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"Not a ruble for him": how the Internet assessed Chubais's idea to risk pensions for investment

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The head of Rusnano, Anatoly Chubais, recently made a new scandalous statement. Chubais's proposal caused a violent reaction in the Russian media space - from publications to communities on social networks and the blogosphere.


Let us remind you that Anatoly Chubais announced that the Russian venture capital market would not be able to develop successfully unless the money of non-state pension funds (NPF) was directed to support it. Anatoly Borisovich voiced this opinion at the strategic session of the Bank of Russia. In fact, it is proposed to risk pension savings by turning them into an investment instrument. But investment, as you know, is often unprofitable and disastrous.

Chubais's words have caused mixed assessments in the media. As expected, patriotic publications were most indignant. "Tsargrad TV" recalled that at one time a similar idea - to use the savings of pensioners - was promoted by the Central Bank itself: the regulator proposed to direct this money to support national infrastructure projects. Then the head of Rusnano grabbed the idea of ​​disposing of pension savings.

Venture investments have a high return, hence the payback - they are very risky,

- writes the resource Pasmi.ru.

Banks Segodnya drew attention to the fact that it is not yet very clear what kind of funds Chubais was talking about - either about funded pensions, but they stopped forming about 7 years ago, or about those funds that are without the participation of the state itself, they are formed in non-state pension funds.

Ordinary netizens in the comments to news stories are expressed much more sharply than journalists and analysts. Most of the comments are abusive: it's no secret that since the Yeltsin era, Anatoly Chubais has been a real “irritant” for millions of Russian citizens.



So let him start with his pension, he has it, unlike our three-kopeck one, big,

- noted the user Lyubov in the comments to the article on the website of the "Capital of the Country" edition.

Not a ruble to him. Again, the flying ax will either invent the robot Fedya,

- stresses another commentator.

These are just the most neutral of those phrases that were addressed to him after Chubais's remarks. People with knowledge of economics reminded the eternal reformer that out of 100 startups, only 1 is viable, so that the money of Russian pensioners may face a very sad fate.

However, there is no sense in public reaction, as long as the country's top officials show interest in Chubais's position. For example, back in April 2020, President Vladimir Putin himself reacted to a similar proposal by Anatoly Borisovich.

Recommend the Bank of Russia, together with the Government of the Russian Federation, to study the issue of the possibility of placing pension reserves and investing pension savings by non-state pension funds in private equity and venture capital funds,

- stated in the text of the instruction published on the Kremlin website.

In an economic downturn, the state may well agree to borrow funds from pension reserves to support venture funds. Will it only bring real benefits to the country, and not to individual state structures or their leaders? - the question is open.
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  1. Theodore
    Theodore 15 October 2020 17: 04 New
    86
    Vouchers in his mouth! All !
    1. Hunter 2
      Hunter 2 15 October 2020 17: 52 New
      65
      I finally began to understand the meaning of the saying ... Met the Red - Kill (s)
      in medieval Europe, red-haired women were considered witches and burned at the stake.
      And Peter was the first to issue a decree "not to take the red-haired and pockmarked into the public service - for God is targeting rogue!"
      These are certainly not our methods, but Chubais is an exception here!
      1. Tatyana
        Tatyana 15 October 2020 18: 20 New
        +9
        "To recommend the Bank of Russia, together with the Government of the Russian Federation, to work out the issue of the possibility of placing pension reserves and investing pension savings by non-state pension funds in private equity and venture capital funds," said the text of the instruction published on the Kremlin's website.

        It seems that the red-haired, shameless pro-Western Gaidarist Chubais is again expressing the interests of the robbers-privatizers - the last "market" economic reforms of the monetarists of the 1990s - and just on the eve of the next wave of privatization of state property in the country planned by the Russian government.
        1. Tatyana
          Tatyana 15 October 2020 19: 25 New
          52
          Here they are - Chubais, Nabiulina and Kudrin together at the same table with Henry Kissinger - an apologist of the NEW WORLD ORDER!

          REFERENCE
          Henry Kmssenger. American statesman, diplomat and international relations expert. United States National Security Adviser and United States Secretary of State.

          Both in the Russian Federation and in the West it is quite rightly considered that Chubais, Nabiulina and Kudrin are working for the interests of the United States. Namely.

          The Chubais State Property Committee, having "sold" 46 Russian state-owned enterprises, gave the Russian treasury less than $ 815 million (million!) Dollars, while a similar privatization in the Czech Republic in terms of volume is two times less - 1 enterprises - brought income to the state $ 25 billion (billion!).

          No war has inflicted such terrible losses on Russia, never before in the history of Russia has any enemy so openly and brazenly, fearlessly ruled the Russian soil as this team of "market" liberal monetarists led by Chubais! This was tantamount to an unprecedented sabotage.
          As a result, the total losses from the destruction of the country's economy in 1996 alone were 2,5 times higher than the losses in the Great Patriotic War!

          Therefore, Chubais, Nabiulina and Kudrin are sitting in the photo with an informal report at the same table with Henry Kissinger, and the United States did not and will never fall under the economic sanctions.
          1. Terenin
            Terenin 15 October 2020 19: 36 New
            22
            Quote: Tatiana
            Here they are - Chubais, Nabiulina and Kudrin together at the same table with Henry Kissinger - an apologist of the NEW WORLD ORDER!

            REFERENCE
            Henry Kmssenger. American statesman, diplomat and international relations expert. United States National Security Adviser and United States Secretary of State.

            Both in the Russian Federation and in the West it is quite rightly considered that Chubais, Nabiulina and Kudrin are working for the interests of the United States. Namely.

            The Chubais State Property Committee, having "sold" 46 Russian state-owned enterprises, gave the Russian treasury less than $ 815 million (million!) Dollars, while a similar privatization in the Czech Republic in terms of volume is two times less - 1 enterprises - brought income to the state $ 25 billion (billion!).

            No war has inflicted such terrible losses on Russia, never before in the history of Russia has any enemy so openly and brazenly, fearlessly ruled the Russian soil as this team of "market" liberal monetarists led by Chubais! This was tantamount to an unprecedented sabotage.
            As a result, the total losses from the destruction of the country's economy in 1996 alone were 2,5 times higher than the losses in the Great Patriotic War!

            Therefore, Chubais, Nabiulina and Kudrin are sitting in the photo with an informal report at the same table with Henry Kissinger, and the United States did not and will never fall under the economic sanctions.

            In short: in the photo - the enemies of Russia!
            1. Tatyana
              Tatyana 15 October 2020 19: 38 New
              34
              Quote: Terenin
              In short: in the photo - the enemies of Russia!

              This is the photo of the US colonial administration in Russia
              1. Deck
                Deck 15 October 2020 19: 44 New
                21
                An award ceremony for young communists took place on Red Square. The leader of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation presented awards and certificates of honor to the best pioneers of Russia. The representative of the Ural pioneer movement, 10-year-old Pavlik Krasnov, was especially noted.
                The leader of the Russian communists praised the young pioneer for his courage, determination and adherence to the principles of Marxism-Leninism in the fight against representatives of the Russian oligarchy. Young Pavlik came with his grandfather to Anatoly Chubais's lecture at the Yeltsin Center, took off his mask and spat in the face of the head of Rusnano, wishing to “get a little bit of a drink as soon as possible.” Zyuganov also noted the merit of Krasnov's grandfather in raising his grandson and presented the old communist with the Star of the Hero of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation.
                “I hope that this red-haired bastard, who destroyed more than 80 thousand of the best enterprises in the country and sold all the Soviet legacy, will soon get what he deserves. It is not in vain that we have preserved and increased our valiant pioneering. With such young heroes, we will instantly build a new socialism, which our descendants will still envy, ”said Gennady Zyuganov.
                1. grindz
                  grindz 16 October 2020 09: 07 New
                  +4
                  This modern Communist Party is just some kind of cargo cult.
              2. Terenin
                Terenin 15 October 2020 19: 46 New
                +5
                Quote: Tatiana
                Quote: Terenin
                In short: in the photo - the enemies of Russia!

                This is the photo of the US colonial administration in Russia

                For the forum it is normal, but the grandmother in the village except for "Russia" is unlikely to understand.
              3. Terenin
                Terenin 15 October 2020 19: 55 New
                +8
                Quote: Tatiana
                Quote: Terenin
                In short: in the photo - the enemies of Russia!

                This is the photo of the US colonial administration in Russia

                In principle, in the photo there is one Kissinger from the US administration, the rest are “watching” Russia, in their concept - a colony.


                .
            2. 72jora72
              72jora72 16 October 2020 04: 52 New
              +8
              In short: in the photo - the enemies of Russia!
              and friends of Putin ...........
              1. Roman070280
                Roman070280 16 October 2020 08: 44 New
                +4
                Briefly and succinctly ..))
            3. Roman070280
              Roman070280 16 October 2020 08: 43 New
              +1
              You're oversimplifying everything ..
              So you will never know all the enemies .. if you only look at the photo ..
              And we must also think - who in our country controls these people .. who is the hidden cardinal ..
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          3. GELEZNII_KAPUT
            GELEZNII_KAPUT 16 October 2020 04: 24 New
            0
            Quote: Tatiana
            Here they are - Chubais, Nabiulina and Kudrin together at the same table with Henry Kissinger - an apologist of the NEW WORLD ORDER!


            REFERENCE
            Henry Kmssenger. American statesman, diplomat and expert in international relations. United States National Security Adviser and United States Secretary of State.

            Both in the Russian Federation and in the West it is quite rightly considered that Chubais, Nabiulina and Kudrin are working for the interests of the United States. Namely.

            The Chubais State Property Committee, having "sold" 46 Russian state-owned enterprises, gave the Russian treasury less than $ 815 million (million!) Dollars, while a similar privatization in the Czech Republic in terms of volume is two times less - 1 enterprises - brought income to the state $ 25 billion (billion!).

            No war has inflicted such terrible losses on Russia, never before in the history of Russia has any enemy so openly and brazenly, fearlessly ruled the Russian soil as this team of "market" liberal monetarists led by Chubais! This was tantamount to an unprecedented sabotage.
            As a result, the total losses from the destruction of the country's economy in 1996 alone exceeded the losses in the Great Patriotic War by 2,5 times!

            Therefore, Chubais, Nabiulina and Kudrin are sitting in the photo with an informal report at the same table with Henry Kissinger, and the United States did not and will never fall under the economic sanctions.

            For some reason it reminded me ... laughing
          4. Plastmaster
            Plastmaster 17 October 2020 07: 10 New
            +1
            Well, where are our gallant honest generals? Who could fix the situation? There was one officer, but it didn't work out, for some reason.
        2. Clear
          Clear 15 October 2020 20: 33 New
          +4
          Quote: Tatiana
          "To recommend the Bank of Russia, together with the Government of the Russian Federation, to work out the issue of the possibility of placing pension reserves and investing pension savings by non-state pension funds in private equity and venture capital funds," said the text of the instruction published on the Kremlin's website.

          It seems that the red-haired, shameless pro-Western Gaidarist Chubais is again expressing the interests of the robbers-privatizers - the last "market" economic reforms of the monetarists of the 1990s - and just on the eve of the next wave of privatization of state property in the country planned by the Russian government.

          And, there is no need to leave enemies in your camp No.
          1. Zoldat_A
            Zoldat_A 15 October 2020 21: 08 New
            +1
            Quote: Clear
            there is no need to leave enemies in your camp

            Why is there no need to leave ... We also have camps for them ...
        3. Revival
          Revival 16 October 2020 01: 09 New
          0
          Does it seem to me or, judging by this article, did you quote from a speech by a person called the president?
          If so, the second part of your comment is rather strange
        4. BecmepH
          BecmepH 16 October 2020 11: 49 New
          +1
          Quote: Tatiana
          It seems that the red-haired, shameless pro-Western Gaidarist Chubais is again expressing the interests of the robbers-privatizers - the last "market" economic reforms of the monetarists of the 1990s - and just on the eve of the next wave of privatization of state property in the country planned by the Russian government.

          I agree with you. This is w-w-w-w-w for a reason (S)
      2. rocket757
        rocket757 15 October 2020 19: 04 New
        +4
        Eh, have forgotten our, enlightened, behests of great ancestors !!!
        It's a shame!
        After all, they were right, right, they were !!! to which we have real confirmation!
      3. Nikolai Korovin
        Nikolai Korovin 15 October 2020 20: 31 New
        +2
        Why not ours? Do not think that we are smarter than our ancestors were. They, at least, were no more stupid. But rather smarter. Hanging in a smartphone does not contribute to the development of mental abilities per se. You can know a lot, but think absolutely nothing. Especially when there is disinformation at every turn. It's worth looking at the photo from the front (not so noticeable in profile) - well, everything is clear who he is. Peter issued the correct decree.
      4. Turist1996
        Turist1996 15 October 2020 21: 11 New
        +5
        Carrying garbage! And a frank call to hatred on a certain basis - I have a red beard, my wife is red, and my children are all red! Only neither I nor my spouse have ever worked and do not work at Rusnano, in anything close. And, damn it, for large families of the possible benefits, our region is the most greedy!
      5. Turist1996
        Turist1996 15 October 2020 21: 16 New
        +2
        I would say this: met "Red" (c) - Kill him!
        Somehow it happened to be literally two meters away ..
        People, honestly - I didn't know that he would be there! ..
      6. Misha Honest
        Misha Honest 15 October 2020 21: 53 New
        +3
        Quote: Hunter 2
        I finally began to understand the meaning of the saying ... Met the Red - Kill (s)

        Tenacious ... bastard. laughing Sometimes I have the feeling that he will outlive both Russia and the Russians ... request
      7. not main
        not main 15 October 2020 22: 58 New
        +3
        Quote: Hunter 2
        These are certainly not our methods, but Chubais is an exception here!

        Yes, they would rather rule out this "exception"!
    2. venik
      venik 15 October 2020 17: 57 New
      15
      Quote: Theodore
      Vouchers in his mouth! All !

      =======
      Remembered children's anecdote, once upon a time our youngest brought from school:
      "The Bear, Monkey and Fox sat down in the preference "bullet" to paint. Bear: I warn you right away: Who will cheat - we will beat that! The monkey jumps - Yes! Yes! Beat! Straight on insolent redhead face! "
      Wow, what stupidity I remember .... But somehow surprisingly "in the subject" came!
      1. not main
        not main 15 October 2020 23: 09 New
        +1
        Vladimir! Do you remember that I promised to remind you of your forecasts regarding the conflict between Azerbaijan and Armenia? In no way do I urge you to do what you wrote about! I just wanted to say that forecasts, especially political ones, are not a gratifying thing! And the cap may still come in handy!
        1. venik
          venik 16 October 2020 12: 04 New
          +1
          Quote: non-primary
          I promised to remind you of your forecasts regarding the Azerbaijan-Armenia conflict? In no way do I urge you to do what you wrote about!

          =======
          Andrew! If it does not make it difficult, remind you of what predictions were you talking about? And then sclerosis tortured something! wassat
          1. not main
            not main 16 October 2020 19: 57 New
            +1
            Quote: venik
            Andrew! If it does not make it difficult, remind you of what predictions were you talking about? And then sclerosis tortured something!

            Something like this Vladimir!
            1. venik
              venik 16 October 2020 20: 15 New
              +2
              Andrew! WHAT IS WRONG here? Or is the war already over? Or maybe one of the parties REACHED desired?
              Well then, WHY did they "negotiate" (even though they do not observe the truce)?
              Yes, I am now ready to subscribe to my words! What's the question?
              PS The "Offer" is still valid! (I'm just looking for a cap - my wife has ruined somewhere ...
              soldier
              1. not main
                not main 16 October 2020 20: 40 New
                0
                Quote: venik
                venik (Vladimir) Today, 20:15

                You just predicted that the conflict would turn into a "sluggish" phase. What I don't see at the moment. Although this is a subjective point of view.
                1. venik
                  venik 17 October 2020 00: 04 New
                  +1
                  Quote: non-primary
                  You just predicted that the conflict would turn into a "sluggish" phase. What I don't see at the moment. Although this is a subjective point of view.

                  ========
                  Haven't switched yet ..... But close to it! "Negotiations" for a reason! Although Azerbaijan is more powerful, but the strength of both sides has diminished - BOTH sides are exhausted! ... Their armies are NOT designed for long конфликт high intensity! And with a low intensity of battles - "blitzkrieg" not work!
                  Did you not pay attention to the fact that the battles are going in only two directions: Snevo-West and South-East? And the Center? The strongest army corps stood there! And where is he? According to some reports, he is already being "fiddled" by pulling him to the NW and SE directions .....
                  1. not main
                    not main 17 October 2020 21: 40 New
                    0
                    Quote: venik
                    Quote: non-primary
                    You just predicted that the conflict would turn into a "sluggish" phase. What I don't see at the moment. Although this is a subjective point of view.

                    ========
                    Haven't switched yet ..... But close to it! "Negotiations" for a reason! Although Azerbaijan is more powerful, but the strength of both sides has diminished - BOTH sides are exhausted! ... Their armies are NOT designed for long конфликт high intensity! And with a low intensity of battles - "blitzkrieg" not work!
                    Did you not pay attention to the fact that the battles are going in only two directions: Snevo-West and South-East? And the Center? The strongest army corps stood there! And where is he? According to some reports, he is already being "fiddled" by pulling him to the NW and SE directions .....

                    So? The conditions are met, you yourself said about the terms!
    3. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 15 October 2020 18: 00 New
      +2
      Quote: Theodore
      Vouchers in his mouth! All !

      I won't give mine - they have been exchanged for Gazprom shares. smile
    4. paul3390
      paul3390 15 October 2020 18: 07 New
      10
      Are you sure what exactly is in your mouth? what
    5. Svarog
      Svarog 15 October 2020 19: 07 New
      12
      Quote: Theodore
      Vouchers in his mouth! All !

      It's high time to count it ..
    6. Warrior-80
      Warrior-80 15 October 2020 19: 27 New
      +4
      In general, they want to play roulette for the money of pensioners, barbarians and zhivoglots
      1. Alex Justice
        Alex Justice 16 October 2020 09: 15 New
        -2
        The idea is good, but there should be strict state control.
        We have many pension funds. Choose anyone. There are options in my retirement fund. Choose any. Money works and brings good income if the economy is stable. In a crisis, I change the option to stable.
        https://portal.australiansuper.com/investments-and-performance/superannuation-performance/investmentsperformancefytd.aspx
    7. ZEMCH
      ZEMCH 15 October 2020 19: 40 New
      +2
      Quote: Theodore
      Vouchers in his mouth! All !

      You can go to another place! All!
    8. Clear
      Clear 15 October 2020 20: 29 New
      +3
      Quote: Theodore
      Vouchers in his mouth! All !

      All or All? what
    9. Simon
      Simon 15 October 2020 21: 29 New
      +1
      He robbed Russia, together with Yeltsin, now he wants to rob pensioners. We still remember the vouchers!
    10. Revival
      Revival 16 October 2020 01: 11 New
      0
      Moreover, all all all at once
  2. novel66
    novel66 15 October 2020 17: 05 New
    27
    when the ginger dog gets kicked the fuck
    1. moreman78
      moreman78 15 October 2020 17: 07 New
      15
      He is a monument, who will plant him!
    2. Pereira
      Pereira 15 October 2020 17: 08 New
      22
      You can't. He is the overseer from the Bilderberg Club.
      1. novel66
        novel66 15 October 2020 17: 10 New
        22
        and bang, no?
        1. prior
          prior 15 October 2020 17: 14 New
          26
          That's who the Novice is crying for. I'm talking about the "redhead".
          1. novel66
            novel66 15 October 2020 17: 15 New
            16
            moreover, already real, acting
        2. Prisoner
          Prisoner 15 October 2020 17: 24 New
          10
          Vladimir Vasilyevich wanted. It's a pity that it didn’t grow together.
        3. BIABIA
          BIABIA 15 October 2020 17: 30 New
          26
          Have already tried. Rather, he will die himself, and they will certainly erect a monument to him, something like the Chubais Center. And it's not a joke, they will put it ...
          1. halpat
            halpat 15 October 2020 19: 23 New
            +5
            Quote: BIABIA
            Have already tried. Rather, he will die himself, and they will certainly erect a monument to him, something like the Chubais Center. And it's not a joke, they will put it ...

            Chubais Center is STRONG !!!
            I think the GDP will instruct to work it out and then allocate five yards. Even during the life of the redhead.
            And the monument on the square in front of the entrance, like Lenin: hand forward and in it vouchers in a fan.
            Cast in bronze (to entrust the production of Zurab Tsereteli now) and eternal fire naturally.
            And to pass the law: if the redhead dies, then put it in the mausoleum of the new Chubais Center.
          2. Terenin
            Terenin 15 October 2020 19: 43 New
            +4
            Quote: BIABIA
            Have already tried. Rather, he will die himself, and they will certainly erect a monument to him, something like the Chubais Center. And it's not a joke, they will put it ...

            Now his statements are like tales from the crypt.
        4. private person
          private person 15 October 2020 17: 31 New
          15
          and bang, no?

          Not nizya, he once nominated the current president. He himself is the unofficial ruler of Russia.
        5. albert
          albert 15 October 2020 18: 21 New
          +8
          Quote: novel xnumx
          and bang, no?

          People, let's get the killer for Chubi. am
        6. Aag
          Aag 15 October 2020 18: 22 New
          +2
          Quote: novel xnumx
          and bang, no?

          I remember that the attempt ended badly .... (((.
        7. Svarog
          Svarog 15 October 2020 19: 09 New
          10
          Quote: novel xnumx
          and bang, no?

          Kvachkov just thought and immediately the deadline ..
        8. Clear
          Clear 15 October 2020 20: 10 New
          18
          Quote: novel xnumx
          and bang, no?

          Chubais said at a press conference:
          - I know those who wanted my death am .
          But he did not announce the list drawn up on the data of the census of the population of Russia.
        9. Revival
          Revival 16 October 2020 01: 11 New
          0
          We don’t throw ours.
      2. businessv
        businessv 15 October 2020 18: 59 New
        0
        Quote: Pereira
        You can't. He is the overseer from the Bilderberg Club.

        In that case, let the club pay him! How does he sit on budget money?
      3. Svarog
        Svarog 15 October 2020 19: 08 New
        +5
        Quote: Pereira
        You can't. He is the overseer from the Bilderberg Club.

        And Putin carries suitcases for him ...
    3. Insurgent
      Insurgent 15 October 2020 17: 10 New
      10
      Quote: novel xnumx
      when the ginger dog gets kicked the fuck

      Quote: moreman78
      He is a monument, who will plant him!


      No, no No. - "He is of course a dog's son, but he is our dog's son"...

      Who will kick his?
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 15 October 2020 17: 16 New
        +3
        Quote: Insurgent
        Who will kick his?

        Even a thin owner does not kick his dog.
      2. frruc
        frruc 15 October 2020 17: 20 New
        +5
        No, you are wrong. This is NOT OUR dog's son.
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 15 October 2020 17: 22 New
          +6
          Quote: frruc
          No, you are wrong. This is NOT OUR dog's son.


          I'm really about the people wrote?
          1. Snail N9
            Snail N9 15 October 2020 17: 36 New
            23
            Remember how he was at the New Year's party in Skolkovo in a drunken voice, from the rostrum, broadcasting that his “nano” was simply bathed in money: “We have so much money .... We just have a lot of money. .. "I wonder where he is their business? once you also needed retirement? request
            1. Pereira
              Pereira 15 October 2020 17: 50 New
              10
              Spent. Citro, ice cream ...
            2. Svarog
              Svarog 15 October 2020 19: 11 New
              19
              We have so much money .... We have, simply, indecently, a lot of money.

              Navalny went through almost all of them with the investigation .. but here's how much and where the money Chubais has for some reason forgot .. Coincidence? I don't think so ..
        2. Virus-free crown
          Virus-free crown 15 October 2020 17: 37 New
          -1
          Quote: frruc
          No, you are wrong. This is NOT OUR dog's son.

          do not "confuse personal wool with state" (c) Caucasian captive wassat
          that is ... do not confuse YOURSELF with the STATE laughing yes, this is NOT YOUR dog's son - he is a state bully hi
          1. frruc
            frruc 15 October 2020 18: 25 New
            +3
            It remains to determine which state.
            1. Virus-free crown
              Virus-free crown 15 October 2020 18: 31 New
              -1
              Quote: frruc
              It remains to determine which state.

              How long have I been in Kursy, while Chubais has Russian citizenship repeat
        3. Revival
          Revival 16 October 2020 01: 13 New
          0
          Maybe not yours, but who are you and who are ours? ABOUT!
    4. Runoway
      Runoway 15 October 2020 17: 45 New
      10
      when the ginger dog gets kicked the fuck

      Using the example of another prominent politician, the Chubais Center will also be opened and a monument will be erected, telling how much he did for Russia
    5. nnm
      nnm 15 October 2020 17: 47 New
      15
      I beg you ... nothing will happen to him - just look with whom, with whom and during what period he worked in St. Petersburg at one time ...
      1. Pereira
        Pereira 15 October 2020 17: 50 New
        +5
        A hint of Putin?
        Will there be a personal mausoleum or a hemp tie? I did not quite understand your idea.
        1. nnm
          nnm 15 October 2020 18: 05 New
          13
          Yes, with him. He was driving the state property of some area of ​​St. Petersburg. Yes, almost all "come" from there. I remember exactly that Gref also worked there in the State Property Office of the city, etc., etc.
          So no one, nothing and never will be from that team. Unless, of course, it starts to get out of order or break into the head of the marching column.
    6. Piramidon
      Piramidon 15 October 2020 18: 00 New
      +2
      Quote: novel xnumx
      when the ginger dog gets kicked the fuck

      Apparently, this guano is unsinkable. After all, such a number of shoals, which this impudent, red-haired muzzle made in all her positions, would not be forgiven to anyone, and from this, like water off a duck's back. Somewhere in power he has a PAW covered with many meters of wool. I would like to know whose. Earlier, the drunkard EBN covered this scum, but now who?
      1. Robinzon
        Robinzon 15 October 2020 18: 10 New
        -1
        Quote: Piramidon
        Quote: novel xnumx
        when the ginger dog gets kicked the fuck

        Apparently, this guano is unsinkable. After all, such a number of shoals, which this impudent, red-haired muzzle made in all her positions, would not be forgiven to anyone, and from this, like water off a duck's back. Somewhere in power he has a PAW covered with many meters of wool. I would like to know whose. Earlier, the drunkard EBN covered this scum, but now who?

        There are also many questions about the cunning red-haired Stepan! ...
        After all, Russia crap and no one touches him in all the media ... I read my memoirs there on the forelock so much dirt, and this fox only grins and looks with impudent eyes at everyone ..
    7. Vol4ara
      Vol4ara 15 October 2020 18: 05 New
      -1
      Quote: novel xnumx
      when the ginger dog gets kicked the fuck

      that's who the newbie doesn't mind, this bulk surrendered to them
      1. Piramidon
        Piramidon 15 October 2020 18: 25 New
        +5
        Quote: Vol4ara
        that's who the newbie doesn't mind, this bulk surrendered to them

        Apparently, "newbie" is complete crap. He has not yet put anyone to rest, even though all sorts of Western poddypki call him "military OV". It seems that simple dichlorvos is a hundred times more effective.
        1. Vol4ara
          Vol4ara 15 October 2020 18: 40 New
          +2
          Quote: Piramidon
          Quote: Vol4ara
          that's who the newbie doesn't mind, this bulk surrendered to them

          Apparently, "newbie" is complete crap. He has not yet put anyone to rest, even though all sorts of Western poddypki call him "military OV". It seems that simple dichlorvos is a hundred times more effective.


          Just a beginner is still soothing and once and for all. I do not remember the name of a businessman from the 90s, a newcomer was put on the ear membrane of the phone, he died, then his secretary died, who did not touch the phone, just wiped the dust in the office. Then a pathologist died, a 40-year-old healthy man who opened the body. The investigators who searched the office became ill, were hospitalized, nothing happened. And this is a drop of a beginner on the membrane, that is, it did not even touch the skin.

          But I found a description of the poisoning of one of the chemists:
          1. Piramidon
            Piramidon 15 October 2020 18: 49 New
            -1
            Quote: Vol4ara
            Just a beginner is still soothing and once and for all

            Judging by Skripal and Navalny ... request
          2. businessv
            businessv 15 October 2020 19: 10 New
            0
            Quote: Vol4ara
            But I found a description of poisoning one of the chemists

            Horror! And after this described case, non-sick Western doctors will assure us that they can fight the targeted poisoning by the Novice and even save the poisoned ?!
        2. Warrior-80
          Warrior-80 15 October 2020 19: 35 New
          +1
          Eh, I remember the days of Agatha Christie, just cyanide potassium, simple and tasteful and for some reason immediately acted, probably the chemistry degraded that the fighting office is so a remedy for Kamar laughing
      2. businessv
        businessv 15 October 2020 19: 04 New
        +1
        Quote: Vol4ara
        that's who the newbie doesn't mind, this bulk surrendered to them

        they did not spend on the breakup Novice, he used his own internal poison!
        1. Simargl
          Simargl 15 October 2020 19: 38 New
          +3
          Quote: businessv
          he took advantage of his inner poison!
          Did you bite your tongue?
    8. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 15 October 2020 18: 42 New
      +1
      Quote: novel xnumx
      when the ginger dog gets kicked the fuck

      I won't give you Chubais. Someone else has to answer for the denomination. © EBN

      Red is eternal - he is a universal lightning rod and an ideal means of distracting the attention of society (everyone concentrates on him and no longer notices anything else).
    9. Captain Pushkin
      Captain Pushkin 15 October 2020 19: 11 New
      +4
      A disaster man, he ruined and ruined everything he touched and always sits on the money, although a long time ago he would have looked better on a bunk ...
      Something is very wrong in the Danish kingdom ...
    10. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 15 October 2020 19: 36 New
      +4
      Quote: novel xnumx
      when the ginger dog gets kicked the fuck

      The guarantor does not surrender his own.
    11. Terenin
      Terenin 15 October 2020 19: 47 New
      +6
      Quote: novel xnumx
      when the ginger dog gets kicked the fuck

      Sorry for the dog, Chubais is gone.
    12. Clear
      Clear 15 October 2020 20: 07 New
      10
      If the holy war cry:
      "Throw you Rus, live in paradise!"
      I'll say: "Don't need heaven,
      give my homeland! "
      S. Yesenin

      If the holy war cry:
      "Throw you Rus, live in paradise!"
      I will say: "Don't, Raya! ..."
      M. Gorbachev

      If the holy war cry:
      "Throw you Rus ..."
      A. Chubais

      "If..."
      V. Pozner
    13. Klingon
      Klingon 15 October 2020 21: 58 New
      0
      will not kick ... that's when Kachura his TOGET ,. then it will equalize with everyone. Will become the same usual food for worms, ... except that it contains a little more carotene wassat
  3. Thrifty
    Thrifty 15 October 2020 17: 08 New
    10
    "Voucher" is itching to! An adventurer and a scoundrel, he is thrusting his physique into the pensioners' korman! I would give it to Kvachkov, and forget that such a ginger parasite was not sitting where people were waiting for it!
    1. frruc
      frruc 15 October 2020 17: 16 New
      +6
      This type has not been trusted since 1991.
  4. RUSLAN
    RUSLAN 15 October 2020 17: 10 New
    13
    When will this bastard flood ...
    1. Clear
      Clear 15 October 2020 20: 12 New
      +6
      Quote: RUSLAN
      When will this bastard flood ...

      To what extent did Chubais rob Russia if she had no money for normal killers? crying
      1. Klingon
        Klingon 15 October 2020 22: 01 New
        +1
        this is what a newbie should be am , and that Bulk clown who surrendered laughing
  5. Thrifty
    Thrifty 15 October 2020 17: 11 New
    22
    "Recommend to the Government of Russia, the Supreme Soviet and the State Duma to contribute 10 percent of their income to the Pension Fund of Russia every month!" My idea will be more useful for pensioners!
    1. prior
      prior 15 October 2020 17: 18 New
      12
      Thrifty. Why do you feel so sorry for them?
      From them it is not necessary to unfasten 10%, but leave them 10% each, although this is too much.
    2. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 15 October 2020 17: 31 New
      +2
      Recommend the Bank of Russia, together with the Government of the Russian Federation, to study the issue of the possibility of placing funds

      Quote: Thrifty
      "Recommend to the Government of Russia, the Supreme Soviet and the State Duma to contribute 10 percent of their income to the Pension Fund of Russia every month!" My idea will be more useful for pensioners!

      With their salaries, in our opinion, even 50% will not be enough from them to start, for development. And from the "redhead" in general, like the initiator, take ALL "savings" (stolen) and invest!
      1. Virus-free crown
        Virus-free crown 15 October 2020 17: 44 New
        0
        Quote: Starover_Z
        Recommend the Bank of Russia, together with the Government of the Russian Federation, to study the issue of the possibility of placing funds

        Quote: Thrifty
        "Recommend to the Government of Russia, the Supreme Soviet and the State Duma to contribute 10 percent of their income to the Pension Fund of Russia every month!" My idea will be more useful for pensioners!

        With their salaries, in our opinion, even 50% will not be enough from them to start, for development. And from the "redhead" in general, like the initiator, take ALL "savings" (stolen) and invest!

        Anecdote))) a summary ... a little Russian ... but he is already ... eleven years old for sure)))
        A train compartment, a Ukrainian, a Russian and an Afro-American are on their way ... The Ukrainian has spread the bacon, tsibulya, eats, drinks it down with vodka ... The Negro salivates on the bacon .. The Russian modestly eats chicken with boiled eggs ...
        Russian:
        - Do you really think that African Americans don't eat lard ?!
        Ukrainian:
        - Would he be grist ... but who would he give him ?!
        laughing lol
    3. Warrior-80
      Warrior-80 15 October 2020 19: 44 New
      0
      And why 10%, it is necessary, as in France, 30% from them will not hurt
    4. Alex Justice
      Alex Justice 16 October 2020 09: 21 New
      -2
      Our employer is obliged to contribute 9% of the salary to the fund. A good amount is being collected for pension. So pensioners travel around the world, they spend what they have accumulated.
  6. Yngvar
    Yngvar 15 October 2020 17: 12 New
    +9
    Again it surfaced G ... Well itching to do this dirty trick!
  7. apro
    apro 15 October 2020 17: 12 New
    +4
    What would the latter be covered with a copper basin? At least one of his projects gave something to ordinary citizens? If he wants and knows how to risk the flag in his hands and a drum around his neck ...
  8. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 15 October 2020 17: 14 New
    +6
    Let us remind you that Anatoly Chubais announced that the Russian venture capital market would not be able to develop successfully unless the money of non-state pension funds (NPF) was directed to support it.
    Again he wants to use his greedy little hands in public money. Thinks people have forgotten about the "Chubai voucher". Probably Tolik is about to retire!
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  10. Andrea
    Andrea 15 October 2020 17: 22 New
    +1
    Or maybe already privatize the Russian Pension Fund? laughing
    He is special in this! And how did he not get such a thought?
    1. Aag
      Aag 15 October 2020 18: 26 New
      0
      Quote: Andrea
      Or maybe already privatize the Russian Pension Fund? laughing
      He is special in this! And how did he not get such a thought?

      Others have already been planted there.
    2. Piramidon
      Piramidon 16 October 2020 01: 35 New
      -1
      Quote: Andrea
      Or maybe already privatize the Russian Pension Fund?

      1. Alex Justice
        Alex Justice 16 October 2020 09: 24 New
        -5
        There were pensions so as not to die. We don't know how to spend them. Many travel.
        1. Piramidon
          Piramidon 16 October 2020 11: 36 New
          +1
          Quote: Alex Justice
          There were pensions so as not to die. We do not know how to spend them. Many travel.

          "We have" - ​​this is where?
          1. Alex Justice
            Alex Justice 17 October 2020 10: 19 New
            0
            In Australia
  11. Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 15 October 2020 17: 23 New
    +5
    So that it was lifted, but knocked against the wall. am
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 15 October 2020 18: 55 New
      +4
      Quote: mordvin xnumx
      So that it was lifted, but knocked against the wall. am
      this is not the first time he is going to squeeze out his pension, in my opinion, he decided again, suddenly it will finally succeed
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 15 October 2020 19: 08 New
        0
        Quote: Reptiloid
        this is not the first time he is going to squeeze out his pension, in my opinion, he decided again, suddenly it will finally succeed

        Yeah, like money is ownerless. In the 90s, it was somehow decided not to pay pensions to working pensioners at all. So in our city, all the janitors were dismissed. Because they both had the same salary and pension. Do they need it, wave a shovel for free?
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 15 October 2020 20: 00 New
          +4
          I don't know about the decisions of the 90s, but one elderly employee said that they then went out to protest, several times in our city
      2. Svarog
        Svarog 15 October 2020 19: 13 New
        +3
        Quote: Reptiloid
        this is not the first time he is going to squeeze out his pension, in my opinion, he decided again, suddenly it will finally succeed

        So before that he was successful .. In theft he has no equal .. here he is a pro ..
  12. nnm
    nnm 15 October 2020 17: 23 New
    +9
    It seems that after all we are not talking about the funds of NPFs, which invest about 80% of funds in reliable investments in the form of bank deposits and corporate bonds. For not a single sane NPF will risk its main portfolio on venture investments. Most likely, he is talking about the funded part of the pension, but does not take into account two nuances: 1. These are funds of the citizen himself and cannot be used without his consent. 2. Yes, there is no such funds in the PFR budget - everything was spent in previous periods, because the government constantly postpones the payment terms in this part. There is simply no money that we ourselves deducted in the funded part.
    That is, it turns out that he just wants to sit down on the current deductions and just without asking people to throw them into the wind ... or rather, where to throw
    1. depressant
      depressant 15 October 2020 18: 18 New
      +6
      Most likely so.
      In the West, pension funds are really invested in ventures, but it happens that they burn out and people lose their savings. And after all this is in the system of developed capitalism, which has at least a couple of hundred years of floundering in this substance, let's say. And here...
      According to Chubais, the venture market in Russia without investments of non-state pension funds (NPFs) is a pool without water. And here is his opinion:

      "NPF in Russia is the only realistic way, without some wild revolutions, without any unthinkable discussions, to finally move the problem off the ground."

      The guy has clearly heard about such a capitalism tool as the venture market. But about another, no less important, I preferred to forget, namely: reputation. There is such a thing - the reputation of an entrepreneur. And if you don't have it, who will give you money.
      You can guess that the reputation of Chubais with our capitalists is nowhere better, because he has enriched many of them with his actions. But the reputation of this figure among the people is such that adding a number of additional factors here - coronavirus, the external situation, the world economic crisis, etc. - results in a huge reputational minus, which characterizes Chubais either as ... stupid, or a traitor to the interests of the state, in tense moment shaking the state, throwing it just there, from which he proposes to leave - in the "wild revolution".
      It seems that the liberals have already exhausted all the means from the arsenal of the moderates, contributing to the buildup of the country, and are now moving on to the most radical ones.
      1. nnm
        nnm 15 October 2020 18: 25 New
        +3
        In the west, NPFs do not make risky investments as part of the main package. Only if a separate offer, if the client wants to take risks. Moreover, high-risk investments by NPFs are considered a marker of the fund's bankruptcy. There are many corporate NPFs. And corporations very often put their little hands into NPF money, and when a deficit is formed in the budget, they frantically try to cover it with venture investments.
        And about Chubais, you, oh, how vain slander. This is certainly an extremely intelligent specialist. All the schemes that he implemented are perfectly thought out on many levels and vectors and are impeccably executed .. I think he is even more abruptly than Kirienko. The problem is that he uses his mind to the detriment of the country and its people. In my subjective opinion, this is the financial Hitler of Russia. Well, or Goebbels, rather.
        1. depressant
          depressant 15 October 2020 18: 51 New
          +3
          Well, what happened to Goebbels? And what about Hitler? .. I am afraid of one thing: lest the backstage move Chubais to the presidency. Then we will definitely have 30 million left. You have correctly identified - Goebbels, so that he ...
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 15 October 2020 19: 14 New
            +2
            Quote: depressant
            I am afraid of one thing: lest I move the backstage of Chubais to the presidency.

            Why would he run for president .. he is a gray cardinal ..
            1. depressant
              depressant 15 October 2020 19: 34 New
              +3
              Any gray cardinal dreams of becoming the first person of the state. And if the path to the desired goal was closed for the cardinal as a clergyman who was ordained, then for Chubais, as for a person with negative spirituality, he is wide open. By bending and cursing this type in every possible way for what he did to our industry, seeing in front of him only dummies of Gorbachev and Yeltsin, spending all our ardor on them, we constantly lose sight of this terrible black hole that has sucked our hopes into ourselves, and now he is clearly preparing to become the Great Attractor in which the country will perish. He is not just an ideologist of all the outrage that is taking place, not just looking from the West, he clearly has the intention to complete what he has begun to the end and this must be resisted. Because any disgrace has a limit, after which everyone must wake up.
  13. parusnik
    parusnik 15 October 2020 17: 24 New
    +8
    "and those who will waggle, a candlestick in the face, on a brazen red face" (c)
    1. depressant
      depressant 15 October 2020 19: 21 New
      +5
      You know, admiring the communist future, I did not value the communist present, because it seemed to me that it had turned into a dogma. But in the 10 years of this century, without being advanced in communist ideology, I determined for sure that there was a massive closure of state enterprises, and in total up to 80 or more thousand of them, large and small, were closed in order to destroy the cohesive work collectives with their Soviet mentality. This is why the industrial potential of the country was destroyed. It was clear.
      And only now, having taken an interest in the question, who is the ideologist of the ongoing murder of our industry, I found him, it turned out to be Chubais. It turns out that in the early 90s, he constantly repeated:

      "We knew that every plant sold is a nail in the coffin of communism. Whether it is expensive, cheap, free, with a surcharge is the twentieth question."

      The vouchers did not make the workers the owners of the enterprises, which were sold for cheap to the future capitalists, who, having bought, immediately bankrupted what they had acquired, transferring the funds received for modernization abroad. And the workers, remaining at a broken trough, simply did not know what to do with it, how to deal with the new state machine - they did not have the skills.
      And now, when, according to Chubais, capitalism has been built, apparently, the time has come to embark on a more intensive implementation of the idea, namely, to reduce the population. We laughed at this here, deciding to ourselves who, they say, would give. And it goes. But Chubais’s pace does not seem to suit.
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 15 October 2020 19: 40 New
        +4
        Quote: depressant
        You know, admiring the communist future, I did not value the communist present, because it seemed to me that it had turned into a dogma.

        What we have, we do not store, having lost we cry. Indeed, they did not value free milk, vouchers, gifts for the holidays, and demanded an insolent room in a hostel, or a vacation whenever I wanted. A free tool instead of a broken or sown one in his own garage, overalls every year, dinners for a penny, respect from the management ... Now they don't believe me that our director greeted the workers by the handle and called them by their first name and patronymic, but the chief engineer can was to borrow vodka. And in the trade union it was possible to borrow money before the paycheck, if it felt like it.
        1. depressant
          depressant 15 October 2020 20: 35 New
          +4
          Yes, colleague, it was, it was .. Yes, unfortunately, the past has grown ...
          We have lost that country, we would not have lost this one.
          Here we are reproached: why did not they come to the defense? We didn’t get up because there were special state bodies that had to do it on duty, we trusted them, but they did not fulfill their professional duty. Having, by the way, all the necessary official powers for this. We, ordinary citizens, did not have such powers. We did not have special organizations with a central head, endowed with the appropriate political competence. And without organization, the people are fragmented, incapable of spontaneous mass unification within the borders of the entire country.

          And now, when the surname "Chubais" began to acquire an increasingly ominous sound, and the goal of its further activities for us is outlined more and more clearly, namely, the maximum possible destruction of the population, and then the country as a single entity, it is time to ask ourselves the question: we have Are we, ordinary citizens of now Russia, any political instrument capable of resisting the destructive activities of the aforementioned master?
          To myself, I answer like this: no, we still don't. Do not consider mass rallies, processions and pickets as a form of solidarity that can bring the desired result. Practice shows that protest activity, even if it began with a good purpose and united tens of thousands of people, sooner or later fizzles out as the decent people participating in it fizzle out, and then especially stubborn ones gradually become the subject of interest of Western special services that know how to achieve his own, and now the protest takes on a destructive character.
          So the party? But which one?
          1. Elturisto
            Elturisto 15 October 2020 20: 41 New
            +3
            And also, quite large sums were lent to each other, on a word, without any interest, the queue came up to the wall, etc.
          2. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 15 October 2020 20: 48 New
            +3
            Quote: depressant
            Here we are reproached: why did not they come to the defense?

            And no one believed that practically neofedalism would be possible with us. That the shortage of goods will be replaced by a shortage of work, and the working professions will be lowered below the plinth. And no one listened to individual voices. After all, everything collapsed not in one day, but with the substitution of concepts. Joint ventures were quietly bought by foreigners, the USSR was replaced by the CIS, which died quietly. Perestroika films were replaced by Western ones. So it slowly sucked into the swamp.
            1. depressant
              depressant 15 October 2020 21: 03 New
              +5
              So I'm worried about how well everything turned out to be calculated by Chubais. Probably, several state institutions work for him under the auspices of the CIA: well, he does not impress me as a giant of thought.
              And you will have to get out of the swamp, but not in the same way as in Belarus.
            2. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 15 October 2020 21: 42 New
              +6
              ....perestroika films were replaced by western ones ...
              But there were Soviet films, Warning films. They have already begun to be shown almost in 20 years and there is about this on the network. I have looked at 2 of them so far. And, it turns out, for the most part, people did not perceive them that way. They thought --- humor. Some said --- I don't like this kind of humor. I specifically interviewed! Not taken as a warning.
              And then I found two cartoons myself. Already 70s.
              They believed in inviolability, probably all
        2. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 15 October 2020 21: 22 New
          +6
          Quote: mordvin xnumx
          ..... What we have, we do not store, having lost we cry. Indeed, they did not value free milk, vouchers, gifts for the holidays, and demanded an insolent room in a hostel, or a vacation whenever I wanted. A free tool instead of a broken or sown one in his own garage, overalls every year, lunches for a penny, respect from the management ... Now they don't believe me that our director greeted the workers by the handle and called them by their first name and patronymic, but the chief engineer can was to borrow vodka. And in the trade union it was possible to borrow money before the paycheck, if it felt like it.
          you know, Vladimir, what you have listed is very reminiscent of good relations between relatives. It was these relations that brought the people a sense of peace and confidence that they would always take care and help. ... Perestroika has come to a gullible people who perceive everything in a positive way.
          Something like this?
        3. Alex Justice
          Alex Justice 16 October 2020 09: 29 New
          -4
          What we have, we do not store, having lost we cry. Indeed, they did not value free milk, vouchers, gifts for the holidays, and demanded an insolent room in a hostel, or a vacation whenever I wanted.

          A decent salary would be more correct, then there is no need for free, you buy what you like.
          1. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid 16 October 2020 22: 58 New
            +3
            Quote: Alex Justice
            [...... A decent salary would be more correct, then there is no need for free, you buy what you like.
            this is the liberal trap into which practically the entire population fell. The continuation of this phrase is
            ..... The MARKET will put everything out of place .....

            So he arranged it. As we see today. In this phrase there is nothing about legality, honesty, observance of laws, devouring competitors, non-repayment of loans, non-payment of salaries, the abolition of social guarantees and much more ... Therefore, many assumed whatever they liked. And the market was not going to ensure and monitor compliance with the rule of law and social guarantees.
  14. Rubi0
    Rubi0 15 October 2020 17: 25 New
    -17 qualifying.
    Well, finally, a good idea, the main thing here is the implementation and protection of such investments and not an obligation for everyone. Do you want to live richly in retirement as in the states prepare money for investment and point, there is no other way to save capital for a long time, your joint pension systems are mmm a pyramid and utopia
    1. Essex62
      Essex62 15 October 2020 17: 40 New
      +6
      Capital is not about Russian citizens. Most citizens. The staff members are still living at the very least, because the printing press, useless in real life, but imposed by force on the whole world of cut paper, is on their territory. In gayrope, the sweet life fades away, there is no point in maintaining an artificially high level. The counterweight to the USSR has disappeared. Plus the influx of Arabs and blacks. The standard of living is falling. You have to work hard, if there is where, more, benefits for less earned. Fugitives, from the 90s, to Vaterland, won't let you lie. I spoke recently. Plus security, in German cities, the indigenous people are in question.
      1. Rubi0
        Rubi0 15 October 2020 18: 01 New
        -7
        All this does not answer the question of what money should be invested in so that after 30 years on retirement at least stay with their own ... The same dollar sags by 1% annually
        1. Essex62
          Essex62 16 October 2020 08: 05 New
          +1
          The system needs to be changed, that's the answer to the question. Pension benefits in the Union were at the level of the average monthly earnings in the country. The speculative economy is evil for the population, only the hucksters win.
    2. nnm
      nnm 15 October 2020 17: 45 New
      +2
      Do you think that pensions in the United States are like this because pension funds make risky investments? Seriously ?!
      By the way, for sure ... some are doing .... I remembered Enron with his pension fund. Remind me how it ended?
      1. Rubi0
        Rubi0 15 October 2020 18: 06 New
        -7
        Why are they immediately risky? There are companies with arrestor stocks that, in order not to lose this status, take loans for dividends, because to get this status, you need to raise dividends by at least a cent for 25 years in a row.
        1. nnm
          nnm 15 October 2020 18: 08 New
          +4
          Quote: Rubi0
          Why immediately risky

          Did the word "venture" alert you?
          This is a highly risky investment.
          1. Rubi0
            Rubi0 15 October 2020 18: 13 New
            -6
            Well, you probably don't need to build an absolute here either, it's clear that the entire fund will not be invested in Uncle Vasya's startup. Therefore, I wrote in the first message that everything depends on the implementation of this idea and is definitely not binding for everyone.
            1. nnm
              nnm 15 October 2020 18: 18 New
              +4
              The essence of the proposal of Chubais is just different - he offers venture investments, they say, and we will develop new sectors of the economy, and pensioners will earn. And in your version - an analogue of a regular NPF, which are now making safe investments. But with the "obligation" the state very quickly and long ago found a way out by introducing the condition that you, having received a notification, must within a certain time either give consent or refuse investments. If you do not answer, then your money goes "where it should be", and since someone will not receive a notification, and for some of the pensioners it is like a dark forest, then it turns out that everyone will decide, without someone's opinion.
              1. Rubi0
                Rubi0 15 October 2020 18: 30 New
                -6
                Well, you must agree that there should at least be an opportunity, in the end we are talking about NPF and you have a choice. And there is no need to worry about everyone, especially for those who are waiting for a pension from the state laughing
                1. nnm
                  nnm 15 October 2020 18: 33 New
                  +3
                  So nominally, this opportunity is already in the form of the funded part of the pension.
          2. Alex Justice
            Alex Justice 16 October 2020 09: 34 New
            -1
            Don't invest in highly risky investments. Invest in protected, but the percentage is lower.
            https://portal.australiansuper.com/investments-and-performance/superannuation-performance/investmentsperformancefytd.aspx
  15. Kamchatsky
    Kamchatsky 15 October 2020 17: 27 New
    +4
    9 grams to him instead of the people's money.
    1. Aag
      Aag 15 October 2020 18: 31 New
      +3
      Quote: Kamchatka
      9 grams to him instead of the people's money.

      "Fork to the side"!
      I remembered:
      Such a magazine in the USSR was like "Crocodile" ....
      1. depressant
        depressant 15 October 2020 22: 10 New
        +2
        Now imagine that the Krokodil magazine still exists. Would Chubais become for him an inexhaustible source of cartoons and thematic pamphlets? For example, a flexible tablet for schoolchildren - does at least one have one? Or the tender friendship of Chubais with the ex-minister of the criminal Abyzov, from whom the Prosecutor General's Office is going to collect 32,5 billion rubles - what freedom for cartoonists about this friendship! But Chubais's creativity does not go further than pensioners. He says that investors are asking to put 200 billion rubles into the venture capital market, so here's a pensioner, I found a source! And this is instead of a proposal to give investors money taken from Abyzov. There, they say, another 30 billion arrested assets. And also here would be to attach what was confiscated from our famous colonels Zakharchenko and Chekalin. And also confiscated from numerous officials of "Rostec" - they are imprisoned one after another, and they continue to steal! Six trillion rubles shortage of Rostec! And the gigantic funds of Rosneftegaz, a three-person transshipment office that accumulates dividends from state-owned companies, is money that is not known where it goes. And also ...
        There are many such "and more" - an endless series of plots for evil cartoons. And Chubais, with a bandage over his eyes, groped for a pensioner!
        But the Crocodile is gone.
  16. Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 15 October 2020 17: 28 New
    +7
    And Chubais did not think of recommending to finally print the money box and start supporting the Russian economy not with a printing press, but with real money?
  17. Alexander X
    Alexander X 15 October 2020 17: 28 New
    +5
    Remove this mushroom as far as possible from the money. It is advisable to have been logging as a feller for 20 years without parole ...
    1. Sofa expert
      Sofa expert 16 October 2020 02: 26 New
      0
      Dear, take pity on the forest .. There is only one way to this misunderstanding ...
  18. Nyrobsky
    Nyrobsky 15 October 2020 17: 30 New
    +8
    What can I say? request It is a pity that Kvachkov missed. recourse
    1. depressant
      depressant 15 October 2020 21: 08 New
      +2
      Though in this, colleague, we agree with you)))
      1. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 15 October 2020 21: 38 New
        +2
        Quote: depressant
        Though in this, colleague, we agree with you)))

        This "red-haired trouble" is the same for most Russians))) hi
        1. depressant
          depressant 15 October 2020 22: 28 New
          +1
          Just imagine, since 2007 the Rusnano corporation has received 400 billion rubles from the budget, which amounted to $ 16 billion from the Russian budget. Not a single project of the corporation has recouped the funds invested in it. And now this person has the audacity to go into the NPF! There are simply no words ...
  19. Ru_Na
    Ru_Na 15 October 2020 17: 32 New
    +1
    Why is this redhead still free ?! They won't wait for him in prison!
    1. Million
      Million 15 October 2020 18: 23 New
      +3
      valuable shot for Putin
    2. Artyom Volgin
      Artyom Volgin 15 October 2020 20: 15 New
      +6
      Quote: Ru_Na
      Why is this redhead still free ?! They won't wait for him in prison!

      The president has already said that everything is fine with Chubais. Therefore, they do not touch him. He is a valuable frame for power.
  20. opuonmed
    opuonmed 15 October 2020 17: 33 New
    +2
    CIA agent Ishe is running around the Russian Federation and he is not removed, it means tied)
  21. syndicalist
    syndicalist 15 October 2020 17: 35 New
    +9
    An invaluable shot for deflecting the lightning of popular anger from the main figure.
  22. chingachguc
    chingachguc 15 October 2020 17: 38 New
    +4
    a risky guy) by the way, he became convinced that Putin has such a method of "throwing" unpopular information into the people - it is not he who voices it, but someone from his entourage ... like it is necessary to discuss. Then mongrels like Solovyov join in, expert groups are discussed - and all of us are convinced that this is an extremely necessary measure ... Putin says: we need to consider, but you understand, there are special cases ... how not to break the wood. In short, this is such a wave of people ... it has been done many times.

    1. nnm
      nnm 15 October 2020 17: 49 New
      +1
      In a somewhat distorted form from the original meaning, this is called the Overton Window principle.
    2. Aag
      Aag 15 October 2020 18: 35 New
      +2
      There is a similar impression ... Admittedly, it works, many are being led without even noticing how they were prepared for this.
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  24. Antonio_Mariarti
    Antonio_Mariarti 15 October 2020 17: 42 New
    -6
    You need to face the truth. Without Western money, life in the country will not improve, but stagnation will continue, as in the late USSR, which did not lead to a good result. And since they were planning to resist the West, there was no need to sell them to the company's persons, as well as to live on their investments. At the moment, the Russian Federation has no answer to the West. The opposition of the Russian Federation to the West, when the economy is 3 percent, dependence on the West is a very stupid idea. It was necessary to further bred them for money, and at the same time to strengthen the country, as it was done, it’s a pity they rock the boat earlier, because if they depended on us the same way we depended on them, there were no sanctions. An example is the same China, they want to fight, but there are no growls as such, as a colossal dependence.
    1. Petro_tut
      Petro_tut 15 October 2020 17: 54 New
      +6
      If you stop withdrawing money to the West, then Western investments will not be required. am
      1. Antonio_Mariarti
        Antonio_Mariarti 15 October 2020 17: 55 New
        -2
        No, most of them are money from the Central Bank, repayment of loans, purchase of dollars and so on. Well, yes, they deduce that the Russian economy is unstable.
        1. Artyom Volgin
          Artyom Volgin 15 October 2020 20: 12 New
          +8
          Quote: Antonio_Mariarti
          No, most of them are money from the Central Bank

          Is the Central Bank money no longer the money of Russia?
        2. Clear
          Clear 15 October 2020 20: 27 New
          +2
          Quote: Antonio_Mariarti
          No, most of them are money from the Central Bank, repayment of loans, purchase of dollars and so on. Well, yes, they deduce that the Russian economy is unstable.

          “It's too early to write us off, my friend, to the dump:
          We have in our hands the Russian RUSNANO! " lol
      2. Artyom Volgin
        Artyom Volgin 15 October 2020 20: 11 New
        +7
        Quote: Petro_tut
        If you stop withdrawing money to the west

        Ha, they will never stop sending money abroad.
    2. nnm
      nnm 15 October 2020 18: 12 New
      +1
      This is absolutely not the case. We have had a huge negative investment balance for many years. Money is withdrawn from Russia, and not vice versa. Money in Russia is just a sea, only the current in this "sea" is extremely abnormal.
  25. ZVS
    ZVS 15 October 2020 17: 51 New
    +2
    Why shouldn't Chubais risk Skolkovo's revenues and invest them in investments?
    When will this scum get drunk?
    1. nnm
      nnm 15 October 2020 18: 11 New
      +1
      So he tries in every possible way to do just that .... and all the money pours on him and pours ... already what he did not do, as soon as "did not invest", and they all do not end. ...
    2. Artyom Volgin
      Artyom Volgin 15 October 2020 20: 09 New
      +7
      Quote: SU
      Why shouldn't Chubais risk Skolkovo's revenues and invest them in investments?

      He probably already took a risk and went bankrupt. Therefore, I remembered about pensions yes
      Quote: SU
      When will this scum get drunk?

      Never.
  26. Petro_tut
    Petro_tut 15 October 2020 17: 52 New
    +1
    If Chubais was referring to his pension savings and the savings of State Duma deputies, then let him take, wassat
    and if folk - then a hole for him from a donut ... am
    1. nnm
      nnm 15 October 2020 18: 09 New
      0
      Moreover, most of them will not even notice the "loss".
    2. Aag
      Aag 15 October 2020 18: 38 New
      +1
      Quote: Petro_tut
      If Chubais was referring to his pension savings and the savings of State Duma deputies, then let him take, wassat
      and if folk - then a hole for him from a donut ... am

      Have you noticed that they will even ask us about the donut hole?
  27. Fedor Sokolov
    Fedor Sokolov 15 October 2020 17: 57 New
    +2
    What confidence can there be in this enemy and rogue, because it was he who sold the Soviet legacy for cheap in the 90s, cynically calling it decommunization.
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  29. Shahno
    Shahno 15 October 2020 18: 08 New
    +1
    So Chubais seemed to take a "fat" on a similar business idea. Or I'm wrong...
  30. Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 15 October 2020 18: 14 New
    0
    This post of mine was inspired by two articles on VO for today - about the fact that once again the FSB liquidated the militants (instead of detaining them and promoting them along the full chain "from A to Z") and an article on "achievements" Chubais repeat

    Let's look at the situation ... "militants are surrounded in a building / house / apartment and are destroyed by the FSB" (1000+ messages over the past 20 years ...

    So ... using my modest knowledge in chemistry and biology (I, so to speak, a multiple winner of all kinds of olympiads in childhood and adolescence in chemistry and biology repeat ) = I RESPONSIBLY declare if the STATE of the Russian Federation is interested in this = from the moment when I become a "Skolkovo resident" = (and only need 100 million investments in 1 year) = the following 99 out of 100 news will sound soooo:

    "terrorists / militants were surrounded by the FSB, taken alive, gave testimony and the terrorist network was opened and destroyed at the root " soldier

    but ... who cares ...?! recourse crying

    who needs me to become a multimillionaire for the state bill without paying a penny to the state ?! request ... so that ANY terrorist / maniac / militant would know that he would be taken alive and he would tell everything, even about how many times and when he wrote in childhood ?! wassat so that the terrorists would think 1000+ times to get involved with my work ... so that the citizens of the Russian Federation could sleep peacefully, knowing "that the enemy will not pass" ... a rhetorical question - you don't have to answer !!! good
  31. Vadim Golubkov
    Vadim Golubkov 15 October 2020 18: 17 New
    +2
    In the 90s, I invested 2 vouchers in some Tyumen oil company, even opened a bank account, putting in 10 rubles to open an account, I even received letters that I was a shareholder of this company, I received letters with an invitation to a shareholders meeting several times. ... 10-12 years passed, I forgot, then I went out drinking beer with a friend, decided to drop in, find out how much dripped, thought to continue drinking with a friend, went in ... for 10-12 years there was accumulated on a bottle of beer like Klinsky. laughing
  32. Robinzon
    Robinzon 15 October 2020 18: 18 New
    +3
    The head of Rusnano Anatoly Chubais recently made a new scandalous statement

    It was enough for me in the 90s to hear ... to understand who he is in essence.

    He is in his hour ..
  33. Whirlwind
    Whirlwind 15 October 2020 18: 21 New
    +3
    One of the decrees of Peter the Great was a decree to Russian courts not to believe the testimony of oblique and red-haired witnesses ...
  34. Million
    Million 15 October 2020 18: 23 New
    +3
    It's not enough to strangle Matryona! (C)
  35. Petrograd
    Petrograd 15 October 2020 18: 34 New
    +2
    For a count of red infection
  36. impostor
    impostor 15 October 2020 18: 42 New
    +1
    Can be discussed ... but only after a personal reception by the military pennant Colonel Kvachkov
  37. Berkut154
    Berkut154 15 October 2020 18: 49 New
    +1
    I am ready to pay Chubais from his pension one cartridge from the PM !!!
    In fact, "not a ruble to him" I would say differently: not a penny !!!!
    In general, what the hell does the Supreme mean? To the wall and the case is over !!!! Moreover, the international situation allows!
    1. Rokambol
      Rokambol 15 October 2020 19: 11 New
      +2
      Quote: Berkut154
      I am ready to pay Chubais from his pension one cartridge from the PM !!!

      What more. Soap and rope. He does not deserve more.
  38. Rokambol
    Rokambol 15 October 2020 19: 09 New
    0
    Chubais conceived another scam.
    I recalled the joke:
    A popular folk curse word with the letters Y and Y?
    But they didn't guess: "Chubais"
  39. Kelwin
    Kelwin 15 October 2020 19: 27 New
    +1
    In the impudent red face, they have not yet gone for vouchers ... the time will come.
  40. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
    Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 15 October 2020 19: 31 New
    +2
    The investment idea is, of course, not so bad. Let's say in Norway - 66% in stocks, 27% in bonds, 7% in real estate. Assets per trillion. For each resident $ 200K. The yield is about 6% per year.
    But, given that we do not live in Norway, and the idea, albeit sensible, comes from this ginger watchdog, on which there is no place to put brands, then .....
  41. Cympak
    Cympak 15 October 2020 19: 33 New
    0
    What investments? If every 3-4 years the ruble exchange rate depreciates.
    Example: they took 1 million dollars, bought 33 ml. rubles, bought shares and / or invested in enterprises ... 6 years have passed ... Production and shares gave 5% profit per year, i.e. 33 million + 10 million = 44 million rubles. But at the current exchange rate, 44 million rubles. approximately equal to 500 thousand dollars. These are the investments. Does anybody want?
  42. Lesorub
    Lesorub 15 October 2020 19: 53 New
    +2
    Chubais to risk pensions for investment

    Chubais will continue to spew his "ideas" - while he is well "covered" both inside the country and by Western partners.
  43. maiman61
    maiman61 15 October 2020 20: 03 New
    +2
    Who will give money to a swindler! Except another rogue!
    1. Artyom Volgin
      Artyom Volgin 15 October 2020 20: 18 New
      +6
      They allocate finances from the budget for his "ideas" ...
  44. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 15 October 2020 20: 07 New
    +1
    Will it only bring real benefits to the country, and not to individual state structures or their leaders? - the question is open.

    The question is rhetorical, i.e. not requiring an answer. request
  45. fif21
    fif21 15 October 2020 20: 09 New
    +1
    Whatever fell into the hands of the redhead is gone! wassat I remember that for the construction of the Zeyskaya hydroelectric power station, he raised the electricity tariff throughout the Russian Federation. HPP was built, but forgot to lower the tariff lol This is true, by the way. hi
  46. Clear
    Clear 15 October 2020 20: 15 New
    +4
    From nanotechnology to nanoConstitutions - one Chubais.
  47. Ronald Reagan
    Ronald Reagan 15 October 2020 20: 35 New
    -3
    They've gone too far and that's enough, and the people will support Anatoly Borisovich. good
  48. Clear
    Clear 15 October 2020 20: 43 New
    +3
    Even such luminaries as Chubais have eclipses yes
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  50. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 15 October 2020 20: 55 New
    +3
    Under the Tsar, they would have been impaled a long time ago.