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Will Aliyev give the order to storm Stepanakert: reflections on "red lines"

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During an impromptu teleconference held the day before, during which the leaders of Armenia and Azerbaijan answered the questions of the head of the Russia Today MIA Dmitry Kiselev, they said a lot both about their own desire for a peaceful settlement of the ongoing conflict, and about the "red lines" that they will not allow opponents to cross. In fact, the main intrigue of the current moment lies in the answer to the question: does Baku intend to try to completely seize Nagorno-Karabakh or will it stop there?


As a matter of fact, a certain clarity has already been introduced here by the President of Azerbaijan himself and, accordingly, by the Supreme Commander of the local army Ilham Aliyev. In his already fairly sensational interview to the Turkish television channel NTV, he bluntly stated that Azerbaijan "will not stop this time." Baku is ready to "liberate" the entire territory of Nagorno-Karabakh, and if the Armenian army does not leave it "peacefully and voluntarily", then "the valiant Azerbaijani soldiers will continue their victorious march."

It would seem that it was said very clearly and specifically. Nevertheless, in this situation, we are dealing, on the one hand, with a purely political declaration designed for the external consumer (for our own people, however, too), and on the other, with the sounding of Baku's “great dream”. As large-scale as it is unattainable, at least now and under the present circumstances.

Yes, the Azerbaijani army managed to pretty much succeed in capturing those seven regions that played the role of a "security belt" for Nagorno-Karabakh and Armenia supporting it, surrounding and covering the territory of the unrecognized republic. The analysis of the purely military-strategic aspects of the operation carried out by Azerbaijan is not the subject of this publication, but it should be noted that the Armenian side, expecting from him the next suicidal frontal attacks, was pretty miscalculated. If there were any, then they had the character of rather a distraction.

The main goal, apparently, is precisely the capture of the "buffer zone" around Nagorno-Karabakh. If Baku succeeds in full - with the ousting of the enemy even from the Lachin and Kelbajar regions connecting Artsakh with Armenia, then the local defenders and civilians risk being in a real blockade. There is reason to believe that Aliyev and his generals are just striving for such an arrangement, which, without a doubt, will make Yerevan much more accommodating than it has been over the past three decades.

The Azerbaijani leader can broadcast to the TV camera as much as he wants about the "victorious march", but at present it is impossible to hide the true scale of the losses. Moving forward and ousting the enemy from the "security belt" has already cost a lot, both in terms of human losses and in terms of destroyed and damaged military equipment. It would be better not to even imagine what the storming of Stepanakert will cost, the defenders of which, no doubt, will fight to the death. The price of such a "military success" (even if it is achieved) can become absolutely exorbitant, turning it into a Pyrrhic victory.

Again, the approach of the zone of active hostilities to the territory of Armenia is fraught with direct intervention in the conflict by Russia, which will simply have to do this due to the obligations it has assumed under the CSTO. This is categorically unacceptable for Baku, especially since in this case it will hardly be able to count on adequate assistance from Turkey: a collision of this level is fraught with a world war, and no one will agree to such a thing. Again, today the sympathies of the European Union and the United States, whose opinion Aliyev is far from indifferent, is clearly not on his side. Without stopping in time, you can lose everything.

Based on all of the above, it can be assumed that the Azerbaijani army will try to maximize its own advancement in the regions that make up the "security belt" of Nagorno-Karabakh, but this will be done, firstly, to present its own fellow citizens with significant results of the "small victorious war" and "liberated territories", and secondly (and above all), for further "bargaining" in the process of negotiations with Armenia.

Ilham Aliyev is far from stupid and the fact that he will fill mountains with the corpses of his own soldiers seems very unlikely. Telling each and every one about the readiness for "war to the bitter end", he most likely will not give the order to storm Stepanakert.
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  1. imobile2008
    imobile2008 16 October 2020 18: 05 New
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    What will the storming of Stepanakert, the defenders of which, no doubt, stand to death, will cost, it is better not even to assume
    Can you show your imagination? And not to copy the same thing, first I read this Baghdad, then about Gaddafi and the words are the same. At least draw conclusions!
    1. Artavazdych
      Artavazdych 16 October 2020 18: 15 New
      +9
      Your confusion is barely understandable. Still, if we assume that I did understand you, then it would be incorrect to draw analogies between Karabakh and Baghdad and Tripoli, to put it mildly.
      You replace the desire to destroy power (in the first two cases) with the desire to destroy the entire population
      1. imobile2008
        imobile2008 16 October 2020 18: 24 New
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        I only got hooked on words, and only on words. As for Azerbaijan and Armenia, everything is sad, they just take revenge on each other. AND there will be no end until either one cuts out the other, or they start teaching their children to forgive and live in peace. It's sad that we chose the first option
        1. Nikolay Ivanov_5
          Nikolay Ivanov_5 16 October 2020 20: 31 New
          +6
          I ask you Armenians and Azerbaijanis to stop from madness. The bloodshed between the parties is increasingly alienating you from forgiveness and the possibility of stopping a full-scale war.
          1. Albay
            Albay 16 October 2020 22: 17 New
            +9
            Nikolay Ivanovich 5.
            No need to ask us. The Armenians all these years said we won, you can come and take it. We came and take not someone else's ours. They just imagined that all the previous victories were due to their "courage", "genius", and not with the help of Russia. Well, let them now show how "invincible" they are.
            They did not even fight back for half an hour for not one settlement that was liberated by the Azerbaijani army in Nagorno-Karabakh itself. Gadrut and the villages around Neno surrendered without a fight as soon as the Azerbaijani army took two heights.
            1. Nikolay Ivanov_5
              Nikolay Ivanov_5 16 October 2020 22: 35 New
              +6
              Why do you need this damn war ???
              1. Clear
                Clear 16 October 2020 22: 42 New
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                Quote: Nikolai Ivanov_5
                Why do you need this damn war ???

                Indeed, guys, you finish this bloody business. Well, how will you continue to live with this when you change your mind?
                1. Albay
                  Albay 16 October 2020 22: 54 New
                  0
                  Clearly, why did you all remain silent when these bastards were killing our civilians, when they drove out a million inhabitants from their lands?
                  After the surrender, the Soros will stop!
                  1. Clear
                    Clear 16 October 2020 23: 07 New
                    +9
                    Quote: Albay
                    Clearly, why did you all remain silent when these bastards were killing our civilians, when they drove out a million inhabitants from their lands?
                    After the surrender, the Soros will stop!

                    Oh, it is clear that they have not changed their minds. It's a pity. And yet - sit down for negotiations. Otherwise, you will kindle such a fire and collect so many scum from all over the world ... that you want to stop, but it will not work.
                    1. Albay
                      Albay 16 October 2020 23: 17 New
                      -4
                      Clear
                      No need to groan with the Germans at 41 meters, why didn't you think about it, you fought with the Chechens, did not think to change your mind, the Russians fighting in Ukraine are not suggesting to change their minds?
                      Let the Armenians change their minds and get out with their army to their Armenia. This is in the sick imagination of the Armenians and their accomplices some kind of mercenaries. Azerbaijan has enough of its army and soldiers. They gather Kurds and all their fellow tribesmen. We do not mind let them come and clear the land all the rabble.
                      1. Clear
                        Clear 16 October 2020 23: 36 New
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                        Quote: Albay
                        No need to groan with the Germans at 41 m

                        By the way, if you are from the former republic of the USSR, and not from Turkey, then I will remind you about the Second World War


                        Quote: Albay
                        they fought with the Chechens did not think to change their minds,
                        What are you talking about, dear? Something I have not heard, that would be in Karabakh, in contrast to the so-called. Ichkeria, the slave trade, drug trafficking, Sharia ... and sabotage and terrorist methods of action in the cities of Azerbaijan were established.

                        Quote: Albay
                        in Ukraine, Russian do not offer to change their minds?
                        and this is a comparison of the shelling of civilians, children and women of the LDNR by Bandera? By the way, over the past six years, children have died on only one side, say which side? Well, you are really ... hot southern horseman. You are sure to bring trouble to yourself.
                      2. Albay
                        Albay 16 October 2020 23: 53 New
                        -5
                        Clear, you haven't heard because you don't want to hear.
                        Karabakh was part of the drug traffic.
                        Now huge plantations have been identified in the Fizuli region. Armenian terrorists blew up the subway in Baku more than once. Why don't you know? Because you didn't care.
                        Why, if your metro is blown up, this is terrorism, when ours is, alas and oh?
                        Well then, a cold northern woman, if women and children in Malybeyli, Khojaly were killed by the Dashnaks and only ours, why are our women and children worse than yours?
                        In this war, too, we have the Motherland password, the slogan Victory!
                      3. aleksejkabanets
                        aleksejkabanets 17 October 2020 00: 59 New
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                        Quote: Albay
                        if women and children in Malybeyli, Khojaly were killed by Dashnaks and only ours, why are our women and children worse than yours?

                        Nothing worse, but you, Dear, speak from the standpoint of nationalism, which is unacceptable (sooner or later it will lead to blood feud), the Dashnaks were destroyed at the time of the formation of the USSR, by the way Mingrelian Beria took the most ardent part in this. While the USSR was alive, there were no serious interethnic conflicts, I grew up in Armavir, I grew up with Armenians, my neighbors were refugees from Stepanakert, I know what happened there in the early 90s. I served a term with the Azerbaijanis. The tragedy in Sumgait and the tragedy in Khojaly are one field of berries. All this is just a struggle for someone's financial interests. I have no complaints about the Chechen milling machine operator or the English turner, we have no conflict of interest. There is a clearly expressed conflict of interests between Russian and Turkish oligarchs, between American and Chinese interests, between Armenian and Azerbaijani oligarchs, think about it better.
                      4. Albay
                        Albay 17 October 2020 02: 29 New
                        +2
                        Alekseykabanets, you, like most, do not even know the topic and what you are talking about. Therefore, you cannot understand.
                        1. The Dashnaktsutyun party still exists in Armenia and is quite influential.
                        2. The tragedy in Sumgait was the work of the same Armenians, before Sumgait there was Kafan and Goris from where they expelled 200 thousand Azerbaijanis and killed several dozen, all of them were placed in Sumgait and Baku.
                        3. The organizer of the tragedy in Sumgait was the Armenian Eduard Grigoryan, who killed 6 of the 18 dead and raped the Melkumyan sisters, who were discovered during the investigation. This was established by the investigation conducted by the General Prosecutor's Office of the USSR. Google on the Internet there is a documentary film where there is footage of the interrogation of this non-human. Grigoryan, three more Armenians were identified and brought to the investigation. One of them was a passport, which gave Grigoryan the addresses of Armenians who did not pay to the Karabakh fund. And in Khojaly, more than 600 women and children were massacred by Dashnaks, in Malybeyli, residents of the village were burnt alive by Dashnaks, and this happened during the battles. After that you dare to tell me that this is one field of berries?
                      5. Jager
                        Jager 17 October 2020 14: 52 New
                        0
                        Put any Armenian against the Ayzer, so he will give his reasons for the bloodthirstiness of the opposing side. Where have you been all these almost 30 years? Or did Turkey and the United States simply need to rock the boat with your hands and the Armenians? If powerful powers were not behind you, you would cut each other with great enthusiasm.
              2. unsinkable
                unsinkable 20 October 2020 11: 20 New
                -1
                I minus you, because you shamelessly dumped everything in one heap - both the Great Patriotic War and the elimination of bandits in Chechnya, and Russian volunteers helping to defend the people's right to freedom from the dictatorship of the fascist Banderaites.
                Think about the difference between events and don't be so mean.
                Not being a nationalist, I believe that Azerbaijan is right in this dispute, and I believe that there is no other solution besides a military one. And in order to avoid bloodshed, Armenia must get out of the lawful lands of Azerbaijan, but first agree on the joint peaceful residence of both Armenians and Azerbaijanis in Karabakh.
                Ordinary people will find a common language.
            2. Pissarro
              Pissarro 16 October 2020 23: 24 New
              +8
              Do you see the subject of negotiations? Well they sat down. What's next? They hate each other fiercely and do not hear at all. They live in different worlds. Some shout your Motherland Altai, bring it down there. Others shout you here Russians from Cilicia brought you here, before you were not here.
              I would like to be wrong, but I think the war will stop no sooner than the sides bleed each other
      2. Albay
        Albay 16 October 2020 22: 48 New
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        Nikolay Ivanovich 5.
        What a question?
        Why do you need Moscow, Peter?
        This is OUR HOMELAND !!
        The enemy will be defeated, Victory will be ours !!!
        1. Nikolay Ivanov_5
          Nikolay Ivanov_5 16 October 2020 23: 17 New
          -2
          Maybe all of you are better off creating a Transcaucasian Federal Republic with the capital in Nagorno-Karabakh than to fight ???
          1. Albay
            Albay 16 October 2020 23: 56 New
            0
            Nikolay Ivanovich 5
            Why create a federal republic?
            This is our land and our homeland.
            Create federal republics at home.
            1. Jager
              Jager 17 October 2020 15: 00 New
              +3
              With great pleasure I would have gathered such people who want to fight with someone else's hands like those like you - all kinds of fascist tribalts, Bandera supporters, religious fanatics with a desire to create an Emirate, parquet strategists of all sorts, our Nazis - all this rot and send them to storm the fortified heights with "three lines". And put a detachment behind.
              Send for the right brain for at least 15 minutes.
              Half at least immediately fall into pacifism after such a "walk".
              1. Body
                Body 18 October 2020 10: 27 New
                +3
                "Kropp is a philosopher. He proposes that when a war is declared, something like a folk festival should be arranged, with music and entrance tickets, as during a bullfight. Then the ministers and generals of the warring countries, in panties, armed with clubs, should they will grapple with each other. Whoever survives will declare their country the victor. It would be easier and fairer than what is happening here, where the wrong people are fighting each other. "

                EM. Remarque "All Quiet on the Western Front"
              2. Jager
                Jager 23 October 2020 19: 05 New
                0
                So I paraphrased the classic.
  2. Artavazdych
    Artavazdych 16 October 2020 22: 40 New
    -5
    Dear, it was not the Azerbaijani army that took it, but the jabhat an nusra and others like them.
    They say that the Caspian flotilla has begun exercises in the Caspian. What do you think for what?
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      1. Artavazdych
        Artavazdych 16 October 2020 22: 56 New
        -1
        It's not hard for me to admit. Moreover, I am not at war there. These are the words of Patrushev.
        I hope you accidentally misrepresented my middle name?
        1. Albay
          Albay 16 October 2020 23: 58 New
          -1
          Patrushev did not say that, and his opinion is not authoritative for me without facts.
          I don't know your middle name to distort it.
      2. Artavazdych
        Artavazdych 16 October 2020 23: 53 New
        -3
        Since no apologies have been received, I write to the admin
        1. Albay
          Albay 17 October 2020 00: 04 New
          +1
          For what to apologize? Write at least to the US State Department!
    2. Nikolay Ivanov_5
      Nikolay Ivanov_5 16 October 2020 22: 55 New
      +3
      A trap for Russia is being set. Fools, the Americans pull the strings to start the war. Georgians let weapons and militants from Turkey into Azerbaijan, naive Azerbaijanis are being led to provocation under the deception of the Turks, pro-American Armenians are dragging their country into the conflict. What should Russia do?
      1. Pissarro
        Pissarro 16 October 2020 23: 26 New
        +1
        A trap for Russia is being set. Fools, the Americans pull the strings to start the war. Georgians let weapons and militants from Turkey into Azerbaijan, naive Azerbaijanis are being led to provocation under the deception of the Turks, pro-American Armenians are dragging their country into the conflict. What should Russia do?



        While wait
      2. antiaircrafter
        antiaircrafter 17 October 2020 22: 15 New
        0
        Quote: Nikolay Ivanov_5
        What should Russia do?

        Concentrate.
    3. Vsepomni
      Vsepomni 18 October 2020 14: 15 New
      -2
      Putin turned in Pashik. There is nothing to protect the Armenians. They sold themselves to Soros. Our 3 generals 30 years ago were expelled from their lands by children. Now they are taking revenge and reclaiming their homeland. This is the highest justice
  • Terenin
    Terenin 16 October 2020 22: 17 New
    +9
    How not to predict further, but the blitzkrieg failed. Now the situation is exhausting. It's a pity the two-way death of people.
    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 17 October 2020 20: 13 New
      -1
      Quote: Terenin
      How not to predict further, but the blitzkrieg failed.

      For thirty years, everything has been "blitzkrieg".
      1. Terenin
        Terenin 17 October 2020 20: 19 New
        +3
        Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Quote: Terenin
        How not to predict further, but the blitzkrieg failed.

        For thirty years, everything has been "blitzkrieg".

        The reverse side of independence.
    2. Buka001
      Buka001 21 October 2020 16: 19 New
      0
      No one has announced a blitz anywhere,
      It all started with an attack on the goods. For this, they teach the most tomatoes
  • svp67
    svp67 16 October 2020 18: 10 New
    +4
    If now the front collapses, and it is close to this and the Azerbaijani army manages to cut the roads leading from Armenia to Karabakh, then the chance that they will try to take Stepanakert is high and if they do not even take it right away, they will complete the blockade.
    Until Russia joins, Azerbaijan will do whatever it wants, and Armenia will answer with everything it can
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      1. svp67
        svp67 16 October 2020 18: 25 New
        +6
        Quote: FerrariStradale
        which front)) which roads))) Have you ever seen a map of Karabakh?
        Yes, every day I look and see how the noose is tightened. Have you ever considered the cards?

        Karabakh itself, that is, those territories where the Armenians originally lived, this is a dark-colored territory, and here it is red

        everything else is primordially Azerbaijani territories, which were seized by the Armenians in the 90s, to ensure the security of Karabakh and communication with Armenia
        1. FerrariStradale
          FerrariStradale 16 October 2020 18: 28 New
          +1
          Why do I need your political maps, you look at the physical map
          1. OgnennyiKotik
            OgnennyiKotik 16 October 2020 18: 37 New
            +1
            Quote: FerrariStradale
            you are looking at a physical map

            If you look at the physical map, it becomes clear that they do not need Stepanakert. If the Lachin corridor is cut, Karabakh will be surrendered without a fight. And the theater of operations there is most favorable for the offensive.
            1. FerrariStradale
              FerrariStradale 16 October 2020 18: 48 New
              +2
              You have the wrong card, the Armenians hold much more territory than Karabakh
              1. OgnennyiKotik
                OgnennyiKotik 16 October 2020 18: 56 New
                +3
                Never mind. There are 2 roads from Armenia to Karabakh. One is already blocked, in order to reach the second one needed Hadrut, or rather the heights around it.

                If Shushi is blocked, the result will be the same.
                1. Oquzyurd
                  Oquzyurd 16 October 2020 19: 15 New
                  +4
                  Rather, part of the grouping will head towards Zangilan and Gubatly (in the south along the Araz River and then to the north). After the de-occupation of these territories, from there to the north to the Lachin corridor, acting simultaneously with the direction of Gadrut-Lachin.
                  1. OgnennyiKotik
                    OgnennyiKotik 16 October 2020 19: 23 New
                    +3
                    Did you understand correctly? I think where it will be easier to hit there. The main thing is to block Lachin.
                    1. Oquzyurd
                      Oquzyurd 16 October 2020 19: 31 New
                      +5
                      If you cover at least one flank, you can't go there by a narrow path, because I think that from the side of Gubatly the flank should be safe, or vice versa.
                    2. Oquzyurd
                      Oquzyurd 16 October 2020 23: 46 New
                      +1
                      Yes everything is correct.
                    3. Oquzyurd
                      Oquzyurd 17 October 2020 00: 52 New
                      -2
                      Just now, these bastards hit Ganja with a ballistic missile, the houses are littered, there are many victims. Armenia, you’ll play it out. We’ll tear you apart vampires.
                2. FerrariStradale
                  FerrariStradale 16 October 2020 19: 24 New
                  -3
                  No road is blocked. Stop doing nonsense. Karabakh is a forest mountainous territory, which itself can fight without support. Many weapons have been brought there.
                  You understand that even if Azerbaijan goes inland, the Armenians will also be able to block the roads. There cannot be a clear front line.
                  1. OgnennyiKotik
                    OgnennyiKotik 16 October 2020 19: 32 New
                    +5
                    Quote: FerrariStradale
                    Karabakh is a forest mountainous territory, which itself can fight without support. Many weapons have been brought there.

                    To wage a war you need shells, cartridges, food. It is impossible to fully provide for the troops on mountain roads. The partisans can resist for a long time, but this is no longer a war. Let me remind you that there is a large number of civilians that need to be fed.
                    1. Albay
                      Albay 16 October 2020 22: 58 New
                      -1
                      Fiery kitten
                      Peaceful violence flees, but how will they be partisans without it?
                      What did these great partisans leave Hadrut and sat around him?
                  2. Lara Croft
                    Lara Croft 16 October 2020 23: 04 New
                    -1
                    Quote: FerrariStradale
                    You understand that even if Azerbaijan goes inland, the Armenians will also be able to block the roads.

                    I think, with the direct actions of the Azerbaijani Armed Forces, the latter may be surrounded ...
                    1. OgnennyiKotik
                      OgnennyiKotik 16 October 2020 23: 10 New
                      -5
                      Quote: Lara Croft

                      I think, with the direct actions of the Azerbaijani Armed Forces, the latter may be surrounded ...

                      They cannot. Armenian troops are exhausted, they have no offensive capabilities.
                      1. Lara Croft
                        Lara Croft 16 October 2020 23: 26 New
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                        Quote: OgnennyiKotik
                        Quote: Lara Croft

                        I think, with the direct actions of the Azerbaijani Armed Forces, the latter may be surrounded ...

                        They cannot. Armenian troops are exhausted, they have no offensive capabilities.

                        .... no significant damage was inflicted on the Armed Forces of Armenia and the NKR ...
                        ... sooner or later, the Armed Forces will invade the territory of Armenia, which is in contact with the territory of the occupied districts that are part of the "NKR security belt", this will be the signals first for the KR MB of the Russian Navy, and then the RF Aerospace Forces ...
                        Knowing the terrain and the location of the troops of both sides, one can predict the "clumsy" and straightforward actions of Azerbaijan's ground forces, they now feel themselves victors and therefore do not look at the cover of their flanks and rear ...
                      2. OgnennyiKotik
                        OgnennyiKotik 16 October 2020 23: 31 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Lara Croft
                        it is late for the armed forces to invade the territory of Armenia,

                        What for? They liberate their lands, there is no point in invading Armenia.
                        Quote: Lara Croft
                        no significant damage was inflicted on the Armed Forces of Armenia and the NKR

                        Inflicted, they can only defend. Azerbaijan won this tour.
                      3. Lara Croft
                        Lara Croft 16 October 2020 23: 41 New
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                        Quote: OgnennyiKotik
                        What for? They liberate their lands, there is no point in invading Armenia.

                        You have to be professionals in the field of command and control of troops and their use in order to do everything normally, I think there are Anglo-Saxons in the headquarters of the Azerbaijani troops ... if not, then all the "interesting" will be ahead ...
                      4. OgnennyiKotik
                        OgnennyiKotik 16 October 2020 23: 57 New
                        -1
                        Azerbaijan is assisted by the second NATO army, Turkish officers are well trained, have extensive experience in various modern wars.
                        Air defense and tanks have been knocked out of the Armenian troops in Karabakh, they cannot be restored or redeployed, now they are finishing off the OTRK, MLRS, artillery. Azerbaijani unmanned aircraft operate throughout the depth, Hadrut was simply abandoned. All signs, if not a rout, then a pre-devastating state.

                        That's it, Azerbaijan's strategic victory has taken place. There are several ways now. From a military point of view, it is better to cut both roads to Karabakh and slowly clear it of the remnants of the troops. From a humanitarian point of view, it is better to conclude a truce with substantial concessions from the Armenian side.
                        Personally, I am for an immediate end to the war and the beginning of negotiations. Peace - peace, war - pipiska.
                      5. Lara Croft
                        Lara Croft 17 October 2020 00: 14 New
                        -5
                        Quote: OgnennyiKotik
                        Turkish officers are well trained, have extensive experience in various modern wars.

                        In what conflicts did the Turkish army gain experience of fighting with regular installments foreign states?
                        Air defense and tanks have been knocked out of the Armenian troops in Karabakh, they cannot be restored or redeployed, now they are finishing off the OTRK, MLRS, artillery.

                        By and large, Armenia has practically not yet used large-caliber rocket artillery and OTRK (all are located on the territory of Armenia) in the present conflict, nor have the Armenians used electronic warfare and RTR means ...
                        All signs, if not a rout, then a pre-devastating state.

                        All the signs of luring Azerbaijani troops into a "fire bag" and stretching the communications of Azerbaijani troops, the situation would be improved by Azerbaijan's use of airborne assault forces from helicopters with reinforced PTS ... to fight the enemy's second echelons, but there are no such units ... in any of the five AK SV Azerbaijan ....
                        That's it, Azerbaijan's strategic victory has taken place.

                        When the NKR and the seven regions of Azerbaijan surrounded by it will be under the control of Azerbaijan, at the moment there are battles of local importance, scattering the forces of Azerbaijan's army and taking control of a small part of the territory ...
                        The blow fell into the void ...
                        The only success is the destruction of tanks and military air defense equipment of the NKR Armed Forces ...
                      6. karima
                        karima 17 October 2020 08: 59 New
                        -2
                        Quote: Lara Croft
                        All signs of luring Azerbaijani troops into a "fire bag"
                        You should listen to Slepakov's song about oil, especially the chorus.
                    2. Albay
                      Albay 17 October 2020 00: 30 New
                      -2
                      A fiery cat, Azerbaijani officers are also trained according to Turkish standards and most of them studied in Turkey. Even the soldiers took courses in mountain commandos at one time when there were no similar courses in Azerbaijan. The Azerbaijani army can be said by the degree of training and education currently mini Turkish.
                    3. Lara Croft
                      Lara Croft 17 October 2020 09: 27 New
                      -4
                      Quote: Albay
                      The Azerbaijani army can be said by the degree of training and education currently mini-Turkish.

                      Most likely, but not all ....
                    4. Albay
                      Albay 17 October 2020 13: 30 New
                      -5
                      Lara Kroft is the entire army without exception. And correctly put it. The fiery kitten, the Armenian army was defeated, the southern front collapsed, and today Fuzuli is liberated. The war is already going on in the depths of Nagorno-Karabakh. The Azerbaijani army is advancing competently and professionally. These are battles far from local in scale. Today the northern front of the Armenians will collapse for a day, the job is done, the Armenians are prolonging their agony.
          2. New Year day
            New Year day 16 October 2020 23: 58 New
            -3
            Quote: Lara Croft
            this will be the signals first for the KR MB of the Russian Navy, and then the RF VKS ..

            Calm down, nothing of this will happen laughing
            Likewise, the Turks can stick in. Russia cannot fight with Turkey, because with such a development of events, Turkey has every right to close the Bosphorus for us. How will you maintain the group in Syria? By air? - the impossibility of this has already been proven
          3. Pissarro
            Pissarro 17 October 2020 00: 20 New
            +5
            I agree, this will not happen)
            But theoretically, the closure of the Bosphorus as an act of war will also close it for Turkey, it is not difficult to drown something there or mine approaches.
            Alas, the Syrian group will have to be supplied by air
            But the Turks and others will not be able to supply Azerbaijan even by air, since in the event of a war the Georgian corridor will be closed.
            And the worst thing for the Turks is that all the enemies of the Turks accumulated with such love by the Sultan will at once unite in the desire to beat them and divide the Turkish heritage.
            Greeks block NATO actions and aim at islands
            In Libya, Egypt, the Emirates and Russia are being cleaned up
            Cyprus begins to return the occupied part
            Egypt strangles all ties with Qatar and the Middle East to the Turks
            Armenians prepare to raise the flag over Ararat
            There is not a drop of oil in Turkey itself. Neither Baku, nor the Middle East, nor Libya
            Ama of Syria dispatches arms to Kurds
            Erdogan shoots himself in the bunker :-)
          4. New Year day
            New Year day 17 October 2020 00: 34 New
            0
            Quote: Pissarro
            there is something to drown or mine approaches is not difficult

            What are the depths in the Bosphorus? Drown if allowed. Right as children
        2. Lara Croft
          Lara Croft 17 October 2020 00: 23 New
          0
          Quote: Silvestr
          Quote: Lara Croft
          this will be the signals first for the KR MB of the Russian Navy, and then the RF VKS ..

          Calm down, nothing of this will happen laughing

          The Russian Federation will not have a choice to stand up for Armenia with which it has an agreement on mutual military assistance, otherwise, it will not be considered anything ...
          This whole conflict was started by the Americans in order to check the negotiability of the Russian Federation ...
          Likewise, the Turks can stick in. Russia cannot fight with Turkey, because with such a development of events, Turkey has every right to close the Bosphorus for us.

          After direct combat contact between Turkey and the Russian Federation, the first will have several "Bosphorus" .... is it necessary?
          How will you maintain the group in Syria?

          In a war between the Russian Federation and Turkey, it will have to be evacuated ...
          By air? - the impossibility of this has already been proven

          By whom? You?
        3. New Year day
          New Year day 17 October 2020 00: 32 New
          -2
          Quote: Lara Croft
          there will be several "Bosphorus" .... is it necessary?

          Don't repeat Gromyko's tales.
          Quote: Lara Croft
          By whom? You?

          Then explore the logistics to Syria and the use of the BDK as a means of transport yourself. laughing
    2. Bad thing
      Bad thing 17 October 2020 18: 52 New
      +1
      Lara, do you want to fit in for someone in this quarrel?
  • New Year day
    New Year day 16 October 2020 23: 52 New
    +1
    Quote: FerrariStradale
    she can fight without support.

    Why then did Armenia roll out Iskander? By yourself
  • New Year day
    New Year day 16 October 2020 23: 54 New
    +1
    Quote: FerrariStradale
    Armenians will also be able to block roads

    A guerrilla movement is impossible without the support of the local population
  • Artavazdych
    Artavazdych 16 October 2020 21: 33 New
    0
    Do you draw these roads yourself?
    Their Armenia is dear to Karabakh. And what you drew is a mountain trail, except for climbers
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 16 October 2020 21: 36 New
      +2
      Quote: Artavazdych
      From Armenia to Karabakh, the road is


      1. Artavazdych
        Artavazdych 16 October 2020 21: 56 New
        -2
        Road 2 - yes, road 1 does not exist, look at Geeshtab maps or at least google
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        2. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 16 October 2020 22: 10 New
          +2
          Quote: Artavazdych
          road 1 does not exist,




      2. Artavazdych
        Artavazdych 16 October 2020 22: 09 New
        +3
        This is what this so-called summer road looks like:
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 16 October 2020 22: 19 New
          +4
          Quote: Artavazdych
          This is what this so-called summer road looks like:

          Great road. Two KAMAZ or Urals will disperse. No more. These are mountains, there are other realities. Here's a bad road:
        2. Artavazdych
          Artavazdych 17 October 2020 20: 29 New
          -1
          Now there will be Kamaz and Ural in a ditch. Clay
        3. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 17 October 2020 20: 31 New
          -2
          Ural? No, he passes in such places that it's hard to walk on foot.
        4. Artavazdych
          Artavazdych 17 October 2020 21: 47 New
          0
          I know where the Ural passes
          There is such a hellish mixture - stones covered with clay. When it rains, it's zhjeppa
        5. MKPU-115
          MKPU-115 21 October 2020 11: 38 New
          0
          Quote: Artavazdych
          I know where the Ural passes
          There is such a hellish mixture - stones covered with clay. When it rains, it's zhjeppa

          Stones are good, but when there is just a swamp under the wheels, without stones, then yes, not very much.
        6. Artavazdych
          Artavazdych 21 October 2020 14: 39 New
          -1
          , that's when there is just a swamp under the wheels,

          If you drive on roads, then there will be no swamp, there will be a road. The road is where someone has already passed before you, so you will also pass.
          I mean, this road is not suitable as a road of life. All cargoes cannot be transported by Urals. Urals won't be enough
        7. MKPU-115
          MKPU-115 21 October 2020 15: 41 New
          0
          Quote: Artavazdych
          The road is where someone has already passed before you, so you will also pass.

          And this is already a big question.
          Our Susanin trophy is confirmation of this - two managed to pass, and the third drowned, the rest got up.

          There is no question at all about armored vehicles, they simply will not pass there.
        8. Artavazdych
          Artavazdych 21 October 2020 15: 48 New
          -2
          Well, these are toys for adult boys)))
          I'm fond of myself
        9. MKPU-115
          MKPU-115 21 October 2020 15: 55 New
          0
          Quote: Artavazdych
          Well, these are toys for adult boys)))
          I'm fond of myself

          And you say the second will pass ...
          The stones are good, ours did not leave the road in the spring, otherwise immediately, up the tower.
        10. Artavazdych
          Artavazdych 21 October 2020 15: 59 New
          -2
          Spring is a short period, 10-15 days, when the ground has thawed. Then it compresses itself
        11. MKPU-115
          MKPU-115 21 October 2020 16: 38 New
          0
          Quote: Artavazdych
          Spring is a short period, 10-15 days, when the ground has thawed. Then it compresses itself

          Yes, yes, it is compaction, in June two tanks were drowned on a dirt road, and the second one climbed to pull it out, then washed and dried for a couple of months.
        12. Artavazdych
          Artavazdych 21 October 2020 16: 50 New
          -2
          Where is this? In our Kursk region, all swamps have increased over the past 10-15 years. The climate has changed significantly
        13. MKPU-115
          MKPU-115 21 October 2020 16: 53 New
          0
          Quote: Artavazdych
          Where is this? In our Kursk region, all swamps have increased over the past 10-15 years. The climate has changed significantly

          Yes there was a case in the Far East, 5th Army.
  • MKPU-115
    MKPU-115 21 October 2020 11: 37 New
    0
    Quote: Artavazdych
    This is what this so-called summer road looks like:

    The road is like a road, what's the problem?
    Or maybe you haven't seen our roads?
  • Artavazdych
    Artavazdych 21 October 2020 14: 27 New
    -3
    What are ours? Russians? I go every day. Not on asphalt. And I rode around the Caucasus. I will tell you - in the Caucasus it is worse (slopes, slippery boulders, rubble)
    I showed the summer version. It’s not like that now. And in winter there is no move at all
  • Artavazdych
    Artavazdych 21 October 2020 14: 33 New
    -3
    Wow! I just wrote, and after 30 seconds they already set a minus))) What zealous warriors laughing
  • Albay
    Albay 17 October 2020 00: 07 New
    -2
    Fiery kitten, from Gadrut you can attack in three directions. These are important heights. I think you can go to Azykh and Shusha, Khankendi. You can quickly take Khojavend and continue in the same way. There are many prospects from there.
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  • New Year day
    New Year day 16 October 2020 23: 50 New
    +1
    Quote: FerrariStradale
    Armenians hold much more territory than Karabakh

    It is for these territories that the battle is going on
  • Albay
    Albay 16 October 2020 22: 10 New
    -2
    Fiery kitten
    You are wrong Khankendi is needed.
    It is possible to block the Lachin road later.
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 16 October 2020 23: 07 New
      +1
      Albay, not a kitten, but a cat! laughing
      You won't take it straight away, you will only get a bunch of martyrs.
      1. Oquzyurd
        Oquzyurd 17 October 2020 00: 02 New
        +1
        My forecast is that ours will go from the direction of Hadrut-Lachin and Gubatly-Lachin, reach through the mountains to Turshsu, reliably close the road, then from there in the direction of Shusha. Khankendi will be left at the very end, for voluntary surrender.
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 17 October 2020 00: 07 New
          -1
          Logically, I agree. If Armenia does not agree to surrender. The return of all territories of Azerbaijan, except for Karabakh, to Karabakh of peacekeepers and a special status.
          And it’s a pity that people are dying there, the places are simply amazing. With great pleasure I traveled in those parts.
          1. Oquzyurd
            Oquzyurd 17 October 2020 00: 20 New
            -2
            On the map, they probably looked at what they turned into hundreds of villages and settlements. They dismantled them almost to the ground. They wanted to erase our traces. They would have waited another 20-30 years, everything, even the remains of houses would be difficult to find. The world is always good, but not the same. that was almost 27 years old.
          2. Oquzyurd
            Oquzyurd 17 October 2020 00: 33 New
            0
            Hadrut and the surrounding villages and further northward, the villages of Khojavent (Martuni) and further in the direction of Khankendi, all this was within the framework of the former autonomy of Karabakh. This is a signal for Pashik that if you do not leave voluntarily, then it will turn out that later the status do not wait for Karabakh. I myself will decide the level of government in these territories. If you leave, there are still chances.
            1. OgnennyiKotik
              OgnennyiKotik 17 October 2020 20: 27 New
              -1
              He himself will soon be gone, the news in the evening was:
              The political parties of Armenia issued a joint statement against the background of the conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh. They call on the president and the country's authorities:

              - Create an operational military-political headquarters. And empower him to decide, plan and coordinate urgent issues.

              - Include in it the former presidents and prime ministers of Armenia and Karabakh. Including Robert Kocharian, Serzh Sargasyan, Levon Ter-Petrosyan, the current leader of the country Pashinyan and others.
            2. Oquzyurd
              Oquzyurd 17 October 2020 20: 30 New
              0
              Honestly, I don’t understand. Understood))
    2. Albay
      Albay 17 October 2020 00: 11 New
      -2
      Numb cat sorry)))
      As for the martyrs, if we go outright, I'm not sure. They will run. It's your stereotypes here that the Armenians will hold on and that they have some kind of alien spirit.
      Why did they not resist in Hadrut and in the villages around, but left the city?
      If we take Shusha, they will leave Khankendi.
      1. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 17 October 2020 00: 20 New
        -1
        Quote: Albay
        Why did they not resist in Hadrut and in the villages around, but left the city?

        Very correct actions of the Azerbaijani troops were imposed on all sides, so there was no point in holding the city. That's the way to fight.
        Quote: Albay
        If we take Shusha, they will leave Khankendi.

        Even if you take the heights around the Lachin road, it means the operational encirclement of the troops in Karabakh. With all the consequences. There will be no point in waging war for the Armenians, there will only be senseless death of soldiers.
        1. Albay
          Albay 17 October 2020 00: 35 New
          -1
          Fiery cat, I agree that they did it correctly.
          So Khankend will be in the same position after the capture of Shushi.
          How will they be able to defend it when Azerbaijan has all the heights and roads?
        2. Buka001
          Buka001 21 October 2020 16: 52 New
          +1
          The goal of the criminal leadership of Armenia is precisely this, to send more of its soldiers to death, so that later the whole world can cry that such bloodthirsty Azerbaijanis have killed so many souls. Otherwise, these senseless attempts to keep other people's 7 regions are in no way justified. The network is full of videos where Armenian soldiers cry from despair, but male honor does not allow them to deserted. Although several battalions turned out to be smarter and still fled from the battlefield.
    3. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 17 October 2020 20: 25 New
      -3
      Quote: OgnennyiKotik
      You won't take it straight away, you will only get a bunch of martyrs.


      Armenian martyrs are enchanting, yes ... laughing
  • Pissarro
    Pissarro 16 October 2020 23: 36 New
    0
    You are wrong Khankendi is needed.
    It is possible to block the Lachin road later.


    It is unlikely that they would risk taking the fortress without cutting off the supply. Why does Aliyev need mountains of corpses during the assault with dubious results? He is a very careful politician and knows how to wait. I think he is going to the Lachin road. So there are fewer political problems, Karabakh does not climb. And Pashinyan will become compliant as if Karabakh is cut off
    1. Albay
      Albay 17 October 2020 00: 12 New
      0
      Pissarro, the supply can be cut off without taking Lachin. As for the mountain of corpses, I answered the cat above.
  • svp67
    svp67 16 October 2020 20: 05 New
    +4
    Quote: FerrariStradale
    Why do I need your political cards

    So that you better understand what is at stake. That this whole unrecognized republic is much larger than Nagorno-Karabakh.
    1. Gubernia
      Gubernia 16 October 2020 20: 12 New
      +1
      Quote: svp67
      Quote: FerrariStradale
      Why do I need your political cards

      So that you better understand what is at stake. That this whole unrecognized republic is much larger than Nagorno-Karabakh.

      How many members of the forum of Azerbaijanis have divorced .. where do not rush everywhere their videos, articles, etc. And try something against say Who did you learn?
      You Sergey are more informed than me .. Why is this happening?
      1. svp67
        svp67 16 October 2020 20: 17 New
        +4
        Quote: Gubernia
        .Why it happens ?

        Because...
        First come some, then others. The former are now euphoric, they are winning, the latter are apathy ... they generally don't care.
        1. Gubernia
          Gubernia 16 October 2020 20: 35 New
          +1
          Quote: svp67
          Quote: Gubernia
          .Why it happens ?

          Because...
          First come some, then others. The former are now euphoric, they are winning, the latter are apathy ... they generally don't care.

          Well, not all Sergei .. The work is carried out in this direction.
          It's hard to see it on the site, but ..
          PS Appalon is not enough here .. He knew how to handle it.
          He died of a heart attack reading everything and everyone, as a moderator and a person .. How many years have passed, and I remember him, he knew how to calm people down and was very worried about everything and everyone

          Peace for everyone ! hi
          1. svp67
            svp67 16 October 2020 20: 43 New
            +3
            Quote: Gubernia
            PS Appalon is not enough here .. He knew how to handle it.

            Yes, it's a pity, there is something and someone to regret.
            1. Gubernia
              Gubernia 16 October 2020 21: 13 New
              +4
              Quote: svp67
              Quote: Gubernia
              PS Appalon is not enough here .. He knew how to handle it.

              Yes, it's a pity, there is something and someone to regret.

              He knew how to be between two fires of conflict in any situation ..
              At that time there were many Armenians and somehow they got along .. Now it's horror, some kind of
              You are afraid to write .. Immediately the crowd kicks and insults in PM ..
              I lived on the (Russian) website and before that, I am hiding, like Stirlitz is here ..
              And the boys here are kicking me in a crowd for simple comments and yelling .. PS It's time to dig trenches near the house, with a sniper point .. I won't be surprised if these come to our village ..
              This is how we live our bread and sharpen the pitchfork
              1. Albay
                Albay 16 October 2020 22: 06 New
                0
                Guberniya. Did you have the same nickname?
              2. karima
                karima 17 October 2020 09: 06 New
                +1
                Quote: Albay
                Guberniya. Did you have the same nickname?
                Seem Mikhanovo phenomenon to the people.
        2. Albay
          Albay 16 October 2020 22: 04 New
          -3
          Apollo and I were good friends, and I met him often.
          He died for a different reason.
          1. Gubernia
            Gubernia 16 October 2020 22: 09 New
            -2
            Quote: Albay
            Apollo and I were good friends, and I met him often.
            He died for a different reason.

            Got it .. Well, once you said continue .. I don't like such riddles, you are clearly from ..
            Well, let's write or weak?
            1. Albay
              Albay 16 October 2020 23: 01 New
              -1
              Guberniya
              If you knew Appalonne, then you know me, and if you know me, then you know that you shouldn't take me for nothing.
              I'm not going to write about personal here, especially if not about myself.
      2. vladcub
        vladcub 16 October 2020 21: 59 New
        +2
        Sergei, corresponds to the law of physics: in one vessel it decreases, and in another it arrives. So it is here.
        And if the Armenians start pushing, then our picture will change too
  • Seal
    Seal 16 October 2020 19: 07 New
    -1
    Originally? What is "primordial"? If you do not take into account prehistoric times, when the Armenians grazed mammoths, the picture is as follows. From the 1897 Census.

    1. Oquzyurd
      Oquzyurd 16 October 2020 19: 21 New
      +4
      Please open the necessary points. But here not everyone understands this table.
      1. Seal
        Seal 19 October 2020 10: 41 New
        0
        Quote: Oquzyurd
        Please open the necessary points. But here not everyone understands this table.

        Yes, ordinary The first general census of the population of the Russian Empire in 1897
        Section: "Population distribution by faith and region".
        Here is the link.
        http://www.demoscope.ru/weekly/ssp/rus_rel_97.php
  • Otshelnik
    Otshelnik 16 October 2020 20: 26 New
    +2
    "Originally" they lived there after the Russian Empire settled them there 150-170 years ago ...
    1. Jager
      Jager 17 October 2020 15: 37 New
      0
      Again Russia is to blame ...
  • Albay
    Albay 16 October 2020 22: 20 New
    -1
    Svp67 Armenians originally lived, you mean probably after the resettlement from Peosia in the 19th century?))
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 17 October 2020 11: 06 New
    0
    Nakhichevan held out, at one time, only thanks to guarantees from the Turks.
  • KARAKURT777
    KARAKURT777 19 October 2020 08: 37 New
    0
    This word "primordial" is very popular among Armenians. All the lands there are primordially Azerbaijani. Where were the Armenians when the Karabakh khan concluded an agreement with the Russians?
  • vadson
    vadson 16 October 2020 18: 23 New
    +7
    Aliyev will give a couple of days for the refugees to leave the city, and then he will simply level him to the face of the earth, and then he will say - who did not hide, I am not to blame, he does not need Armenians there
    1. Albay
      Albay 16 October 2020 22: 21 New
      -2
      Vadson.
      With the approach of the Azerbaijani army, they will run away, just as they fled from Hadrut.
  • FerrariStradale
    FerrariStradale 16 October 2020 18: 24 New
    +5
    90% of Karabakh are mountains covered with forests, there is no such thing as a front ... There is a 360-degree threat
  • WILL
    WILL 16 October 2020 18: 36 New
    +5
    I doubt very much that Azerbaijanis will risk getting involved in street fights, this is not a UAV to launch. And Stepanakert is not a small city, 25,5 square kilometers, I think it is ready for a siege. Direct clashes at the level of small arms are more convenient for Armenians! At the same time, superiority (technical) is not so important, fighting spirit and motivation are important, and for the Armenians, if the city is defended, it will be much higher. The main thing is that Mirnyak has time to leave the city. So that there were no unnecessary sacrifices among women, old people and children.
    1. Albay
      Albay 16 October 2020 22: 25 New
      -2
      Tutsan
      Why did you decide that it would be convenient for Armenians to fight in Khankendi?)
      Where was the fighting spirit of the Armenians in Gadruga and in the villages around it?)
      Why did the terminators abandon these settlements?))
      Next to Pegov, they showed off with cool sniper rifles, and ran away the next day.))
      They always had the courage to fight with warriors and children.
    2. Viktor.N.Aleksandrov.
      Viktor.N.Aleksandrov. 16 October 2020 22: 27 New
      0
      If Azerbaijan manages to free Shusha, Stepan will be finished. From the mountain, soldiers can be shot one by one.
  • credo
    credo 16 October 2020 18: 45 New
    +5
    Quote: svp67
    If now the front collapses, and it is close to this and the Azerbaijani army manages to cut the roads leading from Armenia to Karabakh, then the chance that they will try to take Stepanakert is high and if they do not even take it right away, they will complete the blockade.
    Until Russia connects, Azerbaijan will do whatever it wants, and the Army will answer with everything it can

    It's hard to say who you can trust, but in my opinion, on yesterday's map, Azerbaijan occupied small areas from the north-east and south-east, without going into the rear of the NKAO, so either it surrounds the NKAO and thus block the NKAO from all sides or go head-on. attack on Stepanakert.
    Perhaps we do not have all the information, but it seems that Azerbaijan's complete victory over the local Armenians is still far away.
    1. Albay
      Albay 16 October 2020 23: 04 New
      -3
      Credo
      Hadrut and the villages of the Khojavend region are already NKAO.
  • OgnennyiKotik
    OgnennyiKotik 16 October 2020 19: 43 New
    0
    Quote: svp67
    they will try to take Stepanakert high and if they do not even take it right away, they will complete it with a blockade.

    Yes. Most likely they will go to the world. The "original" territories of Azerbaijan (yellow, pale red) will be returned to Azerbaijan, and Peacekeepers will be brought into the territory of Karabakh.
  • Albay
    Albay 16 October 2020 22: 02 New
    -2
    Svp67
    The author does not know at all that military operations are already taking place directly in Nagorno-Karabakh? I often don’t understand how articles are missed here without reading them? Hadrut and the Khojaved region are Nagorno-Karabakh. The Azerbaijani army went to Khojavend, to the Red Bazaar, to Azykh. at this stage there are other tasks and not blocking the road from Armenia, although it is on the agenda, but I think it is not the most important one now.
  • Albay
    Albay 16 October 2020 22: 08 New
    -4
    Svp67

    The southern front has already collapsed.
  • garik77
    garik77 16 October 2020 23: 50 New
    +1
    And then Azerbaijan will get its Afghanistan, in the mountains it is like a couple of fingers on the asphalt .. But it will be later. And for some reason Aliyev does not think about this.
    1. Albay
      Albay 17 October 2020 00: 16 New
      -3
      Garik, don't talk nonsense, what partisans are without local violence. Well, don't compare Armenians with Afghans.))
      The biggest thing in the next hundred years will be whining that they were defeated by aliens.
      1. garik77
        garik77 19 October 2020 12: 59 New
        -1
        There are Karabakh Armenians, something, but they know how to fight. The history of the Second World War will not let you lie.
  • Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
    Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 17 October 2020 20: 36 New
    -3
    Quote: svp67
    Until Russia connects,

    in the role of whom?
  • FerrariStradale
    FerrariStradale 16 October 2020 18: 12 New
    +1
    Azerbaijan was able to capture only bald territories. And further into the depths forests begin. So, judging by the video the day before yesterday where the Armenians killed 62 Azerbaijani soldiers in the forest in 5 minutes, the situation is not so victorious for Aliyev.
    1. Asad
      Asad 16 October 2020 18: 17 New
      +1
      Link please.
      1. FerrariStradale
        FerrariStradale 16 October 2020 18: 20 New
        +7
        Enter in YouTube The Northern Frontline of Artsakh
      2. Artavazdych
        Artavazdych 16 October 2020 18: 58 New
        0
        https://youtu.be/KiL6CdXjku8
        Not recommended for the faint of heart
        1. Egor53
          Egor53 16 October 2020 20: 25 New
          +6
          Thanks Victor for the link. https://youtu.be/KiL6CdXjku8
          These are not combat losses, but an unambiguous execution of prisoners of war, i.e. war crime. Those who filmed it and showed it - it's simple.
          Judge for yourself, if the battle lasted 3 - 5 minutes, and without the use of artillery from the Armenian side, the Azerbaijani soldiers would have fled through the forest. And they all lie there in heaps, and mostly face down.
          By the way, there are practically no wounds to the body on the corpses, and no blood is visible on the bodies.
          These Azerbaijani prisoners of war were simply shot in the head with pistols. Already unarmed were shot.
          1. Artavazdych
            Artavazdych 16 October 2020 20: 59 New
            -6
            Well do not disgrace yourself
          2. OgnennyiKotik
            OgnennyiKotik 17 October 2020 00: 31 New
            -3
            Yes. This is the execution of prisoners. There are no signs of a fight.
          3. MKPU-115
            MKPU-115 21 October 2020 11: 53 New
            0
            Quote: Egor53
            These are not combat losses, but an unambiguous execution of prisoners of war,

            This is a competent ambush and dagger fire (at close range) from small arms.
            Apparently, the Azeri unit did not deploy the State Duma (head patrol) and ran into a fire ambush. 1st course VU, BUSV (platoon, squad, tank).
            Learn military science in the real way, the combat manual of the ground forces is written in blood.
        2. Egor53
          Egor53 16 October 2020 20: 26 New
          +3
          Thanks Victor for the link. https://youtu.be/KiL6CdXjku8
          These are not combat losses, but an unambiguous execution of prisoners of war, i.e. war crime. Those who filmed and showed it are just ... not very smart people.
          Judge for yourself, if the battle lasted 3 - 5 minutes, and without the use of artillery from the Armenian side, the Azerbaijani soldiers would have fled through the forest. And they all lie there in heaps, and mostly face down.
          By the way, there are practically no wounds to the body on the corpses, and no blood is visible on the bodies.
          These Azerbaijani prisoners of war were simply shot in the head with pistols. Already unarmed were shot.
          1. aslanxnumx
            aslanxnumx 16 October 2020 22: 56 New
            +1
            An additional touch is that it is not possible to download this video from YouTube. I wouldn't be surprised if it gets deleted soon.
            1. Artavazdych
              Artavazdych 16 October 2020 23: 04 New
              +1
              This video is not for distribution - such installation of the video for ethical reasons. The author did it himself, plus age restrictions
        3. Seal
          Seal 19 October 2020 11: 36 New
          -1
          Also not recommended for the faint of heart.
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZrrK5BiQyI&bpctr=1603098188
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 16 October 2020 18: 31 New
      -6
      The forest of Armenians from drones with infrared cameras will not save them from air and artillery attacks.
      1. Artavazdych
        Artavazdych 16 October 2020 18: 37 New
        0
        IR cameras do not work in the forest)))
        And what is aerial artillery fire? And how do they differ from non-soulful ones?
    3. Albay
      Albay 17 October 2020 00: 18 New
      0
      This is an old video from October 1st.
      Are there bald mountains in and around Hadrut?
      Are bald mountains in Agdera and Sugovushan?)))
      Well, let's see))
  • Gato
    Gato 16 October 2020 18: 26 New
    +3
    The assault on a city, even a small one, especially if it is not completely blocked from all sides, is an extremely difficult and operation
    1. t-12
      t-12 16 October 2020 19: 24 New
      +3
      Why storm the city? Azerbaijanis will occupy the commanding heights and gouge Stepanakert with artillery. Until now, they have done so.
    2. Albay
      Albay 17 October 2020 00: 21 New
      -1
      Gato

      I agree.
      In general, it is difficult to wage war in the mountains and in the forest.
      I absolutely agree that the tasks are difficult.
      This is not an easy war and the Azerbaijani army was preparing for it.
      It remains to see how they succeed.
      So far, they are doing their job well.
  • Fon elia
    Fon elia 16 October 2020 18: 29 New
    -4
    Azerbaijan does not need Khankyandi (Stepanakert). Shusha is the main goal. Heart and soul of Karabakh. As Ilham Heydarovich said, this is the Patriotic War for Azerbaijan. For 30 years they did not understand, now you will understand.
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        1. Keyser soze
          Keyser soze 16 October 2020 20: 00 New
          +5
          If you can't imagine the docks, then you are Kardashian near ...


          The Kardashians are pretty good laughing

          In a minute, I’ll give you all the docks for sure! I'm running! There were few Russians, French and Americans, and you wanted proof from me. Yes, you face the table and again you will not see anything ... gyonsurat. laughing

          In Hage, after the war, you will be shown the docks and everything else.
          1. Oquzyurd
            Oquzyurd 16 October 2020 20: 09 New
            -2
            Natural Kardashian, I knew it good
            1. Keyser soze
              Keyser soze 16 October 2020 20: 38 New
              0
              Natural Kardashian, and knew good


              (In Hage, don't forget about the Kardashians)

              Heh, even Islamic scientists and philosophers are preaching to Muslims to side with Armenia and punish the atheist Aliyev. Specifically, Sheikh Imran Hussein is a famous philosopher and Islamic eschatologist. All educated people are against you.

              1. Oquzyurd
                Oquzyurd 16 October 2020 21: 11 New
                +1
                lol What was that? Is it a dock huh? lol
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        1. vladcub
          vladcub 16 October 2020 22: 03 New
          +4
          And this is already a transition to personality, that honest companies are not welcome
      4. Runway
        Runway 16 October 2020 23: 21 New
        0
        A bearded anecdote about an agitator-party organizer and an exclamation from the audience "Have you been there?"
  • iouris
    iouris 16 October 2020 18: 30 New
    -2
    Of course, you can help, you just need to choose the path to Karabakh. There are two whole options: 1) Go through Azebarzhan (on the rear), 2) Go along the Georgian military road through Tbilisi (Georgia).
    1. Artavazdych
      Artavazdych 16 October 2020 18: 41 New
      +2
      3) from Istanbul
      1. 2 Level Advisor
        2 Level Advisor 16 October 2020 20: 22 New
        +2
        but what's really there to waste time on trifles ... 4) from Washington!
  • Vadim_888
    Vadim_888 16 October 2020 18: 35 New
    -1
    ... Will Aliyev give the order to storm Stepanakert:

    If Turkey supplies him with a sufficient number of militants, then he may give such an order, he is unlikely to throw his own people on the embrasure,
    For some reason, people here forget that the blood of war is money, and how soon will Aliyev run out of it?
    After an unsuccessful blitzkrieg, finances will quickly begin to hide,
    If the Armenians seem to be ready for an all-out war, then the Arzeybajans are not ...
    1. Mikhail m
      Mikhail m 16 October 2020 20: 59 New
      +8
      Quote: Vadim_888
      For some reason, people here forget that the blood of war is money, and how soon will Aliyev run out of it?

      Does Sargsyan have a bottomless pocket? Aliyev is doing better with money.
  • fedorina maria
    fedorina maria 16 October 2020 18: 37 New
    -3
    Erdogan has long been speaking through Aliyev's mouth. And it has long been necessary for everyone to understand that Putin lost to the Sultan in all respects. Erdogan calmly occupied part of Syria, calmly subjugated the Azeris, and calmly began the seizure of Karabakh with the hands of Azerbaijan. Erdogan just openly spits on all sorts of international lamentations and libels. He behaves like a strong and confident politician. He quarrels with the United States, is almost at war with Iran and Greece, seizes maritime territories, and insolently mocks Russia. Shows its place in the politics of the Caucasus and the Middle East. And these facts cannot be avoided. And he also sells his tomatoes to Russia, they only write Azerbaijani ones on them.
    1. Egor53
      Egor53 16 October 2020 21: 22 New
      +6
      "Erdogan has been speaking through Aliyev's mouth for a long time"
      Perhaps, though doubtful.
      Maria, who speaks through the mouth of the Armenian ... head of state? Aliyev speaks very competently and in good Russian. And Pashenyan speaks like an illiterate tradeswoman in the market, while constantly lying.
      1. vladcub
        vladcub 16 October 2020 22: 11 New
        +2
        It looks like Pashinyan himself is not happy when he began to piss off Azerbaijan.
        He probably thought it would all boil down to a shake of air
    2. Artavazdych
      Artavazdych 16 October 2020 23: 10 New
      +2
      Stolen from my lips)
  • Avior
    Avior 16 October 2020 18: 40 New
    +8
    ... the approach of the zone of active hostilities to the territory of Armenia is fraught with direct intervention in the conflict by Russia,

    If Azerbaijan does not start hostilities against Armenia, then there will be no formal reason for intervention.
    Until the situation is such that it does not start, he understands the consequences.
    And why should he?
    He needs Karabakh, not Armenia.
    1. fedorina maria
      fedorina maria 16 October 2020 18: 49 New
      -8
      You can find many reasons to interfere, but no one will interfere. Because the ears (trunks) of Erdogan are visible behind the Azeris. And at the moment, Putin has no way of dealing with Erdogan.
    2. Keyser soze
      Keyser soze 16 October 2020 19: 20 New
      +2
      then there will be no formal reason for intervention.


      Why is everyone here talking about Russian intervention? There was definitely no need for this and will not be needed. Enough to plant weapons on Armenians and Turks will be a big northern bummer ... laughing
      1. dust31
        dust31 16 October 2020 20: 44 New
        0
        so you podkinte, why are you trying to drag Russia all over?
      2. New Year day
        New Year day 17 October 2020 00: 09 New
        0
        Quote: Keyser Soze
        planted weapons on Armenians

        Which way? Through space?
        1. Keyser soze
          Keyser soze 17 October 2020 08: 27 New
          0
          Through space?


          It is possible, but it will be shorter through Iran.
          1. karima
            karima 17 October 2020 09: 20 New
            -1
            Quote: Keyser Soze
            It is possible, but it will be shorter through Iran.
            Iran announced that it is for Azerbaijan in this conflict, why are you making them liars?
    3. Egor53
      Egor53 16 October 2020 21: 24 New
      +4
      And if Armenia starts hostilities against Azerbaijan, then Azerbaijan has the right to respond. And there can be no talk of any interference from Russia. Why do we need to support these pro-American hacks?
      1. Pissarro
        Pissarro 16 October 2020 23: 49 New
        +3
        The Armenians will smash with Iskanders on the oil industry of Azerbaijan and pipelines to Turkey through Georgia, and the war will end immediately, as the money runs out. But another will begin. Since oil will run out at the same time for Turkey and Israel
        But Pashinyan won't blow it, it's scary
    4. Jager
      Jager 17 October 2020 15: 58 New
      0
      Who will provoke an all-out war will no longer matter, even a third party may try. Several Empires collapsed from one shot in 1914. Ottoman including.
  • Bersaglieri
    Bersaglieri 16 October 2020 18: 42 New
    -3
    Is that why all the heads of state-limitrophes are so fond of putting on a field uniform?
    1. Egor53
      Egor53 16 October 2020 23: 23 New
      0
      I understand them. I myself like to walk in camouflage clothes ... but in hunting clothes.
      1. Bersaglieri
        Bersaglieri 17 October 2020 11: 46 New
        +1
        During exercises or hunting, it is understandable, but the camouflage in the meeting room of the Government is nonsense.
    2. Bersaglieri
      Bersaglieri 17 October 2020 11: 45 New
      0
      The "Papuans" came over, nominated. Well, predictable :)
  • SaLaR
    SaLaR 16 October 2020 18: 44 New
    -1
    That's the whole point of the article ...Again, the approach of the zone of active hostilities to the territory of Armenia is fraught with direct intervention in the conflict by Russia, which will simply have to do this due to the obligations it has assumed under the CSTO... And if more succinctly, it sounds like this .. "Russians when you come to die instead us..
  • Mayor lee
    Mayor lee 16 October 2020 18: 48 New
    +3
    What's another blitzkrieg in the mountains?
  • Alien From
    Alien From 16 October 2020 19: 26 New
    +3
    Azerbaijanis are cunning. They try to get the locals to leave on their own.
    1. Gubernia
      Gubernia 16 October 2020 20: 20 New
      +2
      Quote: Alien From
      Azerbaijanis are cunning. They try to get the locals to leave on their own.

      It is this tactic that they have cunning, someone is working on the image of Azerbaijan in the world media and is not bad
      Who supplied high-tech weapons to Azerbaijan for a lot of money ... that's where the ears stick out from there ..)))
      How to squeeze the cunning out of the territory .. The template is known! It works well, it is not in vain that Azerbaijan paid such huge money .. Well, it’s not over yet.
      PS It all started with protests in Yerevan and Pashinyan's coming to power on the wave of anti-Russian protests ..
      How familiar wink
    2. Egor53
      Egor53 16 October 2020 23: 36 New
      +2
      In 7 occupied regions of Azerbaijan, all local people were Azerbaijanis ... before the Armenian occupation.
      Then the Armenians kicked them out, actually a million. How many Azerbaijanis were slaughtered by the Armenians - God only knows. In order to drive a million people from their homes, it is necessary to kill tens of thousands of people, and brutally.
      Now only Armenians live in these regions. In other people's houses ...
      If the Azerbaijanis will expel the Armenians from these 7 regions when the indigenous people return there, then it is not for me to condemn them.
      And not only Armenians should live in Karabakh.
      For Armenians, it somehow turns out that where they are in power, no one but Armenians lives.
      There are over 100 thousand Armenians in Istanbul, and how many Turks are there in Yerevan?
      There are more than 2 million Armenians in Russia, and in Armenia all Russian schools are closed.
      Maybe it's enough to talk about the 1915 genocide all the time in all our media? Well, he was, so what?
      Don't make white and fluffy Armenians. Not only were they subjected to genocide, but they were also a little involved in the genocide.
      1. Artavazdych
        Artavazdych 17 October 2020 00: 32 New
        0
        Are you capable of admitting that much of what you have written here is not true or not entirely true?
      2. karima
        karima 17 October 2020 09: 28 New
        0
        Quote: Egor53
        Then the Armenians kicked them out, actually a million. How many Azerbaijanis were slaughtered by the Armenians - God only knows. In order to drive a million people from their homes, it is necessary to kill tens of thousands of people, moreover, brutally. Now only Armenians live in these regions. In other people's houses ...
        The Azerbaijanis urgently need to deal with the documentation, hire a regiment of notaries, avdokats and historians. Or maybe they already.
  • 7,62h54
    7,62h54 16 October 2020 19: 34 New
    +3
    To which diaspora will the rogue Nicolas wash away, to Europe, or immediately to the states closer to the Kardashians?
    1. Gubernia
      Gubernia 16 October 2020 20: 29 New
      -1
      Quote: 7,62x54
      To which diaspora will the rogue Nicolas wash away, to Europe, or immediately to the states closer to the Kardashians?

      To Israel, most likely to the diaspora ... lol
      1. karima
        karima 17 October 2020 09: 30 New
        0
        Quote: Gubernia
        To Israel, most likely to the diaspora.
        Meehan, how can he go there if he recalled the ambassador from there?
        1. Gubernia
          Gubernia 17 October 2020 09: 37 New
          -1
          Quote: karima
          Quote: Gubernia
          To Israel, most likely to the diaspora.
          Meehan, how can he go there if he recalled the ambassador from there?

          If Karabakh surrenders, they will accept it and give more money ... There is a lot of money spinning Aliyev will arrange everything bully
    2. Bersaglieri
      Bersaglieri 16 October 2020 21: 32 New
      0
      In LA, there he has a house, EMNIP
    3. Egor53
      Egor53 16 October 2020 23: 40 New
      0
      Pashenyan will not be allowed to escape anywhere. He is a consumable item. They will bang him, their own. It is too stupid a creature for further use.
      1. Artavazdych
        Artavazdych 17 October 2020 00: 28 New
        -1
        I would like to believe that they are ours. Although Putin can again save, like Yanukovych, and the same Erdogan
  • fedorina maria
    fedorina maria 16 October 2020 19: 42 New
    0
    Karabakh may become the first nail in the coffin for the CSTO. And so this structure has no political unity. Only the ability to locate Russian military bases on the territory of other countries - that's all. Who believes that conditional Kazakhstan will fit in for Russia? I personally don't believe it. Kazakhstan has quietly banned both the Russian language and the Cyrillic alphabet, Russia silently swallowed it. There is no support from other members of the CSTO on issues of Abkhazia, Crimea ...
    Well, what a union it is .... And the vague position on Karabakh is generally a reason for Ukrainians to break up the Donbass. And what are the Ukrainians worse than Azeris ??
    1. t-12
      t-12 16 October 2020 19: 50 New
      +1
      Well, what about in Russia? Half (if not more) of the trade marks are in English, if Russian politicians talk about "modernization", "diversification" and "transparency." In general, the Russian elite has long been using English. What to blame for Kazakhstan?

      And about the CSTO ... NATO has a rule: only those countries that have resolved all border disputes are admitted to the alliance. Armenia was admitted to the CSTO without taking care of resolving the Karabakh issue. As a result, it is not clear whether Azerbaijan attacked Armenia or not; whether the CSTO treaty is valid here or not.
      1. Pissarro
        Pissarro 16 October 2020 23: 52 New
        -1
        Armenia and Azerbaijan have no territorial disputes. Everyone, including Armenia, recognizes Karabakh as Azerbaijani
    2. Andrey Mironov_rus
      Andrey Mironov_rus 16 October 2020 20: 13 New
      +5
      Does Russia need the CSTO itself? It seems to us like a fifth wheel of a cart. Judge for yourself. First, the military potential of the Russian Federation is an order of magnitude higher than all other members combined. They are of no use to us, they will not protect us in any way, but we ... supposedly owe them. We need allies of equal or similar capabilities, like Iran, India and China. And the former Sov. republics are such allies. And let's be honest, in the event of a big war for Russia, only Belarus will fit in, the rest will reject or only pretend to be helping ...
      The CSTO was formed in 1992 and has clearly outlived its own.
      1. fedorina maria
        fedorina maria 16 October 2020 20: 16 New
        -2
        Quite right ... but Putin needs a screen ...
        1. vladcub
          vladcub 16 October 2020 22: 22 New
          0
          And what does he gain from such a "screen"?
      2. Avior
        Avior 16 October 2020 20: 49 New
        +4
        India and China as allies are strong.
        Pakistan is still missing. What is finally confused, for whom to fight.
        1. Andrey Mironov_rus
          Andrey Mironov_rus 16 October 2020 20: 56 New
          +3
          I have not written that we need India and China as allies (together), read carefully. I gave an example of countries that suit us as an equal or close partner.
          1. Avior
            Avior 16 October 2020 21: 05 New
            +2
            And which of them, in your opinion, is ready to fight for Russia?
      3. Achilles
        Achilles 16 October 2020 21: 28 New
        +6
        Quote: Andrey Mironov_rus
        Does Russia need the CSTO itself? It seems to us like a fifth wheel of a cart.

        Are you all right with your head? If they get rid of the CSTO, then these countries will join NATO and what will you say then when there are missiles there that will have an even less flight time than now. Smart guy before writing nonsense, think first
      4. vladcub
        vladcub 16 October 2020 22: 18 New
        0
        "Russia has only two loyal allies: its army and navy" Alexander 3
      5. Nemchinov Vl
        Nemchinov Vl 16 October 2020 23: 38 New
        0
        Quote: Andrey Mironov_rus
        ... We need allies of equal or similar capabilities, like Iran, India and China.
        well, at the expense of China (as a reliable ally), I would not be greatly mistaken ... (!)... In any case, our distant ancestors 7528 years ago, it was precisely Arimia (China) that had to be compelled to conclude peace in the star temple ...
      6. New Year day
        New Year day 17 October 2020 00: 17 New
        +2
        Quote: Andrey Mironov_rus
        in the event of a big war for Russia, only Belarus will fit in,

        And this is the question! At the present moment, hardly
    3. frizzy
      frizzy 16 October 2020 21: 38 New
      -2
      Do not drive bullshit !! Multilingualism is welcomed in Kazakhstan. Russian, Kazakh, English, etc. And most importantly I come to the clinic and apply in English, and if they didn’t answer me and or at least don’t know that we can talk in another language, then I have the right to be such a nix raise that daddy do not cry ...
      1. vladcub
        vladcub 16 October 2020 22: 25 New
        0
        Fedorova has an opinion
    4. New Year day
      New Year day 17 October 2020 00: 14 New
      0
      Quote: Maria Fedorina
      Karabakh may become the first nail in the coffin for the CSTO.

      It has long been a ritual organization. Now it is being legitimized.
  • Egor53
    Egor53 16 October 2020 20: 05 New
    -4
    I have a proposal on how to end, and forever, the conflict in Karabakh.

    1. To conclude with Azerbaijan an agreement similar to the agreement with Armenia dated August 21, 1992, i.e. about military cooperation. I think that Aliyev will happily agree to such an agreement, with the full support of the Azerbaijani people.
    2. Transfer the Russian military base No. 102 from Armenia to Nagorno-Karabakh. It is enough to come to an agreement only with Azerbaijan.
    There is no need to ask either Armenia or Nagorno-Karabakh. If Armenia objects, then to plug its throat by military means - there will be no big casualties.
    Such a Russian military base in Karabakh will guarantee:
    2.1. Living in Karabakh of those 140 thousand (or how many there are) Armenians. If there is a Russian base, no one will commit genocide. This is much better than peacekeepers.
    2.2. And, what is much more important for Russia, the impossibility of creating military bases for the United States, Turkey, or any other NATO country not only in Azerbaijan, but also in Armenia.
    3. Withdraw all Armenian troops from 7 Azerbaijani regions occupied by Armenia. They will not leave themselves, so destroy. And return to these regions all Azerbaijanis whom the Armenians expelled from there. With the return of land and real estate.
    1. Oquzyurd
      Oquzyurd 16 October 2020 20: 13 New
      +2
      4. Karabakh as part of Azerbaijan.
      1. Egor53
        Egor53 16 October 2020 23: 43 New
        +1
        Karabakh is, legally, a part of Azerbaijan. Just temporarily occupied by Armenia. At the same time, it has not yet been recognized by her.
        But why do we need such "friends" as Armenia - I do not understand at all. This is contrary to the interests of my Motherland.
    2. 2 Level Advisor
      2 Level Advisor 16 October 2020 20: 30 New
      +3
      those. Are you proposing to actually enter the war on the side of Azerbaijan? brilliant, sir .. especially for the country of the ally of the Armenians in the CSTO .. ​​our authority "skyrockets"
    3. t-12
      t-12 16 October 2020 20: 32 New
      +2
      How does the Russian base guarantee the absence of genocide? This will not be a military battle, but a pinpoint terror: he shot a neighbor and ran away.

      And what to do with the Armenians expelled from Baku?
    4. faterdom
      faterdom 16 October 2020 22: 17 New
      +1
      And 5. Hit the "Armenian numbers" on Lexus and Akura cars that are not cleared by customs and are not subject to the video cameras of the Moscow Ring Road and the WHSD!
      Although ... I was late, it seems ...
      After all, this is not a violation of "allied obligations"? In my opinion, this is a step towards taming the lawlessness on the roads.
    5. Pissarro
      Pissarro 16 October 2020 23: 56 New
      0
      Awesome plan, to catch Armenian partisans in the mountains for decades. It is certainly possible, but why?
    6. New Year day
      New Year day 17 October 2020 00: 19 New
      0
      Quote: Egor53
      Aliyev will happily agree to such an agreement, with the full support of the Azerbaijani people.

      Excluded
      Quote: Egor53
      Transfer Russian military base No. 102 from Armenia to Nagorno-Karabakh.

      Especially
  • denis obuckov
    denis obuckov 16 October 2020 20: 18 New
    -1
    I wonder how about they are there on the front line, what are they more afraid of, coronavirus or an enemy bullet with a fragment?
  • Egor53
    Egor53 16 October 2020 20: 36 New
    0
    In general, the war is going on between Azerbaijan and Karabakh. Nobody is shelling the territory of Armenia. And the Azerbaijani one is being fired upon.
    I don't know if mercenaries are fighting on the side of Azerbaijan, but on the side of Karabakh the mercenaries are fighting for sure - from Armenia.
    1. fedorina maria
      fedorina maria 16 October 2020 20: 44 New
      -2
      Well, first of all, they have already hit Armenia, with a very high quality, having destroyed two tactical missile systems. Secondly, mercenaries who are recruited and paid by Turkey are fighting for the Azeris. Thirdly, a bunch of Turkish instructors, who most likely operate the drones themselves .. So it doesn't seem like an honest war here
      1. vladcub
        vladcub 16 October 2020 22: 29 New
        +1
        Vaughn is never honest. People always die
      2. New Year day
        New Year day 17 October 2020 00: 21 New
        -1
        Quote: Maria Fedorina
        mercenaries who are recruited and paid by Turkey are fighting for Azeris

        But the Armenian diaspora is also doing the same.
  • Otshelnik
    Otshelnik 16 October 2020 20: 38 New
    -4
    https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=3733685120028874&id=100001622678632 вот такие дела на сегодня
  • Igor Berg
    Igor Berg 16 October 2020 20: 40 New
    0
    "Again, the approach of the zone of active hostilities to the territory of Armenia is fraught with direct intervention in the conflict by Russia, which will simply be forced to do this due to the obligations it has assumed under the CSTO." Seriously?
    1. fedorina maria
      fedorina maria 16 October 2020 20: 48 New
      -4
      They say that after the deadlines were reset, all obligations, vows and promises were canceled. !! :)
      1. vladcub
        vladcub 16 October 2020 22: 31 New
        0
        What is the relationship of "zeroing" to the events in Karabakh?
    2. Egor53
      Egor53 16 October 2020 23: 49 New
      +2
      Russia's obligations under the CSTO boil down to the fact that if a member of this organization is attacked, then Russia is obliged to protect this member. And if this member himself attacked someone, then what does Russia have to do with it?
      Armenia will take it and attack China .... or Mars.
  • Pavlos Melas
    Pavlos Melas 16 October 2020 20: 48 New
    +2
    Why take Stepanakert when you need to take the Lachin corridor and that's it. Tough blockade and squeeze Karabakh autonomy on the sly.
  • bobwings
    bobwings 16 October 2020 20: 50 New
    +8
    The steadfastness and skill of the Armenian Moldovans is greatly exaggerated, not without the help of the Armenian agitprop and sympathizers on Russian TV. Hadrut was called almost the Karabakh Stalingrad, which will be surrendered under no circumstances. In reality, the footage of the liberated city shows a different picture, almost whole houses, in many of them even glass in the windows, no barricades, congestion, traces of heavy street fighting. Lots of civilian cars on the streets, including BMWs and the like. And where are these notorious defenders, where is the Armenian house of Pavlov ... or rather Aratyunyan)).
    Last week there were footage of an absolutely whole abandoned battery of howitzers, with ammunition, a communications vehicle and so on. They all abandoned and ran away ... Armenian firmness turned out to be a complete fiction.
    1. Viktor.N.Aleksandrov.
      Viktor.N.Aleksandrov. 16 October 2020 22: 42 New
      +3
      Which Stalingrad? Hadrut is a small urban-type settlement, moreover, located in a valley between the dominant heights. It is enough to take at least one of these heights and all the defenders and most of the population will flee from there. And the population there is only Armenians. Azerbaijanis left in 1990 (mainly to Fizuli).
  • svoit
    svoit 16 October 2020 21: 51 New
    0
    This war on the scale of both Armenia and Azerbaijan is not "small" at all, not to mention the NKR. There is no need to storm Stepanokert, it is enough to blockade and knock out all the equipment. Russia can get involved only if Armenia is subjected to aggression, if it itself shells the Azerbaijani territory, it will do it alone.
  • svoit
    svoit 16 October 2020 21: 59 New
    0
    Quote: Avior
    If Azerbaijan does not start military operations against Armenia

    Mutual shelling of the territory near the border may begin, without crossing it
  • Sergey Obraztsov
    Sergey Obraztsov 16 October 2020 22: 17 New
    +3
    The question is this. After Crimea became part of Russia, the latter had to invest a huge amount of money and resources in the restoration and development of the region (and this despite the fact that Crimea went to the whole and invisible. What will Azerbaijan do with Karabakh with a bunch of problems in the economy this year due to falling prices for oil and covid ... And after the war, it will be necessary to pour in a lot of money into the army, replenishing the losses ... The Turks will not help here, they themselves have problems to their butts with the payment of the external debt.
    1. t-12
      t-12 17 October 2020 12: 40 New
      0
      Quote: Sergey Obraztsov
      What Azerbaijan will do with Karabakh

      Azerbaijan will not do anything. It is unlikely that the residents of Baku will go en masse for permanent residence in Karabakh. Accordingly, nothing needs to be restored and developed. It is enough to hang out the Azerbaijani flags and rejoice at the victory, that's all.
  • Gubernia
    Gubernia 16 October 2020 22: 20 New
    +2
    With Pashinyan (he is a protege of the anti-Russian forces), Armenia will not succeed and Russia does not want to subscribe to this (as he yelled "down with Russia, etc.)
    Azerbaijan is still more neutral ... like Israel
    So we are thinking now in Russia .. is it worth it?
    Here in Syria it is clear there .. everything
    Study Armenia if you want to live as a state, etc.
  • Victorm
    Victorm 16 October 2020 22: 22 New
    -2
    Quote: Maria Fedorina
    Erdogan has long been speaking through Aliyev's mouth. And it has long been necessary for everyone to understand that Putin lost to the Sultan in all respects. Erdogan calmly occupied part of Syria, calmly subjugated the Azeris, and calmly began the seizure of Karabakh with the hands of Azerbaijan. Erdogan just openly spits on all sorts of international lamentations and libels. He behaves like a strong and confident politician. He quarrels with the United States, is almost at war with Iran and Greece, seizes maritime territories, and insolently mocks Russia. Shows its place in the politics of the Caucasus and the Middle East. And these facts cannot be avoided. And he also sells his tomatoes to Russia, they only write Azerbaijani ones on them.

    You are wrong because you think linearly and do not understand politics in general, from the word at all.

    The liberation of the occupied territories by armed means for Azerbaijan would be impossible without the loyal position of Russia. This war is in the interests of Russia, its course and results suit it, otherwise there would be rather tough measures against Azerbaijan. Armenia simply abused for a long time the patronage and patience of Russia, namely Russia is the main author and initiator of the adoption of the same and so-called basic principles, from which Armenia in every possible way evaded. While the power in Armenia was still in power in the least loyal to Russia, Armenia got away with it. Even not under Pashinyan, but under Sargsyan, Armenia received a harsh shout when trying to sign an agreement with the European Union, many have simply forgotten about it, and Uncle Vova does not forget anything, then more, and Pashinyan simply overflowed the cup of patience.

    And everything that happens by the way is a precedent - for the first time after a series of losses, without its literal and direct participation, Russia decides the issue in a way favorable to itself, moreover, more than one issue and at the same time wipes its nose to the States.
    1. fedorina maria
      fedorina maria 16 October 2020 22: 35 New
      -6
      Oh, you can see a fan of Putin's policies. With his games he missed Ukraine, almost lost Belarus, got mired in sanctions, got stuck in Syria - everything is puffed up, cheeks blowing, but the sense is 0. Erdogan will soon throw him again. And he will remain at the broken trough. Maybe you will come with arguments in which you will prove the advantages of supporting Erdogan in Karabakh? And the US Erdogan wipes his nose, not Putin ..
  • Victorm
    Victorm 16 October 2020 22: 58 New
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    Quote: Maria Fedorina
    Well, first of all, they have already hit Armenia, with a very high quality, having destroyed two tactical missile systems.
    First, THREE OTRKs were destroyed, two at night, and another OTRK Tochka-U in the morning. Moreover, it is very likely that it was Russia itself that warned Azerbaijan about such plans.

    Quote: Maria Fedorina
    Secondly, mercenaries who are recruited and paid by Turkey are fighting for the Azeris.
    Secondly, even before the outbreak of hostilities, the Armenians made several voyages to Iraq, negotiating with the Kurds. Azerbaijan officially declared back then that it knew the plans to transfer the militants of the Kurdish Workers' Party (PKK) to Karabakh, and they were indeed transferred. All the Armenian nonsense about some Turkomans or Arabs from Syria just started after that, to cover up the use of mercenaries by their side, as they say - an attack is the best defense.
    But, you know, having a diaspora and influence does not always mean having brains. Let me explain. Azerbaijan, in contrast to Armenia, once joined the "International Convention against the Recruitment, Use, Financing and Training of Mercenaries" adopted by General Assembly resolution 44/34 on December 4, 1989. https://www.un.org/ru/documents/decl_conv/conventions/mercen.shtml
    Armenia, by the way, no. I have already posted here photos of killed Kurdish militants, I will repeat and add, since the previous one was not enough:





    From the Armenian side, so far ZERO has confirmed its fakes about the alleged participation of Islamists and jihadists from Syria on the side of Azerbaijan. The videos that the Armenian Ministry of Defense and the special services have quickly concocted do not stand up to criticism.

    Quote: Maria Fedorina
    Thirdly, a bunch of Turkish instructors, who most likely operate the drones themselves .. So it doesn't seem like an honest war here
    Third, you confuse the end with the beginning. Azerbaijan mastered UAVs and their production, including drums, earlier than Turkey. Also, a system for training drone operators BEFORE Turkey was created in Azerbaijan. It should be noted that before the outbreak of hostilities, the Azerbaijani Armed Forces had more UAVs than the Turkish Armed Forces, and this is the second largest army in NATO.

    Quote: Maria Fedorina
    So it doesn't smell like an honest war here
    Also a delusion.
    The Armed Forces of Azerbaijan, taking into account the fact that they are advancing, and even in mountainous terrain or with difficult terrain, in positions which the enemy has been controlling and preparing for their defense for more than a quarter of a century, do not have the numerical superiority over the the number of personnel, not in equipment and heavy weapons. At the same time, if Armenia can use almost 3/4 of its Armed Forces in battles, since there is a 102 base of the Russian Armed Forces on its territory, in fact, ensuring its security with its mere presence, Azerbaijan does not have such luxury and it must keep a rather impressive part of its forces for defense in other directions, not using in the combat zone.
    The superiority of the Azerbaijani army, over the Armenian army, is QUALITATIVE, but here, sorry, Armenia had no problems and she could, if she wanted, have the same level of its armed forces, since this superiority is primarily related to the level of training of military personnel from a soldier to senior officers.
    There are no Turkish instructors in the combat formations of the Azerbaijani Armed Forces, just as there are no advisers in the General Staff.
    1. Pissarro
      Pissarro 17 October 2020 00: 05 New
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      ... There are no Turkish instructors in the combat formations of the Azerbaijani Armed Forces, as well as there are no advisers in the General Staff.


      I agree with many of you written, but not with that. No friendly force will refuse to gain practical combat experience or give advice to an ally. And advisers, and special forces, and technical specialists should be there simply by definition. Not for fighting. For experience
  • Victorm
    Victorm 16 October 2020 23: 07 New
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    Quote: svoit
    This war on the scale of both Armenia and Azerbaijan is not "small" at all, not to mention the NKR. There is no need to storm Stepanokert, it is enough to blockade and knock out all the equipment.
    Yes, in relation to the size of Azerbaijan and Armenia, to the size of their armed forces, to the capabilities of their economies, this is a LARGE conflict for them.
    Khankendi (Stepanakert) has already left most of the civilian population and continues to leave, according to the local authorities, for example, more than 80% of the population has left Shusha.
    According to media reports, significant problems have already arisen with the accommodation of refugees from Karabakh in Yerevan and Armenia.
    The assault will take place if, as a result of Armenia's position and refusal to follow the basic principles, which it signed, the conflict continues. The assault on Khankendi does not represent the difficulties that are described here. This will not be a "storming of Grozny," then the Russian army was not the same as it is today, but today the Azerbaijani army is clearly higher than the level of the Russian army during the first Chechen period. But most likely, the Armenians, being outflanked, will continue to abandon the cities and villages under the threat of encirclement, as it was before, and Khankendi will hardly be an exception here.
    1. nobody75
      nobody75 17 October 2020 19: 23 New
      +1
      and today the Azerbaijani army is clearly higher than the level of the Russian army of the period of the first Chechen

      Where is your front-line aviation?
      Where is your satellite constellation?
      Sincerely
  • New Year day
    New Year day 17 October 2020 00: 38 New
    +1
    Quote: Pissarro
    Alas, the Syrian group will have to be supplied by air

    Is there a BTA? How many engines will you choose when driving through Iran?
  • Victorm
    Victorm 17 October 2020 00: 46 New
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    Quote: Pissarro
    ... There are no Turkish instructors in the combat formations of the Azerbaijani Armed Forces, as well as there are no advisers in the General Staff.


    I agree with many of you written, but not with that. No friendly force will refuse to gain practical combat experience or give advice to an ally. And advisers, and special forces, and technical specialists should be there simply by definition. Not for fighting. For experience

    The Azerbaijani army still has a lot to learn from the Turkish and it is learning, but besides, our officers during my service, in turn, taught Turkish soldiers.
    If we discard everything that the Armenian agitprop now carries, and talk about the realities, then our army is unique in its own way, since the experience of the armed forces of different countries was generalized, introduced and applied, ranging from the ceased existence of the USSR and ending with the same Russia, Ukraine and Turkey. Our officers were trained in military educational institutions of several countries, not only in Turkey. But the experience was not applied automatically, but only after analysis, for example, despite all the statements that we have an army of "NATO" type, switched to "NATO standards", look at the structure and staffing of our units, there is nothing "NATO", but in preparation and management, much has been taken through cooperation with NATO. "Russia is an ally of Armenia", but our officers have studied and continue to study at Russian military universities, Russian officers are frequent guests in Azerbaijan.
    If, for example, I had a "Russian school" and experience behind me, the Turks could not show me anything new, studying their army as a potential enemy of Russia, knew perfectly the features and nuances, regulations, tactics, staff of their units, equipment and weapons in service and etc., etc. But the Israelis seemed to me more interesting, they did not train our officers, at least in my specialty, and did not pass on any experience, but we had the opportunity to observe and analyze, impose practical observations on theoretical knowledge, generalize and again introduce and use.
    Plus we are still an army of a sovereign state smile and not a courtyard, even for, well, if not a military ally, then about like Turkey. We had and still have our secrets, besides there were and are obligations to third countries, the same Russia, or Israel, since we received, though in export version, the most modern and perfect equipment.

    From this I think you will understand why now Azerbaijan simply does not need either Turkish special forces, or advisers or observers - we do not show everything even to the Turks, besides, we are barely discarding the fake about Arab jihadists, there was still not enough Turkish prisoner or his body to die hit the enemy. Then the agitprop of Armenia will simply shout at every crossroads, saying that Turkey is fighting for Azerbaijan. So, even the most naive people on this resource read the "widow's letter", but what to take from the layman? After all, it will not reach him that almost all of our Su-25 and MiG-29 are single-seater, well, there is no way for ours to fly with the Turks, and even "turning off the catapult" laughing We need to be as careful as possible, the Armenians on the battlefield will not say that there is nothing, they are good warriors, although not the most powerful enemy, but in the media space and in the information war they are on horseback, so no Turks, no Arabs, special forces were hammered into "ears" and playing football with Armenian heads. In short, there was nothing to complain about, otherwise, failing to take away victory in a battle, they will take it away with their tongue, and for more than a quarter of a century we have been waiting for the moment when we can calmly return our territories.
  • Victorm
    Victorm 17 October 2020 01: 07 New
    -3
    Armenia again struck with Scads / OTRK Elbrus / on Gadzha (Kirovobad) and Mingechaur. In Mingechevir, one missile was shot down, apparently the one that was going to the dam, in Ganja at least one missile again stupidly struck a residential area, large destruction, apparently many victims - now there is a live broadcast from Ganja from the place of impact.

    What to say? Hague? - I don’t want to, just if only everyone would fall into our hands alive.

    It remains only to ask the Almighty to make it possible to pass, at least somehow get there. This sitting in the distance, when you can not think about anything else and all day long on the news, this torment is worse than a hundred deaths.

    Who else is asking or thinking about the "storming of Stepanakert" - forget it ...
  • Victorm
    Victorm 17 October 2020 02: 27 New
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    The wreckage of the rocket was shown live when it was detected by rescuers, it was definitely an operational tactical rocket and it was more likely to hit the Elbrus OTRK by the presence of a tank. So far, 5 bodies have been removed, two children, more than 30 wounded.
    It's time to rename the article to:

    Will Aliyev give the order to strike at Yerevan: reflections on "red lines"
    1. nobody75
      nobody75 17 October 2020 18: 48 New
      +1
      Excuse me, but your generals - those who studied in the best academies - did not know why the Elbrus-Scuds were used in the Iran-Iraqi war of cities? Some forum members who "waited too long" about the war of cities wrote that it was a gesture of despair of the losing side ... Don't you want to reach them?
      Sincerely
    2. nobody75
      nobody75 17 October 2020 19: 17 New
      +1
      Will Aliyev give the order to strike at Yerevan: reflections on "red lines"

      Do you understand that the Armenians have a nuclear power plant ... and they probably have already made a "dirty bomb" ... What do you think, why do they need Iskanders? Can you imagine the consequences of the radioactive contamination of the Mingechevir reservoir. Does the VUS not allow you to calculate inconvenient options for the enemy's actions?
      Sincerely
  • nobody75
    nobody75 17 October 2020 18: 39 New
    -2
    "The Glorious Warrior, Prince Eugene, promised the monks in Vienna that he would give them Belgrade." For now ... In the north, the search for the Murovdag region with the occupation of "strategic heights" ended in nothing, in the south we will wait for the capture of Fizuli - Osgiliat of Karabakh. In case of its fall, the Azerbaijani army will be able to secure its communications ... But what next? It is already clear that they will not climb into the mountains in the south, since the Armenians completed the formation of two corps on the border. Incidentally, this is evidenced by the "starfall on shoulder straps." It would be suicidal to climb into the mountains without putting up a barrier on the Armenian border, and the Azerbaijani army never reached it. Climb mountains without "turntables" and light infantry landings? It is necessary to split the corps into BTG and RTG and advance along the mountain roads. As Denikin wrote in his memoirs: "You had to hit with your fist, but they hit them with spread fingers." If the Azerbaijanis do this, they can get a blow to the rear from Armenia. In the meantime, their grouping in the south is forced to be on the move all the time so as not to get hit by the MLRS. Therefore, they seize "vegetable gardens" - to which they can reach and where they are allowed. But will they be able to leave garrisons in the captured settlements and hold them?
    I do not know ...
    Sincerely
  • nobody75
    nobody75 17 October 2020 22: 03 New
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    "The Republic of Armenia and the Republic of Azerbaijan have agreed on a humanitarian truce starting from 00.00:18 local time, October XNUMX"
    Dear Friends Azerbaijanis! If everything is so good in the south, why do you need it ?! The second time, write that Pashinyan asked him?
    Sincerely
  • Victorm
    Victorm 17 October 2020 23: 30 New
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    Quote: nobody75
    and today the Azerbaijani army is clearly higher than the level of the Russian army of the period of the first Chechen

    Where is your front-line aviation?
    Where is your satellite constellation?
    Sincerely

    There is a satellite constellation, by the way, Russia did not have it in the Chechen war.
    Manned aircraft are cherished and they work very selectively, so far there have been only two cases of the use of the Su-25. MiG-29s are constantly on duty, constraining the actions of the Armenian Su-25s by substituting them under the air defense system and, as you can see, a pair of Armenian Su-25s was successfully destroyed.
    Unmanned aircraft works great.
    In a short period of time, the enemy forces were destroyed, which were several times larger in quality and twice the average number of illegal armed groups in Chechnya.
    What does not suit you in this?
    1. nobody75
      nobody75 18 October 2020 10: 42 New
      +1
      There is a satellite constellation, by the way, Russia did not have it in the Chechen war.

      Excuse me, what does it mean was not? During the second campaign, intelligence and communications went through it. And the first company began striking aviation at the airfield and the center of Grozny. If we take the second war in Chechnya, then after the end of the fighting on the plain, Troshev climbed into the mountains. And while he was cutting illegal armed groups in the mountains, "crocodiles", Ka - 50, Mi - 8 and Mi - 26 were working.
      You protect manned aircraft - from what? According to your reports, the NKR air defense was destroyed at least 2 times. Armenian fighter aircraft is not used - the sky is "clear" .... Or is it not so?
  • Victorm
    Victorm 18 October 2020 00: 03 New
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    Quote: nobody75
    "The Republic of Armenia and the Republic of Azerbaijan have agreed on a humanitarian truce starting from 00.00:18 local time, October XNUMX"
    Dear Friends Azerbaijanis! If everything is so good in the south, why do you need it ?! The second time, write that Pashinyan asked him?
    Sincerely
    What doesn't suit you in the South?
    First, the exchange of bodies is needed.
    Secondly, if the Armenians, under pressure and the number of their losses, are not even now, the next time they will leave 3 out of 5 districts, what's wrong with that? Our fighters also gave birth to mothers, they were not cloned, everyone's life is priceless for us. It will be just great if we take 3 more districts without losses and go to the border with Armenia from the South. The formation of new units that will occupy these areas will end without haste.
    Thirdly, the discipline in the armed formations of Armenia, and the fact that there is less and less reminiscent of the army, the armed forces, very low, will themselves substitute for the continuation of the fighting.
    Fourthly, even if in the process of exchanging bodies, they raise reserves, they will be destroyed on the march or in areas of concentration, everything is simpler.

    If you step back and look at the actions of Azerbaijan, there is something controversial in the details, there are some individual failures, but in general everything is great.
    1. nobody75
      nobody75 18 October 2020 10: 52 New
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      What doesn't suit you in the South?

      Strategic impasse. It was outlined a week ago. I wrote about this, as well as about the "war of cities" - nobody cared. All "threw their caps into the air." As it is now.
      Secondly, if the Armenians, under pressure and the number of their losses, are not even now, the next time they will leave 3 out of 5 districts, what's wrong with that? Our fighters also gave birth to mothers, they were not cloned, everyone's life is priceless for us. It will be just great if we take 3 more districts without losses and go to the border with Armenia from the South

      Excuse me, will you go to the mountains or to the border? Or two hares?
      Thirdly, the discipline in the armed formations of Armenia, and the fact that there is less and less reminiscent of the army, the armed forces, very low, will themselves substitute for the continuation of the fighting.

      I hear this song from the first day of battles from every iron ... And today is 18.10.2020/XNUMX/XNUMX And the defense has not yet collapsed.
      Fourthly, even if in the process of exchanging bodies, they raise reserves, they will be destroyed on the march or in areas of concentration, everything is simpler.

      And now they are fighting with what forces? Judging by your cartoons, you knock them out 200 people a day. One of two things - either reserves pull up or "cartoons" - miracles of animation .... Or both
      Sincerely
  • Victorm
    Victorm 18 October 2020 00: 17 New
    -1
    Quote: nobody75
    Excuse me, but your generals - those who studied in the best academies - did not know why the Elbrus-Scuds were used in the Iran-Iraqi war of cities? Some forum members who "waited too long" about the war of cities wrote that it was a gesture of despair of the losing side ... Don't you want to reach them?
    Sincerely

    Everything has its time. Now we need to act in the same way as we started, so that the mosquito does not undermine the nose, and there are no additional opportunities to put pressure on Azerbaijan.
    The more Armenians commit atrocities out of the habit of impunity, the more and more open the eyes of many, this is not the beginning of the 90s and not the time of newspapers, but the time of the Internet, there are many opportunities to convey information bypassing all kinds of nightingales and Simonyans, information is received promptly, everyone sees everything in real time.

    Azerbaijan one by one breaks myths and stereotypes. There were Hai stories about the mythical spirit of the Armenian warrior, they were flushed down the toilet, there were stories about atrocities and, out of habit, they sculpt fakes - it is already flushed there, there were fakes about mercenaries - the same story, the Kurds are increasingly flickering, their bodies fall to us, and the Syrians as it was not, and so on.
    In the end, the question will also arise about the myth of the appearance of Armenians in general on the territory of the Iravan Khanate.

    There is no problem for Azerbaijan to strike now enough blow at Yerevan so that the hayi would go down to the seventh generation even to look towards our borders, but everything has its time. Now you can't touch them, you need them to show themselves in all their glory.
    In addition, it is necessary to give the Armenians the opportunity to deal with Pashinyan and his team, and there will be a showdown there, and this will only play into our hands.
    1. nobody75
      nobody75 18 October 2020 10: 59 New
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      Excuse me, but what does all these copper personalities have to do with it? And here teletuziki, missile defense / air defense and Grob?
      Personally, I wrote on this very site in the first days of the conflict that a war of cities had begun. They shouted from your side: "Well, let it be." And now you have itch hands. I already wrote that I am interested in the interaction of UAVs and air defense systems.
      Sincerely
  • Victorm
    Victorm 18 October 2020 00: 29 New
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    Quote: nobody75
    Will Aliyev give the order to strike at Yerevan: reflections on "red lines"

    Do you understand that the Armenians have a nuclear power plant ... and they probably have already made a "dirty bomb" ... What do you think, why do they need Iskanders? Can you imagine the consequences of the radioactive contamination of the Mingechevir reservoir. Does the VUS not allow you to calculate inconvenient options for the enemy's actions?
    Sincerely

    My VUS is close to a similar problem. But the "dirty bomb" threat is more of the suicidal tendencies of the current leadership. I think if such a threat arises of the practical use of such an ammunition, even among the Armenian military there will be someone who either sabotages such a thing, or will let our side know.

    You understand there are people there too, they perfectly understand and cannot but know, we learned in some schools that what they are already doing is war crimes, pure terrorism. For this at ANY MOMENT and on full grounds, and figs there will help the CSTO or Russia, their part and the military town with their families inside can simply be turned into ruins. That is, they will do what they do with terrorists. And there will be no one to run and cry to, since they have already become famous all over the world.

    Everything has its time. All the scum that is on the other side will still appear before the court. We have waited so much and we cannot make a mistake and screw up, we need to do everything with a cool head, and prudently, since the enemy does not get out of the New Years.
    1. Yaik Cossack
      Yaik Cossack 18 October 2020 12: 04 New
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      Well, you let it slip - "we, us." The Russian name taken by an Azerbaijani for use on the forum is a technique of special propaganda.
      1. Yaik Cossack
        Yaik Cossack 18 October 2020 12: 14 New
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        The Azerbaijani side was the first to start strikes against Stepanakert. So the Armenians may well deliver similar blows, even at Baku. If you have something.

        ViktorM is simply engaged in cheap propaganda on the forum. Receptions are template. The Azerbaijani side has committed no less war crimes, therefore the moral pathos of its propagandists is false.
        Nagorno-Karabakh has a right to independence no less than Kosovo. Another thing is that Armenia has prepared catastrophically badly for the current war.
  • Victorm
    Victorm 18 October 2020 12: 12 New
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    Quote: Yaitsky Cossack
    Well, you let it slip - "we, us." The Russian name taken by an Azerbaijani for use on the forum is a technique of special propaganda.

    You just woke up Comrade Pinkerton? laughing I am Azerbaijani, and I really have a Russian name, and even a patented and native Russian laughing
    Where was this hiding, may I ask?
    1. Yaik Cossack
      Yaik Cossack 18 October 2020 13: 11 New
      -2
      Okay, fifth column. Use your freedoms, so to speak. Do you conduct open pro-laser propaganda, but do you want to leave for your historical homeland for an hour, “patented” and “indigenous”? "Ours" for you, as you write yourself - in Azerbaijan.

      As for the name, please don't believe it. Unless you are a half-breed from mixed marriages. Real Azeris do not give their children Christian (Slavic) names. However, it is precisely the half-breeds who overdo it in terms of nationalism, an inferiority complex affects.
    2. MKPU-115
      MKPU-115 21 October 2020 16: 23 New
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      Quote: VictorM
      I am Azerbaijani and I have a really Russian name

      Yes, I have such classmates. National cadres without competition "entered" the military school, for 4 years they were pulled by the ears, it was impossible to expel in any way. Now they are Russians with Russian names laughing , but I know that at an opportunity they will slaughter the Armenians.
  • Victorm
    Victorm 18 October 2020 15: 51 New
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    Quote: Yaitsky Cossack
    ... but do you want to leave for your historical homeland for an hour, "patented" and "indigenous"? "Ours" for you, as you write yourself - in Azerbaijan.
    Well, actually, my historical homeland at the address: Russia, Derbent Khanate. By the way, where is your historical homeland, do you know even a Cossack testicle?

    Of course I want to go to Azerbaijan now, but the borders are closed due to the pandemic, they are not allowed crying It is very difficult to look at all sides, especially since I gave so many years to the Azerbaijani army, maybe there will not be much sense from me there, but it is better to be there, by my side, than not to find a place for myself here, watch the news every five minutes, and correspond with you, either Armenians heroic from under the skirts of their women here to read, or corrupt brother from NATO, and well, there is still one deserved son-in-law of Armenia, I almost forgot, otherwise he will be offended.
  • Victorm
    Victorm 18 October 2020 16: 02 New
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    Quote: Yaitsky Cossack
    As for the name, please don't believe it. Unless you are a half-breed from mixed marriages. Real Azeris do not give their children Christian (Slavic) names. However, it is precisely the half-breeds who overdo it in terms of nationalism, an inferiority complex affects.
    Well, here you are an expert laughing laughing laughing only about nationalism you are certainly not in the steppe here and I do not see any connection between the war in Karabakh and nationalism. Yes, both my father and I married Russian women for love, and not for revenge or for whatever reason, out of your chauvinist delirium.
    Regarding the name, everything is simple, the name of my grandfather Ghalib is translated only as Victor, do not go as the Winner Batkovich laughing parents can be seen deliberately called so, realizing that living in an environment like you "internationalists" will be hard with the name of the grandfather in the original. And when he received the citizenship of Azerbaijan in order to be able to serve in the army, he changed his name back to his grandfather's Galib, so that in the Russian passport it is Victor, and in the Azerbaijani passport it is Galib.
    1. Yaik Cossack
      Yaik Cossack 18 October 2020 17: 15 New
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      Well, you see, all my words were confirmed. Completely.
      In fact, you are Galib, this is a deliberate choice, and Victor is only for the naive little girls with whom you are rubbing. You are a patriot of Az-na and an enemy of Russia. Your Russian partial ancestors simply betrayed their people, giving birth to an enemy of their homeland. It happens. But it does not honor them and does not cause respect. The trouble for Russia is that we have a lot of such Galibans with Russian passports.
      1. MKPU-115
        MKPU-115 21 October 2020 16: 28 New
        +1
        Quote: Yaitsky Cossack
        The trouble for Russia is that we have a lot of such Galibans with Russian passports.

        That's right.
    2. MKPU-115
      MKPU-115 21 October 2020 16: 27 New
      +1
      Quote: VictorM
      And when he received the citizenship of Azerbaijan in order to be able to serve in the army, he changed his name back to his grandfather's Galib, so that in the Russian passport Viktor, and in the Azerbaijani passport Galib.

      You know a joke about Jews? They will not beat according to the passport ...
  • Alexander Kopychev
    Alexander Kopychev 18 October 2020 21: 28 New
    0
    Well, they will take it, and in 20 years the Armenians will win it back, and in another 20 they will take it again ... Yes, there are only 2 "chess players" - Russia and Turkey (I don't mention the leaders, they are not eternal). I am sincerely sorry for the young men (dzhigits and dzhigyariks, forgive me if I write by mistake) who fell under the rink of geopolitics. Don't write about "chess players' coaching staffs", everyone understands everything, there are no campaign coaches there ...
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    1. Yaik Cossack
      Yaik Cossack 20 October 2020 09: 24 New
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      Well, from the Galib, all the civilization then got off))) It's no wonder, even the Azeris themselves despise the Azeri-Slavic mestizos. Those who betray their ethnos are not respected in the Caucasus. Azeri girls do not marry foreigners.
      Here the Galibans are trying to be super-patriots of Az-na. If something happens, the Russified Galibans will be just themselves cruel to the Russians.
      I do not respond to personal insults to boorish galibs. Since I do not consider them for men. There is a Russian proverb - the dog barks, the wind carries.
      It’s even a pity for Galib, for his whole life he will make excuses to other Azeris for “Russian bedding”.

      Note, I did not say a word about Azeri as an ethnic group. There are many worthy people among the true Azeri.
      Look and make sure - the Galibans are enemies of the Russians and Russia. So that they do not now talk about how their ancestors performed feats
      The sooner such Galibans peacefully return to their beloved homeland, and stop posing as our compatriots, the better.
      1. Rubina
        Rubina 21 October 2020 17: 30 New
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        You know a lot about Azerbaijanis. The main thing is the nationality of the father, the nationality of the mother does not matter.
        1. Yaik Cossack
          Yaik Cossack 21 October 2020 18: 19 New
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          But your galib believes that an Azeri girl who married a non-Azeri and non-Muslim is a lecherous sheep. By analogy, a Russian Christian woman who betrayed her faith and people is the same. Such people in Turkey are called "Natashka" and then only obscenely "bedding".
          I do not argue with Galib, he probably knows the essence of such marriages better, because he is an Azeri-Russian mestizo himself.
  • Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 19 October 2020 11: 54 New
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    in modern times it is impossible to hide the true scale of losses. Moving forward and ousting the enemy from the "security belt" has already cost quite a lot, both in terms of human losses and in terms of destroyed and damaged military equipment.
    No figures are prudently given.
  • Victorm
    Victorm 20 October 2020 19: 49 New
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    Quote: Yaitsky Cossack
    Those who betray their ethnos are not respected in the Caucasus. Azeri girls do not marry foreigners.
    What did Papanov's hero say in "The Diamond Hand" in the episode "Flowers for women, ice cream for children"? laughing The problem is that who doesn’t get out of any gap, so it’s herspect, and especially in the "issues of the Caucasus"
    A Muslim girl or woman cannot marry an infidel or pagan.
    a Muslim boy or man can marry a Muslim woman, which is preferable, and a Christian or Jewish woman, and even a pagan woman.
    This is not from the "Caucasian customs", but simply Islam.

    And so, there are also marriages between Muslim women and non-believers, sometimes because they lead a secular lifestyle, and more often for a simple reason - there is no herd without a lustful black sheep, like which one walks up in all the puffing and breathing ones, so then looks for a naive "expert of the Caucasus" and goes to marry such a herspect, a Cossack from under the testicles, they do not marry their own ...
    1. Yaik Cossack
      Yaik Cossack 20 October 2020 22: 51 New
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      Come on, galib, write more. Your insults do not hurt me. It only shows that you are weak and wounded))) Well, what to expect from a descendant of "Russian litters". I look forward to new posts.
  • Kazimir Prutikov
    Kazimir Prutikov 21 October 2020 19: 57 New
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    The author writes:

    “Again, the approach of the zone of active hostilities to the territory of Armenia is fraught with direct intervention in the conflict by Russia, which will simply be forced to do so due to the obligations it has undertaken within the framework of the CSTO. This is categorically unacceptable for Baku, especially since in this case an adequate He can hardly count on help from Turkey: a collision of such a level is fraught with a world war, and no one will agree to such a thing. "

    However, the mechanism of assistance within the CSTO can be activated only if Azerbaijan attacks Armenia. And besides this, Aliyev, with the help of Turkey, is apparently aimed at the final solution of the Karabakh problem. He perfectly understands that either he will do it now or never. From Erdogan he will receive as many weapons as he needs for the final occupation of Karabakh. The Turkish army will not directly participate in hostilities. It will confine itself to sending its own proxies and provide technical assistance.
  • Victorm
    Victorm 21 October 2020 20: 10 New
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    Quote: MKPU-115
    Quote: VictorM
    And when he received the citizenship of Azerbaijan in order to be able to serve in the army, he changed his name back to his grandfather's Galib, so that in the Russian passport Viktor, and in the Azerbaijani passport Galib.

    You know a joke about Jews? They will not beat according to the passport ...

    How would you answer so as not to receive another warning from the Admin.
    There is such a novel about the Second World War - "Four circles of war", if there is fate and the borders are opened, then this war will become the 4th circle. For three circles, two there and one here, I saw everyone, now I have to listen to the game from different lips, but how the hunter hunted different game, even if not that they beat me, and if they kill my children, they will not have to take revenge, they have no debts will be. Is it clear? There are a lot of tongues, there are many myths, there are just one or two fighters in any nation, there are commanders on the company, a platoon commander, a jacket, a warrant officer, and four conscripts who have not managed, the rest ... and everyone has a medal for the Caucasus in the photo in the album.