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"Calm" against "Progress": frigate "Admiral Grigorovich" repelled the attack of the DBK "Utyos"

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"Calm" against "Progress": frigate "Admiral Grigorovich" repelled the attack of the DBK "Utyos"

The Black Sea Fleet conducted exercises with the participation of the Utes coastal missile system and the Admiral Grigorovich Black Sea Fleet frigate. According to the press service of the Black Sea Fleet, during the drawing of the scenario, the Utes DBK fired a Progress missile at the frigate, which was successfully hit by the ship's RK Shtil.


During the exercise, the crew of the Utes missile complex discovered the Admiral Grigorovich frigate and fired a Progress missile at it. At a distance of more than 10 km, the missile was detected by the ship's air defenses and destroyed by the Shtil missile system. The area where the live firing was carried out was previously closed to navigation

- says the message of the Black Sea Fleet.

It should be noted that the use of the Utes coastal missile system in joint exercises with live firing is far from the first. Last year, a similar scenario was played out with the participation of the frigate "Admiral Makarov".

Coastal missile system "Utes" (in the years of the USSR "Object-100", or "weaving") was created in 1957 in the area of ​​Cape Aya. Transferred to the Ukrainian Navy after the collapse of the USSR, the complex, consisting of two divisions, fell into disrepair: one division was mothballed, the second completely fell into a sky-ready state. Restoration work began in 2014, immediately after the reunification of the peninsula with Russia. The readiness of the Utes to defend the Crimean coast was confirmed by successful missile launches during the exercises.

Created back in Soviet times, the Utyos complex is equipped with P-35 anti-ship cruise missiles with a firing range of up to 300 km, and since 1982 with a modification of this extended-range Progress missile. However, these missiles are already outdated. As stated at the end of August last year, the general director - general designer of NPO Mashinostroyenia Alexander Leonov, in the future the complex will be re-equipped with another modern missile. The timing of the rearmament and the missiles for which the complex will be rearmed has not yet been reported.

The flight range of the anti-ship missile Progress is up to 460 km. The Cliff complex is also used to launch target missiles.
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  1. rocket757
    rocket757 15 October 2020 11: 36
    +9
    It's hard to learn, easy to fight!
    The army will fight no better than it is prepared.
    1. Interlocutor
      Interlocutor 15 October 2020 11: 39
      +9
      The army will fight no better than it is prepared.

      That's for sure ... Either he will learn in battle ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 15 October 2020 11: 53
        +4
        Quote: Interlocutor
        Or he will learn in battle ...

        In battle, you will apply what you have taught! But even new things that appear in the process cannot be abandoned, because you cannot foresee everything!
    2. ancient
      ancient 15 October 2020 11: 43
      13
      Quote: rocket757
      It's hard to learn, easy to fight!

      Yes drinks .... I just didn't understand anything .... request according to the scenario "adversary" is a frigate, and "our" is a BRK .. so?
      the frigate "attacks" our territory, and the DBK protects it by releasing anti-ship missiles ..... which is successfully hit by the ship's air defense missile system "supstata" .... wassat
      How then to be with the conclusion .. this " fellow - articles" -..."The readiness of the" Cliff "to protect the Crimean coast ........confirmed by successful missile launches during the exercise. "
      belay request recourse sad
      1. loki565
        loki565 15 October 2020 11: 46
        16
        Rather, these anti-ship missiles are outdated and are used as targets in exercises, last year there was something similar)))
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 15 October 2020 12: 01
          +4
          This is standard practice. Outdated equipment is used to improve the new and train personnel of the subunits!
          1. loki565
            loki565 15 October 2020 12: 07
            +2
            Perhaps it is imitated by a fighter, according to EPR it is in the F16 region, or less. What's the point of just writing off missiles if you can still use them, it's interesting to shoot warheads from them or are they bullet like that?)))
            1. Alex777
              Alex777 15 October 2020 13: 50
              +1
              They will shoot the Progress stock during the exercises - they will put the Zircons.
              And hello to all the Straits. And those that are, and those who only want to build. bully
              The "heavy" Zircon (with a more powerful starting booster) flies 1000 km EMNIP. hi
          2. ancient
            ancient 15 October 2020 15: 14
            +1
            Quote: rocket757
            This is standard practice. Outdated equipment is used to improve the new and train personnel of the subunits!

            Yes ... one side always trains, to practice practical skills ... but here it is specific - "... According to the press service of the Black Sea Fleet, during the drawing of the scenario, the Utes DBK fired a Progress missile at the frigate, which was successfully hit by the ship's Calm RC .."
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 15 October 2020 15: 38
              +1
              It is then right, why train the calculations of installations, which are now only suitable for the target. But, there is no useless training. Everything goes to the master's box.
              I'm just considering the option when the strongest can win, and not the one who should. The loser will have a reason to improve their skills. Something like this.
              1. ancient
                ancient 15 October 2020 15: 44
                +1
                Quote: rocket757
                I'm just considering the option when the strongest can win, and not the one who should. The loser will have a reason to improve their skills. Something like this.

                Agree drinks
        2. Bersaglieri
          Bersaglieri 16 October 2020 10: 39
          0
          Quite right. There are still a lot of "progress" in storage, so to carry out utilization by launching as a target.
      2. LiSiCyn
        LiSiCyn 15 October 2020 11: 58
        +6
        Quote: ancient
        The readiness of the "Utes" to defend the Crimean coast ........ was confirmed by successful missile launches during exercises. "

        These were other teachings ... wink The fact that the rocket flew in general, and even at the target, can be considered successful. There, one might say, some premises remained. Everything was plundered. The object was practically not guarded by the Ukrainians, the "guards" themselves cut off all the blooms.
        Quote: ancient
        I just didn't understand anything ...

        Calm experienced. And he confirmed his characteristics.
        1. ancient
          ancient 15 October 2020 15: 19
          -2
          Quote: LiSiCyn
          Calm experienced. And he confirmed his characteristics.

          If you wrote ..... "practiced" then okay ... but .. tried it ??? On such a huge and relatively slow-moving target ???? wassat
      3. rocket757
        rocket757 15 October 2020 11: 59
        +1
        Quote: ancient
        according to the scenario "adversary" is a frigate, and "our" is a BRK .. so?

        In battle, you have to complete different tasks! If not the red ones win, OUR, but the blue ones, the "aggressor", it is also USEFUL !!! means "aggressor" has mastered military science better or technique, training, ours do not have ICE !!!
        They will give out to everyone what they deserve ... to whom the zvizdyuley, and to whom the awards !!!
        There are no useless teachings, even when everything goes wrong!
        The main thing is that the correct conclusions were made and the actions, measures, carried out, were necessary!
      4. venik
        venik 15 October 2020 12: 04
        +6
        Quote: ancient
        So yes, drinks .... just didn't understand anything .... request according to the scenario "adversary" is a frigate, and "our" is a DBK .. so?

        ========
        No, not really! According to the scenario, the DBK should detect the target (or get an external control center), launch and aim the missile at the target (this should confirm the combat readiness of the complex), and the frigate should practice repelling an attack from the shore! Those. confirm readiness to repel an anti-ship missile attack.
        Some work out the attack - the other side is its reflection. The only way!
        1. ancient
          ancient 15 October 2020 15: 24
          -1
          Quote: venik
          According to the scenario, DBK detect a target (or get an external control center),

          If the launch is at a distance, then only the external control center .. this is once .. secondly .... a single ship, without countermeasures by means of electronic warfare ... the task is easy.
          Well, to get the frigate into a single, non-maneuvering target ... it's not difficult ... as in a shooting range wink
          1. venik
            venik 15 October 2020 15: 48
            +4
            Quote: ancient
            single ship, without counteraction by means of electronic warfare.

            =====
            But this is just not known ... Maybe they just were? request
            --------
            Quote: ancient
            Well, to get the frigate into a single, non-maneuvering target ... it's not difficult ... as in a shooting range

            ======
            Uh-huh! "Sheffield" also seemed to "have no difficulty" getting into a single, not maneuvering "Exocet" ...... Got it?
            1. ancient
              ancient 15 October 2020 17: 27
              +1
              Quote: venik
              ... Maybe they were?

              Then they would trumpet from all angles - "in a difficult radio situation and creating interference to opponents ... and so on."
              Quote: venik
              not maneuvering "Exocet" ...... Got it?

              Oops ... "we came around the corner ..." wassat .... start range remember wink
              1. venik
                venik 15 October 2020 17: 44
                +1
                Quote: ancient
                Oops ... "we came from around the corner ..." wassat .... the launch range, remember

                ======
                They also say: "The arctic fox crept up unnoticed ...." wassat ... I remember by chance - approx. 35 km! yes
      5. Jacket in stock
        Jacket in stock 15 October 2020 12: 22
        +3
        Quote: ancient
        How then to be with the conclusion ..this "- article" -... "The readiness of the" Cliff "to protect the coast of Crimea ........ was confirmed

        But yes, an interesting question.
        How can the complex, the missiles of which go down so easily, help to protect the coast?

        It's a mystery to me at all, if there really was everything taken apart, why it was restored to its original state.
        Wasn't it easier to immediately install launchers for new missiles?
      6. novel66
        novel66 15 October 2020 12: 28
        +4
        But I have another question, what if there were two missiles? at a distance of 10 km? would you be in time?
        1. prodi
          prodi 15 October 2020 16: 32
          0
          especially if you let them get closer to each other in tandem?
        2. venik
          venik 15 October 2020 18: 49
          0
          Quote: novel xnumx
          but I have another question, but if there were missiles two? at a distance of 10 km? would you be in time?

          =======
          SAM "Shtil" can simultaneously shell from 2 to 12 goals. Thanks to the TLU, each missile can be launched every 1-2 seconds.
          Calculations:
          Initial data: P-15 speed - 500 m / s; The working time of the Shtil air defense missile system is 5-10 sec., The minimum firing range is 2.5 km. Rate of fire 1-2 sec.
          It turns out that from the moment of detection until the moment of opening fire, the rocket will fly 5 km and will be 5 km from the target. Ie stay within the reach (2.5 - 5 km) for 5 seconds. It turns out that "Calm" during this time will have time to release 3 rockets... If you take 5 seconds, and the rate of fire is 1 sec. - then 11 missiles. But this is a "bare theory" (or rather - "theorizing") ... But how in practice request This can only be said participants in the exercise.
          1. Kostya Lavinyukov
            Kostya Lavinyukov 16 October 2020 01: 47
            0
            Are you sure of the given characteristics of the P-15?
            1. venik
              venik 16 October 2020 11: 49
              0
              Quote: Kostya Lavinyukov
              Are you sure of the given characteristics of the P-15?

              ======
              H-ki P-35, just by mistake typed P-15! Sorry!
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          2. Bersaglieri
            Bersaglieri 16 October 2020 10: 41
            0
            P-35 (more precisely, 3M44), not P-15. P-15 is "Termite"
            1. venik
              venik 16 October 2020 11: 48
              +1
              Quote: Bersaglieri
              P-35 (more precisely, 3M44), not P-15. P-15 is "Termite"

              =======
              Sorry! "Ochepyatka" is out! Instead of P-35, I printed P-15! hi
    3. max702
      max702 15 October 2020 12: 06
      +2
      Interestingly, if you replace launchers and missiles with "Zircon", then really sending the fleet to the Black Sea loses all meaning .. And to those who write that they will first destroy this object, since its coordinates have long been known, I will answer so in this case, the objects of the country that tried do this, since the coordinates of the objects of THIS country are also well known ..
      1. novel66
        novel66 15 October 2020 12: 29
        +2
        so it seems there is an umbrella
      2. Bersaglieri
        Bersaglieri 16 October 2020 14: 19
        0
        There is enough "Bastion" - it shoots to Istanbul :)
        1. max702
          max702 17 October 2020 00: 04
          0
          Bastion may be shot down. but Zircon ...
  2. Proxima
    Proxima 15 October 2020 11: 38
    10
    It would be interesting to observe if the "Cliff" fired 5 - 6 missiles into the frigate, because in real combat operations one missile would certainly not have been enough.
    1. Alien From
      Alien From 15 October 2020 11: 42
      +5
      And here I agree. Hopefully not shooting for show.
    2. Grandfather
      Grandfather 15 October 2020 11: 56
      +2
      Quote: Proxima
      It would be interesting to watch if "Utes" fired 5 - 6 missiles into the frigate

      so we have few frigates ... request
    3. LiSiCyn
      LiSiCyn 15 October 2020 12: 02
      +6
      Quote: Proxima
      It would be interesting to observe if "Utes" fired 5 - 6 missiles into the frigate,

      2 installations, 2 missiles. Then, a fairly long recharge. hi
      1. novel66
        novel66 15 October 2020 12: 29
        +4
        somehow crap, it won't be enough
        1. LiSiCyn
          LiSiCyn 15 October 2020 12: 48
          +5
          Rearmament is planned. The complex is actually good, it was created taking into account the use of nuclear weapons. The filling should be changed to Onyx.
          Greetings, Roman. hi
          1. novel66
            novel66 15 October 2020 13: 07
            +1
            ours to you! hi you need a drum, like on the MC and more !!!
          2. Bersaglieri
            Bersaglieri 16 October 2020 14: 20
            0
            "Bastion" -Sh. Mine-type WPU. "Onyx" does not require a "bulldozer with pipes" and the dimensions of the anti-ship missiles will be smaller.
    4. venik
      venik 15 October 2020 12: 09
      +3
      Quote: Proxima
      It would be interesting to observe if the "Cliff" fired 5 - 6 missiles into the frigate, because in real combat operations one missile would certainly not have been enough.

      ======
      I think it was exactly one of exercise objectives - during post-exercise debriefing and is calculated: how many missiles would be needed to hit the target, and how many the attacker could have time to intercept!
  3. Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 15 October 2020 11: 42
    +1
    Interestingly, if not an ancient "Progress" the size of an airplane, but at least an "Exocet" or "Harpoon" flew towards our frigate, at what distance would they be found? And would they be destroyed? Not to mention the new stealth missiles?
    1. Xnumx vis
      Xnumx vis 15 October 2020 11: 46
      10
      Quote: Jacket in stock
      Interestingly, if not an ancient "Progress" the size of an airplane, but at least an "Exocet" or "Harpoon" flew towards our frigate, at what distance would they be found? And would they be destroyed? Not to mention the new stealth missiles?

      tongue I wonder if ours will deliver a nuclear strike on America, will they be able to repel it? lol
      1. Tiksi-3
        Tiksi-3 15 October 2020 11: 49
        -7
        Quote: 30 vis
        I wonder if ours will deliver a nuclear strike on America, will they be able to repel it?

        and it is customary for you in Israel to answer a question with a question?))
        1. Xnumx vis
          Xnumx vis 15 October 2020 11: 53
          11
          Quote: Tiksi-3
          Quote: 30 vis
          I wonder if ours will deliver a nuclear strike on America, will they be able to repel it?

          and it is customary for you in Israel to answer a question with a question?))

          In Sevastopol, it is customary for stupid questions to pin up ... Carefully read the question asked and my answer .. I hope the meaning will reach you. hi
          1. Tiksi-3
            Tiksi-3 15 October 2020 11: 55
            -5
            Quote: 30 vis
            I hope the meaning will reach you.

            everything is clear as a hedgehog in the fog ... and the frigate to the bottom when launching 3-5 harpoons and amer kirdyk when hit by ballistic missiles ...
            It was a normal question ... how he will be able to repel the group attack Calm, from the anti-ship missile system Harpoon, and whether he will be able at all ...
        2. lucul
          lucul 15 October 2020 11: 55
          +3
          and it is customary for you in Israel to answer a question with a question?))

          He does not write from Israel, but you do)))
          1. Tiksi-3
            Tiksi-3 15 October 2020 11: 56
            -7
            Quote: lucul
            He does not write from Israel, but you do)))

            belay ... you are Vitaly, probably behind the next door, since you claim such nonsense
            1. lucul
              lucul 15 October 2020 11: 58
              +1
              ..you Vitaly is probably behind the next door, since you claim such nonsense

              I’m silent, it’s worthless to disclose the agent.
              1. AVA77
                AVA77 15 October 2020 12: 11
                +7
                One glorious sunny day, four rabbis walk through the park arguing over an old biblical theme. Three insist on one point of view, and the fourth, the youngest, on another. - I assure you, it was just like that and nothing else, - does not stop insisting the fourth. - It is unconvincing and awkward, - the first three are indignant. They argued for a long time, until the fourth does not dare to ask God for help: - Tell, the Almighty, that I am right, give a sign to these ignorant people! Suddenly, the wind is catching up with clouds, thunder rumbles and it started to rain. - So I told you that I am right! - The fourth was delighted. - This is not a proof, but an accident, - The first three answer. The fourth turns to God again: - This is not enough for them, give some sign so that they believe. Suddenly, right in front of them, lightning strikes a tree and the tree catches fire. “What did I tell you,” the youngest rabbi shouts enthusiastically. They looked at each other and one of them said: - So what, in a thunderstorm there is always lightning - this is not a proof of your theory. The fourth decided to bring the matter to the end and again turns to God: - Tell them already, the Almighty, that I am right! Give the Sign that they will definitely believe! Suddenly, the clouds part, and from there the bright sun and a voice from heaven: "HE IS RIGHT"! This action made the first three rabbis stop and blink, but one of them said: - Anyway, three against two laughing
                1. Alexey RA
                  Alexey RA 15 October 2020 12: 56
                  +5
                  Not sparing my dear father,
                  when it came to verbalization,
                  in any matter two Jews
                  have three dissenting opinions.

                  © Huberman
    2. LiSiCyn
      LiSiCyn 15 October 2020 12: 07
      +8
      Quote: Jacket in stock
      NEW
      0
      Interestingly, if not an ancient "Progress" the size of an airplane flew towards our frigate, but at least "Exocet" or "Harpoon"

      The same subsonic old stuff. One, two would have been shot down without problems. 5-6 yes from different directions, most likely there would be problems.
      1. Tiksi-3
        Tiksi-3 15 October 2020 12: 09
        -5
        Quote: LiSiCyn
        The same subsonic junk

        is the subsonic caliber that you write about it?
        1. LiSiCyn
          LiSiCyn 15 October 2020 12: 15
          +5
          Quote: Tiksi-3
          what would you write about him?

          That Caliber is not an anti-ship missile, if you didn't know.
          1. Tiksi-3
            Tiksi-3 15 October 2020 12: 22
            -4
            Quote: LiSiCyn
            That Caliber is not an anti-ship missile, if you didn't know.

            I know perfectly well, but the meaning is in the word SUB-SOUND .... from here, and the question to which you have not answered is accepted by the Jews))
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          2. Charik
            Charik 15 October 2020 13: 05
            0
            3M-54 anti-ship missile with a supersonic combat stage, a variant for the Russian Navy. 3M-51 and 3M-54 anti-ship missiles carry a detachable supersonic combat stage, which separates from the main stage several kilometers before the target, accelerates and hits the target using the autopilot and programmed maneuvers ...
          3. Charik
            Charik 16 October 2020 19: 57
            0
            Do you know the 3M-54 anti-ship missile caliber?
        2. Charik
          Charik 15 October 2020 13: 04
          +1
          3M-54 anti-ship missile with a supersonic combat stage, a variant for the Russian Navy. 3M-51 and 3M-54 anti-ship missiles carry a detachable supersonic combat stage, which separates from the main stage several kilometers before the target, accelerates and hits the target using the autopilot and programmed maneuvers ...
          1. Bersaglieri
            Bersaglieri 16 October 2020 14: 22
            0
            Not for "several kilometers", but for "several tens of kilometers" to the target (as soon as the GOS captures the target during the "jump")
            1. Charik
              Charik 16 October 2020 20: 00
              0
              http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-818.html
    3. Jacket in stock
      Jacket in stock 15 October 2020 12: 13
      +1
      In Sevastopol, it is customary to ask stupid questions, forgiving questions ..


      I didn’t understand what’s stupid about my question?
      It is unlikely that the adversaries will shoot at our frigates with "logs" of the "Progress" type.
      Surely it will be something smaller. Given the prevalence in the world, it is possible to predict what exactly.
      And yes, the Americans will not necessarily be the foe, rather they are not at all.
      And for example, our "non-brothers" or, in general, some Somali / Nigerian pirates. Do you also bang Vanguards around Washington in response?
    4. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 15 October 2020 12: 14
      +4
      Quote: Jacket in stock
      Interestingly, if not an ancient "Progress" the size of an airplane flew towards our frigate, but at least an "Exocet" or "Harpoon", at what distance would they be discovered?

      At a distance of the radio horizon, as they would most likely be walking along a low-altitude trajectory. In general, 25-30 kilometers somewhere. And about the plane - some fun. The P-35 has a launch weight of 4,5 tons, where is the plane?
      Quote: Jacket in stock
      And would they be destroyed?

      Any missile is always a very difficult target. But subsonic Harpoons and Exocets can be destroyed if the crew is well trained
      Quote: Jacket in stock
      Not to mention the new stealth missiles?

      Same
      1. Jacket in stock
        Jacket in stock 15 October 2020 12: 31
        0
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        subsonic Harpoons and Exocets can be destroyed if the crew is well trained

        So maybe it makes sense to prepare the crew and equipment for a meeting with a more likely "foe"?

        The same Americans, for example, at one time did not disdain and bought our missiles, so that the targets were not just similar, but actually corresponded to what they would have to face in battle.
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 15 October 2020 12: 40
          +6
          Quote: Jacket in stock
          So maybe it makes sense to prepare the crew and equipment for a meeting with a more likely "foe"?

          One does not interfere. Of course, it is worth practicing repelling the attack of low-flying anti-ship missiles (and it is very bad that this is either not done, or is done very limitedly), but this does not mean that exercises such as those described in the article are useless
          1. Kasym
            Kasym 15 October 2020 19: 51
            0
            Andrey, hello! Please tell me how such exercises take place - the anti-ship missiles are launched directly into the ship or the flight path passes next to the ship ?! hi
  4. Curt
    Curt 15 October 2020 12: 07
    0
    Let me ask you - and if this ship is released not anti-ship missiles and drones - (very topical!) 1,2,5 pieces with missiles - what will be the result? AFOL Ships need to be strengthened in connection with recent events, I think.
    1. Sergey Obraztsov
      Sergey Obraztsov 15 October 2020 12: 32
      0
      Military experts from all countries are closely watching the ongoing beating of armored vehicles by drones. And conclusions will be made unequivocally. It is another matter that before these conclusions appear in the troops, it will obviously not take several weeks.
  5. Charik
    Charik 15 October 2020 12: 25
    0
    Rocket from the Cliff looks like Basalt
    1. Bersaglieri
      Bersaglieri 16 October 2020 14: 23
      0
      These are "father" "Basalt" and "grandfather" "Volcano"
  6. Old26
    Old26 15 October 2020 15: 54
    +2
    Quote: max702
    Interestingly, if you replace launchers and missiles with "Zircon", then really sending the fleet to the Black Sea loses all meaning .. And to those who write that they will first destroy this object, since its coordinates have long been known, I will answer so in this case, the objects of the country that tried do this, since the coordinates of the objects of THIS country are also well known ..

    And the meaning is in the "Zircon" in the Black Sea. You can send a certain number of ships to the Black Sea before the start of hostilities. Or you will drown everyone and everything who will be in the Black Sea. And what will you do with "Zircon" if an enemy ship fires from a distance of 50 kilometers from the coast? Then "Zircon" will be the most useless weapon in the Black Sea with its rather significant dead zone.
    It would be better to replace the "Progress" with the stationary complex "Bastion-S". There will be more benefits

    Quote: Proxima
    It would be interesting to observe if the "Cliff" fired 5 - 6 missiles into the frigate, because in real combat operations one missile would certainly not have been enough.

    This is physically impossible. Of the two divisions of the "Utes" complex, only one was restored. And the launcher of this division is DOUBLE CONTAINER. So you can't shoot more than two at once

    Quote: 30 vis
    Quote: Jacket in stock
    Interestingly, if not an ancient "Progress" the size of an airplane, but at least an "Exocet" or "Harpoon" flew towards our frigate, at what distance would they be found? And would they be destroyed? Not to mention the new stealth missiles?

    tongue I wonder if ours will deliver a nuclear strike on America, will they be able to repel it? lol

    Do you need to remember nuclear weapons always and everywhere? There can be no situations when missiles with nuclear weapons will not be used? But the question was raised absolutely correctly. Here the target was at an altitude of at least 400 meters, but what if it were inconspicuous and went at an ultra low altitude?

    Quote: LiSiCyn
    Quote: Proxima
    It would be interesting to observe if "Utes" fired 5 - 6 missiles into the frigate,

    2 installations, 2 missiles. Then, a fairly long recharge. hi

    EMNIP was originally when there were 2 divisions. Restored only one with 1 double container launcher

    Quote: LiSiCyn
    Quote: Tiksi-3
    what would you write about him?

    That Caliber is not an anti-ship missile, if you didn't know.

    CALIBER NOT RCC ??? Well you give !!!!! And what, the 3M54 missile has already become not anti-ship ???????
    Two models out of three included in the "Caliber" complex, if you did not know - ANTI-PORTABLE
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 15 October 2020 17: 06
      +2
      Quote: Old26
      It would be better to replace the "Progress" with the stationary complex "Bastion-S". There will be more benefits

      It is better to put UVP 3S14 in place of the lifting double-container PU. And let the fleet decide for itself what to load into the cells. smile
  7. Old26
    Old26 15 October 2020 18: 00
    +2
    Quote: Alexey RA
    Quote: Old26
    It would be better to replace the "Progress" with the stationary complex "Bastion-S". There will be more benefits

    It is better to put UVP 3S14 in place of the lifting double-container PU. And let the fleet decide for itself what to load into the cells. smile

    Alexey! And the complex "Bastion-S" is just a "mine". But I think it's not the best option to put 3C14 on land
    1. nobody75
      nobody75 15 October 2020 20: 18
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      They will put "Bastion - S" ... Excuse me, but who will give him target designation. Remembered to the place "Sheffield" and somehow forgot about the "Legend" and its "sanctifying" role in the Falklands War. Without a network of satellites in low orbits connected by a network on ip v6 and without a marine unmanned aerial vehicle - a reconnaissance aircraft, target designation even with the Liana will remain the biggest problem of our Navy. And without the short-range air defense missile system ROFAR and the lidar, the coastal complex will be destroyed by a cheap plastic drone.
      Sincerely
      1. nobody75
        nobody75 15 October 2020 20: 22
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        And what about Artificial Intelligence, "Mashieka" and neural networks in particular? !!! As my former "dear leader" put it, "I get paid too little to do this."
    2. nobody75
      nobody75 15 October 2020 20: 27
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      Excuse me, but what are we going to use to train neural networks? on "big data" from cartoons of Azerbaijan Agitprop?
      Sincerely
  8. xomaNN
    xomaNN 15 October 2020 18: 18
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    I would like to believe that the teachings were not prepared for Perhaps crying And then in Soviet times, even with a practical missile, the boat was drowned in the Pacific Fleet. what
  9. Pavel57
    Pavel57 15 October 2020 19: 45
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    ROCK is outdated, but it makes sense to support it.
    1. chingachguc
      chingachguc 15 October 2020 20: 29
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      for the Turks, I think it will still work ... but it is stationary.
  10. Old26
    Old26 15 October 2020 21: 23
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    Quote: nobody75
    They will put "Bastion - S" ... Excuse me, but who will give him target designation. Remembered to the place "Sheffield" and somehow forgot about the "Legend" and its "sanctifying" role in the Falklands War. Without a network of satellites in low orbits connected by a network on ip v6 and without a marine unmanned aerial vehicle - a reconnaissance aircraft, target designation even with the Liana will remain the biggest problem of our Navy. And without the short-range air defense missile system ROFAR and the lidar, the coastal complex will be destroyed by a cheap plastic drone.
    Sincerely

    There are enough radars in Crimea to issue a control center for "Bastion-S"
    1. nobody75
      nobody75 15 October 2020 22: 09
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      I cannot agree with you. Modern "kevlar" and "epoxy" vessels up to 600 tons with a displacement of a special corner reflector are installed on the mast. Without it, these same radars in Crimea cannot see them. Launching a loitering munition from such a boat will not be a problem. We've got scandals here because of these reflectors. Traffic control does not always see them.
      With respect.
  11. Ax Matt
    Ax Matt 16 October 2020 01: 03
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    "... was created in 1957 in the area of ​​Cape Aya ..." laughing he was born there, perhaps somewhere on the shore? What are you doing? fool
  12. Lesorub
    Lesorub 16 October 2020 07: 43
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    frigate "Admiral Grigorovich" and fired a missile "Progress" at it. At a distance of more than 10 km, the missile was detected by the ship's air defenses and destroyed by the Shtil missile system.

    Eh, I would like to watch a video of these exercises - it would be good!
  13. Petro_tut
    Petro_tut 16 October 2020 20: 25
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    "And if they shoot badly, I will distribute live ammunition"