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Serbian experts: The collapse of the Soviet Union continues today

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Serbian experts: The collapse of the Soviet Union continues today

The Soviet Union has not yet disintegrated to the extent that those who prepared this fate for it in 1991 wanted it. The spirit of the first socialist country seems to continue to live. Slobodan Samardzhia writes about this for the Serbian newspaper Politika.


After the collapse of the Soviet Union, some former Soviet republics, now free sovereign states, were swept by a wave of internal and external conflicts: the Orange Revolution in Ukraine, the Rose Revolution in Georgia, the Tulip Revolution in Kyrgyzstan, unrest in Belarus, the war between Armenia and Azerbaijan in Nagorno-Karabakh, conflict between Moldova and the self-proclaimed Transnistrian Republic.

In the author's opinion, the collapse of the USSR caught many by surprise, but it continues today. The former republics suddenly became independent states with their own borders. Some have found a common language in these new circumstances, some have not. Those who are dissatisfied today either revolt against themselves, or are fighting against their friends of yesterday.

After the Soviet Union ceased to exist, many ties remained unbroken. People continued to live next to each other, go to the same job, to the same school, and get together on weekends and holidays. The boundaries drawn between the new states did not always appear in people's heads. To correct this, divide the peoples, and color revolutions and internecine wars were invented.

In general, everything suggests that the Soviet Union has not yet collapsed to the extent that those who had prepared for it this fate wanted it. On the contrary, the spirit of the first socialist country seems to continue to live on. It is distorted, not adapted to new circumstances, but undoubtedly present

- the author is sure.

The West, having collapsed the USSR, was unable to offer a worthy alternative to this state, sums up Slobodan Samardzhia.
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  1. Pereira
    Pereira 15 October 2020 09: 42
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    The West, having collapsed the USSR, was unable to offer a worthy alternative to this state, sums up Slobodan Samardzhia.

    Was the West going to offer something? In my opinion, he only demands.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 15 October 2020 09: 48
      17
      Quote: Pereira
      Was the West going to offer something? In my opinion, he only demands.

      To the horror of the West, the USSR will be reborn! Well, there is no other development than the replacement of the capitalist system with a socialist one. And again, everyone will suddenly remember how well they lived under socialism and will run to Moscow screaming "in our hearts we have always been with you, even though we had to speak and act to your detriment."
      1. apro
        apro 15 October 2020 10: 13
        +6
        Quote: Egoza
        To the horror of the West, the USSR will be reborn!

        The Russians themselves do not want this ... and all the more so since today there is neither theory nor people capable of moving them ... so abandoning dreams, even a pimple itself will not jump up ... you have to work.
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 15 October 2020 10: 38
          +8
          Quote: apro
          The Russians themselves do not want this.

          You don't have to speak for everyone. For example, I really want to.
          and especially since today there is neither theory nor people capable of moving them

          There are people, but there is no required quantity .. there will be quantity, it will definitely turn into quality.
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          so that leaving dreams. even a pimple itself will not jump up ... you have to work.

          The dream cannot be abandoned, it must be promoted, unless, of course, there is a desire to see your homeland great again. And I agree that we need to work for this purpose. At least with their own environment.
          1. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 15 October 2020 10: 53
            +1
            Quote: Svarog
            and especially since today there is neither theory nor people capable of moving them

            There are people, but there is no required quantity .. there will be quantity, it will definitely turn into quality.

            they wrote to you directly that there is no theory of socialism, just as there was none in the Soviet era. Simple and straightforward theory.
            1. Svarog
              Svarog 15 October 2020 10: 59
              +2
              Quote: aybolyt678
              they wrote to you directly that there is no theory of socialism, just as there was none in the Soviet era. Simple and straightforward theory.

              How is it not? Very simple and straightforward. It is enough to study this question. In economic terms, Oleg Komolov is excellent at talking about the difference. I also recommend watching Konstantin Semin. Everything is very clear and accessible language. Well, from the classics "Capital" you need to read))
              1. Astra55
                Astra55 15 October 2020 13: 37
                +2
                There are many supporters of the socialist development model on the site.
                But you cannot hear from anyone how it will look in practice in the 21st century. Now the majority of the people will not send them to the Internet - google articles widely known in narrow circles, and even more so reread the classics of Marxism-Leninism. Everyone has no time. All have "clip" thinking - did not meet in 30 seconds, did not interest - goodbye.
                So I would like to hear the supporters of socialism here and now.
                That it would not be socialism at the beginning of the 20th century, when the highest measure of social protection was applied for just one belonging to the "exploiting" class.
                Probably the ideas of socialism are not just for all the good, against all the bad. That all the good things that are now will automatically remain and free education, medicine, apartments will be added to this ... It is hard to believe in this.
                Let's not forget about the restrictions that existed under socialism - there was a shortage of goods (now no one knows this word); there was no free travel abroad (many will not like it now if they say that it is impossible to fly to Turkey anymore); you cannot order goods from abroad (remember "Ali"); a car is a luxury (now every family has a car); everyone is obliged to support and approve of the Party's policy ...
                There were cons, there were pluses. Now our society is of course unfair, but its advantages cannot be denied either.
                So, can a supporter of Sots. Ideas to explain in a nutshell - why is it necessary to support the socialist path of development?
                1. Svarog
                  Svarog 15 October 2020 14: 00
                  +3
                  But you cannot hear from anyone how it will look in practice in the 21st century.

                  Whoever wants to hear will hear. See Komolov, Semin, Platoshkin .. Platoshkin has a complete program in general ..
                  All have "clip" thinking - did not meet in 30 seconds, did not interest - goodbye.

                  That's right.
                  That it would not be socialism at the beginning of the 20th century, when the highest measure of social protection was applied for just one belonging to the "exploiting" class.

                  It will depend on how the power will be transferred from the capitalists to the socialists .. And how difficult the situation in the country will be at that moment.
                  Probably the ideas of socialism are not just for all the good, against all the bad. That all the good things that are now will automatically remain and free education, medicine, apartments will be added to this ... It is hard to believe in this.

                  From what is now, I would leave the possibility of free movement around the world. Nothing good comes to mind anymore. What do you think is there now, what's good?
                  And why is it hard to believe? We've had it for 70 years ..
                  Let's not forget about the restrictions that were under socialism - there was a shortage of goods (now no one knows this word

                  Now, have you noticed a shortage of money? And there is no money, no goods ... This is a dubious advantage, to go and look at the windows and not be able to purchase ..
                  Everything needed in the USSR was of hunger, no one was dying. And then, this is not a problem that cannot be solved ...
                  you cannot order goods from abroad (remember "Ali"); a car is a luxury (now a car in every family)

                  Cars have fallen in price around the world in relation to the salary 10-15 times .. in comparison with the 70s ..
                  So it will never be a luxury ... It's certainly not about premium models for 6-20 lamas.
                  Now our society is of course unfair, but its advantages cannot be denied either.

                  What are the advantages of today's society?
                  So, can a supporter of Sots. Ideas to explain in a nutshell - why is it necessary to support the socialist path of development?

                  So you yourself answered this question .. From everything you wrote, I realized that three things are important for you .. the availability of assortment in the store, free travel to Turkey, the ability to buy in Ali .. I am sure that under the socialists all this will remain )) And free medicine, education, the development of science, production will be added .. all workers will begin to live according to the Labor Code, like the rest according to the Criminal Code, Civil Code .. in other words, compliance with the law .. social justice, equal opportunities ..
                  1. Astra55
                    Astra55 15 October 2020 15: 23
                    -1
                    Everything is beautiful.
                    And what about private property? Petr Petrovich, who is engaged in transportation on his Gazelle, will not force his old woman to hand over to the ATP and get a job there himself?
                    And Zhenya, who in his garage repairs all cars, will not be declared a parasite living on unearned income, will not threaten him with a finger, that if he does not settle down, then you can get under the Article for parasitism?
                    There are so many nuances. We somehow got used to all this and take it for granted. Meanwhile, the purchase of currency was a firing squad. Now go up to some young citizen who has just changed rubles for euros in the bank and say, "You know that for what you did just some 40 years ago, they shot you." I think the lady will be shocked.
                    It means all the same it is necessary "for all good against all bad." The Tsar of Russia is needed. Normal. Vaughn Joseph Vissarionovich took and built the Country. Petr Alekseevich 300 years earlier took and created the Empire.
                    And it's not about socialism / capitalism here.
                    My opinion.
                    1. Svarog
                      Svarog 15 October 2020 15: 44
                      +4
                      And what about private property? Petr Petrovich, who is engaged in transportation on his Gazelle, will not force his old woman to hand over to the ATP and get a job there himself?

                      Let's speculate about private property and is it really private property? Let's take real estate .. Here you have an apartment in private ownership, suppose you closed the mortgage and became a full-fledged owner .. But it so happened that there is no job or health problems .. and there is nothing to pay .. When the debt for the apartment reaches 200 thousand , the management company will sue you and your apartment will go under the hammer .. Since it will be put up for auction, it will be bought cheap, the rest of the amount will be returned to you, but the money will be enough for a shack ..
                      As for Petr Petrovich, small business will exist, but under the control of the state and in a certain association.
                      Meanwhile, buying currency was a firing squad.

                      And rightly so. But the price tag for the goods was immediately printed and for decades the prices did not change .. Why do you need currency? If only for a vacation abroad ..
                      It means all the same it is necessary "for all good against all bad." The Tsar of Russia is needed.

                      There we go .. we have a zeroed tsar and economic indicators are getting closer to tsarist Russia. Under the tsar there were 14% educated, the highest infant mortality in the world, household syphilis was the norm .. The peasants were losing cards as well as the stocks of wheat .. In general, you need to tighten up the story, propaganda paints those times beautifully .. crunch of rolls and so on , only 4% crunched a roll, and the rest plowed in the fields, 90% of the economy is the agricultural sector.
                      Vaughn Joseph Vissarionovich took and built the Country.

                      I. In Steel, more than one country was built and built thanks to the communist idea ... There is nothing without ideas ... first an idea, then a goal ... And as you know, he did it in very harsh conditions and in a short period of time ...

                      And it's not about socialism / capitalism here.


                      It's ideology that matters ..
                    2. Egoza
                      Egoza 17 October 2020 09: 42
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                      And what about private property? Petr Petrovich, who is engaged in transportation on his Gazelle, will not force his old woman to hand over to the ATP and get a job there himself?

                      And you read here - Artels in the USSR - flourishing under Stalin and destruction under Khrushchev
                      Source: https://adne.info/arteli-v-sssr/
                      So they will be revived under socialism. And, yes, a "parasite" is one who does not work at all, sits on someone's neck. So Zhenya, that all cars should be repaired, no one will write down as parasites. He will register, pay the tax and repair the cars further.
                  2. Normal ok
                    Normal ok 16 October 2020 10: 29
                    -2
                    "Those who wish to hear will hear. See Komolov, Semin, Platoshkin .. Platoshkin has a complete program in general .."

                    The fact of the matter is that the idea must be conveyed to the masses, and not wait for someone to hear himself. So the classics taught.
                2. aybolyt678
                  aybolyt678 15 October 2020 18: 21
                  +6
                  Quote: Astra55
                  So, can a supporter of Sots. Ideas to explain in a nutshell - why is it necessary to support the socialist path of development?

                  I read Marx and others and modern ones, in a nutshell it won't work, but I'll try 15 lines. - there is no pure socialism and never was. There were elements of it. "Free" yummies for everyone. Education medicine housing. And also the apparatus regulating "fair" distribution .. with its own complications described by you. smile However, from a mathematical point of view, socialism is preferable, because it is not so expensive. For example, supermarkets are long streets with shops where there are more bored sellers than buyers. Under socialism, digital, this situation is not possible, there will be as many shops as needed. There will be no need to contain them. The socialist mathematician of the beginning of the century Karl Bullod calculated that socialism is 3 times more effective than capitalism because it does not have its diseases. By this, by the way, he inspired Lenin to go to GOELRO. Or such a disease as competition - with the death of losing firms. Under socialism, planned and scientific approach - is also out of the question. By the way, this same Ballod suggested a non-revolutionary path to Socialism. Pretty interesting. In short, this is a matter of political will and a deeply scientific approach. Ideally, today Belarus would be an ideal platform for alternative development. And a very important point, today public ownership of the means of production is easily replaced by a progressive scale of taxation as a means of distributing the social product. Thanks for the question, how could I tellsmile
                  1. Elturisto
                    Elturisto 15 October 2020 19: 21
                    +6
                    Thanks for the smart post. I also think that socialism is a more perfect formation, and I also always look at the system of distribution of goods when there is shit on the shelves, and there are a lot of idlers in trade ...
              2. Egoza
                Egoza 15 October 2020 19: 30
                +1
                Quote: Svarog
                Well, from the classics "Capital" you need to read))

                And I would also recommend the works of I.V. Stalin. And study in detail the years under his leadership. It is not for nothing that the works of V.I. Lenin and I.V. Stalin is studied at US universities. This is very revealing.
                1. Misha Honest
                  Misha Honest 15 October 2020 21: 44
                  0
                  Quote: Egoza
                  And I would also recommend the works of I.V. Stalin. And study in detail the years under his leadership. It is not for nothing that the works of V.I. Lenin and I.V. Stalin is studied at US universities. This is very revealing.

                  Perhaps only in the Russian Federation itself, the authorities call Stalin a murderer and other bad words ... Just show me a person who is ready to go against the "Party of Vlast"? request
            2. orionvitt
              orionvitt 15 October 2020 17: 36
              +3
              Quote: aybolyt678
              there is no theory of socialism, just as there was none in the Soviet era. Simple and clear theory

              Very much even, it just needs to be comprehensively studied and constantly developed. And there will never be a simple and understandable theory on such a complex issue as socio-political formations and social relations. By the way, is there a theory of capitalism? Say there is, proof of this is the works of the same Marx. Have you dealt with capitalism and its theory? There are a million published books and scientific papers on the topic. But if you figured it out, then where do the constant political and economic crises come from? Especially striking is the naivety, the tale that "the market will settle everything." laughing Oh, in general, you want it simply and clearly, and so "from all according to ability, to all according to work." Simple and straightforward, but explains nothing.
              1. aybolyt678
                aybolyt678 15 October 2020 18: 27
                0
                Quote: orionvitt
                if you want it simply and clearly, and so "from all according to their ability, to all according to their work." Simple and straightforward, but explains nothing.

                is it math? are abilities equal to work? and where are the needs? in which part of the equation to put them? by the way, they are endless, supposedly, but they are easily formed by the information field laughing can we write down Conscience as a social factor? as opposed to needs? the world is ruled by biology, man as a species, if he wants to survive, must learn socialism and this is the ability to self-restraint.
                1. orionvitt
                  orionvitt 15 October 2020 21: 51
                  +2
                  Quote: aybolyt678
                  and where are the needs?
                  by the way they are endless,

                  You yourself explained everything. Relying solely on needs, nothing will come of it. Everyone always wants a lot and more. And the lower the level of social responsibility, the higher the level of requests. This is human nature and you can't do anything with it. At least, with existing in our time, social theories and generally accepted sociology. The communists tried to fix this, it worked, in part, in several countries, but the entire capitalist world stood up like a wall against this project. Apparently, humanity has not suffered much yet, so all social processes are still ahead. The main thing is that "not the whole world is in dust."
                  1. aybolyt678
                    aybolyt678 15 October 2020 22: 09
                    +3
                    Quote: orionvitt
                    Relying solely on needs, nothing will come of it.

                    I am not advocating need-driven. They are on the one side of the Khrushchev equation: from each according to his ability to each according to his needs, this is communism, and socialism is from each according to his needs to each according to his work. Life has shown the unviability of the formula and the stupidity of Khrushchev. In any case, Medicine, Education, and minimum social housing must be provided by the state. Medicine and education should be equally accessible to everyone. Otherwise, fascism cannot escape when the less well-to-do are deprived of the right to life and development.
          2. apro
            apro 15 October 2020 10: 57
            0
            Quote: Svarog
            You don't have to speak for everyone. For example, I really want to.

            You are not a critical mass. And this is a private matter and not a public one. And the reasons why you want? Do you understand the essence of the communist society?
            1. Svarog
              Svarog 15 October 2020 11: 02
              +6
              Quote: apro
              Quote: Svarog
              You don't have to speak for everyone. For example, I really want to.

              You are not a critical mass. And this is a private matter and not a public one. And the reasons why you want? Do you understand the essence of the communist society?

              I am not a critical mass, but if there are more people like me, then a critical mass will arise. The reasons why I want to go back to the future are simple and straightforward. Social justice, development and greatness of the state in all spheres of life.
              1. apro
                apro 15 October 2020 11: 15
                +4
                Quote: Svarog
                The reasons why I want to go back to the future are simple and straightforward. Social justice, development and greatness of the state in all spheres of life.

                But does society want? After all, in capitalism it is easier to manifest its animal nature. And is society ready for such changes? And is it striving there?
                The problem is that communist relations must be nurtured and inculcated. This is both production and social life. But now it is in decline.
              2. aybolyt678
                aybolyt678 15 October 2020 19: 12
                +4
                Quote: Svarog
                The reasons why I want to go back to the future are simple and straightforward. Social justice, development and greatness of the state in all spheres of life.

                we all want to go there, but the most difficult question is whether the "elites" want it. There is no social justice as a concept in the Constitution of the Russian Federation.
      2. Ulrih
        Ulrih 15 October 2020 10: 23
        -11 qualifying.
        : D: D: D yeah, they lived well, everyone is asleep and sees this "gorgeous" life and wants to return it.
        1. Nazar
          Nazar 15 October 2020 10: 44
          11
          Ulrih-Colleague "lived well" or not - it's all individually, that is, as anyone. But what is objective: The alternative has disappeared from humanity. Maybe the truth is not entirely successful, but the alternative is that there was some kind of choice and the very existence of such a choice forced the same cap-countries to seriously invest in their own population (share), which led to a sharp rise in the standard of living in the west (after World War II) ... Now there is no such alternative, the fear of losing to the "Soviets" has disappeared, which means that there is no need to feed its own population - and now the stratification of society is growing before our eyes, the rich are uncontrollably getting richer, more recently the "average" are inevitably becoming poorer.
          The piquancy of the situation is that the elimination of the USSR left the capital countries without a competitor, and this, according to their own capital theory, will inevitably lead to stagnation. wink
          1. pytar
            pytar 15 October 2020 11: 00
            +7
            The piquancy of the situation is that the elimination of the USSR left the capital countries without a competitor, and this, according to their own capital theory, will inevitably lead to stagnation.

            A very correct idea, Igor! good Respect! hi
            1. Nazar
              Nazar 15 October 2020 11: 11
              +4
              pytar - Thanks for your support drinks .
              That is why the "communist" China does not pull the role of such an alternative, it is difficult to say what is the matter here, maybe in a very pronounced Chinese specificity, which is in no way applicable in other countries, maybe for some other reason. And since China, as an economic adversary, is quite suitable for the West, but as a civilizational alternative, as a "different path" of development, no, it does not stretch hi
              1. aybolyt678
                aybolyt678 15 October 2020 19: 15
                +4
                Quote: Nazar
                , but as a civilizational alternative, as a "different path" of development - no, it does not stretch

                I saw a situation when two of our tipsy gentlemen began to bully the Chinese, they were immediately surrounded by other Chinese who had nothing to do with the victim and recaptured him. I don’t think modern Russians are capable of this in a foreign country.
                1. Nazar
                  Nazar 16 October 2020 03: 46
                  +1
                  aybolyt678 - in a foreign country they can still fit in for a fellow countryman, but in their own country they will pass by without looking back, unless they take off the phone - "for fun" No.
              2. pytar
                pytar 16 October 2020 10: 45
                +1
                That is why the "communist" China does not pull the role of such an alternative, it is difficult to say what is the matter here, maybe in a very pronounced Chinese specificity, which is in no way applicable in other countries, maybe for some other reason. And since China, as an economic adversary, is quite suitable for the West, but as a civilizational alternative, as a "different path" of development, no, it does not stretch

                And here I completely agree with you! good We think of the same! hi
          2. Ulrih
            Ulrih 15 October 2020 11: 40
            0
            As for the competition, I agree. As for everything else, it is debatable, the middle class both lived prosperously and lives. Another thing has added other problems that, for example, Europe does not want or does not want to cope with at the moment.
            In any case, this is not a reason to gasp over the collapse of the USSR. There, too, there was a development dead end already.
            1. Nazar
              Nazar 15 October 2020 11: 51
              0
              Ulrih - Though "ahai" though not, but the USSR "left" for 30 years already, good or bad, but already "passed".
              I wrote about the fact that having a choice, even if not between "good-and very good", even a choice between "bad-and very bad", but the very existence of a choice is better than one option for everyone, because such a situation is stagnation for any system.
            2. Svarog
              Svarog 15 October 2020 13: 27
              +4
              Quote: Ulrih
              In any case, this is not a reason to gasp over the collapse of the USSR. There, too, there was a development dead end already.

              Just for the development in the USSR there was an unplowed field. There was no dead end there. The management system needed to be reformed and the motivational component. This is basic.
            3. aybolyt678
              aybolyt678 15 October 2020 19: 21
              +3
              Quote: Ulrih
              There was also a dead end of development already

              there was not a dead end in development, there was a crisis of management. There was no coherent system of training and rejection of leading personnel, a system for monitoring the effectiveness of the work of the top officials. It just didn't happen. The conventions were just a boring religious service
          3. Xnumx vis
            Xnumx vis 15 October 2020 22: 04
            +1
            China calls itself a country with a socialist system, as if ... In any case, a competitor.
      3. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 15 October 2020 10: 56
        -2
        Quote: Egoza
        To the horror of the West, the USSR will be reborn!

        Feed 13 parasites again?

        In the only republic, besides the RSFSR, which consumed less than it gave to the union budget, the president is now being appointed in Lithuania. She can feed herself - but why don't we have problems with her overly ambitious legitimate president and, all the more, with an even more ambitious fake one?

        In the republic that ALMOST fed itself, today the Nazis are in power, for 6 years they have been "at war" with us.

        All the rest - 2-3 times the excess of consumption over production. If no one in the USSR considered this, then why now we have to pay for Russophobia, for their small-town nationalism, for an openly hostile policy?

        This will not be the re-creation of the USSR, but the creation of a new country. With its 1918 year, the Civil War, the Cheka and other war communism. We, Russia, need it?
        1. Ulrih
          Ulrih 15 October 2020 11: 43
          +1
          Let me know where the firewood comes from? Somehow I doubt that Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania "fed". I read other data, though for a long time already.
          1. Zoldat_A
            Zoldat_A 15 October 2020 12: 08
            +1
            Quote: Ulrih
            Let me know where the firewood comes from?

            "Drovishki" published in "Komsomolskaya Pravda" with reference to the World Bank.

            Quote: Ulrih
            Somehow I doubt that Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania "fed".


            Do you think that the income from sprat could be used to build ports, shipyards, VEF, RAF, Dzintars, RVZ and much more? And what about integration with the entire Union? What, for example, was produced in Latvia from the spare parts and components of the "RAF" minibus? What were the buses assembled at the plant? How much is the cost of a car or a diesel locomotive to assemble from components and how many components themselves, brought from anywhere except Latvia. Free (at the expense of the union budget) thanks to the planned socialist economy, mind you.

            Not a fig for themselves, "occupation" and "THEY FOOD" ... Sprats, damn it ... Count how many countries in the world and surrounded by Russia are dreaming in wet dreams of such an "occupation" ...

            If the industry of the Baltics could feed at least the Baltics itself, not to mention the Union - can you imagine how they would turn around, throwing off the "hated yoke of the Soviet occupation." In fact, we see "exactly the opposite." Without "occupation" EVERYTHING collapsed. Even sprats ...

            Oh yes, I forgot ... Russia is, of course, to blame for all the troubles of today's Baltic states. Closes, bad, transit through the Baltic ports. Deprives, you know, the Baltics of "legal" money. And Europe is somehow less and less eager to give money. Well, at least the Americans are not abandoning - they are preparing a platform for a retaliatory strike by Russia. Though the Baltics die beautifully.
            1. Ulrih
              Ulrih 15 October 2020 13: 20
              -2
              Well, first of all, the VEF was built long before the Soviets, by the way, even built airplanes. The same is with many other factories (the same Dzintars since the tsarist times under different names). Secondly - about the Baltics and who, where, what is to blame - we don't have such a question about Russia, it's your media that feeds you. The fact that the USSR threw the development of the country back is yes, but what Russia is doing with its transit now, excuse Russia's affairs. There is nothing to complain about. As for Europe, you are mistaken, or, to be more precise, it is not quite as you put it.
              As for the "firewood" - thanks, I'll look at the data before this question.
              As for "everything collapsed" - I dare laugh at it.
        2. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 15 October 2020 19: 27
          +3
          Quote: Zoldat_A
          We, Russia, need it?

          whoever wants to survive will come to socialism on his own ... Evolutionary or revolutionary, but without this there will be no humanity on planet Earth. There won't be enough resources.
      4. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 15 October 2020 11: 04
        +4
        Quote: Egoza
        ..., the USSR will be reborn! .. no .. development as a change of capitalist socialist system ...

        I would really like that. But you can't imagine that the appanage princelings will suddenly abandon the nishtyaks, realizing that otherwise - death. They will not understand. Not from the near abroad, nor ours in stern positions. Julia will try to grab more.
      5. amr
        amr 15 October 2020 12: 47
        -2
        You are a little confused ...
        there will be no socialism - there will be digital fascism disguised as modern socialism!
      6. businessv
        businessv 15 October 2020 19: 18
        +1
        Quote: Egoza
        And again, everyone will suddenly remember how well they lived under socialism and will run to Moscow screaming "in our hearts we have always been with you, although we had to speak and act to your detriment."
        Yes exactly! Maybe I will repeat myself, but all the former Soviet republics have proved that they are unable to exist independently. It's not for nothing that their ancestors once united with Russia! Grandpa Lenin made a lot of problems after he gave the republics the status of independent, endowing them with real borders, which they had never had before! It is because of this that the problems today. Karabakh is a good example. Ukraine, to which they cut a piece from Kharkov to Kiev.
      7. Misha Honest
        Misha Honest 15 October 2020 21: 38
        +1
        Quote: Egoza
        To the horror of the West, the USSR will be reborn!

        I don't like political controversy, but ... let me know the name of the person who will revive him? Who can remove VVP and its "friends"? hi
      8. not main
        not main 15 October 2020 21: 42
        +1
        Quote: Egoza
        Quote: Pereira
        Was the West going to offer something? In my opinion, he only demands.

        To the horror of the West, the USSR will be reborn! Well, there is no other development than the replacement of the capitalist system with a socialist one. And again, everyone will suddenly remember how well they lived under socialism and will run to Moscow screaming "in our hearts we have always been with you, even though we had to speak and act to your detriment."

        Dreams Dreams! Although I so want to BELIEVE!
      9. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 17 October 2020 07: 59
        0
        Quote: Egoza

        To the horror of the West, the USSR will be reborn! Well, there is no other development than the replacement of the capitalist system with a socialist one.

        There is a wonderful proverb - No matter how much you say the word "halva" in your mouth, it will not become sweeter.
        Today we do not have "Lenin" capable of leading the struggle for a return to socialism. Yes, and we are disunited, unlike the nouveau riche-bourgeois.
    2. stalki
      stalki 15 October 2020 09: 51
      +4
      The West did not plan to offer anything, it planned to feast on the ruins.
    3. Alien From
      Alien From 15 October 2020 09: 52
      +3
      The West itself is mired in its "tolerances". Hopefully forever.
    4. Svarog
      Svarog 15 October 2020 10: 34
      +2
      Quote: Pereira
      The West, having collapsed the USSR, was unable to offer a worthy alternative to this state, sums up Slobodan Samardzhia.

      Was the West going to offer something? In my opinion, he only demands.

      The West follows a standard, well-tried scheme .. they buy the elite and turn the country into a raw material appendage. The same thing happened to us. Gorbachev, Borya, Putin .. they are all from the same series, but Putin is just a teetotaler and more cunning .. And socialism is our future, or we will be a banana republic. There is no other option.
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    6. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 15 October 2020 11: 01
      +4
      Quote: Pereira
      The West, having collapsed the USSR, was unable to offer a worthy alternative to this state, sums up Slobodan Samardzhia.

      Was the West going to offer something? In my opinion, he only demands.

      And the West does not need stability and strengthening of the former Soviet republics. The predator needs muddy water, not transparency!
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  2. Livonetc
    Livonetc 15 October 2020 09: 48
    +1
    "Serbian Experts: Decay"
    Serbian experts and decay are synonymous.
  3. Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 15 October 2020 09: 49
    +5
    In general, everything suggests that the Soviet Union has not yet collapsed to the extent that those who had prepared for it this fate wanted it. On the contrary, the spirit of the first socialist country seems to continue to live on. It is distorted, not adapted to new circumstances, but undoubtedly present

    I completely agree with the author ...
    1. Vladimir Mashkov
      Vladimir Mashkov 15 October 2020 10: 05
      -1
      Yes, Slobodan is definitely right !!! yes
    2. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 15 October 2020 10: 42
      +6
      Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
      the spirit of the first socialist country seems to continue to live on.

      The Soviet people are still alive. We will leave and only memory will remain. Which has already been distorted and will continue to be distorted, even to the point of rejection.
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 15 October 2020 11: 19
        +8
        hi Good day, Vladimir! You know, sometimes I notice that the USSR is being mythologized. In my opinion, this is great! So there is a need for such a system. Accordingly, internal traitors blame, lie, slander. At the same time, I see from publications that the West is painstakingly studying, researching the experience of the USSR now. Why do they need it?
        1. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 15 October 2020 13: 25
          +2
          Quote: Reptiloid
          explore the experience of the USSR

          Dima hi Good day ! Capitalists study the experience of the USSR in the system of a planned economy, in social institutions, in education, and in upbringing and ideology. You can learn a lot from this for the development of your states. Knowledge and experience are only beneficial.
          1. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid 15 October 2020 14: 59
            +6
            Quote: Uncle Lee
            ...... Capitalists study the experience of the USSR in the system of a planned economy, in social institutions, in education, and in upbringing and ideology. In this one can learn a lot of useful things for the development of their states. Knowledge and experience are only beneficial.

            Vladimir! They began to come to us in the 1990s and work in our archives. They write works, publish books, both here and here, in Russian. Maybe that's good. Because we can't wait to learn from ours. We observe slander and lies. As Andropov said, we do not know the country in which we live.
            I order books on the Web, where I also get acquainted with novelties and prefaces. Foreigners were often glad that at last, since the 90s, they had the opportunity to study the USSR from primary sources.
            1. Uncle lee
              Uncle lee 15 October 2020 15: 34
              +4
              The USSR was a unique phenomenon in the world ... That is what attracts attention and interest.
              1. Reptiloid
                Reptiloid 15 October 2020 16: 16
                +7
                Quote: Uncle Lee
                The USSR was a unique phenomenon in the world ... That is what attracts attention and interest.

                I remember that I looked through several American books, some kind of Pole, an Italian ... This is about those who study ... The Italian spoke very enthusiastically and with love, respect about our country. Although, of course, our studies have appeared recently. .... hi
                1. Svarog
                  Svarog 15 October 2020 16: 31
                  +6
                  Quote: Reptiloid
                  This is about those who are studying ... The Italian spoke very enthusiastically and with love, respect about our country. Although, of course, our studies have appeared recently. ....

                  Take the GDR, for how many years there is no USSR, and the Germans still remember with nostalgia, there are many videos on YouTube .. Everyone who was fortunate enough to live under socialism takes nostalgia for those times ..
                  1. Reptiloid
                    Reptiloid 15 October 2020 16: 43
                    +6
                    After all, what is --- for me the USSR --- the WORLD of my preschool childhood. The school world was overshadowed by the fact that there were no Octobrists, pioneers and other attributes of socialism that I knew about. School uniform, at least. Reason is one thing, emotions - another. I understand cartoons and books, those socialist films --- not always
  4. teron
    teron 15 October 2020 09: 57
    +7
    The West was not going to offer anything. Only economic bondage. And the peoples of the former USSR live "by one seimya" by inertia, by habit. But this is not for long - generations will change, and even now not everyone perceives the post-Soviet space as a common home. I'm not even talking about the nationalists in the former republics. But the revolutions are directed against Russia - to withdraw the former republics from the sphere of influence of Moscow. The United States certainly cherishes the idea of ​​holding a similar event in Russia, with all that it implies.
    1. Daniil Konovalenko
      Daniil Konovalenko 15 October 2020 10: 10
      +4
      But the revolutions are directed against Russia - to withdraw the former republics from the sphere of influence of Moscow.
      ... this is in Russia, in Moscow they think that the former republics are the sphere of influence of Russia, the republics themselves do not think so, I am not talking about the peoples of the republics, but about those who seized power in the republics, they do not think so. remember when it gets hot.
    2. Svarog
      Svarog 15 October 2020 10: 39
      +5
      Quote: teron
      But the revolutions are directed against Russia - to withdraw the former republics from the sphere of influence of Moscow. The United States certainly cherishes the idea of ​​holding a similar event in Russia, with all that it implies.

      What the United States is doing is not revolution, it is coup. And the United States is afraid of a true revolution.
      1. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 15 October 2020 11: 00
        +3
        Quote: Svarog
        What the United States is doing is not revolution, it is coup. And the United States is afraid of a true revolution.

        All over the world - coups. And the revolution "which the Bolsheviks talked about for so long" which the United States fears is already underway. They have. Black Lives Matter. Let someone else's "happiness" grab a full spoon. And then the "most democratic" relaxed, got fat ...
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 15 October 2020 11: 03
          +2
          Quote: Zoldat_A
          And the revolution, "which the Bolsheviks talked about for so long," of which the United States fears, is already underway.

          I don’t think so, but if it were so, it would be good.
        2. teron
          teron 15 October 2020 17: 02
          +1
          BLM won't do anything with the USA. It's like the "yellow vests" in France. They will bother and disperse. Something will be smashed, someone will stop by the prison, and someone will go straight to the morgue. With the United States, as a country, in the foreseeable future nothing noticeable will happen either from the inside or from the outside (all the more so).
      2. teron
        teron 15 October 2020 16: 58
        +1
        Of course, coups, just everyone around them calls these events "color revolutions".
  5. 1536
    1536 15 October 2020 10: 08
    0
    Serbia, in all likelihood, is offended that it alone has been completely torn apart and forced to know what? You need to deal with your countries, and not look over the fence to your neighbor, unless, of course, this neighbor throws his feces into your lawn. Serbs can be understood.
    In the post-Soviet space, many today want to get everything and immediately without hitting a finger. But this is half the trouble, such are the least dangerous.
    The greatest danger is posed by those who carry out their black deeds in neighboring countries, violate the laws, deceive and plunder the subsoil, the population, pollute water and air, but at the slightest danger of being exposed and called to account for these actions, they go home, where it hides. And for this it is necessary that such a "house" becomes a refuge, is not under the control of the country where the crime was committed, so that the law enforcement agencies do not get it, or even better, that they are afraid or bribed, tied up in this, and no one blathers.
    Those who were destroying the USSR knew perfectly well this scheme, worked out from time immemorial by their predecessors in the collapse of the country. All politics on the territory of the former USSR is based on this scheme today.
  6. apro
    apro 15 October 2020 10: 10
    +5
    I do not agree ... The USSR was destroyed, not so much by the efforts of the West, but by direct participation of degenerates. And this is the final fact. What is happening now has a different structure. And the communist state has nothing to do. The games of the capitalists. And their henchmen, nationalists. destruction of its own people. and yet the West owes nothing to anyone. it plays its own games. and the role of figures is all the rest ...
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 15 October 2020 10: 43
      +4
      Quote: apro
      The USSR was destroyed, not so much by the efforts of the West, but by the direct participation of the degenerates.

      In my opinion, the destruction began with the arrival of Khrushchev, and the arrival of Khrushchev was caused by the cowardice of the elites. But the efforts of the West should not be underestimated, they made a lot of them.
      1. apro
        apro 15 October 2020 10: 59
        +2
        Quote: Svarog
        In my opinion, the destruction began with the arrival of Khrushchev,

        Not only, there was a struggle throughout the entire existence of the USSR, and this is the first stage of the end ... then there were other decisions ... the cessation of the construction of a communist society.
      2. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 15 October 2020 11: 39
        0
        I disagree. Khrushchev sincerely believed in socialism and communism, but understood them in a somewhat primitive consumerist way. And he defended the interests of the country in the foreign arena. And the suppression of the uprising in Hungary in 1956, and the firm determination to prevent Poland from leaving our sphere of influence in the same year - everything was under Khrushchev. Who carried out a purge in the leadership of the Latvian SSR, suspected of nationalism, or removed the leadership of a number of Central Asian republics, suspected of additions and machinations? Khrushchev. And the tightening of the fight against currency crimes, often in violation of the provision that the law has no retroactive effect? Also Khrushchev. And the move of millions of people from communal apartments and barracks to "Khrushchevs"? He did a lot, of course, in 1962-1964, with numerous restructuring and shaking up in the system of managing the national economy, and especially in connection with the division of the party-Soviet structures into industrial and agricultural ones. In agriculture and biology, following Stalin, he trusted Lysenko and his supporters too much. Even earlier, under the influence of Mikoyan, he contributed to the abolition of industrial cooperation. On the other hand, the strategic nuclear forces (the Strategic Missile Forces and the nuclear submarine fleet), the country's air defense system under him, have received tremendous development.
        1. Selevc
          Selevc 16 October 2020 17: 28
          0
          Quote: Sergej1972
          Khrushchev sincerely believed in socialism and communism, but understood them in a somewhat primitive consumerist way.

          Khrushchev is a dwarf in a giant chair !!! If Stalin won major geo-battles, then it was under Khrushchev that we began to lose them !!! Khrushchev is a man with outlook and erudition at the level of a collective farm chairman - he ruled at Stalin in various positions, and he probably somehow got away with it until he began to make strategic decisions !!!

          It is not necessary to knock on the UN rostrum with a boot of a special mind - but to communicate with Kennedy on an equal footing here you need to prove yourself !!! Here Nikita did his best - he looked like some kind of mischievous guy against the background of Kennedy !!! He looked generally frivolous (his wife did the same) and this naturally affected the entire Soviet delegation and even the country's image !!!

          Kennedy made a clever political move by inviting Khrushchev to the United States - he showed the whole world. - "Here I am the leader of the 1st state in the world - a brilliant superman, almost a movie hero in reality, but next to me is a misunderstanding from the Soviet empire - a threat to the entire civilized world !!!".. This is how it looked then and this is how it looks even now in old newsreels !!! Kennedy even overdid his role by asking Khrushchev like "Is it true that in the USSR they still eat only cabbage ???" In general, Nikita made a complete sucker !!!
          That was such a leader of the USSR without embellishment - this is how the cook cooked it up - we are still unhinging it !! And with the United States, and with the economy, and with the Crimea and the army ...
          1. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 16 October 2020 19: 09
            0
            And for me, Khrushchev's wife looked much better with Jacqueline Kennedy, with her lovers' beauty and huge arms for a woman.
  7. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 15 October 2020 10: 11
    +2
    former Soviet republics, and now free sovereign states
    And who said that now they are "free and sovereign"? Are the Baltic States, Ukraine sovereign? Are the countries of the South Caucasus and Central Asia too independent and sovereign? That's just it. As the saying goes, "A holy place is never empty." The Soviet Union collapsed and immediately there were those who wanted to take these territories into their own hands.
  8. rocket757
    rocket757 15 October 2020 10: 14
    +3
    Nothing is over until it's finally over!
    The question is - whoever is actually engaged in restoring the idea of ​​socialism?
    There are plenty of them to heal and bury, there is no need to go far .... close.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 15 October 2020 10: 45
      +2
      Quote: rocket757
      The question is - whoever is actually engaged in restoring the idea of ​​socialism?

      We must do this for the sake of our descendants, for the greatness of Russia, for the development of all mankind. We need to agitate, tell and teach young people. Youth is the future. Well, this is how I see it for myself.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 15 October 2020 11: 16
        +2
        Take it on the shoulder and do it, it will be right ...
        now everything is a little more complicated, but these are temporary difficulties, we will break through.
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 15 October 2020 11: 34
          +5
          Quote: rocket757
          Take it on the shoulder and do it, it will be right ...
          now everything is a little more complicated, but these are temporary difficulties, we will break through.

          The harder thing is that there are fewer and fewer people who studied under the guidance of an educational institution, like you, for example! BUT, Victor, INTERNET good Well, if as before, when the First Russian Revolution ---- what was the connection? And all the same they united.
      2. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 15 October 2020 11: 44
        +3
        By the way, some Marxists and communists in the West condemned the USSR for imperialism in politics. And some leftist groups, including in the Russian Federation, in the 90s supported the Chechen separatists. And, for example, Western and Russian supporters of the ideas of Mao, Khoja, Jucheism supported the independence of Kosovo from Serbia. On the other hand, in many countries, neo-Trotskyists and neo-Stalinists actively interact, often belong to the same parties, and consider the previous disputes between their ideological predecessors to be history, not relevant at the present time. And the Chinese communists, who respect Stalin, nevertheless, since the end of the 70s, have been publishing the works of Trotsky, Bukharin and other figures, in whose guilt they, apparently, never really believed.
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 15 October 2020 11: 50
          +2
          Quote: Sergej1972
          Incidentally,

          People do not have to be completely and always the same ... monotony, nothing good has ever ended.
          1. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid 15 October 2020 12: 11
            +5
            Quote: rocket757
            Quote: Sergej1972
            Incidentally,

            People do not have to be completely and always the same ... monotony, nothing good has ever ended.
            Well, yes, over time, the meaning may change.
        2. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 15 October 2020 12: 10
          +5
          As for Trotsky, this is generally interesting. If, for example, at one time his portraits hung next to the portraits of Lenin, then for many years the name, the mention --- was erased, destroyed.
    2. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 15 October 2020 11: 12
      +4
      Greetings, Victor! hi
      Quote: rocket757
      Nothing is over until it's finally over!
      The question is - whoever is actually engaged in restoring the idea of ​​socialism?
      There are plenty of them to heal and bury, there is no need to go far .... close.

      Of course, someone does. Judging by the increase in left-wing parties and stories on the network. At what stage is this process? I do not know. Obviously, the process will intensify, the authorities are doing everything for this
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 15 October 2020 11: 22
        +2
        Dmitriy soldier
        Quote: Reptiloid
        Of course, someone does.

        Variety, as at the beginning of the last century, on the eve of famous events!
        But, in general, it is sheer porridge, which you can't figure out without half a liter! And this despite the fact that it's all kind of like a repetition of what has already happened.
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 15 October 2020 11: 29
          +5
          Victor, I wrote that already my generation had not studied any of Lenin's works. And other founders too. And the later ones --- all the more. To start it, there must be some effort, ... like this
          ---I do not know.
          But at least I remember there were --- 3 profiles on a red background. Portraits of the leaders at the demonstration. And these are, in my opinion, the most important childhood memories.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 15 October 2020 11: 48
            +2
            Quote: Reptiloid
            my generation did not study any of Lenin's works.

            Well, yes, it is not reasonable to measure by itself. But what to do, I would like to believe that people are not so careless and at least the basics of important, reasonable ... although they would get to know each other in general terms.
            Knowledge is what unites or divides, from how it develops.
            dunno ... also a handful, we have to admit.
            1. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 15 October 2020 14: 44
              +4
              ..... Knowledge is what unites or divides ......

              You know, Victor, that I want to study the history of the rise, development and destruction of the USSR, study and understand. Maybe gradually, I'll be ready for a theory. But the workers, both before and after the Revolution, studied the works of both Lenin and Marx.
              ☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆
              And what a stubborn Lenin ...
              Apparently such a head!
              That would be my opinion:
              --- When
              straight!
              No,
              does not indulge ...
              I SEE:
              it's too early for us to boast.
              I SEE:
              we still have to work --- troubles!
              I FEEL:
              desperate thoughts
              partisans
              get into the ranks.
              They would be kept
              in the head --- the barracks.
              Every day
              October demands them ...
              LENIN and MARX, train this army
              small though!
              .............................................
              (The room drank the darkness from the street ...
              Sheet on the floor ...)
              Let
              I am small,
              stupid:; oh, besides!
              And for me after all
              underwater key
              pouring
              beats
              and breaks out
              Powerful spring
              called Ilyich.
              There,
              where is the world
              and guns,
              and tanks,
              red stars
              hammered into the chest
              Communist Danko
              brain burning
              POINTS THE WAY.

              An excerpt from the poem by Alexander Bezymensky "Komsomol" ".
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 15 October 2020 15: 05
                +1
                To each his own .... I care about the current reality and prospects, and the past, after all, it can be both a help and a brake.
  9. Petrik66
    Petrik66 15 October 2020 10: 18
    +2
    After the First World War, the same situation developed. Three empires collapsed and from them the victors began to tailor something that met their interests and vision. All are convinced of the wisdom of Western uncles, who thoughtfully and (where we are with sivolapy) subtly and faithfully conduct their affairs. And why did these uncles screw up with Adik and the USSR? Like it was conceived ?! And in 1940, when the great Churchill around the world asked for support, the entire British elite sat sipping cocktails through a bamboo cane and indulgently sipping - that was how it was planned, but now he - the demoniac will do this and that, and the mustachioed will do this, and here we will have all of them. Hardly. The USSR collapsed, trophy territories, all sorts of Slovaks, Romanians and other Central European scum got new owners. What they are ordered to do, they do. Well, you cannot demand from granddaughters and sons those for whom a moral victory remained and who managed to escape from health-improving work in Siberia or from the noose to the States, so that they would love us. We don't need this. We need to put things in order ourselves with opponents in the form of grant eaters. They could be tolerated as long as we called the Americans - partners, and now - war means war. Clean up the rear and see how "smart" partners are ready for a fight.
  10. iouris
    iouris 15 October 2020 12: 48
    +1
    The collapse of the USSR at the first stage meant that Russia ceased to be a subject. The collapse of the USSR at the current stage means that the USSR is no longer an object. This can be seen from the most advanced fragment - "Ukraine".
  11. 7,62h54
    7,62h54 15 October 2020 14: 16
    +3
    So Yugoslavia is still rotting
    1. iouris
      iouris 15 October 2020 15: 22
      0
      The death of Yugoslavia is a consequence of the dissolution of the USSR.
      1. 7,62h54
        7,62h54 15 October 2020 16: 11
        +2
        This is the position of a freeloader, who finds someone's fault in everything.
      2. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 15 October 2020 16: 34
        +3
        The consequences of the destruction of the USSR were on different continents. The most different.
        You don't need to be a Serbian expert to see the continuation of the collapse of the USSR today. All the negative phenomena that occur in the post-Soviet space are the continuation of the collapse of the USSR.
  12. Whirlwind
    Whirlwind 15 October 2020 15: 30
    0
    The USSR did not disintegrate, but was defeated in the Cold War. The winners, the US and NATO, are obsessed with finishing off his successor, the Russian Federation.
    1. iouris
      iouris 15 October 2020 21: 37
      0
      The USSR did not "disintegrate", but was dissolved, "to enter the united Europe" in parts. The USSR has no "receiver".
      1. Whirlwind
        Whirlwind 16 October 2020 07: 30
        0
        If you went to vote and voted FOR changing the Constitution of the Russian Federation, then know that ...
        After the Referendum on July 1 of this year and the adoption of the corresponding amendment to the Constitution, the Russian Federation BECAME the legal successor of the USSR!
  13. Comrade Kim
    Comrade Kim 15 October 2020 16: 39
    +1
    Quote: Egoza
    and they will run to Moscow screaming "in our hearts we have always been with you,


    No, really!
    We already have these illegal Basmachis over the edge.

    Here in the USSR, people were provided with work and social benefits in their republics, almost always at the expense of the RSFSR.
    But they lived where they were born.

    That labor migration is no match for today's invasion of illegal hordes.

    All friends from the USSR.
    But they perfectly understand that the power of capital will not allow this.
    On the contrary, the authorities obliterate the successes and achievements of the Soviet Union and Stalin from the people's memory.
    What is the bashful suppression of Stalin's name during the All-Russian vote about the Great People of our Motherland?

    And the current owners of life will not give back what they have stolen.
    The fences on the Rublevo-Uspenskoe highway are too high, their pocket armies are too well trained.
    And their embrace with the current government is very strong.
  14. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 16 October 2020 01: 29
    0
    Quote: Reptiloid
    movies --- not always

    Can you understand the current ones? Template and primitive. Maybe that's why films about Streltsov and Soviet basketball players are going with a bang?
    You should have watched Death Match ......
  15. Iskazi
    Iskazi 16 October 2020 02: 20
    0
    the correct article, unfortunately for the liberals, the emergence of an alternative system is inevitable ..., in principle, everything is already there for this ..., the political and social deadlock of the Russian Federation is a vivid evidence of this, and the liberal world is becoming more and more totalitarian ..., totalitarian democracy, liberal dictatorship, ... nature abhors monotony ..., dinosaurs were too big, but they became extinct ...
    1. Selevc
      Selevc 16 October 2020 17: 09
      0
      Serbian experts: The collapse of the Soviet Union continues today
      Serbian experts forgot to add - many people want this in the West !!! Politics is not weather that can change hourly and can be unpredictable !!! In geopolitics, if something happens, it means that someone wanted it, organized it and paid for it !!!

      This is such a modern political technology - it is called half-truth - to say "a" and not to say "b" and the meaning of phrases is often lost, or even changes without the other half !!!
      For example, in the 70s and 80s in the West they often said "We are studying the USSR" - it seems to sound harmless. They even created such institutions there !!! This phrase is half-truth - but the truth sounds like "We are studying the USSR to destroy it" !!!
  16. Vdi73
    Vdi73 3 November 2020 04: 46
    0
    Let him describe the former Yugoslavia, there, too, everything is not so simple and the West of the USSR did not fall apart, the USSR destroyed the humpback, the ebn and high-ranking traitors in various power structures of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union and law enforcement agencies, for which they did not even answer
  17. Alexander Ivanov_8
    Alexander Ivanov_8 5 November 2020 05: 38
    0
    Well, why the heck do we need a new Union? Feed the freeloaders again? Ask who worked in the USSR in a plus is Russia and Bedorussia. Everything! The rest of the granaries and health resorts only sucked money from the union budget.
    1. Andrey64
      Andrey64 14 November 2020 08: 53
      0
      Write correctly. Divide into Slavic Jewish Russia and Far East Asian republic of the indigenous peoples of the North.
  18. Andrey64
    Andrey64 14 November 2020 08: 51
    0
    True. Putin with his titular Jews is executing the Jewish world project Solomon. To graze the peoples of the world according to the precepts of the Most High Jewish. Credits, taxes, free deadwood, juvenile justice, gay parades, embezzlement, corruption, lies, laws for the goyim and other Jewish tools of shepherds.