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Deputy of the Ukrainian Rada: Poroshenko's power paid off with Crimea for legalizing its 2014 coup

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Deputy of the Ukrainian Rada: Poroshenko's power paid off with Crimea for legalizing its 2014 coup

In Ukraine, the statement of the deputy of the Verkhovna Rada Ilya Kiva is being discussed. He represents the movement "Opposition Platform - For Life".

In an interview with the NewsOne TV channel, Kiva said that in 2014 the then Ukrainian authorities deliberately agreed to both the loss of Crimea and the loss of Donbass. This, according to the people's deputy, was beneficial to the forces of Petro Poroshenko, so that he could win the elections "in one round."

Ilya Kiva:

That is why they cut off Crimea and Donbass in 2014. That is why I say that the Ukrainian government gave Crimea itself. They had withdrawn the main troops from there in advance, acting according to a prepared plan. But there were elite units.


Kiva noted that Crimea was exactly given, and this happened under Turchynov as the acting president of Ukraine.

Kiva:

And then, for the sake of political slogans, everyone cried out about annexation. Poroshenko's power paid off with Crimea for legalizing its 2014 coup.

Earlier in Ukraine, there were repeated statements about the need to "return Crimea and Donbass," but now President Volodymyr Zelenskyy invites his fellow citizens to go through a kind of general survey, in which, according to experts, there will be no questions about Crimea or Donbass.

As sociological studies show, about 55% of the polled citizens of Ukraine believe that the Crimean peninsula will never return to Ukraine. At the same time, every 10th respondent believes that the Ukrainian government itself repels Crimeans, including by cutting off the water, introducing economic restrictions, refusing to fulfill social obligations to the citizens of Ukraine living in the Russian Crimea.
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  1. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 15 October 2020 07: 53
    +5
    55% believe that the Crimean peninsula will never return to Ukraine ... oh why so little ??? ... this figure speaks of the complete inadequacy of the Ukrainian society ... i.e. 45% think otherwise ...
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 15 October 2020 07: 56
      +9
      Deputy of the Ukrainian Rada: Poroshenko's power paid off with Crimea for legalizing its 2014 coup

      Quote: Ilya Kiva
      That is why they cut off Crimea and Donbass in 2014.


      This is stated by a bastard, an "oppositionist" who once headed the punitive battalion "Poltava" ...
      1. askort154
        askort154 15 October 2020 08: 43
        +2
        Insurgent....This is stated by a scoundrel, an "oppositionist" who once headed the "Poltava" punitive battalion ...

        I understood that, looking at his muzzle-face.
        1. Vladimir Mashkov
          Vladimir Mashkov 15 October 2020 09: 38
          +3
          Avakov's creature (and his agent, I believe) Kiva is also a "socialist" and "public defender", of course. And the interview is his decent nonsense. Especially the words that "the Ukrainian government gave Crimea itself." Yeah, that's how she gave it to me! laughing But I think there is a certain meaning in his phrase "Poroshenko's power paid off with Crimea for legalizing its coup in 2014". yes
    2. 1976AG
      1976AG 15 October 2020 08: 06
      +4
      Quote: silberwolf88
      55% believe that the Crimean peninsula will never return to Ukraine ... oh why so little ??? ... this figure speaks of the complete inadequacy of the Ukrainian society ... i.e. 45% think otherwise ...

      It is still unknown who counted and how he counted. And whether the truth was announced.
    3. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 15 October 2020 08: 41
      +2
      Quote: silberwolf88
      55% believe that the Crimean peninsula will never return to Ukraine ... oops why so little ???

      Damn de beaver ... Are we going to learn to read?
      about 55% of respondents Ukrainian citizens believe that the Crimean peninsula will never return to Ukraine.

      POLLED !!!
      Do not Bloomberg, Rosstat, Levada Center, or GB scientists talk to you about anything? wassat
      Go through the survey on the State Duma building - you will hear enough of such pearls ... It should be like this:
      Sociological studies show that about 55% of the polled citizens of Ukraine - deputies of the Verkhovna Rada - believe that the Crimean peninsula will never return to Ukraine. And among the interviewed presidents, there were 100% of them ... repeat
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  3. Prisoner
    Prisoner 15 October 2020 07: 59
    +2
    "It is for this that they cut off Crimea and Donbass in 2014. And so I say that the Ukrainian government gave Crimea itself. They had withdrawn the main troops from there in advance, acting according to a prepared plan. But there were elite units." (C) Well, lucky in Crimea to their elite units. In Donbass, luck is over. Pochikali.
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 15 October 2020 08: 52
      -3
      Quote: Captive
      Well, they were lucky in the Crimea for their elite units.

      especially when the defense minister and the fleet commander said "give up"
  4. Same lech
    Same lech 15 October 2020 07: 59
    +5
    55% of the polled citizens of Ukraine believe that the Crimean peninsula will never return to Ukraine.

    Russia will not give up Crimeans to be torn apart by Bandera ... I hope for the same with the citizens of the LPR.
    I am personally ready to fight with the Bandera offspring of Ukraine after they burned people in Odessa ... I will never forgive them for this.
    1. Ros 56
      Ros 56 15 October 2020 08: 22
      +3
      Judging by yesterday's statement of the GDP about its readiness to communicate with banderlogia and lifting sanctions from their enterprises, apparently to please his godfather Medvedchuk and to allow the supply of petroleum products, to be honest, my mind goes over and over with the question, what's going on? or catching up with Biden?
      1. Undecim
        Undecim 15 October 2020 12: 10
        +3
        Judging by yesterday's statement of the GDP about its readiness to communicate with banderlogia and the lifting of sanctions from their enterprises, apparently to please his godfather Medvedchuk and to allow the supply of petroleum products, to be honest, my mind for a reason goes with the question is this what is happening?
        Do not be alarmed - this is a cognitive dissonance - a state associated with a collision of conflicting knowledge in a person's mind.
        Your idea of ​​Ukraine, Donbass, Crimea and related events is formed on the basis of information distorted by propaganda. Therefore, when fragments of real information come to you, the new information completely contradicts the current picture. And then the most interesting thing begins - when a person has conflicting ideas, it brings him discomfort. And he seeks to smooth out the contradiction that has arisen. This can be done in two main ways - either revise and reject one of the views, or find new information that allows you to "dock" incompatible positions.
        For hamsters, none of these methods are feasible. Therefore, they suffer the most from cognitive dissonance.
        1. Ros 56
          Ros 56 15 October 2020 16: 21
          +1
          What the hell am I just reading in your peremptory statement? You probably see a halo above you? I'm afraid you're wrong.
  5. bober1982
    bober1982 15 October 2020 08: 01
    +5
    Kiva has a bad reputation, to put it mildly, should you listen to his nonsense?
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 15 October 2020 08: 25
      +6
      Quote: bober1982
      Kiva has a bad reputation, to put it mildly, should you listen to his nonsense?


      Moreover, is it possible to consider the PLOZH as an opposition party, with the fact that there is a punisher in its ranks?
      It looks like there are all oppositionists, but as soon as they press down, "Russia is the aggressor!" And "Krim tse Ukraine"

      There is no real, honest opposition in the Outskirts. Some opportunists and werewolves.
      1. Graz
        Graz 15 October 2020 08: 45
        +4
        their position fluctuates according to the situation request
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 15 October 2020 08: 53
          +4
          Quote: Graz
          their position fluctuates according to the situation

          Yesterday there was a march of the Banderaites, and not a single "opposition" party even uttered a word against it. They hid precious butts in the huts ...

          And the Bandera, as the masters of the country, proudly limped along the streets of the outskirts of the city ...
          1. Graz
            Graz 15 October 2020 09: 15
            +2
            Well, I don’t really know Ukrainian politicians, it’s clear that there are many drists and talkers, in the majority, even among those who think something, sometimes I watch praada on YouTube in order to have a little idea, Muraev, Chervonenko, Lukash, Rabinovich. well and others on the little things.
            there are people who understand what kind of opera they are, but what exactly and how to do it, that you can't see such people, and there are many critics
      2. Crimean partisan 1974
        Crimean partisan 1974 15 October 2020 10: 26
        +3
        There is no real, honest opposition in the Outskirts ... of course I don't give a damn about what's going on inside the 404. but lizh would not shoot in the Donbass, .... as you think. Will Ball's party pull the burden of responsibility? for me, if Yong grabbed the helm, he will most likely start a course towards federalization of y-territory, although it is doubtful
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 15 October 2020 10: 35
          0
          Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
          .what do you think. Will Ball's party pull the burden of responsibility? for me, if he grabbed the steering wheel, he will most likely start a course towards federalization of y-territory, although it is doubtful

          Very doubtful.
          The Nazis have firmly taken power in the Outskirts, the West supports them, so ...
          1. Crimean partisan 1974
            Crimean partisan 1974 15 October 2020 10: 45
            -1
            The Nazis have firmly taken power in the Outskirts, the West supports them, so ........ in principle, I also doubt about Sharik, ... but I like his mood ... well, we'll see ... . federalization is the only salvation for vna ... after all, they live like striped ones in which each state has its own laws ... in some states cocks marry or go in marriage, in other states they are outcasts .... in short vna -you need federalization
            1. Insurgent
              Insurgent 15 October 2020 10: 48
              +1
              Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
              in short, we need federalization

              THEM,"VNA"- YES, we do.
              We decided and received its ("for good or for bad"), we are leaving for the Russian Federation.
              1. Crimean partisan 1974
                Crimean partisan 1974 15 October 2020 10: 54
                0
                We made up our minds and got ours ... well, not everything. but a lot ... and so there is a desire to go on a visit to Donetsk to the Kents, not round and round, but on a straight line through Chongar .... rounding across the Crystal Bridge is costly, although interestingly, fishing in the Kuban and Don is delightful, at the day with such fire you will not find
                1. Insurgent
                  Insurgent 15 October 2020 11: 00
                  0
                  Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
                  there is a desire to go on a visit to Donetsk to the Kents not round the corner, but on a straight line through Chongar ...

                  This requires that your (and our) desires coincide with the desires of those who make decisions in the Kremlin.
                  And here, there is a clear and definite dissonance. Otherwise, everything would have been decided back in 14th, and the "Crystal Bridge" would not have been needed so urgently ...
                  1. Crimean partisan 1974
                    Crimean partisan 1974 15 October 2020 11: 10
                    +4
                    To do this, you need your (and our) desires to coincide ... and this desire is your own ... when we dug in on Chongar in February, I called up with the Kents in Donetsk. I told them. "Why are you scratching your butt, it's time to dig in like we did" to which they answered, "but the Banderlog won't come to us ... they'll stop by" well, they came .... before we had to dig in like we did
                    1. Insurgent
                      Insurgent 15 October 2020 11: 19
                      0
                      Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
                      before it was necessary to dig in like us

                      Of course ... With the Russian Black Sea Fleet behind you, you can talk about many things.

                      And what did we have in February-April?

                      Nothing but fists ...

                      1. Crimean partisan 1974
                        Crimean partisan 1974 15 October 2020 12: 07
                        0
                        Except for fists - nothing ....... yes, we also had smoothbore and rarity

                        Having behind the grouping of the Russian Black Sea Fleet, you can talk about a lot ... oh well. The Black Sea Fleet pulled up on February 28, and even then five armored personnel carriers, a little earlier on the 26th, angry Berkutyats pulled up on two betrahs, it was already in March that forces and serious ones began to arrive
                      2. Insurgent
                        Insurgent 15 October 2020 12: 20
                        +1
                        Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
                        .come on. The Black Sea Fleet pulled up on February 28, and even then five armored personnel carriers, a little earlier on the 26th, angry Berkutyats pulled up on two betrahs, it was already in March that forces and serious ones began to arrive

                        And we have NOBODY PUSHED UP, except for a small group of Strelkov, which arrived only in April, and without an armored personnel carrier and any other heavy weapons ...

                        Is it not obvious that the difference between the situation in your country and in ours is to do without - "come on"?
                      3. Crimean partisan 1974
                        Crimean partisan 1974 15 October 2020 13: 32
                        0
                        Isn't the difference between the situation in your country and in ours not obvious, ...... well, on February 24, they didn't even suppose that it would be like that for us ... a maximum like Transnistria or Ossetia ... and here, Avon how it happened .... well, it happened how it happened .... I suppose you've already got your passport .... got my kent. really did not come to visit. did not let go. fire hazard is high ... I plan to drive to it in December
                  2. Xnumx vis
                    Xnumx vis 15 October 2020 15: 13
                    +2
                    Quote: Insurgent
                    Of course ... With the Russian Black Sea Fleet behind you, you can talk about many things.

                    The Black Sea Fleet grouping thought to the last. what to do .. Only after they realized that we in Crimea-Sevastopol will start a bloodbath-massacre .. We decided to support ... Before that we made lists for evacuation .. They made it up, they were horrified .. So many people cannot be evacuated. So the decision came ... And in Ukraine they looked and waited ... Shaw there in Sevastopol? And we, Sevastopol-Crimea, prepared to fight, to die.
  6. maktub
    maktub 15 October 2020 23: 13
    0
    To clarify, Kiva went to the Rada on the quota of the Medvedchuk-Rabinovich faction in the HLS, interesting isn't it? laughing
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 16 October 2020 07: 33
      -1
      Quote: maktub
      To clarify, Kiva went to the Rada on the quota of the Medvedchuk-Rabinovich faction in the HLS, interesting isn't it?

      Interesting considering this:
      "Whom God wants to punish, he first deprives him of reason"
      "Deus quos vult perdere dementat prius"

      And it becomes especially amusing when you realize that the Lord has punished the whole territory of "U" with madness ...
      1. maktub
        maktub 16 October 2020 07: 47
        +1
        Do you hint at MMM?
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 16 October 2020 07: 53
          0
          Quote: maktub
          Do you hint at MMM?

          Without a hint, it is clear that "MMM", with all its destabilizing impact on society and the economy, did not lead to a coup d'etat, the country did not destroy and did not transfer it completely under external control.
          So, without "hints", pseudo "independent" yes

          Even if someone is a "um-um-eMshchik", then it is better to think about your "Ke-Ve-enschik" working on Mi-6 ...
          1. maktub
            maktub 16 October 2020 08: 11
            0
            Write better not like this: -Ze was born on the instructions of the Israeli Mossad laughing, will be more authentic
            About the creation and independence of the so-called `` people's republics '' on the territory of Donetsk and Lugansk regions, you better keep silent
            1. Insurgent
              Insurgent 16 October 2020 08: 23
              -1
              Quote: maktub
              About the creation and independence of the so-called `` people's republics '' on the territory of Donetsk and Lugansk regions, you better keep silent

              Republics are created as intermediate education for the transition to the Russian Federation,no more, you have been diagnosed with definitively final - incompetent, stillborn understate.
              Quote: maktub
              -Ze was born on the instructions of the Israeli Mossad


              No, obviously what ... Not with the curator from "Mossad" he secretly I met in London during my last visit ... And if it were not for the "persistence" of British journalists, the meeting would never have become public.

              But, your loser "00№" had to admit its fact and make excuses ...

              Yes, and the "secret protocols" signed with Duda are cheering for something ... Haven't you smell the smell yet?
              Nothing ... Sniffing more yes

              Polish lard of Ukraine!

              And so, "in general", Poles and Outskirts have been friends for centuries: https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/6247492.html
              1. maktub
                maktub 16 October 2020 08: 36
                0
                You know the proverb: - ​​"dumkoy bagatiє"
                Have you updated the campaign? Dare laughing
                1. Insurgent
                  Insurgent 16 October 2020 08: 54
                  -1
                  Quote: maktub
                  You know the proverb: - ​​"dumkoy bagatiє"

                  Forecasts, in an attempt to get rich in such an original way, are extremely uncomfortable for you ...
                  1. maktub
                    maktub 16 October 2020 08: 59
                    0
                    A proverb is a forecast of your "entry" into the Russian Federation
                  2. Insurgent
                    Insurgent 16 October 2020 09: 00
                    -1
                    Quote: maktub
                    A proverb is a forecast of your "entry" into the Russian Federation

                    "Finger to the sky", pan-forecaster ... All the same yours"dummy"...
  • krops777
    krops777 15 October 2020 08: 03
    +5
    In an interview with NewsOne, Kiva said that in 2014, the then Ukrainian authorities deliberately agreed to both the loss of Crimea and the loss of Donbass.


    The then Ukrainian authorities had no idea what the coup d'état would turn out to be for them, the SGA made a harsh miscalculation by betting on their Bandera, believing that the people of Donbass and Crimea would follow the lead and Russia would not have the heart to return Crimea.
  • Sly
    Sly 15 October 2020 08: 06
    +2
    Kiva is paranoid and constantly carries all sorts of nonsense, but in this rare case, he may be close to the truth.
  • cniza
    cniza 15 October 2020 08: 16
    +4
    At the same time, every 10th respondent believes that the Ukrainian government itself repels the Crimeans,


    There are still those who understand ...
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 15 October 2020 08: 30
    +2
    There is nothing to put a paw on our VICTORY. Crimea has shown that when necessary, the GDP can act decisively and quickly. And the authorities of the VNA are completely out of business there. Moreover, they did not have any power at that moment.
    Russia could not allow the American base in Sevastopol, and that our fleet huddled in Novorossiysk. And she did not. The rest followed.
  • Alien From
    Alien From 15 October 2020 08: 40
    +1
    The rams will now blame each other.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 15 October 2020 08: 47
      +1
      Quote: Alien From
      The rams will now blame each other.

      Naturally! After all, the Nazis will demand that the authorities return Crimea, and reinforce their demands with anti-Semitic slogans and gatherings under the presidential administration. And even if these are only screams, but what a basis for the next coup!
      1. Alien From
        Alien From 15 October 2020 09: 38
        0
        You're right! Let's hope there are still sane Ukrainians left.
  • Avior
    Avior 15 October 2020 08: 43
    +2
    Ilya Kiva is the head of the public organization "All-Ukrainian Union of ATO Veterans". He headed the Poltava center of the Right Sector and the regional leader of this movement in eastern Ukraine.

    In June 2015, he headed the "Union of ATO Veterans" in Poltava [3]

    From October 22, 2015 to May 19, 2016 he worked as the head of the Department of Combating Drug Crimes of the National Police of Ukraine [2]. As part of his work, he hosted the program "Traffic with Kiva" on the NewsOne TV channel. In the issue of February 29, 2016, two invited drug addicts, provoked by the host of the program, began to make drugs from improvised means on the air of the TV channel. At this moment, Ilya Kiva called the police officers into the studio, who arrested the guests [4] [5] [6].

    Nda, such an interesting companion in the party for the godfather of Medvedchuk's GDP ... smile
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 15 October 2020 08: 50
      +2
      Quote: Avior
      Nda, such an interesting companion in the party for the godfather of Medvedchuk's GDP ...


      GDP has obvious failures in foreign policy, indicated by the choice like this "pillars of Russia in Ukraine"in the person of the" godfather "of Medvedchuk and his pseudo opposition party" OPZH "...

      Actually, with all due respect to V.V. Putin, as the leader of the Russian Federation, such confusion in relations with practically all countries involved in the sphere of Russian foreign policy is symptomatic.
    2. New Year day
      New Year day 15 October 2020 08: 55
      +1
      Quote: Avior
      Nda, such an interesting companion in the party for the godfather of Medvedchuk's GDP ...

      there everyone is like that.
  • New Year day
    New Year day 15 October 2020 08: 49
    +3
    ... about 55% of Ukrainian citizens surveyed believe that the Crimean peninsula will never return to Ukraine. At the same time, every 10th respondent believes that the Ukrainian government itself repels the Crimeans, including by cutting off the water, introducing economic restrictions ...

    all right. The train left.
  • Growlers
    Growlers 15 October 2020 09: 14
    -2
    What to discuss here. Just look at this photo, a ready-made client of a mental hospital ...
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 15 October 2020 09: 54
    +2
    But there were elite units.
    Perhaps, by Ukrainian standards, there were indeed "elite troops" in Crimea, but the war in Donbass (especially in 2015) showed that there was no smell of "elite troops" in the Ukrainian army. 45% of the most stubborn believe that they will return Crimea, and if today counter-sanctions are removed not from three Ukrainian enterprises, but more, this figure will increase to 60%. At the same time, the Ukrainians perceive this solely as Russia's weakness and Medvedchuk's rating will not grow, and the government will not change. Indulging Ukraine in its mocking struggle with Russia is only to our detriment.
    1. Crimean partisan 1974
      Crimean partisan 1974 15 October 2020 10: 37
      +2
      Maybe, according to Ukrainian standards, there really were "elite voyska" in Crimea ... but we didn't have any elite part of the territory in Crimea, most of them after the shooting down of the Jewish Carcass near Kerch dispersed everything and everyone. and those that remain are not completely combat-ready .... kiva drowns nonsense
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 15 October 2020 10: 55
        +1
        Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
        what remained are not fully operational ...


        One, combat-ready and motivated to clash with the Russian Federation, was still there. Remember the elite part of the MP in Feodosia (?), Which was almost the only one that had to be taken by storm.

        And then these scoundrels "noted" and we have "in the south" (Azov region).
        1. Crimean partisan 1974
          Crimean partisan 1974 15 October 2020 11: 02
          +2
          The MP in Feodosia (?), Which was almost the only one, had to be taken by storm ... but no, they took the officers from the officers in this story, the rest were already home and choosing a difficult decision for themselves. to join the ranks of the RF Armed Forces or drag out a miserable existence, I don’t know exactly what those who left there, but I know for sure that those who are left with hunger will not swell. and even from the salon they buy mobiles ... so there were no elite parts at that time. because before that they fell into decay
          1. Insurgent
            Insurgent 15 October 2020 11: 15
            0
            Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
            these were the utyrkov from the officers who were taken in this story, the rest were already at home

            I would take your words for truth, if it were not for the footage of Russian TV and Western television companies, sending the drugs of this part to the Outskirts, where officers and contract soldiers are clearly and obviously present in sufficient numbers ...
            Actually, from that part that was staffed, prepared and trained according to NATO standards, practically no one went over to the side of the Russian Federation.
            Almost the entire composition moved to the "nenku".
            1. Crimean partisan 1974
              Crimean partisan 1974 15 October 2020 11: 28
              0
              I would take your words for truth, if not for the footage of TV RF and Western TV companies, ...... On February 24, we were already digging in, others are near the "Pentagon" in Simfa. other parts were blocked, but mostly the elderly population of Crimea stood either at monuments or at train stations and stations
              trained according to NATO standards, almost no one went over to the side of the Russian Federation .... these are units, mainly because of personal lust to be marked as a hero, and all the rest ... took the oath of the Russian Federation (including myself) and steel for the Kiev junta traitors, the term for us is set by them up to 8 years of deprivation ... well, you understand
  • TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 15 October 2020 12: 20
    0
    With the exception of the particularly stubborn, Ukrainians know that Crimea will never return. This does not interfere with going to the Crimea to rest. Prices have increased slightly and the uniforms of traffic police officers are different, that's all the differences.
  • iouris
    iouris 15 October 2020 12: 51
    0
    Kiva, straight, revealed the secret. It's high time to close this page and move on.
  • Vladimir
    Vladimir 15 October 2020 18: 32
    0
    They also found me a politician.
  • Russian2020
    Russian2020 15 October 2020 20: 22
    0
    Only right now they realized that he gave everything for power, another eccentric was Borya Yeltsin
  • German Titov
    German Titov 15 October 2020 20: 58
    +1
    Oh, Kiwi is awake. It will not rain in the DPR, or the elections are near. If memory serves, the DPR Criminal Code is crying "roar" over it. Hike or "withdrawal" or "retreat". And still Abelmaz with his program will jump out - "the whole world was crying!"
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 16 October 2020 14: 44
      +1
      Quote: German Titov
      And still Abelmaz will pop up with his program

      You, zema, Abelmaza, leave us ... You should be aware of where it crawled out ...
      So this is our business, a matter of honor, if you like (without pathos) ...
  • German Titov
    German Titov 15 October 2020 21: 09
    +1
    Quote: Silvestr
    Quote: Avior
    Nda, such an interesting companion in the party for the godfather of Medvedchuk's GDP ...

    there everyone is like that.

    As in the old joke "As a politician, of course, he is" shit ", but he kisses great" (The era of Leonid Brezhnev). Medvedchuk has 2 positive qualities. 1. What will not undertake-all through .... ku. 2. The wife is pretty.
  • Alex_You
    Alex_You 16 October 2020 00: 18
    0
    About times, about manners:
    1. Alex_You
      Alex_You 16 October 2020 00: 21
      0
      Although this picture is better:
  • Pavel Shadoyan
    Pavel Shadoyan 16 October 2020 18: 28
    0
    Poroshenko, this is Gorbachev. It is surprising that Ukraine is not yet a pearl before understanding this gloomy fact. Traitor