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Watchman's syndrome or feudalism in the subway? How the St. Petersburg metro violates the rights of citizens

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It will be about the "innovation" of the St. Petersburg metro - about the prohibition of transportation by citizens weaponswhich is legally owned by them. The situation has arisen since November 2019. Note that we are talking about legal firearms, gas canisters and similar devices that fall under the Federal Law "On Weapons", and not about criminal weapons.


State Unitary Enterprise "Petersburg Metro" took over the function of the highest bodies of state power of the Russian Federation and introduced restrictions on the rights of citizens on a separate territory of the St. Petersburg metro. I will not delve into legal subtleties, but the metro does not have such rights. Nevertheless, this fact was officially enshrined in the rules for using the St. Petersburg metro.

There is no such situation in the subways of other cities. But it’s not a fact that it won’t be (and not only in the subway, and not only with regard to weapons). Moreover, this illegal restriction is fixed on paper and backed up by real-life forceful actions on the part of the transport security service of the St. Petersburg metro. The victims of such actions appealed to the Prosecutor General's Office, Rosgvardia, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Ministry of Transport, and everywhere received an answer that the transportation of weapons by citizens in the metro was not prohibited. But the actual situation suggests otherwise. People are directly confronted with such arbitrariness.

On October 10, 2020, two citizens carrying a registered civilian weapon were stopped by the transport security service while passing the turnstile in the St. Petersburg metro at the Lenina Square station and were not allowed to enter the landing zone. At the same time, the transport security officers referred to the ban on the transportation of any weapons on the territory of the metro. The citizens explained that such a ban is illegal and violates their civil rights. Letters from the prosecutor's office were shown that there was no ban on the transport of weapons, it was forbidden to transport only illegal weapons. But the employee referred to the oral instructions of his superiors and the standard rules of the St. Petersburg metro. Then police officers were called, who checked the documents and said that everything was in order, the citizens had weapons on a legal basis. However, the transport security officer refuses to let them through. Then he was asked to draw up an act denying access to the metro landing zone. The metro employee refused them and said that he could only draw up an act on violation of the mask regime for them, they did not provide for other acts. Citizens had no choice but to apply to the prosecutor's office for the protection of their rights.

What's the bottom line? All law enforcement agencies unanimously say that the transportation of weapons is not prohibited, you do. But by the decree of the government of St. Petersburg dated 29.09.2020, No. 776, the "Rules for the use of the St. Petersburg metro" were approved, which directly prohibit the transport of weapons. How these rules were adopted is not clear. From a letter from the General Prosecutor's Office sent to one of the victims, it follows that the draft rules did not pass the anti-corruption expertise and that the St. Petersburg prosecutor's office issued a negative opinion on it. Nevertheless, this normative legal act acts - acts contrary to federal legislation.

Several people have raised this issue on social media. A crowdfunding campaign was launched to raise funds to file a claim. At the moment, a lawyer has already been identified who will handle this case. People intend to resolve this issue and, if necessary, reach the Supreme Court.

Is all this a manifestation of the usual "watchman's syndrome" - "forbid and not let go"? Or is it much more serious and is it a wake-up call about the changes taking place in the country? To understand this situation is the task of law enforcement agencies.

Watchman's syndrome or feudalism in the subway? How the St. Petersburg metro violates the rights of citizens






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  1. Don karleone
    Don karleone 17 October 2020 18: 05 New
    +5
    I am the master, you are the master. Aul understanding of laws and rights.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 17 October 2020 18: 29 New
      +6
      Quote: Don Karleone
      I am the master, you are the master. Aul understanding of laws and rights.

      Rather, ignoring .. for someone there is no law at all .. but for someone there are solid prohibitions.
      Not letting go and forbidding ... is our everything.
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 17 October 2020 18: 38 New
        17
        I want to believe that the activists will be able to return the presumptuous "princelings" to the legal channel. It would be great if they also financially punished the presumptuous bureaucrat.
        1. NEOZ
          NEOZ 19 October 2020 14: 40 New
          -3
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          I want to believe that the activists will be able to return the presumptuous "princelings"

          great comment! immediately highlights the enemies of the state !!!!
      2. Nikolay Ivanov_5
        Nikolay Ivanov_5 17 October 2020 19: 38 New
        -16
        Why take a weapon to the subway ???
        1. garri-lin
          garri-lin 17 October 2020 19: 46 New
          22
          Go anywhere. For example, shoot in a shooting range. Or to the train station to go hunting by train. Or in some unfamiliar area where with a gas spray it is calmer at heart.
          1. Nikolay Ivanov_5
            Nikolay Ivanov_5 17 October 2020 19: 48 New
            -63
            Why carry weapons around the city ??? Use weapons from the shooting range, and to protect citizens there are law enforcement agencies who can carry them everywhere. Or do you miss the terrorist attacks in the subway with the use of weapons ???
            1. Svarog
              Svarog 17 October 2020 19: 56 New
              20
              Quote: Nikolai Ivanov_5
              Why carry weapons around the city ??? Use the weapons available in the range.

              Anything can be a weapon .. a fork, a knife, an improvised explosive device .. a car especially, as the recent terrorist attacks in Europe show .. so why not be puzzled by these questions? Maybe his these cars? It is dangerous .. however .. living in general is dangerous, but for some reason, in many countries they live with weapons, but we do not have .. or maybe because the authorities are afraid of armed citizens? After all, if everyone is armed, the laws should work ..
              1. Nikolay Ivanov_5
                Nikolay Ivanov_5 17 October 2020 20: 02 New
                -46
                Therefore, in the news you can often see crimes when firearms are used in public places.
                1. Shopping Mall
                  Shopping Mall 19 October 2020 17: 32 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Nikolai Ivanov_5
                  Therefore, in the news you can often see crimes when firearms are used in public places.


                  So straight and often? In half of the cases, this is generally pneumatics, which some idiots journalists call traumatic. And this wonderful statistics also includes cases of self-defense, deliberately "criminalized" to improve the statistics of detection.

                  Look at the statistics of serious crimes - murders and grievous bodily harm, how many of them were committed with legal weapons? And how many illegal trunks, and also knives, screwdrivers, hammers, broken bottles, etc. etc.
            2. garri-lin
              garri-lin 17 October 2020 19: 56 New
              23
              And when hunting, use weapons from the forest? I will not say anything about law enforcement agencies. Will definitely be banned.
              1. Nikolay Ivanov_5
                Nikolay Ivanov_5 17 October 2020 20: 05 New
                -46
                They go hunting in the forest with weapons on public transport ???
                1. garri-lin
                  garri-lin 17 October 2020 20: 27 New
                  40
                  What's the big deal? I left the house, got on the metro, drove to the station, there on the suburban train, to the summer cottage village, and in the morning on the chassis, for the whole day, with my favorite 12-gauge vertical. Breathe the air. To scare summer residents. Look at the animals. What's illogical about that? With those traffic jams in the cities. With those parking problems. What is illogical about giving up personal transportation? Why has weapons become a scarecrow for people? Elementary folding knives. Why is the gas spray suspicious?
                  1. Nikolay Ivanov_5
                    Nikolay Ivanov_5 17 October 2020 20: 32 New
                    -43
                    Such alleged behavior contrary to common sense is not even worth discussing.
                    1. Clear
                      Clear 17 October 2020 20: 52 New
                      +4
                      Quote: Nikolai Ivanov_5
                      Such alleged behavior contrary to common sense is not even worth discussing.

                      Nikolay, do not strain, today is Saturday love
                      1. Nikolay Ivanov_5
                        Nikolay Ivanov_5 18 October 2020 07: 47 New
                        -23
                        How many terrorist attacks, various events involving the use of this or that weapon have occurred in the metro, and people are indignant about the strict rules applied to prohibiting the transport of weapons and dangerous items.
                      2. Sanichsan
                        Sanichsan 19 October 2020 02: 07 New
                        -8
                        Quote: Nikolay Ivanov_5
                        How many terrorist attacks, various events with the use of one or another weapon in the metro

                        Yes, it's not about terrorist attacks, but about the mentally retarded who buy cans and injuries without any licenses and use them as their roof will blow. I myself faced this and apparently the case is not the only one.

                        To all the bartsuns for the rights of the poor and oppressed, I wish that some frostbitten would start sprinkling pepper spray next to them in a confined space because someone in the crowd caught him with his shoulder. good
                  2. garri-lin
                    garri-lin 17 October 2020 20: 54 New
                    10
                    So discuss the nk. You need such views in the leadership. Like everyone live as I want.
                  3. akarfoxhound
                    akarfoxhound 17 October 2020 21: 58 New
                    30
                    And what is contradictory for you ??? I know people who don't have a driver's license and love hunting, so what ??? And in large metropolitan areas people are not fans to climb through traffic jams. They leave by train to the same Kuznechny from the St. Petersburg Finban, go into the wilds, shoot, "celebrate" the beginning of the season, in the morning again on the electron, "a couple" of hours aired half asleep under the sound of wheels and houses in St. Petersburg. Both in Soviet times and today there are peasants in the same city buses with a folded gun in a case, with a worn-out backpack and a couple of hanging trophies on their belt. What is the contradiction? You, as I understand it, have a very mediated relationship to this process?
                    1. Nikolay Ivanov_5
                      Nikolay Ivanov_5 17 October 2020 22: 55 New
                      -30
                      So, in the metro it is forbidden to transport flammable and toxic substances, ammunition, weapons, stabbing and cutting objects, skis and sleds without covers, animals outside special carriers.

                      https://rg.ru/2014/12/17/metro-site-anons.html
                    2. akarfoxhound
                      akarfoxhound 17 October 2020 23: 32 New
                      17
                      Very interesting "papyrus" in your link! It sounds especially interesting about the gag "of this list of the metro and that it is without the" approval "of the Ministry of Transport! good And what's funny, re-read the article VO again. I hint - it is because of the gag that the "initiative" underground workers are being sued wink
                    3. Nikolay Ivanov_5
                      Nikolay Ivanov_5 18 October 2020 07: 22 New
                      -28
                      The strict rules applied for the transport of hazardous substances and items in the metro are related to earlier events. Everything is done for the benefit and protection of ordinary citizens.
                    4. akarfoxhound
                      akarfoxhound 18 October 2020 09: 21 New
                      12
                      "For the benefit of"? Interesting. We do a lot in our country "for the good", which I will not even list. But back to the specifics, you are not a lawyer, not having a hunting ticket (when you receive it, people surrender the legal norms related to weapons), not being a certified transport security officer (according to Federal Law 16-FZ and other by-laws of departmental documents), do you understand that your opinion is very, I would say even very subjective? It is yours, it has the right to be, like the others, but this does not mean at all that it is the only true one.
                      P.S. I could give you a lecture on counterterrorism (on the measures actually taken and in force), but this is not for one hour, not for one article, and this makes no sense for an outside perspective. (for terrorists there is, but here is another, not a "journal" article yes ). So let's end this hi
                    5. vfwfr
                      vfwfr 18 October 2020 21: 03 New
                      +1
                      And I would listen)) for my general outlook in this direction.
                    6. akarfoxhound
                      akarfoxhound 19 October 2020 20: 42 New
                      +1
                      Well, to listen live - this is unlikely to come out with us, I will not write either, it would be a little - I wrote, in general terms it will be about nothing, you cannot imagine the volume of all this transport-safe disgrace. Look at the publications on the topic of Transport security, they are periodical, they are also issued in electronic versions, through a search engine. The general outline in the articles is quite lucid, but most of it will not be really interesting to you, because concerns the imperfection of legislative acts and amendments to them, the second part in terms of volume in these articles is occupied with special equipment for the same inspection of access to the "sterile zone". The rest is about the problems with safety in air hubs, ports, railway and bus stations. In more detail, with reference to a specific point of transport, no one will write to you (this is information from the DSP, anti-terrorism is still in the country). Look, the topic is huge in volume, you will find interesting for the "general outlook" without problems.
                    7. vfwfr
                      vfwfr 20 October 2020 03: 09 New
                      0
                      "" Well, to listen to live - it is unlikely we will come out "" Yes, it's understandable.
                      "in general terms it will be about nothing" .. and this is understandable, I agree.
                      "You can't imagine this transport-safe disgrace" ... I guess. In other matters, you don't have to go far .. The world crown is, in fact, a worldwide bacteriological attack (or a worldwide bluff), but we decided to defend ourselves with a piece of cloth or a respirator for a builder ... It's funny.
                2. Varyag71
                  Varyag71 19 October 2020 08: 54 New
                  +1
                  Yes, this Kolya looks more like a mother's son, who is still forbidden to take matches and a knife in his hands.
                3. NEOZ
                  NEOZ 19 October 2020 15: 50 New
                  0
                  Quote: akarfoxhound
                  I could give you a lecture on anti-terrorism

                  could and did not, consider it could not ...
                  Quote: akarfoxhound
                  but this is not for one hour, not for one article,

                  waiting for your steel on VO ..... otherwise you .....
                  Quote: akarfoxhound
                  it makes no sense for outsiders

                  why did you mention it then?
                4. akarfoxhound
                  akarfoxhound 19 October 2020 20: 20 New
                  +1
                  I mentioned it because the aviation and transport security services of the regional airport were in my submission for the last two years, and I was directly involved in bringing these structures into working order, and I was creating the second one from scratch.
                  Well, for the second - I have not been hired and do not earn "writing", even on professional topics, for an outsider who does not know how to kill time. I personally just feel sorry for your "curiosity" of my time. I don’t have it.
                  Want to know more? Type in the search engine "Transport Security", look at the laws, starting with the fundamental 16-FZ.
                  Are you interested in this topic? Look! On TB and professional journals with electronic versions there are professionally written articles for people who have been working on this topic for "more than one year", write analytical articles and earn money for bread. But something strongly doubt your interest in this.
                  Otherwise you ... laughing
                5. NEOZ
                  NEOZ 20 October 2020 12: 11 New
                  0
                  Quote: akarfoxhound
                  I mentioned it because the aviation and transport security services of the regional airport were in my subordination for the last two years

                  I know the heads of AB .... extremely incompetent people! ex who left for civilian life ... which airport do you work at?
                6. akarfoxhound
                  akarfoxhound 20 October 2020 15: 52 New
                  0
                  Where am I from - to put it mildly, it does not concern you, in the CMTU, the Federal Air Transport Agency and the regional administration they know me in connection with work and this is enough, and your knowledge about me, as your personal opinion, they do not scratch me in the absolute, I also met no chiefs of the SAB ( yes the former, but for some reason the cops are all UFSIN, the generals for the most part), I was never the head of the SAB, like the PTB, they were subordinate to me. And the funniest thing is to hear about the professional competence of any AB employees from a person who is incompetent in this, because it has nothing to do with this (and if it does, then instead of a lecture before bedtime 142 reads the order of the Ministry of Transport before bedtime)
                  Something your handwritten feints don't surprise me, "experts and specialists" meet regularly, though they tax it mostly, but they've seen a lot in the world, behind the head-on, but while they wait for the client, they give advice on the mobile with competent remarks on how to fly the planes, banks, country ... laughing
                7. NEOZ
                  NEOZ 20 October 2020 16: 11 New
                  +1
                  Quote: akarfoxhound
                  rulers for the most part

                  and that the employees of the LU of the Ministry of Internal Affairs on transport are not
                  Quote: akarfoxhound
                  cops
                  ?
                  Quote: akarfoxhound
                  I was never the head of the SAB, like the PTB, they were under my command.

                  Where does the fish rot from?
                  Quote: akarfoxhound
                  who is incompetent in this

                  competent in what?
                  Quote: akarfoxhound
                  though taxis mostly

                  yes it is not known who you would be if not for your "hairy hands"
                  Quote: akarfoxhound
                  Something your handwritten feints don't surprise me,

                  your arrogance is not surprising, the SAB employees are all like that ...
                  I think I know you!
                  small (170-175), bald, with a mustache, with a belly like a watermelon, 60 years old?
                8. akarfoxhound
                  akarfoxhound 20 October 2020 16: 57 New
                  0
                  How can you not remember our magnificent Soviet commentator Ozerov: "Go-ol !!! ... Barbell !?"
                  Now, having taken out a conlive from the glove compartment, the "clairvoyant" can burst into tears in a yellow aato at the entrance, waiting for the client
                  laughing laughing laughing
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    2. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 18 October 2020 09: 52 New
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      Kolya, if you are not a hunter, then do not fool the hunters, and the concept of "common sense" does not apply to you.
      Here I am a hunter, on my avatar you can see a gun and you can see the game in my hands that the heels of small ducks won't fit into a backpack?
    3. Nikolay Ivanov_5
      Nikolay Ivanov_5 18 October 2020 10: 05 New
      -21
      I don’t care about your opinion, I don’t care about your opinion, but first of all you lack common sense.
    4. Motorist
      Motorist 18 October 2020 20: 23 New
      +2
      I don't understand why it is possible in one transport, but not in the other? On boarding the plane, they took (irrevocably) from me:

      - double row self-aligning bearing
      - diesel generator exhaust valve
      - spray nozzle of the main engine
      - different printed circuit boards.

      This is far from a weapon, just incomprehensible objects that a "normal" passenger does not carry. And you say - a gun ...
    5. akarfoxhound
      akarfoxhound 19 October 2020 20: 58 New
      +1
      But you can easily transport weapons on the plane (registered). There are rules for its transportation, you notify in advance when buying an air ticket, you are received by an aviation security officer and an employee of the Ministry of Internal Affairs specially admitted to this procedure, in the inspection room you provide an "item", an inventory is made, handing over to the SAB employee, he himself delivers it on board, the commander The aircraft accepts, stows your special baggage with a "compartment" specially designated for this on board. At the point of arrival you will be given your trunk with all the "belongings" and forward into the woods !!!
      And with your "iron" in fact there was confusion. You could extract your parts, show them live, and not through a picture of an introscope, and had to let them in with check-in (if in doubt). They will not miss it if you are lucky enough to have gas-oil shock absorbers (considered as an explosive item), even in your luggage, only in a special package, but these shock absorbers will become gold for you.
    6. Motorist
      Motorist 19 October 2020 21: 16 New
      0
      Quote: akarfoxhound
      But you can transport weapons on the plane.

      Most likely, it is, but in the subway you can't give it to the driver ... For iron - I carried it in my hand luggage (though what is more terrible, say, a laptop or a bottle of perfume? "The habit of thought must be driven away - a table knife can become a weapon "). Now, of course, I don’t do that; I even put my pocket tester in my luggage - its probes are "sharp".
    7. Shadow041
      Shadow041 25 October 2020 22: 36 New
      0
      В самолете есть вооруженная охрана,а кто вас станет защищать в метро?! Точно не два тупых безоружных вахтера на входе. Кроме того оружие люди просто так не носят. Мало ли какая у человека ситуация,может ему угрожают,может он собирается сделать дорогую покупку,а ему запрещают носить с собой оружие самообороны,что нарушает его законные права гражданина РФ.
  • Souchastnik
    Souchastnik 18 October 2020 10: 11 New
    +4
    YOU and I did not drink at brotherhood, keep an eye on the market. And who the boor people will understand themselves.
  • Nikolay Ivanov_5
    Nikolay Ivanov_5 18 October 2020 10: 18 New
    -17
    You were the first to be rude. Be healthy and do not go to me.
  • Varyag71
    Varyag71 19 October 2020 08: 51 New
    -1
    Autumn aggravation? To carry such nonsense, it must be able to
  • Senka naughty
    Senka naughty 17 October 2020 21: 02 New
    -32
    Quote: garri-lin
    What's the big deal? I left the house, got on the metro, drove to the station, there on the suburban train, to the summer cottage village, and in the morning on the chassis, for the whole day, with my favorite 12-gauge vertical. Breathe the air. To scare summer residents. Look at the animals. What's illogical about that? With those traffic jams in the cities. With those parking problems. What is illogical about giving up personal transportation? Why has weapons become a scarecrow for people? Elementary folding knives. Why is the gas spray suspicious?

    Only a diode will go with a "12 gauge vertical" to HUNTING in public transport, okay elsewhere in the region by a rural bus, but in a metropolis by metro, this is the height of insanity. With the roe deer caught, this hunter from the metro will definitely be taken for medical examination.
    P.S. The Constitution of the Russian Federation does not prohibit this, but in vain.
    1. garri-lin
      garri-lin 17 October 2020 21: 19 New
      20
      You are even more far from the realities of the life of a metropolis than I am. You can go a lot with the same shot box. And live anywhere. In addition to roe deer in the suburbs of large cities, there is a lot to shoot at. And no one has the right to restrict a person's right to move in a public place. It is logical to ban the transportation of flammable liquids in public transport. In the event of an emergency, this can lead to additional victims. But a disassembled gun in a case cannot do much harm. Likewise, trauma in a person with a working head.
    2. NEOZ
      NEOZ 19 October 2020 14: 43 New
      +1
      Quote: Senka Mad
      Only the diode will go with the "12 gauge vertical" to HUNTING

      definitely !!!!!
  • Nirag013
    Nirag013 18 October 2020 09: 34 New
    +8
    Absolutely sound and correct opinion! If it is convenient for a person to travel by public transport, even with a weapon, without breaking the law - what prohibitions can there be?
  • Mouse
    Mouse 17 October 2020 20: 48 New
    -11
    Hunting on the subway ???? recourse
    And you will also take out the booty by the subway ??? belay
    1. garri-lin
      garri-lin 17 October 2020 20: 55 New
      12
      Not hunting in the subway. And to the dacha in the subway. And I'm taking whatever I want to the dacha. Maybe I'll eat the game from the hunt in the country. And I'll bring the gun back home so that they won't be stolen from the dacha. What's wrong?
      1. Mouse
        Mouse 17 October 2020 21: 05 New
        -15
        Not hunting in the subway. And to the dacha in the subway.

        As it is, everything is far-fetched ...
        Are you going to the country house or hunting? Or do you have elk wandering near your dacha?
        1. garri-lin
          garri-lin 17 October 2020 21: 22 New
          +5
          I just live in the devil where the neighbors walk for bears about 50 kilometers from my house. And besides Prongs, there is no one hunting? Not far from summer cottages? Hares, flying trifles, beavers?
          1. Mouse
            Mouse 17 October 2020 21: 26 New
            -8
            I just live in the devil where the neighbors walk for bears 50 kilometers from my house

            AND??? From your post, I conclude that they still go ..
            I, too, live devils where ... as they say - darkness ...
            and the metro in my taiga was not laid somehow ... crying
          2. garri-lin
            garri-lin 17 October 2020 22: 05 New
            +5
            And how is this connected with the fact that any resident of the metropolis can own any permitted weapon and has the right to transport it in any way? It doesn't matter for hunting or just shooting in a vacant lot outside the city. Or in a specialized institution like Tyr? Personally, how would you react to a person carrying weapons around the city in accordance with the rules?
          3. Mouse
            Mouse 17 October 2020 22: 14 New
            -8
            Personally, how would you react to a person carrying weapons around the city in accordance with the rules?

            Most likely I will not notice who and what is dragging there ... perhaps for this there is a security service in the subway?
            For our and your peace of mind ...
          4. garri-lin
            garri-lin 17 October 2020 23: 11 New
            +6
            And how is visibility related to security? Or is it safe what I don't know about?
          5. volodimer
            volodimer 18 October 2020 07: 58 New
            10
            Strange comments, "call a taxi, use the bus, but no, no on the subway" ... And we are talking about claims against people who have received the right to legally possess weapons. And they have passed all stages of checks from law enforcement agencies and comply with all LEGAL requirements for its storage and transportation. Transportation by air does not cause problems, since there are clear requirements spelled out in the legislation, and not in the metro's "phony letter". This is what this article is about.
            If a store manager prohibits entry in outerwear, convincingly explaining that some customers steal food by hiding it under their clothes ... Despite the fact that this sometimes happens, such requirements will never be legal.
          6. garri-lin
            garri-lin 18 October 2020 09: 42 New
            +6
            This is called Arbitrariness.
          7. Motorist
            Motorist 18 October 2020 20: 38 New
            -1
            Quote: volodimer
            If the store director prohibits entry in outerwear

            And at my house guests take off their shoes and I give them slippers.

            Quote: volodimer
            such requirements will never be legal

            And "mask mode" has already become the norm for you ?!
          8. volodimer
            volodimer 19 October 2020 01: 30 New
            +3
            If the metro proposed a mechanism for the transportation of weapons similar to that established in air transport, then the issue raised in the article would not arise.
            Well, about the "muzzle mode" ... this is an undoubted example of idiocy. Self-isolation and remote control and at the same time the opening of air services, and in the dining room "only with masks" or restrictions on the work of clubs and restaurants from 22 pm to 6 am (of course, it is at this time that the virus is simply raging). Either put on your panties, or remove the cross. This is not for you, of course, but for the gentlemen who establish such "rules". hi
            I am not against reasonable and legal restrictions, but when things happen that Shooter I justly described it as arbitrariness, it does not suit me.
  • 72jora72
    72jora72 18 October 2020 05: 22 New
    +7
    Are you going to the country house or hunting?
    What difference does it make to you where, on what and why I'm going?
  • Shopping Mall
    Shopping Mall 19 October 2020 17: 58 New
    +1
    Quote: Mouse
    Not hunting in the subway. And to the dacha in the subway.

    As it is, everything is far-fetched ...
    Are you going to the country house or hunting? Or do you have elk wandering near your dacha?


    What's your business? You think like some security guards in stores who think they have powers like the Supreme Court, and they can decide what is allowed and what is not.

    Far-fetched - not far-fetched, situations are different, people gather to hunt in another region, go to a train station or airport, you never know situations.

    There is a law, it must be observed. And if tomorrow officials will introduce rectal examination in the metro? You never know what you can bring there, will you also find an excuse for them? Well, you never know, if only there were no terrorist attacks, and in the knee-elbow boom!
  • akarfoxhound
    akarfoxhound 17 October 2020 22: 06 New
    10
    Those. Do you need a cargo van under the "mass target" of the hunters' arrival - partridges, hares, ducks? Or is hunting only wild boar, elk, roe deer? Sorry the mammoths died out laughing
  • Boris ⁣ Shaver
    Boris ⁣ Shaver 17 October 2020 21: 25 New
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    Quote: Nikolay Ivanov_5
    there are law enforcement agencies to protect citizens

    So they write to you that arbitrariness and lawlessness were arranged in the St. Petersburg metro. Where are your law enforcement agencies?

    Quote: Nikolay Ivanov_5
    law enforcement who can carry it everywhere

    And citizens can transport it. This is the law. What right do you have to encroach on the rights of citizens of the Russian Federation guaranteed by law? Today is a weapon, but what will you fancy and want tomorrow? I urge you before it is too late to get off this slippery path and not to encroach on the rights of your fellow citizens.
    1. Mouse
      Mouse 17 October 2020 22: 32 New
      -2
      The notorious "democracy" or tolerance? Something I can't figure out ... who should I bow to? wassat
      1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
        Boris ⁣ Shaver 17 October 2020 22: 56 New
        +3
        When you thump, it is better to communicate with loved ones, and not to scribble any nonsense on the forum to strangers
        1. Mouse
          Mouse 17 October 2020 23: 04 New
          0
          Oh ... tell me ... that you have nothing in common with tolerance and "democracy" imposed on you? It's easier to translate arrows ... yes
          Well, yes ... Russia ... we all drink ... drinks
  • Revival
    Revival 18 October 2020 01: 40 New
    +2
    Should you walk to the hunting ground?
  • Varyag71
    Varyag71 19 October 2020 08: 12 New
    -1
    how do you leave the house?
  • Varyag71
    Varyag71 19 October 2020 08: 44 New
    0
    Laughing with my law enforcement officers. They cannot defend themselves, and the policemen fully justify their name
  • NEOZ
    NEOZ 19 October 2020 14: 41 New
    0
    Quote: Nikolay Ivanov_5
    Or do you miss the terrorist attacks in the subway with the use of weapons ???

    that is what he lacks ... this is our brother, from Ukraine ...
  • Shopping Mall
    Shopping Mall 19 October 2020 17: 50 New
    +2
    Quote: Nikolai Ivanov_5
    Why carry weapons around the city ???


    Why such a desire to forbid everything? You don’t need to wear it, and don’t wear it. Why forbid others? Afraid of being killed? So they can do this even without weapons - just drunk football fans will be beaten to death, and that's it, or the drunk at the entrance will break the skull for 100 rubles. Maybe it's better not to leave the house at all? And that, now you can work from home, delivery of everything you can eat, and you don't have to worry about what to whom and what not.

    Or to jail - that's where it's safe, the concentration of law enforcement agencies is off scale.

    Quote: Nikolai Ivanov_5
    Use weapons from the shooting range, and to protect citizens there are law enforcement agencies who can carry them everywhere.


    Evsyukov approves.

    On the same news, one can often hear - either the police major "smacking" on the playground, then the police sergeant put a bottle in the lieutenant's ass, and of course, in case of any threat, teleportation works - a special forces platoon immediately appears with a clap to save another terpila.

    I don’t remember whose quote: "Citizens who refuse freedom for the sake of safety do not deserve either one or the other."

    Quote: Nikolai Ivanov_5
    Or do you miss the terrorist attacks in the subway with the use of weapons ???


    And there were many terrorist attacks with legal weapons in the subway?

    I recently heard a statement here, such as that it is necessary to forbid walking in the mountains, climbing into caves, they say it is unsafe, what if what happens? And tomorrow the same people will say what clothes should not be worn - camouflage, for example, or only one-piece swimsuits for women, hairstyles should be rationed there. And music should be banned more actively, Russian rock, for example. You shouldn't play the guitar, what if they compose and sing against the authorities?

    I remember recently the transfer was, as in the late 80s, in the USSR, a gang of two teenagers and a convict with a sawed-off shotgun and two knives robbed, raped and killed in broad daylight, and all the victims could only hum in response. Such is the price of an unarmed society ...
    And what is characteristic, no one knew about it then, they did not talk about the gang on TV - why scare the people? Even now, many are convinced that there was very little crime in the USSR. Where did the million prisoners, hundreds of thousands of repeat offenders come from then, they cannot answer ...
  • mik193
    mik193 21 October 2020 10: 05 New
    0
    Law enforcement agencies do not protect citizens, but only state the fact of a crime against them and possibly investigate it.
    And as for the transportation of weapons - it is prohibited "without covers and proper packaging."
  • ermak124.0
    ermak124.0 24 October 2020 12: 12 New
    0
    иванов, вы спятили??!
  • Clear
    Clear 17 October 2020 20: 47 New
    +5
    Quote: Nikolai Ivanov_5
    Why take a weapon to the subway ???

    So there, just the most aggressive environment winked
    1. Nikolay Ivanov_5
      Nikolay Ivanov_5 17 October 2020 20: 48 New
      -12
      You can meet bears, wild boars, wolves, moose and other animals. wassat
      1. Clear
        Clear 17 October 2020 20: 53 New
        +7
        Quote: Nikolai Ivanov_5
        You can meet bears, wild boars, wolves, moose and other animals. wassat

        Well, you just described TIR winked
        1. Nikolay Ivanov_5
          Nikolay Ivanov_5 17 October 2020 20: 58 New
          -8
          Sorry, I wanted to post a little bit. repeat
          1. Clear
            Clear 17 October 2020 21: 03 New
            +6
            Quote: Nikolai Ivanov_5
            Sorry, I wanted to post a little bit. repeat

            The admins, in my opinion last week, made a topic about humor and positive. It was not bad. Probably the guys forgot with these shootings ... crying
        2. Mouse
          Mouse 17 October 2020 21: 09 New
          +6
          Well, you just described TIR

          good just super !!! love
  • NEOZ
    NEOZ 19 October 2020 14: 38 New
    -1
    Quote: Svarog
    Not letting go and forbidding ... is our everything.

    yes yes, they do not allow walking with weapons on the subway ... ay yay yay ...
  • Terenin
    Terenin 17 October 2020 19: 52 New
    +8
    Quote: Don Karleone
    I am the master, you are the master. Aul understanding of laws and rights.

    Right. And, the role of the State Duma deputies is to correctly place punctuation marks.
    1. Clear
      Clear 17 October 2020 21: 05 New
      +6
      Quote: Terenin
      Quote: Don Karleone
      I am the master, you are the master. Aul understanding of laws and rights.

      Right. And, the role of the State Duma deputies is to correctly place punctuation marks.

      Gena, these deputies should better not touch anything stop
      1. Mouse
        Mouse 17 October 2020 21: 45 New
        +5
        Envious eyes ...
        Raking handles ...
    2. cniza
      cniza 19 October 2020 13: 13 New
      +3
      They are now being taught the Russian language, dictations are forced to write. yes
      1. Terenin
        Terenin 19 October 2020 19: 05 New
        +4
        Quote: cniza
        They are now being taught the Russian language, dictations are forced to write. yes

        And, they will write out a diploma of additional education of international importance winked
        1. cniza
          cniza 19 October 2020 20: 38 New
          +2
          Well, it's kind of just a nice addition ... yes
  • Megatron
    Megatron 17 October 2020 20: 01 New
    +5
    We call them GESTAPES, a bunch of hefty men-parasites, they beat their thumbs all day at every station. It’s at our expense that they eat and drink.
  • Terenin
    Terenin 17 October 2020 20: 15 New
    13
    Judging by the videos, all the guards and police of this metro station are chained to this incident for at least 10-15 minutes and no one controls the passage of other passengers. Those. you can divert attention for ... time.
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  • Boris ⁣ Shaver
    Boris ⁣ Shaver 17 October 2020 23: 38 New
    +6
    The most surprising thing is that if you count how many massacres in our country with the help of legal weapons were committed by various law enforcement officers (from Major Yevsyukov in the supermarket to the chop man Manyurov under the FSB building) and ordinary citizens, and then calculate how many percent of ordinary citizens used legal weapons for mass murder and how many percent of the "law enforcement", the comparison will be terrifying for the latter.
    Meanwhile, our state is increasingly tightening the laws on weapons for ordinary citizens and at the same time more and more permits various "guards" (remember that while the coronavirus was raging, a law was dragged through, according to which an employee can shoot at a citizen only on the basis of his own suspicion ?! ).
    The meaning of the actions of those in power is clear. Another surprise is that among ordinary citizens there are those who, with a joyful squeal, will accept the illogical actions of the legislators. And here at VO, some anarchists rejoice not only about changes in laws in this direction, but even their violation by managers from the St. Petersburg metro. They rejoice at the violation of laws - this is nonsense.
    1. Varyag71
      Varyag71 19 October 2020 09: 20 New
      0
      What to take from lackeys. They welcome any whim of their owners.
  • g1v2
    g1v2 17 October 2020 18: 10 New
    -31
    FIG. There are so many people in the subway that one nutcase with a barrel can do such troubles that corpses will be piled up in piles. The fact that with a weapon in the subway has not been written in the rules of use for decades. And during all this time no one was embarrassed. There are rules for using this transport. Disagree? Go in a taxi. It's inexpensive now.
    1. Mordred79
      Mordred79 17 October 2020 18: 19 New
      19
      And can you find out what the rules have been in effect for decades? Considering that under Khrushchev, hunting rifles were sold without permission, and small pieces were in schools until the end of the 80s?
      1. g1v2
        g1v2 17 October 2020 18: 43 New
        -19
        When you ride the subway, there is such a sign on the wall of any carriage. It is called the "rules for using the subway". It lists what can and cannot be done in the metro. For example, it says that it is forbidden to ride skateboards, bicycles or wear clothes that can stain other passengers or descend on the rails on the subway. Or what size baggage can be carried on the subway. I think you understand that no law is needed for this. There is also a ban on the transport of weapons. This is the rule for using this object. If you do not want to comply with them - go by other transport. request
        1. 2 Level Advisor
          2 Level Advisor 17 October 2020 19: 13 New
          22
          Vitaly, the law is such a thing .. it works throughout the entire territory of the Russian Federation .. and some bosses cannot abolish it by their own will .. otherwise tomorrow some governor will cancel an article of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation .. in fact the same thing - the abolition of the Federal Law by some chief ..
          1. The popuas
            The popuas 19 October 2020 08: 26 New
            +2
            We have this at every step! A little "scarecrow" gets to the press, so it begins to engage in lawmaking! What are some local acts that contradict the Federal Law!
        2. Svarog
          Svarog 17 October 2020 19: 15 New
          +6
          Quote: g1v2
          If you do not want to comply with them - go by other transport.

          By the way about transport .. and the rights can also prohibit to issue? After all, a psycho can enter the crowd ..?
          1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
            Boris ⁣ Shaver 17 October 2020 22: 02 New
            +3
            Quote: Svarog
            rights can also prohibit to issue?

            And finally start giving out duties.
        3. Aleksandre
          Aleksandre 17 October 2020 19: 24 New
          10
          Quote: g1v2
          When you ride the subway, there is such a sign on the wall of any carriage. It is called the "rules for using the subway".

          In Moscow, in fact, it is not prohibited:
          2.10. It is forbidden to carry on MMTS (located in the station lobby):
          2.10.2. Firearms, piercing and easily beating objects without covers (packaging), including skis and skates, a small garden tool with open sharp parts.

          It is written clumsily, but it must be understood so, probably, that one cannot transport "weapons that pierce and easily break without packaging." But packed - you can.
          Therefore, yes, in St. Petersburg, something ran ahead of the locomotive and the law, although in general - there is no way to do with weapons in crowded places.
          1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
            Boris ⁣ Shaver 17 October 2020 22: 08 New
            10
            Quote: Aleksandre
            But packed - you can

            The transportation of weapons to citizens of the Russian Federation is allowed (legal). Transportation rules are detailed in the law. It (transportation) cannot be taken and prohibited by some state unitary enterprise, CJSC, LLC or individual entrepreneur. Our business entities are not endowed with the right to legislate.
            Moreover, it is not some vigilantes or officers on duty, or some other rabble that should check the legality of a citizen's transportation of weapons, but only law enforcement officers (and this is also clearly stated in the law).
            Anything else is a violation of the law. And should be prosecuted by the law enforcement system. If this does not happen, then the country is falling into the arms of anarchy, when some mayor, by his decrees, can restrict the rights of citizens to move, and some manager from the State Unitary Enterprise can restrict the right of a citizen to transport weapons. Anarchy from the top is quickly picked up and reinforced by the bottom. It was so in the 90s, and it will be so today, if such a disregard for the law is not finally suppressed.
            1. dauria
              dauria 18 October 2020 01: 56 New
              +3
              if this disregard for the law is not finally stopped.


              The funniest and most naive thing that can be heard after the "nullification of the constitution and pensions." Do you want by the law? Yes, easily ... Tea, not Ohm's law, will be rewritten. And we will wear muzzles and rejoice. Ku! laughing
        4. Winnie76
          Winnie76 17 October 2020 19: 57 New
          18
          Quote: g1v2
          There is also a ban on the transport of weapons. This is the rule for using this object. If you do not want to comply with them - go by other transport.

          Yeah. And on the territory of the horticultural partnership, introduce Sharia laws, a ban on alcohol consumption and abolish the constitution. Don't like it - go to another cottage
      2. Terenin
        Terenin 17 October 2020 19: 50 New
        10
        Quote: Mordred79
        and in schools until the end of the 80s were small ones?

        And they were actively used in the educational process during practical shooting. Favorite elective in Military.
    2. Svarog
      Svarog 17 October 2020 18: 55 New
      +4
      Quote: g1v2
      There are so many people in the subway that one nutcase with a barrel can do such troubles that corpses will be piled up in piles.

      So this nutcase can and not only do in the subway .. only to have permission, you need to get certificates and pay for them .. then why are they nuns?
    3. New Year day
      New Year day 17 October 2020 19: 11 New
      +9
      Quote: g1v2
      There are so many people in the metro that one nutcase with a barrel can do such troubles that corpses will be piled up in piles

      there are so many forks and knives in a canteen or cafe, and even more in a restaurant. How much can you cut!
      But seriously, departmental instructions cannot be higher than federal ones. What is not prohibited by law is permitted.
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 17 October 2020 19: 19 New
        +1
        Quote: Silvestr
        What is not prohibited by law is permitted.

        Yeah, tell him that ... he is far from the only one with us who knows how our Themis works and what the law is ..
      2. g1v2
        g1v2 17 October 2020 23: 12 New
        -5
        In the rules for using the toilet, for example, it is forbidden to stand with your feet on the toilet. But there is no law prohibiting this. Tch means since there is no such law, can you do it? wink
        1. Revival
          Revival 18 October 2020 01: 47 New
          +7
          Yes, you may be surprised, but if you are caught doing this, then you will not be jailed or even fined.
        2. New Year day
          New Year day 18 October 2020 08: 41 New
          +1
          Quote: g1v2
          In the rules for using the toilet, for example, it is forbidden to stand with your feet on the toilet

          It depends on the state of the toilet! Some are reluctant to approach
        3. Fan-fan
          Fan-fan 18 October 2020 10: 08 New
          +3
          Vitalik, will you sit down with your bare booty on the toilet, flooded and smeared with human waste?
          1. Varyag71
            Varyag71 19 October 2020 09: 23 New
            -1
            He doesn't seem to get out of there.
    4. Alesi13
      Alesi13 17 October 2020 19: 36 New
      +2
      It's easy to write nonsense
      1. Clear
        Clear 17 October 2020 20: 57 New
        +6
        Quote: Alesi13
        It's easy to write nonsense

        Sometimes you hear such stupidity, but it turns out - point of view winked
        1. Alesi13
          Alesi13 17 October 2020 22: 11 New
          -1
          Well? Yes, sometimes
        2. Boris ⁣ Shaver
          Boris ⁣ Shaver 17 October 2020 22: 36 New
          -1
          Quote: Clear
          you hear stupidity, but it turns out - point of view

          When stupidity is your point of view, it is better to be silent.
          1. Clear
            Clear 18 October 2020 11: 44 New
            +2
            Quote: Boris ⁣ Shaver
            Quote: Clear
            you hear stupidity, but it turns out - point of view

            When stupidity is your point of view, it is better to be silent.

            So keep quiet request
            1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
              Boris ⁣ Shaver 18 October 2020 16: 19 New
              -1
              Quote: Clear
              So keep quiet

              Are the laws of our country stupid? Oh well
              1. Clear
                Clear 18 October 2020 16: 25 New
                +2
                Quote: Boris ⁣ Shaver
                Quote: Clear
                So keep quiet

                Are the laws of our country stupid? Oh well

                Moreover, are there laws?
                1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
                  Boris ⁣ Shaver 18 October 2020 16: 45 New
                  0
                  Quote: Clear
                  Moreover, are there laws?

                  It is considered good form to read the topic and comments before expressing your "most valuable opinion" in a particular thread. Or, as I recommended above, not express at all. The latter is clearly more reliable.
                  1. Shadow041
                    Shadow041 25 October 2020 22: 41 New
                    0
                    Так закон РФ не запрещает перемещаться на общественном транспорте с оружием самообороны. То что происходит в питерском метро ,это беззаконие и произвол местного выскочки-чиновника,которого нужно гнать с работы прямиком под суд,за превышение служебных полномочий
                    1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
                      Boris ⁣ Shaver 25 October 2020 22: 42 New
                      0
                      Quote: Shadow041
                      закон РФ не запрещает перемещаться на общественном транспорте с оружием самообороны

                      So what am I talking about?
    5. paul3390
      paul3390 17 October 2020 20: 20 New
      +4
      Foolish reasoning. Well, let's put the roof off the dude and he decided with the Saiga or there Vepr to crush a bunch of people for some reason in the subway. Well - and who will stop him? Loafers-controllers or something at the stations?
      1. Blackgrifon
        Blackgrifon 17 October 2020 21: 36 New
        +7
        The point is not in the logic of reasoning about the correctness / incorrectness of transporting weapons in the metro, but in the fact that such a decision was made in violation of the current norms.

        By the way, why did everyone get hooked on the firearm, if the prohibition also applies to gas cans, including?
        1. paul3390
          paul3390 17 October 2020 22: 33 New
          +5
          Because you just don't have to twirl the can. I put it in my pocket - and no problem. But the Boar on the shooting range still needs to be taken somehow, if there is no car. And alas - you can't put it in your pocket ..
          1. Blackgrifon
            Blackgrifon 17 October 2020 22: 36 New
            -1
            I disagree with the spray - if they have carried out an inspection, they will find it. And so yes - no figs to shine.
            1. paul3390
              paul3390 17 October 2020 22: 43 New
              +6
              They are not allowed to conduct searches. They are not police officers. They can only ask to present something voluntarily. Exactly what to ask for.
      2. g1v2
        g1v2 17 October 2020 23: 14 New
        0
        At least they won't let him inside. Plus, a transport police is on duty at each station. request
        1. bk0010
          bk0010 17 October 2020 23: 32 New
          +3
          Quote: g1v2
          At least they won't let him inside.
          How will they not miss it? If it's a killer, then they'll just die first. Well, let's say they're really cool and didn't let the maniac into the subway. So what? In front of the metro, people are not enough?
    6. Boris ⁣ Shaver
      Boris ⁣ Shaver 17 October 2020 22: 32 New
      +6
      Quote: g1v2
      one nutcase with a gun can do such troubles

      I don’t know about the barrel, but then one nutcase recently, in a state of alcoholic intoxication, became president, as a result, he destroyed the country in parts, destroyed the most powerful economy, a rampant crime began in the country, wars began (and still cannot subside), hundreds of thousands of people have already been killed (as a result of hostilities and / or rampant crime), millions of people have been robbed. Maybe we will ban presidents now, eh?
      1. g1v2
        g1v2 17 October 2020 23: 19 New
        +1
        Well, Yeltsin actually cosplayed Lenin. request The one on the armored car - this one on the tank. laughing And he, for example, was not the president, and Yeltsin did not immediately become called the president. And there is a ban - a ban on riots and coups. But it is far from always that he can prevent them. And then the winners put their leader either the mausoleum or the Yeltsin Center. wink
        1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
          Boris ⁣ Shaver 17 October 2020 23: 56 New
          0
          Quote: g1v2
          that for example was not president

          Will we ban the leaders too?
        2. Boris ⁣ Shaver
          Boris ⁣ Shaver 18 October 2020 00: 19 New
          +1
          Quote: g1v2
          there is a ban - a ban on riots and coups

          It's like banning money instead of banning dangerous goods.
          Money is only a means - it can be spent on both harmful and useful things.
          A dangerous product can be purchased without money - barter, for example.
  • ZEMCH
    ZEMCH 17 October 2020 18: 13 New
    -4
    State Unitary Enterprise "Petersburg Metro" took over the function of the highest bodies of state power of the Russian Federation and introduced restrictions on the rights of citizens on a separate territory of the St. Petersburg metro. I will not delve into legal subtleties, but the metro does not have such rights. Nevertheless, this fact was officially enshrined in the rules for using the St. Petersburg metro.

    And you will also try to carry weapons on the plane, the rules for each type of transport are regulated by the safety of other transport users. Delve into the legal intricacies of what a metro is and what types of objects it refers to!
    Your rights end where the rights of others begin!
    1. Cowbra
      Cowbra 17 October 2020 18: 23 New
      16
      Quote: ZEMCH
      And you will also try to carry weapons on the plane

      As far as I remember, everything is legally regulated there, and moreover, no one bothers to fly with a weapon - checked it in and go
      The Ministry of Justice of the Russian Federation under number 2200 on April 24, 2000 approved a paper on the rules for the temporary storage of weapons in an aircraft.
      And here we have what? And here we have - I don't give a fuck about the laws, my country is different.
      There is also an exclusion zone at airports, for example, you will not be allowed to walk along the runway. On the same basis, let's not let everyone into the subway? There the runway is not fenced, i.e. rails - what if it gets there? The excuse is so-so.
      1. ZEMCH
        ZEMCH 17 October 2020 18: 51 New
        -20
        The metro is a strategic object and itself regulates the rules of transportation
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 17 October 2020 19: 00 New
          18
          Quote: ZEMCH
          The metro is a strategic object and itself regulates the rules of transportation

          All restrictions on the rights of citizens must be based on the law. What law does the Metro refer to? wink
        2. New Year day
          New Year day 17 October 2020 19: 14 New
          +7
          Quote: ZEMCH
          The metro is a strategic object and itself regulates the rules of transportation

          with what fright? Sobyanin, too, even violates the constitution, arranged segregation in Moscow and nothing.
          Local princes
          1. Cowbra
            Cowbra 17 October 2020 22: 20 New
            +1
            Not Sobyanin, this is from Luzhka, if you are for
            Article 27 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation The latest version of Article 27 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation states: 1. Everyone who is legally on the territory of the Russian Federation has the right to move freely, choose a place of stay and residence.

            Source: http://constitutionrf.ru/rzd-1/gl-2/st-27-krf

            ... and registration
            1. New Year day
              New Year day 18 October 2020 08: 43 New
              +4
              Quote: Cowbra
              and registration

              No. only Sobyanin managed to prohibit going out on the street at the age of over 65, and this is age segregation, a direct violation of the constitution
    2. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 17 October 2020 18: 31 New
      +5
      Quote: ZEMCH
      Delve into the legal intricacies

      You need to deepen. It is forbidden by law (!) To carry weapons on the plane, not on the metro. Here it is necessary either to bring the legal framework in line, or to fine the metro for arbitrariness.
      Otherwise, why do we need laws, a constitution?
      With the mask mode they have already got it, the semi-legal requirement to wear a muzzle also contradicts the current laws.
      1. Avior
        Avior 17 October 2020 18: 40 New
        16
        It is not forbidden to carry weapons on the plane, but there are rules for transportation.
        Unloaded, disassembled in luggage.
        The metro was simply banned.
      2. Avior
        Avior 17 October 2020 18: 45 New
        13
        ... RULES FOR TRANSPORTATION OF WEAPONS, AMMUNITION AND SPECIAL EQUIPMENT
        How to transport weapons by plane:
        When booking and registering a departure with airline flights, the passenger must inform the airline representative or aviation security representative of the intention to transport weapons as baggage.
        A passenger carrying a weapon must appear at check-in no later than an hour and a half before departure.
        When transporting weapons on the territory of the Russian Federation, the passenger must have an appropriate permit for the right to store and carry weapons.
        When importing / exporting weapons to / from the territory of the Russian Federation and transporting them through the territory of the Russian Federation, the passenger must have a permit for the import / export of weapons issued by an authorized body of the Ministry of Internal Affairs ...
        1. Mouse
          Mouse 17 October 2020 19: 15 New
          +4
          Just wondering ... who will bother with this whole procedure for transporting weapons on the subway ... recourse
          1. Terenin
            Terenin 17 October 2020 19: 42 New
            12
            Quote: Mouse
            I will not delve into legal subtleties, but the metro does not have such rights.

            In the civil procedure, the case is a winning one. More or less like this. The prosecutor's office, in the order of supervision, protests the decision of the metro in court. The court overturns the unlawful decision, and the victims file a lawsuit to pay them monetary compensation for causing moral harm. The amount of the determination of harm winked ... from the ceiling. They will cancel ... and pay like cute.
            1. Mouse
              Mouse 17 October 2020 19: 52 New
              +3
              Gennady, I welcome hi
              Sorry, but you attributed someone else's statement to me ...
              If you are interested in my opinion ... then it is - do you have a weapon? not figs wandering around the subway ... take the car ...
              And everyone is happy ... yes
              1. Terenin
                Terenin 17 October 2020 19: 58 New
                +6
                Quote: Mouse
                Gennady, I welcome hi
                Sorry, but you attributed someone else's statement to me ...
                If you are interested in my opinion ... then it is - do you have a weapon? not figs wandering around the subway ... take the car ...
                And everyone is happy ... yes

                Vasily, something went wrong "insert a quote". Sorry buddy hi
            2. Cowbra
              Cowbra 17 October 2020 22: 27 New
              +3
              To me specifically, explain - I, for example. Not allowed. They have an internal box. There are no documents on hand (he refused to write anything at all), the cops are not witnesses - just catch them around, will you be a witness? So that they also wait for the drawing up of the protocol, gave them their passport, as witnesses? Nobody will go. You go to work, or where else - you have hemorrhoids. I’ll offer you money so that you stay late - so it will be ruined in court as I bought you. And it remains - my word is against ... He - so, maybe the sign is hanging, what is his name ... Proofs zero, cops as witnesses will immediately leave - they - what they will order, but the order is not from the watchman of this, and the watchman - not by himself!
              Here, by the way, the cops are OBLIGED to stop illegal actions, on the one hand - the prosecutor's office (read the bamazhka?), On the other - his internal
      3. ZEMCH
        ZEMCH 17 October 2020 18: 52 New
        -7
        See answer above
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 17 October 2020 18: 57 New
          +7
          Quote: ZEMCH
          See answer above

          And what should I see there? It is prohibited by law to carry weapons in the cabin of an aircraft, but not in the metro and other types of public transport. Do not agree?
          1. ZEMCH
            ZEMCH 17 October 2020 19: 47 New
            -2


            If you think that it is not right to go to court, I can also give an answer from the prosecutor's office, there is the same thing.
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 17 October 2020 20: 24 New
              11
              Order of the Ministry of Transport on the approval of the rules of the filkin letter. "11) transport weapons and ammunition (except for cases established by the Rules in accordance with the legislation of the Russian Federation)". Rules are not law.
              The article contains a link to the explanation of the prosecutor's office, the body that monitors the observance of the rule of law. You put the answer of the SB of the underground higher. Are you seriously?
              1. ZEMCH
                ZEMCH 17 October 2020 20: 46 New
                -5
                442-FZ, clause 5, art. 27 read
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 17 October 2020 22: 24 New
                  +5
                  Quote: ZEMCH
                  Read
                  What exactly? What are you talking about? belay
                  FZ 442, Art. 27, p. 5 -
                  5) a list of documents required for the provision of a social service, indicating the documents and information that must be submitted by the recipient of the social service, and documents that are to be submitted within the framework of interdepartmental information interaction or submitted by the recipient of the social service on its own initiative;
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              3. Andrey Kupriyanov
                Andrey Kupriyanov 17 October 2020 23: 53 New
                +1
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                Order of the Ministry of Transport on the approval of the rules of the filkin letter. "11) transport weapons and ammunition (except for cases established by the Rules in accordance with the legislation of the Russian Federation)". Rules are not law.
                The article contains a link to the explanation of the prosecutor's office, the body that monitors the observance of the rule of law. You put the answer of the SB of the underground higher. Are you seriously?


                In the Order of the Ministry of Transport, everything is fine, it is allowed.
            2. Andrey Kupriyanov
              Andrey Kupriyanov 17 October 2020 23: 46 New
              +8
              Thanks for posting the metro's answer. I read it. Conclusion: the deputy head of the metro does not know the laws of the Russian Federation, and most importantly, he does not know the Order of the Ministry of Transport of Russia dated July 23.07.2015, 227 N 37, to which he repeatedly refers. In this order, namely in the Rules approved by it, section I General Provisions, clause XNUMX: "Objects of inspection are not allowed in the transport security zone of an OTI or a vehicle or their parts, including individuals who have been found, identified or identified with weapons, explosives or other devices, objects and substances included in the Lists, which moved without a legal basis.".
              further p. 38: "Moving to the transport safety area and to the critical elements of technical equipment or vehicles for the purpose of further transportation of items and substances included in the Lists, allowed in accordance with the regulatory legal acts of the Russian Federation, governing the rules, procedure and conditions for their carriage by mode of transport, as well as the rules of carriage established by STI, carriers. "

              PS If you claim that the same is in the response of the prosecutor's office, then it is very sad (
    3. New Year day
      New Year day 17 October 2020 19: 12 New
      +1
      Quote: ZEMCH
      And you will also try to carry weapons on the plane

      so do so
      Quote: Cowbra
      checked in luggage and forward
    4. paul3390
      paul3390 17 October 2020 20: 23 New
      +7
      The rules for transporting weapons have so far been governed by the Federal Weapons Act. So there is a ban on transportation on airplanes, but there is no subway ban. With all that it implies.
    5. Alesi13
      Alesi13 17 October 2020 22: 14 New
      0
      Again nonsense
    6. Boris ⁣ Shaver
      Boris ⁣ Shaver 17 October 2020 22: 47 New
      +2
      Quote: ZEMCH
      And you will also try to carry weapons on the plane

      I did this several times already. You yourself first read the law. In the plane, the weapon flies separately from the passenger (not in carry-on luggage, of course), but it did not even occur to airlines to prohibit transportation of it - for this right is guaranteed to a citizen by law. You just pass it at the entrance and get it at the exit. And the barrel and cartridges (only gas, it seems, is impossible)
    7. bk0010
      bk0010 17 October 2020 23: 33 New
      +4
      Quote: ZEMCH
      And you will also try to carry weapons on the plane
      What's the problem? You hand over at the control, the crew is lucky, they return at landing.
    8. Revival
      Revival 18 October 2020 01: 50 New
      +4
      Until it is spelled out in the law, it is allowed, and since here it also directly contradicts the law, then there is general chaos!
    9. 72jora72
      72jora72 18 October 2020 05: 40 New
      +4
      And you will also try to carry weapons on the plane,
      I constantly carry hunting rifles and carbines on airplanes, I hand it over before the flight, I fly it in, I get it back. No problems at all.
  • Mouse
    Mouse 17 October 2020 18: 25 New
    +2
    The old truth ... in our turbulent times, it is better to overbear than to overlook ... yes
    1. Terenin
      Terenin 17 October 2020 19: 44 New
      10
      Quote: Mouse
      The old truth ... in our turbulent times, it is better to overbear than to overlook ... yes

      Vasily, they (LRR) are already perebdevyat at the time of collecting all the certificates and analyzes. These are "circles of hell", even for traumatics.
      hi
      1. Mouse
        Mouse 17 October 2020 19: 56 New
        +3
        Byada ... and tomorrow they will talk about the technical syndrome ... that's where the end of the world will be ... laughing
        Mop them all, mop !!! wassat
        Without any legal delay ... wink
        1. Terenin
          Terenin 17 October 2020 20: 02 New
          +7
          Quote: Mouse
          Byada ... and tomorrow they will talk about the technical syndrome ... that's where the end of the world will be ... laughing

          A good master (here - the Ministry of Transport of Russia) has discipline in all subordinate structures. And where it is not there, everyone is "his own head", incl. and on departmental lawmaking.
          1. Mouse
            Mouse 17 October 2020 20: 04 New
            +4
            Yes ... Where there is no technical equipment, there is anarchy! wassat
            1. Terenin
              Terenin 17 October 2020 20: 08 New
              11
              Quote: Mouse
              Yes ... Where there is no technical equipment, there is anarchy! wassat

              The only thing left was the technical staff of the metro to issue their own instructions prohibiting entering the metro with dirty shoes.
              1. Mouse
                Mouse 17 October 2020 20: 18 New
                +4
                Not ... what is so radical at once?
                What could be easier? Wipe your feet! wink
                1. Terenin
                  Terenin 17 October 2020 20: 22 New
                  +7
                  Quote: Mouse
                  Not ... what is so radical at once?
                  What could be easier? Wipe your feet! wink

                  I remember at school, "guys, wipe your feet" didn't work No. ... And, the radical reception of Baba-Glasha to get a butt in the forehead, worked clearly and flawlessly yes
                  1. Mouse
                    Mouse 17 October 2020 20: 30 New
                    +8

                    Something like this.... laughing
                  2. Clear
                    Clear 17 October 2020 20: 35 New
                    +7
                    Quote: Terenin
                    Quote: Mouse
                    Not ... what is so radical at once?
                    What could be easier? Wipe your feet! wink

                    I remember at school, "guys, wipe your feet" didn't work No. ... And, the radical reception of Baba-Glasha to get a butt in the forehead, worked clearly and flawlessly yes

                    I should have written: "Wipe your feet, Baba Glasha owns karate" lol
                    1. Mouse
                      Mouse 17 October 2020 20: 58 New
                      +5
                      Our aunts Glasha will give Jackie Chan a head start! tongue
                      1. Clear
                        Clear 17 October 2020 21: 00 New
                        +8
                        Quote: Mouse
                        Our aunts Glasha will give Jackie Chan a head start! tongue

                        Because Jackie Chan is handsome and our grandmothers love him love
                      2. Mouse
                        Mouse 17 October 2020 21: 50 New
                        +8
                        our grandmothers love him

                        They regret ... all by myself, all by myself ... No.
                      3. Mouse
                        Mouse 17 October 2020 22: 38 New
                        +8
                        I look and my grandmothers read the site .... all the same they love Jackie !!! laughing
  • frog
    frog 17 October 2020 23: 57 New
    +2
    About "perebdeyvayut" - where as .... Somewhere - just put a bolt. Alas...
  • for
    for 17 October 2020 18: 52 New
    -1
    Letters from the prosecutor's office were shown,

    Everybody carries letters from the prosecutor's office with them. There is money for weapons, but no lawsuit.
    1. Blackgrifon
      Blackgrifon 17 October 2020 21: 42 New
      -1
      And this is generally very fun - more than once I have met people who, for the sake of a penny, will hang themselves even to their detriment.
  • Azis
    Azis 17 October 2020 18: 53 New
    -7
    Well, they're doing the right thing. Can't you finish reading? "Prohibition or restriction on movement to the transport security zone." You will also be indignant that at the airport you have to hand over your weapons and you are not allowed on the plane with a pistol. Nefig in a public place with a large number of people and in transport to carry weapons. Go on foot. At present, everything can be expected from a police officer. You never know "shizov", real or future, carry weapons on a legal basis. A recent case in the Novgorod region as an example.
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 17 October 2020 19: 18 New
      +5
      Quote: Azis
      At present, everything can be expected from a police officer.

      then the metro police must be disarmed - you never know what you can expect from them.
      From the latter: the head of the Kazan police department "Zarechensky" Taras Doroshkevich shoots at his subordinates from a pneumatic gun.
      1. Terenin
        Terenin 17 October 2020 20: 05 New
        +7
        Quote: Silvestr
        then the metro police must be disarmed - you never know what you can expect from them.

        Yes, and operas and special services ... Even with the latter pursuing the offender (criminal). He committed an offense in front of armed policemen and calmly ... in the subway laughing
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 18 October 2020 08: 44 New
          -1
          Quote: Terenin
          Yes, and operas and special services ...

          If
          Quote: Azis
          Today everything can be expected from a police officer
  • Alien From
    Alien From 17 October 2020 18: 53 New
    +9
    The insanity of local authorities is off the charts ...
    1. Terenin
      Terenin 17 October 2020 19: 45 New
      +5
      Quote: Alien From
      The insanity of local authorities is off the charts ...

      Violators to account! negative
  • Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 17 October 2020 19: 22 New
    0
    Perhaps this is true, but for narrow layers of the public.
    Transportation of weapons, and even to St. Petersburg ...
    Local staff stripped me down to my underpants. When I was a UA citizen. And before the train left for Crimea, there was nothing left.
    Fortunately, all the money was not found.
    We, too, people do not miss! We are hiding in black holes! ..
    Fortunately, you can now show your red-skinned passport!
  • garri-lin
    garri-lin 17 October 2020 19: 54 New
    0
    The question is what counts as a weapon. Okay, somehow limit the full-fledged firearms. So that in the crowd some nutcase does not snatch from the owner and does not start shooting. But to get to the bottom of gas cans is already absurd. It feels like half of the laws are written by fools who are extremely far from the life and realities of everyday life of ordinary people.
    1. bk0010
      bk0010 17 October 2020 23: 38 New
      +2
      Quote: garri-lin
      So that in the crowd some nutcase would not snatch from the owner and start shooting.
      Weapons are transported not ready to fire. He will have to collect and charge it.
      1. Motorist
        Motorist 18 October 2020 21: 01 New
        0
        Quote: bk0010
        He will have to collect and charge it.

        From Veterans Avenue to Komsomolskaya go 45 minutes. Will not have time?
        1. bk0010
          bk0010 18 October 2020 21: 39 New
          +1
          He won't even have 2 minutes: the owner of the weapon will inflict at least grievous bodily harm on him. And cartridges too: they do not fit into a gun case, the nutcase will still have to grab a bag of cartridges.
          1. Motorist
            Motorist 18 October 2020 21: 47 New
            0
            Anything can be ... Maybe the owner of the weapon may be a nutcase. Yes, I am not against transportation, this is all the State Unitary Enterprise "Petersburg Metro" ... request
            1. bk0010
              bk0010 18 October 2020 23: 58 New
              +1
              Quote: Motorist
              Maybe the owner of the weapon is crazy
              Actually, buyers of weapons are checked by a psychiatrist and a narcologist, so they have a "certificate." Although he can move with a cuckoo after the purchase, but the fact that he sleeps, and goes to the subway, and grabbing a gun will start a little chance.
              1. Motorist
                Motorist 19 October 2020 00: 06 New
                -1
                Quote: bk0010
                gun buyers are checked by a psychiatrist and a narcologist

                Roslyakov with their pump-action shotgun went to the technical school. Why do we oppose the ban on carrying weapons on the subway ?!
                1. bk0010
                  bk0010 19 October 2020 08: 00 New
                  +2
                  If he came with a stranger, would it be easier? This is a criminal, they always have weapons and vehicles to carry him. And problems are created for normal people, and these problems will in no way interfere with criminals.
  • bubalik
    bubalik 17 October 2020 20: 01 New
    +8
    Watchman's syndrome

    ,,, but much more, was amazed by the behavior of the conductor. She, as soon as she saw the cat climbing into the tram, with anger, from which she even shook, shouted:
    - Cats are not allowed! Cats are not allowed! Scatter! Get off, otherwise I'll call the police! (C) winked
    1. MP
      17 October 2020 21: 07 New
      +2
      Exactly! Totally agree with you wassat good
    2. Motorist
      Motorist 18 October 2020 21: 08 New
      +2
      Quote: bubalik
      Cats are not allowed! Scatter!

      However, "At the first shout of the conductor, the cat jumped off the step and sat down on the bench, rubbing his mustache with a dime" (approx. Quote). That is, he obeyed unquestioningly. There were times, now "democracy" and "human rights" all around ...
  • Saxahorse
    Saxahorse 17 October 2020 20: 05 New
    -1
    As for the violation of the mask regime, they have eaten them correctly. laughing

    If you do not want to fulfill the simplest requirements, what other weapon do you want !?

    Although the Arizona rules on open carrying of weapons also have their own charm. At least drag the gun on yourself, the main thing is that everyone can see that you have it! Some people ask why all Americans are so polite in Texas and Arizona, they smile at you from afar. But just in case! wassat
  • Lara Croft
    Lara Croft 17 October 2020 20: 19 New
    +4
    No I will delve into legal intricacies, but the underground does not have such rights. Nevertheless, this fact was officially enshrined in the rules for using the St. Petersburg metro.
    In vain.
    The rules for recording, carrying, transporting, transporting and destroying weapons are determined by the Government of the Russian Federation.

    http://www.consultant.ru/document/cons_doc_LAW_12679/8bab686bf0ccffbc76a027f2d6ed169e45e907a3/
    paragraph 1 of Article 25 of the Federal Law "On Weapons" of 13.12.1996 N150-FZ

    Citizens of the Russian Federation transport weapons across the territory of the Russian Federation in an amount of no more than 5 units and cartridges of no more than 1000 pieces. on the basis of permits of the Federal Service of the National Guard Troops of the Russian Federation or its territorial bodies for storage, storage and carrying, storage and use, for the import into the Russian Federation of the corresponding types, types and models of weapons or licenses for their acquisition, collection or exhibiting of weapons.
    The transportation of weapons and ammunition in quantities exceeding these standards is carried out by citizens of the Russian Federation in the manner prescribed for legal entities.
    Transportation of weapons belonging to citizens is carried out in covers, holsters or special cases, as well as in special packaging of the weapons manufacturer.
    During transportation, the weapon must be in a discharged state separately from the cartridges.

    http://www.consultant.ru/document/cons_doc_LAW_19504/560eecedfbf2c42fd907f741ace48148940b1c3d/
    point 77 of the Decree of the Government of the Russian Federation of 21.07.1998 N 814 (as amended by 29.03.2019) "On measures to regulate the circulation of civilian and service weapons and their ammunition in the territory of the Russian Federation" (together with the "Rules for the turnover of civilian and official weapon and ammunition on it the territory of the Russian Federation "," the Regulation on the maintenance and publication of the State cadastre of civil and service weapons and their ammunition ")

    at) transport weapons in their original packaging or in a special container, which must be sealed or sealed.

    there ...
    c) clause 69 of the Decree of the Government of the Russian Federation of July 21.07.1998, 814 N 29.03.2019 (as amended on March XNUMX, XNUMX) "On measures to regulate the circulation of civilian and service weapons and cartridges for them in the territory of the Russian Federation" (together with the "Rules turnover of civilian and service weapons and cartridges for them on the territory of the Russian Federation "," Regulations on the maintenance and publication of the State cadastre of civil and service weapons and cartridges for them ")

    This is how I carried my carbine home in the subway ... though in Moscow ...

    The management of the St. Petersburg metro go beyond their powers, because restrict the rights of citizens provided for by federal legislation ... however, it is not to blame for this, the subject of the Russian Federation is to blame - the Government of St. Petersburg (which approves such Rules) ...
    You can safely apply to the Constitutional Court of the Russian Federation ...
    Several people have raised this issue on social media. A crowdfunding campaign was launched to raise funds to file a claim. At the moment, a lawyer has already been identified who will handle this case. People intend to resolve this issue and, if necessary, reach the Supreme Court.

    It seems that this is not the subject of legal proceedings in a court of general jurisdiction and the lawyer knows this ...

    However, I think the topic of this article has nothing to do with the topic of this site ...
    1. Clear
      Clear 17 October 2020 20: 42 New
      +8
      Quote: Lara Croft
      I will not delve into legal subtleties,

      Oh, Lara, thanks, well, much deeper, they chewed everything up to subtleties, even
      Quote: Lara Croft
      This is how I carried my carbine home in the subway ... though in Moscow ...
      despite the fact that
      Quote: Lara Croft
      I think the topic of this article has nothing to do with the topic of this site ...
    2. MP
      17 October 2020 21: 10 New
      +6
      You know, here some people write about their Penza childhood and nothing, everyone reads with pleasure :) It's not all about Karabakh to write.
      1. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft 17 October 2020 21: 26 New
        0
        Quote: Mpx
        You know, here some people write about their Penza childhood and nothing, everyone reads with pleasure :) It's not all about Karabakh to write.

        Sorry ...
        1. Clear
          Clear 18 October 2020 11: 54 New
          +6
          Quote: Lara Croft
          Quote: Mpx
          You know, here some people write about their Penza childhood and nothing, everyone reads with pleasure :) It's not all about Karabakh to write.

          Sorry ...

          For what? Penza is a wonderful city and good people, and childhood is a wonderful time good
          1. Lara Croft
            Lara Croft 18 October 2020 12: 11 New
            -1
            Quote: Clear
            Quote: Lara Croft
            Quote: Mpx
            You know, here some people write about their Penza childhood and nothing, everyone reads with pleasure :) It's not all about Karabakh to write.

            Sorry ...

            For what? Penza is a wonderful city and good people, and childhood is a wonderful time good

            Offended the author ...
            1. Clear
              Clear 18 October 2020 14: 05 New
              +6
              Quote: Lara Croft
              Quote: Clear
              Quote: Lara Croft
              Quote: Mpx
              You know, here some people write about their Penza childhood and nothing, everyone reads with pleasure :) It's not all about Karabakh to write.

              Sorry ...

              For what? Penza is a wonderful city and good people, and childhood is a wonderful time good

              Offended the author ...

              And, invite the author to visit the Lermontovo estate in the Penza region, the birthplace of V.G. Belinsky. and Kuprin A.I. in Narovchat.
              1. Lara Croft
                Lara Croft 18 October 2020 14: 25 New
                -1
                Quote: Clear
                Quote: Lara Croft
                Quote: Clear
                Quote: Lara Croft
                Quote: Mpx
                You know, here some people write about their Penza childhood and nothing, everyone reads with pleasure :) It's not all about Karabakh to write.

                Sorry ...

                For what? Penza is a wonderful city and good people, and childhood is a wonderful time good

                Offended the author ...

                And, invite the author to visit the Lermontovo estate in the Penza region, the birthplace of V.G. Belinsky. and Kuprin A.I. in Narovchat.

                Tarkhany? I was there....
                1. Clear
                  Clear 18 October 2020 15: 47 New
                  +8
                  Quote: Lara Croft
                  Quote: Clear
                  Quote: Lara Croft
                  Quote: Clear
                  Quote: Lara Croft
                  Quote: Mpx
                  You know, here some people write about their Penza childhood and nothing, everyone reads with pleasure :) It's not all about Karabakh to write.

                  Sorry ...

                  For what? Penza is a wonderful city and good people, and childhood is a wonderful time good

                  Offended the author ...

                  And, invite the author to visit the Lermontovo estate in the Penza region, the birthplace of V.G. Belinsky. and Kuprin A.I. in Narovchat.

                  Tarkhany? I was there....

                  And their relatives too yes
                  1. MP
                    19 October 2020 21: 43 New
                    +1
                    I was also in Tarkhany. Wonderful place.
    3. Blackgrifon
      Blackgrifon 17 October 2020 21: 46 New
      0
      Quote: Lara Croft
      the subject of legal proceedings in a court of general jurisdiction and the lawyer knows it ...

      Just from the legal point of view. the goal is apparently the following: to appeal against the decision of the organization's management (fortunately, the legislation allows this to be done) and to declare it illegal. But the reasoning about moral harm is ... ahem ... no more than 5000 rubles will be awarded (and even then, if moral torment is proved).
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    5. Andrey Kupriyanov
      Andrey Kupriyanov 18 October 2020 00: 02 New
      +3
      The order of the Ministry of Transport permits everything.
      It seems to me that the Deputy Head of the Metro - the head of the Transport Security Division Osipov, to put it mildly, does not correspond to his position.
  • Clear
    Clear 17 October 2020 20: 49 New
    +4
    Quote: Megatron
    It’s at our expense that they eat and drink.

    Can you see their menu? belay
  • Normal ok
    Normal ok 17 October 2020 21: 20 New
    +1
    The door to the citizen's dwelling,
    does not need a "sizam" ...
  • Observer2014
    Observer2014 17 October 2020 21: 20 New
    -2
    Come to us in Sochi. Plyz. See what public transport is negative If you can call it that. "Clear" that this is a dark matter. I personally invite you. At the same time, the sea is nearby repeat
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 18 October 2020 19: 00 New
      -1
      Quote: Observer2014
      Come to us in Sochi. Plyz. See what public transport is negative If you can call it that. "Clear" that this is a dark matter. I personally invite you. At the same time, the sea is nearby repeat

      "she" is so "clear" so that it would be better "dark" .. oha.
    2. Okolotochny
      Okolotochny 19 October 2020 09: 08 New
      0
      to us in Sochi.

      Is it about Donbass to us? Went to the South, and now you criticize?
  • Petrograd
    Petrograd 17 October 2020 22: 04 New
    +4
    The small town princelings showed up for me in the city where I live. Volkhov flax is also like this, Mr. Novikov, who said all my forest, you can pick up mushrooms and berries, but you can take them to his office because it’s legal as a member of our radiant party where there is a coat of arms white bear and something about unity and russia said vile times have come under satanic rule we live
  • agoran
    agoran 17 October 2020 22: 48 New
    +3
    Some kind of nonsense.
    I am going to the stand to shoot, naturally, I will not shoot from a "foreign" barrel.
    Brad.
    1. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 18 October 2020 14: 28 New
      -3
      Quote: agoran
      I am going to the stand to shoot, naturally, I will not shoot from a "foreign" barrel.

      What are you riding with, with a short-barreled (combat or sports) belay ? So with them you, by definition, cannot go anywhere ... fellow
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  • Lynx2000
    Lynx2000 18 October 2020 00: 38 New
    0
    recourse
    What is the essence of the dispute?
    The RF Law "On Weapons" is federal, binding in all constituent entities of the RF, is not a reference, and does not give the right to regional legislatures to regulate some of its provisions.
    For example, the Law of the Russian Federation "On Silence" delegates the regions to determine their own time interval.
    The law itself is enforced by the execution of orders, instructions and rules.
    Subject to the rules for transporting legal weapons, no one has the right to interfere with their transportation.
    The rules for the carriage of passengers and goods are approved by the Ministry of Transport, their task is to ensure the safety of passengers, the safety of goods, the safety of the vehicle and to avoid damage to third parties.
    Regarding the threat of committing a crime with the use of registered weapons, such cases are far from the first in statistics.
    Regarding gas canisters and stun guns, in this case, all aerosol cans (in the capable hands of even a child is a means of defense / attack), axes, household knives (sets), impact screwdrivers, and so on should be prohibited from transportation ...
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  • Bear040
    Bear040 18 October 2020 12: 35 New
    0
    Here the president should intervene, if he is in the Russian Federation at all and works, and not only to be listed and not only to dismiss the overly zealous officials appointed by him, including the mayor of St. and put them on trial for abuse of office !!! Well, if we do not have a president in the Russian Federation, then voters should take this into account in the upcoming presidential elections in the Russian Federation and vote for the person who will work as president, and not wipe his pants !!!
    1. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 18 October 2020 14: 32 New
      -4
      Quote: Bear040
      The president has to intervene here

      Those. do not your job, incl. violate the Constitution of the Russian Federation?
      if he is in the Russian Federation at all and works, and not only to be listed and not only to dismiss the overly zealous officials appointed by him, including the mayor of St. Petersburg and the governor of the Leningrad region, who are responsible for order and observance of law in the territory under their control, but also to bring them to justice for abuse of office !!! Well, if we do not have a president in the Russian Federation, then voters should take this into account in the upcoming presidential elections in the Russian Federation and vote for the person who will work as president, and not wipe his pants !!!

      FLOOD ....
      1. Bear040
        Bear040 24 October 2020 11: 16 New
        0
        Сегодня конституцию РФ нарушает назначенный президентом губернатор Ленобласти,а значит президент,назначивший его и оперативно не устранивший косяки своего никчемного назначенца становится соучастником творимого им беспредела. Если вы и в щах разбираетесь так же,как в конституции и правовом поле,то вы бесполезны.
        1. Lara Croft
          Lara Croft 24 October 2020 11: 51 New
          -1
          Quote: Bear040
          Если вы и в щах разбираетесь так же,как в конституции и правовом поле,то вы бесполезны.

          Для кого бесполезны для тебя что ли, да ради Бога, "велика честь"....
          Если не знаешь полномочия Президента РФ, то почитай Конституцию РФ (Гл.4), не умеешь читать, попроси взрослых...
          1. Shadow041
            Shadow041 25 October 2020 22: 52 New
            -1
            Слышь,взрослая,если президент назначает губернатора,а он его назначает,он должен нести ответственность за решения,которые назначенный им губернатор принимает от имени президента,а если не хочет нести ответственность за своих людей,то пусть и не навязывает их никому,это раз...Законы РФ не запрещают провозить оружие самообороны в общественном транспорте,включая метро. Питер часть РФ и любые законы и постановления,принимаемые на местах,если они противоречат законам РФ,не законны,от слова совсем,это два. Так что тут откровенный произвол и беззаконие,нарушение прав граждан...Президент у нас в РФ называет себя гарантом,вот пусть и ведет себя,как гарант порядка в стране,а не бардака отдельно взятой чушки-чиновника,это три...Если тебя что то не устраивает,твои проблемы...Законы РФ не запрещают людям ездить в метро с оружием самообороны и нечего нарушать законы РФ и не законным образом ущемлять права граждан...За это между прочим предусмотрена уголовная ответственность...Превышение служебных полномочий штука наказуемая..
            1. Lara Croft
              Lara Croft Yesterday, 02: 14 New
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              Quote: Shadow041
              Законы РФ не запрещают людям ездить в метро с оружием самообороны и нечего нарушать законы РФ .

              В Законах есть еще отсылочные нормы права, которые принимаются субъектами РФ, если считаете, что Ваши права нарушены идите в суд общей юрисдикции или Конституционный суд РФ, в зависимости от того, в чем нарушение...
              Наймите лоера и будет вам счастье, за бабла он защитит ваши права (или нет), а тут на ВО, можешь писать что угодно....
  • DMB84
    DMB84 18 October 2020 15: 13 New
    +2
    I'll add my own 5 kopecks. According to the rules for the transportation of weapons (this is for those who are not hunters and invented anything here), the weapon is reloaded either in a disassembled state (for example, a 12-gauge vertical bar consists of three parts), or the bolt is pulled out and transported separately from the barrel. The store is also transported - UNLOADED. My reluctant friends, you probably imagine the transportation of weapons in something like the way sailors cut through the revolution - such a dude walks along the subway, belted with machine-gun belts, behind a mosink with a bayonet attached ... Well, for completeness, a couple of grenades in his belt ... ...
    And in order to arrange shots in the subway from weapons that are transported in accordance with the rules on weapons, you need to remove their parts from the case, assemble, equip the store ........ I think that such actions will seem somewhat suspicious to neighboring citizens ... Citizens will most likely have time to point out to their neighbors that such manipulations in a subway car are unacceptable. But if a dude really tried to break through with a berdan loaded and without a cover ..... My condolences to the failed killer.
    Shl ............ I go to the stand regularly on the metro with Izh-27. I took MTs20-01 a couple of times. Accordingly, in a case and disassembled. Cartridges in a backpack. There were no complaints for the entire time. Several times they politely asked for documents. Politely presented. Politely apologized and let it go. That's it .... I don't like traffic jams by car.
    1. Shopping Mall
      Shopping Mall 19 October 2020 17: 28 New
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      Quote: DMB84
      I'll add my own 5 kopecks. According to the rules for the transportation of weapons (this is for those who are not hunters and invented anything here), the weapon is reloaded either in a disassembled state (for example, a 12-gauge vertical bar consists of three parts), or the bolt is pulled out and transported separately from the barrel. The store is also transported - UNLOADED. My reluctant friends, you probably imagine the transportation of weapons in something like the way sailors cut through the revolution - such a dude walks along the subway, belted with machine-gun belts, behind a mosink with a bayonet attached ... Well, for completeness, a couple of grenades in his belt ... ...
      And in order to arrange shots in the subway from weapons that are transported in accordance with the rules on weapons, you need to remove their parts from the case, assemble, equip the store ........ I think that such actions will seem somewhat suspicious to neighboring citizens ... Citizens will most likely have time to point out to their neighbors that such manipulations in a subway car are unacceptable. But if a dude really tried to break through with a berdan loaded and without a cover ..... My condolences to the failed killer.
      Shl ............ I go to the stand regularly on the metro with Izh-27. I took MTs20-01 a couple of times. Accordingly, in a case and disassembled. Cartridges in a backpack. There were no complaints for the entire time. Several times they politely asked for documents. Politely presented. Politely apologized and let it go. That's it .... I don't like traffic jams by car.


      Will you refer to these rules in detail, with a link, or at least with an indication of the document and paragraph of the rules? There is no requirement in the law to transport disassembled weapons. Not charged - yes.

      That way, you agree that you need to do two or three trips - the barrel on one trip, the bolt on the other, and then for the third trip for cartridges.
      1. Lynx2000
        Lynx2000 19 October 2020 21: 58 New
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        Decree of the Government of the Russian Federation of July 21.07.1998, 814 N 29.03.2019 (as amended on March XNUMX, XNUMX) "On measures to regulate the circulation of civilian and service weapons and cartridges for them in the territory of the Russian Federation" (together with the "Rules for the circulation of civil and service ...

        Section:
        XIII. Transportation and transportation of weapons and ammunition

        77. Citizens of the Russian Federation transport weapons through the territory of the Russian Federation in an amount of no more than 5 units and cartridges of no more than 1000 units on the basis of permits from the Federal Service of the National Guard of the Russian Federation or its territorial bodies for storage, storage and carrying, storage and use, for import into the Russian Federation of the relevant types, types and models of weapons or licenses for their acquisition, collection or exhibiting of weapons.
        The transportation of weapons and ammunition in quantities exceeding these standards is carried out by citizens of the Russian Federation in the manner prescribed for legal entities.
        Transportation of weapons belonging to citizens is carried out in covers, holsters or special cases, as well as in special packaging of the weapons manufacturer.
        During transportation, the weapon must be in a discharged state separately from the cartridges.
  • Narak-zempo
    Narak-zempo 18 October 2020 18: 33 New
    +1
    The citizen thinks loosely. And in general, when someone starts to contradict the representative of the authorities and pump up the rights, while emphasizing knowledge of the laws, then this is not quite our person. A real God-fearing and loving Russian boss does not argue. They told all the boys to put on muzzles - he puts on and is happy.

    “Laws are written for subordinates, not for bosses, and you have no right to refer to them in explanations with me or justify them by them”. (A.H. Benckendorf).

    “If you feel that the law sets you an obstacle, then take it off the table and put it under you. And then all this, having become invisible, will make you much easier in action. " (ME Saltykov-Shchedrin, "The History of a City").
  • APASUS
    APASUS 18 October 2020 20: 59 New
    +1
    Rather, the matter is not in the law, but in the interpretation for ordinary citizens. Officials do not travel by metro, otherwise the transport police would have to apologize.
    Here is the rule of law in our country, in a single metro, even the laws do not work, a disgrace
  • Kelwin
    Kelwin 19 October 2020 07: 26 New
    +1
    Nda, an interesting movie. One thing is unclear, why do citizens want a piece of paper about not admitting from some incomprehensible navel, but do not want the police to fulfill their direct duties? It's all somehow incomprehensible. Well, they won't let me in, well, the outfit arrived, checked all the documents, order. Well, gentlemen policemen, would you be so kind as to stop the offense on the part of the metro, draw up a protocol, ensure the rights of a citizen ... Maybe I misunderstood something with lack of sleep ... O_O)
    1. Vladimir1155
      Vladimir1155 19 October 2020 23: 17 New
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      Quote: KelWin
      and do not want the police to fulfill their direct duties?

      the policemen on the subway have their own pocket, they will not go against their subway bosses
      1. Kelwin
        Kelwin 20 October 2020 03: 55 New
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        Quote: vladimir1155
        the policemen on the subway have their own pocket, they will not go against their subway bosses

        This is understandable, there are clever things. But under certain conditions you still have to act. Well, at least, you will have to draw up a protocol on the fact of the citizen's appeal. And the citizen / did not indicate such a desire. This is not clear.
  • Roman070280
    Roman070280 19 October 2020 10: 58 New
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    The victims of such actions appealed to the Prosecutor General's Office, Rosgvardia, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Ministry of Transport and everywhere received an answer that the transportation of weapons by citizens in the metro was not prohibited. But the actual situation suggests otherwise. People are directly confronted with such arbitrariness.


    Well, so with the notorious coronavirus and masks, the same garbage after all ..
    In violation of the Constitution and the law on the protection of consumer rights, they restrict movement, and refuse to sell goods .. referring as orders of some mayors ..
  • Vladimir1155
    Vladimir1155 19 October 2020 23: 14 New
    +4
    it is necessary to remove from the post of the head of the metro of st.Petersburg
  • Oleg Kievlyanin
    Oleg Kievlyanin 23 October 2020 19: 22 New
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    Well, debelism and feudal law are blooming with us, this is in St. Petersburg and in the outback it is getting worse and worse
  • Toha from KZ
    Toha from KZ 24 October 2020 08: 31 New
    +1
    Syndrome of princelings, got its fiefdom, and blew away the roof. And the laws of the king are in my ear