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Kyrgyzstan: search for new forms of state organization

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The war in the South Caucasus somehow pushed another important event for Russia from the front pages of information resources - the next revolution in Kyrgyzstan. More and more often I hear the words that everything has calmed down there, the protesters have won, and now the president and the new government are rebuilding the state administration system.


A new government has been appointed. The President controls the political situation. The security forces and the army maintain order in the capital. The protests are held in a peaceful manner and are no longer as numerous and aggressive as in the early days. Simply put, revolutionary fervor and craving for destruction pass. The leaders of the protest agreed to negotiate peacefully, without blood and armed confrontation.

The revolution has a beginning, the revolution has no end


If we look at what is happening in Kyrgyzstan superficially, without delving into the essence of the processes, the impression will be created that the president and the parliament of the republic managed to bring down the activity of the radicals. Moreover, their "banners" were knocked out of the protesters' hands. The basic requirements have been met. The voting results were canceled. The prime minister was a man who was released from prison by the radicals.

One circumstance spoils the beautiful picture. Rebellion never ends with a simple change of personalities in power structures. It always has a continuation. The winners take revenge on the vanquished. The terror begins. Somewhere it takes radical forms, when political opponents are physically destroyed, somewhere opponents are simply hidden in prisons and camps, thereby excluding them from the political life of the country.

Personally, I have no doubt that the protesters who forced the Central Election Commission and the parliament of Kyrgyzstan to recognize the elections as invalid, forced the president and parliament to accept their terms of the game, will not stop there. The next target will clearly be the president and the Jogorku Kenesh. The deputies and Sooronbai Jeenbekov will not be saved by the concessions they have made. It seems to me that these demands are just a matter of time.

What has already been done by the president and the government of the republic


First of all, the issue of the departure of the President of Kyrgyzstan has already been launched into society by the new Prime Minister Sadyr Zhaparov, approved by the parliament. As I understand it, there was no conversation between the president and the prime minister on this matter. Japarov simply put the question in the form of an ultimatum. If you do not quote the new head of government, but simply voice his thought, it turns out that the government gives Jeenbekov three days to voluntarily resign.

Three days and guarantees that, unlike other former presidents, he is guaranteed the status of "former president". Moreover, Jeenbekov himself declared his readiness to resign after the stabilization of the situation in the country. Translated into common language, this sounds like a proposal for an alternative: either you leave yourself and receive all the benefits due to the former president and guarantees of personal safety, or in three days you will be swept away by popular anger and it is not known how it will end for you.

It was interesting for me to observe the president's reaction to this statement by the prime minister. The East is not only a dark matter, but also quite ornate. After all, it was he who recommended Japarov for the post of prime minister. From the point of view of a European, the prime minister should be Jeenbekov's man. The answer came from the press service of the Kyrgyz president. Press secretary Tolgonai Stamalieva voiced the president's response:

“Yes, Sooronbai Jeenbekov announced that he would step down as president of the country, but we do not understand what three days Sadyr Zhaparov and his supporters are talking about ... the press service of the head of state did not indicate a specific date and day of resignation.”


There is one more fact that people in Bishkek prefer not to mention. And there are almost no reports about this in our media. Supporters of the new prime minister have a negative attitude towards Russian-speaking journalists. It is said in plain text that Russian journalists biasedly cover the events and actions of the Protestants. It is becoming unsafe to work in Bishkek.

The country is in a very difficult economic situation. The program to fight the coronavirus has practically failed. Guest workers who came from Russia simply have nowhere to work and earn money. And the Kyrgyz want to “save the picture”. At least the semblance of the fact that the next riot is just a "private affair" of the Kirghiz. And journalists are very bad helpers in this matter.

Probably, there is a rational grain in this. Considering that the "popular revolt" is not so disinterested. Ordinary bandit raids, robbery, theft and looting are covered with beautiful slogans about freedom and happiness for the people. At the beginning of the events, I wrote about the Jerooy gold deposit owned by a Russian company. Events there are developing just according to the scenario of the usual bandit raid. According to the head of the International Business Council Askar Sydykov, as a result of the riots and raids of looters, the enterprise suffered damage in the amount of $ 20 million (1 billion 545 million rubles).

It's not over yet


The calm prevailing in the information space regarding the events in Bishkek is deceptive. The silence that reigns today in the Kyrgyz capital is based on the presence of a huge number of security officials and the Kyrgyz army. The reasons that caused popular unrest in the past are not eliminated. I will say more: the new Kyrgyz government, like the previous ones, is withdrawing itself from solving economic and social problems, international and ethnic issues.

I have counted the number of popular unrest, riots, protests that shook the land of Kyrgyzstan in the 21st century. According to my calculations, the last excitement - "anniversary", tenth. A sort of gloomy anniversary of the struggle for the chimera of the power of the people. In order not to be unfounded, I will give a list of worries. Perhaps I am missing something.

17.03.2002/XNUMX/XNUMX: Aksy events. Shooting of a demonstration in the village of Bospiek, Aksy District, Jalal-Abad Region.

January 8.01.2005, XNUMX. Pickets in front of the parliament building in support of the candidate Roza Otunbayeva and against the candidate, the daughter of President Akaev, Bermet Akaeva.

4-5.03.2005. Protests in Osh and Jalal-Abad against the results of parliamentary elections.

14.03.2005/XNUMX/XNUMX Protests in Osh, Uzgen, Alai, Jalal-Abad, Bazar-Korgon, Kochkor, Tash-Kumyr against the results of the parliamentary elections.

24.03-11.04. 2005 year. Tulip revolution, overthrow of Askar Akayev.

April 7.04.2010, XNUMX. Overthrow of President Bakiyev.

10-14.06.2010. Inter-ethnic clashes in the south of Kyrgyzstan between Kyrgyz and Uzbeks.

10.04.2014/XNUMX/XNUMX. Protests against the sale of Kyrgyz airports to Russia. Demanding the resignation of President Atambayev.

7-8.08.2019. The storming of the residence of the former President Atambayev and his arrest.

5-6.10.2020. Protests against the results of the parliamentary elections. Declaration of elections invalid, resignation of the government.

The statehood of Kyrgyzstan is still at the stage of formation, or rather, the search for an acceptable form of government. That is why the events taking place now are not the last.
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  1. parusnik
    parusnik 16 October 2020 05: 58
    +7
    The statehood of Kyrgyzstan is still at the stage of formation, or rather, the search for an acceptable form of government. That is why the events taking place now are not the last.
    .... This is natural, but as a result, extreme nationalists and far from being friends of Russia will come to power.
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 16 October 2020 06: 05
      +1
      I agree.
      And noticed - earlier the author about the events asked.
      Now - to him they say.
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 16 October 2020 06: 25
        +4
        Now - they tell him ...
        .. laughing good
        1. Gubernia
          Gubernia 16 October 2020 20: 56
          -2
          Quote: parusnik
          Now - they tell him ...
          .. laughing good

          I support Alexey! How fast everything is changing .. At first, one is now drumming into the other. hi wink
    2. Pessimist22
      Pessimist22 16 October 2020 06: 08
      +6
      This is a Bai showdown, and they have to either be friends with Russia or with China, there are no other options, well, or slide into the 19th century.
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 16 October 2020 06: 23
        +6
        Bai will choose a richer one with a stable economy and good transport logistics and nothing personal, just business ...
      2. Selevc
        Selevc 16 October 2020 13: 54
        +3
        Quote: Pessimist22
        This is a Bai showdown, and they have to either be friends with Russia or with China, there are no other options, well, or slide into the 19th century.

        Are you sure that they will slide into the 19th century? And not in the 12th? It seems to me that in the Soviet era it was artificially raised from the era of early feudalism to socialism ... Now spontaneous processes of the republic's return to early feudalism are taking place !!!

        After all, these terrible Russians came to Kyrgyzstan under the even more terrible Stalin to build factories, schools, hospitals and stadiums there !!!
        1. paul3390
          paul3390 16 October 2020 16: 16
          +3
          In general, this is one of the global mistakes of the Soviet regime, which eventually led to its collapse. Attempts to forcibly drag peoples who are almost at the tribal level into socialism bypassing all the intermediate stages by the collar .. Alas, it’s not a channel, everyone must walk this road independently ..
    3. Lynx2000
      Lynx2000 16 October 2020 07: 45
      +4
      Quote: parusnik
      The statehood of Kyrgyzstan is still at the stage of formation, or rather, the search for an acceptable form of government. That is why the events taking place now are not the last.
      .... This is natural, but as a result, extreme nationalists and far from being friends of Russia will come to power.


      For the author: the form of government is prescribed in the main law of the state - the Constitution.
      Presidential or parliamentary (the head of state is the prime minister).
      It seems that things are moving towards a constitutional khanate, that is, a monarchy.
      The main player and beneficiary in Central Asia now is China. Even "sultan" Erdogan is behaving prudently in this region.
      Relatively recently, in Kazakhstan, like in Kyrgyzstan, there were protests against "Chinese capital", they say, everything was bought by the Chinese.

      Previously, Frunze was a beautiful city, often, twice a month, they traveled from Alma-Ata (moved here, went to first grade).
    4. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 16 October 2020 10: 07
      +4
      In the entire post-Soviet space, in practice, this happens, and, moreover, imperceptibly, so that over time it will order.
      Quote: parusnik
      The statehood of Kyrgyzstan is still at the stage of formation, or rather, the search for an acceptable form of government. That is why the events taking place now are not the last.
      .... This is natural, but as a result, extreme nationalists and far from being friends of Russia will come to power.
    5. paul3390
      paul3390 16 October 2020 16: 13
      +1
      Is it really that bad? Maybe - at least this alignment will force our leadership to finally abandon the mass import of Kyrgyz to Russia ..
  2. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 16 October 2020 06: 06
    +7
    Kyrgyzstan: search for new forms of state organization
    Judging by what is happening there with regular frequency, then you can forget about the state and return to what was before the revolution - nomadic cattle breeding (no offense to the Kyrgyz, but they themselves go to this). Each village has its own boss, cities for communication with the outside world and trade among themselves. Well, how can you constantly overthrow, smash, rob someone? Clans are in your first place, so live in clans, divided into north and south with their capitals.
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 16 October 2020 10: 11
      +4
      ...... how can you constantly check someone, thunder and darkness, rob? ......
      am Yes Easy! Do you need to take money somewhere? And you can't think of another. ((Sarcasm))
      1. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 16 October 2020 10: 15
        +1
        Actually, I have written
        Well how can you constantly someone overthrow, smash, plunder?
        and for some reason you brought it as a quote from a comment
        how can someone constantly compare, thunder and darkness, rob?
        Is that sarcasm too?
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 16 October 2020 12: 38
          +4
          hi I didn’t want to ----- mistakes! I wrote several times here ---- the network is not working well Several times there were ugliness, sometimes I managed to fix it. And now the master just came, and I did not have time to check it, because I was typing, checking with your words.
    2. paul3390
      paul3390 16 October 2020 16: 19
      0
      They had their own, completely customary for them, forms of statehood - the Horde or the Kaganate there .. Why torture people, forcibly instilling in them a type of democracy? Or is it even more trenchant - socialism? They are about 500 years old to develop as a people ..
  3. Sayan
    Sayan 16 October 2020 06: 33
    +4
    Yes, they have a national fun. Fussing for a few resources, between the southern and northern clans, in a couple of years, everything will be repeated
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 16 October 2020 07: 23
      +5
      Quote: Sayan
      in a couple of years, everything will be repeated

      In school years, they said: "take the same little and take the revolution"! Well, and advise before the new elections to hold a children's drawing competition "My beloved oligarch" in Dnipro.
      Children from 6 to 14 years old are invited to participate.
      “The purpose of the competition is to show gratitude to the oligarchs. We owe them for many years the development of our economy, raising the image of Ukraine and preserving natural resources! " ㅡ noted by the organizers of the event
      .
      Just replace the word "oligarch" with the word "buy" and it will immediately become clear who to choose next.
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 16 October 2020 10: 21
        +5
        ..... thanks to the oligarchs ..... we owe them. .....
        hi Dear Elena, you shouldn't have told about this. We will probably try so hard now. Everything goes to this when they say that everyone needs to unite and the phrase hangs in the air, because it is clear that the oligarchs and the population do not want to unite. And now suddenly there will be a continuation --- thank
        laughing wassat if only the children would draw more terrible faces with their children's pens !!
        Best regards hi
  4. Far B
    Far B 16 October 2020 06: 50
    +4
    That's it, Jeenbekov ended. Yesterday I resigned. Did the author oversleep this moment?
    1. 72jora72
      72jora72 16 October 2020 07: 26
      +1
      That's it, Jeenbekov ended. Yesterday I resigned. Did the author oversleep this moment?
      And Russia stopped economic aid ...
    2. Pilot
      Pilot 16 October 2020 07: 29
      +1
      Did the author oversleep this moment?
      The customer was silent. Such a bitch did not report laughing
      Guest workers who came from Russia simply have nowhere to work and earn ...
      Considering that the "popular revolt" is not so disinterested. Ordinary bandit raids, robbery, theft and looting are covered with beautiful slogans about freedom and happiness for the people.
      Here are some scoundrels, they should not decide the question of their own survival, but continue to bow to the fat baiy who drove them into such conditions.))) Staver, you are our fortress-bearer, or are there beggars robbing beggars ??? belay
      1. Far B
        Far B 16 October 2020 07: 52
        -1
        Staver, you are our fortress
        Please be understanding ... The author for the second article in a row does not mention the Name of the One Who Cannot Be Named. There is a suspicion that embarked on the path of correction and cooperation with the administration began to suspect something. Or eyes are cut. Although, of course, such weak suspicions, unreliable, but still.
        1. Pilot
          Pilot 16 October 2020 08: 36
          +1
          Empty hopes, he once had a gesheft from the sale of his homeland (he himself spoke here for the USSR) and really does not want to take away the American jeans with chewing gum by hard labor laughing Hence the clamps in all his articles, so ... No.
    3. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 16 October 2020 18: 17
      +2
      Quote: Far In
      That's it, Jeenbekov ended. Yesterday I resigned. Did the author oversleep this moment?

      Well, maybe the article was typeset the day before, but while it entered the site, Jeenbekov "ended". It was in the USSR that everyone knew what would happen in a month, but now you yourself understand, it is difficult to predict even what will happen tomorrow. There is now one Japarov for everyone "working". He is the prime minister, he is also the acting president, despite the fact that he was a prisoner yesterday. Russia, having looked at this clowning, decided for the time being to suspend financial support to Kyrgyzstan in all directions and to observe who there in this, rapidly losing statehood, sandbox will eventually become the chief combatant. In general, we live in an amazing time when you can watch online how people are purposefully fighting to worsen their own situation.
  5. Lara Croft
    Lara Croft 16 October 2020 07: 45
    +1
    at the beginning of the events he wrote about the Jerooy gold deposit owned by a Russian company. Events there are developing exactly according to the scenario of the usual bandit raid. According to the head of the International Business Council Askar Sydykov, as a result of the riots and raids of marauders the enterprise suffered damage in the amount of $ 20 million (1 billion 545 million rubles).

    I'm more interested in this ....
    In Kyrgyzstan, looters seized the Jerooy gold deposit of the Alliance Altyn company. About 500 people set fire to and plundered the enterprise, Interfax writes.
    The company suspended work until the situation stabilized, and employees were allowed to go home, according to Economist.kg. Jerooy is the second largest gold deposit in Kyrgyzstan. At the Zhamgyr field, local residents tried to take employees hostage and threatened them with reprisals.

    https://lenta.ru/news/2020/10/06/zaxvat/
    I think what is happening at the said enterprise is in no way connected with the events in Bishkek, a raider seizure of the enterprise is taking place, for its subsequent transfer to another investor ...
    Soft squeezing of Russia from the Jerooy gold deposit

    https://www.gumilev-center.ru/myagkoe-vydavlivanie-rossii-s-zolotorudnogo-mestorozhdeniya-dzherujj/
    The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation does not care about Russian business in Kyrgyzstan (which owes its death to the Russian Federation), just as something is not heard exclamations of indignation from the Chamber of Commerce and Industry of the Russian Federation ...
    Why the hell is it with such a country in some international organizations and give it loans if the economic interests of the Russian Federation are not protected on the territory of Kyrgyzstan ...?
    1. Humpty
      Humpty 16 October 2020 09: 40
      +1
      Quote: Lara Croft
      I think what is happening at the said enterprise is in no way connected with the events in Bishkek, a raider seizure of the enterprise is taking place, for its subsequent transfer to another investor ...

      The coup is directly related to the attacks on the mines. Something like this "Larisa".
  6. Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 16 October 2020 07: 56
    +2
    [b
    ] The statehood of Kyrgyzstan is still at the stage of formation
    [/ b] And not only in Kyrgyzstan, this process is going on throughout the territory of the former USSR.
  7. thinker
    thinker 16 October 2020 09: 08
    +1
    the government gives Jeenbekov three days to retire voluntarily.
    The article was clearly delayed. The parliament has already accepted Jeenbekov's resignation, and the speaker of the parliament, Kanat Isaev, resigned from the powers of acting head of state in favor of Prime Minister Sadyr Japarov. Now all power is in the hands of one person. Calm and does not smell. request
  8. Slon_on
    Slon_on 16 October 2020 09: 36
    +1
    If the Kyrgyz, bypassing feudalism, capitalism immediately jumped into socialism, and then back to capitalism, then it is logical for them to live under feudalism. Do not stamp on the same tribal relations. And not willing to smack kamcha.
  9. iouris
    iouris 16 October 2020 11: 14
    +1
    What search? I beg you ... It will be the same. I suppose that "sovereign Kyrgyzstan" has already gained credits (from China), landmarks have been lost, and the money has long been spent.
  10. fiberboard
    fiberboard 16 October 2020 12: 00
    +1
    The Soviet Union taught people to a certain standard of living. After the collapse of the USSR, the standard of living fell dramatically everywhere. But if the Old Man in Belarus managed to maintain production, and Russia, with the departure of the EBN, began to slowly but surely climb out, then Central Asia could not do this. The Russians were kicked out on the wave of nationalism and there were no specialists left. And the Kyrgyz, like the Armenians, have nothing of value. There are no funds left to maintain the desired standard of living. And in the past centuries there was one method of improving the standard of living - robbery. Now this method is not possible. So they rob themselves with an ever increasing frequency. A huge part of the Kirghiz moved to Russia, riding the markets, trade in things. See how many of them are in Krasnoyarsk in the markets. These are not highly qualified specialists. Several years ago they were chased by men in Abaza when they tried to make a mess in the forest. So there is only one conclusion: we do not want to work, we want to live well, no matter at whose expense. So further, the republic will also shake, the revolutions will not end, there will be disintegration into khanates and beks.
    1. iouris
      iouris 16 October 2020 13: 15
      +2
      Quote: fiberboard
      But if the Old Man in Belarus managed to maintain production, and Russia, with the departure of the EBN, began to slowly but surely climb out, then Central Asia could not do this.

      The conclusion is not correct, as are the reasons. The degradation of the USSR continues and has brought the Soviet people and Russian civilization to the last line. At least, quite a few experts think so. But only the drumbeat of propaganda is heard.
    2. Selevc
      Selevc 16 October 2020 13: 32
      0
      Quote: fiberboard
      The Soviet Union taught people to a certain standard of living.

      Yes, in this you are right - but when you say a you need to say and b in the same way. In the former USSR, both at the state level and at the level of the republics, there was one and the same phenomenon - the people lived by themselves; the authorities lived by themselves !!! See how the authorities live in any of the former republics of the USSR ??? !!! Yes, they, as they were cut off from the people, remain completely cut off !!!

      And in order to plunge any of the former republics of the USSR into chaos, it is necessary to demolish its top - that is, to disperse the power !! This is exactly what the Maidans and color revolutions do !!!
      All the color revolutions of recent years - they follow one general pattern - their main task is to plunge the countries (republics of the former USSR) into chaos !!!
    3. paul3390
      paul3390 16 October 2020 16: 22
      +1
      A classical maxim on this score was formulated 20 years ago by an old Kyrgyz woman: "Rus eats - eats eats, Urus net - eats net"..
      1. Tank hard
        Tank hard 18 October 2020 13: 12
        0
        Quote: paul3390
        A classic maxim on this score was formulated 20 years ago by an old Kyrgyz woman:

        No, the Kyrgyz do not formulate it that way. When they began to seize fertile land in the suburbs of Bishkek, for the construction of private shacks and squatters with women at the head came out with their usual requirements, such as - build roads, build schools, build hospitals, run electricity, provide heat, they were asked in surprise what they actually will do, except for the seizure of fertile land for building, the women answered them, "How is that? We will give birth !!!" Since then, the population of this republic has grown steadily. request
    4. Andrei Nikolaevich
      Andrei Nikolaevich 17 October 2020 19: 01
      0
      Fiberboard, why only "robbery"? You have forgotten about simple and "reliable" theft. For example, Ukraine has been plundering the Soviet legacy for the entire 27 years of its independence. Now, there is already nothing to steal. That's "rEvolution".)
  11. CommanderDIVA
    CommanderDIVA 16 October 2020 14: 23
    0
    The people will get tired of one-day presidents, some representative of Islamic fundamentalism will appear, and at the suggestion of the Washington regional committee, supporters of radical movements in Islam will come to power in the country, there the militants from among the Kyrgyz who have passed through Syria and Iraq will catch up, here is a new hotbed of instability for our borders and the threat to our military facilities in this country
  12. kriten
    kriten 16 October 2020 15: 00
    0
    With the tribal structure of the population and inter-tribal struggle, the creation of a single one is possible only with the emergence of a strong leader and the coercion of the rest. Then it is possible to create a general council of tribes, with an approved representation (according to the current parliament) and no elections. everything is determined on the spot by the leaders of individual tribes, and the general policy is determined by the strongest leader ...
  13. Nikolai Petrov
    Nikolai Petrov 16 October 2020 16: 28
    +1
    We should act with them, as they did with the Russians in the late 80s, early 90s. And then they would quickly figure out how it is without Big Brother. Well, call us, wild capitalism arr. 1600-1700 Profit comes first. Then I will be banned.
  14. Gubernia
    Gubernia 16 October 2020 21: 01
    -2
    The statehood of Kyrgyzstan is still at the stage of formation, or rather, the search for an acceptable form of government. That is why the events taking place now are not the last.

    That would be so in Russia angry ..I correctly Staver and Roman understood you from this article?
    You’ve been doing this on the site since 2015-16.
    You are not doing badly, many were cleaned out tolerantly
  15. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 17 October 2020 18: 58
    0
    At least the Kyrgyz do not wear pots on their heads or jump. And thanks for that ....)
  16. Tank hard
    Tank hard 18 October 2020 13: 34
    0
    The protests are held in a peaceful manner and are no longer as numerous and aggressive as in the early days.

    Duc, it's getting colder, however ... request
    [QuoteThe prime minister was a man who was released from prison by the radicals.] [/ Quote]
    Can you imagine a country where an individual with a similar biography will be president ?!
    What is it ?!
    During one of the rallies for the nationalization of Kumtor in the fall of 2012, protesters tried to take over the White House in Bishkek. Tashiev and Japarov were charged under Article 295 of the Criminal Code of the Kyrgyz Republic "Forcible seizure of power or forcible retention of power." In March 2013, the Pervomaisky District Court of Bishkek found them guilty and sentenced them to one year and six months in prison. But in June 2013, the Bishkek City Court acquitted the politicians and released them in the courtroom. [2]

    On June 27, 2013, during the protests against Kumtor in Karakol (the regional center of Issyk-Kul), protesters tried to take the governor of the region, Emilbek Kaptagayev, hostage. The government accused Sadyr Japarov and Kubanychbek Kadyrov of organizing this. The protest leaders were detained, but Sadyr Japarov, who denies his involvement, left the country. [1]

    In emigration he lived for some time in Cyprus [3].

    In 2017, he tried to return to Kyrgyzstan. On March 25, 2017, he was detained at the Kyrgyz-Kazakh border. In the case of taking hostage Emilbek Kaptagaev was sentenced to 11 years and 6 months in prison

    wassat
    The country is in a very difficult economic situation

    This is very mildly said, I remember even before 2005 the US partners wanted to introduce "external management" for the "economic success" of the country, however, then it did not grow together. repeat
    The program to combat the coronavirus has practically failed.
    What program are you talking about? There really are no traveling doctors (very few) and the health care system. All programs are invented to justify the money taken away by their own people.
    It's not over yet

    As soon as it ceases to be a country (and everything goes to that), then it will end. request