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"The West could recognize the independence of Nagorno-Karabakh as it did Kosovo" - National Interest

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"The West could recognize the independence of Nagorno-Karabakh as it did Kosovo" - National Interest

The armed conflict between Azerbaijan and Armenia over the unrecognized Nagorno-Karabakh has already claimed many lives. To stop the conflict, the United States does not need to rely on the OSCE or the Minsk Group, but needs to recognize the independence of Karabakh, following the example of Kosovo. This is the conclusion reached by Michael Rubin, the author of an article published in the American edition of The National Interest.


As Rubin writes, the US strategy is confused, but even on the day the military conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh began, the US State Department issued a statement in which it warned third parties against participating in the conflict. However, this was neglected by Azerbaijan, which gratefully received Turkey's help.

According to the author, Nagorno-Karabakh was historically inhabited by Armenians, but in 1923 Joseph Stalin transferred this region to Azerbaijan. After the collapse of the Soviet Union and independence by Armenia and Azerbaijan, the United States decided to continue Stalin's strategy and support Baku in the confrontation between the countries.

However, in 1992, the US Congress passed the Freedom Support Act, Section 907, which prohibited the United States from helping Azerbaijan. This ban lasted until 2001 and was lifted, despite the fact that a dictatorship ruled in Azerbaijan. The point is that Baku was demonstratively opposing Iran, supporting Israel, which was in the hands of the United States. There was also a dictatorship in Armenia, but it was pro-Russian.

Now everything has changed, in 2018 Armenia overthrew the dictatorship and turned to democracy. There are no problems with Yerevan's orientation towards Russia, since the United States does not have the task of developing pro-Western views in Armenia, Rubin writes.

But in Azerbaijan the dictatorship has only strengthened. Aliyev resolved the outbreak of internal conflicts by using ethnic conflicts and foreign aggression.

The White House may reintroduce Section 907 and ban aid to Azerbaijan. However, this will not be enough, therefore, without relying on the OSCE and the Minsk Group, the US State Department needs to implement the policy it is pursuing in Kosovo.

Like the Republic of Artsakh, Kosovo has its own история... Dictators forced Kosovo to enter into unprofitable alliances, where it faced aggression and repression, the same happened with Artsakh. The West turned against the Serbian dictatorship and history of ethnic cleansing, and in 2008 Kosovo became the youngest member of Europe

- Rubin writes.

The author notes that the USA and the West could recognize Artsakh, thus guaranteeing it the fate of an independent state and security. Artsakh has a rich history, it is more worthy of independence than many modern countries. In addition, by recognizing the independence of Artsakh, the United States will send a signal to Turkey, showing that interference in the affairs of other countries can have negative consequences.
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  1. Alex777
    Alex777 15 October 2020 16: 31
    +7
    The United States does not need to rely on the OSCE or the Minsk Group, but needs to recognize the independence of Karabakh, following the example of Kosovo.

    Aha! And the next day, recognize the independence of Crimea from Ukraine and its right to return to its "home harbor"! laughing
    The State Department is wriggling to prove to everyone that Kosovo is an exception to the rule. And then "our man in America" ​​comes out and writes this. lol
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 15 October 2020 16: 55
      -3
      Quote: Alex777
      And then "our man in America" ​​comes out and writes this.

      "He is ours or not ours," but this man is right. If the US recognizes Karabakh, then the war there will end.
      1. Alex777
        Alex777 15 October 2020 17: 46
        10
        Nothing will change. Nobody recognizes.
        For the United States, partnership with Turkey is more important than Armenia, for that matter.
        There is no easy solution to this dashing plot.
        1. hrych
          hrych 15 October 2020 18: 06
          +3
          Quote: Alex777
          And for the States, partnership with Turkey is more important than Armenia

          Is one little Gulen more important than partnership with Turkey? The United States is the subject of politics, and Turkey is the subject of politics.
          1. Alex777
            Alex777 15 October 2020 18: 23
            0
            And Gulen is a pedal that the States can push when they need it.
            For example, when they decided to build a coup. The Sultan's miracle saved.
            All advances in Kazakhstan and other Turkic republics - the construction of schools, mosques, etc., were done by the structures of Gulen.
            The Sultan would like to take these levers for himself, but so far he is not very successful.
            1. hrych
              hrych 15 October 2020 18: 28
              +2
              Quote: Alex777
              The Sultan's miracle saved

              It
              Miracle
              sitting in the Kremlin wassat
              1. Alex777
                Alex777 15 October 2020 18: 31
                +1
                I know. But the point is that he did not save himself.
                And she perfectly understands that next time they may not call.
                Moreover, this chance remains, no matter how he cleans the army.
                While there are US bases on the territory, and Gulen is alive in the States.
        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 15 October 2020 19: 17
          +1
          Quote: Alex777
          For the United States, partnership with Turkey is more important than Armenia, for that matter.

          I don’t agree that the strengthening of Turkey at the expense of Azerbaijan is not beneficial for the United States, but the weakening at the expense of Armenia is beneficial.
          1. Alex777
            Alex777 15 October 2020 20: 37
            0
            So far, no one can get in between Azerbaijan and Turkey. They have a common goal and they are persistently pursuing it. Until a military defeat comes or looms. When something changes, then it will be seen.
            Therefore, neither the States, nor Russia to them climb and do the right thing, IMHO.
            Weakening at the expense of someone is the famous Anglo-Saxon "Great Game". Although the author of the term was cut off in the zindan. They also have misfires.
      2. Nikanet
        Nikanet 15 October 2020 18: 19
        -3
        And what is the fake "genocide" not recognized by the Americans?
        1. RUSS
          RUSS 15 October 2020 19: 46
          0
          Quote: Nikanet
          And what is the fake "genocide" not recognized by the Americans?

          What genocide are you talking about?
      3. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 15 October 2020 21: 23
        +2
        Quote: tihonmarine
        If the US recognizes Karabakh, then the war there will end.

        Yesterday Aliyev was spitting saliva that "not even an hour will pass" as Azerbaijan will break off diplomatic relations with ANY country that recognizes Karabakh.
        And in what direction should Erdogan turn his nose? To support Friend-Aliyev until the "last sea" or should he spit on Azerbaijan and not break the rest of relations with the US and NATO?
        If Aliyev breaks diplomatic relations, he will substitute his friend Erdogan. Will not tear - promised ... They will devour theirs. Problem ... recourse

        And the Americans will offer a simple solution - they will not recognize a damn thing. But not for free - they will demand some nishtyaks.
    2. Insurgent
      Insurgent 15 October 2020 16: 58
      +6
      "The West could recognize the independence of Nagorno-Karabakh as it did Kosovo" - National Interest

      Will the West pay attention to this event and conduct an investigation, with all the ensuing consequences?

      A video of the capture by Azerbaijani special forces of two Armenian militias is actively spreading on the network, which was actively relayed by Azerbaijani channels in the first half of the day.
      After a video appeared with how it all ended, they began to hastily remove it from Azerbaijani channels, as compromising the Azerbaijani side.

      Video of the capture of militias by Azerbaijani special forces in the Hadrut area.



      Video of the execution on Twitter - https://twitter.com/Ciyager_A/status/1316720021939400704







      Georeferencing of the place of capture and execution.

      1. Moskovit
        Moskovit 15 October 2020 17: 24
        +2
        The Armenians will have the widest autonomy within Azerbaijan. Aliyev spoke. Here are the first steps
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 15 October 2020 17: 29
          +2
          Quote: Moskovit
          Here are the first steps

          It war crime of the regular army of Azerbaijan (after all, it follows from Aliyev's numerous statements that there are no militants or Turks there) and it should be investigated in the most thorough way.
          1. hrych
            hrych 15 October 2020 18: 13
            +1
            Quote: Insurgent
            This is a war crime of the regular army of Azerbaijan

            I hope the jackals who made fun of the old man before he died have already been killed. They are on the front line and there they are shot like partridges. I read that the video was published by Armenians from the phone of a depressed asker.
          2. Nasdaq
            Nasdaq 15 October 2020 18: 58
            +2
            It's a pity, of course, but everyone sees how they beat Stepenakert, civilians are dying, but none of the Western politicians have said that these are war crimes.
          3. venik
            venik 15 October 2020 19: 16
            +1
            Quote: Insurgent
            This is a war crime of the regular army of Azerbaijan (after all, from Aliyev's numerous statements it follows that there are no militants and Turks there) and it must be investigated in the most thorough way.

            =======
            Right! Only here WHO it will investigate? Azerbaijani authorities? Do they need it? A "civilized" "democratic" world community? This is even less: these only have continuous "passions for bulk" and "groaning over squeaks" on their minds, with hand-wringing and the announcement of the next "sanctions" .......
        2. RUSS
          RUSS 15 October 2020 20: 06
          +1
          Quote: Moskovit
          The Armenians will have the widest autonomy within Azerbaijan. Aliyev spoke. Here are the first steps

          So Aliyev was not allowed to implement this plan, now the Armenians in Karabakh are not at all considering the option of being a part of Azerbaijan
          1. Moskovit
            Moskovit 15 October 2020 21: 57
            +1
            From this video it is clear how the autonomy within Azerbaijan would end for Armenians. Which, by the way, is silent about his losses.
      2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 15 October 2020 20: 16
        -7
        Quote: Insurgent
        Will the West pay attention to this event and conduct an investigation, with all the ensuing consequences?

        that is, to investigate every fake?
      3. SSR
        SSR 15 October 2020 20: 25
        +1
        Quote: Insurgent
        Georeferencing of the place of capture and execution.

        When I wrote a week ago that they were taking prisoners and then not a word about them, this brings to mind exactly such events and that no conventions are observed, then one "comrade" from Azerbaijan began to assure that this was "nonsense and fiction", but unfortunately, these "fictions" are taking on concrete shape. It's disgusting that this happens in the once educated and cultured republics.
      4. iouris
        iouris 15 October 2020 21: 46
        +3
        By the way, how is the "national hero" of Azerbaijan fighting, who cut off the head of an Armenian officer in the hotel, whom Aliyev freed from a Hungarian prison and pardoned.
    3. RealPilot
      RealPilot 15 October 2020 18: 00
      0
      Let me remind you of the well-known liberal mantra:

      "You don't understand, this is different" wassat
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 15 October 2020 19: 41
        +1
        Quote: RealPilot
        Let me remind you of the well-known liberal mantra:

        "You don't understand, this is different" wassat

        This is not a liberal mantra, you ask Lavrov, he will tell you about Georgia and Ukraine, what is there too "This is different"
      2. Dikson
        Dikson 15 October 2020 22: 33
        -1
        I would like to ask a question .. Not funny, of course, this is all .. but - proud independent peoples are fighting among themselves speaking in Russian .. All your tattered independence and national pride rests on Russian language ... bloody clownery and endless monkey circus ..
    4. Warrior-80
      Warrior-80 15 October 2020 20: 04
      +1
      Well, in general, the author is right, the United States, if it intervened and measured Azerbaijan, recognized Karabakh, it would bring a lot of buns, give Turkey a sharp nose, finally turn Armenia to the west and really evoke the approval that was shaken in Europe by the peacemaker, it is certainly not beneficial for us , you have to decide for yourself
  2. Livonetc
    Livonetc 15 October 2020 16: 33
    0
    Azerbaijanis can finish badly.
    Indeed, a certain number of states recognize the NKR and Azerbaijan's sovereignty over Karabakh will begin to melt like glaciers in spring.
    1. Yves762
      Yves762 15 October 2020 16: 48
      +6
      Quote: Livonetc
      Indeed, a certain number of states recognize the NKR and Azerbaijan's sovereignty over Karabakh will begin to melt like glaciers in spring.

      what Yes.?.
      How much water has flowed under the bridge, and the sovereignty of South Ossetia is only held by the troops of the Russian Federation.
      Somehow it doesn't work that way, don't you think.?. request
      1. novel66
        novel66 15 October 2020 17: 04
        -3
        if Karabakh is neither Armenian nor Azeri, it is possible to supply troops, for example, Kazakh peacekeepers
        1. Alex777
          Alex777 15 October 2020 17: 13
          +2
          Nobody needs it:
          - not to the Armenians, who are sure that this is their land,
          - not to Azerbaijanis, who have 1 refugees (000/000 of the population of Armenia) and who are sure that this is their land,
          - not to the Kazakhs, who are sure that this is not their land.
          1. novel66
            novel66 15 October 2020 17: 19
            +2
            nor the Kazakhs, who are sure that this is not their land

            but who need something to go there cannot be allowed
            1. Alex777
              Alex777 15 October 2020 17: 42
              +3
              Letting in or not letting in can be decided by the one who at least has a gate.
              Russia has only indirect influence. There is no border with Armenia, and all its neighbors are against it. Even pro-Western Georgia will not give territory to fly over.
              Until they get the hell out of it, no one can stop them. So we sit still and wait. Along the way, we push Idlib with rhetoric - this is the Syrian land!
              It is not necessary to fight with Azerbaijan over Armenia under any circumstances.
              1. hrych
                hrych 15 October 2020 17: 58
                -1
                Quote: Alex777
                There is no border with Armenia, and all its neighbors are against it.

                But there is a border with Azerbaijan. If, as we understand, Armenia receives help from the aggression of this country, then it should be wassat If the Turks climb into Armenia, Azerbaijan has an ally, then it will be shocked for alliance.
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                2. Alex777
                  Alex777 15 October 2020 18: 27
                  +4
                  Should Azerbaijan shrink because of Soros Armenians?
                  You don't even need to write that. Not what to do. yes
                  1. hrych
                    hrych 15 October 2020 18: 37
                    -4
                    Better the Soros and the West in Armenia than the Turks will seize the Transcaucasia and reach the Caspian Sea. Given the presence of a NATO base in Armenia and the absence of ours, the situation will not change much, since they already have Georgia in Transcaucasia and closer to our borders. On the contrary, in order to prevent the exit of both the Turks and the West to the Caspian, we will have to annex Azerbaijan. And whoever doubts should remember how the Crimea, and in fact the Donbass with the Sea of ​​Azov, was taken from the West from under the nose and did not regret fraternal Ukraine.
                    1. Alex777
                      Alex777 15 October 2020 18: 43
                      +4
                      On the contrary, in order to prevent the exit of both the Turks and the West to the Caspian, we will have to annex Azerbaijan.

                      Azerbaijan is right in all respects.
                      This is their land. These are their 1 refugees.
                      The Armenians seized foreign land and drove out many people. Why is it convenient to forget about it now? Why did Aliyev turn to Turkey for help? Answer these questions for yourself. Occupant...
                      We will need Russian lads to defend our territory.
                      To get involved on the side of the Armenians in this matter - only a conscious wrecker can offer.
                      They offer: Khodorkovsky and company.
                      If you don't want World War III, don't do it. yes
                      1. hrych
                        hrych 15 October 2020 18: 49
                        0
                        Don't go overboard on TMV laughing Crimea is more important than all the Transcaucasia and nothing, they drove Cook and that's it. There, in the Caspian Sea, the factor of Iran and our agreements with him, so as not to let outsiders. Turkmenistan and Azerbaijan are surrounded (blocked) by Iran and the CSTO. If their neutral status changes (see Ukraine), territorial changes will follow.
                      2. Alex777
                        Alex777 15 October 2020 18: 53
                        +2
                        Crimea is more important than all Transcaucasia and nothing

                        We were not ready. And Trump was gone. Much has changed now.
                        Do you think we will fight the Turks without NATO? And the Turks will harness for Aliyev. Therefore, the troops were not withdrawn after the maneuvers.
                        Do not underestimate the desire of the Anglo-Saxons to weaken us by the hands of others.
                        If we (in a delirious dream) go from the Caspian Sea, Armenia will receive an invasion from Turkey 100%. The troops are already there. And our base won't help much.
                        There is one problem now. And it will be ten. I don't even want to discuss it anymore. This is nonsense.
                      3. hrych
                        hrych 15 October 2020 19: 03
                        +2
                        Without NATO, of course. When our plane was shot down, NATO disowned Turkey. Even after the elimination of the caste gnostically linked to the West, Turkey's presence in NATO is only formally. Here we can already say that Incirlik is occupied, there are five thousand Americans. As Erdogan will demand a conclusion, Miracle will not help.
                    2. Oquzyurd
                      Oquzyurd 15 October 2020 19: 06
                      -7
                      I thought Cheto had little sight of Baghdasar in the evening, it turns out he’s here. Ay ay ay, they started kicking on TV for overdoing it, and he moved here, with foam wants to occupy Azerbaijan. Pashik covenant, why do you spend time on Claudia?
                    3. hrych
                      hrych 15 October 2020 20: 22
                      +1
                      What are you talking about? wassat By the way, have you already won? Quickly to the front, liberate the ruins of your villages wassat Or is melon more expensive than the homeland?
  3. RUSS
    RUSS 15 October 2020 20: 08
    +1
    Quote: novel xnumx
    if Karabakh is neither Armenian nor Azerbaijani

    And in the Stalinist way to populate Karabakh for example with Jews))))
  • Insurgent
    Insurgent 15 October 2020 17: 21
    -3
    Quote: Yves762
    How much water has flowed under the bridge, and the sovereignty of South Ossetia is only held by the troops of the Russian Federation.
    Somehow it doesn't work that way, don't you think.?.

    Until the re-establishment of a single state, at least within the approximate borders of the USSR, and the recognition of Russia's power by the West, nothing will work.
  • 1976AG
    1976AG 15 October 2020 18: 20
    +1
    Quote: Yves762
    Quote: Livonetc
    Indeed, a certain number of states recognize the NKR and Azerbaijan's sovereignty over Karabakh will begin to melt like glaciers in spring.

    what Yes.?.
    How much water has flowed under the bridge, and the sovereignty of South Ossetia is only held by the troops of the Russian Federation.
    Somehow it doesn't work that way, don't you think.?. request

    This is because Russia was for South Ossetia. And here we remain neutral. Armenia stands for sovereignty, which looks towards the west, although it remains a member of the CSTO. In theory, the Americans can do this in order to finally tear Armenia away from Russia. But this is theory. As will in fact, fantasy is not enough to guess. But if Azerbaijan takes Karabakh ...
    1. Alex777
      Alex777 15 October 2020 19: 09
      +3
      But if Azerbaijan takes Karabakh ...

      Azerbaijan will take Karabakh.
      Pashinyan will be kicked out in Armenia.
      What will happen next - we'll see.
  • Warrior-80
    Warrior-80 15 October 2020 20: 11
    0
    Yes, I agree, that's just the point, Azerbaijan is unlikely to turn its back on the interests of Turkey, but Armenia may very well be, but is it not Pashinyan's plan where the United States like a rescue swan descends on their heads, then it’s as if our base would be shut down and sent home
  • Shuttle
    Shuttle 15 October 2020 16: 49
    +3
    According to the author
    - dictatorship in the USSR.
    - dictatorship in Armenia (at least until Pshikanyan)
    - dictatorship in Azerbaijan
    - Iran is apparently also a dictatorship.
    Dictatorship is everywhere, but it is completely unclear whose.
    Paradox!

    Although no, it is quite understandable - there is definitely a dictatorship in the USA. The dictatorship of capital, the largest financial capital. Presidents change like gloves, but US policy never.
    1. hrych
      hrych 15 October 2020 18: 22
      -2
      Quote: Shuttle
      - dictatorship in the USSR.
      - dictatorship in Armenia (at least until Pshikanyan)
      - dictatorship in Azerbaijan

      The dictatorship of the proletariat was declared in the USSR. In fact, Politburoshnaya. Aliyev is the hereditary prince. In general, it is so.
  • Comrade Kim
    Comrade Kim 15 October 2020 16: 52
    +2
    The West recognizes anything it wants to spoil and damage Russia.
    Recognition of Kosovo's Blood Regime?
    Naturally.
    Massacre of Serbs, destruction of Orthodox churches, human trafficking, drug trafficking.
    What else is Kosovo "famous" for.
    Yes, the United States would have recognized them even after the Kosovars devoured Serbian children live on CNN.
    So they need it.
    And the conflict Azr. and Arm. they only need to drag Russia into this bloody dump.

    Let them admit.
    And we recognize the independence of Alaska and the original Indian lands.
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 15 October 2020 20: 14
      0
      Quote: Comrade Kim
      Let them admit.
      And we recognize the independence of Alaska and the original Indian lands.

      Alaska does not require independence, everything is fine there, for example, the funds of the Permanent Fund of Alaska are formed primarily by transferring 25% of the income of oil companies. The largest amount of payment was $ 3 in 269. In recent years, from $ 2008 to $ 1000. And yet, there are more airports throughout Alaska than throughout Russia ...
      1. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 15 October 2020 21: 42
        +3
        Quote: RUSS
        Alaska does not demand independence

        Not certainly in that way.
        Alaska Independence Party leader Lynette Clark:
        - The people of Alaska are the masters of their lives and can determine their own future. Alaska has a unique distinctive culture, history, traditions. I think we'd better be a separate country.
        Although for me personally, that Alaska in figs did not shrink. It would be better if the Kremlin thought about their Chukotka.
      2. Shuttle
        Shuttle 16 October 2020 08: 13
        0
        Quote: RUSS
        ... And yet, there are more airports throughout Alaska than throughout Russia ...

        If we count such "airports" as Cold Bay, for example, as airports, then all of Russia is an airport. It is a fact!
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 15 October 2020 16: 53
    +1
    but in 1923 Joseph Stalin transferred this region to Azerbaijan.
    And where does J.V. Stalin have to do with it?
    1. neri73-r
      neri73-r 15 October 2020 17: 12
      0
      Quote: tihonmarine
      And where does J.V. Stalin have to do with it?

      Nothing to do with, but what an associative array !!!!!!! A bloody tyrant, the GULAG, a billion political prisoners, twenty billion in that GULAG, shooting children for a spikelet, etc., you know yourself ... wassat In short, guilty for everything that happened and is happening in the world.
      1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 15 October 2020 20: 07
        -1
        Quote: neri73-r
        In short, guilty for everything that happened and is happening in the world.

        why carry this pop nonsense? Stalin was the People's Commissar, all this difficult work with the untiing of national knots was in his charge.
    2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 15 October 2020 19: 55
      -1
      Quote: tihonmarine
      And where does J.V. Stalin have to do with it?

      Yes, the People's Commissar for Nationalities has definitely nothing to do with it.
      1. neri73-r
        neri73-r 15 October 2020 22: 15
        -2
        Specifically, please. And that was, well, so what? What is his fault? In that position he held for some time?
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 16 October 2020 08: 35
        0
        Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Yes, the People's Commissar for Nationalities has definitely nothing to do with it.

        Well, you probably don't know that Stalin was against the creation of the USSR in the form in which it was formed in December 1922. The opinions of V.I. Lenin and Trotsky were decisive.
        IN AND. Lenin, after getting acquainted with the materials presented to him, rejected the idea of ​​autonomization and spoke in favor of the formation of a union of republics. He considered the Soviet Socialist Federation the most acceptable form of government in a multinational country. The USSR was approved at the Congress of Soviets. And where does Stalin.
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    4. RUSS
      RUSS 15 October 2020 20: 16
      -1
      Quote: tihonmarine
      but in 1923 Joseph Stalin transferred this region to Azerbaijan.
      And where does J.V. Stalin have to do with it?

      Despite the fact that the Bolsheviks since 1920 have cut the borders so that we are still loosening it.
  • Cowbra
    Cowbra 15 October 2020 16: 53
    0
    Even Armenia did not recognize this independence winked
  • novel66
    novel66 15 October 2020 17: 01
    +1
    The White House may reintroduce Section 907 and ban aid to Azerbaijan.

    I wonder where the Turks will send them?
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 15 October 2020 17: 02
    +1
    The United States does not recognize anything, otherwise a massive “parade of sovereignties” will begin in the world! ”One incident from Kosovo Yankees almost backfired! In the same European Union, there are more people who want to gain independence than Trump's hair!
    1. Ulrih
      Ulrih 15 October 2020 17: 06
      -2
      For instance? Apart from Catalonia, no one else comes to mind.
      1. Thrifty
        Thrifty 15 October 2020 17: 19
        +2
        Ulrin - when the Britons are in the EU, a referendum on the independence of Scotland, read about the Basques, about Switzerland .... the whole European Union is truly a time bomb!
    2. FerrariStradale
      FerrariStradale 15 October 2020 17: 31
      -1
      There was genocide in Kosovo, don't forget. No parade of sovereignties will begin.
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 15 October 2020 19: 43
        0
        Quote: FerrariStradale
        There was genocide in Kosovo

        Who recognized him?
    3. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 15 October 2020 17: 51
      +1
      Quote: Thrifty
      The United States does not recognize anythingotherwise a massive "parade of sovereignties" will begin in the world! One incident from Kosovo Yankees almost backfired!
      Come on, come on. Which side? Kosovo is their target project, after which the mattresses have a rather weak air base there. If Karabakh is recognized, then the mattresses there too will stand for a long-term period, formally not conflicting with either Armenia or Azerbaijan since The ownership of this land is disputed by them, but in fact none of them belongs. Probably for this, all this massacre with shooting was implemented through this puppet of Pashinyan, in order to give the United States a reason to play a peacekeeper and gain a foothold near Iran and Russia.
  • Andrea
    Andrea 15 October 2020 17: 10
    +1
    You can input or output as much as you like ... repeat
    The bottom line is that the states are interested in this, because it is not for nothing that it has flared up around Russia, and Karabakh has not come out with a snout for independence by Western standards. Faith is not the same, and it will gravitate towards Russia.
    No one will recognize its independence, but they will not allow Azerbaijan to seize it either - this bogey will still come in handy.
  • FerrariStradale
    FerrariStradale 15 October 2020 17: 29
    -4
    Karabakh can be recognized and this goes to this, genocide will be proven - atrocities and lynching of the attacking side on ethnic grounds, you yourself know that Muslims love ... and shoot on camera .... well, you get the idea. The participation of terrorist groups on the side of the attackers will be proven.
    So, France and Armenia will be the first to recognize Karabakh. I think.
    1. Alena-Baku
      Alena-Baku 15 October 2020 17: 54
      -6
      Why are they not being removed? admins where are you looking?
    2. Alena-Baku
      Alena-Baku 15 October 2020 18: 03
      -6
      go to fight there is nothing to let drool here so that the place of you Russians would fight. So far, we see that ethnic Azerbaijanis from Iran go to Armenia for ding ding tourism and take pictures, you know what.
  • Rubina
    Rubina 15 October 2020 17: 35
    0
    It is not harmful for the author to google and find out that
    1. By the decision of the Plenum of the Transcaucasian Bureau of July 5, 1921 (and not 1923), it was decided to leave Karabakh as part of the AzSSSR, and transfer Zangezur, populated by the Azerbaijanis, to Armenia. Zangezur (in the Armenian version of Meghri) is the strip of present-day Armenia that separates the main Azerbaijan and Nakhichevan. This is how Nakhichevan became an excalav.
    2. Lenin died in 1924, the decision was made during his reign
    3. Stalin stubbornly resisted the transfer of Karabakh to Armenia, despite all Mikoyan's requests
    4. In 1948, 100 thousand Azerbaijanis were nevertheless expelled from Zangezur under the pretext of irrigation and development of the Milsko-Mugan steppe, for example, they built one of the 5 large cities of Shirvan (formerly Ali-Bayramli), where is now the second state district power station after Mingnchaur, which Armenians tried unsuccessfully to blow up
    5. American companies, one of the shareholders in the pipeline and gas pipeline, not to mention British Petroleum, will not allow this.
    So the Armenian lobby won't give a ride
    1. genisis
      genisis 15 October 2020 17: 54
      -3
      Some google, not google, even Yandex, but it does not add reason.
      Zangezur (in the Armenian version of Meghri)

      I come from Sisian. This is the most, that neither is Zangezur. He is Syunik. And Meghri is a city on the Armenian-Iranian border.
      If you behave yourself, I will explain what Zangezur means in Russian.
      1. MTN
        MTN 15 October 2020 18: 14
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        Quote: genisis
        He is Syunik.

        Can you show at least 1 map 100 years ago where Syunik is written?)))))))))) Or not even, can you just prove that there was a country of Armenia in the days of Lenin? Who was before him? Nikolai? Until the time of Peter, can you show me this Syunik? Do not engage in idle talk. Don't mislead people. You don't even have a bill of sale for Armenia, this is the Iravan Khanate of Azerbaijan, which was presented to you. Show document? I'm waiting for your facts. Syunik -))))))))))))))
        1. genisis
          genisis 15 October 2020 18: 29
          -2
          I can show you what you need to go for, but I think you yourself know this very well.
          1. MTN
            MTN 15 October 2020 21: 46
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            Quote: genisis
            I can show you what you need to go for, but I think you yourself know this very well.

            Typical Armenian response when there is no response. You have it in everything. In history, in dishes, surnames, music, land and so on ... ... it is good that it was recognized that the alphabet of "ancient" Armenia turned out to be identical to the Ethiopian one.
      2. MTN
        MTN 15 October 2020 18: 21
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        Quote: genisis
        If you behave yourself, I will explain what Zangezur means in Russian.


        In historical sources, as well as in the notes of various travelers, it is confirmed that Zangezur has been the place of residence of the Turks since ancient times. Most of the toponymic names of Turkic origin in Zangezur are also a clear confirmation of this.

        In the 240th century, most of the territory of the Zangezur mahal was part of the Karabakh khanate, and the other part was part of the Nakhchivan and Iravan khanates. And during tsarist Russia it was included in the Ganja (Elizavetpol) province. At the beginning of the 7th century, there were XNUMX Azerbaijani (Turkic) villages in the Zangezur mahal, and three times less than the Armenian ones. Magal consisted of XNUMX regions: Kafan, Gorus, Garakilia (Sisian), Meghri, Zangelan, Gubadli, Lachin.

        In 1918-1920. Zangezur, as the territory of the Azerbaijan Democratic Republic, together with Shusha, Javanshir, Jabrail districts, became part of the Karabakh governorate.

        On April 28, 1920, after the establishment of Soviet power in Azerbaijan, Zangezur became a separate administrative division (county) within Azerbaijan. In tsarist Russia, the Zangezur mahal was part of the Elizavetpol (Ganja) province.

        As a result of the massacres committed by the Armenian armed forces in 1905-1907 and 1914-1920, almost half a million Muslim Turks living there were killed in this mahal. In those years, 115 Muslim villages were wiped off the face of the earth in Zangezur ...

        The transfer of Zangezur to Armenia was carried out on the basis of a decision adopted on November 30, 1920 at a joint meeting of the Politburo and the Organizational Bureau of the Central Committee of the AKP (b).

        In 1933, the territory of the Armenian SSR was divided into districts, and Zangezur was renamed, the districts of Kafan, Gorus, Garakilis (Sisian) and Meghri were formed ...

        Finally, in 1988, the Azerbaijanis living in the primordially Turkic lands were expelled from their native lands not only from Zangezur, but also from the historical lands of Azerbaijan that now belong to modern Armenia - Goych, Daralayaz, Irevan and Vedi.

        After the last representatives of the Azerbaijanis, who were subjected to mass terror, were forced to flee Zangezur, the Armenians destroyed and destroyed hundreds of historical, material and cultural monuments related to the Turks ...

        The remaining part of Zangezur in Azerbaijan - Zangilan, Gubadli and Lachin regions were occupied by the Armenians in 1992-1993.

        In 1915, there were 382 Shiite and 9 Sunni mosques in Zangezur and Irevan provinces.

        In Zangezur there are hundreds of place names associated with the Oguz tribes of Bayandur, Kayy, Khalaji, Chepni. In particular, with the names of the Kajar, Baharly, Zengen, Zyulgeder, Padar, Choban clans belonging to the Kayy tribe.

        Historical, ethnographic, linguistic, toponymic studies by various authors confirm that there is not a single topomorphic of Armenian origin in Zangezur, with the exception of a few villages of the period after the 1828th century. The Armenians came to Zangezur after XNUMX.

  • Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 15 October 2020 17: 36
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    The author of the article, in my opinion, is Armenian, he outlined everything too beautifully, American journalists cannot do this.
    1. MTN
      MTN 15 October 2020 21: 55
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      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      The author of the article, in my opinion, is Armenian, he outlined everything too beautifully, American journalists cannot do this.

      Anecdote on the topic: An Armenian comes to a library in Moscow and asks the librarian, ara girl, give me a book to read about the History of Ancient Armenia .... To which the librarian replied. Having undressed fiction on the 2nd floor with the right) I am often convinced that jokes did not just appear. Especially about the Chukchi, Jews, Armenians, and not a few about Azerbaijanis. Once again I am convinced that the anecdotes, even if not directly, but indirectly, precisely concerns the character of the anecdote. For instance. Joke. Soccer World Cup. The USSR national team plays against Italy. Butz is 0-3 losing. USSR-Germany 0-5 loses. USSR-Brazil 0-7. In short, a shame. Brezhnev calls the Minister of Sports and threatens. You will lose the return matches, to SIBERIA !!! He calls the coach and threatens him. In short, the USSR national team with a new composition. Return matches. Italy-USSR 0-5 USSR wins. Germany 0-10 defeated Brazilians 0-15. In general, all akue kaaaaaaaaak? The coach says he just put the right players in the right place. Put the Chechens as attackers, you can stop figs. I put Azerbaijanis on the defense, you can't pay, you can't pass, but to the gates of an Armenian. Don't forget him, figs that you will prove)
  • parusnik
    parusnik 15 October 2020 17: 37
    +2
    Well, as an option ..
  • Oleg Bykov
    Oleg Bykov 15 October 2020 18: 05
    0
    Does the West need it?
  • Robinzon
    Robinzon 15 October 2020 19: 03
    0
    "The West could recognize the independence of Nagorno-Karabakh as it did Kosovo" - National Interest

    There, Russian interests are powerful and the West, even despite the pressure of the Armenian lobby around the world, will not agree to this .. Pashinyan is a protege of the West, at the anti-Russian protests in Yerevan .. They are very happy about this massacre, because Russia will have to harness the treaty if it rushes more ... Pashinyan set Russia up, it was possible to work ahead of the curve
  • Rokambol
    Rokambol 15 October 2020 19: 17
    0
    The West could recognize the independence of Nagorno-Karabakh as it did Kosovo

    If the West has any interest in this, it will do so. But what is the interest of the West in independent Karabakh?
  • deniso
    deniso 15 October 2020 19: 27
    0
    Texans and Californians, stop feeding Washington! There is a precedent for Kosovo. You will become the youngest statesmen in North America, Russia is with you.
    1. Old Kaa
      Old Kaa 16 October 2020 11: 23
      +1
      Californians agree on one condition: Las Vegas must move from Nevada to California!
  • Lesorub
    Lesorub 15 October 2020 20: 05
    +2
    "The West could recognize the independence of Nagorno-Karabakh, as it recognized Kosovo"

    Obviously, there are no such plans in this mnogohodovochka !!
  • orionvitt
    orionvitt 15 October 2020 21: 21
    0
    In short, with world democracy, everything is once again clear. The question converges exclusively to one thing. Who are you for? And at this moment in time. Deceit, double-dealing and triple standards in action. And then they wonder where the world (and not only) wars come from.
  • Valeriy A. Proskournin
    Valeriy A. Proskournin 16 October 2020 00: 33
    -1
    indisputable "the fact of holding a referendum in the NKAO (in 1988 the first referendum on secession from the AzSSR was held, and the second in 1991 on secession from the USSR), in connection with which the NKAO seceded from the USSR on the same grounds as Armenia , Azerbaijan and any other republic of the Soviet state (article 3 of the Law "On the procedure for resolving issues related to the secession of a union republic from the USSR") "- from:
    Nobody has the right to question the independence of Artsakh! Stepanakert, 15.10.2020.
    http://realtribune.ru/news/world/5271
  • Gunther
    Gunther 16 October 2020 01: 55
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    If the United States recognizes the independence of Karabakh, then at the same moment the President of Azerbaijan will sever all ties with agent Donald and expel mattresses from the country.
    it is obvious that the United States and the entire "West" are afraid of such dire consequences. lol
  • svoit
    svoit 16 October 2020 10: 52
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    Quote: hrych
    When our plane was shot down, NATO disowned Turkey

    Not sure if NATO will disown itself if the opposite happens, and not one, but 10?
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  • Metallurg_2
    Metallurg_2 17 October 2020 15: 38
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    Why recognize Karabakh? Kosovo was recognized exclusively as a territory convenient for drug trafficking from Afghanistan to Europe. And while the width of the channel fully satisfies this need. Will cease to satisfy - then they will think.