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"Let them consult with themselves": the Russian Federation comments on the ambassador's summons to the Dutch Foreign Ministry due to refusal to consult on MH17

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Russia responded to the summons of the Russian ambassador to the Netherlands to the Foreign Ministry of this country. Alexander Shulgin was summoned to the office of the kingdom's foreign policy department due to the fact that Moscow decided to refuse to participate in trilateral consultations on the MH17 case. We are talking about the ongoing investigation into the crash of the Malaysian Boeing in 2014 on the territory of Ukraine. We will remind that the prosecutor's office of the Netherlands announced three Russians and one Ukrainian citizen as the main persons involved in this case, having brought charges against them.


It is noteworthy that even before inviting Russia to a trilateral consultation (with the participation of Australia), Russia had already been designated as "the country responsible for the situation with Boeing." Having received such accusations against it, Moscow decided to refuse to participate in the consultations.

In turn, the Netherlands and Australia said they "express deep regret over Moscow's unilateral decision."
The Russian ambassador was told that "they still hope for the Russian Federation to join the trilateral format of the discussion."

Experts in Russia, commenting on the situation, note that the same Netherlands had to be sorry when they made a unilateral decision on "Russia's fault".

"Let them consult with themselves": the Russian Federation comments on the ambassador's summons to the Dutch Foreign Ministry due to refusal to consult on MH17


At the same time, the expert opinion is also that such a decision of Russia was one of the responses to the next sanctions imposed by the EU against Russia. Let us remind that FSB director Alexander Bortnikov also fell under the sanctions "for poisoning Navalny". This actually testifies to the fact that the European Union is refusing from full-scale cooperation in the field of security. Apparently, the European Union decided that they were no longer interested in exchanging data with Russia in the framework of anti-terrorist countermeasures.

If in the case of MH17 Russia is going to sit at the table exclusively as an accused, then in this case the collective West should be left alone with itself ...

Let them consult with themselves. The perpetrators were already appointed long ago - before the investigation began.


It should be noted that earlier Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov noted that it would be impossible to speak with Russia in such a tone.
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  1. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 16 October 2020 09: 27 New
    31
    Strange desire. To consult with the party declared guilty ... it's like - you need to "cooperate with the investigation" ...? But we won't. Seek, seek ... investigators. More thoroughly.
    1. Livonetc
      Livonetc 16 October 2020 09: 30 New
      27
      In fact, there are many similar moments.
      They can be united under the outstanding slogan of all time.
      Hiley Likely.
      1. Grandfather
        Grandfather 16 October 2020 09: 32 New
        +5
        "Let them consult with themselves"
        and seven years have not passed since it reached ours ...
        1. hrych
          hrych 16 October 2020 09: 44 New
          31
          Quote: Dead Day
          and seven years have not passed since it reached ours ...

          And what were these seven years? That's right, the main phase of the rearmament of the Russian Federation (one hundred Yars, half a hundred Bulavs, S-400, Su34 / 35, Iskander, Bastion and Calibers), as well as promising hypersonic and new principles, are completing tests, as are intercontinental torpedoes and cruise missiles. Some of them are piece, they just go to the troops (Dagger, Peresvet, Vanguard). Depending on the degree of rearmament, the defense grows stronger, and the position of the Foreign Ministry also grows stronger.
          1. Grandfather
            Grandfather 16 October 2020 10: 25 New
            -34
            Quote: hrych
            And what were these seven years? That's right, the main phase of the rearmament of the Russian Federation (

            how does THIS relate to MH-17? if only "hurray" to write? write more about milk yield! wassat
            1. hrych
              hrych 16 October 2020 10: 34 New
              35
              This is connected with the position of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, but it is also connected with milk yield, even though you tried to be funny here. Russia has achieved food security, got rid of dependence on Western food supplies. Now our agriculture, from self-defense, went into an export attack and brought in $ 20 billion a year to the treasury. Is it not enough? For gas, we gain in the region of 50 billion a year. Therefore, old school age grandfather, it's time for lessons wassat
              1. Grandfather
                Grandfather 16 October 2020 10: 36 New
                -27
                Quote: hrych
                This is connected with the position of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, but it is also connected with milk yield, even though you tried to be funny here. Russia has achieved food security, got rid of dependence on Western food supplies. Now our agriculture, from self-defense, went into an export attack and brought in $ 20 billion a year to the treasury. Is it not enough? For gas, we gain in the region of 50 billion a year. Therefore, old school age grandfather, it's time for lessons wassat

                the question about the MH-17 is the same, what does YOUR flood have to do with it?
                1. hrych
                  hrych 16 October 2020 10: 38 New
                  12
                  Flood is to write, they say, less than seven years have passed, when during this period Russia annexed Crimea and seized the Syrian shelf.
                  Quote: Dead Day
                  and seven years have not passed since it reached ours ...
                  1. Grandfather
                    Grandfather 16 October 2020 10: 43 New
                    -16
                    Quote: hrych
                    Flood is to write, they say, less than seven years have passed, when during this period Russia annexed Crimea and seized the Syrian shelf.

                    for the visually impaired: I wrote about the MH-17 on the topic of the article:
                    "Let them consult with themselves": the Russian Federation comments on the ambassador's summons to the Dutch Foreign Ministry due to refusal to consult on MH17
                    and here you are, you began to carry some kind of propaganda nonsense, far from the topic. this is FLOOD.
                    1. hrych
                      hrych 16 October 2020 11: 27 New
                      16
                      Quote: Dead Day
                      I wrote about MH-17 on the topic of the article

                      Great comment, I admit. wassat But the topic, for your information, also concerns the position of the Foreign Ministry, which I commented on. Or not? You didn’t like this, so I started winding up here. Unjustified criticism of the best Foreign Ministry during the existence of the Russian Federation is so-and-so.
                      1. military_cat
                        military_cat 16 October 2020 20: 08 New
                        -9
                        Quote: hrych
                        And what were these seven years? That's right, the main phase of the rearmament of the Russian Federation (one hundred Yars, half a hundred Bulavs, S-400, Su34 / 35, Iskander, Bastion and Calibers), as well as promising hypersonic and new principles, are completing tests, as are intercontinental torpedoes and cruise missiles. Some of them are piece, they just go to the troops (Dagger, Peresvet, Vanguard). Depending on the degree of rearmament, the defense grows stronger, and the position of the Foreign Ministry also grows stronger.
                        Judging by the ongoing attacks of the "partners", all of the above affects them in almost no way. And judging by the vague official replies from the Foreign Ministry, all of the above influences his behavior in almost no way either. And to top it all - in the news, where a decent reaction from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs is expected, but there is none, the standard wording of the excuse sounds like: "What can they do? Should they declare war?"
                      2. hrych
                        hrych 16 October 2020 20: 14 New
                        +5
                        Well, they politely sent them with the plane.
                      3. military_cat
                        military_cat 16 October 2020 20: 22 New
                        -9
                        "Sent politely" to Malaysia in 2015 with their draft international tribunal when they vetoed it in the UN Security Council. Five years ago yet. And what is happening now looks to the world about what the behavior of Efremov looked like for us under investigation.
                      4. hrych
                        hrych 16 October 2020 20: 26 New
                        +6
                        Well, Crimea is ours, Donbass receives passports, but the Caucasian ridge is ours and the Syrian coast is ours, and everything else is chatter laughing
                      5. poquello
                        poquello 16 October 2020 21: 52 New
                        +7
                        Quote: military_cat
                        And what is happening now looks to the world about what the behavior of Efremov looked like for us under investigation.

                        Indeed, here are the Russian bastards, right now we must stop supplying them with Dutch flowers, until they themselves have thought of imposing a ban on import)))))))))))))
                      6. anykin
                        anykin 16 October 2020 23: 38 New
                        +7
                        Quote: military_cat
                        And what is happening now looks to the world about what the behavior of Efremov looked like for us under investigation.

                        Yes, the European investigators look exactly like that, desperately covering their butts.
                      7. military_cat
                        military_cat 17 October 2020 06: 46 New
                        -13
                        Yes, Efremov also had a support group that told everyone that this investigation against Efremov was desperately covering its backside.
                      8. Catsoi
                        Catsoi 17 October 2020 19: 24 New
                        -1
                        Did you by any chance call the Russian army and navy a support group?
              2. Mikhail Tynda
                Mikhail Tynda 17 October 2020 17: 27 New
                -3
                Are you a candidate for the post of Foreign Ministry? Or trained? Diplomat? Or from a party who knows how best to give birth?
              3. hrych
                hrych 18 October 2020 05: 42 New
                +2
                Quote: Mikhail Tynda
                Or from a party who knows how best to give birth?

                Are you one of these? Nulliparous? wassat
              4. Okolotochny
                Okolotochny 20 October 2020 12: 42 New
                0
                He did not answer you, but a paramilitary cat, look at the arrow.
              5. hrych
                hrych 20 October 2020 20: 54 New
                -1
                Quote: Okolotochny
                He did not answer you, but a paramilitary cat, look at the arrow.

                For me laughing
  • ioan-e
    ioan-e 16 October 2020 11: 16 New
    +5
    Quote: Dead Day

    the question about the MH-17 is the same, what does YOUR flood have to do with it?

    Like a schoolboy, two plus two for him to chew laughing
  • Zefr
    Zefr 16 October 2020 21: 27 New
    -4
    Hrych: agriculture ... brought in $ 20 billion a year to the treasury

    This is how it is? Wheat sold 14,5 million tons, with a price on the exchange of $ 250 per ton, this is $ 3,7 billion. This is generally the full cost. How much it went to the treasury, I have no idea, Well, let's say how the VAT could not go, VAT is returned. What's in the treasury, can you tell me?
    In 1986, the volume of exports was 68,4 billion rubles. How are you going to cover such a volume with wheat? Despite the fact that now fertilizers, chemistry. tractors, seeds - all bought for currency. The balance is interesting, so to speak - has something been added to the treasury, or not?
    Shame, agricultural province, what to be proud of?
    1. poquello
      poquello 16 October 2020 21: 59 New
      +4
      Quote: Zefr
      This is how it is?

      ) and so it happened, sorry))))))))))))))))
      MOSCOW, October 15. / TASS /. The volume of agricultural exports from Russia for 9 months of 2020 increased by almost 14% compared to the same period in 2019 and amounted to about $ 20 billion, the press service of Russian Deputy Prime Minister Victoria Abramchenko reported.
      1. alekSASHKA-36
        alekSASHKA-36 17 October 2020 11: 06 New
        -2
        Well, they have learned to communicate and declare!
    2. vVvAD
      vVvAD 17 October 2020 15: 27 New
      +3
      Zefr, do you think that we export only wheat from agricultural products or are you just juggling facts?
      Quote: Zefr
      In 1986, the export volume was 68,4 billion rubles.
      And only agricultural exports and gas we gain 70 billion.
      Quote: hrych
      Now our agriculture from self-defense defense, went into an export attack and brought to the treasury $ 20 billion a year. Is it not enough? For gas, we gain in the region of 50 billion a year. Therefore, old school age old man, it's time for the lessons wassat

      And this despite the fact that Russia is not at all the USSR in terms of territory and population.
      So keep your hints to yourself.
    3. Mikhail Tynda
      Mikhail Tynda 17 October 2020 17: 33 New
      0
      I do not understand. Agricultural exports are not only wheat. Pulses, fruits (imagine), etc. What are you dissatisfied with? Fertilizers are ours. Agricultural machinery is usually the same.
  • blackice
    blackice 18 October 2020 03: 56 New
    +1
    And how many lards of "greenery" would return to their homeland if "independent guardians of the state" closed their accounts over the hill and opened accounts in Russian banks?
  • anykin
    anykin 16 October 2020 23: 33 New
    0
    Quote: Dead Day
    if only "hurray" to write? write more about milk yield!

    Quote: Dead Day
    and seven years have not passed since it reached ours ...

    Ours understood everything right away (watch TV). And you just don't write "hurray".
  • venik
    venik 16 October 2020 12: 27 New
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    Quote: hrych
    Depending on the degree of rearmament, the defense grows stronger, and the position of the Foreign Ministry also grows stronger.

    =======
    All this is undoubtedly true, but it seems to me that the toughening of the Foreign Ministry's position is also due to the unprecedentedly increased pressure of the "West" on Russia. If earlier the Ministry of Foreign Affairs was “diplomatic” (as it should be) like “Guys, let's live peacefully!”, Now (since “they” don't get this rhetoric) the tone has changed: “Don't like it? .. "forest"! Once again ... forest and into the ravine !!! ". If you do not want "good" - it will be "bad"! And in general: "We had you all .... in view of!".
    1. hrych
      hrych 16 October 2020 12: 40 New
      +2
      So sanctions are an economic war. And after all, since the time of the Crimea and their imposition, it is possible to sum up the results. Have you brought us to our knees? No. Were we damaged? Certainly. But food safety was provided. And what is the output? Their manufacturer suffered direct losses, and also lost the market ... forever. But the fact that our agricultural export has earned 20 lard, someone else missed it. They have nothing to replace strategic supplies of raw materials without huge losses, so we have come to the point that they have no method against Kostya Saprykin wassat Lavrov and became insolent wassat
      1. venik
        venik 16 October 2020 18: 21 New
        +5
        Quote: hrych
        So sanctions are an economic war. And after all, since the times of the Crimea and their imposition, it is possible to sum up the results.

        ========
        And they and sad ](the inability to purchase the most advanced devices and technologies abroad) essentially slowed down the rate of development of the Russian Federation ... joyful: The inability to buy the most advanced devices and technologies abroad - made us remember (finally!) About own scientific, technical and technological potential! By the way - and about Agriculture - too! (A funny example - I will give it in a "personal") request
        1. SSR
          SSR 16 October 2020 19: 06 New
          +6
          Quote: venik
          And they are sad] (the inability to buy the most advanced devices and technologies abroad) significantly slowed down the pace of development of the Russian Federation .....

          In one place, they slowed down, but in another place, a leap began, they bought explosion-proof penetrations in Switzerland and now we are doing our own in Perm, spring isolation has borne fruit, enterprises that have withdrawn capacities in Southeast Asia, after quarantine, began to hastily transport machines to Russia ... going on. Western "partners" who created SSJ100 with us and then overturned them from the RFP are now also actively being replaced.
          1. venik
            venik 16 October 2020 19: 17 New
            +3
            Quote: SSR
            In one place they slowed down, but in another place there was a leap, they bought explosion-proof penetrations in Switzerland and now we are making our own in Perm

            ======
            Well, what can you do? Well, this is how WE are arranged: until the "roast cock" in the well ... (sorry! - in the "seat") does not bite! ".....
            In general, it’s offensive! Well, what prevented the head from thinking before?
            1. SSR
              SSR 16 October 2020 23: 04 New
              +5
              Quote: venik
              Well, what can you do? Well, this is how WE are arranged: until the "roast cock" in the well ... (sorry! - in the "seat") does not bite! ".....

              In general, we are an eternal experiment, when in the West there was capitalism, we already had socialism, when in the West there was globalism and a part of socialism, we cognized capitalism with an affinity.
    2. Vladimir Mashkov
      Vladimir Mashkov 16 October 2020 17: 19 New
      +6
      I totally agree with you! Yes, the West has always, even the most microscopic insect countries that can be seen on a map only through a strong magnifying glass, treated Russia with disdain and condescension. But lately all of them have simply "suffered" from attacks of VICIOUS groundless and unsubstantiated Russophobia !!! And it is VERY correct that the Russian authorities and the Foreign Ministry are changing their tone from Leopold's "Guys! Let's live together!" to the tone of the DIGNITY of a country that knows its own worth. Although the mongrel countries of the State Department continue to fiercely attack Russia.
      As for these "consultations" as a defendant ... No words! But the "big gentlemen" of a huge country do not calm down, they summon the Russian ambassador to the carpet. No, IT’s just not forgiving! Russia should NOT forgive such rudeness!
  • Boris ⁣ Shaver
    Boris ⁣ Shaver 17 October 2020 14: 05 New
    0
    Quote: hrych
    the position of the Foreign Ministry is growing

    It is visible to the naked eye.
    The states of our diplomats were kicked out of the consulate into the street, their real estate was taken over.
    The Turks killed one ambassador, the other is threatened with violence on any occasion.
    The Czechs are demolishing our monuments, but they poke at our diplomatic corps - don't you dare, they say, poke your nose. Moreover, we are afraid to demolish the monument to their animals, who have frolicked enough on our land, robbed it and killed many of our people.
    Our citizens are seized all over the world and handed over to the United States - we cannot do anything.
    An Israeli citizen was caught with us for smuggling drugs - she was given away, as dear ones.
    And so on and so forth.
    How much further to get stronger then?
    1. hrych
      hrych 17 October 2020 15: 34 New
      +4
      Well, compare Lavrov with Kozyrev for example. The assassination of the ambassador by the Gulenists after the thwarted coup of the Gulenists ... Your suggestions? On their occasion to go and do what they wanted to achieve? And our citizens have nothing to walk around the cordon. Only the infection is imported by lousy reptiles. Let them be grabbed and beaten there, and then add. Monuments? It is through the hair of the severed head to grieve. When the Bolsheviks shamefully surrendered the countries conquered with blood. Putin pardoned Issachar in exchange for the transfer to Russia of the Alexander Compound in Jerusalem - an archaeological and architectural complex with unique Orthodox shrines, which is located just 70 meters from the Church of the Holy Sepulcher. The Israeli woman herself is not an ordinary drug addict, as it seems and apparently was an agent, she went to India on some missions. Therefore, undercover, secret agreements are associated with it.
      1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
        Boris ⁣ Shaver 17 October 2020 17: 09 New
        -5
        Quote: hrych
        Your suggestions?

        If someone other than the lousy guard answered, I might have several suggestions. However, the situation turned out the way it did. And here there is no place for many assumptions - there can be only one conclusion.

        Quote: hrych
        Go on their occasion

        Do you think the expression of concern is sufficient "resistance" to someone "about"? Well then we are not going in anybody's cause)))))

        Quote: hrych
        It is through the hair of the severed head to grieve

        If the monuments were not worth anything, they would not have been erected.

        Quote: hrych
        our citizens have nothing to walk around the cordon

        You tell your wife your opinion - let her rummage around where you allow. And we - we will go where we deem it necessary, while, of course, without asking you. And if at the same time the state is not able to guarantee us protection (we are not talking about hot spots, natural disaster zones, etc.), then this is a weak, defenseless, not respected state by anyone. And this is the bitter truth.

        Quote: hrych
        Putin pardoned Issachar in exchange for a transfer

        I am aware that our law can be circumvented by "handing over" what is needed to whoever needs it. And I do not approve of this at all.
        1. hrych
          hrych 17 October 2020 19: 13 New
          +2
          Not me, but the coronavirus will put an end to those who like to drive around. This is how the Russian Federation wages war from the economic blockade, periodically turns into an exchange of blows, there for the Caucasus, for the Crimea, for the Donbass, for Syria, for Libya, for Venezuela, for the CAR and RB. Where lands change jurisdiction, where it is limited to the work of the MTR. And of course the special services are playing. And some goofs don't even know about it. They are going to relax in a cheaper way ... to the Islamists. Then they are surprised that the plane was blown up, that they would find urine in vodka, etc. I'm still not allowed to travel abroad, it's easier for me wassat But then save your brother, send the board of the Ministry of Emergency Situations, strain the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, arrange Casus Belli, etc. They brought the infection into the country ... well done.
          1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
            Boris ⁣ Shaver 17 October 2020 19: 58 New
            -4
            Quote: hrych
            coronavirus will put an end to lovers to drive

            Do you assert that now no one "drives around" and that no one else will ever "drive around"? So you're lying out of the blue. What for? Just what to write? So this is stupid.
          2. Boris ⁣ Shaver
            Boris ⁣ Shaver 17 October 2020 20: 12 New
            -1
            Quote: hrych
            This is how the Russian Federation wages war

            When you are waging a war, you cannot send your children to live with the enemy, and you don’t keep your money in his bank.
            Okay, the money of officials and deputies, but we even have our strategic resource (NWF) "invested" over the hill, moreover, projects in which no one in a sober mind would have invested state money in terms of risk and liquidity is unacceptable (this is openly stated ). And our largest taxpayers get out of the control of the state and are transferred under the control of the "investors" of our enemy (as you say).
            If we had a war, then everything I described is very similar to a sickly indemnity paid by the surrendering side.
            And at the expense of children, remember, in the old days our tsars also took the children of the rulers of the defeated peoples "to the court". Like hostages.
  • Observer2014
    Observer2014 16 October 2020 09: 45 New
    -11
    Quote: Dead Day
    "Let them consult with themselves"
    and seven years have not passed since it reached ours ...

    Nobody got it. And who will go to Europe on business trips ?! On PACE there are different meetings? To participate in the OPCW? And so on and so on. These are our points of contact! lol Better than them, I always liked the performances of various dyed types of smart girls after world sports competitions held in Russia, who with a smart look talk about how to improve the image in the World of Russia laughing And we still need to do something so very expensive. wassat
    1. Deck
      Deck 16 October 2020 09: 55 New
      +1
      Better than them, I always liked the performances of various dyed types of smart girls after world sports competitions held in Russia, who with a smart look talk about how to improve the image in the World of Russia


      Only residents of a neighboring country who teach Russians how to live are cooler than painted girls laughing
    2. BDRM 667
      BDRM 667 16 October 2020 10: 08 New
      -12
      Quote: Observer2014
      .And who will go to Europe on business trips ?! On PACE there are different meetings? To participate in the OPCW? And so on and so on.


      What's this ? ? ? "New Meehan"," in a marshal's body kit "? belay

      The same meaningfully blunt comment "with a claim to originality" as a famous character ...
      1. forty-eighth
        forty-eighth 16 October 2020 11: 08 New
        +4
        Meehan is unmistakably identified by markers such as "hysterical liberals," "specialists keep working," and "hehe." In the absence of such markers in the branch (some of Meehan's comments may not contain markers, but due to the extreme fertility of the character, he leaves much more comments in his favorite branch, some of which correspond to the description), it can be argued with a high degree of probability that this is not another reincarnation Meehan.
        1. Paranoid50
          Paranoid50 16 October 2020 12: 08 New
          +2
          Quote: forty-eighth
          Meehan is unmistakably identified by markers such as "hysterical liberals," "specialists keep working," and "hehe."

          And: "They are killing ours, men "," Such is the case in the tank troops "," You won't shoot everyone, Aaron! " laughing
    3. poquello
      poquello 16 October 2020 22: 16 New
      +3
      Quote: Observer2014
      performances of various dyed types of smart girls after sports world competitions in Russia conducted. Who sagely talk about how the image in the World of Russia needs to be improved laughing And you need to do something so very expensive.

      I wonder how you write this, 2 million fans came to the championship, probably a third from the bourgeoisie, where they were told in the "free" bourgeois press a complete crap about Russia, they felt the difference
  • vVvAD
    vVvAD 17 October 2020 15: 12 New
    +2
    Atlantists are like this: they will use cheating methods even when everything is clear to everyone - first, pretending that nothing is happening, then - that it should be so.
    Until they give you a hand. Actually, this is the point.
  • Alexander Maltsev
    Alexander Maltsev 17 October 2020 20: 50 New
    -1
    We are so naive that all these years we believed in justice.
  • Temples
    Temples 16 October 2020 09: 34 New
    19
    Russian Foreign Ministry Sergei Lavrov noted that it will not work to speak with Russia in such a tone.


    Lavrov recently uttered a phrase that diplomatically replaces the message of the interlocutor.

    "That's all. We went to dinner." good

    The Dutch can be shown a cartoon about Munchausen.
    - Do not you see ?, we eat. laughing
    1. Shuttle
      Shuttle 16 October 2020 10: 04 New
      +9
      Quote: Temples
      Russian Foreign Ministry Sergei Lavrov noted that it will not work to speak with Russia in such a tone.


      Lavrov recently uttered a phrase that diplomatically replaces the message of the interlocutor.

      "That's all. We went to dinner." good

      The Dutch can be shown a cartoon about Munchausen.
      - Do not you see ?, we eat. laughing

      Urbi and orbi

      When the Russian Tsar is fishing, Europe can wait.
      1. Stasi
        Stasi 16 October 2020 10: 15 New
        +7
        Quote: Shuttle
        When the Russian Tsar is fishing, Europe can wait.

        There were times yes But are these words about today?
        1. Shuttle
          Shuttle 16 October 2020 10: 23 New
          -1
          Quote: Stasi
          There were times yes But are these words about today?

          Those times, too, once began. Times tend to return.
          The essence of what Lavrov said is that the government of the Russian Federation openly declares a Dutch person that at least it does not need such a Dutch recognition.
          Previously, as it were, they needed it, but now you sew.
          1. poquello
            poquello 16 October 2020 22: 21 New
            0
            Quote: Shuttle
            and now you sew.

            shish is not a mouse
      2. Reviews
        Reviews 16 October 2020 13: 13 New
        -9
        Quote: Shuttle

        Urbi and orbi

        When the Russian Tsar is fishing, Europe can wait.

        This is the scum that prepared the shame of the Russo-Japanese War, because of which the authority of Ingushetia fell below the plinth?
        1. poquello
          poquello 16 October 2020 22: 25 New
          -1
          Quote: Avis
          This is the scum that prepared the shame of the Russo-Japanese War, because of which the authority of Ingushetia fell below the plinth?

          it's time to stop carrying communist tales, the shame of the Russian-Japanese war was prepared by Finnish radicals with Japanese money with the participation of other revolutionaries
          1. Reviews
            Reviews 17 October 2020 07: 23 New
            -3
            Quote: poquello
            Quote: Avis
            This is the scum that prepared the shame of the Russo-Japanese War, because of which the authority of Ingushetia fell below the plinth?

            it's time to stop carrying communist tales, the shame of the Russian-Japanese war was prepared by Finnish radicals with Japanese money with the participation of other revolutionaries

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5fLjI3JvUk
          2. ZAV69
            ZAV69 20 October 2020 11: 41 New
            0
            Not Japanese, but English. In general, it would not hurt to read the Tsushima forum. There you will read about the real culprits.
            1. poquello
              poquello 20 October 2020 17: 52 New
              0
              Quote: ZAV69
              Not Japanese, but English.

              Quote: ZAV69
              In general, it would not hurt to read the Tsushima forum

              and the influence of the forum is felt)))))))))))))
              maybe something like "Japanese gold for the Russian revolt", or Inaba Chiharu and so on?
        2. Kapany3
          Kapany3 17 October 2020 18: 33 New
          -1
          Quote: Avis
          Quote: Shuttle

          Urbi and orbi

          When the Russian Tsar is fishing, Europe can wait.

          This is the scum that prepared the shame of the Russo-Japanese War, because of which the authority of Ingushetia fell below the plinth?

          And what kind of scum wrote this?
        3. ZAV69
          ZAV69 20 October 2020 11: 42 New
          0
          Actually, the author of this quote is definitely not Nikolai II.
    2. Sandro1977
      Sandro1977 16 October 2020 10: 43 New
      +5
      By the way, why don't the Dutch make claims to the airline that sent the plane on the flight and laid the route over the territory where the fighting is taking place ???
      1. DymOk_v_dYmke
        DymOk_v_dYmke 16 October 2020 11: 31 New
        0
        Quote: Sandro1977
        By the way, why don't the Dutch make claims to the airline that sent the plane on the flight and laid the route over the territory where the fighting is taking place ???

        The aircraft is being led along the route by the company not sending it, but by ground dispatchers, who in this case "disappeared without a trace" after the incident. hi
        1. Sandro1977
          Sandro1977 16 October 2020 13: 41 New
          +2
          Not quite so, after this incident Lufthansa, Aeroflot and some others temporarily moved their routes in general to overflight Ukraine ... Those airline could and should have done this in advance
          1. poquello
            poquello 16 October 2020 22: 30 New
            +2
            Quote: Sandro1977
            Not quite so, after this incident Lufthansa, Aeroflot and some others temporarily moved their routes in general to overflight Ukraine ... Those airline could and should have done this in advance

            dill did not close the sky of Ukraine, they are still not adequate - they continue to carry about the ukrop sky over the Crimea
        2. Reviews
          Reviews 17 October 2020 18: 46 New
          +1
          Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke
          Quote: Sandro1977
          By the way, why don't the Dutch make claims to the airline that sent the plane on the flight and laid the route over the territory where the fighting is taking place ???

          The aircraft is being led along the route by the company not sending it, but by ground dispatchers, who in this case "disappeared without a trace" after the incident. hi

          Not certainly in that way. The carrier has the right to request any route of its choice. If they were afraid of an air defense missile system strike, then no one bothered to declare a flight plan bypassing. But who could have guessed that Ukraine would continue the cunning tradition of shooting down civilian aircraft ...
  • 210ox
    210ox 16 October 2020 10: 58 New
    -1
    Yes, and so that no one would be offended, a new iron curtain is needed. And let them be there by themselves ... What kind of sex drama it will be ...
    1. Doliva63
      Doliva63 16 October 2020 16: 20 New
      0
      Quote: 210ox
      Yes, and so that no one would be offended, a new iron curtain is needed. And let them be there by themselves ... What kind of sex drama it will be ...

      Cool! They demolished the Union to bring back the "Iron Curtain"? laughing
    2. poquello
      poquello 16 October 2020 22: 34 New
      0
      Quote: 210ox
      Yes, and so that no one would be offended, a new iron curtain is needed. And let them be there by themselves ... What kind of sex drama it will be ...

      What for?
  • Pravodel
    Pravodel 16 October 2020 10: 23 New
    +3
    Strange desire. Consult with the party declared guilty ... it's like

    The wolf negotiates with the sheep so that she finally comes to the right place. And the lamb thinks for a long time, and finally understands why the wolf is inviting her ..
  • svp67
    svp67 16 October 2020 11: 45 New
    0
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    Strange desire.

    From their side, everything is logical. Our actions are not entirely clear
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    To consult with the party declared guilty ... it's like - you need to "cooperate with the investigation" ...?

    There, from time to time that side raised the issue of RESPONSIBILITY, including material, to the relatives of the victims of the catastrophe from Russia, that is why they gathered these "commissions"
    1. poquello
      poquello 16 October 2020 22: 44 New
      0
      Quote: svp67
      There, from time to time that side raised the issue of RESPONSIBILITY, including material, to the relatives of the victims of the catastrophe from Russia, that is why they gathered these "commissions"

      and what? let them not whistle - there will be no money, just as there is no responsibility for Russia
      1. svp67
        svp67 17 October 2020 06: 47 New
        0
        Quote: poquello
        and what?

        Yes, nothing ... I did not understand the meaning of such "consultations" from the very beginning
  • Johann Klassen
    Johann Klassen 17 October 2020 16: 45 New
    0
    The European invaders are arranging a "trial" over the "Successor of the Russian Empire and the USSR-Russian Federation.
    Areas of responsibility have already been established and territories have been declared on which areas have been "staked out" on which NATO's "military facilities" will be located.
    Something "similar" was shown recently on a German television channel.
    Yes, to return back to the time when the Soviet Army, by the right of the "Winner in the Great Patriotic War," was legally in Eastern Europe.
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 16 October 2020 09: 27 New
    16
    Let them consult with themselves
    This is correct. They have already taken it as a norm to present unsubstantiated accusations to Russia on various occasions, the presumption of innocence has been replaced by the presumption of guilt, while talking through the lips and condescendingly. It is also necessary to think about the presence of Russia in the PACE, the OPCW organizations, which have turned into an instrument of flagellation of our country.
    1. Pete mitchell
      Pete mitchell 16 October 2020 09: 35 New
      16
      Quote: rotmistr60
      .. at the same time they speak through the lip and downward. It is also necessary to think about the presence of Russia in the PACE, the OPCW organizations that have turned into an instrument of flagellation of our country.

      First of all, stop funding any such structures: let their slaves rip off ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 16 October 2020 09: 41 New
        +8
        The OPCW keeps its nose to the wind and sho smells from our side !!! so sho they had with a shock and they kicked out of the case nnavalnenka to the maximum! So sho it is useless to refer to them, navalnyats and their patrons ... although they can even smear this on a plate and guess anything.
        1. Pete mitchell
          Pete mitchell 16 October 2020 09: 50 New
          +3
          Quote: rocket757
          ... although, they can even smear this on a plate and guess anything.

          It is difficult to disagree with those who say that the world war is already going on in the infospace: any information can be presented in different ways. Especially considering the fact that many have problems with comprehending everything that is more than two lines ...
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 16 October 2020 10: 35 New
            +1
            Quote: Pete Mitchell
            the war is already going on in info-space:

            This is yes! Unfortunately, the experience of our "partners" in Bole, and the resources they threw into this business are not measured !!! True, sooner or later it will break through, but ... it's hard, and one shouldn't expect any quick changes.
            1. Pete mitchell
              Pete mitchell 16 October 2020 10: 57 New
              +2
              Academician Kulikov says that they have the resources for this and know how to play long.
              Quote: rocket757
              True, sooner or later it will break through, but ... it's hard, and one shouldn't expect any quick changes.

              To defend our own territory, and then we will figure it out
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 16 October 2020 11: 44 New
                +1
                Well yes. Allowing all sorts of holy fools to "run wild" is absolutely stupid and dangerous.
        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 16 October 2020 09: 55 New
          +3
          Quote: rocket757
          The OPCW keeps its nose to the wind and sho smells from our side !!

          Uh-huh! Dichlorvos smelled.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 16 October 2020 10: 33 New
            0
            It is unlikely that DICHLOPHOS will clear the brains and the sense of self-preservation will become aggravated ... maybe NASHATYR, a proven thing, clears the brains at once and brings to life immediately.
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 16 October 2020 10: 36 New
              0
              Quote: rocket757
              It is unlikely that the brains will be cleared of DICHLOPHOS and the sense of self-preservation will intensify ... maybe NASHATYR

              The ammonia picks up less than dichlorvos. My neighbor took beer with dichlorvos, took it for a week. True, he overdid it a little, passed away several years ago.
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 16 October 2020 10: 40 New
                +1
                OPCW guys should be accustomed to all kinds of mixes, their work is so ... and the current is so direct, armor-piercing, it can clear the brains ... with ammonia, they brought those who had eaten to their senses ..... 5 drops in a glass of water! further process is known, relief.
    2. AlexVas44
      AlexVas44 16 October 2020 09: 40 New
      +7
      Quote: rotmistr60
      It is also necessary to think about the presence of Russia in the PACE, the OPCW organizations, which have turned into an instrument of flagellation of our country.

      And at the same time for the money of Russia.
  • Victorio
    Victorio 16 October 2020 09: 27 New
    +6
    It should be noted that earlier Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov noted that it would be impossible to speak with Russia in such a tone.
    ===
    / Latvia expelled the Russian and the chairman of the Latvian Republican Society of Military Veterans Vladimir Norvind to the Russian Federation. The reason was the dissatisfaction of the authorities with the activity of the former Russian military, who helped the needy and the lonely.
    Retired Colonel Norvind was detained on October 9 by local security forces and taken to the detention center for illegal migrants in the village of Mucenieke. Then he was forcibly exiled from Latvia to Russia. /
    still, in this case, Lavrov and the Foreign Ministry did something and duly answered.
    1. Volodin
      Volodin 16 October 2020 09: 33 New
      10
      Quote: Victorio
      still, in this case, Lavrov and the Foreign Ministry did something and duly answered.

      Here they did without Lavrov - Father was enough, who redirects cargo from the Baltic ports to Ust-Luga. At this rate, all adequate people will soon disperse from Latvia without "expulsion"
      1. Avior
        Avior 16 October 2020 09: 46 New
        -5
        Already redirected?
        They somehow stopped writing about this ...
        1. Pete mitchell
          Pete mitchell 16 October 2020 09: 54 New
          +4
          Quote: Avior
          Already redirected? They somehow stopped writing about this ...

          I don’t know whether this process has finished or not, but the port of Riga is frankly “bored” by servicing 2-3 ships a week; before there was a queue at the raid. The capitalists are groaning - there are no prospects in sight, there is no arguing against geography. Well, they lure port specialists, for very interesting ...
          1. Avior
            Avior 16 October 2020 12: 16 New
            +1
            The port of Riga is located in Latvia, and Lukashenka threatened to reroute cargo from Klaipeda, which is loaded with Belarusian shipments, and which is in Lithuania.
            And I didn’t hear Lukashenka fulfilling his threat, so I’m asking. In the press, this was somehow silenced.
            He is still a friend, he is quite capable of saying and not doing
            1. Pete mitchell
              Pete mitchell 16 October 2020 12: 45 New
              0
              Quote: Avior
              He is still a friend, he is quite capable of saying and not doing
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 16 October 2020 09: 57 New
      +1
      Quote: Victorio
      Then he was forcibly exiled from Latvia to Russia. /
      still, in this case, Lavrov and the Foreign Ministry did something and duly answered.

      It is necessary to mirror the actions of Latvia (Lavrov himself said).
      1. Victorio
        Victorio 16 October 2020 10: 35 New
        +1
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Quote: Victorio
        Then he was forcibly exiled from Latvia to Russia. /
        still, in this case, Lavrov and the Foreign Ministry did something and duly answered.

        It is necessary to mirror the actions of Latvia (himself Lavrov spoke).

        ===
        I would, indicatively, take some more or less well-known citizen of latvia in russia by the arms, and take them to the border. I imagine the hype: how, for what, infringement and violation and so on, so on!
        1. Pete mitchell
          Pete mitchell 16 October 2020 11: 00 New
          +1
          And you are evil wink laughing
          Quote: Victorio
          so, indicatively, I would have taken some more or less well-known citizen of latvia in russia by the arms and taken to the border. I imagine the hype: how, for what, infringement and violation and so on, so on!
          You still offer to send their managers, of whom there are many working in the Russian Federation and at the house? You want to deprive them of their income budget ...
          1. Victorio
            Victorio 16 October 2020 11: 13 New
            +1
            Quote: Pete Mitchell
            You still offer to send their managers, of whom there are many working in the Russian Federation and at the house? You want to deprive them of their income budget ...

            ===
            just like that, because nothing can be done. impunity encourages the continuation of such
            1. Pete mitchell
              Pete mitchell 16 October 2020 11: 25 New
              +1
              Quote: Victorio
              impunity encourages the continuation of such

              By and large, this is correct: I sat down at the table of green cloth with sharpies - keep the candelabrum close at hand and do not be shy ...
        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 16 October 2020 12: 05 New
          +1
          Quote: Victorio
          I would have taken some more or less well-known citizen of latvia in russia by the hand and drove it to the border. I imagine the hype: how, for what, infringement and violation and so on, so on!

          Yes, let them squeal, in Russia they are accustomed to this, as to the "white noise" of the ticking of a walking clock.
  • aszzz888
    aszzz888 16 October 2020 09: 33 New
    +1
    Experts in Russia, commenting on the situation, note that the same Netherlands had to be sorry when they made a unilateral decision on "Russia's fault".
    And there is nothing special to add to this.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 16 October 2020 09: 37 New
    +2
    Alexander Shulgin was summoned to the office of the Foreign Ministry of the Kingdom due to the fact that

    Send their ambassador home for consultations and all business.
  • Alex66
    Alex66 16 October 2020 09: 39 New
    +1
    Has Europe hurt the pride of our government? I hope the authorities will withdraw their capital and families from Europe in response.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 16 October 2020 10: 03 New
      +1
      Quote: Alex66
      Has Europe hurt the pride of our government? I hope the authorities will withdraw their capital and families from Europe in response.

      You shouldn't hope. The EU countries allow everyone who has a residence permit or a student visa, but: tourists from Russia are NOT ENTRY. Exception - Greece and Great Britain ... I think your doubts have been dispelled.
  • Sayan
    Sayan 16 October 2020 09: 42 New
    +3
    Yes, yes, a rotten "newbie" to help them)))
  • svoit
    svoit 16 October 2020 09: 53 New
    0
    Quite a strange article, in the spirit of psychological warfare, officially there are only suspected physical. Persons who get rid of it easily, dumping everything on an accident.
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 16 October 2020 09: 54 New
    +3
    It is noteworthy that even before inviting Russia to a trilateral consultation (with the participation of Australia)
    And also with the participation of Guinea Papua and the Republic of Tonga. Although the Dutch themselves have already become similar to the Papuans.
    1. Reviews
      Reviews 16 October 2020 10: 09 New
      0
      Quote: tihonmarine
      It is noteworthy that even before inviting Russia to a trilateral consultation (with the participation of Australia)
      And also with the participation of Guinea Papua and the Republic of Tonga. Although the Dutch themselves have already become similar to the Papuans.

      Australia was connected due to the fact that there were 27 citizens of this country among the passengers.
      1. And
        And 16 October 2020 10: 37 New
        +2
        But at the same time, they "forgot" to connect Malaysia.
      2. Crimean partisan 1974
        Crimean partisan 1974 16 October 2020 12: 30 New
        0
        Australia was connected due to the fact that there were 27 citizens of this country among the passengers ... ... oband ... and where the Australian authorities stayed for 6 years ... on the way to Mars they flew with an Ilon mask to mark the territory !!! !! It is funny and sad at the same time
        .........
        1. Reviews
          Reviews 16 October 2020 13: 27 New
          0
          Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
          and where the Australian authorities stayed for 6 years ...
          .........

          They were included in the commission from the very beginning.

          NB / and if you want to write "six years", then you do not need to write "6 years", this is illiterate. Correctly write "6 years".
          1. Crimean partisan 1974
            Crimean partisan 1974 16 October 2020 16: 20 New
            -1
            NB / and if you want to write "six years", then you do not need to write "6 years", this is illiterate. Correctly write "6 years" ..... waxes write on paper in words and then waxes print setting out their thoughts and it is competent .. yes and more. some phraseological units should not be questioned

            They were on the commission from the start ..... oops. wow ... this is nonsense .... you missed flights for an hour !!!!! and then it happened as a "citizen from Basseinaya Street" ..... where and when the Australian authorities announced the murder of their passengers over Snezhny ???? well, how can you tell ... we couldn’t even know ...... like I worked in the Ministry of Emergency Situations then ..... decide
            1. Reviews
              Reviews 16 October 2020 17: 02 New
              0
              Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
              NB / and if you want to write "six years", then you do not need to write "6 years", this is illiterate. Correctly write "6 years" ..... waxes write on paper in words and then waxes print setting out their thoughts and it is competent .. yes and more. some phraseological units should not be questioned

              They were on the commission from the start ..... oops. wow ... this is nonsense .... you missed flights for an hour !!!!! and then it happened as a "citizen from Basseinaya Street" ..... where and when the Australian authorities announced the murder of their passengers over Snezhny ???? well, how can you tell ... we couldn’t even know ...... like I worked in the Ministry of Emergency Situations then ..... decide

              Yes, you are a schizoid, it turns out ...
              1. Crimean partisan 1974
                Crimean partisan 1974 16 October 2020 18: 34 New
                -1
                Yes, you are a schizoid, it turns out ... oops ... and evil tongues speak and Newton was a schizoid and Bach and even my namesake Glazunov ... so in vain so in vain.
                1. Reviews
                  Reviews 17 October 2020 07: 26 New
                  0
                  Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
                  in vain.

            2. Niel-le-Calais
              Niel-le-Calais 17 October 2020 21: 38 New
              -2
              Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
              where and when the australian authorities announced the murder of their passengers over Snizhne

              well for example in 2018
              According to a report on the website of the government of the Netherlands, both countries officially notified Russia of their decision.
              MH17: The Netherlands and Australia hold Russia responsible
              News item | 25-05-2018 | 10:37
              The Netherlands and Australia hold Russia responsible for its part in the downing of flight MH17. The government took a decision on this matter, on the proposal of the Minister of Foreign Affairs, Stef Blok. Our two countries have informed Russia of their decision

              "Based on the findings [of an international team of investigators], the Netherlands and Australia are convinced that Russia is responsible for the delivery of the Buk missile launcher used to shoot down MH17," Foreign Minister Stef Blok said in a statement.
  • askort154
    askort154 16 October 2020 10: 05 New
    0
    In turn, the Netherlands and Australia said they "express deep regret over Moscow's unilateral decision."

    And if you include logic. What advice can an ambassador give to an accident investigation commission ?! This is not part of his functional duties. Is he a witness of what happened ?! Everything related to the investigation, Russia provided everything and even more, in contrast to the Ukrainian "fakes". The conclusion suggests itself: the summons of the ambassador to the "commission", the planned next provocation in order to force the "accusation of Russia"
    one "argument" - the refusal of the Russian Foreign Ministry to help the investigation, another confirmation of her guilt. Lavrov did not "cheat" and put them in their place. yes
    1. Polite Moose
      Polite Moose 16 October 2020 10: 28 New
      +1
      Quote: askort154
      And if you include logic. What advice can an ambassador give to an aviation accident investigation committee ?!

      The ambassador may competently and diplomatically send their full commission to (...), to (...) and to (...)
  • Reviews
    Reviews 16 October 2020 10: 06 New
    -3
    Having received such accusations against it, Moscow decided to refuse to participate in the consultations.

    Yeah. That is, she refused the opportunity to poke the idiots into their own heaps and puddles, to be aware of the investigation. "Smart as wutki", damn it ...
    1. Crimean partisan 1974
      Crimean partisan 1974 16 October 2020 12: 45 New
      -1
      That is, she refused the opportunity to poke the idiots into their own heaps and puddles, to be aware of the investigation. "Clever as wutki", damn it .......... why. these, instead of yapping like Italian greyhounds at the Russian Federation, would take advantage of an important case when the host has a lot of things to do. to appoint the true guilty and thus to remember all of their citizens ... but not by senka hat ... lgbt is lgbt ... full
  • Stalnov I.P.
    Stalnov I.P. 16 October 2020 10: 19 New
    -1
    Ursula, not to be allowed into the blacklist and into Russia. The Dutch with dill let them figure out why the sky over the territory of hostilities was not closed, maybe the Ukrainians bought bacon, or promised to dig out next to the Holland SEA.
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 16 October 2020 10: 35 New
    0
    Strange investigations lately. There is evidence, but it is secret ... The funny thing is that if they themselves file it in their own court, with such secret evidence and quotes from social networks, they are unlikely to win the court. They will send them with such a consequence.
  • Galina Medvedeva
    Galina Medvedeva 16 October 2020 10: 38 New
    -3
    Let her consult with herself ...
  • iouris
    iouris 16 October 2020 10: 49 New
    -1
    The Russian Foreign Ministry has exhausted itself. Lavrov and Zakharova said everything they could. No result. And what about the "Scythian gold" that was in Holland? Ah, now it's "Netherlands" ... I'm not me, and the horse is not mine. Well, let Shoigu, a knight of the Maltese order, negotiate now.
  • K-50
    K-50 16 October 2020 10: 49 New
    0
    In turn, the Netherlands and Australia said they "express deep regret over Moscow's unilateral decision." The Russian ambassador was told that "they still hope for the Russian Federation to join the trilateral format of the discussion."

    It is not worth discussing there, because delirium of schizophrenics is a medical case, and what a diplomatic conversation can be crazy?
    1. Katraps
      Katraps 16 October 2020 15: 02 New
      -1
      Those. all around us crazy? But what about these "crazy" produce 99% of what we use? Some very smart, pragmatic "crazy", aren't they? Are we only making nails and cuttings so adequate?
      1. Lekz
        Lekz 16 October 2020 18: 31 New
        0
        Remembering this from the 90s. Now in the store to find something imported is a whole problem. As for the nails, it's a secret: according to the results of the 3rd quarter. 2020 Russia becomes the world's second largest shipbuilding power, overtaking China.
        1. Niel-le-Calais
          Niel-le-Calais 17 October 2020 21: 51 New
          0
          Quote: Lekz
          then in secret: according to the results of Q3. 2020 Russia becomes the world's second largest shipbuilding power, overtaking China.

          In the first quarter of 2020, global shipbuilding was CGT 2,33 million, down 71% year-on-year. This is reported by KBS with reference to the British agency Clarkson Research.

          According to the published data, in the first quarter of the year, China became the leader in the shipbuilding market with an indicator of 1,51 million CGT, followed by South Korea (360 thousand CGT), and the third - by Japan (180 thousand CGT).
          What concerns the 3rd quarter
          The first place traditionally went to South Korea, in the third quarter it accounted for 45% of all world shipbuilding. In absolute terms, this is 1,42 million CGT (CGT is a registered ton, a unit of volume equal to 100 cubic feet, that is, 2,83 m³ and the tonnage of all ships is recalculated into registered tons, so that it is convenient to compare them with each other, and the rating takes into account the tonnage).
          Over the past three months, the volume of Russian shipbuilding tonnage amounted to 860 thousand CGT. This is 30 thousand registered tons more than China, which this time took the third place in the ranking.
          It should be borne in mind that it so coincided that in the 3rd quarter. Over the year, the Russian Federation lags far behind the leaders and middle peasants
          Usually the top three were unchanged - South Korea, China and Japan,
          As for the place of Russian shipbuilding, it is noticeable in the world order book only in the tanker shipbuilding sector with a specific weight of 0,1% to the world volume in terms of deadweight - these are exclusively “river-sea” class product carriers
          In general, the share of the Russian Federation in the world shipbuilding (even plus the defense order where 80% of the tonnage is formed) is no more than 2%.
          I see a successful coincidence of numbers in Q3 has already been replicated throughout Runet as a great victory.
          1. Lekz
            Lekz 17 October 2020 23: 49 New
            0
            And everything is true and plus luck. But luck loves the enterprising. Let me remind you that twenty years ago Russia was not even in the top twenty on the list of ship manufacturers. So there is no reason to be upset.
  • Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 16 October 2020 11: 16 New
    +2
    Not too late, began to snap? Recently, we have been reminiscent of a big and kind of strong bear that has been bitten by fleas!
  • Operator
    Operator 16 October 2020 11: 24 New
    -1
    The sooner we leave the Council of Europe and, accordingly, the ECHR, the less our ambassadors will be summoned to the Foreign Ministries of European dwarf states.
    1. iouris
      iouris 16 October 2020 11: 38 New
      +1
      Quote: Operator
      The faster we leave the Council of Europe

      You and I did not enter it, but those guys who regularly "enter" it will be very against the termination of such business trips. Very. And they are legislators.
  • APASUS
    APASUS 16 October 2020 12: 20 New
    0
    Honestly, this is our fault! When we were so loudly declared guilty, it was necessary to seek the inclusion of the Russian Federation in the investigation team, carrying out systematic work in the media. And having gathered a get-together, we were appointed guilty, but that's not all. accounts, seize property.
    In fact, it was necessary to break off the deep relationship, only in this perspective it is possible to bring back to life the countries that have played.
  • KreAtiF
    KreAtiF 16 October 2020 12: 48 New
    +1
    I just can't understand one thing, at one time General Konashenkov spoke and even showed about the UPA Air Force plane, which supposedly was next to the MH17, and now something is quiet, guys who know what happened to this version?
    1. paco.soto
      paco.soto 16 October 2020 22: 13 New
      +1
      Konashenkov spoke and even showed about the UPA Air Force plane, which allegedly was next to the MH17, and now something is quiet, guys who know what happened to this version? ©


      Since 11:58, at a press conference of the RF Ministry of Defense, the answer is official for the whole world.
  • Growlers
    Growlers 16 October 2020 17: 19 New
    0
    No wonder. European officials are US puppets. These are talking heads expressing the will of the owner. There is nothing to talk about with them!
  • boris epstein
    boris epstein 16 October 2020 17: 58 New
    +2
    No other country has provided as much information as Russia has given. But all the information was stupidly ignored. Even the information of the former SBU Colonel Vasily Prozorov, confirmed by documents, was ignored. Most of all, I am outraged by the US position: "We have satellite images, but we will not show them to anyone." What kind of unbiased investigation can we talk about after this?
  • Valery Vasilyevich
    Valery Vasilyevich 16 October 2020 19: 59 New
    +3
    Is it weak to offer Malaysia a joint independent investigation? Malaysia has criticized all the statements of the Dutch "commission" and would be quite willing to do so. They are the main victim and they are not interested in political games, but in the truth about the culprits, from whom it is possible to legally demand compensation for both the airline and the injured relatives of the victims. Only 2 facts speak unequivocally about the culprit of the tragedy: the disappearance of the dispatcher, who spoke with the crew and the recordings of these negotiations and the fact that the rocket, which the Netherlands themselves put on display, was received by a Soviet army unit located in Western Ukraine and there is no information that she left the storage location not represented. Ignoring these facts clearly indicates that the "investigators" are not looking for the true culprits, but are covering them up, taking the investigation aside in order to blame it all on Russia. And Russia should by no means justify itself, not "deny the accusation", but accuse Holland and the collective West supporting them of falsifying facts, inventing false accusations in order to divert the real culprits from responsibility and blame everything on Russia. As the legendary Russian chess player Alekhine used to say: The best defense is an attack.
  • Valery Vasilyevich
    Valery Vasilyevich 16 October 2020 20: 22 New
    +3
    Please note that when Russia itself begins to accuse Western politicians of lying, backing up the accusations with irrefutable facts and evidence, they are lost. They are used to the fact that for many years Russia has only been justified as a beaten dog. And when accusations are brought against them, and not just empty words, but backed up by evidence, their insolence will decrease. But Russia vyakela Merkel in the form of an ultimatum to provide real evidence instead of words and forgot about it. And Merkel is silent and Russia is silent. Why not declare Merkel for lying and participating in the provocation against Russia persona non grata in Russia until she apologizes to Russia and admits that the staging of Navalny's "poisoning" was a dirty provocation of the German special services. A confident and harsh accusation of lies and falsifications to the West will make many people realize that such a confident position against the entire rebellious West testifies to the correctness of Russia. And sluggish justification, denial of accusations gives people the impression that Russia is guilty and justifies itself because it does not want to admit its guilt. Even in Russia there are imbeciles who believe that the bulk was poisoned by the Russian authorities. Although any sane person understands that Putin had to be an incredible fool to poison Navalny, and then send him to Germany with traces of the poisonous substance.
  • Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 16 October 2020 23: 07 New
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    Quote: venik
    Quote: SSR
    In one place they slowed down, but in another place there was a leap, they bought explosion-proof penetrations in Switzerland and now we are making our own in Perm

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    Well, what can you do? Well, this is how WE are arranged: until the "roast cock" in the well ... (sorry! - in the "seat") does not bite! ".....
    In general, it’s offensive! Well, what prevented the head from thinking before?

    Medvedev's liberal-oriented government, which represented the interests of Western-oriented "elites", got in the way. laughing
  • Al Asad
    Al Asad 17 October 2020 13: 53 New
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    Can anyone explain how Australia is sideways?
    1. Niel-le-Calais
      Niel-le-Calais 17 October 2020 21: 54 New
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      Quote: Al Asad
      Can anyone explain how Australia is sideways?

      27 Australian nationals killed, including Liam Davison, Australian writer
  • Metallurg_2
    Metallurg_2 17 October 2020 15: 32 New
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    Quietly with yourself is a diagnosis ...
  • Uve bjørnsson
    Uve bjørnsson 17 October 2020 18: 35 New
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    Yes, and so that no one would be offended, a new iron curtain is needed. And let them be there by themselves ... What kind of sex drama it will be ...

    So the first "curtain" was closed by THEY, not us.
    Demonic Winston's epic speech at Fulton was way ahead of our response
  • Storog dvornik
    Storog dvornik 17 October 2020 19: 51 New
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    Quote: hrych
    went into an export attack and brought in $ 20 billion a year to the treasury. Is it not enough? For gas we get around 50 billion a year.

    Not to the treasury, but to the pockets of specific persons-owners of exporters (bourgeois), if you are a shareholder of Gazprom, you justly indicated "we" ... The Russian Federation received part of these funds in the form of taxes and other deductions + paid VAT to exporters from the budget ... 99 % of the population did not get a dime ...
    1. hrych
      hrych 18 October 2020 06: 51 New
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      Quote: Storog Dvornik
      99% of the population did not get a dime ...

      Clear. Only then, not a cent wassat once export. It is not enough for us to teach the President's policy, but the General Staff for war, we will also teach the Ministry of Finance. And what about the state employees? And what about Borei, and what bridges? Do you drink coffee? And it does not grow in the Russian Federation. What about bananas? Currency is needed. And what about imported medicines? And what about equipment and machines? Currency is needed. Yes, now both the pharmaceutical industry and the machine tool industry are becoming self-sufficient, but for this there was a massive purchase. Shareholder you say? Does every shareholder pay tax like this? Ali is not there? And Gazprom is an empire and there are half a million workers there, from cleaning ladies to top managers. And after all, families also feed, and subsidiaries, and subcontractors, and the service sector. Millions of workers and even more dependents and servants. So still everyone pays income, etc. Ali wrong? Therefore, you can teach the Ministry of Finance, and the President, or you can also cook your wife ... laughing
  • Storog dvornik
    Storog dvornik 17 October 2020 20: 01 New
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    Quote: hrych
    Well, Crimea is ours

    Russian bourgeois think otherwise ... Have you been to Crimea in the last six months? There is not a single federal energy company, not a single bank (terminals of Krasnodar banks), not a single mobile operator, a unit of retail chains, not Russian Railways, not a significant airline ... There is not even a Russian Post in Crimea ... There are gasket surrogates ...
    1. hrych
      hrych 18 October 2020 05: 49 New
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      What difference does it make to you? The system works. Everything was done correctly to avoid sanctions. The main thing is our army and navy, our pensions and budget. And not surrogates, but specially created, full-fledged companies. On the contrary, it's brilliant, but you are lamenting laughing
  • tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 18 October 2020 05: 20 New
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    Apparently the era of true diplomacy has ended - they turned on the OBS system and this "grandma" in a star-striped skirt !!!