In the United States revealed the characteristics of the hypersonic missile AGM-183A ARRW

The newest American hypersonic cruise missile AGM-183A Air-Launched Rapid Response Weapon (ARRW) will be able to reach speeds of up to Mach 6,5 - 8. Reported by The Drive.

According to the data published by the publication, the rocket will cover the distance of 1000 miles (more than 1600 kilometers) in 10-12 minutes.

The AGM-183A ARRW missile was created in response to similar developments in Russia and China. The B-52H Stratofortress strategic bombers (four missiles per strategist) will be the first to receive a hypersonic missile.

In February of this year, Lockheed Martin announced the successful defense of the project of a promising hypersonic aeroballistic missile ARRW (Air-launched Rapid Response Weapon), which has been under development by order of the US Air Force since 2018.

Earlier it was reported that the US Air Force and Lockheed Martin signed a contract worth $ 988,8 million to create an ARRW hypersonic missile (Weapon quick response based in the air). The agreement includes a critical review of the ARRW project, test support and preparation of the complex for production. The missile should be ready by 2021, and the initial operational readiness by 2022. According to the company, the work is on schedule.

It is known that the rocket will receive a solid-propellant engine and a detachable hypersonic gliding warhead.

The first flight tests of hypersonic warheads with the AGM-183A ARRW air launch system took place in the United States in June 2019 and were considered successful. In August of this year, test flights of the B-52H strategic bomber with AGM-183A missiles were carried out. The bomber took off from Edwards Air Force Base (California).

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[Machete]

If it was created in response, then, too, somehow too quickly. As if by magic.
Either it has been in development for a long time or they are lying.

[cost 75]

This is most likely an analogue of a dagger that's why it is so fast.

[Grandfather]

damn it .. and our Commander-in-Chief, said that they were ten years behind .. I was wrong again.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Dead Day

damn it .. and our Commander-in-Chief, said that they were ten years behind .. I was wrong again.

Is this an analogue of the Vanguard or Zircon?

[lucul]

damn it .. and our Commander-in-Chief, said that they were ten years behind .. I was wrong again.

And what's wrong? Didn't the USA have the technology to achieve hypersound?
The whole tsimes is to fly at such a speed in the atmosphere and not burn up, and not in space.

[ancient]

Quote: Dead Day

and our Commander-in-Chief, said that they were ten years behind ... I was wrong again.

Our Gerasimov stated that we have 450 km in 4,5 minutes and at the same time M> 8 (although no matter how you count and "adjust" ... more than 4,8 M .. well, it just doesn't work)
And from the "foe" everything is in the color of 1600 km (more), we take 12 minutes (the maximum of the declared) and we get..8 km / h ...

[Kalmar]

Quote: ancient

Our Gerasimov stated that we have 450 km in 4,5 minutes and at the same time M> 8 (although you don't count and "adjust" ... more than 4,8 M .. well, it doesn't work out)
And from the "foe" everything is in the color of 1600 km (more), we take 12 minutes (the maximum of the declared) and we get..8 km / h ...

Are "theirs" marketers better at using a calculator? But seriously, "M> 8" in our case can mean the maximum speed on the trajectory. With acceleration and other maneuvers, the average can be more modest. An American rocket launches in the air, picks up speed faster - hence a different result can be obtained. Well, plus nothing prevents each of the parties from "rounding" the results in a convenient direction;)

[ancient]

Quote: Kalmar

With acceleration and other maneuvers, the average can be more modest.

Yeah ... accelerates like a steam locomotive .. what to gain altitude of 28 km? ... Isn't it funny?
It is clear that the braces ... but not to the same extent ...

[Kalmar]

Quote: ancient

Yeah ... accelerates like a steam locomotive .. to gain altitude of 28 km?

Do you think it comes out directly from the PU on hypersound? Anyway, the real profile of the Zircon's flight is a secret and, as a result, food for speculation. Like, a flight at 4-5M on the midcourse and acceleration to maximum speed at the end. Or vice versa - at full speed on the cruise and deceleration at the target (so that the RGSN works normally). Or officials just randomly call numbers, if only it sounds solid))

[ancient]

Quote: Kalmar

Do you think it comes out directly from the PU on hypersound?

Of course not .. well, with all the "operations" after exiting the PC and stabilizing on the climb trajectory to an altitude of 28 km, it takes about 40 -100 seconds (the average speed on the trajectory is at the rate of 330 m / s), but after reaching approximately 4,8 M the rocket goes into the GP mode and "goes to the target".

Quote: Kalmar

flight at 4-5M on the midcourse and acceleration to maximum speed at the end.

Flight on the cruising section ONLY with 4-5M and .. ALL, since the cruise engine does not even allow maintaining this speed and on the cruising and final section occurs ... braking to values ​​of the order of 3-2M 9 this explains the possibility or presence of AGSN or combined seeker, with all the ensuing consequences.)
As a result of these considerations .. exclusively personal .. I dare to assume that our "Zircon" is ... modernized ... "Onyx" .... there is nothing wrong with that, and even very cool, but ... as they say, based on from the political situation "..further I am quoting you -" Or officials just randomly call numbers, if only it sounds solid "

[ancient]

Quote: Kalmar

But seriously, "M> 8" in our case can mean the maximum speed on the trajectory.

If we take it the way you think, then the Zircon should be accelerated at speeds> 10M ... so that it would get M> 8 on the marching section
The main engine constantly cannot maintain such a speed, so its power ... is ten times less than the power of the starting engine

Quote: Kalmar

With acceleration and other maneuvers, the average can be more modest

The speed on the cruising section will decrease both due to air resistance and due to the lengthening of the flight route, as a result of which the flight time increases, and if we consider that when switching to a dive, braking will increase even more, then the average speed is M> 8 ... that's just. .. "dreams" or .. "riding over the ears"

[MKPU-115]

Quote: ancient

And from the "foe" everything is in the color of 1600 km (more), we take 12 minutes (the maximum of the declared) and we get..8 km / h ...

Well, this is all in the plans for 2022, which have already been postponed by a year due to delays, including due to TBG problems (an analogue of our Avangard).
Original article:
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/33841/the-air-force-is-buying-eight-of-these-missiles-set-to-become-its-first-hypersonic-weapons

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/36118/test-aircraft-have-been-lugging-darpas-prototype-hypersonic-cruise-missiles-around

[vargo]

I don’t understand why you are comparing the swings and km / h.
Even taking 350 km for a constant speed of sound 30 m / s (at a temperature of +450) for 4.5 minutes, it turned out to be Mach 4.76. For the "foe" at 1600 km in 12 minutes (if you take your original ones), this is Mach 6.35, which is also not similar to that stated in the article.

[ancient]

Quote: vargo

I don’t understand why you are comparing the swings and km / h.

Trying to put an owl on a globe? what would ... get out
I wrote -..although no matter how you count and "adjust" ... more than 4,8 M .. well, it just doesn't work), and you tell me .. "vtyuhivaet" your 4,76 .... now compare ... I was very wrong in the wording?

Quote: vargo

For the "foe" at 1600 km in 12 minutes (if you take your initial ones), this is Mach 6.35,

And in general, in the calculations, 331 M / s is taken for the air environment, and not 350 ... as you have
Show art .. "manipulation"
I wrote - we take 12 minutes (the maximum of the stated) and we get..8 km / h ...
, and that's it ... by giving the opportunity " -calculus "to calculate by yourself .. you counted 6,35M, although in fact 6,717 .... M ...." slightly "different then your calculations?
So take another time ... 10 minutes, we count .. "right" and oh .. what is it .... 8.0563M.
what about your statements now - ".... which is also not similar to the one stated in the article."...
Honestly ... I just get pleasure from what "you take" " -gruck "and ..grunt .... face on the table .

[Ali]

Quote: In the USA, the characteristics of the AGM-183A ARRW hypersonic missile have been revealed

The latest American hypersonic cruise missile AGM-183A Air-Launched Rapid Response Weapon (ARRW) will be able to reach speeds up to 6,5 - Mach 8. Reported by The Drive.

Quote: In the USA, the characteristics of the AGM-183A ARRW hypersonic missile have been revealed

According to data published by the publication, the distance is 1000 miles (more than 1600 kilometers) the rocket will overcome in 10-12 minutes.

ancient. I told you, strategist, to learn Russian! News in the future tense. Currently, this missile is not even in service with the United States, but only in the project! Dagger and Vanguard are in service with Russia. Zircon is in experimental abrasives. Regarding the speed in M ​​numbers - The secrecy regime in the world has not been canceled yet! Horror - the absurd nonsense of Russophobes and the illiterate!

[ancient]

Quote: Ali

I told you, strategist, to learn Russian!

I have already told you ... " what "you have to go ... with your advice

Quote: Ali

and the Dagger and Vanguard are in service with Russia. Zircon in experimental abrasives

And in orbit .. "death star" hangs .....

Quote: Ali

Я

"I" is the head from .... "gramophone"

[ancient]

Quote: Ali

and also learn to count the number M from the flight altitude!

For the especially .. "gifted" I remind .. the Mach number shows the ratio of the aircraft's speed to the speed of sound (but the speed of sound already has different values ​​depending on conditions: altitude, temperature, pressure).
And last time I repeat .. 2 what do you need to go "and .. do not bother adults

[Ali]

Quote: ancient

For especially .. "gifted" I remind .. the Mach number shows the ratio of the speed with which the aircraft relative to the speed of sound different quantities depending on conditions: altitude, temperature, pressure).

ancient, for people like you and the Linnik couple, who sneakily cut off the rating on the sly, the value of the number M for designers has a fixed value. Can you guess why?

[ancient]

Quote: Ali

like you and the Linnik couple

For people like you ... for the last time and clearly:
Your 1st quote - ".... your childish babble, all-footed man, and also learn to count the number M from the flight altitude! [/ b.
2nd your quote - "... [b]. The value of the number M in constructors has a fixed value".
So you really ... decide ... "here .. or here"

And my quote - ".... And in general, in the calculations, 331 M / s is taken for the air environment, and not 350 ... like you."
so for the third time I repeat ... don't dip yourself further into ..... with my "deepest" knowledge ... to guide you in ... the right direction ..... I will not ... already tired ... you don't care how ... a ram's head into the gate (not too subtle for your ... understanding)?

[Ali]

Quote: ancient

And my quote - ".... And actually, in the calculations, 331 M / s is taken for the air environment, and not 350 .. like you".

ancient. It's ugly to write lies openly! I did not talk to you about the value of the number M = 350 m / s You have previously shown your illiteracy in radar - apparently a stalemate complex. not. does not give you sane thinking and not only, continue to write further in the future tense and fool others - maybe you will live to see the truth! ... Stay with your sheep, if you do not know how to think!

[vargo]

Trying to put an owl on a globe? wassat to ... get out

I am not getting out, your calculation is not clear to me.

and you tell me .. "vtyuhivaet" your 4,76 .... now compare ... I was very wrong in the wording?

I am not trying to point out the error in numbers. I just pointed to a more accurate figure so that I would not be accused of pulling the indicators in one direction.

And in general, in the calculations, 331 M / s is taken for the air environment, and not 350 ... how do you wink
Showing art .. "manipulation" wassat

This sin of manipulation then must lie on you. 350 was taken only for the reason that in order to obtain Mach 4.8 (from your data) with the initial 450 km in 4.5 minutes, I did not succeed with 330. I decided to start from 350 to assume the correctness of your first calculation for some of your environment. So the joint is yours, not mine.

you counted 6,35M, although in fact 6,717 .... M .... is "slightly" different then your calculations? wink

In fact, using a speed of 331 m / s you get Mach 6.714, and again you are not accurate (woe to your calculator). And then I calculated from taking into account the speed of sound at 350 m / s. Again, I assumed an equal environment for comparing velocities (you probably did not ...) and used this velocity assuming that you used it for the first calculation.

So take another time ... 10 minutes, we count .. "right" and oh .. what is it .... 8.0563M.
what about your statements now - ".... which is also not similar to what is stated in the article." ... wassat lol

Generally stupid. Firstly, if you take thousandths, then 8.0564 (although this is a nitpick) Secondly, are you again comparing the km / h and swings described in the first message? And what is this "So take another time"? You took the two maximum values ​​for time and distance, that still made sense. But to take at random and consider something is the lot of an amateur potryndet.

And for the appendage! For the umpteenth time I am convinced that the Troll on VO marks itself with a crowd of emoticons in the message, because emoticons are the only thing that he needs in any communication ... just that.

[ancient]

Quote: vargo

And for the appendage!

I am sincerely sorry ... well, this will pass with age ... when you read a book, but you see a fig youth .. it's a thing at the present time ... an infectious thing swinging at millen, and at the exit ... zilch.
Read all my comments again ... maybe then it will come to you that you were wrong, then you rewrite my thoughts in your interpretation and try to poke me ... with my numbers ... well, just ... a master ...
Smileys are annoying ...... so the site rules prohibit many expressions, but smilies just ... everything specifically shows .. "hu is who"

[vargo]

It's not even about emoticons. Filling messages can say a lot about a person. An overabundance of ellipsis, an abundance of emoticons to the point and not so much. This also indicates the quality of the formation of thought. The use of jokes and frequent avoidance of a simple (seemingly) answer. I looked at your comments in general on VO, not all is lost, but please think about the quality, I know you are capable of more.
I think it is pointless to continue the conversation further, I just wanted to understand where the numbers came from and why there was a strange comparison. I didn't get a simple answer, I'm sorry.

[ancient]

Quote: vargo

frequent avoidance of a simple (seemingly) answer.

NEVER did this .... I don't know where you got it from.

Quote: vargo

I just wanted to understand where the numbers came from and why there was a strange comparison

I described in more detail the procedure for calculating to get my "numbers".

Quote: vargo

I didn't get a simple answer, I'm sorry.

It's easier just to tell that 2 + 2 = 4 ... but Gerasimov does not represent him in any way ... he always has ... 5 ... but this in science ... well, it never happens.

[Boris Chernikov]

we have a sea launch, so it is difficult to determine the exact speed, while amers have an air one .. and determine the speed from the calculation of "how many horizontally flown" .. strange, since our rocket, roughly speaking, flies along a parabola and the speed is calculated according to it ..

[Whirlwind]

M 8 is the maximum. Try 160 km in your car in an instant. to issue in an hour.
Obviously, there was a section of acceleration from "0" to the maximum ...

[ancient]

Quote: Whirlwind

Try 160 km in your car in an instant. to issue in an hour.

It depends on which car .. ... or do you think that the rocket has ... a weak starting engine? ... It takes more time to detach the rocket and start the starting engine and then .... a few seconds "and your speed is already on the climb section

[Whirlwind]

In principle, I agree, but this does not mean at all that this rocket was burning 8 M.

[ancient]

Quote: Whirlwind

but this does not mean at all that this rocket was burning 8 m throughout the entire section.

In principle, I agree the same, but ... then this is not a hypersonic missile at all since in aviation there is a clear definition of GLA - this is an aircraft that for some time carries out STEADY hypersonic flight in the atmosphere.
Steady - this is when the thrust force of the engine compensates for air resistance (constancy of hypersonic speed is ensured), and gravity is compensated for by aerodynamic lift (constancy of flight altitude).
The engine can be rocket (liquid or solid propellant) or air-jet (for example, hypersonic ramjet).

Rocket engine works for a very short time, measured in seconds (tens). Therefore, the rocket-powered device first picks up speed, and then, after running out of fuel and turning off the engine, flies by inertia, braking by the resistance of the oncoming air flow. That is why a rocket, flying at supersonic speed part of the time, is NOT a hypersonic aircraft.
Sustained hypersonic flight can only be provided by a hypersonic jet engine (scramjet engine)
To summarize the above: a hypersonic aircraft is an aircraft with a hypersonic CRUISING speed, performing a STEADY flight at hypersonic speed, usually - due to a hypersonic jet engine.
And on this we put .. a fat DOT!

[Whirlwind]

Yes. Let the Pentagon's head hurt ...

[Kalmar]

Quote: ancient

In principle, I agree the same, but ... then this is not a hypersonic missile at all

In general, one gets the impression that the term "hypersonic" has become similar to the "fifth generation" in aviation: it is not so much technical as it is marketing. Those. there are many options for what to consider or not to consider a hypersonic aircraft, and there everyone chooses to their liking so that "their" product is hypersonic, and competitive ones are not))

[Boris Chernikov]

show-off is more expensive than money ..

[Bad_gr]

Quote: ancient

Our Gerasimov said .....

Gerasimov stated in fact specific missile launch and achieved speeds.
Americans only guess what according to calculations will be the speed of their rocket.

[ancient]

Quote: Bad_gr

Gerasimov stated on the fact of the specific launch of the rocket and the achieved speeds.

Keyword ... "DECLARED" some stated that "... M> 27 in the dense atmosphere with maneuvering"

[Bad_gr]

Quote: ancient

Keyword ... "DECLARED"

So this statement is elementary verified: they know the launch time for sure, since all our military large ships are accompanied by the ships of our potential friends, and the time of arrival of the warhead at the test site is the same. Lies would be challenged, and quite loudly.

[ancient]

Quote: Bad_gr

Lies would be challenged, and quite loudly.

And why ... "we lied" and they .. also "lied" ... it seems like ... parity

Hypersonic missile test March 19, 2020, Pacific Missile Range, Kauai, USA

US Secretary of the Army Ryan McCarthy, speaking at the US Army Association conference, said the hypersonic missile hit a target with an accuracy of 6 inches, defensenews.com reported Oct. 14.

“Hypersonic missiles hit their targets with a deviation of only 6 inches,” he said during his speech at the virtual conference opening ceremony on October 13.

McCarthy was referring to the successful flight tests of the Army and Navy's hypersonic gliding unit this year. The missile launched from the Pacific Missile Range in Kauai, Hawaii on March 19, an army spokesman confirmed.

The Common-Hypersonic Glide Body (C-HGB) took off and flew at hypersonic speed to the “designated impact point,” according to a statement released on the day of the test.

Hypersonic weapons can fly faster than Mach 5, that is, more than 5 times faster than sound, and can maneuver at different altitudes and azimuths, making them difficult to detect.

The C-HGB glider consists of a warhead, guidance system, cables and a heat shield, and will serve as the base for the Pentagon's offensive hypersonic missile. Each of the combat arms develops appropriate launching systems.

The army is developing ground capabilities and plans to receive the first battery with hypersonic missiles by 2023. Lockheed Martin is acting as the lead integrator for the system on a mobile ground-based launcher (truck), and Dynetics Technical Solutions is to organize the production of gliders on a serial basis.

The Army is preparing for another flight test in the third quarter of fiscal 2021, followed by a second flight test in the first quarter of fiscal 2022, Lieutenant General L. Neil Thurgood told Defense News ahead of the AUSA conference. There will then be two more flight tests in the third quarter of 2012, Thurgood added. “So we're starting to speed up our flight tests,” he said.

The Army plans to deliver the first hypersonic missile launcher to the combat unit in the fourth quarter of FY21.

[Whirlwind]

"War is the art of deception ..."
Sun Tzu.

[ancient]

Quote: ancient

that we have 450 km in 4,5 minutes and at the same time M> 8 (although you do not count and do not "adjust" ... more than 4,8 M .. well, it does not work out)

"Minussists" take a pencil or ruler and count the problem ..... for elementary school: Distance 450 km, flight time 4,5 minutes, speed of sound at an altitude of 28 km - in meters per second - 295,1, in kilometers per hour - 1 in the conditions of ISA ... task ... to determine the number of M ...

[Xscorpion]

Only here it flew in real life, but they have it on paper. At the moment, LM just won the tender and they were allocated taxpayers' funds for testing. And what happens, we will see in a year.

[antivirus]

We were not mistaken about the aircraft carriers - the target for the hyper-duper. correctly left the AUG to the PL

[Brancodd]

"damn it .. and our Commander-in-Chief, said that they were ten years behind .. I was wrong again"
Let's count who was wrong. From the data presented, it is obvious that this is an aeroballistic rocket - an analogue of the "Dagger". "Dagger" was adopted in 2018. The Americans plan to achieve "operational readiness" by 2020 by 2020. Most likely, by this wording, they mean the completion of tests. Before joining the troops, it must take some time. Considering that practically for all projects over the past 30 years there has been no case that they did not shift to the right in terms of timing. Minimum 2 years. This, so to speak, if it works out at all. Because some of the projects ended in failure. It turns out that with the most favorable development of the project, the gap will be 7 years. This is at the most favorable.

[Machete]

Everything can be.

[Tuesday]

Kindergarten. What is so fast? Nothing has been built yet, it is written in the future tense, what else will happen sometime ... In general, they have very serious problems in this direction. It is not for nothing that 2 out of three developers jumped off and suffered major losses. ... It is clear that, as usual, they will declare victory as the construction of, say, a non-thrust engine 15 years ago. (On which, as we see, all America flies))) For otherwise they cannot.

[Stas157]

... USA reveals characteristics of AGM-183A ARRW hypersonic missile

And what kind of engine is there? It was never revealed. Ramjet or like the Dagger?

[NIKN]

It is known that the rocket will receive a solid-propellant engine and a detachable hypersonic gliding warhead.

[voyaka uh]

It is a mixture of Dagger and Vanguard.
Running like a Dagger:
tactical ballistic missiles are launched from the plane.
And the glider, like Avngard.
Only not in a strategic version (with an ICBM),
and in the tactical: with the tactical BR.
The American one does not have the PBBM, just as the Avangard warhead does not have it.

[lucul]

Running like a Dagger:
tactical ballistic missiles are launched from the plane.

And what about her maneuverable har-ki? )))

[voyaka uh]

What are the maneuvers at such speeds ??
God forbid, just hit the target without any tricks.

[lucul]

What maneuvers are there at such speeds ?? belay
God forbid, just hit the target without any tricks.

Ours maneuver.

[voyaka uh]

Maneuver?
Look at the real war: Karabakh.
All missiles miss: Scuds, Iskanders, Lauras, Polonaises, Tornadoes.
This is without any missile defense, and without any maneuvering.
Who hits exactly? - Subsonic devices with modern seeker or target illumination.

[lucul]

Who hits exactly? - Subsonic devices with modern seeker or target illumination.

No offense, but you think tactically.
With special ammunition, the hyperrocket does not need jewelry accuracy.
And yes, missiles sometimes miss)))

[voyaka uh]

When the only hope is for special ammunition, this is not called strategic thinking, but despair.

[Dodikson]

there if they did not shoot with scads and iskanders. Laura almost got into a shallow bridge.

[voyaka uh]

1) Elbrus is a Scud. They shot at the object, hit a residential building. 2) Point or Iskander - unclear. But they were being shot. Into milk.
3) Laura slightly damaged the bridge, but did not hit the supports. The CR would have hit exactly the support.
4) There is nothing to say about smaller missiles.
Rubble on the balconies ...

[MKPU-115]

Quote: voyaka uh

1) Elbrus is a Scud. They shot at the object, hit a residential building. 2) Point or Iskander - unclear. But they were being shot. Into milk.
3) Laura slightly damaged the bridge, but did not hit the supports. The CR would have hit exactly the support.
4) There is nothing to say about smaller missiles.
Rubble on the balconies ...

Do you have a photo of the wreckage?
Photo of the tail fin?
It can easily identify the type of ammunition.

[Volder]

Quote: voyaka uh

All missiles miss: Scuds, Iskanders, Lauras, Polonaises, Tornadoes.

These are not Russian weapons. Export weapons are always with coarse characteristics, and if you also consider that they are not modernized, and are controlled by non-Russian warriors, then in general it's a pipe.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: voyaka uh

Maneuver?

It’s like in a joke:

- Comrade ensign, and crocodiles fly?
- What!? Who told you such garbage?
- Comrade Major.
- Comrade Major ?! Actually, they fly, but very low!

[MKPU-115]

Quote: voyaka uh

What are the maneuvers at such speeds ??
God forbid, just hit the target without any tricks.

"Vanguard" maneuvers at a speed of 20M, this was demonstrated on tests at the Kura test site.

[voyaka uh]

Kura? In Kamchatka? There, the Americans have equipment nearby and they whip the details of each landing of combat units.
The Kura Vanguard was shot once:
1) without maneuvering
2) without planing. The warhead fell almost vertically, like a conventional ICBM warhead.
---
The vanguard was tested at an internal test site, where the Americans do not flog all the time (there are temporary holes between the satellites). 4 tests at distances MRBM. Three successful ones.
Therefore, only 2 missiles were put on alert. Few challenges.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: voyaka uh

Therefore, only 2 missiles were put on alert.

A strange decision to put the Vanguard principle into service, to be honest. 12 Stilettos are planned with 12 Vanguard blocks, earlier on these stilettos there were 6 warheads together with decoys. Those. instead of 72 warheads with false targets, there will be just 12 warheads. It seems that at the beginning of the 20th century it was called "sabotage".

[voyaka uh]

Many warheads cannot be placed on ICBMs anyway - under an agreement with the Americans. Their total number is limited. The States also have one CU instead of three on the Minutemans. You put a lot of Stylers with the Vanguard, there will be fewer Yars.
And Yarsy is the real nuclear shield of Russia.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: voyaka uh

Many warheads cannot be placed on ICBMs anyway - under an agreement with the Americans.

Not the fact that this agreement will be extended.

Quote: voyaka uh

Their total number is limited. The States also have one CU instead of three on the Minutemans.

It is not necessary to put into service, it can be kept in a semi-assembled state, so that in the event of an escalation, the number can be increased relatively quickly.

Quote: voyaka uh

The Yars are Russia's real nuclear shield.

I agree. In our vinaigrette of weapons, it's easy to lose what is really important.

[MKPU-115]

Quote: voyaka uh

There, the Americans have equipment nearby and they whip the details of each landing of combat units.

Base Clear, Alaska, missile defense, radar SPRN AN / FPS-132
"The missile was launched from the Dombarovsky area in the Orenburg region. The conditional target was located at the Kura training ground in Kamchatka. And Avangard successfully hit it."
The change in the Vanguard's flight path was confirmed by the Americans, and the US missile defense system is powerless in this case.

[Kalmar]

Quote: lucul

And what about her maneuverable har-ki? )))

If it works only on stationary targets, it does not need special maneuverability, like any other BR.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Kalmar

If she works only on stationary targets, she does not need special maneuverability

If the enemy has a developed missile defense system, then warheads with easily calculated trajectories are simply knocked down. Nuclear warheads must be covered with a bunch of dummy warheads (R-36M), which in behavior must correspond to combat ones, or must maneuver along an unpredictable trajectory, then there will be a chance to reach the target.

[Kalmar]

Quote: Bad_gr

The warheads must ... maneuver along an unpredictable trajectory, then there will be a chance to reach the target.

The anti-missile must still fly very close to the target warhead or even "stick" into it (in the case of a kinetic interceptor), i.e. even a relatively small change in the trajectory of the warhead greatly complicates the interception. In other words, the rocket's maneuverability is still needed, but not to say that it must twist right in the air.

[MKPU-115]

Fire tests of the AGM-183A ARRW will begin in 2021, according to a report by the US Audit Office, while deployment to the Air Force will begin in 2022.
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air-Launched_Rapid_Response_Weapon

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: Machete

Or has it been in development for a long time

This option.
In 2004, the American X-43A hypersonic missile reached a speed of 9,8M. A record that has not yet been broken by the CD with a direct flow. The X-51 reached a speed of 5,1M in 2010 or 2011.

[MKPU-115]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

In 2004, the American X-43A hypersonic missile reached a speed of 9,8M.

And it successfully exploded, the debris drowned in the ocean, the experimental project on the X-43A was turned off.

[Kalmar]

Quote: MKPU-115

And it successfully exploded, the wreckage drowned in the ocean, the experimental project on the X-43A was turned off

But the developments on it have not disappeared. They can "shoot" in some new product.

[MKPU-115]

Quote: Kalmar

Quote: MKPU-115

And it successfully exploded, the wreckage drowned in the ocean, the experimental project on the X-43A was turned off

But the developments on it have not disappeared. They can "shoot" in some new product.

AGM-183A ARRW - according to the plan, the start of flight tests in 2021, but the dates are shifted by at least 1 year.

[Kalmar]

Quote: Machete

If it was created in response, then, too, somehow too quickly. As if by magic.
Either it has been in development for a long time or they are lying.

Almost certainly they did it for a long time: Americans also know how to work for the future. Now, apparently, it is a good reason to present it to the public: like, a response to the "Russian threat" and, as a result, an excuse to shake out more money for the project.

[venik]

Quote: Machete

If it was created in response, then, too, somehow too quickly. As if by magic. Either it has been in development for a long time or they are lying.

=======
Are you still in doubt? They lie of course! They have been developing air-launched hypersonic missiles for 20 years! If not more! There were also frankly unsuccessful launches and "partially successful" ones, until the final project somehow "crystallized" .....
And in THREE years (? ) is sorry nonsense!

[ZEMCH]

Quote: venik

Are you still in doubt? They lie of course! They have been developing air-launched hypersonic missiles for 20 years! If not more! There were also frankly unsuccessful launches and "partially successful" ones, until the final project somehow "crystallized" .....
And for THREE years (?) - this is pardon nonsense!

Continuing your post:

In the photo, the test of the Kholod scramjet engine on November 28, 1991, The first full-scale tests of the Soviet scramjet engine are being carried out at the Sary-Shagan test site in Kazakhstan near Lake Balkhash, in the first flight tests a speed of 5,6M was reached, and the flying laboratory itself rose to a record height of 35 kilometers ,
In subsequent launches of "Kholod", which were carried out in the period from 1991 to 1998, it was possible to achieve the operation time of the scramjet engine in 77 seconds and accelerate the laboratory to a record speed of 1 m / s, which corresponded to 832M. The hypersound was subdued - and for the first time it was the Soviet GPVRD "Kholod" that did it.

Prior to flight tests, the scramjet engine was tested in the laboratory of the Turaevsky branch of CIAM, where the largest bench base in Europe for the study of hypersound is located. On the unique stand Ts-16VK, it was possible to carry out the most complete simulation of real high-altitude and speed conditions at speeds up to a hypersonic speed of 6M.

As a result, throughout the 1990s, the Americans began to act in their usual way, simply buying any results obtained on the Kholod hypersonic aircraft in the already independent, but then money-free Russia. Therefore, it turned out that the X-43A program, which became key for all subsequent developments of American hypersonic vehicles, in fact was built not at all on our own American developments, but on technology borrowed from the USSR and Russia from the Cold project.

After the termination of cooperation on hypersound between Russia and the United States, tests in the United States continued, but the Americans failed to achieve acceptable results for further development and, for financial reasons, the X-43A project was curtailed)))

In the USSR, the X-90 was brought to the flight model, which in fact was the first hypersonic cruise missile, with a range of 3500 km, was launched from the Tu-160, showed 6M during tests, but the collapse of the USSR and the lack of money in Russia put the project on the shelf, as I understand now revived and improved based on these developments.

So the terms in the law of the United States are shifting, and for trivial reasons - they did not bring to mind the information received from Russia during the years of "cooperation")))

[Boris Chernikov]

until it is put into service is just rubbing glasses .. Yes, and the phrase about "almost 1 miles" .. even makes you think that there will be something in the area a little more than 000 miles.

[bars1]

The Americans cut the sturgeon. ”And then they shouted 20M!

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: bars1

The Americans cut the sturgeon. ”And then they shouted 20M!

well, you were also told that only in 10 years will the "partners" have something like this

[MKPU-115]

Quote: Tiksi-3

well, you were also told that only in 10 years will the "partners" have something like this

Where did they get it? These are all US plans.
Flight testing in FY2021 and FY2022.

[lucul]

well, you were also told that only in 10 years will the "partners" have something like this

Introduced into service? At what speed does it fly at the final stage, and what are the maneuverable characteristics?

[Dzafdet]

So they stole the formulas of high-temperature alloys ... Oh, a country, a country of rogue ...

[voyaka uh]

The Americans have nickel alloys.
I don't know what the Russians have.

[Vadim237]

Alloy of nickel and titanium as well as tantalum.

[voyaka uh]

So, about the same ...

[stalki]

And they promised 20 swings. And now up to 8 agree. How quickly preferences change.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Another hypersonic missile is planned in the near future.

The Air Force is also pursuing a hypersonic jet-powered missile called Chaos, which is likely to be smaller than the ARRW and can be carried in fighter-sized aircraft as well as large bombers. It will be based on the concept of hypersonic air-breathing weapons, or HAWC, which the Air Force is developing in conjunction with the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency.

ARRW is also planned to be installed on B-1.
Who cares about the original article: https://www.airforcemag.com/article/buff-up/

[MKPU-115]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

ARRW is also planned to be installed on B-1.
Who cares about the original article: https://www.airforcemag.com/article/buff-up/

These are all US PLANS
"In December 2019, the US Department of Defense issued a new contract to Lockheed Martin for the full development, testing and preparation for serial production of the ARRW missile, totaling $ 988,832 million. The work should be carried out very quickly and be completed by December 31, 2022."

[lucul]

which is likely to be smaller than the ARRW and can be carried in fighter-sized aircraft,

Ie the rocket is so huge that even the F-15 cannot lift it? )))

[MKPU-115]

"In February of this year, Lockheed Martin announced the successful defense of the project of a promising hypersonic aeroballistic missile ARRW" - project?

[Interlocutor]

In February of this year, Lockheed Martin announced that it had successfully defended a promising hypersonic aeroballistic missile ARRW "project?

Here is a bad you. All the joy was spoiled by the all-fledged people.

[lucul]

Here is a bad you. All the joy was spoiled by the all-fledged

How quickly the oppos' rhetoric changes - from cartoons (about our hyper-missiles), to finally at least something there, the world recognized technology leader (USA) was able to imagine a rocket that cannot be launched from a fighter plane, i.e. from an aircraft carrier) ))

[Interlocutor]

How quickly the oppos' rhetoric changes - from cartoons (about our hyper missiles),

Not just fast - instantly.

[Volder]

Now commentators who do not like Russia will come running to support American developments: the United States will undoubtedly have hypersonic weapons as real and effective, in contrast to the cartoonish Russian.

[lucul]

the United States will undoubtedly have hypersonic weapons real and effective, unlike the cartoonish Russian

And which turned out to be so huge that even the F-15 cannot lift it? )))

[Charik]

This is reported by The Drive-do they know the newspapers there more than the Pentagon? Here, the MO reported on Zircon.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: Charik

It is reported by The Drive-do they know the newspapers there more than the Pentagon?

Air Force Major General Andrew Gebara, director of strategic plans, programs and requirements, Air Force Global Strike Command (AFGSC), disclosed this information in an interview with Air Force magazine.

[Charik]

I can see that you are well aware of who is there, with what rank and what position, and who tells what

[MKPU-115]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

Quote: Charik

It is reported by The Drive-do they know the newspapers there more than the Pentagon?

Air Force Major General Andrew Gebara, director of strategic plans, programs and requirements, Air Force Global Strike Command (AFGSC), disclosed this information in an interview with Air Force magazine.

Continued:
"In its post, DARPA did not mention whether one of the missiles was destroyed in an accident during tests on a B-52 carrier, as reported by Aviation Week in June. At the time, DARPA declined to comment on the test report in an interview with Defense News, citing INCOMPLETE TEST FLIGHT PROGRAM. "
19 September 2020 year.
https://www.vpk-news.ru/articles/58707

[japan-k]

At this time, 6-7 swings are no longer considered something beyond natural. Yes, and no one said, but whether this rocket maneuvers in flight, that's what is more difficult

[MKPU-115]

Two EXPERIMENTAL non-dropable samples of the promising American hypersonic missile Lockheed Martin AGM-183A ARRW (Air Launched Rapid Response Weapon) on the external sling of a strategic explosive bomber

With the United States Boeing B-52H (US Air Force number 60-0050) during a test flight from Edwards AFB (California), 08.08.2020/XNUMX/XNUMX (c) Matt Williams / US Air Force

[MKPU-115]

In June 2020, it became known that the US Air Force plans to purchase eight prototypes of the ARRW rocket for flight tests (four for testing and four spare), with flight tests in 2021 and 2022 fiscal years and the beginning of the arrival of the rocket into service (meaning the transfer for this four spare experimental missiles) from the beginning of the 2023 financial year (that is, from October 1, 2022 of the calendar year) - the reality of the latter, however, raises doubts, since it was previously reported that work on the TBG block was lagging behind schedule by about a year.

[Paul zewike]

Did anyone doubt that they would make a rocket?

[MKPU-115]

Quote: Paul Zewike

Did anyone doubt that they would make a rocket?

Did they do it?
The US Air Force and the US Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency have completed AERODYNAMIC TEST PHASE ONE of two new air-to-ground hypersonic weapons.
https://www.vpk-news.ru/articles/58707

[Paul zewike]

I did not write what I did. But they will definitely do it. Sooner or later. Maybe the tense of the verb "doubted" was unsuccessful :)

[MKPU-115]

Quote: Paul Zewike

But they will definitely do it.

Yes, the most important thing is not to lose faith

Fortuneteller I believe that on the cards
For the money will guess me
That soon I will live richly
And I will be completely happy.

I truly believe these people
That settled me here
That only with them I will be happy ...
Lying in room six!

[Operator]

Chu, solid-propellant ballistic missile with a detachable warhead - it means a super-duper motor hypersound "did not shmogla" (C)

What a disgraceful shame for the American military-industrial complex to start slavishly copying Russian developments such as "Dagger".

[MKPU-115]

Trump's election is on the way, hence such loud statements.

[Ferrari Stradale]

The American one has this hypersonic glider inside, and the Dagger is just a ballistic rocket with nothing. The analogue of the Dagger is the American GAM-87 Skybolt rocket with 12 arms, hello from the 60s.

[rotmistr60]

Grandfather (Grandfather Old)
damn it .. and our Commander-in-Chief, said that they were ten years behind .. I was wrong again.

Have they already adopted it? So far, only a message in The Drive, and what in reality is in question. What does not suit you again? You with your snide remarks
clearly nominated for the McCain Prize.

[Prisoner]

"Can", "overcome", "get". Y-yes. And if they don't? Let it be better not.

[MKPU-115]

First original article:
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/33841/the-air-force-is-buying-eight-of-these-missiles-set-to-become-its-first-hypersonic-weapons
Translation:
The US Air Force plans to purchase at least eight prototypes of the AGM-183A with air-launched weapons. An initial batch of hypersonic missiles will be required for live-fire flight tests, due to begin in 2021. The tests should help to use the weapon a year later. However, there is a risk of delays as the project is already one year behind schedule.

[rocket757]

will be able to reach speeds up to 6,5 - Mach 8.

Normal, but not higher than others.
What did the striped president say there? They have something that others do not have !!! who are the others who have no such thing? Papuans, or what?

[Alien From]

Ace up my sleeve. Clearly marked

[MKPU-115]

Second original article dated October 13, 2020:
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/37045/air-force-says-new-hypersonic-missile-will-hit-targets-1000-miles-away-in-under-12-minutes
Translation:
The US Air Force says the hypersonic accelerator warhead in its FUTURE AGM-183A hypersonic rapid response missile will fly at an average speed of 5000 to 6000 mph. This would be roughly between Mach 6,5 and Mach 8. At this speed, it would only take 10-12 minutes to hit targets 1000 miles away. Air Force Major General Andrew Gebara, director of strategic plans, programs and requirements, Air Force Global Strike Command (AFGSC), disclosed this information in an interview with Air Force magazine.

It is expected to be the first hypersonic weapon to enter service with the US military, an airborne rapid reaction weapon, or ARRW, which is pronounced “arrow,” will be carried by the command's B-52H strategic bombers.

This is about the warhead, and the hypersonic missile is the future.
The author of the article is simply a provocateur who deliberately distorted the facts.
Use the source

[Phoenix]

Avant-garde at minimum salaries. A strange concept.

[Ferrari Stradale]

The avant-garde has the mass and dimensions of a car and can only be launched from a silo ICBM. The vanguard occupies the space inside the missile as 8 conventional warheads. The Vanguard perspective is none.
The American one is the size of a laptop, not a nuclear one, it is launched from a conventional aircraft rocket, while flying below Mach 10 does not hit the full Blackout (plasma), so it can use TERCOM, altimeter, GPS, satellite communications. You will see exactly this miracle in a couple of years will shoot at Iran. And the Vanguard will be fermented in the mine forever and ever.

[Svetlana]

Quote: Machete

If it was created in response, then, too, somehow too quickly. As if by magic.
Either it has been in development for a long time or they are lying.

"In response" should be understood as a diplomatic phrase. Political diplomats never tell the truth. Appeared later, it means: In response.

[Old26]

Quote: Dead Day

damn it .. and our Commander-in-Chief, said that they were ten years behind .. I was wrong again.

Comrade! All the time, the USA and the USSR went head to head in their developments. In some ways they were ahead, in some we were. But the scientific and technical potential of the countries was about the same size. Therefore, one can expect that they will lag behind for 10 or even 20 years only in speeches for the electorate. And even then it is fraught. Once they will catch up with us in 2-3 years, the second, the third - then they will stop believing the words of the speaker (and most of them).
All the more so since they have come to grips with atmospheric hypersonic cruise missiles with a direct flow before we do our Zircon. Their Kh-43A began testing in 2001, and in 2004 set a speed record for such missiles - 9,6M or 3,2 km / s
The X-51 began testing in 2010 and flew 2013 km in 6 minutes at an altitude of 18,2 km.
For information. According to open data, the Zircon's throw tests began in 2012. so it is certainly possible to dream that they are 10-20 years behind us, but it will more resemble the position of an ostrich.
Moreover, the number of potential carriers for AGM-183A ARRW - only B-52H they have about 65 (41 in service and up to 24 can be put into operation within 1-2 months. Plus B-1B in the amount of more than 60 pieces. How many carriers of "Dagger" do we have ???
And we all cover them with hats

Quote: Sydor Amenpospestovich

Quote: Dead Day

damn it .. and our Commander-in-Chief, said that they were ten years behind .. I was wrong again.

Is this an analogue of the Vanguard or Zircon?

This is an analogue of the "Dagger"

Quote: ancient

Quote: Dead Day

and our Commander-in-Chief, said that they were ten years behind ... I was wrong again.

Our Gerasimov stated that we have 450 km in 4,5 minutes and at the same time M> 8 (although no matter how you count and "adjust" ... more than 4,8 M .. well, it just doesn't work)

You, comrade, have a small error in the calculations. For the most part, it is logical. It was officially announced that the marching (maximum) speed of the Zircon is 2,6 km / s, or, translated into the M number, 8,66 Mach speeds.
If you divide 450 km by 270 seconds (4,5 minutes), then the speed will be 1,7 km / s or 5,5M. But the speed of 1,6 km / s (5,5M) is the average speed. After all, there was an acceleration section when the booster rocket accelerated to about 4,8M, after which a hypersonic ramjet engine started working, accelerating it to a speed of 8,66M. Then the braking section, when the rocket began descent from 28 km to the target, braking in the atmosphere from a speed of 8,66M to I think 3-4M. That is why the average speed is 1,6 km / s or 5,5M

Quote: Stas157

And what kind of engine is there? It was never revealed. Ramjet or like the Dagger?

The article says

It is known that the rocket will receive a solid-propellant engine and a detachable hypersonic gliding warhead.

So, like the "Dagger" - a solid-propellant rocket engine

Quote: lucul

No offense, but you think tactically.
With special ammunition, the hyperrocket does not need jewelry accuracy.
And yes, missiles sometimes miss)))

And where will the special unit be on this American rocket glider? We do not know the dimensions. And if theoretically a nuclear charge can be placed under the fairing of the Dagger, then it is not known whether it can be inserted into the glider or under the fairing of the Zircon.

Quote: voyaka uh

1) Elbrus is a Scud. They shot at the object, hit a residential building. 2) Point or Iskander - unclear. But they were being shot. Into milk.
3) Laura slightly damaged the bridge, but did not hit the supports. The CR would have hit exactly the support.
4) There is nothing to say about smaller missiles.
Rubble on the balconies ...

1. No comment. "Elbrus" = "SCUD"
2. Most likely "Point". There was a photograph showing the wreckage of a rocket with lattice rudders. Iskander does not have them.
3. I didn't hit the support, but I got into the bridge. Laura has a KVO of 10, which means that 50% of the missiles fired must hit this radius. I got it. Bridge partially damaged

Quote: bars1

The Americans cut the sturgeon. ”And then they shouted 20M!

20M shouted by the media

Quote: MKPU-115

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

ARRW is also planned to be installed on B-1.
Who cares about the original article: https://www.airforcemag.com/article/buff-up/

These are all US PLANS
"In December 2019, the US Department of Defense issued a new contract to Lockheed Martin for the full development, testing and preparation for serial production of the ARRW missile, totaling $ 988,832 million. The work should be carried out very quickly and be completed by December 31, 2022."

So everyone has plans, Vitaly! We plan to deploy the "Dagger" on the TU-22M3M, which is not yet in the troops. We plan to deploy Zircon on the same TU-232M3M, which is just being tested. We plan to deploy a heavy Sarmat ICBM, which has not yet been tested (by the way, the deployment plans are in 2022). These are all plans ... I think they will meet the deadline. There is nothing supernova in this rocket. Conventional aeroballistic rocket

Quote: lucul

the United States will undoubtedly have hypersonic weapons real and effective, unlike the cartoonish Russian

And which turned out to be so huge that even the F-15 cannot lift it? )))

Well, Vitaly, our "Dagger" also raises not only a bomber, but also a MIG-31

[voyaka uh]

"After all, there was an acceleration section, when the rocket boosted to about 4,8M, after which a hypersonic ramjet engine started working, accelerating it to a speed of 8,66M. Then the deceleration section, when the rocket began descending from 28 km to the target, braking in the atmosphere ... "////
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Couldn't it be the other way around? The booster clocked up to 8 MAX at an altitude of 28 km, and then planing to 5 MAX, and descent to the target 3-4 MAX?
Without direct flow.
Is there enough oxygen at 28 km for a straight-through?

[Ferrari Stradale]

First, the Zircon booster stage brings the rocket to heights, then the rocket drops the booster stage and turns on the scramjet engine and goes into hypersound for 5-8 max, the rocket reaches the intended search point, the radar turns on, the scramjet engine turns off, then the rocket drops the SU (power plant) and turns into a conventional gliding warhead (with ARGSN) down to the target. In dense layers of the atmosphere, the Zircon warhead begins to decelerate due to the force of air resistance, the higher the speed, the stronger the resistance, the braking .... At low altitudes, the warhead must have a subsonic speed.

[Ferrari Stradale]

As for the Americans, they are doing better. Their HAWC hypersonic rocket is more likely to have a hybrid engine, allowing the rocket not only to fly at hypersonic altitude, but also to maintain the rocket engine at supersonic speed in the dense layers of the atmosphere. As we can see, their power plant (air intake) is not detachable. This gives the superiority of HAWC over Zircon in its capabilities to remain a rocket, which means intensive maneuvering and a missile defense breakthrough.

.

[Ali]

Quote: FerrariStradale

As for the Americans, then they are doing better. Their HAWC hypersonic missile would rather have a hybrid engine that allows the rocket not only to fly at hypersonic altitude, but also to keep the rocket engine running at supersonic speed in the dense atmosphere.

FerrariStradale (FerrariStradale). Live from the beginning to this, and then you will learn will or will not be! In the meantime, only vague statements and no more ... The Americans are doing better, no further projects! And Russia is in service and in prototypes!

[Ferrari Stradale]

Russia also has a vaccine in service, the first in the world, only now it has not even passed the test stages. And already supposedly the first in the world ... The first in the world for show. Show me a photo of Zircon? Creating a mythology of supremacy on TV is a hobby. The first in the world ... where else? At the Olympics in Sochi ... Why fool yourself. Live in parallel reality

[voyaka uh]

What is shown in the pictures will fit into the Onyx launch container,
from which the Zircon was launched?

[Ferrari Stradale]

Come on, last week a regular Onyx rocket was launched. No Zircon was launched. And even if they did launch it, they did not shoot it on camera.

[Spkrdctr]

As a retired US Defense Analyst, I can tell you that the Lockheed missile is many years away from any deployment with the US forces. Research and prototype weapons do not go into production for years later. I would guess maybe 2027-2030 at the earliest.

[OgnennyiKotik]

we rely only on open sources, we don't know what's going on in secret. In the US, many tests of hypersonic weapons were conducted openly, but we do not know what is happening in Area 51 and similar ranges. for example, the existence of RQ170 was first discovered in Afghanistan and there is still no information about their quantity and price.

[Robinson]

Well, let the United States measure up ... This is their problem! And we are already placing them on alert

[Deniso]

There is no data on the dimensions of the rocket and its mass, which does not allow us to give it an objective assessment. Our Zircon fits into a standard cell, which makes it the most versatile carrier. Does their AGM-183A fit into an Mk41 or Mk-56? I'm afraid not. Well ...

[Deniso]

Developing does not mean getting. It is not for the hegemons to fly to the moon, here you really need to work hard.

[Old26]

Quote: voyaka uh

"After all, there was an acceleration section, when the rocket boosted to about 4,8M, after which a hypersonic ramjet engine started working, accelerating it to a speed of 8,66M. Then the deceleration section, when the rocket began descending from 28 km to the target, braking in the atmosphere ... "////
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Couldn't it be the other way around? The booster clocked up to 8 MAX at an altitude of 28 km, and then planing to 5 MAX, and descent to the target 3-4 MAX?
Without direct flow.
Is there enough oxygen at 28 km for a straight-through?

It is known that the Zircon covered 450 km in 270 seconds. Average speed - 1,7 km / s
This is, so to speak, officially announced data.

Although the cat cried data on "Zircon", but let's reason and try to get indirect data
So what do we know. Approximately the length and diameter of the transport and launch container are known. It is 720 mm. This means that the diameter of the "Zircon-booster" complex itself will be somewhere around 650 millimeters. The diameter of the American booster is approximately the same. The length of the TPK for Onyx and Zircon is 8,9 meters.

What is known about the approximate American analogue
The length of the entire "rocket-booster" complex is 7,65 m, the length of the booster is 3,3 m, the length of the hypersonic apparatus is 4,25 m
The weight of the complex is 814 kg, the weight of the apparatus is 672 kg (of which 120 kg of fuel), the weight of the booster is 1142 kg
The speed reached 5,1M (at this speed it flew for 210 seconds). The total flight time is 370 seconds. During this time, he covered a distance of 426 km.

Now your question. From a purely technical point of view, there is no problem to accelerate a hypersonic rocket with a booster to a speed of 8 m. I just have a serious suspicion that then this hypersonic device will be generally scanty in size. now the booster needs to accelerate it to a speed of 4,8M (if it has a straight-through) and the booster will be shorter than if it has to accelerate to 8M. Then it is generally not clear what the length of the "Zircon" will be.
Gliding up to a speed of 5M is also no problem. But do not forget that the booster is no longer working and when planning, it will not only reduce its speed to 5M, but also lose altitude. But the descent - I think even less. That de "Iskander" has a flight speed of 2,1 km / s (6M), and near the ground - 700-800 m / s, i.e. 2-2,5M.
And the most important thing. Then all the talk about a range of 100 km from "Zircon" is crap. For there is no direct flow, there is no booster, while gliding it will begin to lose speed and altitude and will not reach the 1000 km line

Is there enough oxygen at this altitude? I think that's enough. In general, they say that the marching height of hypersonic aircraft with a direct flow should be within 30, and some say 40 km

Quote: FerrariStradale

First, the Zircon booster stage brings the rocket to heights, then the rocket drops the booster stage and turns on the scramjet engine and goes into hypersound for 5-8 max, the rocket reaches the intended search point, the radar turns on, the scramjet engine turns off, then the rocket drops the SU (power plant) and turns into a conventional gliding warhead (with ARGSN) down to the target. In dense layers of the atmosphere, braking of the Zircon warhead begins due to the force of air resistance, the higher the speed, the stronger the resistance, the braking .... the warhead itself also slows down to increase controllability, because on supersonic the accuracy of the defeat can be up to 60m CEP. At low altitudes, the warhead must have a subsonic speed.

I wrote about the same thing for comrades. I just didn't talk about the jettisonable power plant

[Ferrari Stradale]

There is a publicly available patent of NPO Mashinostroenie (developer of Zircon) for a hypersonic missile.
This is not classified information. There you can read about how Zircon works. Link:

https://www1.fips.ru/fips_servl/fips_servlet?DB=RUPAT&DocNumber=2579409&TypeFile=html

It is clear from the patent that Russia did not bother with the development of a hybrid scramjet engine, therefore Zircon is a gliding ammunition at the final stage with subsonic speed and without maneuverability. Most likely, the budget and time are limited, and the authorities gave the task to create something before the signing of START in order to intimidate America, like with the Vanguard.
The United States, as always, has freedom, creativity, silicon valleys, an unlimited budget, several corporations and they will receive more advanced weapons than Zircon. This does not mean that the American will be faster, but it will definitely be more maneuverable, and this is the guarantee of a better air defense breakthrough.
Unfortunately, 99% of people believed in the INVINCIBLE SUPER-WEAPON OF RUSSIA, which at Mach 8 will break the aircraft carriers in half .. In fact, the AUG is easy to intercept such a target as the Zircon warhead. In addition, AUG can supply carbon clouds that make ships invisible to IR and ARGSN.

[Ali]

Quote: FerrariStradale

The United States, as always, has freedom, creativity, silicon valleys, an unlimited budget, several corporations and they will get better weapons than the Zircon. This does not mean that american will be faster but for sure will be more agile, and this isa sign of better air defense breakthrough.

FerrariStradale. "Don't say GOP until you've jumped!" Baby talk!

[Nemchinov Vl]

Quote: FerrariStradale

In addition, AUG can supply carbon clouds that make ships invisible to IR and ARGSN.

?!

[Ferrari Stradale]

Carbon clouds are reflectors of radio waves and infrared. They can create such interference for hours. ...

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: FerrariStradale

In fact, the AUG is easy to intercept a target like the Zircon warhead.

It is extremely difficult, but the probability of such an event is not at all zero.

Quote: FerrariStradale

In addition, AUG can supply carbon clouds that make ships invisible to IR and ARGSN.

This is stupidity you deigned to say.

Quote: FerrariStradale

The standard S-300 missile defense system has a range of 75 km, but this is the point of the missile falling with its nose into the ground, and destroy it if it will be at an altitude above 10 km. This means that the radius for a high-altitude target must be at least 30% less.

And here you are mistaken. It is not customary for us to indicate the range of missiles.
We, for our complexes, indicate the FAR BORDER OF THE SAMPLING ZONE. And 75 km this is the distant border and not the range of the missile defense system. The range of the SAM flight is one and a half times higher.
ZONE OF DAMAGE OF SAM - the area of ​​space within which the defeat of an air target by an anti-aircraft guided missile is ensured under the design conditions of firing with a given probability. Taking into account the effectiveness of shooting, it determines the reach of the complex in terms of height, range and heading parameter.
The far border of the SAM defeat zone - the maximum range at which targets are hit with a probability not lower than the specified one.
Summary - the launch range, the far border of the SAM defeat zone, the range of the SAM flight are not different values ​​either. And at a distance of 75 km, the S-300 air defense system hits targets in the entire range of altitudes.
I will give an example from the Osse-MA that I once studied - the launch range at a transonic target is about 15 kilometers, the far border of the affected area = 10 km, the range of missiles along the optimal ballistic trajectory is up to 30 km.

[Ali]

Quote: Ali

Quote: voyaka uh (Alexey)

F-15? This is a conspicuous plane.
Kilometers from 200 will knock him down with the S-400.
But the F-35 with such things in the inner compartment can
fly up and on 50 km unnoticed... Drop those bombs, turn around and fly away.

voyaka uh (Alexey), deliberately not bothered, from time to time, to write a lie!
The S-400 radar will detect the S-400 F-35 with an average image intensifier = 0,3 m2 at a distance of D = 313,990 km in free space, and then the F-35 will be guaranteed to be destroyed by a 40N6 anti-aircraft missile with ARGSN over the horizon ...
And the F-15 will be detected earlier at a greater distance in free space, and is guaranteed to be shot down by a 40N6 anti-aircraft missile in view of the larger F-15 image intensifier!

Quote: FerrariStradale (FerrariStradale)

What 200 km))))) It is possible to shoot down a heavy class fighter only within a radius of tens of kilometers, to shoot down a fighter at a distance of 100 km, you need a significant overspending of missiles and a minute and a half of the missile's air defense missile system, stupid pilot and good luck. During this time, the F-15 will be able to leave in 2 strikes.
The standard S-300 missile defense system has a range of 75 km, but this is the point of the missile falling with its nose into the ground, and destroy it if it will be at an altitude above 10 km. This means that the radius for a high-altitude target must be at least 30% less.

Yes, the knowledge of these beauties! Stary26, are you enrolled as propagandists?

[voyaka uh]

"But do not forget that the booster is no longer working and when planning, it will not only reduce the speed to 5M,
but also lose height "////
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I was referring to planing with a working turbojet engine, like conventional cruise missiles.
The speed will gradually decrease, but it can maintain altitude for more or less a long time,
if the wings are of a decent size.

[Old26]

Quote: Ali

Stary26, are you enrolled as propagandists?

Why's that? At least I am not talking about the plasma and hypersonic impact velocities in every line. If I described the algorithm, then the way I see it. True, no one wrote, what is the mistake of my reasoning.

Quote: voyaka uh

I was referring to planing with a working turbojet engine, like conventional cruise missiles.
The speed will gradually decrease, but it can maintain altitude for more or less a long time,
if the wings are of a decent size.

The presence of another engine will complicate the system, increase its size, and then it is unlikely to fit into cell 3C14. In addition, it is not known whether a conventional turbojet will work at such speeds. He also cannot release wings of a decent size. In their folded state, the rocket should fit into a TPK with an outer diameter of 720 mm, i.e. 72 cm

[Lesorub]

In the United States revealed the characteristics of the hypersonic missile AGM-183A ARRW

With the colossal financial capabilities of the states, they are not stamped in a short time.

[Old26]

Quote: Brancodd

"Dagger" adopted in 2018.

Not accepted, but put on experimental combat duty and tests continued last year. In this I do not know, but for sure they were. I have not yet met the information about the adoption of the "Dagger"

Quote: Brancodd

The Americans plan to achieve "operational readiness" by 2020 by 2020. Most likely, by this wording, they mean the completion of tests.

"operational readiness" is really the end of the test and the beginning of the arrival of products in the troops. The interval between these events can be times. If the production is ready, then it is shorter, if not, then it is longer

Quote: Brancodd

Considering that in almost all projects over the past 30 years there has been no case that they did not shift to the right in terms of timing. Minimum 2 years. This, so to speak, if it works out at all. Because some of the projects ended in failure. It turns out that with the most favorable development of the project the gap will be 7 years. This is at the most favorable.

The calculation is not entirely correct, we can only know about the shift "to the right". - the rest - we do not know the time to reach operational readiness and each product may be different

[Igor Semenov]

6-8 Mach looks somehow more believable 27 in controlled flight in dense layers of the atmosphere

[Imperial Technocrat]

In the USA, the characteristics of the plastic layout of the AGM-183A ARRW hypersonic missile were revealed

[Flurry]

Most likely in Zircon there is a real scramjet engine. In any case, the calculations for power engineering converge (fuel supply, speed, flight range, vehicle weight).

[Tuesday]

Yes, they have no hypersound behind their souls! An ordinary lie to maintain the image, such as the statement about the construction of a non-traction engine 15 years ago. In one word, the Empire of Lies!

[Old26]

Quote: Torak

Yes, they have no hypersound behind their souls!

Not at all? There is no motor, no non-motor? If so, then I just envy "The depth of your knowledge of the topic"

[Old26]

Quote: Xscorpion

Only here it flew in real life, but they have it on paper. At the moment, LM just won the tender and they were allocated taxpayers' funds for testing. And what happens, we will see in a year.

So their X-43 and X-51 in the early 2000s and early this decade flew in real life. And the Kh-43A record for "motor hypersound" has not yet been broken ...

Quote: Torak

Kindergarten What is so fast? Nothing has been built yet, it is being written in the future tense, what else will happen sometime ...

That is, when they talk about plans, about what will be built - this is a kindergarten, and when we start talking about the Sarmat super-rocket, which has not yet passed flight tests, or the Poseidon super torpedo, are these "real samples of weapons?" ?? double standards. What usually we blame the statesmen

Quote: Torak

In general, they have very serious problems in this area. It is not for nothing that 2 out of three developers jumped off and suffered major losses.

Well, all at once and cannot build something separately and the same TTZ. We also have an assignment for missiles, a couple of companies begin to work on the topic, then, realizing that they will not pull, they will not be able to reach the specified TTT, they "jump off", as you say. Incurring losses, because it is cheap to design, build models, build prototypes, it is impossible to test them

Quote: ZEMCH

In the USSR, the X-90 was brought to the flight model, which in fact was the first hypersonic cruise missile, with a range of 3500 km, was launched from the Tu-160, showed 6M during tests, but the collapse of the USSR and the lack of money in Russia put the project on the shelf, as I understand now revived and improved based on these developments.

But there is not a single confirmation of this significant event. This X-90 - the product of our journalists, who made a conclusion based on interviews, but, as always, composed to the maximum. I was at one of the MAKS, which demonstrated GELA - the prototype of the hypersonic apparatus, which received the name in the press X-90... To a question to a specialist who stood at this "unit" - "and how many times has she flown at this speed" the answer was received - "This is the theoretically calculated speed"

Furthermore. The dimensions of the bomb bay on the TU-160 are such that this X-90... For this hypersonic missile, a Tu-160M ​​bomber with an oversized bomb bay was to be created, in which this missile could fit.
Further. How could it be possible to test this X-90 on something, when for acceleration for the speed at which the hypersonic direct-flow engine will start working, a starting accelerator of decent size is needed.
And the most important thing. Index X for air-to-ground missiles it is assigned only after the product is put into service or at least put on experimental combat duty (which is the forerunner of adoption). Until then, it only has a constructor index. But when X-90 was put into service - no one knows.

For example... A cruise missile was created, which had an open (not secret) design index 9-A-2648... And only when it was put into service received its army name X-101... But its modification, which has not been adopted for service, has only a design index, but an index X- ..... - does not.
Reanimate X-90 - and what kind of carrier will it have? After all, even with folded planes, she did not climb into the bomb bay