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There is no need to save ordinary Stalin. Generalissimo is able to handle himself

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My today's hero is Boris Lazarevich Vishnevsky, political scientist, journalist, publicist, public figure, politician, oppositionist. Head of the Yabloko faction in the Legislative Assembly of St. Petersburg since September 22, 2016.


Boris Lazarevich's parents are Rimma Borisovna Vishnevskaya and Lazar Abelevich Rabbit, intellectuals in the highest sense of the word, honored people who survived the horror of the Leningrad blockade in childhood.

Their son is a very, very intelligent man, educated and ... hating Stalin. Moreover, hatred of Stalin can be safely put in the first place in Vishnevsky's character traits. In 2014, Vishnevsky achieved the dismissal of the head of the St. Petersburg Committee on Youth Policy, Alexander Parkhomenko, due to the fact that on May 9 he went to the parade with a portrait of Stalin.

In 2014, he condemned the annexation of Crimea to Russia, calling it illegal. On December 13, 2014, at a meeting of the federal council of the Yabloko party, Vishnevsky spoke for the unconditional return of Crimea to Ukraine, saying:

“Crimea is not ours. It is stolen. The stolen goods must be returned. Without any explanation of the reasons why it is difficult and impossible to do. Imagine, some Chinese-speaking "Primorye Self-Defense" would take away Vladivostok from Russia, referring to the "opinion of the population." A liberal approach should be in both cases: to return the annexed. As for the opinion of “our citizens”, we must understand that the court takes into account the opinion not of those who stole, but of those who were stolen from ”.

Actually, Boris Lazarevich took part in many cases of the Russian opposition, sometimes even useful ones, but these two moments from the recent past perfectly show what kind of person he is.

And so, on the pages of Novaya Gazeta, Mr. Vishnevsky published an article “To Save Private Stalin”.

Save Private Stalin.

Mr. Vishnevsky is not satisfied with the fact that the Russian government supported the Yarovaya bill in terms of criminal liability for disseminating "knowingly false information about the activities of the USSR during the Second World War" on the Internet and social networks. And the fact that in the depths of the Investigative Committee a whole unit is being created, which will investigate precisely cases of distortion historical facts.

In some ways I agree with Mr. Vishnevsky. In terms of: "Who are the judges?" Because it will not take long in our country to create forces that will follow the rules and regulations. Information Rosgvardia will sweep a lot out of the information space without problems. Another question, who will indicate to the infoguards, so to speak, give the command "face"?

The question, however ...

The draft law mentions, among other things, the need to supplement Article 354.1 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation with criminal liability for committing the acts provided for by it on the Internet: established by the said verdict, as well as the dissemination of deliberately false information about the activities of the USSR during the Second World War.

Again, I agree with Vishnevsky that the decisions of the Nuremberg Tribunal in our country are somehow not even accepted to challenge. For now, at least. So far - this is because more and more strange groups appear on the Internet in which strange people with closed social media profiles write strange things.

Here is an example:

There is no need to save ordinary Stalin. Generalissimo is able to handle himself

Need to fight them? It is necessary. For forgetfulness in relation to the exploits of our ancestors is one thing, but the chanting of the Hartmans is completely different. So the article is very useful, and Vishnevsky, protesting, pours water in a completely different direction.

A really serious question arises: who will determine which information is true and which is false? Which ones should be punished immediately and for which not?

Yes, if it is Medinsky and his RVIO, this is universal sadness and anguish, because almost everything that is done under the auspices of this society is done very badly. Maybe Surkov? Also a very so-so option.

But Vishnevsky's Yabloko partners are also not the option that we need. We are those who honor and appreciate the history of our country sincerely and from the heart.

I'll just allow myself a quote from Vishnevsky's article.

“In September 2019, the European Parliament adopted a resolution on the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, timed to coincide with the 80th anniversary of the outbreak of World War II. In it, the USSR is accused of unleashing a war along with Nazi Germany.
The Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs reacted immediately, praising the said pact of 23 August 1939. Like, "thanks to the Soviet-German non-aggression pact (this is how the pact was officially called), the war began on the strategically more advantageous borders for the USSR, and the population of these territories was subjected to Nazi terror two years later." And it did it exactly on the day of the 80th anniversary of the joint military parade of the troops of Germany and the USSR in Brest - in connection with the transfer of the city to the Soviet Union. The parade, which has become a black page in Russian history ”.

Actually, that's all. You don't have to go further. It is obvious and understandable that Mr. Vishnevsky is writing his own story. And he writes it not with a brush, but with kvachom. Which dips in a known substance, brown and unpleasant stinking.

The war did indeed begin two years later. Not enough later, but still. It's hard to deny. And the population of many annexed territories, having tasted socialism, did not rush after 22.06.1941/XNUMX/XNUMX to enroll in the SS in droves. Yes, there were collaborators, but so much has been said about this ...

It is strange that Mr. Vishnevsky is not in the know.

Well, the cherry on the cake, after which I don't even want to argue with Mr. Vishnevsky - this is the so-called "parade in Brest".

There are such people. With the dew of God in my eyes. Well, they need to have that parade in Brest - and there is no way to prove otherwise. Not a single shot of the passage of Soviet troops. Not a single meter of newsreels. Not a single eyewitness account. Nothing.

There are a lot of pictures of the Wehrmacht troops, there is a chronicle, and all that is in the dossier of the "truth-tellers" is General Krivoshein on an improvised platform and a Soviet orchestra. And yes, the tankmen watching the Germans pass.


But if you really want to have a parade, at least a stake on your head please some personalities, but they will hollow like woodpeckers that there was a parade.

They just really need him, the parade in Brest.

As for the "secret protocols", "according to which Hitler and Stalin divided between themselves" spheres of interests "in Europe, and in fact - divided part of Europe among themselves in advance", this is generally a masterpiece.

To begin with, it would be necessary to find at least one document that would be signed by Hitler and Stalin. In which there would be at least a hint of the carve-up of Europe.

But no. That immediately puts Mr. Vishnevsky in the cohort of those who are targeted by the new bill.

Everything else that Mr. Vishnevsky wrote with his article is small things. He just forgot that Europe was divided in the same way in Tehran, and in Yalta, and in Potsdam. What is Europe, the world was cut.


It's just that for some reason Hitler and Stalin can't do it, but Churchill, Roosevelt, Truman can. Such a strange selectivity. Meanwhile, one division of the Middle East was worth what.

“Negotiations on secret protocols were conducted by Stalin and Molotov in secret from the Soviet people, the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party (Bolsheviks) and the entire party, the Supreme Soviet and the government of the USSR, these protocols were removed from the ratification procedures. Thus, the decision to sign them was in essence and in form an act of personal power and in no way reflected the will of the Soviet people, which is not responsible for this conspiracy. "

REN-TV called? It's time. Where Mr. Vishnevsky got this from, it is very difficult for me to say personally. But he took it somewhere, and therefore published it. Why not publish, because every word there is a denunciation of Stalin!

That is, a matter that is completely pleasing to certain forces with all the ensuing consequences.

But here I really want to call for help the investigators of the relevant department of the RF IC, who would ask where this is from? Well, it's an obvious invention. And at the same time, the author could be asked about where the money was paid for such compositions ...

I am quoting Mr. Vishnevsky again.

“Nevertheless, the matter was not limited to the Foreign Ministry’s statement - in December 2019, President Vladimir Putin, who repeatedly demanded“ not to allow distortion of the truth about the role of the USSR in World War II, ”called accusations against the USSR, along with Nazi Germany, in the outbreak of World War II. wars "on nothing really based on shameless lies."

Excuse me, but what else can you call it?

“Putin said that Russia's response should be a story about the events of the war, involving the disclosure and publication of“ archival materials in their entirety ”.
“Where is the guarantee that with such a position of the president, references to two Soviet-German treaties and a joint military parade in Brest will not be announced tomorrow as spreading“ knowingly false information ”?

Tomorrow? I would have it today, but in 2016, after a trip to Brest, I wrote more than one article in which I explained on my fingers that “the joint parade of the Red Army and the Wehrmacht in Brest” is a fairy tale invented by scoundrels. So tomorrow we have to bring all these writers of alternative history under the article and send them to sew mittens.

Well, at least some benefit to be. Apparently, this is what frightens Mr. Vishnevsky. What kind of tales with a dubious plot will be planted.

In general, we were probably late. Today it is necessary. Especially for the "parade in Brest". And without the right to parole.

Quote again:

“And what about another act of the Stalinist regime - the mass deportations of entire peoples. Mostly in 1943–44?
...
But who can guarantee that tomorrow some "military-historical society" telling monstrous fables about the fact that not the victims of Stalinist repressions are buried in the Karelian Sandarmokh, but the alleged "Red Army men shot by the Finns", will not declare the information about these deportations "false"? And will not demand criminal prosecution of those who will remind of these crimes? "

In the language of the great Bulgakov, "And again a case of the so-called lies!" That’s just for the tale of Sandarmokh Cherkasov and his companions from “Memorial”, and we must imprison! And not for the night of the aforementioned Dmitriev, not for pedophilia, attracted (possibly) for ..., but for “black digging”.

Very good article of the Criminal Code. Just wonderful. I never thought that I would be “for” with two hands. It is precisely on the example of Sandarmokh that one must judge and plant. Because all the tales of the "Memorial" people were smashed to smithereens by the most elementary calculators. But we can talk about Sandarmokh separately, it's worth it.

"Where is the guarantee that they will not start jailing for statements that Polish officers in Katyn were shot by the NKVD - which fact is from time to time denied by domestic Stalinists?"

If such a law is adopted, there will be no guarantee, of course. And it pleases.

One question does not allow me to live in peace: why is any fabrication on the theme that “everything was wrong in the USSR, Stalin was a tyrant”, is taken by some personalities of today as an axiom and there is not even the slightest chance to prove the opposite?

I don't like the course of Putin's liberal team. This is a dead end road. I don't like what Medinsky did with his education, I don't like what his follower is doing. This is a dumb dead end, this is the way to the land of fools.

But when I look where the liberals will lead from the same Yabloko, that is, Mr. Vishnevsky and others like him, I feel completely uncomfortable. This is also a road to a dead end. This is also the way to the land of fools, only on your knees and with repentance. With head banging on the stone floor, trying to beg forgiveness.

It's just who it is not entirely clear. Cherkasov and Vishnevsky? Frankly disgusting.

An interesting situation is developing. Messrs. Liberals from Yavlinsky completely lose to Messrs. Liberals from Putin. Putin's at least do not force repentance, which is an achievement in itself.

Therefore, the liberals from Yavlinsky and in every possible way reproach their colleagues that they are trying to rot in the bud all attempts to carry the word of truth. It is not entirely clear where they are going to carry it. Moreover, it is worth noting that many attempts are carried into the smoke by real historians, operating in completely not classified documents. And this is weird.

But the old record about Stalin's crimes will still sound in Russia, and, I think, not because it was paid for by the owners of the same Memorial from abroad. Because a generation of those who hate our past has already grown up and is even beginning to grow old.

And here is such a gift ...

It is understandable why the Yabloko and Memorial residents were so worried. Why is the bill being compared with the memorable article 190-1 of the RSFSR Criminal Code on "the dissemination of deliberately false fabrications that discredit the Soviet state and social system"?

It will be difficult to blame Stalin for everything. Much of what the same Memorial is doing today will become difficult. It will be difficult to throw mud at those who, under the leadership of one of the brilliant people of the last century, strangled the reptile of fascism in its lair.


I support the project with both hands.

“Yarovaya's initiative was introduced under the pretext of preventing the“ rehabilitation of Nazism ”. But her goal is obviously different: to ban the truth on the Internet about the crimes of the Stalinist regime during the Second World War.

This energy is for good purposes ...

Of course, I am very sorry that Mr. Vishnevsky was unable to do anything other than the war with Stalin. I am very sorry for him and his party comrades.

Alas, the further we go into the world, to the creation of which Mr. Vishnevsky put his hands and head, the brighter the image of the person under whose leadership the Soviet people built a great country, defeated fascism, and restored the country from the ruins after the war.

And the remnants of that country are now Mr. Vishnevsky ready to put on the altar of repentance.

No, Boris Lazarevich, the wind of history becomes a flurry. And the further, the more dirt takes away from the grave of Joseph Stalin. Private Stalin will not have to be saved. At least as long as those who perfectly understand the role of the Generalissimo of the Soviet Union in that victory are still alive. And, I am sure, there will be more and more people wishing to pass on May 9 with a portrait of Stalin. An order of magnitude more than those who make the blame for all mortal sins the goal of life.


However, everyone chooses his own path. I'm not sure that the majority of readers will decide to walk along the road of repentance, it is not clear to whom in a wreath of barbed wire, on their knees, and so on.
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  1. Pete mitchell
    Pete mitchell 16 October 2020 10: 12
    +7
    But I really liked about Hartman: if you haspoda such "honest" and ready to the end, it is necessary to publicly, using all the possibilities, to stigmatize those who passed Hartman and the entire JG52 - maybe someone after this example will learn to draw historical parallels. Need to fight them? It is necessary. For forgetfulness in relation to the exploits of our ancestors is one thing, but the chanting of the Hartmans is completely different. So the article is very useful, and Vishnevsky, protesting, pours water in a completely different direction.
    1. Stasi
      Stasi 16 October 2020 10: 24
      +9
      if you really want the parade to be, - even a stake on the head please some personalities, but they will hollow like woodpeckers that there was a parade.


      Actually "parade" is not a parade, but an official ceremony of transferring the fortress and the city of Brest to the German occupation administration under the control of the USSR.
      It's no secret that initially Brest was occupied by the Wehrmacht, and within the framework of the division of spheres of influence and demarcation of borders, it was transferred to the Soviet administration ...
      1. neri73-r
        neri73-r 16 October 2020 10: 37
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        Everything is simple, well, Jews cannot forgive Stalin for being the only leader in the world who made them work for the country in which they live, and not for world Jewry! They cannot forgive him for not letting Russia make a fire for their world revolution, for the fact that he, a seminarian, outplayed them in a global game, that this Man could think not even strategically, but globally, in terms of the globe !!! The Anglo-Saxons cannot forgive this either. Therefore, this topic, the denigration of the IVS, will be pedalized constantly, with frenzy.
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          1. neri73-r
            neri73-r 16 October 2020 10: 51
            44
            There is no need to extrapolate yourself and your countries to us and Stalin. Let me remind you that under Stalin, criminal responsibility was introduced for sodomy, so beloved by you and your elites.
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          2. Eugen alpine
            Eugen alpine 16 October 2020 11: 37
            12
            It's even disgusting for you to put a minus. The impression is that you will get dirty. Are you not afraid of what will be rewarded ...? From the dead ...
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              1. Umalta
                Umalta 16 October 2020 14: 58
                17
                No, we saw all of you, who at one time I could not speak in his direction and only slavery, which is inherent in your nature, and now, feeling the strength from outside, you mock Stalin with your filthy tongues. Ohawa please the leaders of the United States, who allowed the starvation of millions of farmers at the beginning of the century, concentration camps for Japanese citizens of the United States. I can endlessly list the crimes against humanity of the so-called Anglo-Saxons.
        2. nemez
          nemez 16 October 2020 10: 55
          30
          I used to treat the Jews normally, but they themselves made me an anti-Semite. It is necessary to be able to turn against yourself - this is a gift of God.
          1. neri73-r
            neri73-r 16 October 2020 10: 57
            +8
            Quote: nemez
            I used to treat the Jews normally, but they themselves made me an anti-Semite. It is necessary to be able to turn against yourself - this is a gift of God.

            I am not an anti-Semite, I treat specific Jews normally, there are good acquaintances and childhood friends, including those living in their historical homeland.
          2. Walking
            Walking 16 October 2020 11: 51
            15
            Parents seem to be decent people, but looking at their son you think maybe it would be better if they did not survive the blockade. Mdaaa, not an unambiguous choice, especially knowing that if this miracle got to the Nazis, it would be buried there.
            1. neri73-r
              neri73-r 16 October 2020 23: 09
              +5
              Quote: Hiking
              Parents seem to be decent people, but looking at their son you think maybe it would be better if they did not survive the blockade. Mdaaa, not an unambiguous choice, especially knowing that if this miracle got to the Nazis, it would be buried there.

              You know, it's not unambiguous here. I accidentally learned from a Russianized Jew of my age. He honestly (in the mid-90s) told me that in the 80s (and he is two or three years younger than me) in his family they seriously taught him that Russians are not good people, second class (I translate so culturally) that they, the Jews are the best, etc. What I mean, in that (Vishnevsky) family they could have treated us this way, and the fact of the possibility of the capture of Leningrad and the execution of their family should not be taken into account, such as two evils - Russians and Germans, some are no better than others. And if you look at it from their side, it is. And they are also humiliated by the fact that it was the Russians, in the broad sense of the word (as an organizing force), under the leadership of Stalin I.V. found themselves in the world by the very force that they (the Jews) represented themselves! It's a shame, of course. So it's premature about parents, you need to know their views and preferences.
              1. Plastmaster
                Plastmaster 21 October 2020 09: 35
                -1
                Basically, all the dirt comes from the intelligentsia, which at one time read all sorts of Suvorovs, etc. And the factory worker basically had no time to hammer in the foolishness. And to read and not analyze what has been read is very convenient. And as usual, the further from our capitals, the more decent ones. And more for Stalin, although the older generation, the young already do not even recognize Stalin in the portraits.
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        1. Snail N9
          Snail N9 16 October 2020 11: 55
          -14 qualifying.
          Here it is well written about the transfer of Brest by the Germans to the troops of the Red Army. With photos. Well, there are joint photographs of the Wehrmacht and the Red Army (and that's enough), there's nothing you can do about it ...
          https://www.gazeta.ru/science/2019/09/21_a_12667285.shtml
          1. Basil50
            Basil50 16 October 2020 12: 41
            11
            There was a terrible war. For US, she is GREAT DOMESTIC with the memory of what our ancestors did.
            WE REMEMBER AND HONOR THEIR FEAT.
            But there were those who pursued their own selfish interests. There were few of them, but how many screams about * innocent ... * and other screams.
            Today, with injured pride, you can make a career as a * truth-teller * and a seeker * for truth *, especially since there is so much slop on the Internet. You can refer to the * authority * of the already thrown lies, especially since not everything can be refuted. More quotes and references, and now it's not just a grump and a liar, but a * truth-teller * suffering for * his beliefs *. Moreover, all these ... are protected by the criminal code, even in the face it will not work. So all * these * are crazy about impunity.
            And nothing to do with nationality, that there were few among the traitors * proud * in their meanness scum of different ethnic groups?
          2. neri73-r
            neri73-r 21 October 2020 09: 47
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            Quote: Snail N9
            Here it is well written about the transfer of Brest by the Germans to the troops of the Red Army. With photos. Well, there are joint photographs of the Wehrmacht and the Red Army (and that's enough), there's nothing you can do about it ...
            https://www.gazeta.ru/science/2019/09/21_a_12667285.shtml

            It has long been proven that the parade was, but German, our troops were not there. There was Krivoshein and our orchestra, which did not march. That's it, enough liberal speculations and lies! According to your link, there is not a single photo of the joint parade or our troops at the 1939 parade!
      3. DrEng527
        DrEng527 16 October 2020 14: 35
        -9
        Quote: Stasi
        Actually "parade" is not a parade, but an official ceremony of transferring the fortress and the city of Brest to the German occupation administration under the control of the USSR.

        in short - parade request at 39 g, this word was used, like Krivoshein himself in his memoirs request Moreover, Guderian referred to the parade in the agreement, Krivoshein did not dispute this ... It's just that it is not profitable to remember now, like the Treaty of Friendship and the Border in Hitler in October 39 ... hi
  2. Million
    Million 16 October 2020 10: 14
    18
    Well, what does Vishnevsky have to do with Hitler, love?
    1. tatra
      tatra 16 October 2020 11: 33
      14
      As the enemies of the communists on the territory of the USSR have proved, they have a good attitude towards Hitler. As soon as Gorbachev gave them freedom of speech, they immediately began to express regret that Hitler had not captured the USSR, he would have given them all Bavarian beer. They justified the crimes of Hitler and the Nazis, blaming Stalin for the Great Patriotic War and all the victims of the Soviet people, and if, starting with their Perestroika, they remember Hitler, then only in order to equate him with Stalin, and put him up better than Stalin, after all according to their methodology "Hitler destroyed foreign peoples, and Stalin destroyed his people."
      1. Doctor
        Doctor 16 October 2020 12: 04
        -17 qualifying.
        "Hitler destroyed foreign peoples, and Stalin destroyed his people."

        He cared for and cherished his own. Georgia blossomed with him. love
        What can not be said about indigenous Russia ...
        1. tatra
          tatra 16 October 2020 12: 15
          13
          And what have you, Stalinophobes, done good for Russia and the Russian people in the 30 years after your capture of Russia? Or is your intellect and mentality enough only for malice against everything Soviet, for cowardly blaming the Bolshevik-Communists for what you yourself did, for boasting about how much you HAVE after the destruction of the USSR? And you have nothing to do with everything else?
          1. Doctor
            Doctor 16 October 2020 12: 38
            -23 qualifying.
            And what have you, Stalinophobes, done good for Russia and the Russian people in the 30 years after your capture of Russia? Or is your intellect and mentality enough only for malice against everything Soviet, for cowardly blaming the Bolshevik-Communists for what you yourself did, for boasting about how much you HAVE after the destruction of the USSR? And you have nothing to do with everything else?

            I'm not a Stalinophobe, I'm just trying to assess the period of his reign objectively, and not pray for a portrait, like some.

            The son of a Georgian shoemaker, who lived the first half of his life in prisons and underground, whom fate threw into the ruling elite of a huge state. hi

            He had no experience in management, therefore, having strangled rivals with Asian cunning, he established the most primitive management system - administrative-command. am

            His state is a miniature military unit, with a commander-in-chief, a political officer, a special officer, a multitude of virtually disenfranchised soldiers living in the barracks and serving for food and cigarettes from a chip. There is a guardhouse for greyhounds. soldier

            Hence such a love for Joseph Vissarionych of the VO pensioners - this system is clear and close to them. laughing

            Some, however, believe that this is not a military unit with a guardhouse, but a zone with a punishment cell, but this is someone like ... angry
            1. tatra
              tatra 16 October 2020 13: 18
              +6
              Why are you, Stalinophobes, who imagined that you are more than the communists and their supporters worthy of owning the country, so obsessively fixated on discussing everything that the Communist Bolsheviks and their supporters have done, and so AFRAID to discuss what you have done YOURSELF? I asked you a question about YOU, Stalinophobes, and you rushed to be angry against Stalin. And all the same, you answered my question with this. You have not done ANYTHING useful for Russia and its people.
              1. Doctor
                Doctor 16 October 2020 13: 23
                -14 qualifying.
                I asked you a question about YOU, Stalinophobes, and you rushed to be angry against Stalin. And all the same, you answered my question with this. You have not done ANYTHING useful for Russia and its people.

                Personally, I have cured a lot of people in 30 years.
                True, I'm not sure what more than Joseph Vissarionich finished off. laughing
                1. tatra
                  tatra 16 October 2020 13: 29
                  +8
                  Here I do not need the crown Stalinophobes "but I, I, I have." To be malignant against the Bolshevik communists, so you are all together, and to defend each other, so everyone is only for himself. The enemies of the communists on the territory of the USSR and did NOTHING useful for their country and people, neither in the Soviet period, nor after their capture of the USSR, but what they DID, they cowardly whine in chorus that they had nothing to do with it. They have nothing and no one good for their country and people, therefore their only justification for the capture of the USSR is slander against those from whom they took it away.
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                    1. tatra
                      tatra 16 October 2020 13: 41
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                      This is the whole parasitic essence of Stalinophobes - if Stalin's supporters were always proud of the results of their work, then Stalinophobes are proud of what they got at the expense of other people's labor, imports. And even domestic cowards themselves are not able to produce.
                      1. Doctor
                        Doctor 16 October 2020 13: 42
                        -7
                        And even domestic cowards themselves are not able to produce.

                        I could not help but plus !!! laughing
                    2. neri73-r
                      neri73-r 16 October 2020 23: 22
                      +2
                      I'll tell you a secret, the girl is beautiful without any underwear! And if you cannot do without additional stimulation (in the form of underwear), then you should see a sex therapist or a psychiatrist!
                      1. Doctor
                        Doctor 16 October 2020 23: 53
                        -2
                        I'll tell you a secret, the girl is beautiful without any underwear! And if you cannot do without additional stimulation (in the form of underwear), then you should see a sex therapist or a psychiatrist!

                        We are about the standard of living, not about girls. And linen for example, because it is closer to Irina.
                2. Svarog
                  Svarog 16 October 2020 14: 16
                  15
                  Quote: Arzt
                  True, I'm not sure what more than Joseph Vissarionich finished off.

                  And I'm not sure that you would have been born at all if Joseph Vissarionovich had not finished off those who interfered with the creation of the USSR and winning the Second World War.
                  Personally, I have cured a lot of people in 30 years.

                  And how many were sent to the next world? They say every doctor has his own little cemetery? Or is it not so?
                  1. Doctor
                    Doctor 16 October 2020 14: 29
                    -12 qualifying.
                    And I'm not sure that you would have been born at all if Joseph Vissarionovich had not finished off those who interfered with the creation of the USSR and winning the Second World War.

                    As I say, there is no need for a personality cult, a clear and fair assessment of activities.
                    Like any other Ruler of Russia.

                    Ivan the Terrible took Kazan? Yes.
                    However, as V. Kobrin writes: "The scribes compiled in the first decades after the oprichnina give the impression that the country has experienced a devastating enemy invasion"

                    Peter I cut through the window? Yes.
                    But at the same time he drank like a shoemaker, rode pigs and worshiped the West.

                    Joseph Stalin defeated Hitler? Yes.
                    But at first he mistakenly believed him, concluding a treaty, which led to the largest losses in the war in the entire history of Russia.

                    And how many were sent to the next world?

                    Much less. But the main thing is different.

                    I did not stand over the pit with a pistol at the back of my head and did not sign orders for mass executions.

                    On the contrary, I tried to pull it out. But it didn't always work out. wink
                    1. Svarog
                      Svarog 16 October 2020 15: 40
                      +5
                      Quote: Arzt
                      I did not stand over the pit with a pistol at the back of my head and did not sign orders for mass executions.

                      So Stalin did not stand with a pistol at the back of his head. You are a doctor, as you said yourself and treat people, but it happens that they die as a result of improper treatment .. Nevertheless, you are proud that most of the people were healed and allowed them to live and enjoy the joys of life .. so Stalin is forced was to donate 600 so that 000 million could live and be proud of the country. By the way, when Khrushchev began throwing mud at Stalin and ordered the release of the "innocent convicts", with all the desire only 200% of the total mass could be rehabilitated .. So everything was according to the law. And the law was strictly observed.
                      1. Doctor
                        Doctor 16 October 2020 16: 15
                        -7
                        so Stalin was forced to donate 600 so that 000 million could live and be proud of the country.

                        Yes, this is the fate of the rulers. They all have to sign death warrants.
                        But Iosif Visarionovich, in this sense, somewhat overstepped the stick, even his associates admitted this.

                        In addition, he made serious mistakes and miscalculations in foreign and domestic policy.

                        And most importantly, in his ambitions, he was the last to think about the people.

                        In short, it is far from ideal, as some are trying to present it.
                        And personally, I would not like to live in his state.
                      2. BAI
                        BAI 16 October 2020 17: 19
                        +9
                        And personally, I would not like to live in his state.

                        The younger the blogger, the worse his life under Stalin.
                      3. Doctor
                        Doctor 16 October 2020 17: 48
                        -8
                        The younger the blogger, the worse his life under Stalin.

                        Can you name anyone who lived well under Stalin?
                3. neri73-r
                  neri73-r 16 October 2020 23: 16
                  +1
                  You call yourself by your real name and where you work, and then we'll talk! Let's see patient reviews, etc., discuss. And on a computer, everyone can blame people who have been gone for a long time, and everyone is cool and knows everything.
                  I will tell you one thing (if you are really a doctor) when selecting candidates for the court of jury doctors, the parties are categorically not recommended to select! What a charge, what a defense !!! Do you know why?
                  1. Doctor
                    Doctor 16 October 2020 23: 58
                    -5
                    I will tell you one thing (if you are really a doctor) when selecting candidates for the court of jury doctors, the parties are categorically not recommended to select! What a charge, what a defense !!! Do you know why?

                    I don’t know about the jury, but I sat with a side nod more than once while serving.
                    The judge was happy to take doctors, especially if there were some medical aspects in the case.
                    And if you imply that doctors tend to commute the sentence, then nothing like that.
                    Among them, those still sadists come across! wassat
                    (Joke)
                4. Siberian54
                  Siberian54 20 October 2020 12: 34
                  0
                  Once again about 1941!There were two non-aggression pacts connected with each other, why ALL the Stalinophobes differ in memory loss ... the USSR-Japan, in case of aggression against a third party, the treaty is considered null and void ... the country avoided a war on two fronts as best it could ...
            2. mat-vey
              mat-vey 16 October 2020 18: 20
              +6
              Quote: Arzt
              Personally, I have cured a lot of people in 30 years.

              Have you had any mistakes? And your colleagues were not mistaken either?
              1. Doctor
                Doctor 16 October 2020 18: 36
                -5
                Have you had any mistakes? And your colleagues were not mistaken either?

                Sure. Everyone is wrong. Even the Great Ones ... wink
                But not everyone agrees with this, here's the thing.
                1. mat-vey
                  mat-vey 16 October 2020 18: 49
                  +5
                  Quote: Arzt
                  Sure. Everyone is wrong. Even the Great Ones ... wink
                  But not everyone agrees with this, here's the thing.

                  Yes, no, I'm talking about something else - these mistakes were not made by the heads of the doctor or the Minister of Health ... you don't blame your mistakes and mistakes of your colleagues on them? staff at that time was ... especially after the civil ... especially on the eve of an even larger and more terrible war ...
                  1. Doctor
                    Doctor 16 October 2020 19: 09
                    -4
                    Yes, no, I'm talking about something else - these mistakes were not made by the chief doctor or the Minister of Health ... you don't blame your mistakes and the mistakes of your colleagues on them?

                    Yes, you must admit your mistakes. And draw conclusions from them.

                    Disputes about Stalin are going on because, during his lifetime, he formed an opinion of himself great and infallible. Any other opinions were severely punished.
                    Some even now consider his epoch almost the Golden Age, but himself a demigod.

                    Let's draw conclusions from his reign.
                    Do you want to be like with him again?

                    1. "Disposal" of all the farmers and exile to Siberia with their families.
                    2. To devote all resources to the creation of a super-army of 5 million people, to begin the forceful annexation of the former republics.
                    3. Collect all the gold in the country, and send it to the secret subversive work of the socialist parties in the world.
                    4. Increase the staff of special services by 5 times and all those who disagree to the Kolyma.
                    Etc. and so on

                    Many will support here.

                    But there is another way. USA sculpts the world's best smartphones. And somehow it does without sharashki. wassat
                  2. mat-vey
                    mat-vey 16 October 2020 19: 24
                    +3
                    Quote: Arzt
                    Any other opinions were severely punished.

                    Have you tried to find out at least something real about party discussions?
                    Quote: Arzt
                    1. "Disposal" of all the farmers and exile to Siberia with their families.
                    2. To devote all resources to the creation of a super-army of 5 million people, to begin the forceful annexation of the former republics.
                    3. Collect all the gold in the country, and send it to the secret subversive work of the socialist parties in the world.
                    4. Increase the staff of special services by 5 times and all those who disagree to the Kolyma.
                    Etc. and so on


                    1.Do not - give all unemployed farmers as slaves ...
                    2. Open the borders and start digging trenches ourselves for all Babi Yar and Khatyn ..
                    3.It is strange and how it (gold) was left on machines and technologies ... about grain for gold bought in general fairy tales probably ..
                    4. And those who disagree with what? With the fact that all people are people and have an equal right to life, rest, education and medical care?
                  3. Doctor
                    Doctor 16 October 2020 21: 07
                    -5
                    1.Do not - give all unemployed farmers as slaves ...
                    2. Open the borders and start digging trenches ourselves for all Babi Yar and Khatyn ..
                    3.It is strange and how it (gold) was left on machines and technologies ... about grain for gold bought in general fairy tales probably ..
                    4. And those who disagree with what? With the fact that all people are people and have an equal right to life, rest, education and medical care?


                    I'm not saying that everything is OK now.
                    There is still a lot of work to be done. But move in the direction of Sweden, Switzerland and Canada.
                  4. mat-vey
                    mat-vey 17 October 2020 06: 05
                    +2
                    Quote: Arzt
                    I'm not saying that everything is OK now.

                    What does your previous comment have to do with “now?” This is now:
                    "1." Raskulak "all the farmers and send them to Siberia with their families.
                    2. To devote all resources to the creation of a super-army of 5 million people, to begin the forceful annexation of the former republics.
                    3. Collect all the gold in the country, and send it to the secret subversive work of the socialist parties in the world.
                    4. Increase the staff of special services by 5 times and all those who disagree to the Kolyma.
                    Etc. etc"
                    Although about "Increasing the staff of special services 5 times" is quite modern, it is probably that no one in Sweden, Switzerland and Canada would interfere with the movement .... though not everyone ..
                  5. Valerikk
                    Valerikk 18 October 2020 19: 44
                    0
                    But move in the direction of Sweden, Switzerland and Canada.

                    Ie, become an impotent state?
              2. Gennady Bogdanovich
                Gennady Bogdanovich 16 October 2020 22: 45
                +1
                And the rocket engine RD180 has been bought for 40 years. can't do their own
  3. BAI
    BAI 16 October 2020 17: 16
    +2
    The son of a Georgian shoemaker, who lived the first half of his life in prisons and underground, whom fate threw into the ruling elite of a huge state

    Ну и что?
    Here is the Prime Minister of Finland:
    Sanna Marin was born on November 16, 1985 in Helsinki [1]. The family was poor and dysfunctional, Marin's father drank heavily [5]. The first years of her life were spent in rented apartments in Vesala [en], a dysfunctional residential area of ​​Helsinki [6]. Sanna Marin's father and mother divorced when she was little. Her biological mother later married a woman, and Marin grew up in a same-sex family [7] [8] [5]. At that time in Finland there was a practice of silence about same-sex families, and Marin could not openly talk about her family [6] [7].

    The family then moved to Tampere. In 2004 she graduated from school in the Pirkkala community, Tampere suburb [1] [6]. While still in school, Marin went to work first in a bakery, then as a cashier in a department store [5] [6].

    And she's only 35. Premier since 2019. Why are there no complaints about her?
    1. Doctor
      Doctor 16 October 2020 17: 52
      -5
      And she's only 35. Premier since 2019. Why are there no complaints about her?


      Well, maybe that's why:
      ......
      Marin went to work first in a bakery, then as a cashier in a department store.

      In 2012 she graduated from the University of Tampere with a bachelor's degree, studied administration. In 2017 she received her master's degree. Marin became the first in her family to graduate.

      In 2006 she joined the Social Democratic Party of Finland. In 2012, she was elected to the Tampere City Council with 826 votes. Chairman of the City Council from 2013 to 2017. In 2017, she was re-elected to the city council. Marin is also a member of the Tampere Region Council Assembly.

      In the parliamentary elections on April 19, 2015, she was elected to the eduskunta (parliament) from the Pirkanmaa constituency. Re-elected following the parliamentary elections on April 14, 2019.

      Second Deputy Chairman of the Social Democratic Party since 2014. On August 23, 2020, at the party congress in Tampere, she was unanimously elected as the chairman of the Social Democratic Party. Replaced Antti Rinne.
  • DrEng527
    DrEng527 16 October 2020 14: 38
    -11 qualifying.
    Quote: tatra
    have done good for Russia and the Russian people in the 30 years after your capture of Russia?

    go to the store hi
    Quote: tatra
    and the cowardly blame on the Bolshevik communists

    why blame them? they are waist-deep in the blood of the Russian people! however, like other peoples of the former USSR ...
    1. Gennady Bogdanovich
      Gennady Bogdanovich 16 October 2020 22: 54
      +3
      During the period from 1923 to 1953 (30 years), about 600 people were sentenced to death. This figure must be estimated based on the specific historical situation. This period includes banditism after the civil war, all kinds of counter-revolutionary organizations of the espionage, sabotage, terrorist sense, the Second World War. 000 citizens of the USSR who fought on the side of Nazi Germany. Post-war banditry. etc. Of these 1500 thousand, a significant part of the pygovs were not enforced and were replaced by long prison terms. Judging by the number of Bandrovskol scum, the Baltic SS men got out into the streets in recent years, Stalin was a very kind person
      1. DrEng527
        DrEng527 17 October 2020 14: 00
        -1
        Quote: Gennady Bogdanovich
        This figure must be assessed based on the specific historical situation.

        can ... where will the numbers of those who died of hunger be inserted?
        Quote: Gennady Bogdanovich
        1500 citizens of the USSR who fought on the side of Nazi Germany.

        wonder why? this had never happened before - there were traitors, but there were few of them ... maybe it was the SV who brought people? request
  • rocket757
    rocket757 16 October 2020 10: 18
    19
    Of course, I am very sorry that Mr. Vishnevsky was unable to do anything other than the war with Stalin. I am very sorry for him and his party comrades.

    Come on, let them fight .... STALIN is such a lump that it is not for the little mongrels to dig on him, under him!
    Again, I am not idealizing, all the big leaders and politicians have enough skeletons in the closet, and even at a turning point in the history of the state, white, fluffy angels do not remain ANYWHERE and NEVER !!!
    Everyone will be rewarded according to their deserts, everything will be weighed on the scales of history, and in another place, for sure.
    1. DrEng527
      DrEng527 16 October 2020 14: 39
      -10 qualifying.
      Quote: rocket757
      STALIN is such a lump, h

      the question is a lump of what ... request
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 16 October 2020 14: 51
        -2
        there is no single answer, at least for me.
        1. DrEng527
          DrEng527 17 October 2020 13: 50
          +1
          Quote: rocket757
          There is no definite answer, at least for me.

          but I agree with that ...
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 17 October 2020 14: 42
            0
            I want to clarify, a lump, a monolith, from anything that is not reliable, unstable, can not be .... unlike a heap, for example.
            1. DrEng527
              DrEng527 17 October 2020 15: 15
              +1
              Quote: rocket757
              from nothing reliable, unstable, it cannot be ...

              depends on conditions - for example a block of ice ... request
              Quote: rocket757
              as opposed to heap, for example.

              in the cold and a bunch of monoliths ... I'm a Siberian ... hi
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 17 October 2020 15: 23
                0
                This is true, but only in the cold! We do not have an ice age, thaws are seasonal, regularly, so such materials are not very stable, in different conditions! It is, of course, and the basalt in lava is plastic and flows, but this is a completely extreme situation.
                1. DrEng527
                  DrEng527 19 October 2020 11: 12
                  0
                  Quote: rocket757
                  This is true, but only in the cold!

                  if we return to the topic, the IVS is a genius in the capture and retention of personal power, the organization of his personality cult! He was an extraordinary person - strong-willed and charismatic ... However, most of his decisions in the national economy, geopolitics turned out to be wrong - the country incurred terrible costs (material and human), and the results were controversial! I'm not about creating some kind of weapons, I'm about the formation of a military-feudal system in a country with people - cogs (this is a direct quote) request It was the decisions of the IVS that laid the bomb under the USSR - it was stable with continuous terror, the terror was removed and everything fell apart ... hi
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 19 October 2020 11: 40
                    0
                    There is no need to argue. Most people have a well-established opinion and nothing new can be added to this dispute.
                    The only question is how to educate the younger generation ... but nothing new can be offered there either, the information field is filled with all sorts of different things, young people listen ... but you can't understand who they are listening to.
                    Time will tell what is superficial and what is true.
                    1. DrEng527
                      DrEng527 19 October 2020 11: 44
                      0
                      Quote: rocket757
                      The only question is how to educate the younger generation ...

                      if this is done on a lie, as in the USSR, then the catastrophe of the late 80s is inevitable ... request
                      Quote: rocket757
                      Time will tell what is superficial and what is true.

                      almost 70 years have passed since his death ... a sufficient period! the revival of faith in the IVS / USSR is currently amusing - people did not live in the USSR and feed on myths request
                      1. rocket757
                        rocket757 19 October 2020 12: 07
                        0
                        I am Soviet in age and spirit. I can compare what they are chatting and inventing now with what was real.
                        Not everything, of course, what I saw, participated, I KNOW.
                        So sho me all sorts of empty, fraudulent ranting, for a long time, just neighing.
                        By the way, belief in myths, the habit of referring to the fact that even the grass was greener before, is not our invention. So it was from time immemorial, EVERYWHERE, for all peoples.
                      2. DrEng527
                        DrEng527 19 October 2020 12: 34
                        -1
                        Quote: rocket757
                        As it was from time immemorial, EVERYWHERE, among all peoples.

                        Naturally. However, if you remember, at the end of the 80s, the data was opened and it turned out, for example, that it was not Hitler, there were many tanks, etc. request Well, why lie to the propaganda of the USSR after the war? War is yes - there is propaganda. And then? One goal is to whitewash the leadership of the CPSU (b) and the Red Army ...
                      3. rocket757
                        rocket757 19 October 2020 13: 25
                        0
                        Propaganda is a phenomenon that cannot be blamed for anyone ... the phenomenon is COMMON and ALWAYS.
                        There are, of course, different limits, reasonable, necessary, and actually what can be called rabid, complete madness.
                        And everywhere for everyone, the same thing, i.e. nobody is an exception.
                        I know many examples of more terrible, catastrophic circumstances that can be blamed on specific people, politicians and leaders. Both here and in any other country ...
                        This, of course, does not plead the guilt of those on whom some part of society is up in arms, BUT, each case should be considered separately, and then you can try to unite all this into a single whole .... and you know, it will turn out HOW EVERYWHERE they acted in the same circumstances! !! Nothing new, nothing exceptional.
                        In general, in our history a lot of different, tragic and great things have happened, but this fully fits into the general world history !!!
                        Let us recall the "bloody tyrant" Ivan the Terrible, for example. So he will be white and fluffy, in comparison with some figures of the "enlightened, civilized" gamerope. And so it is always and in everything, if you carefully deal with everything.
                        Everything can be weighed on the scales of history, the question of WHO will be weighed and judged. Certainly, I, the Western "judges" do not trust this case. We ourselves need to rate ourselves and our leaders. So it will be more correct and more accurate.
                      4. DrEng527
                        DrEng527 19 October 2020 13: 34
                        -1
                        Quote: rocket757
                        And so it is always and in everything, if you carefully deal with everything.

                        alas, but the Soviet period does not apply to this - there was a lot of blood and nonsense ... by the way - so far, a lot of truth has not been said about VOSR, the GW and the 20s ... it is just monstrous ...
                        Quote: rocket757
                        We ourselves need to rate ourselves and our leaders. So it will be more correct and more accurate.

                        I absolutely agree, but if we wait another 70 years, do we have them? Until now, there is no honest history of the Second World War, but how many years have passed ... compare with Churchill - he wrote fairly honestly after 5 years ... Yes, and RYAV was described honestly enough right away ... so this is the result of SV and lies ... really too scary ... request But if you don't say it, it will be even worse - this will once again undermine the country ...
                      5. rocket757
                        rocket757 19 October 2020 13: 55
                        0
                        Quote: DrEng527
                        alas, but the Soviet period does not apply to this - there was too much blood and nonsense

                        It depends on what to compare!
                        Take any similar period in any other country and you will see the SAME, no better.
                        It's just that foreigners don't like to remember this !!!
                        Choose ANY EXAMPLE from our history and compare with the same from the history of any country ... one to one, if not more abruptly, in accordance with the size of the states.
                        It's just that we never had a habit of blaming Western guardians for a beam in their eye when they noticed a speck in ours. It did not take root with us at such a universal level, as it takes place with THEM!
                      6. DrEng527
                        DrEng527 19 October 2020 14: 53
                        -1
                        Quote: rocket757
                        Take any similar period in any other country and you will see the SAME, no better.

                        if during the revolution, then yes, there were enough savagery everywhere, but we were opposed only in China and in Kampuchea ... request At least it was long ago and less well documented ... request
                        Quote: rocket757
                        It did not take root with us at such a universal level, as it takes place with THEM!

                        they don't bother me from the word at all ... request classics like they hang blacks good for propaganda ...
                      7. rocket757
                        rocket757 19 October 2020 15: 44
                        0
                        Quote: DrEng527
                        we were oppressed only in China and Kampuchea

                        Is not a fact! If you trace the bloody history of the most, most, there will be three China ... and yes, they didn't do it with their people, like, they did it. Then what, okay, forget ???
                        Quote: DrEng527
                        classics like they hang blacks good for propaganda

                        Well, we didn't hang blacks at all. But the white "civilized" man distinguished himself, left his bloody trail everywhere.
                        To summarize - we will deal with our history by ourselves! Despite the nonsense and howling of the small-town "progressive" public, the PEOPLE have their own firm opinion, which cannot be explained by any propaganda, myths. Because there is plenty of any information to assess past events and nothing new from the archives, ANY one, can no longer be scraped together.
                      8. DrEng527
                        DrEng527 20 October 2020 11: 30
                        0
                        Quote: rocket757
                        and yes, they didn't do it with their people, like, they did it. Then what, okay, forget ???

                        why forget? it's just not an excuse for our problems and deeds ...
                        Quote: rocket757
                        Well, we didn't hang blacks at all.

                        alas, you are somewhat exaggerating ... see the uprising in Kazakhstan in 1916 ... request We had different pages in history - each nation has its own truth ...

                        Quote: rocket757
                        we will deal with our history by ourselves!

                        I agree, but it would be nice to find out in time ... request Let's wait for an honest description of the country's policy in 1939-41 and the beginning of the Second World War? Trends now indicate that it will not be soon ... request A simple question - General Pavlov - who? Traitor or slob?
                        Quote: rocket757
                        THE PEOPLE have their own stable opinion, which cannot be explained by any propaganda, myths.

                        I think you are mistaken - the people consist of different strata, in which different opinions, for example, about collectivization ... request
                        Quote: rocket757
                        nothing new from the archives, ANYONE, can no longer be scraped together.

                        you are mistaken ... a simple question - why did VIL buy 1000 steam locomotives for gold at an exorbitant price, although they could have been made in the RSFSR - to whom will the kickback? And there are a LOT of such questions!
                      9. rocket757
                        rocket757 20 October 2020 12: 01
                        0
                        Nothing fundamentally can be changed, with people whose opinion has already been established.
                        The only question is how and what we will teach the growing hit.
                        At the expense of lies and embellishments, as well as denigrating our history .... I have always written, write and will write that there is nothing more reliable than the TRUTH! not the interpretation that is cut for the sake of momentary wishes, but the way it really was.
                      10. DrEng527
                        DrEng527 20 October 2020 12: 39
                        0
                        Quote: rocket757
                        Nothing fundamentally can be changed, with people whose opinion has already been established.

                        it looks like you didn't live in perestroika .... request
                        Quote: rocket757
                        but the way she really was.

                        solidarity - the question is - why not? Why do they keep lying? and not in private matters related to the names of the intelligence officers, but in whole blocks of history - part of it I pointed out to you ... well, why did we bomb Finland first after June 22? She did not declare war ... request
                      11. rocket757
                        rocket757 20 October 2020 13: 12
                        0
                        Any question of history needs ACCURACY.
                        What objects were bombed on someone's territory, why and why?
                        Human creation is difficult / simple, depending on many reasons!
                        Therefore, it is worth recognizing that there is an established opinion based on correct knowledge, there are also established delusions based on not knowledge, based on incorrect information and other subjective reasons.
                        Which of these is subject to drastic changes?
                        I think a person is delusional as he gains knowledge in one form or another.
                        Much less often, you can change a person with sufficient knowledge on the topic on which they are trying to knock him off the pontal.
                        Everything is complicated / simple, this is how human life is.
                      12. DrEng527
                        DrEng527 20 October 2020 13: 16
                        0
                        Quote: rocket757
                        What objects were bombed on someone's territory, why and why?

                        This is a secondary question - the main one is that the USSR received not only a war with Germany, but also with Finland ... 2 km of front and 000 divisions ... WHY?

                        Quote: rocket757
                        I think a person is delusional as he gains knowledge in one form or another.

                        I agree - the question is - why are these delusions drilled in? Why did they lie in the USSR about the initial period of the war?
                      13. rocket757
                        rocket757 20 October 2020 13: 23
                        +1
                        There are no secondary questions to war!
                        What objects were bombed and why?
                        Now I have no time to figure it out, then ... but this question seemed to be discussed?
                        If memory serves, it said about the airfields and aviation of the Germans, which carried out raids on OUR TERRITORY from the territory of the Finns?
                        If this is the case, or something like that, it is just a MILITARY NECESSITY !!! and no one has the right to "quack" in our direction, because they did exactly the same.
                        We need ACCURACY, the manipulation of slogans is not for us.
                      14. DrEng527
                        DrEng527 20 October 2020 14: 01
                        0
                        Quote: rocket757
                        There are no secondary questions to war!

                        you are mistaken - to attack airfields on foreign territory is not even a reason - it's just a war ...
                        Quote: rocket757
                        and German aviation, which carried out raids on OUR TERRITORY from the territory of the Finns?

                        So what? the Germans moved through Sweden and fought against us in Norway - to attack Sweden too? I will note that Japan drowned our TR, but nothing - they endured ... so Finland could be dealt with later ... request
                        Quote: rocket757
                        NECESSITY!!! and no one has the right to "quack" in our direction, because they did exactly the same.

                        send slogans ... there was such a thing - not to succumb to provocations ... bully
                      15. rocket757
                        rocket757 20 October 2020 15: 09
                        0
                        Then I'll see, I need to figure it out.
                      16. DrEng527
                        DrEng527 20 October 2020 16: 13
                        0
                        "On June 22, 1941, in response to the occupation of the demilitarized zone of the Aland Islands by Finnish troops, the Finnish troops were bombarded by Soviet aviation. On June 25, the Soviet air force launched an airstrike on 18 Finnish airfields involved in military operations and several settlements."
                        Well, there was nothing to do with the Red Army Air Force on June 22! and on June 26, it was necessary to bomb the German tank columns of Goth request
  • paul3390
    paul3390 16 October 2020 10: 24
    17
    Yes, comrade Stalin on the nonsense of any rabbits - deep down to the pager. For he has the main thing - the deep and sincere respect of the majority of the people. There is a reason. Well, the rabbits - today they are, and tomorrow - already gone .. Their shit the snow-white jacket of the Supreme, even a couple of drops are not able to splash ..
  • Svarog
    Svarog 16 October 2020 10: 36
    19
    But the old record about Stalin's crimes will still sound in Russia, and, I think, not because it was paid for by the owners of the same Memorial from abroad. Because a generation of those who hate our past has already grown up and is even beginning to grow old.

    The past cannot be hated at all, whatever it may be. Well, the past that Stalin made can only be hated by those who hate Russia in general. For all the strength of the spirit, the will of the people, the country's achievements, all this came from that past ... created by the people under the leadership of Stalin. Figures are stubborn things and it is difficult to manipulate them, although all sorts of Svanidze and others are trying to do it .. but such indicators in such difficult times were never seen in Russia, as under Stalin.
    1. tatra
      tatra 16 October 2020 11: 39
      +1
      The enemies of the communists, who took the past, the present, and the future from the republics of the USSR and their peoples captured by them, proved that they are generally fierce enemies of their country and people, they rage not just against the USSR and Stalin, but against the BEST State for their country and people, against the BEST leader of their State for all ages. And if people are sincere, they do not need to lie, slander, hypocrite, and all the anti-Soviet propaganda of the enemies of the communists is sheer lies, slander, hypocrisy, double standards.
    2. DrEng527
      DrEng527 16 October 2020 14: 40
      -13 qualifying.
      Quote: Svarog
      , all this came from that past .. created by the people under the leadership of Stalin.

      Russia before the Bolsheviks was 1000 years old. I hope there will be no less after that .. this is a very small, but bloody period in its history ..
  • imobile2008
    imobile2008 16 October 2020 10: 42
    -5
    Yarovaya's children live abroad. And she adopts such laws, collects data about Russians, and then all sorts of foreign intelligence uses these data. I have to ask, and Who is Mrs. Yarovaya in reality and for whom does she work?
    1. nemez
      nemez 16 October 2020 10: 53
      +1
      Evidence in the studio liberal S.ranny
      1. imobile2008
        imobile2008 16 October 2020 10: 57
        -7
        https://www.svoboda.org/a/25010853.html
        Notably, the Internet was cleaned, right now I'll find it
        1. forester1971
          forester1971 16 October 2020 11: 10
          +8
          A very "authoritative" source is radio freedom. And an article about the children of Mizulina, not Yarovaya. But it doesn't matter to you, the main thing is to spit.
          1. imobile2008
            imobile2008 16 October 2020 11: 22
            -5
            This event of the year was a month ago, it was on all sites. But now everything was cleaned. And you thought why we do not know anything about the children of politicians? Because all of them are LGBT, so they hide it. In other countries, the children of politicians are famous, they are engaged in charity work and other good deeds. People choose them for family values. Since the children are like that, then the parents are good. And the children of our officials, who are screwed in the ass, are nothing good.
            1. forester1971
              forester1971 16 October 2020 11: 48
              +6
              Tell someone else about the tales that everything was cleaned on the Internet, especially about the politics of the second echelon. I am not defending Yarovaya, she is on my side, but unfounded accusations are an indicator of your decency. It's funny to read what you write - "In other countries, the children of politicians are famous, they are engaged in charity work, other good deeds. People choose them for family values" - do you really think so? Have there been any scandals, including those of a sexual nature, with the children of Western politicians?
            2. Hagen
              Hagen 16 October 2020 13: 26
              +2
              Quote: imobile2008
              In other countries, the children of politicians are famous, they are engaged in charity work and other good deeds.

              Like the son of a candidate for the US Presidency ... wassat
            3. BAI
              BAI 16 October 2020 17: 21
              +1
              This event of the year was a month ago, it was on all sites. But now everything was cleaned.

              How is the classic? "I didn't post it, so it wasn't."
    2. lucul
      lucul 16 October 2020 11: 35
      +3
      Yarovaya's children live abroad. And she adopts such laws, collects data about Russians, and then all sorts of foreign intelligence uses these data. We must ask, who is Mrs. Yarovaya really and for whom does she work?

      Chutzpah - in its original form, neither add nor subtract. Straight exemplary.
  • comradChe
    comradChe 16 October 2020 10: 51
    +3
    Vishnevsky is the right wing of the ruling party and voices what it does without comment. This is the point. And all sorts of articles of the Criminal Code without law enforcement practice to the main liars is a screen.
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 16 October 2020 11: 36
      10
      Stalin, there is Stalin!
      1. DrEng527
        DrEng527 16 October 2020 14: 43
        -8
        The words are beautiful ... let me remind you that in 1936 there were about 2 million kulaks in exile, more than 1,5 million were in the Gulag, and mass arrests were made all over the country without trial and with a very curious consequence - by knocking out testimonies through physical and moral torture. .. so the usual demagoguery of Bolsheviks ...
        1. BAI
          BAI 16 October 2020 17: 32
          +3
          Let me remind you that in 1936 there were about 2 million kulaks in exile, more than 1,5 million were in the Gulag,

          When you are lying, look around at the documents at least a little. It's okay to overestimate it at times, but dozens of times - not at any gate.
          1. DrEng527
            DrEng527 17 October 2020 13: 55
            -2
            Quote: BAI
            When you lie

            this is your path. request
            Quote: BAI
            look back at the documents a little.

            I recommend Zemsky's works:
            "The history of special settlement dates back to 1929, when the first parties of peasants
            (the so-called fists and podkulachnikov) were sent to a special settlement
            (labor settlement). Otherwise it was called "kulak exile", In the help of the Department for
            special settlers of the GULAG about the GPU under the title "Information about the evicted
            the kulaks in 1930-31. " it was indicated that during this period it was evicted (with
            sending for special settlement) 381026 families with a total number of +1 803 392
            human [1]. The same document presented the statistics of the evicted
            families by region (tab. 1). "
            I do not expect an apology for the insult due to the understanding of the mentality of a public like you ... request
            1. mat-vey
              mat-vey 17 October 2020 14: 29
              0
              Quote: DrEng527
              I do not expect an apology for the insult due to the understanding of the mentality of a public like you ...

              Well, since you mentioned V. Zemskov:
              “Thus, based on our version of the total number of repressed for political reasons, the proportion of those in the population who lived in 1918-1958 is 2.5% (about 10 million in relation to over 400 million). This means that 97.5% of the population of the USSR was not subjected to political repression in any form. " Let me clarify that the scientist is considering a broad interpretation of the concept of "repressed for political reasons", including the deported, dispossessed, subjected to "cleansing" for social reasons, etc.
              Realizing the admiration of Russian society for the West, Zemskov advises to listen to the conclusions of the American historian Robert Thurgston: “the system of Stalinist terror in the form in which it was described by previous generations of [Western] researchers never existed; the influence of terror on Soviet society during the Stalin years was not significant; there was no mass fear of reprisals in the 1930s in the Soviet Union; the repressions were limited and did not affect the majority of the Soviet people; Soviet society rather supported the Stalinist regime than feared it; for most people, the Stalinist system provided the opportunity to move up and participate in public life ”(p. 100).
              1. DrEng527
                DrEng527 17 October 2020 15: 13
                -1
                Quote: mat-vey
                Zemskova stuttered:

                1) i.e. they admitted their lies and slander against me and kept silent? bully
                2) Zemskov din, worked in the archives, so his tsifir can be trusted, but his conclusions, including those based on the conclusions of the American, are nonsense! The repression of 10 million people, of which more than 1,5 million died as nonsense, can only be considered by a person with a "logic" distorted by the scoop ... request
                In response, I will enlighten you according to the document you cited:
                Quote: BAI
                It's okay to overestimate it at times, but dozens of times - not at any gate.

                Quote: DrEng527
                there were more than 1,5 млн, and mass arrests were made all over the country without trial and with a very curious consequence -

                1) we read the document you cited - convicted under political articles - 1,39 million, arrested 2,25 million ... request
                2) tens of times this is more than 10 times ... 1,39 * 10 = 13,4 ... however, I indicated 1,5 in the GULAG ... hence the conclusions:
                a) you are illiterate and do not know the basics of arithmetic ...
                b) you are also illiterate and unable to read the above document ...
                c) Both options ...
                Choose your own option hi
                And finally, there were also criminals in the Gulag, some of whom were criminals only for the SV - for example, under the law on spikelets ... so my figure of 1,5 million is the lower estimate ... hi
                1. mat-vey
                  mat-vey 17 October 2020 15: 27
                  0
                  Quote: DrEng527
                  those. they admitted their lies and slander against me and kept silent?

                  and what is the lie?
                  Quote: DrEng527
                  The repression of 10 million people, of which more than 1,5 million died, can only be considered nonsense.

                  Well, your logic is okay - there are no traitors, no punishers, no personalities ready for selfish interests (ah, sorry political) to keep millions of people in the position of draft animals, but if you fight them, you try to build for everyone independently a decent life from a pedigree, then yes - you are a tyrant ...
                  Hence the conclusions - do you think that not all people are worthy of a normal life? That there are "chosen ones" who have the right to dispose of the lives of others, and they do not even have the right to resist the bestial fate?
                  1. DrEng527
                    DrEng527 19 October 2020 11: 23
                    0
                    Quote: mat-vey
                    and what is the lie?

                    in your quote from Zemsky ... request
                    Quote: mat-vey
                    there are no traitors, no punishers, no personalities ready for the sake of selfish interests (ah, sorry political) to keep millions of people in the position of draft animals

                    1) I previously asked the question - why did so many traitors and punishers appear in the USSR? Is this not a consequence of the cannibalistic policy of the SV?
                    2) It was the SV that reintroduced serfdom in the countryside through collective farms and secured workers in factories, as under the Demidovs ... hi do you have a self-prop bully The same Khrushchev admitted that he lived as a locksmith in RI better than as a locksmith in the USSR ... repeat
                    Quote: mat-vey
                    , but if you fight them, try to build a decent life for everyone, regardless of pedigree, then yes, you are a tyrant ...

                    Seriously? Was it his son Vasya who became a general at the captain's age by accident? Regardless of dad? bully
                    Quote: mat-vey
                    do you think that not all people deserve a normal life?

                    yes, I think so ... those who honestly work according to the law are worthy, and lazy people and other demagogues are by no means ...
                    Quote: mat-vey
                    there are "chosen ones" who have the right to dispose of the lives of others, and those who do not even have the right to resist the bestial fate?

                    1) this is how human society is arranged - there is an elite and there is a people. The problem is that when the elites change, the people begin to live even worse ... request
                    2) those who do not want to live and work honestly usually resist! And by their work to make a career - see the story of many in the Republic of Ingushetia - how the father got out of the rank and file into junior officers with his service and bravery, and the son was already a general ... or the story of revolutionaries - bandits - of the same IVS (robbed banks), brigade commander of the Red Army Kotovsky was robbed in Bessarabia, the Red Army commander Mishka Yaponchik was just a bandit! They resisted the beastly fate ... bully
                    1. mat-vey
                      mat-vey 19 October 2020 16: 11
                      0
                      Quote: DrEng527
                      in your quote from Zemsky ...

                      And what is there "false"?
                      Quote: DrEng527
                      ... or the history of revolutionaries - bandits - of the same IVS (robbed banks)

                      And after that you something about a lie, something ... you can't even pick up a word ...
                      Keep reading light ....
                      1. DrEng527
                        DrEng527 20 October 2020 11: 36
                        0
                        Quote: mat-vey
                        And what is there "false"?

                        Quote: mat-vey
                        This means that 97.5% of the population of the USSR was not subjected to political repression in any form. "

                        Bolsheviks are a priori cannibals ... repeat
                        Quote: mat-vey
                        And after that you something about a lie, something ... you can't even pick up a word ...

                        this is noticeable ... and it is also noticeable that you know little about the "revolutionary" past of the IVS in Baku, where he and Kamo were engaged in racketeering and robbery at the Bolsheviks' cashier ... hi
                        Quote: mat-vey
                        Keep reading light ....

                        keep reading the Short Course of the CPSU (b) and build socialism in a single country ... bully
                      2. mat-vey
                        mat-vey 20 October 2020 14: 57
                        0
                        Quote: DrEng527
                        ... and it is also noticeable that you know little about the "revolutionary" past of the IVS in Baku, where he and Kamo were engaged in racketeering and robbery at the Bolsheviks' cashier ...

                        You seem to live in a fantasy world ...
                        Quote: DrEng527
                        This means that 97.5% of the population of the USSR was not subjected to political repression in any form. "

                        Bolsheviks are a priori cannibals ...

                        Then you do not refer to Zemsky - use only literature from the Vlasov centers ...
                      3. DrEng527
                        DrEng527 20 October 2020 16: 04
                        0
                        Quote: mat-vey
                        You seem to live in a fantasy world ...

                        By no means, you are illiterate ...
                        “Here, for the sake of objectivity, it is worth noting that the Bolsheviks, although, unlike the socialist-revolutionaries (Socialist-Revolutionaries), were not fond of terrorist acts against government officials, they robbed banks and postal carriages carrying money (the most notorious robber was the famous revolutionary S. Ter-Petrosyan, nicknamed Kamo), not stopping before killing innocent servicemen, coachmen and horses.For example, in 1907, when robbing collectors of the State Bank in Tiflis, Kamo with accomplices in order to steal 341 thousand rubles, killed and maimed about fifty a man and a dozen horses. "
                      4. mat-vey
                        mat-vey 20 October 2020 16: 07
                        0
                        Quote: DrEng527
                        Quote: mat-vey
                        You seem to live in a fantasy world ...

                        By no means, you are illiterate ...
                        “Here, for the sake of objectivity, it is worth noting that the Bolsheviks, although, unlike the socialist-revolutionaries (Socialist-Revolutionaries), were not fond of terrorist acts against government officials, they robbed banks and postal carriages carrying money (the most notorious robber was the famous revolutionary S. Ter-Petrosyan, nicknamed Kamo), not stopping before killing innocent servicemen, coachmen and horses.For example, in 1907, when robbing collectors of the State Bank in Tiflis, Kamo with accomplices in order to steal 341 thousand rubles, killed and maimed about fifty a man and a dozen horses. "

                        Well, where about Stalin then? Read. Read "Ogonyok" further - it's yours.
                    2. DrEng527
                      DrEng527 20 October 2020 16: 05
                      0
                      Quote: mat-vey
                      Then you do not refer to Zemsky - use only literature from the Vlasov centers ...

                      1) I myself will decide what to do!
                      2) your desire to be a patriot is ridiculous - the proletarians have no fatherland ... request
                    3. mat-vey
                      mat-vey 20 October 2020 16: 12
                      0
                      Quote: DrEng527
                      ) I myself will decide what to do!

                      Oh, lie as much as you like ...
                    4. DrEng527
                      DrEng527 20 October 2020 16: 22
                      0
                      Quote: mat-vey
                      Oh, lie as much as you like ...

                      lie is your path ... bully
                      Quote: DrEng527
                      S.A. Ter-Petrosyan, nicknamed Kamo

                      "From childhood, a close acquaintance, and then a colleague of his fellow countryman Stalin. He, being his tutor of the Russian language [1], attracted him to revolutionary work [3]. Under the influence of Stalin and Vardayants, he became acquainted with Marxism. In 1901 he joined the RSDLP , for two years carried out technical assignments and received the name "Kamo". "
                      enlighten ... bully
                      "The exact actions of Stalin on the day of the robbery are unknown and controversial. [16] One of the sources, P. A. Pavlenko, claimed that Stalin participated in the attack and was wounded by a bomb fragment. [16] Kamo later stated that Stalin was actively involved in the robbery and watched the operation from afar. [23] [32] Another source claimed in a police report that Stalin “watched the ruthless bloodshed from the courtyard of the mansion, smoking a cigarette.” [32] Another source claims that Stalin was in fact during the robbery was at the railway station, not in the square.32 Stalin's cousin says that Stalin returned home on the night of the robbery and told his family about the success of the operation. [33]

                      The role of Stalin was later discussed by his fellow party members Boris Nikolaevsky and Lev Trotsky. In his book Stalin - The Assessment of a Man and His Influence, Trotsky analyzed numerous publications describing the Tiflis expropriation and other operations of the Bolsheviks of that time, and came to the conclusion that Stalin directed the operations from afar [3]. According to Nikolayevsky, "Stalin's role in the activities of the Kamo group was subsequently exaggerated" [6]. Kuhn later found official archival documents that clearly show that "from late 1904 or early 1905 Stalin took part in drawing up plans for expropriation", adding "it is now clear that Stalin controlled the plans of the group from the very beginning", which carried out the Tiflis robbery [34]. "
                    5. mat-vey
                      mat-vey 20 October 2020 16: 25
                      0
                      Quote: DrEng527
                      Quote: mat-vey
                      Oh, lie as much as you like ...

                      lie is your path ... bully
                      Quote: DrEng527
                      S.A. Ter-Petrosyan, nicknamed Kamo

                      "From childhood, a close acquaintance, and then a colleague of his fellow countryman Stalin. He, being his tutor of the Russian language [1], attracted him to revolutionary work [3]. Under the influence of Stalin and Vardayants, he became acquainted with Marxism. In 1901 he joined the RSDLP , for two years carried out technical assignments and received the name "Kamo". "
                      enlighten ... bully
                      "The exact actions of Stalin on the day of the robbery are unknown and controversial. [16] One of the sources, P. A. Pavlenko, claimed that Stalin participated in the attack and was wounded by a bomb fragment. [16] Kamo later stated that Stalin was actively involved in the robbery and watched the operation from afar. [23] [32] Another source claimed in a police report that Stalin “watched the ruthless bloodshed from the courtyard of the mansion, smoking a cigarette.” [32] Another source claims that Stalin was in fact during the robbery was at the railway station, not in the square.32 Stalin's cousin says that Stalin returned home on the night of the robbery and told his family about the success of the operation. [33]

                      The role of Stalin was later discussed by his fellow party members Boris Nikolaevsky and Lev Trotsky. In his book Stalin - The Assessment of a Man and His Influence, Trotsky analyzed numerous publications describing the Tiflis expropriation and other operations of the Bolsheviks of that time, and came to the conclusion that Stalin directed the operations from afar [3]. According to Nikolayevsky, "Stalin's role in the activities of the Kamo group was subsequently exaggerated" [6]. Kuhn later found official archival documents that clearly show that "from late 1904 or early 1905 Stalin took part in drawing up plans for expropriation", adding "it is now clear that Stalin controlled the plans of the group from the very beginning", which carried out the Tiflis robbery [34]. "

                      In short - apart from fantasies and lies, you again have nothing ...
                    6. DrEng527
                      DrEng527 20 October 2020 16: 33
                      0
                      Quote: mat-vey
                      In short - apart from fantasies and lies, you again have nothing ...

                      sorry for you - you have no arguments, but only fanatical belief in an idol ... request
                    7. mat-vey
                      mat-vey 20 October 2020 16: 47
                      0
                      Quote: DrEng527
                      sorry for you - you have no arguments, but only a fanatical belief in an idol.

                      When there is a bunch of conflicting "facts" on one issue, it means nothing but lies ... Even a child is able to understand this .. Although if you really want to believe - believe and lie this is your business ...
                    8. DrEng527
                      DrEng527 20 October 2020 18: 27
                      0
                      Quote: mat-vey
                      Although if you really want to believe - believe and lie this is your business ...

                      plagiarism of arguments went .. wink
                      Quote: mat-vey
                      Even a child can understand this.

                      fi, the argumentation has become quite poor ... I will note - I gave you information, not demagoguery ... request
                    9. mat-vey
                      mat-vey 21 October 2020 14: 29
                      0
                      Quote: DrEng527
                      Although if you really want to believe - believe and lie this is your business ...

                      plagiarism of arguments went ..

                      Plagiarism - The issuance of someone else's work for their own or illegal publication of someone else's work under their own name, literary theft. Do you know the exact meaning of the words you are using?
                    10. DrEng527
                      DrEng527 21 October 2020 14: 44
                      0
                      Quote: mat-vey
                      Do you know the exact meaning of the words you are using?

                      of course - you use my images - this is plagiarism ... hi
                    11. mat-vey
                      mat-vey 21 October 2020 15: 00
                      0
                      Quote: DrEng527
                      Although if you really want to believe - believe and lie this is your business ...

                      Quote: mat-vey
                      Plagiarism - The issuance of someone else's work for their own or illegal publication of someone else's work under their own name, literary theft. Do you know the exact meaning of the words you are using?

                      Quote: DrEng527
                      of course - you use my images - this is plagiarism ...
            2. mat-vey
              mat-vey 20 October 2020 17: 02
              0
              And yes, about the logic - it can be seen with this and the tsarist secret police had problems ... and there were informants, and there were investigators, but there were no charges - probably Stalin was their idol ...
            3. DrEng527
              DrEng527 20 October 2020 18: 28
              0
              Quote: mat-vey
              there was no accusation - probably Stalin was their idol ...

              you don't even know the biography of your idol? bully drove him into exile ... and so the people were solid - Kamo imitated madness ...
            4. mat-vey
              mat-vey 21 October 2020 14: 33
              0
              Quote: DrEng527
              you don't even know the biography of your idol? bully drove him into exile ...

              On March 25, 1908, Stalin was arrested in Baku and imprisoned in the Bayil prison. From February 27 to June 24, 1909, he was in exile in the city of Solvychegodsk, Vologda province ..


              Smilofag - an inhabitant of the Internet who uses smilies (text or graphic) too much and too often.
              In the process of sharp Internet polemics, emoticons are often used by inexperienced disputants (the more experienced, as well as the smarter, in this scenario, on the contrary, use a card trick - a poherface) in order to try to hide their actual emotional state from their opponent. According to the plan of such a fighter, the emoticons abundantly placed throughout the text should, in an unrestricted manner, hint to the enemy that the enemy is cheerful and cheerful, and all attempts to anger and spoil the mood have not been successful. But since a pissed off person loses the ability to think normally, his angry text with a ton of emoticons looks especially comical and is a good example of mutually exclusive paragraphs.
            5. DrEng527
              DrEng527 21 October 2020 14: 40
              0
              Quote: mat-vey
              Smilofag -

              Is that all you can do? Sorry for you laughing
            6. mat-vey
              mat-vey 21 October 2020 14: 58
              0
              Well, here's a smiley again
              Smilophilia is a completely and completely useless and meaningless activity / hobby. Nothing, besides irritation, reasonable suspicions of trolling and / or not far from abuse thereof, will not cause the surrounding users and interlocutors.

              As a consequence, for the above reasons, smilephilia is a favorite method of trolls to piss off their opponents. Often used by flooders and hamsters.
            7. DrEng527
              DrEng527 21 October 2020 16: 04
              0
              Quote: mat-vey
              Well, here's a smiley again

              you seem to be hysterical .. bully I recommend that you contact the forum management to get rid of the emoticons if they make you so nervous ... request
            8. mat-vey
              mat-vey 21 October 2020 16: 11
              0
              Quote: DrEng527
              you seem to be hysterical .. bully I recommend contacting the forum management so that they get away with emoticons if they make you so nervous ...

              Aha hysterics, from laughter ...
  • Plastmaster
    Plastmaster 21 October 2020 18: 15
    -1
    Quote: DrEng527
    The words are beautiful ... let me remind you that in 1936 there were about 2 million kulaks in exile, more than 1,5 million were in the Gulag, and mass arrests were made all over the country without trial and with a very curious consequence - by knocking out testimonies through physical and moral torture. .. so the usual demagoguery of Bolsheviks ...

    And who planted them then? Whippers, hangers-on, those who squeezed out the households. And how many exes were ..... Who themselves wrote in their memoirs that they crap as best they could.
    1. DrEng527
      DrEng527 22 October 2020 13: 49
      0
      Quote: Plastmaster
      Whippers, hangers-on, those who squeezed out the households.

      this is the policy of SV - extrajudicial reprisals request
      Quote: Plastmaster
      Who themselves wrote in their memoirs that they shit as best they could.

      and they were supposed to kiss those who robbed and killed them? People were amazed at their rights - what do you want?
      1. Plastmaster
        Plastmaster 24 October 2020 07: 09
        -1
        Quote: DrEng527
        this is the policy of SV - extrajudicial reprisals
        Quote: Plastmaster
        Who themselves wrote in their memoirs that they shit as best they could.

        and they were supposed to kiss those who robbed and killed them? People were amazed at their rights - what do you want?

        So read the memoirs of whites, how they organized groups, how they planned, and how they carried out their revenge. Why should ordinary people love them? For the fact that the wives of the officers, the elite, with crazy eyes learned to live like those who worked for them and for them?
        1. DrEng527
          DrEng527 24 October 2020 15: 12
          0
          Quote: Plastmaster
          So read the memoirs of whites, how they organized groups, how they planned, and how they carried out their revenge.

          read the memoirs of revolutionaries - is there a difference?
          Quote: Plastmaster
          Why should ordinary people love them?

          what does love have to do with it? Did ordinary people live better after the 1917 revolution? Khrushchev himself said something else ... request
          Quote: Plastmaster
          with crazy eyes learned to live,

          and what's good about that? Let me remind you that RIA in 1914 successfully beat the Germans with the officers - the spouses of these wives ... and the new commanders ineptly merged the personnel of the Red Army in 1941 request And after that, shoulder straps appeared, the officers 'meetings and officers' wives ceased to work en masse ... and why did they shed so much blood? hi
  • iouris
    iouris 16 October 2020 10: 58
    +2
    No need to flirt. Historical characters of this magnitude should be treated with reverence. The system he created has been disintegrating for about sixty years.
  • apro
    apro 16 October 2020 11: 04
    +6
    Discussing what they write about the IVS in Tallinn. The occupation is meaningless. Today, one tomorrow, the trend will change, the third will be written. Today, our society and the state has nothing to do with the state headed by the IVS. and all the contradictions come from here. the truth of the Soviet and Russian are not equal ...
    IVS Stalin remained in the past with its victories and defeats. The truth is the past as a bright future ... against the backdrop of the coming storm ...
  • depressant
    depressant 16 October 2020 11: 04
    +7
    There is a saying: the dog barks, the wind carries.
    The wind of history will fly over people like Vishnevsky and scatter them into dust.
    Iosif Vissarionovich will stay with us as long as we, truly Russians, are alive. The greatest leader of our people has done so much for us that we are still alive only thanks to him. And as long as at least one Russian is alive, Stalin will be our leader.

    Vishnevsky and others like him from the liberal cage are doing everything to prevent this from happening. They erase us and our leader from history. Stalin - a lie, us - physically. To do this, by cunning, betrayal and deceit, they drove us into their liberal concentration camp. The forecast for our extinction has been doubled. This year, more than 352 thousand people will die out of us. This is an excess over those born. Hitler in the next world must have been envious.
    We ought to resist.
    I am sure that Iosif Vissarionovich would have found a solution to organize the confrontation.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 16 October 2020 11: 27
      +5
      Quote: depressant
      The wind of history will fly over people like Vishnevsky and scatter them into dust.

      I am surprised that this is the son of siege parents who accidentally survived in Leningrad.
      1. Doctor
        Doctor 16 October 2020 11: 36
        -9
        I am surprised that this is the son of siege parents who accidentally survived in Leningrad.

        What's surprising? There was time to think during the blockade. And I thought well there ... winked
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 16 October 2020 12: 09
          +7
          Quote: Arzt
          What's surprising? There was time to think during the blockade. And it was good thought there.

          My grandmother survived the blockade, so the blockade is a ban on irony.
          1. Doctor
            Doctor 16 October 2020 12: 18
            -10 qualifying.
            My grandmother survived the blockade, so the blockade is a ban on irony.

            My aunt too. Therefore - no irony.

            During the blockade, there was time to think about how Leningrad ended up in the blockade in general.
            With such a "brilliant leader".

            And who in general had the idea to put on the generalissimo's uniform on a man who did not even serve as a private in the army and whose army, although it won the war (together with the allies), suffered the greatest losses in the history of mankind.

            King Pyrrhus said well about this:
            "If we gain another such victory over the Romans, we will finally perish."
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 16 October 2020 13: 31
              +1
              Quote: Arzt
              And who even thought to put on the generalissimo's uniform on a man,

              Well, Evgeny Svoysky was also not born in the military, but began his service as a volunteer.
              Yes, and we did not live at that time, and it is not for us to condemn our ancestors, grandfathers and fathers. We should sort it out with our time and understand who is who.
              1. Doctor
                Doctor 16 October 2020 13: 40
                -7
                Well, Evgeny Svoysky was also not born in the military, but began his service as a volunteer.
                Yes, and we did not live at that time, and it is not for us to condemn our ancestors, grandfathers and fathers. We should sort it out with our time and understand who is who.

                Do not condemn. But you don't need to pray for them either. Especially Comrade Stalin.
                A clear, critical assessment of activities. With all the pros and cons.
                1. tihonmarine
                  tihonmarine 16 October 2020 13: 58
                  +6
                  Quote: Arzt
                  Do not condemn. But you don't need to pray for them either. Especially Comrade Stalin.

                  Yes, except for Stalin, we have no one else to pray for. And I personally have no moral right to condemn him.
                  1. Doctor
                    Doctor 16 October 2020 14: 04
                    -6
                    Yes, except for Stalin, we have no one else to pray for. And I personally have no moral right to condemn him.

                    Yes, everyone who is after is better. There were fools, there were no cares, but no one tightened the noose around the people's necks like Dzhugashvili.

                    Which is understandable, because this people was a stranger to him.
                    1. tihonmarine
                      tihonmarine 16 October 2020 15: 07
                      +5
                      Quote: Arzt
                      Yes, everyone who is after is better. There were fools, there were no cares, but no one tightened the noose around the people's necks like Dzhugashvili.

                      Well, yes, Gorbachev and Yeltsin are your own fathers. To me, these two are the same as the guy from Braunau.
                      1. Doctor
                        Doctor 16 October 2020 15: 15
                        -5
                        Well, yes, Gorbachev and Yeltsin are your own fathers. To me, these two are the same as the guy from Braunau.

                        Gorbach and Eltsin are not, of course. These are the destroyers, the destroyers of the country.

                        But Leonid Ilyich Brezhnev, yes. It was quite possible to live in his state.
                        Stop introducing communism all over the world, smoothly reduce the army and the military-industrial complex to reasonable limits, a little more democracy, and voila.

                        Greater Socialist Switzerland.
    2. lucul
      lucul 16 October 2020 11: 30
      +3
      The forecast for our extinction has been doubled. This year, more than 352 thousand people will die out of us. This is an excess over those born. Hitler in the next world must have been envious.

      Let me remind you that Mendeleev predicted the size of Russia in 2020 - 400 million. man . Consider how genocidal we have been over the past 150 years.
      1. depressant
        depressant 16 October 2020 12: 39
        +2
        The western aristocracy has a lot of experience in genocide, they trained for many centuries - both on their own peoples and on many strangers. We can only hope that someday we will get rid of our own naivety. They threw us into the crucible of the revolution of 17th year, they needed our bowels, our territory. And then everything turned out forcedly. However, we got out. Now history repeats itself. There is no barbed wire, gas stoves do not burn, the conditions of genocide are implicit, it seems to be not there, but it is there.
      2. tatra
        tatra 16 October 2020 13: 25
        +1
        Enemies of the communists from perestroika times have been repeating Mendeleev's long-disproved forecast, according to which, in particular, the population of Finland, which "escaped the horrors of Bolshevism", by the end of the 20th century should have been 9-10 million people, and in 1991 there were only 5 million people ... And naturally, the enemies of the communists do not admit their guilt in the enormous demographic damage that they inflicted on the peoples in the republics of the USSR that they captured.
        1. lucul
          lucul 16 October 2020 13: 29
          +2
          And naturally, the enemies of the communists do not admit their guilt in the enormous demographic damage that they inflicted on the peoples in the republics of the USSR that they captured.

          Ie, in your opinion - this is the king, is to blame for the demographic damage? Wasn't he an enemy of the communists?
          1. tatra
            tatra 16 October 2020 13: 31
            0
            It is a strange question, but according to the cowardly, perverted "logic" of the enemies of the communists, who cowardly blamed on the Soviet communists for what they themselves did after the seizure of the USSR, then YES.
            1. lucul
              lucul 16 October 2020 13: 37
              -1
              It's a strange question, but according to the cowardly, perverted "logic" of the enemies of the communists, who cowardly blamed on the Soviet communists for what they themselves did after the capture of the USSR, then YES

              You have confused me. But after all, there were no mass deaths under the tsar, even after the February Revolution (British coup) there was no, but after the October Revolution, a mass plague of the population began ...
              1. tatra
                tatra 16 October 2020 13: 48
                -1
                Ha, I am acting in full accordance with the "ideology" of the Stalinophobes, who cowardly shifted the blame for the enormous supermortality of the people after their capture of the USSR on the Soviet communists. And what was there in Ingushetia, we will never know, because the demographic statistics in Ingushetia were carried out ugly, according to various sources, the population of Ingushetia in 1917 was from 166 to 184 million people. And under Soviet power in peacetime, the population of the USSR increased every year, except for 1933. And under the Stalinophobes in the 9 republics of the USSR that they captured, the population decreased, while in the rest the natural increase fell sharply.
                1. lucul
                  lucul 16 October 2020 13: 52
                  +1
                  Ha, I am acting in full accordance with the "ideology" of the Stalinophobes, who cowardly shifted the blame for the enormous supermortality of the people after their capture of the USSR on the Soviet communists. And what was there in Ingushetia, we will never know, because the demographic statistics in Ingushetia were carried out ugly, according to various sources, the population of Ingushetia in 1917 was from 166 to 184 million people. And under Soviet power in peacetime, the population of the USSR increased every year, except for 1933

                  They treated you well - right to the core - once again, the population growth that was under the tsar - the communists did not even get close. The reason - they broke Domostroy at the root.
                  1. tatra
                    tatra 16 October 2020 14: 02
                    +3
                    First, you don't have to fully cite moth comments. Secondly, the enemies of the communists on the territory of the USSR are not able to adequately perceive either themselves or reality, they are monstrously ignorant, and with all this they climb everywhere, impose their "opinion" everywhere. The large increase in the population of RI was not from the wonderful life of the people, but from the prohibition of abortion on pain of criminal punishment, the lack of contraception, from the fact that 85% of the population lived in villages, in communities where land was distributed according to the number of eaters - the more eaters, the more more land.
                    1. lucul
                      lucul 16 October 2020 14: 06
                      -3
                      The large increase in the population of RI was not from the wonderful life of the people, but from the prohibition of abortion on pain of criminal punishment, the lack of contraception, from the fact that 85% of the population lived in villages, in communities where land was distributed according to the number of eaters - the more eaters, the more more land.

                      Hmm ...
                      I wash my hands here - fanaticism in its pure and original form.
                      1. tatra
                        tatra 16 October 2020 14: 17
                        +3
                        Ha, everything, blown away. Enemies of the communists climb in droves to discuss the history of their country, but none of them is able to do it honestly, objectively, adequately, like citizens of their country, wishing well for their country and people. They always have only benefit and cowardice.
                      2. BAI
                        BAI 16 October 2020 18: 09
                        +2
                        Ha, everything, blown away

            2. BAI
              BAI 16 October 2020 18: 04
              +4
              But there were no mass deaths under the tsar

              1. Look at the mortality rate compared to other countries. The Politburo did not correct this data:

              How not to remember a certain nobleman V.I. Ulyanov:
              “Not only ruin, but a direct extinction of the Russian peasantry has been going on in the last decade with amazing rapidity” (Lenin, vol. 5, p. 297). (Complete SS - Moscow: Politizdat, 1958-1965).

              2. And there was also periodically hunger.
              In total, during the years 1891-1913, at least 7 million adults in “big cities” and 0,5-0,7 million per year in “small cities” throughout the Empire died from hunger, disease, epidemics, i.e. total - 17-19 million adults.
              1. lucul
                lucul 16 October 2020 18: 12
                -4
                Look at the mortality rate compared to other countries. The Politburo did not correct this data:

                Do not make me laugh .
                In those years, Russia was four times more populous than even France. So you can quadruple the numbers of other countries. Secondly, these are data for 4 -1905, and these years were deliberately chosen, because a little later the Spaniard appeared, mowing half of Europe. Google what the "Spanish flu" is and how much damage it has done to European countries. The Spaniard almost bypassed Russia.
                1. tatra
                  tatra 16 October 2020 18: 26
                  0
                  How the enemies of the communists love to demonstrate their stupidity and ignorance. It is written in the graph that the death rate per 100000 people.
                2. BAI
                  BAI 16 October 2020 21: 14
                  +3
                  Russia outnumbered even France by four times. So you can quadruple the numbers of other countries

                  Learn arithmetic. The figure is per 100. Therefore, it does not matter how much the total population was.
              2. DrEng527
                DrEng527 17 October 2020 15: 24
                -1
                Quote: BAI
                the direct extinction of the Russian peasantry has been going on in the last decade with amazing rapidity "(

                VIL, as usual, is lying ... request in the indicated years, the population growth in Ingushetia was 15-16 ppm ... request let me remind you that more than 80% of the population were peasants .. bully Absolutely in 1897 there were 129 million, and in 1914 - 178 million, if we take European Russia, then 94 and 128 million ...
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 16 October 2020 13: 34
      +1
      Quote: lucul
      Consider how genocidal we have been over the past 150 years.

      Rightly said, it is bitter here to tears and anger tears the soul.
    4. BAI
      BAI 16 October 2020 17: 39
      +2
      Mendeleev predicted the number of Russia in 2020 - 400 million

      Not correct. Mendeleev predicted for RI and did not foresee wars, even the First World War. And now there is only one Russian Federation without the former republics.
  • DrEng527
    DrEng527 16 October 2020 14: 44
    -6
    Quote: depressant
    as long as we, truly Russian,

    Are you Russian? if you consider the executioner of the Russian people an idol ... request
  • Seaflame
    Seaflame 16 October 2020 11: 11
    -13 qualifying.
    Stalin, of course, scum, and to understand this, one does not need to be a Jew or a liberal. Where do so many people sing praises to him? Completely brains or rather no conscience? You lose your human appearance, praising this cannibal. There are so many repressed, so many disadvantaged and disadvantaged, and their own citizens (Cossacks, clergy, intelligentsia, peasants, and you can list for a very long time).
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 16 October 2020 11: 23
      +9
      Quote: Seaflame
      Stalin, of course, scum.

      It turns out for you a guy with Brownau is an angel, and Mr. Rabbit is a loving father.
      1. Seaflame
        Seaflame 16 October 2020 12: 27
        -4
        I have no sympathy for the Brownau guy or Mr. Rabbit. You know, you can call white white and black black, whoever does it (liberal or communist, democrat or patriot, Georgian or Jew). Yes, it turns out that you can!
    2. lucul
      lucul 16 October 2020 11: 32
      -4
      There are so many repressed, so many disadvantaged and disadvantaged, and their own citizens (Cossacks, clergy, intelligentsia, peasants, and you can list for a very long time).

      From 1925 to 1953, something like 600 people. Compared to the Red Terror of the Bolsheviks of 000-1917 - not much.
    3. Egoza
      Egoza 16 October 2020 11: 40
      +3
      Quote: Seaflame
      There are so many repressed, so many disadvantaged and disadvantaged, and their own citizens (Cossacks, clergy, intelligentsia, peasants, and you can list for a very long time).

      Wow! This is all I.V. Did Stalin repress? And about those who wrote denunciations of people do not want to remember? After all, how many were repressed, there were so many denunciations. And the "intelligentsia" was in the forefront.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 16 October 2020 15: 11
        +2
        Quote: Egoza
        And about those who wrote denunciations of people do not want to remember?

        They do not want to, because everyone has more than one relative who wrote denunciations about friends, neighbors, and work colleagues.
      2. BAI
        BAI 16 October 2020 18: 18
        +3
        After all, how many were repressed, there were so many denunciations.

        And here you are wrong. There were significantly more denunciations than those repressed. (According to Dovlatov, denunciations are 1, and the repressed (according to documents) - somewhere around 500). Those. The "bloody" NKVD-MGB simply threw hundreds of thousands of denunciations into the trash heap. And if we take into account that they were repressed not only on the basis of denunciations, but also as a result of operational work, then, unambiguously, much more than a million denunciations were thrown out. Well, the Chekists did not want to listen to vigilant citizens, they covered up the "enemies of the people."
    4. tatra
      tatra 16 October 2020 11: 47
      +4
      That is the whole ideology of the Stalinophobes - bullshit rudeness, insults, unsubstantiated justification of criminals, and on this basis, slanderous accusations of Stalin's crimes. You, the Stalinophobes "liberated" by Gorbachev, proved by your own example that not only in the 30s, but even after 50 years or more, what a huge number of criminals and fierce enemies of your country and people on the territory of the USSR. Therefore, slander for the Soviet period, you have the only justification for the capture of the USSR in more than 30 years.
      1. Seaflame
        Seaflame 16 October 2020 12: 29
        -6
        Yes, you have all criminals and fierce enemies except for the stalodrocherov, you would have driven everyone to the Gulag and flooded the country with blood. One thing pleases that such Shvonders and Sharikovs like you, this is already yesterday and the power of such will never return.
        1. tatra
          tatra 16 October 2020 12: 49
          +2
          Well, again, one and the same thing - anger, bullshit rudeness, insults, hypocrisy, lies, slander, justification of criminals. Not a single HONEST fact against Stalin and in the refutation of my words about the Stalinophobes. The enemies of the communists on the territory of the USSR believe that life must be lived in such a way that you are remembered not because of what you have done good and useful for your country and people, but only because you have been malignant against something or someone all your life. how your idols are Solzhenitsyn and Novodvorskaya, how you thank Gorbachev for destroying the country that was entrusted to him.
        2. depressant
          depressant 16 October 2020 13: 22
          +2
          No, colleague, not everyone would have been driven to the GULAG.
          You do not understand. It was a mortal battalion commander. Fight not for life, but to the death - what did you want? There were many people who did not understand, as you do not understand now, that only the widespread establishment of strong Soviet power would keep the country from disintegrating into many small, warring states, which were immediately turned into Western colonies with subsequent genocide of the local "savage" population.
          And yes, Stalin's unbending political will, who wanted to keep the country from such a fate, was often embodied by the hands of political opportunists, scoundrels - Stalin had no other people! Hence the unjustified sacrifices. But this is the general law of historical development, it always happens. History is not made in white robes and white gloves. And if there is such a uniform for making history, then for some reason the surgery of Dr. Mengele turns out. Implicitly being implemented right now on the territory of our country by our government.
          Well, they put Platoshkin, some students - a trifle that distracts us from the fact of our monstrous extinction without any gas chambers and torture. How cute, huh? Such is the humane genocide. There are no mass plantings, but there is genocide. But humane. And you - "Stalin! Stalin!" Yes, Stalin is a child in comparison with modern genocide carriers!
          Who can recall everything: the death of Russians in the now independent sultanates, the flight from there, the mass death of the population in Russia itself in the 90s (hunger, banditry, suicides, disappearances), the Chechen wars, the flight of a huge number of Russians abroad without the formation of diasporas and with subsequent dissolution in the local population, destruction of industry - malnutrition, medicine - under-treatment or lack of treatment ...
          Everyone can remember and add to what constitutes the modern quiet, insinuating genocide, which in its scale has long and many times surpassed the results of Stalin's political struggle for the safety and future of our Motherland. The one that no longer exists.
          We, modern people, do not have the right to open our mouths to Stalin critically.
        3. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 16 October 2020 15: 19
          +4
          Quote: Seaflame
          One thing pleases that such Shvonders and Sharikovs like you, this is already yesterday and the power of such will never return.

          You are right this is your power !!!
      2. DrEng527
        DrEng527 16 October 2020 14: 46
        -7
        Quote: tatra
        and fierce enemies of their country and people

        there are no more fierce enemies of our people than the Bolsheviks! they gassed the people, used mercenaries (Latvians, Chinese, etc. "internationalists") for mass terror!
        1. mat-vey
          mat-vey 16 October 2020 17: 34
          +4
          Quote: DrEng527
          used mercenaries (Latvians

          Eck, you called the people of the Russian Empire ... Do you want to say anything for the Czechs? For the Entente with Japan?
          1. DrEng527
            DrEng527 17 October 2020 13: 58
            -2
            Quote: mat-vey
            Eck you the people of the Russian Empire called that.

            did you see RI in 1918? hi for example - Armenia and Azerbaijan were in the USSR, so what? request

            Quote: mat-vey
            Do you want to say anything for the Czechs?

            Did someone hire them? themselves got in because of Trotsky's stupidity ...
            1. mat-vey
              mat-vey 17 October 2020 14: 11
              0
              Quote: DrEng527
              did you see RI in 1918? hi for example - Armenia and Azerbaijan were in the USSR, so what?

              So what? They were in RI and?
              Quote: DrEng527
              Did someone hire them? themselves got in because of Trotsky's stupidity ...

              Well, the Chinese and Latvians were hired only by the stupidity of "Ogonyok" ...
              1. DrEng527
                DrEng527 17 October 2020 15: 03
                -2
                Quote: mat-vey
                Well, the Chinese and Latvians were hired only by the stupidity of "Ogonyok" ...

                it is your right to consider Ogonyok as a source of information hi And there are other sources about the participation of the Chinese, if you want - you will find it on the Web ... And in the protection of the VIL, Trotsky ... hi By the way, the Chinese appeared back in the days of the Republic of Ingushetia, for work in WW1, and then hired to fight out of despair ...
                1. mat-vey
                  mat-vey 17 October 2020 15: 13
                  0
                  Quote: DrEng527
                  Quote: mat-vey
                  Well, the Chinese and Latvians were hired only by the stupidity of "Ogonyok" ...

                  it is your right to consider Ogonyok as a source of information hi And there are other sources about the participation of the Chinese, if you want - you will find it on the Web ... And in the protection of the VIL, Trotsky ... hi By the way, the Chinese appeared back in the days of the Republic of Ingushetia, for work in WW1, and then hired to fight out of despair ...

                  Well, you mean "hired", but only Ogonyok wrote about hiring ...
                  1. DrEng527
                    DrEng527 19 October 2020 11: 06
                    0
                    Quote: mat-vey
                    Well, you mean "hired", but only Ogonyok wrote about hiring ...

                    From what? If you look at the decree on the creation of the Red Army, then this is a mercenary army ... request
                    1. mat-vey
                      mat-vey 19 October 2020 16: 12
                      0
                      Quote: DrEng527
                      From what? If you look at the decree on the creation of the Red Army, then this is a mercenary army ...

                      This is a volunteer army .. although everyone judges for himself ..
                      1. DrEng527
                        DrEng527 20 October 2020 11: 32
                        0
                        Quote: mat-vey
                        This is a volunteer army

                        are you playing words? and did the volunteers serve or receive a salary for food? bully
                        Quote: mat-vey
                        although everyone judges for himself ..

                        namely - see mirror ... bully
                      2. mat-vey
                        mat-vey 20 October 2020 14: 54
                        0
                        Quote: DrEng527
                        are you playing words? and did the volunteers serve or receive a salary for food?

                        Come on, what's "Ogonyok" wrote about the salary ...
                      3. DrEng527
                        DrEng527 20 October 2020 16: 07
                        0
                        Quote: mat-vey
                        let's say that "Ogonyok" wrote about the salary ...

                        you are illiterate and not curious - read:
                        "Decree on the organization
                        Workers 'and Peasants' Red Army

                        15 (28) January 1918
                        Verified by edition: Decrees of the Soviet government. T.I.
                        Moscow, State Publishing House of Political Literature, 1957.
                        PAGE
                        The old army served as an instrument of class oppression of the working people 356
                        bourgeoisie. With the transfer of power to the working and exploited
                        classes, it became necessary to create a new army, which
                        will be the bulwark of Soviet power in the present, the foundation for
                        replacing the standing army with popular weapons in the near
                        future and will serve as support for the coming socialist
                        revolution in Europe.

                        I
                        In view of this, the Council of People's Commissars decides:
                        organize a new army called "Workers 'and Peasants'
                        Red Army ", on the following grounds:
                        1) The Workers 'and Peasants' Red Army is created from the most
                        conscious and organized elements of the working masses.
                        2) Access to its ranks is open to all citizens of the Russian
                        Republics are at least 18 years old. Everyone enters the Red Army,
                        who is ready to give his strength, his life to defend the conquests
                        October revolution, the power of the Soviets and socialism. For
                        joining the ranks of the Red Army, recommendations are needed:
                        military committees or public democratic organizations,
                        standing on the platform of Soviet power, party or
                        professional organizations or at least two members
                        these organizations. When introducing whole parts it is required
                        mutual guarantee of all and roll-call voting.

                        II
                        1) The soldiers of the Workers 'and Peasants' Red Army are in full
                        state allowances and on top of this receive 50 rubles. at
                        month.
                        2) Disabled family members of Red Army soldiers,
                        previously dependent on them are provided to all
                        necessary according to local consumption standards, according to
                        decisions of local bodies of Soviet power.

                        III 357
                        The supreme governing body of the Workers 'and Peasants' Red
                        The army is the Council of People's Commissars. Direct
                        the leadership and management of the army is concentrated in the Commissariat for
                        military affairs, in the special All-Russian Collegium created under him.

                        Chairman of the Council of People's Commissars
                        V.Ulyanov (Lenin).
                        Supreme Commander-in-Chief N. Krylenko.
                        People's Commissars for Military and Naval Affairs:
                        Dybenko and Podvoisky.
                        People's Commissars: Proshyan, Zatonsky and Steinberg.
                        Manager of the Council of People's Commissars
                        Vlad Bonch-Bruevich.
                        Secretary of the Council of People's Commissars N. Gorbunov. "
                        http://www.hist.msu.ru/ER/Etext/DEKRET/rkka.htm
                        to understand - what is 50 rubles then - it is now 20 ...
                      4. mat-vey
                        mat-vey 20 October 2020 16: 15
                        0
                        Quote: DrEng527
                        1) The soldiers of the Workers 'and Peasants' Red Army are in full
                        state allowances and on top of this receive 50 rubles. at
                        month.

                        And now, how much do the recruits receive besides full allowance? Two thousand? Yes, we have solid mercenaries ...
                      5. DrEng527
                        DrEng527 20 October 2020 16: 24
                        0
                        Quote: mat-vey
                        And now draftees с

                        this is the key word! I gave a comparison with modern RFPs above. Do not want to understand and accept facts - it's your right! Denying the obvious is a bad sign bully
                      6. mat-vey
                        mat-vey 20 October 2020 16: 44
                        0
                        Quote: DrEng527
                        Do not want to understand and accept facts - it's your right! Denying the obvious is a bad sign

                        did you look in the mirror?
                        Any serviceman receives material and monetary allowances ... Or do you think that soldiers on the side should also earn extra money in between battles?
                        Quote: DrEng527
                        to understand - what is 50 rubles then - it is now 20 ...

                        A source?
                      7. DrEng527
                        DrEng527 20 October 2020 18: 24
                        0
                        Quote: mat-vey
                        Any soldier receives material and monetary allowance ...

                        eka america was discovered ... you have no difference between a contract soldier (mercenary soldier) and a conscript? bully
                        Quote: mat-vey
                        A source?

                        banal recount for gold content ...
                      8. mat-vey
                        mat-vey 21 October 2020 14: 27
                        0
                        Quote: DrEng527
                        Any soldier receives material and monetary allowance ...

                        eka america was discovered ... you have no difference between a contract soldier (mercenary soldier) and a conscript?

                        It seems that you have no difference between a volunteer army and a mercenary army ... Well, these are your psychological problems ..
                        Quote: DrEng527
                        banal recount for gold content ...

                        "fi, the reasoning has gotten really poor ..."
                      9. DrEng527
                        DrEng527 21 October 2020 14: 44
                        0
                        Quote: mat-vey
                        It seems that you have no difference between a volunteer army and a mercenary army ... Well, these are your psychological problems ..

                        1) be surprised - no! a volunteer and a mercenary are one and the same - both go voluntarily and receive a salary bully
                        2) have you decided to act like a doctor? bully
                        Quote: mat-vey
                        "fi, the reasoning has gotten really poor ..."

                        1) I have already noted your tendency to plagiarism - no need to emphasize this bully
                        2) Is recalculation by gold content not an argument for you? Perhaps you are so illiterate that you don't understand the meaning of some words ... laughing
                      10. mat-vey
                        mat-vey 21 October 2020 14: 59
                        0
                        Quote: DrEng527
                        Is recalculation by gold content not an argument for you? Perhaps you are so illiterate that you don't understand the meaning of some words ..

                        Quote: DrEng527
                        "fi, the reasoning has gotten really poor ..."
                      11. mat-vey
                        mat-vey 21 October 2020 15: 01
                        0
                        Quote: DrEng527
                        be surprised - no! a volunteer and a mercenary are one and the same - both go voluntarily and receive a salary

                        Quote: DrEng527
                        "fi, the reasoning has gotten really poor ..."
                      12. DrEng527
                        DrEng527 21 October 2020 16: 08
                        0
                        and why only 2 times copied? bully when you use other people's thoughts to express your emptiness, then besides this you do not show anything .. I consider the discussion with you exhausted, due to your transition to a flood due to the lack of arguments ... hi
                      13. mat-vey
                        mat-vey 21 October 2020 16: 14
                        0
                        Quote: DrEng527
                        and why only 2 times copied?

                        Yes broke just to print ...
                        Quote: DrEng527
                        I consider the discussion with you exhausted,

                        Why is it so? You are such a funny troll ... not, of course, with outdated myths and fairy tales that have been boring to everyone for a long time ... but so predictable ...
                      14. DrEng527
                        DrEng527 21 October 2020 16: 45
                        0
                        Quote: mat-vey
                        Why is it so?

                        too lazy to waste time - a discussion with you is not interesting due to your lack of arguments and the presence of aplomb from knowing the ultimate truth, so characteristic of apologists of the USSR request
                        Quote: mat-vey
                        myths and fairy tales that have set everyone on edge for a long time

                        This is just for you, because do you think that the world revolves around Marxism, moreover, published only in Russian ... and the world is more complicated hi And what seems like a myth to you is a long established fact ... wink
                        Quote: mat-vey
                        But so predictable ...

                        2 + 2 = 4 ... if for you this predictable banality is your problem ... hi
                      15. mat-vey
                        mat-vey 21 October 2020 16: 48
                        0
                        Quote: DrEng527
                        your lack of arguments and the presence of aplomb from knowing the ultimate truth,

                        Now I will have hysteria from laughter again ... You would lie less, then maybe it was possible to discuss with you, but hackneyed fairy tales around the next circle smack of schizophrenia ...
                      16. DrEng527
                        DrEng527 21 October 2020 16: 53
                        0
                        Quote: mat-vey
                        Now I will have hysteria from laughter again.

                        have some bromine ... I'm worried about you, it might end badly - don't take the forum so personally. hi
                        Quote: mat-vey
                        and the hackneyed fairy tales to drive in the next circle of schizophrenia smells like ..

                        it is a pity that you are using medical terms without understanding their meaning. I am not a doctor, but I am well educated and I can advise you to realize that a split personality occurs not from fairy tales, but from the adoption of socialism - which is clearly seen from the history of the USSR: communism was built, but capitalism was built, however, just like in China ... hi
                      17. mat-vey
                        mat-vey 21 October 2020 17: 10
                        0
                        Quote: DrEng527
                        have some bromine ... I'm worried about you, it might end badly - don't take the forum so personally.

                        And why the conclusions about "close to heart"? Do you have delusions of grandeur? There are such mothballs trolls like you on the Internet, a car and another car ..
                        Quote: DrEng527
                        but well educated and I can advise you to realize

                        As there was - "I myself will decide what to do!"
                        Quote: DrEng527
                        that a split personality is not from fairy tales

                        Well, everything is as usual with you - you confuse dissociative identity disorder with schizophrenia, fairy tales with arguments ...
                        And yes, you seem to have finished the discussion ...
                      18. DrEng527
                        DrEng527 21 October 2020 17: 16
                        0
                        Quote: mat-vey
                        And yes, you seem to have finished the discussion ...

                        Where do you see the discussion now? i just dissect you hi
                        Quote: mat-vey
                        And why the conclusions about "close to my heart"

                        Quote: mat-vey
                        I'm hysterical again now

                        only from your words, you are not the first hysterical ... request
                      19. mat-vey
                        mat-vey 21 October 2020 17: 21
                        0
                        Quote: DrEng527
                        And yes, you seem to have finished the discussion ...

                        Where do you see the discussion now? i just dissect you

                        So all the same on dissociative identity disorder. it doesn't seem like ... it hurts you everything is obsessive ...
                      20. DrEng527
                        DrEng527 21 October 2020 17: 27
                        0
                        Quote: mat-vey
                        So all the same on dissociative identity disorder. it doesn't seem like ... it hurts you everything is obsessive ...

                        So you are pretending to be a doctor? in vain! hi Well, about identity, it looks amazingly funny on the lips of a Stalinist ... bully
                      21. mat-vey
                        mat-vey 21 October 2020 17: 31
                        0
                        Quote: DrEng527
                        So you are pretending to be a doctor?

                        Oh my God, it's just that you are so typical ...
                        "then in the mouth of a Stalinist" - so you hang the labels as standard ... How are you doing (yes, plagiarism) - from a lack of education and predictable banality ..
                  2. mat-vey
                    mat-vey 21 October 2020 17: 22
                    0
                    Quote: DrEng527
                    I'm hysterical again now

                    only from your words, you are not the first hysterical ...

                    Of course hysteria, even hiccups ...
  • DrEng527
    DrEng527 16 October 2020 14: 44
    -5
    Quote: Seaflame
    Completely brains or rather no conscience?

    you to the point - NO!
  • Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 16 October 2020 16: 18
    +5
    Quote: Seaflame
    Completely brains or rather no conscience?

    Look at your brains and conscience.
    Quote: Seaflame
    So many repressed, so many disadvantaged and disadvantaged

    How many of those who began to live normally were not counted?
    Quote: Seaflame
    and their own citizens
  • mat-vey
    mat-vey 16 October 2020 17: 07
    +4
    Quote: Seaflame
    (Cossacks, clergy, intelligentsia, peasants, and you can list for a very long time).

    Will Vlasov and Bandera be on your list?
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 16 October 2020 11: 20
    +5
    A liberal approach should be in both cases: to return the annexed.
    Write more and read about liberals is not necessary. With these words, this liberal Vishnevsky, who for some reason took his mother's surname and not his father's surname - Rabbit, showed the entire Russian people what "liberalism" is. Thank you for the article, which clearly shows what liberals really are.
    1. depressant
      depressant 16 October 2020 13: 39
      +4
      Eh, no, colleague! And it is necessary to write about them, and to analyze their postulates. For there is a struggle for the minds of the younger generations, whom world globalism in the person of the liberal wing of our government brings under a veiled genocide of a new type, implanted everywhere on the planet under the guise of humanism. I don't care that they are dying out there and make a huge number of people unnecessary. I need this not to happen in my country. And it is.
      We were lowered into a cesspool, and they themselves watch from above how we choke in the substance. And in this substance the children of my country are born and choke. They, children, must understand what they live in, and not put up with it, finding reasonable solutions to get out of the hole.
  • pivnik
    pivnik 16 October 2020 11: 25
    +2
    why are these slops here?
  • Egoza
    Egoza 16 October 2020 11: 33
    0
    Thank you, Roman! Great article! I subscribe to every word!
  • Kapral Alphych
    Kapral Alphych 16 October 2020 11: 36
    +2
    The dogs (Vishnevsky and Co.) bark, the caravan (the truth about the IVS) is on its way.
  • lucul
    lucul 16 October 2020 11: 37
    +2
    My hero today is Boris Lazarevich Vishnevsky, political scientist, journalist, publicist,

    Simply put - Izzy, you're wrong ...
  • Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 16 October 2020 11: 41
    +1
    It's an endless digging of the past ... ooohh ..
    The problem is not in Stalin or his era - the problem is that all these justifiers and truth-tellers unwittingly use the fruit of Soviet dogma from those times. Namely - a manic desire to rigidly separate black and white. Like computers that think in zeros and ones, these people, in the style of cheap film industry products from some 80s, simply CANNOT imagine villains otherwise, they turn out to be super-cardboard, like virtues, in contrast to them.
    The idea that a "good guy" gets into the system and gets a "bad legacy" with which he is forced to work and become a "bad guy", solving "bad problems" of the "bad system" for the sake of some initial "good idea" - similar constructions they put their aged brains into a state of cognitive dissonance, their eyes widen, foam begins to flow from their mouths, and a hoarse voice automatically deduces "Communies!" ... History is full of such "guys" - he was good, became bad, became good, ended badly. He was bad, involuntarily did something good, died - became good. Thousands of them!
    It is possible to look at someone from the point of view of relativity - for example, Genghis Khan is a good, fit ruler, a legend for the Mongols. And for the rest ... well, you know. For example - Napoleon. An epic personality for the French - although in the end he_ lost_all_polymers. But before that, the anthills of those for whom he will forever remain a villain were savory.

    The conclusion here is that one and the same figure for the OPERATED and the OPERATED will have different shades. And that's okay. Except that, as a rule, all the same great people tried to exploit someone else's population, and not their own, mixed together. Actually, in this moment, there is the main jamb of the IVS - too relish he stomped on many, but did not finish it off.
    It is impossible to find a certain middle denominator here. The middle denominator between a nun and a rapist is the person with manic depressive disorder. Equally distant from the first and from the second.
    Therefore, the topic of the endless resuscitation and actualization of Stalin is a bad, mediocre and useless topic.
    He was like that, did good, did bad, died. All .

    As for "Crimea is not ours" - the legal and moral-aesthetic points of view on this issue are different. Trying to immediately find a denominator between them is meaningless, because the legal point of view "by definition" is extremely categorical. And the moral is extremely subjective. And about "giving away" - well, you can give away a fur coat from a master's shoulder, you can share a cigarette - and then a piece of sushi with the population ..
    It's strange to hear such speeches from "Human Rights Defender", in fact ..
    1. depressant
      depressant 16 October 2020 20: 32
      +2
      Colleague Knell ...
      My parents were convinced Stalinists, and I, who was once a new generation, was a convinced liberal, but not active, and so - listened to Echo of Moscow, read Novaya Gazeta, and in general, in the 90s was busy with the problem the survival of my family, did not really bother with all sorts of "isms". And then she began to look closely at reality, and discovered signs of increasing devastation. Having come to VO, I, having no experience in searching for answers to the necessary questions, nevertheless somehow suddenly and immediately understood what was happening. The history of the country was highlighted. I realized that Stalin, with all the difficulties of that era, created the country, and the 90s, having destroyed it, did not go anywhere and continue to do their dirty deed. That's the whole answer to all the questions. The point is not in the ideological obstinacy of this or that person, but in a sober analysis of two eras - creation and destruction.
      1. Knell wardenheart
        Knell wardenheart 16 October 2020 20: 44
        0
        Well, if we, like the heroes I mentioned, will choose "Black or White"? "Yes or no ?" - then the constructive definitely prevails. However, in my personal opinion, this is a specific experience that is hardly possible to realize in our time and with the current values ​​- including yours or mine, and the vast majority here. People are accustomed to a well-fed life, they have a poor idea of ​​the Price of industrialization, and a living example of "reverse gear" in the form of subsequent privatization and a change of elites will always loom before them like the shadow of Hamlet's father. We HAVE to look for new ways and make new plans - without looking back at our past. Because it's not perfect. Even close. It is also contradictory. And now in our country there are enough contradictions without it. Something like this..
  • atos_kin
    atos_kin 16 October 2020 11: 41
    +4
    Vishnevsky on the count.
    1. mat-vey
      mat-vey 16 October 2020 20: 12
      +2
      Vishnevsky on the count.

      It would be better, of course, all the same to some kind of medical and educational institution like Auschwitz - there you would look and find someone from the administration to talk about Stalin's crimes.
  • tatra
    tatra 16 October 2020 11: 53
    +2
    Not only in the pre-revolutionary and Soviet periods, the Russian people proved that they are the best people on the territory of the Republic of Ingushetia-USSR, and in the post-Soviet period. No matter how the criminals and enemies of Russia and the Russian people slander Stalin, the Russian people do not succumb to them, and Stalin's popularity among the Russian people is only growing.
  • demo
    demo 16 October 2020 12: 01
    +3
    In 2014, he condemned the annexation of Crimea to Russia, calling it illegal. On December 13, 2014, at a meeting of the federal council of the Yabloko party, Vishnevsky spoke for the unconditional return of Crimea to Ukraine, saying:

    “Crimea is not ours. It is stolen. The stolen goods must be returned. Without any explanation of the reasons why it is difficult and impossible to do. Imagine, some Chinese-speaking "Primorye Self-Defense" would take away Vladivostok from Russia, referring to the "opinion of the population." A liberal approach should be in both cases: to return the annexed. As for the opinion of “our citizens”, we must understand that the court takes into account the opinion not of those who stole, but of those who were stolen from ”.


    If about what Roman said, then everything is correct, correct, but .... How would I put it more correctly - today it is "for internal consumption."
    The fact that we, in Russia, will have such a law, and such articles appear in the world, nothing will turn over.
    Poland will stand its ground. EU countries, on their own, the United States, so they are not going to get off their own.
    And the applicability of this article is a question for the RF Armed Forces. Until he gives an explanation, the lower-level judges will be in a stupor.
    For our judges themselves are also that tangle of crawling and hissing.

    But since 2014, one moment has been very annoying - Russia stole Crimea!
    Theft is, despite the specific legal binding, does not correspond to reality.
    The RF did not seize other people's property in its favor. "Foreign property" disposed of its own rights, declared in the Constitution and laws of the country where it was located.
    Well, there was no theft.
    It's like a horse who chose my stable and doesn't want to return to his own.
    The owner can demand the return of the horse, but he does not go.
    Is this theft?
    No.
    But those who continue to make such statements today cannot prove anything.
    Therefore, it is necessary to move on to a different form of statements.
    1. The Russian Federation has the ability to keep within the borders of the existing state all territories with real estate objects located on it and all possible ethnic groups living on it, on the basis that it will not allow anyone to withdraw this territory.
    Point.
    2. If necessary and possible, as well as in connection with the requests of any ethnic group, it reserves the possibility of joining other adjacent territories.
    3. This right is determined by Russia's ability to attach and retain within the framework of its state formation.

    The screams will be worth their weight white light.
    But what did Spain do with the Basque country?
    Did you keep it by force? Yes!
    Did you put the leaders in jail? Yes!
    So what are we going to argue about?
    1. Doctor
      Doctor 16 October 2020 13: 08
      -2
      But since 2014, one moment has been very annoying - Russia stole Crimea!
      Theft is, despite the specific legal binding, does not correspond to reality.
      The RF did not seize other people's property in its favor. "Foreign property" disposed of its own rights, declared in the Constitution and laws of the country where it was located.
      Well, there was no theft.
      It's like a horse who chose my stable and doesn't want to return to his own.
      The owner can demand the return of the horse, but he does not go.
      Is this theft?


      Everything seems to be correct ...
      But what to do with Königsberg? wink
      1. demo
        demo 16 October 2020 14: 12
        0
        1. The Russian Federation has the ability to keep within the borders of the existing state all territories with real estate objects located on it and all possible ethnic groups living on it, on the basis that it will not allow anyone to withdraw this territory.
        Point.
        2. If necessary and possible, as well as in connection with the requests of any ethnic group, it reserves the possibility of joining other adjacent territories.
        3. This right is determined by Russia's ability to attach and retain within the framework of its state formation.
        1. Doctor
          Doctor 16 October 2020 14: 45
          -2
          1. The Russian Federation has the ability to keep within the borders of the existing state all territories with real estate objects located on it and all possible ethnic groups living on it, on the basis that it will not allow anyone to withdraw this territory.
          Point.
          2. If necessary and possible, as well as in connection with the requests of any ethnic group, it reserves the possibility of joining other adjacent territories.
          3. This right is determined by Russia's ability to attach and retain within the framework of its state formation.

          That is, the right of the strong?
          And what if there are stronger ones? Like now, against the rest of the world.
          Shall we fight to the last baby?
          1. demo
            demo 16 October 2020 21: 21
            +1
            Yes. It is the right of the strong.
            No other is visible today.
            Everything else is trampled, torn apart and thrown into the dustbin of history (sorry for the pathos).
            Libya, Syria, Yugoslavia - is this not a manifestation of the right of the strongest (strongest) in relation to the weak?
            And no one fought until the last baby.
      2. mat-vey
        mat-vey 16 October 2020 16: 57
        0
        Quote: Arzt
        But what to do with Königsberg?

        And the essence of your claims is that the results of the Second World War do not suit you?
        1. Doctor
          Doctor 16 October 2020 17: 47
          -1
          And the essence of your claims is that the results of the Second World War do not suit you?

          I have none. I wouldn't have taken it out of Europe either.
          But we opened Pandora's box. Now everyone will fall on us, "If Crimea is possible, then Könik all the more, Kant's grave is there!"
          And what to do?
          1. mat-vey
            mat-vey 16 October 2020 17: 50
            +1
            Quote: Arzt
            But we opened Pandora's box.

            Are you talking about Kosovo?
            1. Doctor
              Doctor 16 October 2020 17: 57
              -2
              Are you talking about Kosovo?

              What's wrong with Kosovo? Someone attached it?
              1. mat-vey
                mat-vey 16 October 2020 17: 59
                +1
                Quote: Arzt
                What's wrong with Kosovo? Someone attached it?

                No He was just "stolen" ... Oh, yes ... that's different ...
          2. mat-vey
            mat-vey 16 October 2020 17: 56
            +2
            And yes, if it is possible to unite Germany, then why can't Crimea be returned to Russia? Moreover, it was not the first referendum ... and Sevastopol was not Ukrainian either ...
            1. Doctor
              Doctor 16 October 2020 18: 12
              -1
              And yes, if it is possible to unite Germany, then why can't Crimea be returned to Russia? Moreover, it was not the first referendum ... and Sevastopol was not Ukrainian either ...

              It is possible and necessary. And not only Crimea. Ukraine, Belarus and Russia are one state for one people.

              The question is how to do it. Now. When everything is against us.
              1. mat-vey
                mat-vey 16 October 2020 18: 14
                +1
                Quote: Arzt
                The question is how to do it. Now. When everything is against us.

                Everything is always against everyone and the right of the strong decides ...
                1. Doctor
                  Doctor 16 October 2020 18: 15
                  -1
                  Everything is always against everyone and the right of the strong decides ...

                  Well, let's hope we're strong. soldier
                  1. mat-vey
                    mat-vey 16 October 2020 18: 18
                    -1
                    Quote: Arzt
                    Well, soldier let's hope we are strong.

                    One must not hope, but do at least something for this, because our strength is laid down and created by Stalin, reproached here, and it is not eternal ...
      3. demo
        demo 16 October 2020 21: 11
        +1
        Then the question is for you. And what should be done (most importantly, to whom) with Koenigsberg?
        1. Doctor
          Doctor 16 October 2020 21: 12
          -1
          Then the question is for you. And what should be done (most importantly, to whom) with Koenigsberg?

          Exchange for Ukraine and Belarus, for example.
          1. demo
            demo 16 October 2020 21: 14
            +1
            No one will change anything.
            What got to Russia does not go anywhere.
            The question is different.
            What and when will get into it yet.
            Anyone who does not need something can change.
            1. Doctor
              Doctor 16 October 2020 21: 26
              -1
              No one will change anything.
              What got to Russia does not go anywhere.
              The question is different.
              What and when will get into it yet.
              Anyone who does not need something can change.

              You can declare anything.
              But history tells us that everything is changing. Sometimes very quickly.

              If the Germans and the EU agree with the unification of Ukraine and Belarus with Russia and make every effort for this, in exchange for König AFTER the unification, then I would think.

              But it’s not up to that, there would be DV and Kazan. wink
              1. demo
                demo 16 October 2020 22: 00
                +1
                Well, if you like ...
                I see everything a little differently.
                Under the current government, Russia cannot think of any new acquisitions.
                Under a different leadership, all those parts of Russia temporarily sailing independently will be incorporated into the country.
                There is no other way.
                And it is not as difficult to do as it seems.
                But it's not worth writing about this.
                Let it stay "behind the scenes" for now.
                The question is - in what state are they "returning to their native harbor"?

                The western enclave of Russia is a suitcase without a handle, as long as there are "three Baltic tigers."
                If they are "brought" to the desired state, then the enclave is necessary. If we continue to consider them as independent territorial entities hostile to Russia, and do nothing, then the enclave can be given away.
  • Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 16 October 2020 12: 35
    0
    A really serious question arises: who will determine which information is true and which is false? Which ones should be punished immediately and for which not?

    My opinion is ... until EVERYTHING is declassified !!! information about the Second World War - the full truth we do not know ... recourse
    1. tatra
      tatra 16 October 2020 12: 52
      +2
      Yes, the enemies of the communists have proved that they are categorically against the TRUTH about the pre-revolutionary, Soviet periods, about what they did to the republics of the USSR and their peoples that they captured.
    2. kalibr
      kalibr 16 October 2020 19: 06
      -1
      Quote: Corona without virus
      My opinion is ... until EVERYTHING is declassified !!! information about the Second World War - we will not know the full truth ..

      Wait for 2045 - only then!
  • nikolaj1703
    nikolaj1703 16 October 2020 13: 02
    +4
    Some quotes by J.V. Stalin:
    "I know that after my death they will put a heap of garbage on my grave, but the wind of history will scatter it mercilessly!"
    "You are blind kittens, what will happen without me - the country will perish. Because you cannot recognize enemies."
    "In our time it is not customary to reckon with the weak, - only the strong are reckoned with."
    "If the Slavs are united and in solidarity, no one will lift a finger in the future. They will not lift a finger!"
    "Education is a weapon, the effect of which depends on who holds it in their hands, who they want to hit with this weapon."
    "The withering away of the state will come not through the weakening of state power, but through its maximum strengthening."

    "It is not power that spoils people, but on the contrary, the most spoiled people are most drawn to power."

    Read Stalin's works and you will understand how HE created the Great Soviet Union.
    1. imobile2008
      imobile2008 16 October 2020 14: 54
      -11 qualifying.
      Stalin thought very poorly, and the statements were for the poorly educated, afraid to contradict him. Now the phrases of various leaders are trying to pass off as quotations from Stalin, but this does not work for the educated. As for the statement about the Slavs, this is an attempt by the hands of the Slavs to rake up conflicts, remember in what context it was said. Slavs Stalin would have thought that it was worth that in the Second World War in the Caucasus they ate barbecue, and the Russians died hungry in the war!
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  • parusnik
    parusnik 16 October 2020 13: 31
    +6
    There are many like Vishnevsky & Co. in the country. One question, if the project is adopted, will they be held accountable for those who shoot pseudo-historical, pseudo-war serials that are not possible to watch.
    1. DrEng527
      DrEng527 16 October 2020 14: 47
      -6
      Quote: parusnik
      hold accountable

      aren't you afraid to end up in jail yourself? Usually such desires end with this ... hi
  • Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 16 October 2020 17: 05
    +2
    Stalin does not need anything from us. He is a winner and has long passed away as a winner.
    This is what we need Stalin and his science to win.
    1. imobile2008
      imobile2008 16 October 2020 17: 28
      -3
      Take away This to myself.
  • BAI
    BAI 16 October 2020 17: 06
    +2
    the joint military parade in Brest will not be announced tomorrow as spreading "knowingly false information"?

    Why tomorrow? Yesterday, all sane people knew that this was a deliberate lie.
  • boris epstein
    boris epstein 16 October 2020 17: 42
    +2
    "Generally, we were late, probably. Today it is necessary. Especially for the" parade in Brest ". And without the right to parole."
    Not today. And not yesterday. And since 1986, all kinds of Korotichs, Abalkins, Shmelevs, Solzhenitsyns, Solonins and others like them. And then the Freedom of speech was invented by the Tagged One, and they went over with their false opuses of Rezuny. Any freedom of speech in any country has its banks. And under Mecheny, and until now, reasonable banks have lost. Then there could be no destruction of the GREAT country.
  • Gubernia
    Gubernia 16 October 2020 21: 31
    0
    Stalin I watch some people still burns one place .. laughing
    You destroyed the USSR, supposedly all "victory" of crooks of all stripes? No "gentlemen", this is a test for lice only .. Everything interesting is just beginning!
    So you think private property is assigned to you EBN and others?
    Like you are the "elite" and now trying to create your pedigree "plebeians"?
    Well no tongue .. Russia is a specific country and is waiting in the wings, when everyone gets out and calms down (supposedly our time has come))))
    Alas, this is not true .. I feel sorry for you and your glamorous relatives, etc.
    We are watching you ..
  • faterdom
    faterdom 16 October 2020 22: 03
    +2
    Stalin is a figure in History, on the scale of the 1st line. Macedonian, Caesar, Augustus, Constantine, Temuchin, Tamerlane, Peter I, Napoleon.
    And microorganisms, such as Vishnev's, whether they are four times the intellectuals of the Soviet Union, eat it for millennia. And then, if you do not disinfect ...
    Although, Stalin had mistakes, and what! Okay, he didn't even know about Gorbachev that there was one, or there, what Yeltsin, or some other Sobchak.
    But here's the forerunner - Khrushchev, how could he not see it?
  • 7 poplar
    7 poplar 17 October 2020 11: 41
    +1
    Well, this is his opinion about the stolen Crimea ... that's how they become Navalny, and who pays him?
  • Oleg Skvortsov
    Oleg Skvortsov 17 October 2020 14: 07
    0
    B. L. Vishnevsky - there was no need to continue, it is in the blood of the Jews - anti-Sovietism and Russophobia
  • Iskazi
    Iskazi 17 October 2020 21: 38
    0
    a lot is mixed here, but the history of the USSR is the history of the USSR, the leadership of this country had reasons to act as they did ..., and the look from RFii looks very strange, I agree with the author, in many ways, especially with his words about choosing the lesser of angry. The specificity of the Jewish nation has a place to be ... well, they like to bother and complain ..., they have in this regard a lot in common with professional beggars, well, liberals and democrats in Russia are the same - rootless cosmopolitans.
  • nnz226
    nnz226 18 October 2020 13: 43
    0
    If not for Comrade. Stalin, then this ... Vishnevsky "military electricians" in black uniforms would have been burned in the crematorium of any of the death camps ...
  • DrEng527
    DrEng527 20 October 2020 11: 39
    0
    Quote: mat-vey
    This is a volunteer army ..x

    "1) The soldiers of the Workers 'and Peasants' Red Army are in full
    state allowances and on top of this receive 50 rubles. at
    month."
  • Plastmaster
    Plastmaster 21 October 2020 09: 25
    -1
    Quote: nemez
    I used to treat the Jews normally, but they themselves made me an anti-Semite. It is necessary to be able to turn against yourself - this is a gift of God.

    Exactly. I had one like this. When asked why the whole world does not like Jews, he answered with downcast eyes. They don't understand us. And after 3 years, he gave me such a bunch. And by the way, at the beginning of our acquaintance, he tried to explain to me that Stalin was a beast. But he gave up this occupation, realizing that all patience is the end.