests of a single state?
            1. x.andvlad
              x.andvlad 16 October 2020 13: 14
              +2
              Quote: apro
              Do the Russian bourgeoisie serve the interests of a single state?

              They just need a single market in the form of a single state, dear.
              1. apro
                apro 16 October 2020 13: 18
                +4
                Quote: x.andvlad
                They just need a single market in the form of a single state, dear

                It was just that the new Russians successfully loved it ... having bombed everything that was left of the USSR and did not really create anything ..
                1. tihonmarine
                  tihonmarine 16 October 2020 14: 05
                  0
                  Quote: apro
                  It was just that the new Russians successfully loved it ... having bombed everything that was left of the USSR and did not really create anything ..

                  They are born to destroy, but not to create.
      3. iouris
        iouris 16 October 2020 13: 04
        +2
        Quote: x.andvlad
        FSB. An ambiguous organization, probably with foreign connections.

        Possible.
      4. Labrador
        Labrador 16 October 2020 13: 06
        11
        I’ll say even more: the Vakhitovsky court of Kazan urgently needs to be on the nail, because this action is nothing more than inciting ethnic hatred leading to an encroachment on the territorial integrity of the State!
        1. ancient
          ancient 16 October 2020 13: 19
          -1
          Quote: Labrador
          Vakhitovsky court of Kazan

          Not aware that our Courts have something ... not touched and not subject to jurisdiction wink
          1. Shadow041
            Shadow041 17 October 2020 22: 23
            0
            Nobody bothers to dismiss any court in the neck, with the wording - In connection with the loss of confidence. And these separatists clearly do not inspire confidence, from the word AT ALL.
      5. ancient
        ancient 16 October 2020 13: 15
        +3
        Quote: x.andvlad
        Only abroad can there be initiators of such a topic.

        And local ideologists are missing
      6. The Siberian barber
        The Siberian barber 16 October 2020 13: 56
        +1
        Quote: x.andvlad
        I hope this VTOTs is under the watchful eye of the FSB. An ambiguous organization, probably with foreign connections. Only abroad can there be initiators of such a topic.

        Such a stay, not far off the signatures of "relatives of the victims" demanding compensation for the genocide of the Tatar people wassat
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 16 October 2020 14: 12
          +2
          Quote: The Siberian Barber
          Such a stay, not far off the signatures of "relatives of the victims" demanding compensation for the genocide of the Tatar people

          No, it won't come to that, they'll be afraid. Here all of Russia can sue them for the genocide of the Russian people (the neighbors cannot claim this).
      7. Tank jacket
        Tank jacket 16 October 2020 13: 56
        +3
        Yes, separatism is again inflated by the Soros and the Turks. Great Turan gathered to build ...
      8. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 16 October 2020 13: 58
        +1
        Quote: x.andvlad
        I hope this VTOTs is under the watchful eye of the FSB. An ambiguous organization, probably with foreign connections. Only abroad can there be initiators of such a topic.

        sure! in the photo there is a Tatar, who on the right is wearing an American folk hat. smile everyone else is in national attire! here is proof of foreign interference.
        "To pay tribute to the memory of the ancestors who died in 1552, - to mark the day of remembrance, on the basis of the Constitutions of the Russian Federation and the Republic of Tatarstan, raise the problems of statehood"
        - problems of statehood are already separatism. Where is the prosecutor's office looking?
      9. Alex Justice
        Alex Justice 17 October 2020 17: 52
        +1
        Obscurantism.
    2. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 16 October 2020 12: 47
      16
      Quote: iouris
      Started. And the court had to show political correctness and also oblige to honor the memory of the Russians who died during the capture of Kazan.

      And how many people died while defending their cities from the invasion of the Mongol-Tatars? Kozelsk, its inhabitants, that defended from the Tatars where ?!
      1. WILL
        WILL 16 October 2020 13: 01
        -3
        Already wrote on the thread below ... Kazan Tatars are not involved in the Igu and the Mongol-Tatars. Eni - Bulgars and Kypchaks! Kozelsk could not suffer from them in any way. hi
        1. paul3390
          paul3390 16 October 2020 13: 08
          21
          Oh sure. And then the Kazanians never went to Russia on campaigns. Before Grozny, it was generally one of the centers of the slave trade.

          And by the way - let the tribute for 250 years be returned! With interest .. Once they call themselves Tatars.
          1. WILL
            WILL 16 October 2020 13: 16
            -3
            Quote: paul3390
            Oh sure. And then the Kazanians never went to Russia on campaigns. Before Grozny, it was generally one of the centers of the slave trade.

            And by the way - let the tribute for 250 years be returned! With interest .. Once they call themselves Tatars.

            They went to Russia, but to Igu - Innocents completely laughing
            On the return of tribute for 250 years (why not for 300?) - these are questions to the remnants of the Golden Horde, namely to the Kalmyks, Siberian and Crimean Tatars! yes
            1. paul3390
              paul3390 16 October 2020 13: 18
              +6
              And what - Kazan was not a part of the Horde? Why? And the Kalmyks have absolutely nothing to do with it .. For they have nothing to do with the Golden Horde ..
              1. WILL
                WILL 16 October 2020 13: 57
                -2
                Quote: paul3390
                And what - Kazan was not a part of the Horde? Why? And the Kalmyks have absolutely nothing to do with it .. For they have nothing to do with the Golden Horde ..

                Kalmyks are Oirats, who intermarried with Genghis Khan by dynastic marriages and together built the Empire! These are the same Mongols - only in profile.
                Kazan Tatars (Bulgars) have nothing to do with the campaigns of Genghis Khan and Batu!
                1. tihonmarine
                  tihonmarine 16 October 2020 14: 27
                  -1
                  Quote: ANIMAL
                  Kazan Tatars (Bulgars) have nothing to do with the campaigns of Genghis Khan and Batu!

                  Do NOT have, that's for sure. And look at the appearance of the Kazan Tatars and Kalmyks, you can see with the naked eye that these are different peoples.
                2. _Sergei_
                  _Sergei_ 16 October 2020 16: 26
                  +4
                  Tatars and Bulgars are different peoples. The Bulgars used to live there, and when the Tatars came, they destroyed some of them, and some assimilated.
                  In short, this is not the Tatar land, but the Bulgar
        2. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 16 October 2020 14: 23
          +2
          Quote: ANIMAL
          Kazan Tatars are not involved in the Igu and Mongol-Tatars. Eni - Bulgars and Kypchaks! Kozelsk could not suffer from them in any way.

          Yeah ...

          - You Jews crucified Christ ...
          - It was not our Jews were, then Kherson ...
          Go, try to figure it out now - what's in that in this case. Whose are the Jews, whose are the Tatars? ... Well now - to make both those and others guilty in life for the "fifth point", which now does not even exist?
    3. Babermetis
      Babermetis 16 October 2020 12: 48
      -2
      Quote: iouris
      Started. And the court had to show political correctness and also oblige to honor the memory of the Russians who died during the capture of Kazan.


      The court does not owe anything or anyone. The court must be responsible for the legal judgment established by it.
      1. iouris
        iouris 16 October 2020 12: 58
        +8
        Not "established" but "decided". I say that the court was supposed to prohibit the events, if not presented: death certificates, a list of the dead, documents certifying kinship with the dead. But there is also a higher court!
      2. Basil50
        Basil50 16 October 2020 13: 06
        10
        In response, one can only wish that these Tatars knew history.
        So, the defeated were not cut out, and their descendants, or rather those who today inscribe themselves as descendants, make claims for the fact that they were left without slaves and booty. The next step will be a claim for compensation for the taken away slaves and unlimited power, and of course * for lost profits * with interest.
        The more stupid and delusional the ideas of nationalists are, the easier it is to promote them among the * bruised to the full *.
        Look how many ideas appear with claims to antiquity and heroism and tectonic achievements.
        On a national scale, the Nazis, the Chinese, and the Americans were vpending similar ideas, and then it became * a world fad *.
    4. Pereira
      Pereira 16 October 2020 12: 52
      19
      and oblige also to honor the memory of the Russians who died in the capture of Kazan.


      Not only. We must honor the memory of the Tatars of the army of Ivan the Terrible, who died in the capture of Kazan.
      1. iouris
        iouris 16 October 2020 13: 03
        +6
        It was not a war against some "Tatars", but for the unification of the state. Everyone who spoke the Turkic languages ​​was called Tatars in Russia (incomprehensible "gibberish"). Germans - all indiscriminately Western "Europeans" ("dumb" - do not speak Russian).
      2. sniperino
        sniperino 16 October 2020 20: 18
        +2
        Quote: Pereira
        and oblige also to honor the memory of the Russians who died in the capture of Kazan.

        Not only. We must honor the memory of the Tatars of the army of Ivan the Terrible, who died in the capture of Kazan.
        And also the Russian detachment of Kazan defenders.
    5. Same lech
      Same lech 16 October 2020 12: 56
      +9
      Started. And the court had to show political correctness and also oblige to honor the memory of the Russians who died during the capture of Kazan.

      Of course, this is a complete disgrace ... this is how the state and society are split ... such tricks with history must be nipped in the bud ... otherwise we will play out to fratricide.
    6. prior
      prior 16 October 2020 12: 58
      22
      I demand in Russia to introduce a public holiday - the Day of the capture of Kazan by the troops of Ivan the Terrible and declare it a non-working day.
      Kazan should be the center of the celebration.
    7. Observer2014
      Observer2014 16 October 2020 12: 58
      +9
      Quote: iouris
      Started. And the court had to show political correctness and also oblige to honor the memory of the Russians who died during the capture of Kazan.

      Why. Let this court grant permission to honor all the victims of the Tatar-Mongol yoke. Why walk there like that. In general, it looks like an anecdote about "An unknown guest is worse than a Tatar. What nonsense. Besides "Take as much independence as you can" Thank you EBN. You were a real strategist negative
    8. ancient
      ancient 16 October 2020 13: 13
      0
      Quote: iouris
      Began.

      And it never stopped .. unfortunately .. it was just me "camouflage" ... the money had to .. "pull".
      Once I was not careful to travel with the crew along the route Saratov-Samara-Kazan ....... it is better not to repeat ... wassat
    9. midivan
      midivan 16 October 2020 13: 27
      +3
      It started there when they had a president ...
    10. Graz
      Graz 16 October 2020 14: 24
      +3
      then we must remember the slave trade of Muslim states
    11. astepanov
      astepanov 16 October 2020 15: 11
      +2
      Russian chroniclers note that during the capture of Kazan Kazan there were many cases of looting and murders of civilians committed by Russian troops. But it is impossible to think that the Tatars are white and fluffy - even before the last Kazan campaign, the Tatars were forced to release Russian prisoners taken during the Tatars' attacks on the territory of Russia, and there were 60 thousand prisoners! The prisoners were sold further east, right up to China, and this was an important source of income for the Kazan Khanate. It should be noted that the raids of the nomads who inhabited the middle Volga region on Russian cities took place even in the late 18th - early 19th centuries, I know about this from the history of my native city.
      It is obvious that attempts to arrange interethnic squabbles on the basis of the events of the 15-16 centuries, and even with references to modern, and not those times, ideas about justice, are carried out not even in the interests of the peoples of Russia - they have a purely separatist color. It is absolutely necessary to develop a law on criminal liability for doubts about the fairness of the existing status quo, and even more calls for its change. We have few wars on the outskirts, only there are not enough booze in the middle of the country ...
    12. RealPilot
      RealPilot 17 October 2020 15: 23
      +1
      celebrate the day of remembrance, on the basis of the Constitutions of the Russian Federation and the Republic of Tatarstan, raise the problems of statehood

      This already smacks of separatism!

      Tatar activists celebrate annually in mid-October since the end of the 80s of the last century

      That is, it just started at the most turbulent time, the rampant of nationalism in the republics was gaining momentum.
      It's time to carry out explanatory work using available methods, in the Russian Federation there are all the possibilities for this ... Otherwise, we will not keep Russia intact.
    13. Blackgrifon
      Blackgrifon 17 October 2020 21: 55
      -3
      Quote: iouris
      And the court had to show political correctness

      So the court is limited by the scope of the claim. A claim to appeal against a decision of an LSG body. The list of grounds for banning a rally and other events is exhaustive and is set out in federal and regional laws. If there is no reason, then the decision is unreasonable.
      So here you have to make a claim to the person, the cat. not clearly enough to link his refusal to the rule of law. And in this case, an assessment is given. By the way, in most of Russia this is how the courts work.

      For example. We have had the so-called. The bulkheads wanted to stir up the rally in front of the regional government building with the use of all sorts of cult objects (the muzzle of a cocaine man on a cube of 1-2 square meters). So, in the end, they lost the case in court - the cube, when placed, could place access to the building for wheelchair users and the passage of citizens along the sidewalk (they would have to go to the roadway). At the same time, 90% of the bans on holding events in other places of the city were declared illegal in the courts.
    14. vVvAD
      vVvAD 18 October 2020 11: 43
      0
      Quote: iouris
      ... and also oblige to honor the memory of the Russians who died in the capture of Kazan

      Emotions in international relations are harmful - think what you write!
      The Tatars have every right to do so. As well as the Russians, but there are no Russians who honor the memory of the fallen under the walls of Kazan. The explanation is simple: for the Tatars this is a mournful date - like any other loss and defeat for any nation - and this is normal. For us, this is the success and strengthening of the state. And they do not grieve for victories - they are celebrated. And then the memory is blurred by the age of years, and in the chain of victories it is pointless to mark each one - the result is important. And lesions are felt more painful and acute, and the memory of them in one form or another lives longer.
      Therefore, even if you oblige someone to celebrate the losses of the Russians during the capture of Kazan, it will look funny - on the principle: just to answer something. You need to answer with wisdom, not stupidity.
  2. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 16 October 2020 12: 42
    +8
    And then they start? Another outbreak of nationalism? So, step by step, based on the constitution ... So the Poles in Moscow - it will be fresher, 1600s!
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 16 October 2020 13: 04
      +5
      And then they start? Another outbreak of nationalism?

      This is not an outbreak of nationalism, this is an attempt to use nationalism for other people's goals ... in Chechnya, Kadyrov erected a monument to Chechens who fought against Russian soldiers ... what is the official reaction to this?
      1. ancient
        ancient 16 October 2020 13: 22
        +1
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        . what is the official reaction to this?

        Been in Grozny before ... and after ... you will immediately feel the difference bully
  3. Million
    Million 16 October 2020 12: 43
    +2
    Foolishness! Or a bad call.
    1. midivan
      midivan 16 October 2020 13: 31
      +5
      This bell is only for Estonians)) And then the ringing is already ringing, the sea was thrown in money, the production was rebuilt and the Tatars decided that they had caught their luck by the tail and began to engage in extortion ... It was not long to wait for the declaration of independence ..
      1. bairat
        bairat 16 October 2020 18: 00
        -4
        What kind of money did you get and when?
        1. midivan
          midivan 16 October 2020 18: 52
          +3
          Quote: bairat
          What kind of money did you get and when?

          Tatarstan will receive 13,6 billion in support due to COVID-19. This is the largest subsidy among the regions of the Russian Federation
          24 May 2020
          The Russian government has allocated more than 13,6 billion rubles to Tatarstan for compensation due to a decrease in budget revenues in connection with the coronavirus pandemic. The corresponding document was published on the website of the Cabinet .... - For example, this is .. KamAZ, you yourself raised it from your knees? Aviation industry too? Sports objects..
          1. bairat
            bairat 17 October 2020 08: 18
            -2
            And Tatarstan transfers 800 billion to the budget annually.
            In Soviet times, 2 billion tons (not barrels) of oil were produced here, if we translate this into money of a cosmic scale, everything passed us by.
            1. LCD
              LCD 17 October 2020 12: 47
              +2
              "And Tatarstan transfers 800 billion to the budget annually." - and how much federal money has been poured here, did you have any questions? Here is a small list of the largest enterprises in Tatarstan, built with the participation of federal investments (USSR, RSFSR, RF) during their creation: Kazan Helicopter Plant, KAMAZ, OJSC Nizhnekamsk Mechanical Plant, OJSC Nizhnekamsktekhuglerod, LLC Kamsky Tractor Plant, OJSC Kamgesenergostroy, JSC Aerated Concrete Plant, JSC National Enterprise Naberezhnye Chelninsky Cardboard and Paper Mill, Kazan Aircraft Plant, JSC KMPO, JSC Zelenodolsk Plant named after Gorky ", PJSC" Tatneft ", Nizhnekamskneftekhim, OJSC" POZiS ", JSC" Plant "ELEKON" (former Kazan plant of heat exchange devices), PJSC "Kazan electrotechnical plant", JSC "NPO" Radioelectronics named after V.I.Shimko "( former Special Design Bureau of Plant No. 294), OJSC "Radiopribor", OJSC Kazan Plant "Elektropribor" (the original name was "Aviapribor"), AO "Kazan Design Bureau" Soyuz "(GK" Rostec "), AO NPO OKB IM. MP Simonov "(formerly OKB" Sokol "), JSC" Kazan Optical and Mechanical Plant "and so on ........ And this is many times more than what you dare to mention. 2 billion tons in terms of the rate of 1981 (when 2 billion tons were produced) 0,675 rubles per $ 1, at that time cost $ 6,75 billion.
              1. bairat
                bairat 17 October 2020 15: 42
                -2
                There are 7 barrels in a ton, we multiply and get 14 billion barrels, x $ 30 = $ 420 billion
        2. Shadow041
          Shadow041 17 October 2020 22: 29
          +2
          Yes, you have not even built and created a KaMaZ. Construction from ZiL, money from it.
          1. bairat
            bairat 18 October 2020 09: 13
            -2
            And where is your ZIL with its miracle inventors? And Kamaz would be in the same place, in scrap metal, Muscovites were pulling their paws.
            1. Bear040
              Bear040 18 October 2020 11: 46
              +2
              Muscovites have created a KaMaZ for you, then you yourself only throw show-off, and arrange separatist antics. Do you want war ?! Look, you will receive, but you will hardly be delighted! You played into Russophobia and got drunk, at our expense, gentlemen of the national minority! It's time to abolish your republics, there is nothing to give to the not clever!
              1. bairat
                bairat 18 October 2020 14: 49
                -2
                Well, go and abolish, why bark from the couch.
                1. Bear040
                  Bear040 24 October 2020 11: 12
                  +2
                  People like you are barking here. I don't like the Russian Federation, I packed my suitcase and dumped from here !!!
  4. Al_lexx
    Al_lexx 16 October 2020 12: 44
    +7
    Cinema and Germans. When Ivan Vasilyevich took Kazan, there were enough Tatars on both sides.
    1. iouris
      iouris 16 October 2020 13: 00
      +2
      By the way, the Tatars were called Bulgars. Even such a steamer sank: "Bulgaria". Kazan extremists do not know their history.
      1. Al_lexx
        Al_lexx 16 October 2020 15: 12
        +1
        By the way, the Tatars were called Bulgars.

        Not certainly in that way. Tatars, these are Tatars. But there was also a state, like Bulgaria (just the lower Volga region), which at one time was part of the Khazar Kaganate, whose influence extended from the Crimea to the lower Volga region and saddled most of the great Sholkovy. At the same time, there was also the Central Siberian Tatar Khanate, which had nothing to do with Bulgaria.
        In other words, calling the Tatars Bulgars is like calling Russians Russians. winked
        As for the rest, about the Kazan extremists, I agree with you.
  5. Pavel57
    Pavel57 16 October 2020 12: 44
    12
    The event is clearly against Russia.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 16 October 2020 12: 48
      +5
      Quote: Pavel57
      The event is clearly against Russia.

      How lovely! Well these are the descendants of the "Tatar-Mongol yoke"! This means that Ukraine can present them with claims for the devastation of Kiev by "theirs" troops. We, however, have already written to the Mongols about this. The Mongols even promised that they would pay something to the proven descendants ... But now it is necessary to pay attention to the Tatars.
      1. WILL
        WILL 16 October 2020 12: 56
        -2
        Quote: Egoza

        How lovely! Well these are the descendants of the "Tatar-Mongol yoke"! This means that Ukraine can present them with claims for the devastation of Kiev by "theirs" troops. We, however, have already written to the Mongols about this. The Mongols even promised that they would pay something to the proven descendants ... But now it is necessary to pay attention to the Tatars.

        You are mistaken, Kazan Tatars are Bulgars and Kypchaks! They are not involved in the "Tatar-Mongol yoke"! hi
        I hope there are no “veterans” of this battle left? what
        1. Egoza
          Egoza 16 October 2020 13: 01
          0
          Quote: ANIMAL
          Kazan Tatars are Bulgars and Kypchaks! They are not involved in the "Tatar-Mongol yoke"!

          Isn't it all the same! The main thing is to get paid!
          1. WILL
            WILL 16 October 2020 13: 03
            +1
            Quote: Egoza

            Isn't it all the same! The main thing is to get paid!

            Well then, through the Basmanny Court of Moscow, we urgently need to prove their involvement! laughing and demand compensation for the victims of that arbitrariness! laughing
    2. iouris
      iouris 16 October 2020 13: 35
      +1
      Not. In favor of Erdogan.
  6. Doctor
    Doctor 16 October 2020 12: 44
    +3
    They laughed at the Polovtsians. And it looks like ...
    It turns out to be relevant. wink
    1. iouris
      iouris 16 October 2020 13: 40
      +1
      Relevant is what one cannot live without. Here we see the enemy hand. That which is called "Russia" has long been basically the Russian-Tatar civilization or the Tatar-Russian. Pushkin also remarked (I cannot vouch for the accuracy): "Scratch a Russian and you will find a Tatar." I will add, or a Ukrainian, or a Georgian, a Mari, a Buryat, a German ... And thank God!
      I think the same can be said about the Tatars. Hooray!
      But if someone is not satisfied with this civilization - go nafig, look for another. A lot of them.
  7. Thrifty
    Thrifty 16 October 2020 12: 46
    +7
    To send them to the Kolyma, and the court in full force, and nationalists! So, let them "celebrate" in the taiga, surrounded by wolves and hungry bears !!! This is actually an attempt to pull Russia apart from the "national regiments" under the pretext of giving back to the memory of ancestors! And where is our "valiant" FSB, and law enforcement agencies? So after all, and imperceptibly Maidan in Russia "bungle" is not long!
  8. Babermetis
    Babermetis 16 October 2020 12: 46
    0
    Since the mid-80s ... since Perestroika, MS Gorbachev means ... I was the first to learn that such events had taken place.
  9. ksv36
    ksv36 16 October 2020 12: 47
    +6
    Begging for repetition?
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 16 October 2020 12: 58
      +5
      Begging for repetition?


      As it was in the city in Kazan,
      The formidable tsar was feasting and having fun.
      He beat the Tatars mercilessly,
      So that they are discouraged
      Walk along Russia.
      He approached and approached Kazan-town;
      He dug the trenches under the Kazanka River.
      As a Tatar walk around the city,
      They look at Tsar Ivan,
      Angry Tatarov.
      The formidable tsar - from twisted,
      He hung the head on his right shoulder.
      How the king began to call the gunners,
      Gunmen are all lighters,
      Lighters.
      The candle smoked with fervent wax;
      A young gunman came up to the barrel.
      And with the gunpowder, the barrel spun,
      Oh, I rolled along the trenches
      Yes, and slammed.
      They screamed, shouted anger to the Tatars,
      They flooded with good language.
      Tartar's darkness fell,
      Forty thousand died
      Yes, three thousand.
      So it was in the city in Kazan! ... Eh!
  10. Igoresha
    Igoresha 16 October 2020 12: 49
    +2
    burden of a plurinational state ...
    1. Dym71
      Dym71 16 October 2020 12: 54
      +5
      Quote: Igoresha
      burden of a plurinational state ...

      Everyday life of the state with the absence of a common goal and vector of development
    2. Vadim Golubkov
      Vadim Golubkov 16 October 2020 13: 08
      +3
      Separate dbl, I have relatives of the Tatars. Quilted jackets and Russia love.
  11. sustav75
    sustav75 16 October 2020 12: 50
    0
    To pacify these, Putin must build several mosques in Kazan! And invite Erdogan's friend to the opening, as he already did. What a trifle thing!
  12. Victorio
    Victorio 16 October 2020 12: 52
    +4
    this is how it all begins
  13. kubanec
    kubanec 16 October 2020 13: 02
    +5
    What about the next step? Call the Russians invaders?
    1. Alex bergman
      Alex bergman 16 October 2020 13: 19
      +6
      Years from now ... it will be so. It is necessary to destroy this movement in the bud.
  14. Alex bergman
    Alex bergman 16 October 2020 13: 02
    10
    Where is the application of Article 282 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation ??? Or is it just for Russians ?!
    1. Alex bergman
      Alex bergman 16 October 2020 13: 07
      +6
      The Tula city court is unlikely to dare to pass a decision allowing a rally in honor of the memory of the heroes of the Battle of Molodya. And the applicants will deal with the main department of the Ministry of Internal Affairs for the fight against extremism and compliance with the constitutional order.
      1. Alex bergman
        Alex bergman 16 October 2020 13: 09
        +4
        Here it will work 282. And in Tatarstan it will not work. You have to understand - "it's different here"
    2. Varyag71
      Varyag71 16 October 2020 13: 14
      +7
      so it was invented only for the Rus.
      1. Alex bergman
        Alex bergman 16 October 2020 13: 17
        +6
        Until the article begins to work for all nationalities, Russia will be rocked by national signs! Leaders themselves give this opportunity to "partners".
  15. Vadim Golubkov
    Vadim Golubkov 16 October 2020 13: 06
    +6
    Not that I was in the city of Love? I love local history museums, people ran from the Kazan raids to Kostroma to hide. Until the letter to Tsar Ivan the Terrible was not submitted, so that the fortress was made ... from the raids of the Kazan Tatars ... Yes, we live in one country that stir up the past, and the Tatars fought on both sides, we live in the same state. You have to think about the before, the present, not the past.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 16 October 2020 14: 55
      0
      Quote: Vadim Golubkov
      You have to think about the before, the present, not the past.

      That's for sure, we have nothing to share.
  16. Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 16 October 2020 13: 06
    +3
    And how many are there? Why include all of Kazan or Tatarstan among them?
    And these, otherwise, as sleeping cells ... you can not name!
  17. sd000016
    sd000016 16 October 2020 13: 09
    +6
    If necessary, we will repeat. In Turkey, the day of the capture of Constantinople is a national holiday, and in Russia the day of the capture of Kazan can be arranged as a public holiday.
    1. Calm
      Calm 16 October 2020 13: 50
      -2
      Good afternoon. And what city are you from, may I ask?
  18. Varyag71
    Varyag71 16 October 2020 13: 13
    +1
    Now such and other news is absolutely not surprising. Could something be different now under the current government?
  19. Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 16 October 2020 13: 19
    +5
    It remains in court to obtain permission to honor the memory of May 9 who died during the conquest of Siberia by Yermak - and our political correctness will go off scale laughing

    On May 9, 1582, at the mouth of the Tura, the Cossacks had to fight six Tatar princes, among whom the most famous were Matmas and Kaskara.
  20. evgen1221
    evgen1221 16 October 2020 13: 25
    +2
    Whoever says what, but in the government and further down the list, pest agents have long been placed. Otherwise, there is simply no logic or necessity to explain the decisions made. We remove the shooting of stray animals and unbuild nurseries, we remove nurseries and kindergartens for homeless people and immediately rent them out for offices, introduce incomprehensible worship and are surprised at extremism, come up with more than 1000 laws a year and churn out amendments to them for years. And then we all wonder why this cart is not only not going, but is growing more and more into guano.
  21. Lesorub
    Lesorub 16 October 2020 13: 34
    +7
    The Kazan court allowed to honor the memory of the Tatars "who fell while defending the city from the troops of Ivan the Terrible"

    It is worth taking a closer look at the legality of this permission! Another manifestation of Russophobia.
    Other cities - can honor the memory of those who fell during the "invasion of the Tatars" - let's go far.
  22. Rusticolus
    Rusticolus 16 October 2020 13: 36
    0
    I will buy a photo recorder of social distance. Expensive. Until October 17th. laughing
  23. sleeve
    sleeve 16 October 2020 13: 44
    +5
    Why is everything so crooked? Why is the national question so simplified. Before the Neanderthal level of interaction? The desire to kick the Russian world becomes simply life-giving. And it doesn't matter that cultural self-identity and independence, the very concept of "modern Tatar culture" is a product of the patronage of the Russian state. It is strange that no marches are held in memory of the millions of Slavs stolen as slaves for three hundred years of "cooperation". It is customary to remember almost everywhere (Crimea, Kazan) only the final, when they came to ask for it. And if we remember, then this is "nationalist extremism." What to do? Maybe it’s true to ask ourselves and others around us how important the past and joint future are for us? What is the idea of ​​the Tatars' confrontation with us, if there is such confrontation? Dissatisfied with the current situation? It is foolish to assume so. From a distance it is clear that we need to scratch our heads about raising the standard of living of the "title", so to speak. In the last fight? But this requires lost heights and modern problems with sovereignty. Regarding the second, it is clear that there is no problem if one does not stupidly strive for power at the international level, even on a desert island. But even in the second case, statements about "ruined greatness" tend to distort historical factology.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 16 October 2020 14: 58
      0
      Quote: sleeve
      Why is everything so crooked? Why is the national question so simplified? Before the Neanderthal level of interaction?

      Because children need to start raising while they are lying across the bed, and then it's too late. So we get it, and what we have ..
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  25. Whirlwind
    Whirlwind 16 October 2020 13: 56
    +5
    And the Tatars of the Kazan kingdom themselves, from which people did they seize the land near Kazan? Or did they live there forever? They are not known to us people finished, and they themselves live, they are still healthy in their own republic. BUT, as always for some grant-eaters, "it will not be enough" ...
    1. sleeve
      sleeve 17 October 2020 12: 05
      0
      There is unfortunately no one to celebrate.
  26. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 16 October 2020 13: 58
    +4
    The Tatar-Mongol yoke of kakbe hints that there is something to remember not only in Kazan ..
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 16 October 2020 15: 04
      -2
      Quote: Knell Wardenheart
      The Tatar-Mongol yoke of kakbe hints that there is something to remember not only in Kazan ..

      Do not confuse Chingizidrv with the Volga Bulgars.
  27. nonsense
    nonsense 16 October 2020 13: 59
    +3
    :) oh how ... EMNIP, about a third of Ivan the Terrible's troops during the capture of Kazan were Tatars - these Natsiks do not want to honor their memory?
  28. ALARI
    ALARI 16 October 2020 13: 59
    +2
    Everyone was so agitated, nationalism, Russophobia, but forgot one trifle - ALL judges are approved by Moscow and the President personally. What is the pop, so is the parish.
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  29. KCA
    KCA 16 October 2020 14: 08
    0
    There are lists of names of which of the Tatars fell fighting against Ivan the Terrible, and which of the Tatars who died fighting for Ivan the Terrible against the Kazan Khanate?
    1. sleeve
      sleeve 17 October 2020 13: 54
      0
      Yes, it seems there is somewhere. On the command and representative staff.
    2. sleeve
      sleeve 17 October 2020 13: 56
      0
      And of course the question was posed "exquisitely" ...
  30. mark_rod
    mark_rod 16 October 2020 14: 57
    +1
    Quite bye-bye or what? Still, the time of the Neanderthals would be remembered!
  31. Catfish
    Catfish 16 October 2020 16: 02
    +3
    The Kazan court allowed to honor the memory of the Tatars "who fell while defending the city from the troops of Ivan the Terrible"

    Well, it has begun, and soon a decree will be adopted on compensation to the descendants of the victims of "bloody Ivan" Something like how the staff pay the "unfortunate" Indians and Negroes.
    PS In the History section there is an interesting article about deportations.
  32. Asad
    Asad 16 October 2020 16: 03
    +2
    They forgot about the Kulikovo field.
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  34. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 16 October 2020 16: 48
    +2
    I can already see the day in the memory of the German defenders of Stalingrad - February 2. Or at least beat the defenders of Berlin on May 2.
    In Bulgaria, you can organize a day in memory of the Ottoman defenders of Plevna.
    Only I doubt that Erdogan will allow the day of remembrance of the defenders of Constantinople.
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  36. BAI
    BAI 16 October 2020 16: 56
    +1
    on the basis of the Constitutions of the Russian Federation and the Republic of Tajikistan

    Have the words "Chechen Republic" been removed from the Constitution of the Republic of Tatarstan? Chechens don't seem to celebrate the defense of Kazan?
  37. Adimius38
    Adimius38 16 October 2020 17: 20
    +3
    this is where the foundations of extremism and nationalism are born
  38. Growlers
    Growlers 16 October 2020 17: 21
    +2
    The nationalist STUPID is very similar and it doesn't matter where it happens in Tatarstan or in Ukraine ...
  39. ork_333
    ork_333 16 October 2020 19: 20
    0
    Considering that the Tatars were also present in the army of Ivan the Terrible, all this window dressing looks, to put it mildly, strange ...
  40. vonWolfenstein
    vonWolfenstein 16 October 2020 19: 23
    +2
    But under whose pressure was the term "Tatar-Mongol yoke" removed? If you condone, then they will have their BLM here. In vain they allowed this action. A precedent will be created. National identity, traditions, customs should not go beyond politics. Folklore, sabantuy, chak-chak. All.
  41. lvov_aleksey
    lvov_aleksey 16 October 2020 19: 59
    +2
    everything is beautiful, but what to do with how this khanate took the Chuvashes into slavery ???
    Cheboksary erected a fortress on the Volga, if only Nizhny Novgorod was not touched ...
  42. lvov_aleksey
    lvov_aleksey 16 October 2020 20: 01
    -1
    Quote: vonWolfenstein
    But under whose pressure was the term "Tatar-Mongol yoke" removed? If you condone, then they will have their BLM here. In vain they allowed this action. A precedent will be created. National identity, traditions, customs should not go beyond politics. Folklore, sabantuy, chak-chak. All.

    you don't know history at all
  43. lvov_aleksey
    lvov_aleksey 16 October 2020 20: 07
    -1
    Quote: Growlers
    The nationalist STUPID is very similar and it doesn't matter where it happens in Tatarstan or in Ukraine ...

    You, too, are young, you can immediately see, believe me, no one wants to separate, in the early 90s there was a topic in Tataria, like we have oil, and we will somehow help you with money !!!
  44. Pavlos Melas
    Pavlos Melas 16 October 2020 20: 33
    0
    The ghost of Turan haunts the area: sarcasm:
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  46. Ilgizl
    Ilgizl 16 October 2020 21: 21
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    KAZAN, October 12. / Corr. RIA Novosti Vladimir Shevchuk /. In Kazan, in the Temple of the Image of the Savior Not Made by Hands, a memorial service was held on Saturday for the soldiers who fell during the capture of the city by the troops of Ivan the Terrible in 1552, the RIA Novosti correspondent reports.
    For the second year after almost a century break, believers come to the Temple on this day to commemorate those who perished in those distant times.
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  48. ZVS
    ZVS 16 October 2020 22: 24
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    Putin's "Pechenegs" did not give a damn about his democratic and ethical curtsies.
    The Russian people need to establish a holiday, the Day of Liberation from the Tatar-Mongol yoke.
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    TOR2 16 October 2020 23: 21
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    If the gentlemen have remembered 1552, then let them remember everything. For example: how the Volga Bulgaria fought with the Mongols for eight years. And how many blooming cities have remained in ruins forever. Kazan, as it was a flourishing city, has remained to this day.