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Ice under Lukashenka's feet

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Ice under Lukashenka's feet
Photo: kotragachuka, Telegram


They laugh easily, they have lively eyes.
They are defenseless, they like to live.
And they are all together, and it has always been so.
They are the last to remember what light is.

Egor Letov. We are ice under the feet of the major


The protest movement continues for the third month in Belarus. And, obviously, the protest will continue no matter what.

You can talk and write a lot about the fact that "the hand of the West is at work" there, even we had many "experts" who amused (although this is laughter through tears) tales of Poland's evil plans to attack Belarus and squeeze Grodno, but ... It is difficult to prove external funding. Unlike Ukraine, where everyone knew the rates and no one really hid it.

Either in Belarus everything is done taking into account the Ukrainian sloppiness, and information about bribery simply does not leak (believe it?) To the side, or the protest really comes from the heart.

After two months, only one thing can be said: the protest movement has not been suppressed. It has not developed into a Ukrainian-style Maidan and most likely will not grow, because it plays into the hands of some forces. Therefore, most likely, we will never see barricades, destroyed and looted shops. The wrong people, obviously.

But August 9 was a kind of starting point. It was hoped that this was just a point, but the past days have shown that yes, there can be no return to the past. Approximately as in Ukraine, but (glory to the Belarusians) without blood. Almost without blood.

Meetings. Demonstrations. Further continuation: workers' strikes, protests of teachers, doctors, women's marches and demonstrations of pensioners. And yes, of course, young people.


Photo by: TUT.BY

Those who do not want to see the mass character and diversity of the composition of the protesters will not. But on the whole, the protest actions have confirmed that various segments of the population are participating in the movement against Lukashenka. It is difficult to judge how real they are all engaged. Only one thing is clear: the lower on the social ladder, the more support for the protest. And this is perfectly normal, because those at the top of the food chain do not need protest.

Media reports began to appear that demonstrations were either slowing down (one point of view), or vice versa, becoming fewer, but more severe. Hinting, as it were, that here he is, the "Maidan" in the flesh. From among the engaged and paid marginals.

However, many believe that the incessant protests, which could not stop the outright atrocities and overshoots of the police system, just confirm that Lukashenka really lost his legitimacy, "slightly" outplaying the elections.

Both versions have the right to life.

But the very attitude of Lukashenka to popular demonstrations is another proof for the second. All the peremptory statements and stigma that he generously threw in the direction of the protesters, without the slightest attempt to listen and agree. Either you are "for" - or a traitor paid for by the West.

In general, it is normal and justified for a dictatorship or a totalitarian state. Another question is how much the West will appreciate it, with which Alexander Grigorievich has been flirting so zealously for the last couple of years?

The West will not evaluate it unambiguously. There is a triumph of democracy, albeit in a rather perverted form. And precisely because this is a perverted democracy, Lukashenka shines political isolation from the very Europe, with which he was so eager to be friends.

It is clear that full-fledged isolation will not happen, Russia, naturally, will not abandon “her own” in trouble. However, there are also nuances here.

Russia's support for Belarus, more precisely, Putin's support for Lukashenko is a reality. This is a completely normal reality, no matter how you look at it, but ...

How “solvent” Lukashenka is today as a politician? Doubts arise in spite of the fact that the siloviki are openly fierce, and "order has not been restored." Despite the tear gas, batons, boots and rubber bullets used to treat Belarusians. And not only Belarusians.


Photo: Radio Liberty - Belarus

But the protest continues unabated. No matter what.

Meanwhile, the Belarusian civil society deserves the highest praise as acting exclusively in the legal field.

Moreover, it should be borne in mind that the first three days after the elections, when the society, to put it mildly, was surprised beyond measure by the results, it still did not suit the indignation according to the Ukrainian scenario.

And it was the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Republic of Belarus that provoked further indignation, trying, according to orders, to suppress the protest actions with the utmost severity. But, in fact, it is the actions of the Ministry of Internal Affairs that do not let the protests subside. The resistance continues simply because the security forces are pouring gasoline into this fire.


Photo: Radio Liberty - Belarus

In Belarus today, to be beaten, you just need to go out and go or go about your business. You can do it, but the main thing is not to be seen by the security forces. Sorry, reminds some of the moments of the Belarusian stories, but today no Ausweiss will help. Proven by Russian TASS correspondents.

The beatings backfired, but even in this case, Lukashenko decided that the best way to defend himself was to attack. But then everyone really started to resent. Even the church.

Then there was a certain lull, which can hardly be called an assessment of the situation. The parties assessed each other's capabilities, after which the Belarusian authorities launched a decisive offensive.

It’s a strange moment: the intensity of the protests really began to gradually decrease, but for some reason Lukashenka arranged this meeting in the pre-trial detention center. Based on the rather vague explanations of the official channels, he wanted to talk about the changes to the constitution ... with the arrested oppositionists!

An interesting version. Legal "sharaga" in a pre-trial detention center is more than original. But there is another version, which speaks of Lukashenka's attempt to bargain with Babariko and Tikhanovsky. 4,5 hours of "dialogue" within the walls of the pre-trial detention center is a lot. For a president of the country who can afford to spend so much time on potential prisoners, this is a strong move.

But these actions only shook people up. And again the authorities threw gasoline into the fire. Well, let's not judge.

But here it becomes clear how low the level of trust in any actions of Lukashenka is.

Belarus today is facing not just a crisis, but a long and protracted political crisis. Classic, when the people do not want to live in the old way, and the authorities cannot rule in a new way.

Today Lukashenka relies exclusively on a forceful scenario.

Since the beginning of the protests, on August 9, the police have detained about 14 thousand people. 3 people were killed, 79 were missing, 3 of the missing were found dead. The number of people beaten by the police and security forces is estimated in the thousands. It is impossible to find exact figures, the opposition may exaggerate, the official channels, quite naturally, are trying with all their might to shield themselves.

A power scenario is a dictatorship. And the world does not like dictatorships today. Reducing their number, let's say, by the entire world community with rare exceptions.

Putin expressed support for Lukashenka. CSTO, "we are not abandoning our own", loans and so on. And here an analogy question arises.

Don't we think that all this is very similar to Ukraine and Viktor Yanukovych?

Yes, many will say: there is a difference. Yanukovych could have suppressed the "Maidan" in the bud, and nothing would have happened in Ukraine. Maybe.

As a result, in Ukraine we have a simplified regime concentration camp, where outspoken Nazis act as guards, persecuting dissidents.

In the case of Belarus, everything is the same, only the role of the Ukrainian Nazis is played by security officials, judges and state officials.

Actually, the question arises: what difference does it make who is standing on the tower with a machine gun (exaggerating, yes), a riot policeman or a terrorist soldier, if he is still on the tower with a machine gun? And you can only say what is pleasant for the authorities to hear? And a machine gun as an argument?

Mr. Lukashenko now rests solely on Putin's promise to help and on the bayonets of the forcefully coaxed security officials. The siloviki will continue to beat and maim ordinary citizens, because in the event of Lukashenka's fall, they will be torn apart.


Photo: Radio Liberty - Belarus

More than one billion dollars were poured into Yanukovych. And where are these billions? The situation is about the same with Lukashenka. Will Russia's money save him or will it be like that of a Ukrainian colleague? .. It's a matter of time.

In any case, Lukashenka's position is not the strongest, and therefore Putin should very clearly calculate every move, investing in Lukashenka. Otherwise, it can really come out like Yanukovych. I wouldn't want to.

After all, the situation is really similar: both Yanukovych and Lukashenka really "got" almost the entire population of their countries. And history is a very harmful thing, there are enough repetitions.

I am specifically speaking about the promises of Putin, not Russia. These are different sides of the coin. But the situation is really stalemate: the Belarusian authorities are trying to use force, not trying to establish a dialogue, just suppress all the speeches. The protesters, despite the fact that their leaders were imprisoned, and the rest (Tikhanovskaya, for example) do not demonstrate either independence or a clear position, they are demonstrating their readiness to continue protest actions.


Photo: Vlad Borisevich / Onliner

Fight for attrition. Despite the fact that Lukashenka has removed from the political scene all competitors, some abroad, some in jail, he will hardly be able to remove the last obstacle. Simply because they are a large part of the people.

Therefore, one should not even think that the Belarusians will give up and surrender. On the contrary, as practice shows, another political blunder of Lukashenka only causes another surge of unrest and demonstrations. If the problem was only in the recount of votes, then, quite possibly, everything would have happened as in Russia with the constitution - they made some noise and dispersed.

But the problem of Belarus is much deeper, there is not just a conflict between the “upper and lower classes”, there is a complete unwillingness of the authorities to enter into dialogue with the people, and vice versa, a pronounced desire to live according to the model and likeness of the past.

But the world is changing, it has changed in this case, completely oblivious to the unwillingness of the Belarusian authorities to change with it.

It was not for nothing that I put lines from the famous song of our Yegor Letov at the beginning. They are prophetic in many ways. And the unwillingness of the Belarusians to live in the old way can really become ice under Mr. Lukashenka's patent boots.
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  1. Grandfather
    Grandfather 15 October 2020 05: 26 New
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    The protest movement continues for the third month in Belarus.
    and about Khabarovsk will be?
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 15 October 2020 05: 40 New
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      oh) no need) there is already a frank Navalnovsky circus remained. as they did not provoke the security forces, they did not touch them. now they really got mad with impunity and decided that setting up tents in the central square of the city and turning on the loudspeakers would be a complete ride. but this was no longer tolerated.
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        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 15 October 2020 06: 07 New
          -8
          well, cockroaches are tenacious)
          1. Machito
            Machito 15 October 2020 07: 05 New
            43
            The third month of Maydan. And what do they eat? Where does the money come from? Any Maidan requires funding. What funds? They discuss politics for free only in the kitchen, everything else requires money. So without financial and informational support from the West, the Maidan is not possible, and Western financiers openly support the cook Tikhanovskaya.
            Is the daddy atrocities? And what is happening in the West? In the USA and Germany, the COMENDANT CLOCK is introduced in cities without any elections. In France and Bulgaria, children are dispersed with batons and tear gas. The dad is just an angel compared to Western preziks.
            And about the repeated poisoning of Navalny by Novichok: four days ago they hunted cockroaches with Dichlorvos with his brother, his brother is still with allergies. It's just that in the West they don't know anything about the chemical warfare agent DICHLOFOS.
            1. Dart2027
              Dart2027 15 October 2020 07: 37 New
              23
              Quote: Bearded
              It's just that in the West they don't know anything about the chemical warfare agent DICHLOFOS.

              1. Avior
                Avior 16 October 2020 04: 43 New
                +8
                Did the girl survive three attacks without changing clothes or changing the condition of her hair?
                Didn't even comb her hair.
                I was always amazed at how easily outright fakes pass if people want to believe in them.
                The child was simply carried out of the danger zone by three people in turn.
                1. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 16 October 2020 06: 21 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Avior
                  The child was simply carried out of the danger zone by three people in turn.

                  What is not ten? If you did not understand there were no dangerous zones at all.
                  1. Avior
                    Avior 16 October 2020 07: 27 New
                    +2
                    If you do not understand, these three particular photos are a deception, calculated on the fact that people will blindly believe him.
                    We took three photos from one event and pretended that they were taken at different times.
                    And for what purpose they did it, this is the second question.
                    1. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 16 October 2020 10: 27 New
                      0
                      Quote: Avior
                      If you do not understand, these three photos specifically

                      a visual exposure of the lies of your masters.
                  2. Avior
                    Avior 16 October 2020 07: 27 New
                    +2
                    If you do not understand, these three particular photos are a deception, calculated on the fact that people will blindly believe him.
                    We took three photos from one event and pretended that they were taken at different times.
                    And why this deception was invented is the second question.
                    1. Sanichsan
                      Sanichsan 17 October 2020 08: 46 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Avior
                      If you do not understand, these three particular photos are a deception, calculated on the fact that people will blindly believe him.

                      Well Duc comrade you and wrote "lies of your masters." who are your masters? Americans. their lies? them. What's not clear?
            2. Navel
              Navel 15 October 2020 08: 05 New
              11
              Test, Beardach. It would be nice to analyze the Belarusian events through the prism of the movement of yellow vests and macronism in France (obviously, it will not turn out in favor of the totalitarian frogs).
              And then:
              1. far-fetched comparisons with the events in Ukraine. Moreover, some abstract Nazis are condemned, and not the fascist Zelensky regime, which prohibits the Russian language, freedom of speech, eliminating dissent.
              2. the praise of the protesters - in fact, a handful of people who are not able to look: well, what are the Ukrainians doing there? and fold one to one
              I will not analyze each stuffing.
              1. Machito
                Machito 15 October 2020 15: 28 New
                +1
                The European Union has imposed sanctions on Russia for poisoning the Primary Dichlorvos: it poured too much into beer. Lavrov is once again concerned, our anxious))) Miller pumps gas into the vaterland.
                And it is necessary in response to impose an embargo on oil and gas supplies to Europe in winter, and see what will happen to energy prices. Western courts will impose sanctions on us for failure to fulfill contracts for the supply of oil and gas. In response, we can arrest the shares of Western companies in our Gazprom, Rosneft and other companies. But for this you need to have steel cuckolds, like Stalin's, or at least, like Khrushchev's.
                P we will continue to mock. Concerned pancake. Sounds like a sex minority. Russia is the sixth economy in the world, and the people are poor. But our oligarchs have yachts that are cooler than our Navy. Ugh on them.
                1. Antonio_Mariarti
                  Antonio_Mariarti 15 October 2020 17: 54 New
                  -2
                  For this, are you ready to cut your salary by about 30-50 percent?
                  Quote: Bearded
                  For this, are you ready to cut your salary by about 30-50 percent?
                2. Ali
                  Ali 16 October 2020 00: 34 New
                  -7
                  Bearded man! Completely right.
                  Belarusians will destroy their industry for the sake of the West and will walk the world with outstretched hand!
                  They are waiting for:
                  Goodbye MAZ, goodbye Belaz ...
                  Hello Polish toilet ...

                  Sorry brothers ...
                  1. Ali
                    Ali 16 October 2020 12: 51 New
                    -1
                    My answer to the Belarusian minusators and other sympathizers. A guide to color revolutions in action. You can't kill the truth !:
              2. Moss
                Moss 15 October 2020 20: 04 New
                +3
                Navel: "... in fact a handful of incapable ..." Seriously, a handful ??? Have you turned off the Internet? Or do you only show BT in the village, and the Internet has never been seen before? Before you talk nonsense, work out the materiel, it is useful for you and others will not twist their fingers at their temples while reading you ...
                1. Navel
                  Navel 15 October 2020 21: 51 New
                  -4
                  Quote: Moss
                  Navel: "... in fact a handful of incapable ..." Seriously, a handful ??? Have you turned off the Internet? Or do you only show BT in the village, and the Internet has never been seen before? Before you talk nonsense, work out the materiel, it is useful for you and others will not twist their fingers at their temples while reading you ...

                  Why should I watch the Great Russia Russophobic BT? There it went and stupid. Some time ago I was stuck on HERE buy, where, obviously, I enjoyed some popularity, doing explanatory work among the zmagars. Before the elections in the blue-eyed, he was banned without explanation, just in case, as it always happens in the pro-Western media.
                  For those who are not in the subject HERE buy is one of the centers of Internet protest in Bulbanistan.
                  So here, throw off the link to "not a handful of protesters" at least for the last week.
                  Hope you won't go down the toilet?
                  I'm waiting.
                  1. Sanichsan
                    Sanichsan 17 October 2020 08: 50 New
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                    Quote: navel
                    Hope you won't go down the toilet?

                    hike merged wassat
                    no, their business is dead. what kind of "nasty revolution" is there when pytsriots merge like this? request
                2. Oprichnik
                  Oprichnik 16 October 2020 01: 15 New
                  -1
                  Mossu Go to the march, the riot police can clear their brains if they don't work!
            3. Olgovich
              Olgovich 15 October 2020 08: 30 New
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              Quote: Bearded
              Is the daddy atrocities? And what is happening in the West? In the USA and Germany, the COMENDANT CLOCK is introduced in cities without any elections.


              In response to accusations of "atrocities", it is necessary to quote official figures, and not stupid hysterical opposition cries about "raped" with batons: as many as two months have been instituted .... 3 thousand ADMINISTRATIVE cases (these are fines) are nothing at all, they are like that " atrocities. "
              and only ... 275 criminal cases: for attacks on police officers, assaults, etc. (which is logical)

              And yes - who and what gave the oppam and their justifiers the RIGHT to speak from for the PEOPLE Belarus? With what fright?

              And they stand for Lukashenka Millions of voters and these silent FOR have the RIGHT to vote not lessthan shouting AGAINST.

              The marches of screaming hysterics-youngsters are a spectacle so shameful and disgusting that it is incomprehensible how the admiring people do not see it.

              And yes, after the victory of these screeching youngsters in Moldova in 2009, they are practically in full force ...left wash the experience and spread your legs to the West: that "victory of democracy" that THEY have achieved ...Did NOT give them a job or the opportunity to exist at home.

              Here's what to remember and at least KNOW
              1. Anton S
                Anton S 15 October 2020 09: 39 New
                -3
                “Millions are worth?” A man who is worth millions will not conduct a secret inauguration and secretly take its participants there. If he had announced it in advance, he would have seen completely different millions on the streets and in every window.
                1. anykin
                  anykin 15 October 2020 23: 26 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Anton S
                  I would see completely different millions

                  Yes "WOULD" interfere.
              2. tihonmarine
                tihonmarine 15 October 2020 09: 45 New
                +9
                Quote: Olgovich
                The marches of screaming hysterics-youngsters are a spectacle so shameful and disgusting that it is incomprehensible how the admiring people do not see it.

                You said that well.
              3. Anton S
                Anton S 15 October 2020 10: 29 New
                -10
                Have any criminal cases been opened against the security forces who committed the murders? One unarmed demonstrator was shot from thirty meters away (the video can be easily found on the Internet). There are no guilty ones, everything is fine. The authorities are also silent about torture in the temporary detention facility, as the AHL said: let's turn the page.
                1. carstorm 11
                  carstorm 11 15 October 2020 10: 49 New
                  +9
                  Are you talking about someone who had served 7 years before, it seems, for inflicting grave deaths? He was so re-educated that he popped on the security forces? Is there proof? data? Or will we take everyone's word for it, like that red-haired girl with low social responsibility? they could slap in the face. I believe. put my muzzle on the asphalt also believe. but I don’t believe about needles under the nails and other clubs.
                  1. Kisa
                    Kisa 16 October 2020 02: 14 New
                    -2
                    from biathlete Domracheva, who took half of all the gold from the last Olympiad of her beloved athlete Tarakan, so her brother was from ... the cops the day before yesterday so he is sleeping right now, like he was driving a fox-pedaled past ...
                    I understand the position of local patriots in printsype - Strong Potato trades in sovereignty in exchange for loyalty, which is in the hands of the Kremlin to expand the borders of the empire. as I also understand why the Beolorians gradually disappeared from this site ...
                    I think Vova still makes a mistake saving a cockroach and turning Belarusians away from Russians
                    1. carstorm 11
                      carstorm 11 16 October 2020 03: 18 New
                      +5
                      you mean those who go under the white-red flag? my friends and relatives, let's say nothing turns away from us, but rather the opposite. it is not worth talking about the whole country, let alone the nation.
                    2. Olgovich
                      Olgovich 16 October 2020 08: 49 New
                      +3
                      Quote: kitty
                      artoshik trades in sovereignty

                      You tell us about the "sovereignty" of Ukraine, Moldova, Lithuania, and make the audience laugh, yes ...
                2. Kochegarkin
                  Kochegarkin 15 October 2020 11: 44 New
                  +6
                  Quote: Anton S
                  Have any criminal cases been opened against the security forces who committed the murders?


                  Do you ever confuse "sinful with correct"?
                  By law, representatives of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and other structures involved in the protection of law and order are granted the right, mind you - an exclusive right. violence and the use of weapons. at the discretion of that very representative, in order to protect both the government and the state system, and his own life, honor and dignity. Do you want to deprive the employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of this right? And what do you get in the end? And the question of excessive application of this right is already the second question. On, not entirely, legal grounds, the protesters are trying to overthrow the government - VIOLATION OF THE LAW, the violator of the law must be held accountable, as a rule, imprisonment, up to and including deprivation of life. For - the opposition of the personal desires of an individual to the laws of society is UNACCEPTABLE. And about the "beaten passers-by" - adequate people sit at home, so as not to "catch up" by chance, but those who do not have enough adrenaline, go for a ride on a bike, then wander with a kid, which purposefully warm up the situation. Each beaten cyclist is a plus for the protesters, from the court we can conclude that the whole crowd should not be paid. it is cheaper and more effective to pay to one "dad with a stroller", "a pensioner with a dog" or "a blogger on a bike ride", and again - "to give a paw" to an OMON officer, one of the platoon, is also more effective and cheaper.

                  I do not believe in the Belarusian protests as an expression of the will of the people, as well as in "Khabarovsk", as well as in the "yellow vests", I think that all this is quite generously funded. Negroes also do not riot for free in the United States. And all the adherents of building a global world with a global economy and a world government finance this.

                  A normal person is busy raising children (and if they are not there, he decides whether to appear), building a house, planting a tree, hunting a mammoth (earning money for food), he has no time to "overthrow an unwanted dictator."
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                  3. Anton S
                    Anton S 15 October 2020 12: 25 New
                    -4
                    "The law, representatives of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and other structures involved in the protection of law and order are granted the right, mind you - the exclusive right. To violence and the use of weapons" - ie. now you can blame people, and then say: excuse me, I have an exclusive right?
                    "A normal person is busy raising children (and if they are not there, decides whether to appear), building a house, planting a tree, hunting a mammoth (earning money for food), he has no time to" overthrow an unwanted dictator. "- Everyone has their own understanding of normality, normal a person does not want to feel like a cattle in his country.
                    1. carstorm 11
                      carstorm 11 15 October 2020 13: 37 New
                      0
                      why should they apologize? these are the principles of any state in the world, the right to violence. for some reason it does not come to me. probably due to the fact that I simply do not break the laws and do not participate in mass booths.
                      1. Revival
                        Revival 15 October 2020 13: 59 New
                        +2
                        Well, if you are always silent, no matter what they do to you, then maybe they will not touch ...
                        This is a good position ... safe until a certain point
                      2. carstorm 11
                        carstorm 11 15 October 2020 14: 03 New
                        -1
                        normal. I'm not a heifer that would use me for someone's interests. there is a definition - Madness is an exact repetition of one and the same action. Time after time, hoping for a change. so much of this has happened and it always gets worse. but with manic persistence more and more people repeat other people's mistakes. how many of these revolutions have there been in recent years? who got better from them?
                      3. Revival
                        Revival 15 October 2020 15: 26 New
                        -2
                        Can the authorities use you as they want? Is this normal? "No matter what happens ...".
                        Everything is clear with your position
                      4. carstorm 11
                        carstorm 11 15 October 2020 15: 51 New
                        -2
                        that's why she is the power. do you imagine it differently? at all times, in all corners of the world, power is always used by the population. from taxes to service for his benefit. in the case of the Protestants, whoever pays for it will use me. the choice is quite obvious.
                      5. Revival
                        Revival 15 October 2020 16: 09 New
                        +2
                        I speak with your position "the master will come here ...", everything is clear
                      6. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 15 October 2020 16: 55 New
                        -1
                        Quote: Revival
                        "The master is coming ...", everything is clear

                        That is, you are proposing to liquidate the state?
                      7. Revival
                        Revival 16 October 2020 00: 11 New
                        +4
                        I propose to eliminate the arbitrariness of people who call themselves a state in their own interests, contrary to the interests of the bulk of the people
                      8. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 16 October 2020 06: 23 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Revival
                        I suggest

                        allow the arbitrariness of people who want to destroy it.
                      9. Revival
                        Revival 16 October 2020 12: 43 New
                        +3
                        Well, your proposal is somehow inadequate
                      10. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 16 October 2020 15: 08 New
                        -1
                        Quote: Revival
                        Well your suggestion

                        corresponds to the realities of life.
              4. carstorm 11
                carstorm 11 15 October 2020 23: 10 New
                +2
                my position is to respect the laws of the country in which you live. and the norms of the society that surrounds.
              5. Lannan Shi
                Lannan Shi 15 October 2020 23: 28 New
                +9
                Quote: carstorm 11
                my position is to respect the laws of the country in which you live. and the norms of the society that surrounds.

                It is understood that this respect is imperative for the common people. Is that so? But the authorities, from your point of view, on the laws of the country, and other garbage, can score in full. So?
              6. Revival
                Revival 16 October 2020 00: 56 New
                +7
                Exactly!
                Well, take Lipchanin (nickname), so he directly admitted that if the law was adopted that one should be a slave, then he should be! Oh how!
                Because as the law!
                We even got to the fascist laws! I admitted everything !, as supposedly the law !!!
                This is who you should feel yourself !!!!!!!

                Another, like the nickname Gato, admitted backed to the wall, having no arguments against the facts of being, that it would be better to be a slave of the present than someone else !!! A slave !!
                Ps with the nickname Gato, I'm not 100% sure about memory in the heat, so if I made a mistake by accident, I ask you to seriously excuse me, I broke the phone with chrins, I'm ready for serious investigation if the site stores data.
              7. carstorm 11
                carstorm 11 16 October 2020 01: 42 New
                +1
                are you normal compliance with the laws of the state is your responsibility as a citizen of that country. you are not prohibited from renouncing citizenship and dumping nafig if you do not want to live legally and fulfill your duties.
              8. Revival
                Revival 16 October 2020 12: 07 New
                +4
                I'm normal.
                Is it also a duty to comply with savage, inhuman laws?
                The SS men also thought so, I didn't think that you were going there too ...
                And if the law comes out that the slaves will now be those and those?
                I envy your humility and humility
              9. carstorm 11
                carstorm 11 16 October 2020 12: 56 New
                -3
                is it such a perverted logic to compare everything with Nazism? 90 percent of the population who does not participate in this booth live on them and calmly. and only a noisy minority decided again that it had the right to speak for everyone. this minority has assumed the right to decide for everyone. tell everyone how to live and what to respect. this very minority has reformatted half of the world so that it is already scary.
              10. Revival
                Revival 16 October 2020 13: 12 New
                +4
                No, this is a method to which you have nothing to adequately answer
              11. carstorm 11
                carstorm 11 16 October 2020 13: 35 New
                -3
                I really cannot adequately answer nonsense and nonsense) I'm not 15 years old, forgive me. I am quite literate to know the definition of Nazism and how to apply it.
              12. Revival
                Revival 16 October 2020 15: 11 New
                +2
                Yes, I noticed that you answer inadequately
              13. carstorm 11
                carstorm 11 16 October 2020 15: 16 New
                -2
                Well, I didn't ask you to evaluate my adequacy) I don't care about it
              14. Revival
                Revival 16 October 2020 15: 23 New
                +3
                Yes, I already understood that the adequacy of you on the drum, I understood
    2. begemot20091
      begemot20091 19 October 2020 22: 51 New
      -1
      so now the former SS men and forest brothers (more precisely, their children), who burned your villages and killed children, burned alive, took blood for the Wehrmacht soldiers command your maydanuts and Tikhanovskaya passionately kisses them. The rattle is stupid., Who bought (judging by her English) a diploma in the transition.
  2. Fan-fan
    Fan-fan 16 October 2020 17: 35 New
    +4
    If according to the "law" they will rob me, then I will fight against this law and against those who adopted this law.
  3. midivan
    midivan 17 October 2020 00: 49 New
    0
    Quote: Fan-Fan
    If according to the "law" they will rob me, then I will fight against this law and against those who adopted this law.

    laughing laughing laughing You reminded me of the meme now, there is a picture that depicts a guy and a "girl" in the ninth month of pregnancy, holding a pregnancy test in their hands, and surprise on their faces. Signed - advertisement, pregnancy test in Estonia.
  4. Sanichsan
    Sanichsan 17 October 2020 12: 27 New
    -2
    Quote: Fan-Fan
    If according to the "law" they will rob me, then I will fight against this law and against those who adopted this law.

    that is, you should rob, not you?
  5. carstorm 11
    carstorm 11 16 October 2020 01: 39 New
    +7
    no. but there are legal and civilized methods. and not the opinion of the minority that dictates to the majority their Wishlist. while behaving as he wants, hammering on his laws and responsibilities. I'm from Khabarovsk. I've been watching all this big top for several months too. these loud and chatty people who speak for the rest are hated by the whole city. in prosecutors and police departments thousands of statements that they interfere with people's lives and violate order.
  6. Revival
    Revival 16 October 2020 12: 44 New
    +2
    Apparently Exactly so!
    They say we are small people, it is not our mind's business, and so on.
    Ideal mass for exploitation and abuse
  7. Sanichsan
    Sanichsan 17 October 2020 12: 31 New
    -1
    Quote: Revival
    Ideal mass for exploitation and abuse

    oops! won as about 90% of the population of Belarus belay
    and the Nazis under the white-red-white flags are your friends? Ie it is normal that all their leaders managed to speak out for a break with Russia? chtol your passionaries? belay
  8. Revival
    Revival 17 October 2020 14: 23 New
    +1
    about 90%!?
    Feel free to say so! Unreasonably
  9. Sanichsan
    Sanichsan 17 October 2020 14: 36 New
    -1
    Quote: Revival
    Feel free to say so! Unreasonably

    on the contrary, it is quite reasonable. at the peak of the protest, the number of protesters fell short of 10% of the population.
    and how are you? do you prefer the most reliable opinion polls from the Polish neksta or personal statements of the guaydikha? laughing
  10. Revival
    Revival 17 October 2020 14: 37 New
    +1
    Yeah, do you count children too?
  11. Revival
    Revival 16 October 2020 00: 19 New
    +2
    Here I am about the same, but first of all these same laws should be respected by the leadership, as soon as not, then the second part of the "respect process" should and has the right to bring the first violator into a state of "respect for the laws she violated."
    That's it!
  12. Revival
    Revival 16 October 2020 00: 52 New
    +2
    That's it! And anyone who does not respect the laws of his country from the president to the homeless should be punished by law, and the higher the position (privileges), the tougher !!!
    Any!
  13. carstorm 11
    carstorm 11 16 October 2020 01: 48 New
    +1
    and I agree with you. and the crowd running around the city in what place does it according to the law? which does not obey the lawful demands of the police? all these are attempts to extinguish the flame with an even larger flame. the law cannot be protected by breaking it yourself whenever you want. the minority should not shout over the majority.
  14. Revival
    Revival 16 October 2020 12: 46 New
    +3
    So give an example of how you can actually achieve something by a different method, but if you propose to simply humbly be silent in a rag, then this is not a method.
    And yes, just don't write about "going to court" ..
  15. carstorm 11
    carstorm 11 16 October 2020 12: 51 New
    -3
    to start doing everything according to the law. and not flock to the center and pump the right. there are ordinary people and walk and live. something about their rights, these fighters do not remember.
  16. Revival
    Revival 16 October 2020 13: 11 New
    +2
    I'm asking you what can be done according to the law? What is the method to Really achieve something?
    You just don't need to go to court ...
  17. carstorm 11
    carstorm 11 16 October 2020 13: 33 New
    0
    you will not believe, but for example rallies can be coordinated) arrange everything according to the law. no one interfered with Tikhanovskaya's election campaign) what was the problem after? )
  18. Revival
    Revival 16 October 2020 15: 10 New
    +2
    To approve?
    Or you may not agree, and ..
    Will they agree on a lot? Continuous refusals.
    And the meeting with the topic of falsification of elections is definitely not coordinated.
    For example, they did not agree on what is the next legal method to change the situation in real terms?
  19. carstorm 11
    carstorm 11 16 October 2020 15: 12 New
    -2
    Well, this is already beyond the bounds ... but who tried it?) Or did they just vypzhali herd on the face and not waiting for the end of the election?)))
  20. Revival
    Revival 16 October 2020 15: 27 New
    +2
    What's beyond?
    Don't you know that the lion's share of applications is rejected?
    So I ask, did not agree, then what?
  21. carstorm 11
    carstorm 11 16 October 2020 15: 34 New
    -3
    Again. Nobody prevented Tikhonovsova from gathering people before the elections. Where did you get the idea what to interfere with the stanut after? But they decided to deliberately ignore this tool and immediately press for violation of the law. That's all. As for the other options, the point is now to talk about this temmv when she and her party initially went into conflict and made a mess in the country? They didn't plan to do everything according to the law.
  22. Revival
    Revival 16 October 2020 15: 51 New
    +3
    "As for other variants, it makes sense now to talk about this temmv ..".

    I ask you, in principle, about further methods, and not about the actions of Tikhanovskaya and so on.

    You simply have nothing to say, because you are at a dead end, because if they do not agree, then there are no other methods in the law, since the law is written for yourself and for yourself.

    And you simply do not want to come to this conclusion, but objectively you cannot come up with something.

    So again:
    You have proposed a method, an agreed meeting.
    Suppose the meeting is not coordinated.
    What to do next to really change the situation?
    (Do not suggest going to a government-controlled court, especially considering that the law may not necessarily have an obligation to coordinate).
  23. FOBOSS
    FOBOSS 16 October 2020 22: 51 New
    +1
    Before the elections, Babariko was the main candidate until he was removed. And before the elections, they began to disperse the queues of those wishing to put signatures in support of the candidates.
  24. Revival
    Revival 17 October 2020 14: 26 New
    +1
    Are you out of suggestions for legal methods?
    What should have been stated
  25. Terrible GMO
    Terrible GMO 18 October 2020 23: 10 New
    +1
    Quote: carstorm 11
    Nobody prevented Tikhonovsova from gathering people before the elections.

    Really? Clarify for all cases of how the authorities occupied all permitted sites for this. Pre-agreed two weeks before. In law. And there were only SIX of them in Minsk in the backyards.
    Explain why, on a certain date, each site began a celebration of unprecedented communal generosity. They dug holes, planted flowers, dealt with scenes, suddenly the tiles or other whims of public utilities were shifted.
    Explain why the people standing in line at the closing (in a few days) shop came to knit riot police.

    Quote: carstorm 11
    But they decided to deliberately ignore this tool and immediately press for violation of the law

    The headquarters of Tsepkalo and Babariko, and later the united one, followed the law to the very last letter. How did it end? The first one left for Russia (until they filed for him on the wanted list) because they were going to knit him and his children.
    The second is still in jail with his son. Followed to the last letter of the law. And the authorities do not care about the law.
    And now all his lawyers have their licenses taken away. To be truncated according to the law.

    Quote: carstorm 11
    when she and her supporters initially went into conflict

    Interfere with the collection of signatures for candidates, sit down candidates (Tikhanovsky has been sitting since May for the fact that the unfortunate Ministry of Internal Affairs fell three meters away from him and this was recorded by a camera), put people in queues in shops, in queues when filing complaints with the CEC (By law as you like), interfere with campaigning, interfere with events, plant volunteers, plant signature collectors and a huge list. This is all falshchyuka from Poland and they went into conflict.

    Quote: carstorm 11
    made a mess in the country

    Truncated by law
  26. Sanichsan
    Sanichsan 17 October 2020 12: 34 New
    -2
    Quote: carstorm 11
    Or just vypzhali herd on the face and without waiting for the end of the election?)))

    why just? not at all simple, but coordinated through the Internet by a strange coincidence of circumstances based in Poland, Lithuania and the Czech Republic.
  27. FOBOSS
    FOBOSS 16 October 2020 22: 47 New
    +1
    After the last agreed rally, where, according to various estimates, from 40 to 60 thousand came, all subsequent rallies were no longer allowed to be coordinated under the pretext like "the day of the railway troops is taking place on this site," although this type of troops was abolished a couple of years ago.
  28. Revival
    Revival 17 October 2020 14: 44 New
    +2
    Stop hiding behind the interests of ordinary people, they break the silence, and so on.
    For the passage of "VIP persons" the roads are blocked because of one face for many, why don't you care about the inconvenience for "ordinary" people?
    And there is no need for double standards, since in one case it is possible because of a supposedly important matter, then the reason for the rally is no less important!
    Well, for the sake of their interests, since you are so worried, remove the reason for people to go to the rally on the very first day. There will be no reason for a rally and will not gather for a rally and make noise and interfere on the roads. AND?
    What immediately diminished worries?
  29. Dart2027
    Dart2027 17 October 2020 18: 02 New
    -3
    Quote: Revival
    remove on the first day the reason people went to the rally.

    The police and the KGB are doing this.
    Quote: Revival
    Stop hiding behind the interests of ordinary people

    You and your colleagues really have enough.
  30. Revival
    Revival 17 October 2020 19: 49 New
    +1
    Damn, I thought who wrote, but this is again ... a liar ...
  31. Dart2027
    Dart2027 17 October 2020 20: 31 New
    -2
    Quote: Revival
    Damn, I thought who wrote

    Again there is nothing to object.
    Quote: Revival
    again it's ... a liar

    Said the liar plowing on Uncle Sam.
  32. Revival
    Revival 18 October 2020 01: 37 New
    +2
    You are a brazen petty liar, apparently a troll, said that I am for the United States and merged the most shameful, without proving, do not write to me, it is disgusting
  33. Dart2027
    Dart2027 18 October 2020 07: 06 New
    -2
    Quote: Revival
    You are a brazen petty liar, apparently a troll, said that I am for the USA and

    Another colored revolutionary shouts. What really hurts your eyes?
  34. FOBOSS
    FOBOSS 16 October 2020 22: 40 New
    +2
    Those. when they bring 25 folders of testimonies and evidence of election fraud, and they are flushed down the toilet and not a single criminal case is opened, this is according to the law. When hundreds of thousands of collected signatures are rejected (by whole microdistricts) - this is by law. When signatures are collected for a usurper at workplaces during work, in an orderly manner, this is according to the law, when a person walking a dog is shot from a passing bus with security officials - this is according to the law, when a law on parasites is passed according to which people who have lost their jobs must still pay extra to the state to obey such a law?
    According to the law, the elections must be declared invalid due to massive falsifications, and none of this would have happened.
  35. Garris199
    Garris199 16 October 2020 12: 51 New
    +5
    The authorities, first of all, did not care about these laws.
  • Kochegarkin
    Kochegarkin 15 October 2020 14: 23 New
    12
    Quote: Anton S
    now you can blame people, and then say: sorry, I have an exclusive right

    not just "blame", but - "eliminate the threat to the state and society"

    A strange question - why do you and you (like you) believe that those who came to the rally represent the interests of society, and not their own and, God forbid, the interests of another state? Most of the population stays at home and silently supports Lukashenko / Putin / Macron, etc. Those. the majority are happy with their lives (if you look at the essence and the root), and the passionate minority is trying to change the course of events. Personally, I will not go to a rally either against the current government or in its support .... although ... no, I will go to a rally in support of the government. Because, like any change of ruler, and God forbid a change of regime, leads to a "redistribution of property and spheres of influence" within the state, and this is not necessary for me, or believe me, for the majority of Russians, as well as for the inhabitants of another country. Again gangster showdowns, drug addicts in the entrances, schoolgirls - ******* (with reduced social responsibility), dismiss my friend, just started cleaning up this dirt, and then again ...

    Quote: Anton S
    Everyone has their own understanding of normality, a normal person does not want to feel like a cattle in his country

    Normal is to be like most. I do not consider myself normal in some issues, while in most issues I do. The concept of normality is one, and all you mean is the interpretation of your desires and concepts about a person. In Heyrops, tolerance towards immigrants and homosexuals is now considered normal, I personally do not consider these things acceptable for myself, am I normal or not? Is it normal for the Berlin police not to accept reports of rape of German women by visiting Arabs?
    CATTLE IN YOUR COUNTRY - are you talking about Belarusians? Are you a Belarusian? If yes - I'll tell you this, life in Belarus is better than in Russia. In terms of living standards, and closer to the border than Ulyanovsk (for example). The floor of Mother Russia lives on a salary just above the subsistence level. If not - then tell me, what is the reason for you to "drive" to FATHER? And I see only one reason - we will remove Lukashenko today - Putin tomorrow? And this is "regime change", and I wrote about the consequences above.

    It seems to me my friend - that you are a Cossack ... you will not be from the ranks of globalists ... ARE YOU NOT SOROSOVSKY ARE YOU FATHERING!?!?!?!
    1. Anton S
      Anton S 15 October 2020 15: 05 New
      0
      "Not just" blame ", but -" eliminate the threat to the state and society "" - it means whoever does not agree, you can blame-liquidate.
      "life in Belarus is better than in Russia. In terms of living standards, and closer to the border than Ulyanovsk (for example). The floor of mother's Russia lives on salary just above the subsistence level." - that is, your message: that you are there in Belarus you are mad with fat, you don’t fall out of hunger, and okay. With all my love for Russia (I say this without irony), there are other countries in the world with which you can compare the standard of living of the Belarusian population.
      And I have to upset you, I am a Belarusian, not a SOROSOVSKY FOOD. If a person's opinion differs from yours, it does not mean that he works for Soros and is subject to liquidation.
    2. Kochegarkin
      Kochegarkin 15 October 2020 15: 12 New
      -1
      Quote: Anton S
      your message: that you are mad with fat in your Republic of Belarus, you don’t fall out of hunger, and okay. With all my love for Russia (I say this without irony), there are other countries in the world with which the standard of living of the population of Belarus can be compared

      What are you calling for?
      In which country, with a socially oriented state, the standard of living of the population is incomparably higher than yours in Belarus?

      How much does 1 year of study at a university in Belarus cost?

      What medical services are included in the "list of urgent medical services" provided free of charge in your hospitals?

      How many loaves of bread can you buy for unemployment benefits?

      I know little about your everyday life ... tell us.
    3. pro100y.belarus
      pro100y.belarus 16 October 2020 09: 32 New
      +2
      [quote = Kochegarkin] I don't know much about your everyday life ... tell us.
      A small example from the life of an average Belarusian.
      Before Kovid, Belarusian sanatoriums were packed with Russian pensioners on vacation. On their retirement they could easily afford this rest and professional treatment.
      After the operation, I needed rehabilitation, but I, who had worked in production all my life and received a good salary, had to take certificates from doctors, apply to the trade union in order to somehow compensate for the cost of the voucher without a hole in the family budget.
      THIS IS NORMAL?
      Is a hard worker poorer than a Russian pensioner in Belarus? In a country that was being built not only by a "strong business executive", but also by millions of workers and peasants.
      Take Lukashenka to your place with Putin in Krasnaya Polyana and pray for them as much as you like.
      I hate Lukashenka, I hate punishers, and I am starting to hate the Russians who support them.
      And there are MILLIONS of people like me.
    4. Kochegarkin
      Kochegarkin 16 October 2020 11: 51 New
      -2
      my mother's pension is 10300 rubles, translated into Belarusian ruble - 340,12
      probably this is a lot, or maybe not enough by your standards, but my mother does not even have enough for a communal apartment in winter ...
      I have an average per capita income in my family of 8000 rubles - 264,17 Belarusian rubles ...
      the cost of studying at the university is 91 600, this year, the annual cost ... this is more than my monthly salary, much more ... plus the child needs to live somewhere, that is ...
      in the list of medical services, the pole includes all services to support life. But complex operations are still for money, some of the prescription drugs are only for money. most, all drugs ...
      You can buy 50 loaves of bread for unemployment benefits, and you can receive it for no more than 3 months in a row. then you need to find a thread ...

      Quote: pro100y.belarus
      having worked in production all his life, receiving a good salary, he was forced to take certificates from doctors, apply to the trade union in order to somehow compensate for the cost of the voucher without a hole in the family budget

      I don't think about that option at all ...
      this year I decided to visit my relatives, trains 1000 km one way, on a personal car, with children, no frills, a couple of museums, food on the way - sausages at gas stations, put my budget cancer for a couple of months, I have a good salary for region, but I live on credit ...

      And the most important thing. I wrote about this above - I AM AGAINST THE CHANGE OF POWER !!! I don’t want to live worse, I understand that I will not live better, but after the state digression, I definitely will not be able to feed my family if I don’t go to crime, and no one is waiting for me there ...

      Have you thought about what will happen after Lukashenka is replaced by a light-cutlet, or someone else? Will your government apparatus be able to digest the "candy" that the opposition will put on you and resist and not crumble? Be realistic.
      Most of the countries you look at with envy have made their way to financial stability through long and painful centuries of bloody alterations and showdowns between the business elite, do not agree - take a good look at history. Some countries have received money "for free", who will give Belarus a lot of money at once and without frames? Open your eyes, do not be a naive boy, no one and no one ever does anything for free (I mean the world community). Poland is a subsidized EU country. Germany is restored after the Second World War by American and British bankers who are now filling this same Germany with Arabs. Switzerland - all my life, forgive me ... God, I lay down under everyone, read about the war years, how the Germans and French rested in Switzerland, and these are still flowers. Stop harboring illusions about a happy life with the arrival of smart capitalists.
    5. Revival
      Revival 16 October 2020 12: 41 New
      +3
      Hmm ...
      So vividly describe poverty and self-indifference and prays at the same time to those who created such bestial conditions!
      I have no more questions ...
    6. Kochegarkin
      Kochegarkin 16 October 2020 13: 52 New
      +4
      Quote: Revival
      and prays at the same time to those who created

      who said i'm praying! ???
      Well, why is everyone guessing and talking for me! ??? The problem is that you all do not hear and do not listen to your opponents !!!! How can I come to an agreement with you and negotiate when you hear no one except yourself ???????????
      I did not say that I am for Putin, or those who are now in power ... I do not support the current government, but I am against coups and drastic political changes. How can you not understand elementary things.
      Well, let's imagine that now we have taken the subsoil from a private owner. He gave you the tower (to the state), fired the workers, and broke contracts with consumers. People sat at home and sit without work, money and food - and this time. To restore the operability of any enterprise requires a large investment. and time. During this time, the consumer will find another supplier, and if he does not find it, it will also close. The equipment will be idle and will need to be restored and repaired to start. And this, again, is money and repairs, and these are new contracts with suppliers, new workers, possibly old ones, but on new terms. And the suppliers also closed, they had no work, they were sharpened for this tower. And this means imported parts - money over the hill, which must be spent on repairs, salaries and restoration. Meanwhile, the workers sitting at home go to hunger riots, and after 2-3 months of your new economic policies, you get strikes and strikes, and Khabarovsk and Bolotnaya will seem like flowers to you.
      The second option - you nationalized the plant, but the owner does not want to leave, and through simple, and not big manipulations with the salary of workers (do not forget - you have not yet had time to earn money at the plant in order to give out wages) raises the workers to the strike - and what in the result? the same food riot. Refuses to transfer control to new owners - the state, and the security service is put into a state of war, and this is already a civil war (you will not nationalize the plant alone).

      The tritium option is a change of power through a coup. The new ruler, even Vasya Pupkin, came and drove VVP. He removed all his ministers, deputies, etc. He put new ones, and no one wants to obey the new ones. The heads of the districts (or whatever they have) send the Minister of the Ministry of Internal Affairs on a long erotic journey, they don't want to leave their jobs, they sneeze for salary, they don't go to work for money. Those banks can live without the Central Bank for a couple of months, and then, without repaying the loan, close and go on a long journey, but not an erotic one, but a resort one, in Spain the villa has long been bought. On TV everyone is shouting what Vasya is a dictator, because no one is introducing censorship in the country, and if Vasya does, the prosecutors will refuse to initiate cases, and the judges will refuse to pass the necessary sentences. And what will Vasya do? But what - with a small number of people who support him, radically inclined, to establish a new order. With whom, mind you, some part of the population will not agree - and this is my friend already CIVIL WAR. And to say that I take an example from Ukraine is not worth it. I take an example from the Russian Empire of 1917. Study thoroughly the process of the formation of Soviet power and you will understand that there is some truth in my words.

      Which of the 3 options do you offer me? I am against all three.
      Please note that I consider the USSR the best country in the world, the fairest state and I want its full return, even with the Baltic states. But there is one problem - I will not go to support any revolutionary who will offer me anything if I don’t trust him ... but I stopped trusting myself ...


      Answer me to my question, or suggest your own scenario for the change of power.
    7. Revival
      Revival 16 October 2020 15: 14 New
      +1
      "He gave you the tower (to the state), fired workers, broke contracts with consumers. People sat at home and sit without work, money ...".

      What a flawed message, why the same people will not be able to work on the same tower that was returned so that it would not work?
    8. Kochegarkin
      Kochegarkin 16 October 2020 15: 31 New
      0
      Do you have an idea of ​​what an enterprise is? How much internal documentation is constantly circulating within one small organization? Or do you think that everything happens just overnight, by magic? Agreements, name, registration, bank details, contracts, training, certification - all this takes a lot of time.
      God forbid you have a significant voice in solving economic issues ...
      You, if he comes to power, notify me ... on hry before death ... I don’t want to live with such specialists.
    9. Revival
      Revival 16 October 2020 15: 34 New
      +3
      That is, when the owner changes, all factories and enterprises collapse for a year chtoli?
    10. Kochegarkin
      Kochegarkin 16 October 2020 15: 36 New
      0
      with a normal change of ownership, this does not happen, the undertaking does not fall
      the process lasts more than one month, and sometimes more than one year ...
      are you surprised by this? Have you never worked for a large enterprise during the change of ownership? normal and not normal change of ownership, I mean ...
      You pardon what moon fell from? (joke)
    11. Revival
      Revival 16 October 2020 16: 00 New
      +1
      And what prevents to carry out the process in the same way in this case?
      Giving owner? Invincible and immortal?
    12. Kochegarkin
      Kochegarkin 16 October 2020 16: 02 New
      0
      you have a change of power ... and not a sale / purchase ... or do you propose, when the power is changed, everyone should live within the law ... I will support this good idea of ​​yours, but those who have power will not agree with you, or have you forgotten the raider seizure of enterprises in the Russian Federation?
  • your1970
    your1970 16 October 2020 23: 01 New
    0
    Quote: Revival
    "He gave you the tower (to the state), fired workers, broke contracts with consumers. People sat at home and sit without work, money ...".
    What a flawed message, why the same people will not be able to work on the same tower that was returned so that it would not work?

    learn history, all this has already happened ..
    first in 1918 - when "war communism" began due to the collapse of economic ties within the country
    then in 1992-93 - for the same reasons - the new owners of the Soviet industry lost trade and economic ties
    both in 1918 and in 1993 - barter reigned .. remember 1993?
  • Revival
    Revival 16 October 2020 15: 19 New
    0
    Yes, according to your logic, the peasants should have remained a "half-person" in the Republic of Ingushetia, and that something else did not work out.
    No one ever gives anything to anyone so easily
  • Kochegarkin
    Kochegarkin 16 October 2020 15: 34 New
    0
    Quote: Revival
    and should have remained a "half-person" in RI

    don't understand your message?
    Generally a peasant. until the 27th year, the year of the end of the NEP, and remained a half-person in young Soviet Russia ... only after nationalization and collective farms (damn it, I invented the same word) ... the formation of collective peasant farms and dispossession of kulaks, the peasants gained weight and the right to vote ...
  • Revival
    Revival 16 October 2020 15: 57 New
    +2
    And it turns out that you had to sit quietly in the presence of the king in order to remain so forever?
  • Kochegarkin
    Kochegarkin 16 October 2020 16: 00 New
    -2
    at 17, I wouldn't know which one to grab ... both the Tsar and the Duma ... and then there's the provisional government ...
    the result was October ...
    But personally you, on whose side would you be in the 17th? on the side of the Sovereign Emperor, the State Duma (it seems that it was called), Kerensky or the AUCPB?
  • Revival
    Revival 16 October 2020 16: 05 New
    +2
    On the side of the king?
    It certainly wouldn't be!
    Kerensky also passed by, he gave everything to foreigners.
  • Kochegarkin
    Kochegarkin 16 October 2020 16: 51 New
    0
    and the Bolsheviks destroyed the army ...
    and they destroyed the empire at first, Ukraine was under the Poles and the Germans, Finland in general left with the ends, like the Baltic states ... the Entente landed on the shores of the Pacific Ocean ...
    the mess was not frail ...
    and again, after centuries it is easy to judge, and not knowing the result ... how to make the right choice ...
  • Sanichsan
    Sanichsan 17 October 2020 13: 15 New
    -1
    that is, cadets or essiers?
  • Sanichsan
    Sanichsan 17 October 2020 13: 10 New
    -1
    Quote: Revival
    And it turns out that you had to sit quietly in the presence of the king in order to remain so forever?

    no, it’s a fair amount of nonsense coming out of you.
    in 1917 there was a gigantic, completely powerless part of the population. who and with whom do you think will be fighting in Russia now. no need for abstractions like "people" and "olegarchs", let's be specific. what strata of the population and why will they begin to overthrow the current government? managers to change from office work to selling on the street with the latest pants like in the 90s? maybe workers? Yes, there were cases when the owner of the enterprise managed to bring the workers to a riot, but I don’t remember that in such disputes the "bloody redhead" took the side of the entrepreneur. maybe the peasants who now have land and equipment? Why should they get involved in an adventure when they already have land and effective means of cultivating it, and even preferences, all from the same "bloody redhead." the worst thing for the bartsuns is that if some groups of the population begin to speak out loudly about their problems, then the vile "bloody redhead" begins to solve these problems request insidiously do not allow to bring to a riot.
    who stayed there? true proletarians - homeless people and alcoholics? seems to be a good support, but even they are mostly satisfied with the existing way of life request
    oh yes, there are professional fighters with the redhead ... but this is such an insignificant minority without the support of the masses that there is nothing to talk about request
  • Sanichsan
    Sanichsan 17 October 2020 12: 51 New
    -1
    Quote: The Stoker
    nationalization and kolkhozonization (damn, that's the same word I invented).

    probably collectivization is simpler and actually about wink
  • Kochegarkin
    Kochegarkin 16 October 2020 15: 01 New
    -1
    And also - a change of power, often accompanied by violence, brutal repression and suppression of those who disagree ... and you, as I understand it, are against cruelty and suppression?
    so how to be?
    why do you give the right to some and take away this right from others?
  • Revival
    Revival 16 October 2020 15: 44 New
    +1
    I am not taking anything from anyone.
    I am against hypocrisy.
    Suppress suppress, but do not complain later, and do not cover up hypocritically.
    The one who suppressed is right, this cannot be changed in the world.
    And not so, some beat it right, while others if they answer a priori badly.
  • Kochegarkin
    Kochegarkin 16 October 2020 15: 57 New
    0
    Are you intentionally not reading my answers or listening to my arguments?
    The government has the right to suppress riots !!!
    The people gave her this right.
    Part of the people, as a rule, a smaller part of the people go out to riots. power protects most of the people.
    Damn what's going on in your heads
  • Revival
    Revival 16 October 2020 16: 02 New
    +2
    The usurper of power who seized power is no longer the "power" to which the people have entrusted something there
  • Kochegarkin
    Kochegarkin 16 October 2020 16: 14 New
    -1
    Quote: Revival
    seized power, this is not the same "power"

    yeah ... so we got to an interesting question ...
    who determines power? who determines its legitimacy? who is the power in the state?
    well, you, as a true democrat (and this is not sarcasm) say - PEOPLE, and I agree with you.
    The people, at the plebiscite, determine their future path, giving preference to that. or another candidate.

    Now we put the question in the pose "siu" - who are the candidates?
    Whom do we, and Belarusians as well, see in the list of candidates? Dig into these lists, and you will meet anyone there - businessmen, heads of large farms, bloggers, forgive me ... God ... these ... like them .. SOBCHAK, in short, business ambuts ... but who are you not there you will see - rightly ... You personally, and you in general, will not meet a representative of the people, but in this sense, I refer to the people as workers and peasants. None of the candidates is a representative of the people ... that's why they vote for Lukashenko and for Putin, not because they are bad, because the rest (the correct word is cut out by the auto-moderator - let's put it another way - the waste of mammals) ... I believe in 80% But father, and 146% of GDP, I am from the people, I vote like this ...
    Well, the rest, the rest of the answers to your promises, I gave earlier, and about the usurpation of power not to the rulers of states. The right questions are - what was the method of initial capital accumulation of modern businessmen ...
    I know one here ... I slaughtered a herd of 400 heads in 2 nights ... as Borka said, "take the power as much as you want," so they took it ... there was a collective farm and there is none ... in 2 nights the herd was cut out, and for the car park was sold out for a week ...
    I can also tell you about the plant, for how much it was handed over for scrap ...
    and these are bitter examples of the change of power ...
  • Revival
    Revival 16 October 2020 18: 07 New
    0
    "I know one here ... I slaughtered a herd of 400 heads in 2 nights ... as Borka said," take the power as much as you want, "so they took it ... there was a collective farm and there is none ... in 2 nights the herd was slaughtered, and the car park was sold out in a week ...
    about the plant I can tell you how much it was handed over for scrap ... ".

    Yes, and the highest measure that disappeared for such actions?
  • Sanichsan
    Sanichsan 17 October 2020 13: 54 New
    -1
    Quote: The Stoker
    You, as a true democrat (and this is not sarcasm) say - PEOPLE, and I agree with you.
    The people, at the plebiscite, determine their future path, giving preference to that. or another candidate.

    I'll confuse you a little, but how do you define a PEOPLE or not a PEOPLE? if the power is not the people? what is it, "the dragon is dead, long live the new dragon!"?
    or maybe in monetary terms? a lot of money - not a PEOPLE, little money - a PEOPLE?
    there is a seller and there is a buyer, which of them is a PEOPLE? their interests are pretty different ...
    Quote: The Stoker
    Whom do we, and Belarusians as well, see in the list of candidates? Dig into these lists, and you will meet anyone there - businessmen, heads of large farms, bloggers, forgive me ... God ... these ... like them .. SOBCHAK in short, business ambutsmen ... but who are you not there you will see - rightly ... You personally, and you in general, will not meet a representative of the people, but in this sense, I refer to the people as workers and peasants.

    uuu ... you are climbing into a terrible swamp, friend! yes
    what are elections? in theory, this is when the best is chosen from several candidates. and who is the best? the cleverest? the most economic? the most competent? of course not! the winner is the one with the best campaign headquarters. whose headquarters studied better at the institute, is better acquainted with conducting PR campaigns, is better acquainted with mass management and public speaking, he will win. You can take offense as much as you like that we are a herd, but in fact, the management of the PEOPLE has long been put on a scientific basis. all this skill and knowledge costs a lot of money, and big money is not for peasants and workers request
    at the same time, the vile "bloody redhead" is again committing deceit and launching the state program for training managers "leaders of Russia." kind of free, and there is no qualification ... but are there many peasants and workers there? cheto not very much. and why? will you go to this program? quit your job for this? I asked myself this question and I don't really want to. I should be more comfortable as a programmer ...
    that's how it comes out request
    By the way, let's say a peasant or a worker enters this program, successfully wins competitions and becomes one of the leaders of Russia. is he already in power, is he still a PEOPLE or no longer? I'm not just asking. this was the problem the Bolsheviks had with the proletarians. they taught the workers, they became educated, passed from the proletariat to the stratum of the working intelligentsia and said, "You know, everything seems to be fine with us, you, with this equality of yours, have somehow become universal without me. I am now better with the Socialist-Revolutionaries. Their ideas are for me. somehow closer "
  • Sanichsan
    Sanichsan 17 October 2020 13: 17 New
    -1
    Quote: Revival
    The usurper of power who seized power is no longer the "power" to which the people have entrusted something there

    hmmm ... are you talking about Khrushchev? wassat
  • Revival
    Revival 17 October 2020 14: 36 New
    +2
    And what about Khrushchev's sacred cow?
    The pest is mostly
  • Sanichsan
    Sanichsan 17 October 2020 14: 39 New
    0
    Quote: Revival
    The pest is mostly

    agree soldier
  • pro100y.belarus
    pro100y.belarus 16 October 2020 13: 20 New
    0
    Quote: The Stoker
    I AM AGAINST THE CHANGE OF POWER !!!

    Well, don't change it! LIVE AS YOU WANT!
    Just do not meddle with your charter in a strange monastery.
    And you don't need to tell me how they live in Poland. In Grodno, all rich people are somehow connected with Poland, more than one big business has been built on smuggling, whole cottage villages have grown, and many residents of Western Belarus work there and bring money from there. When the Poles were given visa-free travel, they went here in droves and developed a tourism business. So I know firsthand how people live in Poland.
    They live RICHER and FREERER than us.
    And I, unlike you, see it not on TV, but LIVE.
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  • Revival
    Revival 16 October 2020 15: 46 New
    0
    is building !?
    Sure?
  • Kochegarkin
    Kochegarkin 16 October 2020 16: 27 New
    -1
    Pancake!!! I'm already starting to boil from you ...
    what a stubborn opponent you got ... but it's good, the truth is born in the dispute ... sorry you don't hear everything ...
    but this is also fixable ... no - permissible
    Quote: Revival
    is building !?


    but to this question I cannot answer you unambiguously and monosyllabically.
    For me, it builds, some kind of crap, but builds ... many large companies with a controlling stake in the state, and not just a controlling one, even with a blocking control, but these enterprises have long been privatized. And they are already working and building something ...
    on the other hand, enterprises are being cut. and in Moscow, more than 12% of the population of the Russian Federation already lives, and even more work ... in general, no one thinks that this is an ideal target ...
    The Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Ministry of Defense receive good salaries ... although the deputies are not in comparison higher, and the life-long right to a high pension ...
    on the other hand, not to interfere in the internal microeconomic process - regulation of incomes of the working population, adjusting pricing policy - the path to hunger riots ...

    so it builds - but such a dull substance turns out. but I have already said this. and you asked again
  • Revival
    Revival 16 October 2020 18: 11 New
    0
    The main thing is not how they are called state enterprises or not state, the main thing is that the profit does not go into one pocket of the private trader, and the cover of the state name is empty
  • Sanichsan
    Sanichsan 17 October 2020 14: 18 New
    0
    Quote: The Stoker
    and in Moscow, more than 12% of the population of the Russian Federation already lives, and even more work ... in general, no one thinks that this is an ideal target ...

    excuse me for being meticulous, but where can this 12% be? in the town where the plant was sold? Or on a collective farm where the herd was cut out in 2 days? in my opinion it is logical that people are there where there is something to do and there is work. request do you think it is so easy to organize the distribution of the population? Won China has built entire cities as part of the resettlement program, so what? there are empty cities with complete infrastructure, and people cannot be ripped off the coast. even in the PRC. sit on 3 square meters per person in Hong Kong because there is warmth and the sea.
  • pro100y.belarus
    pro100y.belarus 16 October 2020 17: 05 New
    +4
    [quote = Kochegarkin] The Republic of Bashkortostan will not live better after you demolish Old Man ... he won’t ... even hit the wall ... how you don’t want to understand basic things .... you cannot quickly build the best by breaking the good .. The Russian Federation has been building for 30 years what was destroyed 40 years ago, and it will not work even 1/4 of what was in the RSFSR under the USSR
    You already zadolbali your USSR. Already modern people have NO nostalgia about the USSR. The train left. A new generation has grown up, which did not know the decaying empire with old senile people.
    For this generation, Lukashenka is a collective farm mastodon, out of his mind, every day giving out pearls from which ears wither, a rude, uncouth boor and a sadist. Brezhnev is a cutie in his background.
    Lukashenka's time is over, the nation has grown and requires an appropriate politician.
    Understand - Lukashenka spit on people, spit on everything and everyone. He needs POWER, whatever the cost. And in this maniacal desire of his, he will plunge the country into an abyss even greater than any new president.
    And you are very much mistaken that Lukashenka is a pro-Russian politician. And if he remains in power, you will be convinced of this very soon.
  • your1970
    your1970 16 October 2020 23: 10 New
    0
    Quote: pro100y.belarus
    NO already in modern people nostalgia about the USSR.

    Quote: pro100y.belarus
    contact a trade union to somehow compensate for the cost tours without a hole in the family budget.
    THIS IS NORMAL?
    -no nostalgia, but you turned to absolutely SOVIET trade union. The capitalist union would give you .... but nifiga he would not give you !!!!! not a penny !!!!
    It is only in the Republic of Belarus that you can free of charge - that is, you can get a ticket for treatment from the trade union for free ...
  • Sanichsan
    Sanichsan 17 October 2020 14: 08 New
    0
    Quote: your1970
    -No nostalgia, but you applied to an absolutely SOVIET union.

    no, it's not him. I wrote it from the last shift. I didn't just say it wink
  • Sanichsan
    Sanichsan 17 October 2020 14: 10 New
    0
    blah blah blah, they're children ... request
  • Sanichsan
    Sanichsan 17 October 2020 14: 01 New
    0
    Quote: pro100y.belarus
    Well, don't change it! LIVE AS YOU WANT!
    Just do not meddle with your charter in a strange monastery.

    oh how! that is, we do not climb? and the Poles and Lithuanians to climb on the fact that a bunch of shny lichvinov in Belarus said so? and the rest do not care. they have cantrabass there and let everyone else die at least ...
    bummer guys! but you can be like Ukrainians and your Tikhanovskaya there, since you like it there. all is good! you already have a prezik there laughing
  • Olgovich
    Olgovich 16 October 2020 19: 21 New
    -3
    Quote: The Stoker
    I AM AGAINST THE CHANGE OF POWER !!! I don’t want to live worse, I understand that I’ll not live better, but after the state digression, I definitely will not be able to feed my family if I don’t go to crime, and no one is waiting for me there ...

    Have you thought about what will happen after Lukashenka is replaced by a light-cutlet, or someone else?

    Speak everything right, but it's all useless: these near-minded people need to crack with their BARNEL so that it comes to light that THEY are not the first beautiful and clever overthrowers, but there are neighbors - LOOK and UNDERSTAND - what kind of pu they got after their "victory. them, that he not only will not have help from the trade union (is that a beast like this in the CIS?) and certificates from doctors, but also a decent salary, as well as work.

    Overthrew the hated "thief" dictator, the youth of the Maidan in Moldova in 2009, achieved a victory and ... in full force went to the West, to spread their legs and wash the dust, because the NE thieves they brought, not only plundered everything, but also deprived them of the slightest opportunity to live and work / earn HOME. A THIRD of the population REMOVED from the Motherland and continues to flee.

    Well, let them crash too.
  • FOBOSS
    FOBOSS 16 October 2020 23: 26 New
    +1
    Look at the results of the Armenian Revolution. Within a year, the growth of GDP and household income.
  • FOBOSS
    FOBOSS 16 October 2020 23: 17 New
    +2
    Maybe I will answer you about the crappy business executive who did not allow the Belarusian economy to collapse. The entire Belarusian economic miracle rested on duty-free trade in Russian oil, money from which, along with money from Belaruskali, was successfully consumed, while the industry was slowly bent over as it worked for the Russian market, was under sanctions and could not have close cooperation with world giants because, that state property in Russia at this time was developing its import substitution. And when Russia introduced the tax maneuver, our strategist twirled his mustache, but nothing can be done about it. Harvesters are not needed by anyone, tractors have also ceased to be cheap. Collective farms need to be fed, and these are bottomless holes. The multi-vector approach is no longer saving. For example, about harvesters: under the USSR, they were produced 20 a year now 000 pieces. Belarus' GDP is now at the 200 level.
  • your1970
    your1970 16 October 2020 22: 54 New
    +1
    Quote: pro100y.belarus
    receiving a good salary, had to take certificates from doctors, contact a trade union, in order to somehow compensate for the cost of the tour without a hole in the family budget.
    -and you are so nefigi did not understand ... you have a reserve of the USSR -the union helped you..
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 15 October 2020 16: 58 New
    +3
    Quote: Anton S
    And I have to upset you, I am a Belarusian, not a SOROSOV FOOD.

    That is, you save him money by working for him for free.
  • Oprichnik
    Oprichnik 16 October 2020 01: 34 New
    +2
    So you Anton S. gave yourself away !!! All your complexes from fierce, petty, primitive ENVY. You and others like you are looking around, constantly comparing, drooling like a river - VON Tama is better, richer, more satisfying, prettier ... And they try to "dump" there at the first opportunity to suck on the trough. How many times have I heard mothers boast to each other: Mine lives in England ... And mine has already got a job in America (or, as an option, in Germany) Was in Germany and saw these "settled" as cleaners, clerks, dishwashers, prostitutes. And they were workers, teachers, employees, not taking out a pot from under the idiots with Alzheimer's.
  • Sanichsan
    Sanichsan 17 October 2020 12: 42 New
    -2
    Quote: Anton S
    And I have to upset you, I am a Belarusian, not a SOROSOV FOOD.

    What is it like? in Belarus there are two groups, the main part of the population that does not bustle, supports Lukashenka or are neutral towards him, and the second group, as you put it, "Soros fosterlings" who are wrapped in Natsik flags, bustle. something I have not heard about some third force ...
  • Anton S
    Anton S 17 October 2020 14: 16 New
    +2
    [/ Quote]
    Quote: SanichSan
    [quote = Anton S] And I have to upset you, I am Belarusian, not SOROSOVSKY FOOD.

    What is it like? in Belarus there are two groups, the main part of the population that does not bustle, supports Lukashenka or are neutral towards him, and the second group, as you put it, "Soros fosterlings" who are wrapped in Natsik flags, bustle. something I have not heard about some third force ...

    The main part is for Lukashenko)) stay in your fictional world. The main part is for Belarus without Lukashenko. It is difficult for some commentators to grasp this, but the reality is, alas.
  • Sanichsan
    Sanichsan 17 October 2020 14: 32 New
    -3
    facts, only facts. during the peak period, we managed to pull out about 100k to protests throughout the country. that's less than 10% of the population. in Minsk, about 30-40 thousand won at the peak were collected. there is a photo from the opposition, you can see there. They certainly try to talk about 500k, but to understand that they tryndyat you need to see 50k people in one place at least once. I have no problem with that. and all of them. won the Zenith arena for 64 thousand.
    Luka is not really a friend to us, Russia, but this white-red-white bastard is like enemies to us and to the entire Russian people, that is, the Maloros and the Great Russians.
  • Anton S
    Anton S 17 October 2020 14: 35 New
    +2
    Quote: SanichSan
    facts, only facts. during the peak period, we managed to pull out about 100k to protests throughout the country. that's less than 10% of the population. in Minsk, about 30-40 thousand won at the peak were collected. there is a photo from the opposition, you can see there. They certainly try to talk about 500k, but to understand that they tryndyat you need to see 50k people in one place at least once. I have no problem with that. and all of them. won the Zenith arena for 64 thousand.
    Luka is not really a friend to us, Russia, but this white-red-white bastard is like enemies to us and to the entire Russian people, that is, the Maloros and the Great Russians.

    See above: stay in your made-up world
  • Sanichsan
    Sanichsan 17 October 2020 14: 38 New
    -2
    it will be embarrassing if your world is invented, and not mine bully
  • Anton S
    Anton S 17 October 2020 14: 43 New
    0
    Quote: SanichSan
    it will be embarrassing if your world is invented, and not mine bully

    We will see
  • Revival
    Revival 16 October 2020 12: 25 New
    +6
    “Most of the population sits at home and silently supports Lukashenko / Putin / Macron, etc. In other words, the majority are satisfied with their lives.
    The floor of Mother Russia lives on a salary just above the subsistence level. "

    Is everything OK? With adequacy ..
    Do you really think that when "Mother's sex in Russia lives on a salary just above the subsistence level," nothing needs to be changed in the country?
    Are you really ready to kiss the rulers' hands for a minimum of subsistence?
    Are you not a peasant from Tsarist Russia? If so, then you can simply not write to me, I simply have nothing to discuss with such a servile approach.
  • Kochegarkin
    Kochegarkin 16 October 2020 16: 45 New
    -1
    Quote: Revival
    do not need to change anything in the country?

    Do you know how to carry out a change of power without a revolution in modern Russia?
    I will kiss your feet if you can tell me how you can change the regime without money, otherwise I will personally take the revolver in my hands and ..... no, I will not ... I am not bloodthirsty ...
    Come on, you are here pouring "slavery" on everyone, but how do you differ from the majority - a businessman? So then you are from the opposite camp to me, and then I will not understand what to discuss with you. The pensioner is his own fault, in 91 it was necessary to keep the USSR, and in 85 Gorbachev not to support. Military - it's a sin for the military to complain. A simple hard worker - but tell me, hard worker, what have you done useful for your homeland, besides idle talk? I went to the polls, wrote my wishes to the deputy, handed over the drug dealer to the cops, bought food for the pensioner's grandmother during the quarantine period? ... excuse me, that sounded more beautiful ...
    and even knowing half of your answers to these questions, I will all repeat the question - WHAT DID YOU DO FOR THE REVOLUTION?
    It is necessary to change in the country, it is necessary ... everything needs to be changed ... the electoral system must be changed ... the party system must be changed ... the economic system must be changed .... everything must be changed
    there are enough smart people in all these areas who can painlessly rebuild everything, but who will give them. Power in modern Russia belongs to business. Business without a fight will give you and me nothing. Fights are blood and death - Are you ready to lay down your head in the battle for a brighter future? Will you find a couple of thousand more ideological ones? the same ... where to find them ... everyone is happy with their swamp ...
    by the way, you will need ideological ones, take me ... I'll grab a couple more ...
    only one thing - I have to believe you, but it's hard to arrange ...

    so - talk, do not roll bags (again, the auto-moderator does not skip the desired text)))
  • Machito
    Machito 15 October 2020 15: 06 New
    0
    Quote: Anton S
    "The law, representatives of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and other structures involved in the protection of law and order are granted the right, mind you - the exclusive right. To violence and the use of weapons" - ie. now you can blame people, and then say: excuse me, I have an exclusive right?
    "A normal person is busy raising children (and if they are not there, decides whether to appear), building a house, planting a tree, hunting a mammoth (earning money for food), he has no time to" overthrow an unwanted dictator. "- Everyone has their own understanding of normality, normal a person does not want to feel like a cattle in his country.

    If you feel like a cattle, maybe this is a natural feeling?
    Man sounds proudly. Better to die standing than live on your knees. I live like this and don't feel like a cattle. And anyone in the forehead charge, regardless of his position and social status, if he tries to oppress me.
    1. Essex62
      Essex62 15 October 2020 18: 01 New
      +2
      Here and krants will come, because "the government has the right to violence."
    2. Sanichsan
      Sanichsan 17 October 2020 15: 19 New
      +1
      Quote: Bearded
      Better to die standing than live on your knees. I live like this and don't feel like cattle.

      pff .. and those who are on their knees really count? there "non-workers" call themselves wassat Well, only here there are a few olegarchs, a little banks and loans, and over there Poland, work and lords, well, because it’s supposed to treat them like that .. but then they are non-workers! wassat
  • Revival
    Revival 15 October 2020 13: 14 New
    -1
    And so they have the right to shoot the disgruntled !?
    Just shoot and that's it, just in case !?
    Is it legitimate or not "well, this is the second question" !!!?
    1. Machito
      Machito 15 October 2020 15: 09 New
      +1
      Quote: Revival
      And so they have the right to shoot the disgruntled !?
      Just shoot and that's it, just in case !?
      Is it legitimate or not "well, this is the second question" !!!?

      And you go to the USA and look at the police there. He put his hand in his pocket - he got a bullet in the forehead, or even for nothing. And if the stone is Kinel, the whole family will be shot.
      1. Kochegarkin
        Kochegarkin 15 October 2020 15: 20 New
        +1
        Quote: Bearded
        And you go to the USA and look at the police there.

        double feeling from your comment ...

        on the one hand, yes. look at the countries that you all use as an example ...
        but on the other hand, one should not be equal to someone, one must understand that everything is good. good in moderation, but bad - immensely bad.

        I justified the actions of the authorities in the comments above, but I always do not like the "comparison" ...

        zs - but your comment anyway "plusanul"))
        (don't hit hard)
      2. Revival
        Revival 15 October 2020 16: 08 New
        +3
        Yeah, the fairy tale about the USA is outdated, we've seen enough this year on the cruelly kneeling, etc., change the record.
        And yes, in the USA, weapons can be legal in anyone's pocket, so when we get to such conditions then you will blame the USA
      3. Dart2027
        Dart2027 15 October 2020 17: 00 New
        +2
        Quote: Revival
        have seen enough this year at

        disassembly of the local elites. When they finish dividing power, then all these "standing" will end.
      4. Revival
        Revival 16 October 2020 00: 14 New
        0
        So again, not when and then and so on. And everyone has already seen, so your argument flies by ...
        I repeat again !! In the United States, weapons can be legal in anyone's pocket, so when we get to such conditions, then you will blame the United States.
        Otherwise, your argument is inadequate to the situation in principle.
        So clearer?
      5. Dart2027
        Dart2027 16 October 2020 06: 26 New
        0
        Quote: Revival
        So again, not when and then and so on. And everyone has already seen, so your argument flies by ...

        That is, the fact that for the first time in unknown years in the United States they are seriously sharing power for you?
        Quote: Revival
        in the united states, weapons can be legal in anyone's pocket

        not in all states. So your argument is inadequate to the situation in principle.
      6. Revival
        Revival 16 October 2020 12: 49 New
        +5
        Can you write something meaningful or are you taking the topic away?
        When we have all the conditions as in the usa, then you will refer to the usa.
        And then let's also refer to the fact that in Africa people wear T-shirts all year round, so they say we need ...
      7. Dart2027
        Dart2027 16 October 2020 15: 09 New
        0
        Quote: Revival
        Can you write something meaningful or are you taking the topic away?

        And you, except for the slogans obsolete 30 years ago, are not observed.
        Quote: Revival
        When we have all the conditions like in the usa

        That is, it is impossible to object.
      8. Revival
        Revival 16 October 2020 15: 26 New
        +3
        What is the objection that you are comparing different countries with different conditions, without considering the differences?
        I do not care what is there and how in the USA.
      9. Dart2027
        Dart2027 16 October 2020 16: 26 New
        -1
        Quote: Revival
        What is the objection that you are comparing different countries with different conditions, without considering the differences

        Which ones? You want democracy, but they are a model for all democrats.
      10. Revival
        Revival 16 October 2020 18: 08 New
        0
        I really don't know for whom the model is, and even direct in everything, in everything, for me there is
      11. Dart2027
        Dart2027 16 October 2020 20: 16 New
        -1
        Quote: Revival
        no for me

        So why are you tearing up your throat for her?
      12. Revival
        Revival 16 October 2020 22: 09 New
        +1
        Your lies!
        Give my comment where I tear your throat for the United States!
        Waiting for
      13. Dart2027
        Dart2027 17 October 2020 07: 26 New
        -1
        Quote: Revival
        where i tear my throat for the usa

        And you do not know who is behind each "color revolution"?
      14. Revival
        Revival 17 October 2020 12: 21 New
        +1
        Clear.
        You lied about me based on your conjectures
      15. Dart2027
        Dart2027 17 October 2020 13: 07 New
        -1
        Quote: Revival
        Clear.
        You

        wrote an inconvenient truth for a true revolutionary.
      16. Revival
        Revival 17 October 2020 14: 28 New
        +1
        You are just a Liar, you did not give evidence of my throat-tearing for the United States.
        Go away .. you can no longer write to me, I avoid communication with liars
      17. Dart2027
        Dart2027 17 October 2020 18: 00 New
        -1
        Quote: Revival
        You are just a Liar

        You are just a liar who tears your throat for the United States, but at the same time disguises yourself as a "patriot" of Belarus.
        Quote: Revival
        Go away ..

        Nobody keeps you here.
  • anykin
    anykin 15 October 2020 23: 33 New
    +1
    Quote: Revival
    seen enough this year on the brutally kneeling

    Didn't want to walk the streets of the United States at night?
  • Revival
    Revival 16 October 2020 00: 41 New
    +1
    Are you trying to divert the discussion aside with your commentary on the topic of the question?
    Is there anything to object to?
    No, apparently.
    My answer is symmetrical, do you like oat milk?
    Until..
  • Olgovich
    Olgovich 16 October 2020 08: 59 New
    +1
    Quote: Revival
    And so they were given the right to shoot dissatisfied!?

    belay Not "dissatisfied", but BREAKERS OF THE LAW (does the difference reach?): Those who throw to Molotov, yes, shoot.
    Those who stopped the total. transport-fine, plant (if the ambulance did not have time).

    And yes, in 2 months, already ... 3 thousand ADMINISTRATIVE cases (fines) and a total of 275 criminal cases (neapadenia, weapons, etc.)
    1. Revival
      Revival 16 October 2020 12: 51 New
      +3
      But why waste time on trifles, shoot at any violation of the law, lit a cigarette in the wrong place, get a bullet, well, a small inflection is just
  • Revival
    Revival 15 October 2020 13: 16 New
    -5
    Do you justify the Gestapo and the SS?
    The Germans did not have the right to be dissatisfied with the fascists, are they the legitimate authority?
    1. Kochegarkin
      Kochegarkin 15 October 2020 14: 45 New
      +4
      Quote: Revival
      Do you justify the Gestapo and the SS?

      That is, you put the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Republic of Belarus on a par with the Nazis? First, you will study the definition of the word "fascism" ...

      and - YES, I believe that law enforcement agencies have the right to suppress rallies against the current government by all available means, otherwise anarchy will ensue in the state (unless, of course, you think that ANARCHY IS THE MOTHER OF ORDER)
      The state is the form of management of territories and population chosen by society. The basis of any state is the law, this state, I'm not talking about the fundamental foundations, they are already clear to everyone. So - the law and its observance, put the organization of society one step higher than the crowd. Even in a pack of wolves, there are no written rules.
      What a state. by means of separately identified and specially trained people defends itself - speaks of the strength of the state.
      And if it were not for the "37th" year in the USSR, it is not a fact that today, instead of "democracy", there would not be "fascism as an ideal form of government." History does not tolerate the subjunctive mood, but at one time the fight against "English" spies in Russia was carried out much tougher than today BATKA "plays with the opposition." And the fact that Alexander Grigorievich is "playing", I can clearly see, in his place I would still have shot a couple of especially zealous ones. And he then lets go of the Svetka-cutlet abroad, then he goes to the convicts in the pre-trial detention center, a booth, by God.
      You don’t want to understand that. man is by nature greedy, stupid and lazy. In order for a person to start working, he must be forced, the method of compulsion has long been known - hunger. But with the development of civilization, they decided to abandon the effective means - hunger, and apply a less effective but more humane - envy. Not at all has been affected lately. We have to resort to more effective, hunger, cudgel, stick, and sometimes carrot.
      Did you manage the team? Which methods are more effective? Individually or in different variations?
      Here I am about the same ...
      1. Revival
        Revival 15 October 2020 15: 57 New
        -1
        The state, if it wants to be called such, has no right to break the law under any circumstances !!!
        And you are for it to have the right, they say, when necessary! This is terror! Terror is illegal
      2. Kochegarkin
        Kochegarkin 15 October 2020 16: 19 New
        +5
        When did they break the law? When did you use a weapon against a lawbreaker? So, according to the law, it is they, and the state in their person, to use weapons in the event ... and there is a long list.
        Are you a lawyer? A lawyer with knowledge of the laws of the Republic of Belarus? Do you have sufficient evidence base to allow you to bring charges in any instance?
        I think, or rather - I'm sure you don't, otherwise you wouldn't have written here in the comments, but would have earned money on Lukashenka's "blunders" by filing lawsuits in international courts ... to which the Republic of Belarus (international courts) - did not care, and is doing the right thing , and it is time for the Russian Federation to spit on the human rights court and similar instances from the same height, and also to introduce censorship and an article for parasitism ... as in Belarus
      3. Revival
        Revival 15 October 2020 16: 21 New
        +1
        Use weapons when going to a rally !?
        As long as there is no violent action, this is illegal!
        Or is it just law for you to make an employee shoot for going to a rally ?!
      4. Revival
        Revival 15 October 2020 16: 23 New
        +3
        That is, according to you, for any violator of the law, you can immediately use a weapon, went to piss in a public place and get a bullet?
      5. anykin
        anykin 15 October 2020 23: 38 New
        0
        Please link to a clear video. It will be more convincing.
      6. Revival
        Revival 16 October 2020 00: 49 New
        -2
        If this is you for me, then the drain is protected, if not, then I'm sorry to bother you
  • Garris199
    Garris199 16 October 2020 13: 11 New
    +3
    And what about the usurpation of power? Falsification of elections is the gravest crime. The people endured, endured, for decades they went to the “Lukashenka’s Election”, but obviously tired. People want change.
  • Revival
    Revival 15 October 2020 16: 04 New
    +1
    You don’t pretend that you didn’t understand that I’m not talking about fascism, but about your approach, that it’s legitimate to say everything that the government does by default, even though it’s against what is written in the law, they say it’s time to understand this. This is what terror is, and terror is always illegal, especially if it is not prescribed by law.
  • cmax
    cmax 15 October 2020 19: 11 New
    +2
    Quote: The Stoker
    Quote: Revival
    Do you justify the Gestapo and the SS?

    That is, you put the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Republic of Belarus on a par with the Nazis? First, you will study the definition of the word "fascism" ...

    and - YES, I believe that law enforcement agencies have the right to suppress rallies against the current government by all available means, otherwise anarchy will ensue in the state (unless, of course, you think that ANARCHY IS THE MOTHER OF ORDER)
    The state is the form of management of territories and population chosen by society. The basis of any state is the law, this state, I'm not talking about the fundamental foundations, they are already clear to everyone. So - the law and its observance, put the organization of society one step higher than the crowd. Even in a pack of wolves, there are no written rules.
    What a state. by means of separately identified and specially trained people defends itself - speaks of the strength of the state.
    And if it were not for the "37th" year in the USSR, it is not a fact that today, instead of "democracy", there would not be "fascism as an ideal form of government." History does not tolerate the subjunctive mood, but at one time the fight against "English" spies in Russia was carried out much tougher than today BATKA "plays with the opposition." And the fact that Alexander Grigorievich is "playing", I can clearly see, in his place I would still have shot a couple of especially zealous ones. And he then lets go of the Svetka-cutlet abroad, then he goes to the convicts in the pre-trial detention center, a booth, by God.
    You don’t want to understand that. man is by nature greedy, stupid and lazy. In order for a person to start working, he must be forced, the method of compulsion has long been known - hunger. But with the development of civilization, they decided to abandon the effective means - hunger, and apply a less effective but more humane - envy. Not at all has been affected lately. We have to resort to more effective, hunger, cudgel, stick, and sometimes carrot.
    Did you manage the team? Which methods are more effective? Individually or in different variations?
    Here I am about the same ...

    Delirium of a stoned man. The law does not work in Belarus! Thousands of people have been beaten, not a single criminal case has been opened. The prosecutor's office sees no violations. In my family, my wife is already seething, I can barely hold back, I myself have never gone anywhere to a demonstration, I tried to be neutral, but soon I will also go out with everyone. Seeing this chaos on the street from the authorities and the police. In Belarus, she, the police, is already called the Gestapo. So there is nothing to be surprised at by the word of the Gestapo. Have people like you, your favorite hero -gos. Soloviev with his talk show. Therefore, you have your own understanding of events in Belarus. And for the majority of Belarusians, he is no longer the president, no matter how hard he tries to puff. Inadequate. And yes, I do not get money from Soros and I don’t like Nekhta, but I don’t like Lukashenka and his power anymore. Is this clear. If you will, please, find the time and go to www.tut.by. See what is really in Belarus. Although this will not help you, rinse everything with stamps.
  • Kochegarkin
    Kochegarkin 16 October 2020 08: 27 New
    -2
    I'll tell you this - I have already gone through the 90s in the Russian Federation, you will have to ...
    good luck .... to you, in this not an easy matter, then just do not complain - "how good it was for you. and we didn’t value fools."
  • cmax
    cmax 16 October 2020 11: 53 New
    +4
    Quote: The Stoker
    I'll tell you this - I have already gone through the 90s in the Russian Federation, you will have to ...
    good luck .... to you, in this not an easy matter, then just do not complain - "how good it was for you. and we didn’t value fools."

    Actually, I am 62 years old and I lived through 90 years together with you. I remember coupons and everything else. He worked as a mechanic on the construction of gas pipelines at Kazymtruboprovodstroy, Beloyarskiy, Khanty-Mansiysk. ed. Therefore, I think after the current sultanate and the absolute, uncontrolled, boorish power in Belarus will not be worse.
  • Kochegarkin
    Kochegarkin 16 October 2020 14: 03 New
    -1
    Oh well...
    Your words, yes to God in the ears ...
  • Terrible GMO
    Terrible GMO 16 October 2020 01: 12 New
    -4
    Quote: The Stoker
    That is, you put the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Republic of Belarus on a par with the Nazis?

    They have already surpassed them.
  • My doctor
    My doctor 15 October 2020 21: 39 New
    +6
    Quote: The Stoker
    Protesters are trying to overthrow the government on not quite legal grounds

    You have no idea how much you are right. In the republic, such a situation, all actions of the authorities are a priori legal, that does not come from the authorities, it is illegal, including all elements of civil society.
    If on business, then everything was started before the elections. Signatures for the nomination of the Arab League were collected at enterprises by the authorities (this is a witness), at the same time, monstrously stupid provocations were arranged for the appointing. It was very funny when the signatures for Tsepkalo were recognized as invalid, but there were no questions to other candidates, whose names even now are known by 100 people throughout the republic (I am exaggerating, but I really do not know their names or those who know their names). How to believe in elections when members of the electoral committee at all levels were nominated by the authorities? Perhaps this is normal, but it is certainly not normal when observers are appointed by the same authority. Sense then from observers?
    For the sake of objectivity, I must say that I myself do not fully understand the direction of the authorities' actions. Here's an example - why immediately dispose of ballots when you could just print with a margin and mark where you need to.
    Quote: The Stoker
    A normal person is busy raising children (and if they are not there, he decides whether to appear), building a house, planting a tree, hunting a mammoth (earning money for food), he has no time to "overthrow an unwanted dictator."

    No questions. But here is a completely different conversation. Those who come out with protests discredit the very idea.
    1. Revival
      Revival 16 October 2020 00: 45 New
      +1
      Good night!
      Could you expand your thought, otherwise two hours of commentary come into dissonance.
      It turns out there are violations, that is, a priori it is necessary / possible to leave, but they do not come out like that?
      But as?
      PS
      Although I also think that they do not come out so, but the nuances are still possible
      1. My doctor
        My doctor 16 October 2020 18: 01 New
        +1
        My opinion. There is no identity between power and legality. The very actions of the ruler can be assessed for legality, and not be an unconditional law. Change of power legally first of all, it needs it to maintain its legitimacy.
        Protests are meaningless because they are an expression of their disagreement on any issue of those who come to them, but in this case there are elections. And if the authorities ignored the votes in the elections, then they are all the more not interested in the opinion of those who protested.
        Personally, I consider rallies as an instrument of informing the government about what worries the protesters in the political life of the country and nothing more.
      2. Sanichsan
        Sanichsan 17 October 2020 15: 48 New
        +1
        Quote: MyVrach
        The change of power in a legal way is first of all necessary for it to maintain its legitimacy.

        what for? in the sense of show mas go is he? olegarchs should change their henchmen once every, for example, 5 years so that what? so that people believe that something decides? laughing
      3. My doctor
        My doctor 17 October 2020 18: 43 New
        +1
        Quote: SanichSan
        what for? in the sense of show mas go is he? olegarchs should change their henchmen once every, for example, 5 years so that what? so that people believe that something decides? laughing

        Naturally. I'll say it very primitively. The legitimacy of the elected government is selectivity, hereditary power is heredity, dictatorship is a dictatorship based on force, etc., etc.
        And don't go to sky-high peaks, at least not with my mind wassat
        And even more so to discuss the works of economist Mark Satterthwaite and philosopher Alan Gibbard about the fact that if the process is not dictatorial, then there is the possibility of manipulation. Moreover, I have not even read them.
  • Terrible GMO
    Terrible GMO 16 October 2020 01: 13 New
    +1
    Quote: MyVrach
    Here's an example - why immediately dispose of ballots when you could just print with a margin and mark where you need to.

    They should be stored for six months.
  • Oprichnik
    Oprichnik 16 October 2020 01: 22 New
    -6
    Kochegarkin - respect. I said correctly, only now I am afraid and even sure that logic and facts will not reach the democrats. There is a dam or blockage in the brain ...
  • begemot20091
    begemot20091 19 October 2020 22: 46 New
    -3
    little shot. it was necessary through one. Americans do not chick: raised his hand to a policeman, get a bullet. And from thirty meters from a pistol? ... Well done policeman. Nefig to look at idiots. Retain and ... Clean barns. Belarusian milk is in great demand.
  • AK1972
    AK1972 15 October 2020 12: 12 New
    -1
    Quote: Olgovich
    And millions of voters stand for Lukashenka, and these silent FOR have the RIGHT to vote no less than those who shout AGAINST.

    There was no need to falsify the results, to draw 85%, in which even those who voted FOR do not believe. I would draw 60 percent and everything would be quiet. Even the 2nd round would have been the best decision, in principle, my father could have won it honestly, because his opponents were frankly weak, it was very stupid to plant them, with this he personally strengthened their positions. Now, thanks to the cops, he has lost the support that he had and any move that he makes leads to a loss of position, and a legal dispute in a pre-trial detention center is an unprecedented masterpiece. I don’t undertake to predict what will happen next, but clearly nothing good. Grigorich in zugzwang.
    1. Anton S
      Anton S 15 October 2020 12: 19 New
      0
      I would not have won either the first or the second. They voted not for Tikhanovskaya, but against Lukashenka.
    2. Olgovich
      Olgovich 15 October 2020 13: 10 New
      -1
      Quote: AK1972
      There was no need to falsify the results, draw yourself 85%,

      By whom installed and PROVED falsifications?

      ANYONE and NOTHING: neither the courts, nor the CEC, nor the Parliament, nor anyone.

      Give mass appeals to the COURTS about violations. Shaw, dumb? And sho so?

      In 2009 in Moldova due to "massive apparent proven falsifications" elections held by the long-term "dictator" were held by the victorious Maidan.

      Know, then, NOT a SINGLE proof, court decisions on "falsifications" the fighters-winners for "fair elections" over the past 11 years have NOT Brought! But the train had already left, the Maidan fought ...

      But the fact that he was doing with the elections THEMSELVES for 11 years is incomprehensible to the mind from impudent manipulation, stuffing, corruption, removal of competitors and other abomination.
      1. Beringovsky
        Beringovsky 15 October 2020 13: 47 New
        +4
        In the USSR, 99% voted for the communists. And if you are in doubt about the numbers, then I will answer like this
        Quote: Olgovich

        By whom installed and PROVED falsifications?

        ANYONE and NOTHING

        For
        Quote: Olgovich

        Give mass appeals to the COURTS about violations. Shaw, dumb? And sho so?
      2. Revival
        Revival 15 October 2020 14: 00 New
        +2
        Do you want the Cyc to prove himself !?
      3. AK1972
        AK1972 15 October 2020 15: 47 New
        -3
        Quote: Olgovich
        Who installed and PROVED falsifications?

        ANYONE and NOTHING: neither the courts, nor the CEC, nor the Parliament, nor anyone.

        Do you often visit Belarus and communicate with Belarusians? I am often. I live near the border and I know the situation better than you, looking from Chisinau. You will soon have the same thing, and then I will demand proof from you.
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 16 October 2020 08: 43 New
          -1
          Quote: AK1972
          Do you often visit Belarus and communicate with Belarusians? I am often. I live near the border and I know the situation better than you, looking from Chisinau. ...

          I don't care about your fake "knowledge".

          We, too, knew everything "for certain". NO ONE, do you hear, NO ONE evidence of falsification, in the end, NO.
          You will soon have the same thing and then I will demand proof from you

          So the same western creatures, but already in Chisinau they are ALREADY shouting about FUTURE "only falsifications", as a fact and ALREADY call for protests against "dishonest" elections, blackmail with Maidan and pogroms, if they do not win.

          And they are supported from the West: the leader of the Merkel party DIRECTLY addressed the citizens of Moldova with a threat-appeal to vote for the Western creature.

          So there is no need to tell fables.
          1. AK1972
            AK1972 16 October 2020 12: 32 New
            +3
            Quote: Olgovich
            I don't care about your fake "knowledge".

            I am also indifferent to your genuine ignorance.
            I know about fraudulent elections in the Russian Federation not by hearsay, you participated in the elections as a member and chairman of the PEC, a member of the TEC. I saw everything and the merry-go-rounds and stuffing (he himself repeatedly received offers) and deliveries of voters, and a glass of prize money for drunks. Complaints to the TECs are received regularly and they are considered, but by the majority of votes (United Russia and their allies), the facts of violations are not revealed. Once, as an observer, I pointed out to the PEC chairman about the inadmissibility of campaigning on election day, and what do you think ... At the exit from the precinct, I saw my car, covered by traffic police patrol cars, on both sides. After long bickering, together with the candidate for deputy, he was taken to the police without explaining the reasons, the car was searched with the involvement of attesting witnesses from the basement. Until 20.00 (the end of voting) we sat in the police, wrote complaints to the chief of police and the city prosecutor. Result: "No illegal actions of police officers were found." And so in the elections at all levels and on the part of only one party (you can guess which one?). I don’t think it’s more honest in Belarus than here.
            I don’t like to write long comments, but don’t take it a job reading a story that is not fake.
            Once an old friend from Moscow came to visit me with a new young wife, who works as a simple manager. in a Moscow kindergarten and in a sauna under a glass, she began to boast that she had bought an underage daughter from her first marriage in an apartment in Moscow, that she and her husband had a car (not viburnum). Well, I say they get your head. gardens. She laughed and said: "I have been chairing the PEC for many years." When I said that, too, she asked: "What was not offered?" I replied that they had offered it, but I didn’t get it. She was offended and said: "You may not be okay, but you are a shit." Any questions?
          2. Olgovich
            Olgovich 16 October 2020 19: 43 New
            -4
            Quote: AK1972
            Any questions?

            There are no questions for those offended by losing the elections: this is their lot to moan and cry about their “offended” fate.
            Quote: AK1972
            but don’t take it a job reading a non-phony story.

            I read this "non-sticky" story.

            Now give the opportunity to ask the OTHER side in this story, otherwise your price is worthless.
          3. AK1972
            AK1972 17 October 2020 06: 20 New
            +1
            Quote: Olgovich
            Now give the opportunity to ask the OTHER side in this story, otherwise your price is worthless.

            I am pleased to give you this opportunity, ask! Moreover, I myself urge my colleagues to talk about the falsifications by opposition and quasi-opposition parties. Let's look at the price of your "truth".
          4. AK1972
            AK1972 17 October 2020 06: 52 New
            +1
            And offended it is rather you, Olgovich! Offended by a revolution or a coup, call it whatever you like, the Bolsheviks, who did not allow you "noble" to continue to parasitize on the working people and took away the family name. Andrei, why are these elections at all? Well them backwards! Why spend budget money on this circus? Let's organize the last referendum (or better, a "popular vote") on the abolition of the Constitution and the introduction of the monarchy (the CEC will provide the desired result), the monarch's candidacy is known and has no alternative. You look and the property will be returned, and a couple - three hundred serf souls (for a start). How do you like the proposal?
          5. Olgovich
            Olgovich 17 October 2020 09: 52 New
            -1
            Quote: AK1972
            I am pleased to give you this opportunity, ask!

            What is your empty chatterbox?

            On the table, a specific polling station, the names of the members of the EC and their views on the situation, your official registered complaint, the official response to it.

            No?

            To freedom!
            Quote: AK1972
            And offended it is rather you, Olgovich! Offended by a revolution or a coup, call it whatever you like, the Bolsheviks, who did not allow you "noble" to continue to parasitize on the workers and took away the family name

            What the the next rave? belay lol
            My ancestors are peasants, the mainstay of the state.
            Quote: AK1972
            ... Andrei, why are these elections at all? Well them backwards! Why spend budget money on this circus? Let's organize the last referendum (or better, a "popular vote") on the abolition of the Constitution and the introduction of the monarchy (the CEC will provide the desired result), the monarch's candidacy is known and has no alternative. You look and the property will be returned, and a couple - three hundred serf souls (for a start). How do you like the proposal?


            Falling ... belay lol
          6. Sanichsan
            Sanichsan 17 October 2020 16: 02 New
            0
            Quote: Olgovich
            Falling ...

            and what is it? the elections are won by rogues and parsley, or even bandits like Furgal. not because “everyone knows it,” but because it cannot work out differently, because the winner is the one who has more money for a competent election headquarters. there are some exceptions, for example those whom the darkest person personally appoints, but there are also egregious cases like “vote with your heart”.
            so maybe the truth is, well, their elections? just what to replace? can exams? although who will allow it? heh heh wassat
  • Garris199
    Garris199 16 October 2020 13: 23 New
    +1
    Courts, CEC. The words are so wonderful. Only these structures are completely dependent and committed. More sense to contact Sportloto.
  • My doctor
    My doctor 16 October 2020 18: 17 New
    0
    Quote: Olgovich
    Who installed and PROVED falsifications?

    Tell me, are there procedures for detecting violations? If you have a reasoned opinion about the integrity of the elections in Belarus, then on what basis are they? There were independent election commissions or were there independent observers, or maybe there was equal access to participation in elections as a candidate?
    Tell me if there were violations, who should have reported them?
    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich 16 October 2020 19: 50 New
      -5
      Quote: MyVrach
      Tell me, are there procedures for detecting violations?

      Learn:

      ELECTION CODE OF THE REPUBLIC OF BELARUS 11 ... www.rec.gov.by ›sites› default ›files› pdf ›kodeks
      PDF
      Quote: MyVrach
      If you have a reasoned opinion about the integrity of the elections in Belarus, then on what basis are they?

      I have no reason not to believe the CEC, the Court and the popularly elected LEGAL Parliament.

      Maybe something is wrong, but, as PRACTICE shows, within 3-4%
      Quote: MyVrach
      Tell me if there were violations, who should have reported them?

      . ALL: CEC, Court, Ministry of Internal Affairs, offended.
      why?
      1. My doctor
        My doctor 17 October 2020 14: 07 New
        +2
        Quote: Olgovich
        Learn:

        ELECTION CODE OF THE REPUBLIC OF BELARUS 11 ... www.rec.gov.by ›sites› default ›files› pdf ›kodeks

        And?
        Quote: Olgovich
        EVERYTHING: CEC, Court, Ministry of Internal Affairs, offended.
        why?

        Seriously? No offense. CEC. I wonder how the CEC will declare its violations?
        COURT, MVD?
        I understand that these are your associations to the word "law".
      2. Olgovich
        Olgovich 18 October 2020 07: 48 New
        -4
        Quote: MyVrach
        And?

        And teach!
        Quote: MyVrach
        Seriously? No offense. CEC. I wonder how the CEC will declare its violations?
        COURT, MVD?

        They identify, investigate and establish facts of violation of electoral legislation and ensure its observance.

        Popularly elected, recognized by all The Parliament of Belarus also recognized and welcomed the elections.

        Or WHO is your "law"? Cutlet?
      3. My doctor
        My doctor 18 October 2020 08: 58 New
        +4
        Quote: Olgovich
        They identify, investigate and establish facts of violation of electoral legislation and ensure its observance.

        Admit it, you are not even close to even the basics of law. Your words are snatched from the lexicon used in speeches of lawyers, but the verbal construction of rubbish folded by you.
      4. Revival
        Revival 20 October 2020 12: 59 New
        0
        Yes, but how do you like this situation.
        Self-isolation and fines in Moscow.
        Claims about the illegality of the measures in the decree are all rejected.
        And the fines from the cameras were declared illegal, but separately.
        That is, the measure was introduced illegally, but only this way separately, and how to say that the measures in the decree are not, so immediately refusal to consider claims.
        This is about advice to go to court and the results of such appeals knowingly
  • Kochegarkin
    Kochegarkin 15 October 2020 15: 05 New
    +4
    Quote: AK1972
    There was no need to falsify the results

    100% AGREE WITH YOU !!!!!
    I will only change the date .. to August 2020, and December 1991 ... or 1992 ..
    I'm talking about a referendum on the preservation of the USSR ...
    there was much more falsification ... in dozens ... hundreds ... AND THE TOTAL !!! ????

    at 91 thieves and traitors to the homeland fought for power, those who did not care about the well-being of the people and the country, those who plundered it in recent years, and before led to a state of poverty and queues.
    But Old Man stands in the position of a state oriented towards a social society, in which a working person is a person with a capital letter, who has the right to use all state institutions for a conditional, and sometimes zero price, and in return, they do not ask for much - work, for money, for normal money.
    And what does the opposition offer ???? What the Russian Federation experienced in the 90s. Privatization, redistribution of property, empty fields and pastures, factories sawn for scrap metal, closed kindergartens and FAPs, empty villages - do you want this in Belarus?
    When you accuse the authorities of falsification, you must have proof !!!
    And yet .... I can judge the people sitting in the offices in the Belgorod region ... but if only they are ready to "lick" without a "command" to turn over their heads ... The king is made by his retinue ... only the king does not always know about those who is in his retinue ...
    1. Sanichsan
      Sanichsan 17 October 2020 16: 16 New
      +2
      Quote: The Stoker
      I will only change the date .. to August 2020, and December 1991 ... or 1992 ..
      I'm talking about a referendum on the preservation of the USSR ...
      there was much more falsification ... in dozens ... hundreds ... AND THE TOTAL !!! ????

      gyyy laughing can Belarusians be consistent in considering unfair elections? to start talking from the beginning, from separation from the RSFSR into a sovereign republic? they are for justice and revision of the results, right? here will annul the first false referendum all! no problems! Luka is no longer president and part of Russia. good
      1. My doctor
        My doctor 18 October 2020 09: 03 New
        +2
        Quote: SanichSan
        You are laughing, but can Belarusians be consistent in considering dishonest elections? to start talking from the beginning, from separation from the RSFSR into a sovereign republic? they are for justice and revision of the results, right? here will annul the first false referendum all! no problems! Luka is no longer president and part of Russia.

        Can you be more specific, what kind of referendum? "Secession from the RSFSR" or secession from the Soviet Union? When was this referendum held and how was it voted on?
    2. My doctor
      My doctor 17 October 2020 19: 38 New
      +1
      Quote: The Stoker
      And Old Man stands in the position of a state oriented towards a social society, in which a working person is a person with a capital letter,

      LAS look at the state as an economy in which a person is not a citizen, but a labor resource for enterprises. Here's an example: a state-owned woodworking company underwent modernization. Because of what, either working conditions or wages changed, but people began to quit production. Here is the LAS reaction
      "Therefore, categorically prohibit any dismissals from tomorrow - December 1" and "I quit - to forced labor, and work here. - And your task (Director of the enterprise) with specialists to bring the amount of work every day."
      In essence, this meant serfdom.
      Quote: The Stoker
      entitled to use all state institutions for a conditional and sometimes zero price

      And these words are in essence an outrage. But leaving emotions aside, I will say, in principle, there are no equal opportunities to use the services of "state institutions".
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  • Moss
    Moss 15 October 2020 20: 23 New
    +4
    So much nonsense has been written that wherever you stick it, it’s not like that everywhere ... No one but the OMON stands behind the bow, no millions ... Otherwise, where are they, these mysterious millions of silencers? All who voted in favor gathered for the infamous secret inauguration (Anton s
    1. Captan78
      Captan78 15 October 2020 23: 17 New
      -4
      Are you worried that you were not warned in time about the inauguration of the president and were not invited to this event?
    2. Oprichnik
      Oprichnik 16 October 2020 01: 50 New
      -2
      In the republic, about 2,5-2,8 million pensioners and the overwhelming majority of them voted not for unknown oppositionists who had NO experience in managing even a small plant, but for the proven President. Yes, he made many mistakes, but this does not negate the fact that he did good, of which there is much more. So, the opinion of 200-300 ignoramuses with iPhones instead of brains is more important than the opinions of millions who built and created the republic and its wealth? So I'm ready to go up against these fools and help the riot police to fix their brains, if at all possible!
      1. Beringovsky
        Beringovsky 16 October 2020 11: 52 New
        +8
        Are they also undersized with iPhones? No, these are the pensioners who allegedly "voted for Lukashenka."
        1. Sanichsan
          Sanichsan 17 October 2020 16: 17 New
          -2
          Quote: Beringovsky
          No, these are the pensioners who allegedly "voted for Lukashenka."

          You mean that scumbag with a white-red-white rag?
      2. FOBOSS
        FOBOSS 16 October 2020 23: 52 New
        +3
        Babariko was the head of Belgazprombank for 20 years. Tsepkalo was in charge of HTP. And those pensioners who supported Luka had already died of old age 10 years ago.
  • Terrible GMO
    Terrible GMO 16 October 2020 01: 10 New
    +3
    Quote: Olgovich
    And millions of voters stand behind Lukashenka

    https://news.tut.by/society/704206.html
    Millions

    It is useless for Putinists to prove anything.
    1. RVAPatriot
      RVAPatriot 16 October 2020 02: 46 New
      -2
      What are you all referring to here.by ??? An openly oppositional site, I read it before, until I got tired of it. Too one-sided presentation of information. You have to look in all directions, not just one. And then you read a lot of telegrams, mulberries and the picture naturally develops in your head that everyone is against the bow ... Here it is brainwashing. And you look around, see how after the elections they walked in ranks around the courtyards, trained, shouted slogans under dictation. Right under the balcony for 3 weeks in a row there was about 10 o'clock in the evening a procession back and forth, back and forth ... I heard all the chants, that then on weekends they shouted in the city. Look around, maybe the picture will change ...
      1. FOBOSS
        FOBOSS 16 October 2020 23: 55 New
        +2
        And I look around, but in a small enterprise where I work out of 30 people for Luka only 5
    2. Olgovich
      Olgovich 16 October 2020 09: 10 New
      -2
      Quote: TerribleGMO
      https://news.tut.by/society/704206.html
      Millions

      Roll a stupid agitation into a tube and there it, there, aha! yes
      Quote: TerribleGMO
      It is useless for Putinists to prove anything.

      It is useless for the fascists to prove anything. But the straw should help! yes
      1. Beringovsky
        Beringovsky 16 October 2020 12: 07 New
        +1
        Quote: Olgovich
        ... the straw should help! yes

        The cocktail goes very well with the straw.
        Helps clear the brain.
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 16 October 2020 19: 54 New
          -2
          Quote: Beringovsky
          It fits very well with the straw Cocktail.
          Helps clear the brain
          .

          It didn't help you, but you suggest!

          Fu, ugly ...
  • Oprichnik
    Oprichnik 16 October 2020 01: 17 New
    -2
    Olgovich is a YOUNG MAN, he said correctly and clearly
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 15 October 2020 09: 29 New
    0
    Quote: Bearded
    It's just that in the West they don't know anything about the chemical warfare agent DICHLOFOS.

    Yes, they confused "newbie" with "dichlorvos", or rather deliberately confused.
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 15 October 2020 09: 31 New
    +2
    Quote: Bearded
    The third month of Maydan. And what do they eat? Where does the money come from?

    Dad and mom are fed, "they are" theirs.
    1. Krest
      Krest 15 October 2020 16: 38 New
      +3
      Quote: tihonmarine
      Quote: Bearded
      The third month of Maydan. And what do they eat? Where does the money come from?

      Dad and mom are fed, "they are" theirs.

      Big money is poured into these protestors ... I am sure already somewhere in the hidden warehouses prepared tents, potbelly stoves, cunning seagulls and tires for fires .. All according to the template Vlad!
      And the faces are the same in the photo, as on the Maidan ..
      1. Oprichnik
        Oprichnik 16 October 2020 01: 53 New
        -4
        No wonder. Only enthusiastic, brainless individuals go to such booths.
    2. cmax
      cmax 15 October 2020 19: 28 New
      +5
      Quote: tihonmarine
      Quote: Bearded
      The third month of Maydan. And what do they eat? Where does the money come from?

      Dad and mom are fed, "they are" theirs.

      People go to work the same way. Protests in the evening after work and on weekends, despite beatings, dismissals from work, threats. Judging by your comment, you would definitely have a guts to protest. I'm surprised there is YouTube, Telegram, LJ, Instagram, see what is really happening in Belarus. If only to write something in comments, having no idea of ​​reality.
  • cradle
    cradle 15 October 2020 11: 51 New
    +4
    removed from the tongue. And then I wanted to write to the author impartially. But you did it politely.
    1. cmax
      cmax 15 October 2020 19: 30 New
      +2
      Quote: besik
      removed from the tongue. And then I wanted to write to the author impartially. But you did it politely.

      The same can be written about you, see above. No respect
      1. cradle
        cradle 22 October 2020 01: 54 New
        0
        oh ... how gentle we are! eptyl! How to write Mui Ne, Duc can, but how to hear the answer, so the gut is thin. These are the ones not to go to the rally, where the polite Lukashenka riot police - here they can both by mother and face about the table ... their respect for yourself and zaglobastay.
        1. cmax
          cmax 22 October 2020 12: 30 New
          0
          Quote: besik
          oh ... how gentle we are! eptyl! How to write Mui Ne, Duc can, but how to hear the answer, so the gut is thin. These are the ones not to go to the rally, where the polite Lukashenka riot police - here they can both by mother and face about the table ... their respect for yourself and zaglobastay.

          Here, you are brave only to walk with riot police. The eagles are straight. As muynkyu to write, Duc Mogem, and how to hear the answer, so the gut is thin. Ostriches with their heads in the ground - I don't see anything, I don't hear, I don't want to. No respect!
    2. Oprichnik
      Oprichnik 16 October 2020 01: 58 New
      -5
      Yuri, look closely at yesterday's photos from Tutbay. On different streets there are small groups of 10-20, rarely 30 undergrowths with BCHB-rags, which immediately scatter when they see the police. And this is passed off as a "protest
      million "? Yes, on Sundays, a herd gathers, wandering aimlessly around the city and violating my right to move freely around the city and causing traffic jams. For this, you have to fine, which is done.
  • Terrible GMO
    Terrible GMO 16 October 2020 01: 09 New
    +3
    Quote: Bearded
    Is the daddy atrocities? And what is happening in the West?

    But in the US, blacks are lynched.

    Quote: Bearded
    In the USA and Germany, the COMENDANT CLOCK is introduced in cities without any elections.

    In the USA there are pogroms and the population has millions of barrels of all calibers on hand.
    In Germany, restrictions are due to the crown. Have they already forgotten about similar measures in Moscow?

    Quote: Bearded
    In France and Bulgaria, children are dispersed with batons and tear gas.

    In France, shop windows are beaten, cars and houses are burned. In Belarus, the OMON is doing this.
    The Bulgarians themselves will tell you about Bulgaria (and have already done it on VO).

    Quote: Bearded
    Father is just an angel

    Take it for yourself and canonize. There will be two pair of boots for Putin for once.
  • Normal ok
    Normal ok 16 October 2020 16: 16 New
    +4
    "[quote] [/ quote] So without financial and informational support from the West, the Maidan is not possible, and Western financiers openly support the cook Tikhanovskaya"

    And now, without emotion, let's just do arithmetic. If each participant is paid at least 5 euros for one show, then 100000 euros are needed to demonstrate 500000 people in Minsk alone, on Sunday alone. And this is 63 tons (if the bills are new). This is about 8 Kamaz trucks. If we take into account that the actions have been going on for 2 months in many cities, then whole columns of trucks with cash are constantly cutting across Belarus. Moreover, they somehow cross the border. Warehouses and distribution points are also needed. And no security officials see them ?! And this is with total control of the government over the entire country, and the complete absence of oligarchs !!
    Unreal.
    1. Sanichsan
      Sanichsan 17 October 2020 16: 33 New
      -2
      Quote: Normal ok
      If each participant is paid at least 5 euros for one demonstration per share, then for the demonstration of 100000 people in Minsk alone, on Sunday alone, 500000 euros are needed.

      what for? extras will collect and 2000. what for 20 to pay? 2000 is more than enough to create congestion and visibility.
      and when was there 100k? do not remind? or are you hypothetically?
      Quote: Normal ok
      And this is 63 tons (if the bills are new).

      what belay did you mean coins for sure? laughing 1 lam weighs 126kg in 5 euro bills.
      I hope it is clear that everything you write next is delusional wink
      share where you got this nonsense? the unwanted opposition of Belarus? lol
  • Federal1
    Federal1 15 October 2020 10: 40 New
    -8
    Quote: carstorm 11
    well, cockroaches are tenacious)

    look back, all the spitefulness all come back, you laugh later
    1. Dart2027
      Dart2027 15 October 2020 11: 26 New
      +6
      Quote: Federal1
      all the grudge all come back

      Everything comes back. someday lies will come back about all these chemical attacks, poisoning, etc.
    2. Revival
      Revival 15 October 2020 13: 18 New
      +5
      He is happy for Lukashenka, he thinks what a tenacious cockroach
  • Nikolai Korovin
    Nikolai Korovin 15 October 2020 21: 35 New
    +1
    400 million years on this planet. Acclimatized. We survived all the big ones. So they pretended to be people and crawled out again. They hope there will be Armageddon, and they will survive and multiply. And then they have become something smaller. Even a hundred years ago they were much larger. So they are active.
  • midivan
    midivan 17 October 2020 00: 41 New
    0
    Quote: carstorm 11
    well, cockroaches are tenacious)

    Do you want to tell me why?)) They are tenacious because there is no "dichlorvos" in the form of a clear program (what are you going to do without a cockroach), where you prick up your skis, there is no adequate leader, there are no complaints except how - he must leave. And therefore, besides the pshek, you are not really needed by anyone, and the pshek need you only because of their ambition. I don't know if anyone told you about such a moment as your (protesters) current flag, but personally it strained me first of all, I was on the side of the protesters until I saw a new ensign, and immediately the thought crept in - and what not so with the one that is, and how much I was not interested in an adequate answer and did not hear, and I have at least a dozen friends from Belarus. So, you have no less mistakes than Batka, and they cannot be corrected in the near future. You, the opposition, immediately took to the wrong career and lost, but in fact, not much was needed to win. But the most interesting thing is that you are not trying to work on mistakes, but stupidly rested against protests like a ram at a new gate ... A little tip - find a leader, a competent manager, to begin with, and try to understand what you want. The cook cannot put two words together in a pile, and with her and near, already waste material. Decide on your desires, because I want the motherboard and the car now, they look wretched and humiliating from the outside ..))) Yes, and immediately think about where you will take money for your balls, abroad will not help you, but we are already tired of you, you first, at least pay for the nuclear power plant, otherwise it will not come out like a kid if it cools down there before it heats up))
  • KCA
    KCA 15 October 2020 07: 31 New
    +2
    Jack Daniels Blue Label whiskey box toss for free, it will surely kill him
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 15 October 2020 09: 47 New
      0
      Quote: KCA
      Jack Daniels Blue Label whiskey box toss for free, it will surely kill him

      Yes, even smoke grass, then the attic takes down a clean one.
      1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
        Sidor Amenpodestovich 15 October 2020 09: 57 New
        0
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Yes, even smoke grass, then the attic takes down a clean one.

        I think you should serve him truly faithful Colombian coke.
        1. Oprichnik
          Oprichnik 16 October 2020 02: 00 New
          -4
          professional advice, apparently !!! Smoke on Flavius ​​...
  • Egoza
    Egoza 15 October 2020 07: 32 New
    +1
    Quote: The same LYOKHA
    the Germans claim that he was poisoned twice ... poisoned, poisoned, poisoned ... underexposed ... the bastard turned out to be tenacious ..

    Come on! He liked Merkel, so he won't let go!
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 15 October 2020 09: 48 New
      0
      Quote: Egoza
      Come on! He liked Merkel, so he won't let go!

      Perverted taste of the "grandmother".
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 15 October 2020 09: 49 New
        +3
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Perverted taste of the "grandmother".

        The glory of Macron's wife is haunted. And here is an ownerless little man in his own clinic! Well, how not to attend!
        1. Sanichsan
          Sanichsan 17 October 2020 16: 36 New
          +1
          but what about the wife and children? or is the fight more important ?? belay
  • Pravodel
    Pravodel 15 October 2020 07: 12 New
    20
    there is already a frank Navalnovsky circus left

    A strange article, as if written under the dictation of Soros chicks. Again, Putin is to blame for everything, who supports White Russia, does not allow it to fall apart,
    turn into a concentration camp ...
    At the same time, it is not Russia, not the people of Russia that supports White Russia, but Putin, who is clearly wrong, squanders people's money to support and bribe the bloody regime ... Such an article can be posted right within the walls of the parliament of Poland, Lithuania or some other Baltic states shouting "Hurray !!! Russian patriots woke up, they don't want to support Lukashenko." Just like Tikhonovskaya wrote. It's just, it's a pity, there is no translation into English, otherwise it could be read in the English Parliament or in some other parliament of the Geyropes ...
    No, dear, not Putin, not Putin, but Russia, the people of Russia support Lukashenko and want Belaya Rus to be united with Russia and not be a second Ukraine. It is Russia, the people of Russia, who do not want the Rzeczpospolita to revive on the border with Russia, and a new Livonian war began.
    So, kindly request: you roll with such articles and appeals to Poland or some other Baltic region, where they will look in your mouth and throw silver coins for the nastiness and dirty tricks that you will do there against Russia, the people of Russia, betraying him ....
    1. Dart2027
      Dart2027 15 October 2020 07: 44 New
      -6
      Quote: The Truth
      A strange article, as if written under the dictation of Soros chicks.

      On the contrary, the article is quite logical.
      The author of the article is an ardent admirer of the USSR, and he hates the current government, so anyone who is against Russia led by Putin is an ally for him. All as Machiavelli wrote:
      if the enemy approaches, defeat is inevitable, since the weaker party will join the attackers, and the strong one will not be able to defend the city
      1. Sanichsan
        Sanichsan 17 October 2020 16: 40 New
        +1
        Quote: Dart2027
        The author of the article is an ardent admirer of the USSR, and he hates the current government, so anyone who is against Russia led by Putin is an ally for him.

        Duc it, have already seen those who are against and still with whom. happened with Hitler, but nothing, they were fine. oh, by the way, the flag is the same wink
    2. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk 15 October 2020 07: 44 New
      +9
      I am sure the article was not written by Skomorokhov. Or, more likely, she went through the "edit". The article has too serious implications. The article is intended for my 18-year-old granddaughter. In one word, youth. It is the youth who will take it at face value. And he will be captured. Thanks to such authors, suspicions arise - hasn't VO become a notorious NPO?
      1. forester1971
        forester1971 15 October 2020 09: 37 New
        +4
        I fully agree with you about the main course of articles on this resource. By the way, in the next thread there is a discussion of an article about Pashinyan. So an analogue of Pashinyan may well appear in Belarus, and that Russia will get better from this?
        It is clear that Lukashenka, to put it mildly, is not a gift, but unfortunately Russia has not raised anyone else (as far as it was possible to do).
        1. Revival
          Revival 15 October 2020 13: 23 New
          +3
          "It is clear that Lukashenko, to put it mildly, is not a gift, but unfortunately Russia has not raised anyone else."

          And now, since Russia "has not grown up", you offer the Belarusians to endure "not a gift", it is normal so, cynically
          1. forester1971
            forester1971 15 October 2020 14: 12 New
            +2
            I don’t offer Belarusians anything. Let them figure it out themselves.
            I said that the lesser of two evils is chosen.
            Who replaces Lukashenka? Option: anyone, as long as he is not, is flawed, the Belarusian analogue of Pashinyan is also.
            Yes, and international politics is generally a very cynical thing.
    3. Navel
      Navel 15 October 2020 11: 33 New
      0
      Dear "RRR"
      Fun juggling concepts:
      In the article: "Putin supports Lukashenko" (who is like against his own people)
      You have: "The people of Russia support Lukashenko" (the potato Fuehrer and the population of Sineokoy are mixed into one broth, which is also a dirty manipulation and the same eggs only from the side)

      In fact, at the expense of the Russian budget, Putin subsidizes unprofitable production facilities in Belarus (our direct competitors), their communal services, social benefits, and launches Zmagar products on the Russian market. That is, the Leader thus, at our Russian expense, supports the entire Belarusian people. ... And for this the Darkest One gets a tub of dirt from both the AHLA and its opposition. And in Russia the people are very dissatisfied with this.

      Recently, it was reported in the news that Belazes will be produced in Mother Russia (previously, the production of certain key types of products of the Belarusian military-industrial complex was transferred to Russian soil). This is a very positive call for the Russian people. The ice has broken. But! if in Ukraine the local industry and agricultural production were destroyed by our western partners. Then in Belarus we should not count on an overseas uncle, but decide the issue ourselves.

      And the Belarusians should definitely help targeted, in the development of the Far East, for example.
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 16 October 2020 01: 59 New
        +1
        Quote: navel
        And the Belarusians should definitely help targeted, in the development of the Far East, for example.

        And you asked them if they want to master the Far East?
        1. Navel
          Navel 16 October 2020 09: 26 New
          -1
          Whom do you think the Great Russians should ask something else?
          And in Belarus, I consider two options for development.
          1. Realistic. Relocation of significant industries to the territory of Russia (in progress), reorientation of traffic flows to the Russian Baltic ports (in progress).
          Then the end of subsidies to the Belarusian economy, social services, the closure of markets for Zmagar goods. Collapse of industrial and agricultural production of Sineokoy.
          Reception by Russia slave. forces from this country on a quota - a certain age, gender.
          Without obtaining civil rights.
          2. Humanitarian. The entry of Russian business into Belarus. Preservation of about 30 percent of industrial and agricultural enterprises (not key) under the Russian leadership.
          The surplus of the population under the program for the development of the Far East - Russian passports and lifting.
          I do not consider the option of joining Belarus to Russia at all. It takes too many resources and there is no benefit. The rise from "reunification" will quickly turn into rejoicing from the fall in the standard of living of the Great Russians. People should not be angry.
          There will be no more Crimean phenomenon with the distribution of Russian passports to all residents of the territory that is part of Russia.
      2. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 16 October 2020 18: 42 New
        +2
        Quote: navel
        That is, the Leader thus, at our Russian expense, supports the entire Belarusian people. ...

        You reminded me of the Ukrainians and the Balts, who, in Soviet times, groaned all the time that they were feeding Russia.
        And Belarusians, by the way, produce a fairly high-quality product.
        1. Navel
          Navel 19 October 2020 09: 10 New
          -1
          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
          Quote: navel
          That is, the Leader thus, at our Russian expense, supports the entire Belarusian people. ...

          You reminded me of the Ukrainians and the Balts, who, in Soviet times, groaned all the time that they were feeding Russia.
          And Belarusians, by the way, produce a fairly high-quality product.

          And you reminded me of Yegorushka Gaidar (he was such a leader during perestroika times), who answered at the next closure of the Russian enterprise: It's okay, we'll take everything abroad.
          And so, according to the IMF (which does not particularly like Russia), the annual infusion of our country into Belarus is 10 lard green, and this is at low prices for Sineoka for Russian oil and gas, and with a permitted entry to the domestic market. The revenue side of the budget of Bulbanistan in 2016 amounted to 9,6 lard green, which is less than the annual subsidies of Russia. The Belarusians themselves always emphasize that Russia is pouring into their country more than the EU into Poland, with a population difference of 4 times.
          Question to the Darkest One: Why economically, financially and politically support this pseudo-judicial entity? Why enter the Russian market with products that compete with domestic ones? What is this sabotage?
    4. Beringovsky
      Beringovsky 15 October 2020 11: 56 New
      +8
      And you create your own site - Prigozhinskoe Review. There you will squeeze the correct articles about the machinations of the State Department, nasty ones, regular victories and other crap. True, we have enough such pro-government sites, well, there will be one more. But nobody needs them. Usually a dozen paid trolls sit on them, with dull hackneyed comments. So you can't cut down the dough on the comments
      1. Odessa Greek
        Odessa Greek 15 October 2020 13: 53 New
        -3
        Of course, of course, you are right - only trolls!)) Here is the radio of freedom, Mukha Moskvy, Lehin Fund, yes - the lake of truth, and the rest is a blatant lie !!!!))
        1. Beringovsky
          Beringovsky 15 October 2020 15: 20 New
          +5
          Quote: Odessa Greek
          Of course, of course, you are right - only trolls!)) Here is the radio of freedom, Mukha Moskvy, Lehin Fund, yes - the lake of truth, and the rest is a blatant lie !!!!))

          You, dear, confuse the voices of cockroaches in your head with the position of the interlocutor.
          As for me "Both are worse!" C. smile
          Plague on them all
    5. www3
      www3 15 October 2020 12: 05 New
      -9
      I understand that you have the right to speak on behalf of the entire Russian people ???
      if so, then why are you indignant at the actions of Lukashenka ??
      - We give a pit for so many days, we keep the whole Belarus, but he doesn't love us!
      Well, be ready to continue paying for his new palaces and not whine!
    6. Revival
      Revival 15 October 2020 13: 20 New
      +3
      And why are you speaking on behalf of the people of Russia?
  • German Titov
    German Titov 18 October 2020 15: 34 New
    0
    I am surprised to the "siloviks". Courage and endurance.
  • ANDREY MIKHAILOV_2
    ANDREY MIKHAILOV_2 15 October 2020 05: 57 New
    -1
    It’s really funny who is trying to remind something about Khabarovsk.
    1. Deck
      Deck 15 October 2020 06: 17 New
      11
      Lukashenka criticized not only his rivals in the presidential race and the oppositionists who joined them. Stanislav Shushkevich, the first post-Soviet leader of the republic, also received his portion of criticism, for whom the Belarusian leader predicted bleak prospects.
      “This old senile Shushkevich also cackled. Well, where are you, goat, climbing? I gave you a pension. What else do you want? Moreover, he himself ruined the country, now he gives advice. No use from him. As soon as we launch the BelNPP, Shushkevich goes straight to the reactor. Experts assure that it is realistic to do it, ”Lukashenka said.
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 15 October 2020 06: 30 New
        +8
        As soon as we launch the BelNPP, Shushkevich goes straight to the reactor.

        He won't fit in there ... fat hurts.
        And why put all sorts of waste into a nuclear power plant.
      2. Egoza
        Egoza 15 October 2020 07: 35 New
        10
        Quote: Deck
        As soon as we launch the BelNPP, Shushkevich goes straight to the reactor.

        But with this I agree. Still, Kravchuk and Gorbachev go there for the company.
        1. The Siberian barber
          The Siberian barber 15 October 2020 07: 48 New
          +4
          Quote: Egoza
          Quote: Deck
          As soon as we launch the BelNPP, Shushkevich goes straight to the reactor.

          But with this I agree. Still, Kravchuk and Gorbachev go there for the company.

          Will fall apart ..
          1. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 15 October 2020 10: 51 New
            +6
            Quote: The Siberian Barber
            Will fall apart ..

            Worse, they will divide.
            The reactor, turbine hall and coolers will declare independence - and will begin to split water / steam.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 15 October 2020 17: 05 New
      0
      Quote: ANDREY MIKHAILOV_2
      It’s really funny who is trying to remind something about Khabarovsk.

      That's right, Khabarovsk is a Khabarovsk problem, and people speak out in their region, for their region. But no further.
  • Sayan
    Sayan 15 October 2020 06: 11 New
    19
    Quote: Dead Day
    The protest movement continues for the third month in Belarus.
    and about Khabarovsk will be?

    There will be no - because there is nothing to write about - everything is calm here (I've been here in Khbr for two weeks now), except that buffoons will scrape off the ceiling or suck "facts" from the ceiling))))
    1. Revival
      Revival 15 October 2020 13: 27 New
      +1
      Yes, we saw the video how it was "quiet" ...
      1. Sayan
        Sayan 15 October 2020 14: 08 New
        +4
        Quote: Revival
        Yes, we saw the video how it was "quiet" ...

        Video shnyaga - I saw how they are being cooked up here, filming a column of military equipment (military parts are like fleas to a dog, they are constantly chasing here) with comments like Putin pulls together troops to suppress protests ... by air defense)))) )) This is a creation in short pants in a fagot Moscow fashion, not knowing the technique, takes off and throws bullshit into the Internet, for people like you
        1. Revival
          Revival 15 October 2020 15: 28 New
          -1
          And, so this is the bulk of the fake about the riot police who jumped out of the city hall was removed? well, it's clear with you ..
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  • The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 15 October 2020 07: 01 New
    +4
    But what about another article, however, from another, eminent author on the "military review"?
    More (!) From August 25 !!!
    In which he unambiguously stated that the protests in Belarus had declined, the revolution had failed and aunts were not standing along the roadside with flags ...
    Why doesn't he write a sequel?
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  • Odessa Greek
    Odessa Greek 15 October 2020 13: 50 New
    0
    And what about Khabaru, they put a ghoul ... oh-oh or an elf ... ah-ah)
  • Krest
    Krest 15 October 2020 16: 34 New
    +2
    Quote: Dead Day
    The protest movement continues for the third month in Belarus.
    and about Khabarovsk will be?

    Everyone moved from Khabarovsk to Minsk together with posters, only other flags were sewn ... bully
  • Nikolai Korovin
    Nikolai Korovin 15 October 2020 21: 31 New
    +1
    Nope. There, you see, there is absolutely nothing to show. Something, some old shots, and that they are burning tires and trying to build barricades across the streets to block traffic in the form of peaceful protest - somehow you can't see.
  • carstorm 11
    carstorm 11 15 October 2020 05: 30 New
    19
    you can chase the security forces as much as you like. even to believe that they are generally to blame turns out to be in the protests! (surprising statement). but they do what they were created for in every country in the world. and personally, I am sure that their rigidity in the early days did not allow the Ukrainian scenario to work. You can guess as much as you like, but the protest is now openly afraid of them and therefore has not yet developed into a serious phase of clashes. because everyone understood that they would not stand like in Kiev without weapons and without the opportunity to use force.
    1. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 15 October 2020 06: 03 New
      +8
      Quote: carstorm 11
      you can chase the security forces as much as you like. even to believe that they are generally to blame turns out to be in the protests! (surprising statement). but they do what they were created for in every country in the world. and personally, I am sure that their rigidity in the early days did not allow the Ukrainian scenario to work. You can guess as much as you like, but the protest is now openly afraid of them and therefore has not yet developed into a serious phase of clashes. because everyone understood that they would not stand like in Kiev without weapons and without the opportunity to use force.

      Glory to Pinochet. Thanks to his decisive action, Chile did not plunge into chaos
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 15 October 2020 06: 08 New
        +1
        before etmim if my memory serves me, he made a military coup. why are these comparisons?
        1. saigon
          saigon 15 October 2020 07: 37 New
          +2
          Well, why is it just one-to-one comparison in some aspects! And here and there the president with a machine gun in his hands.
          It is time to understand which body to talk about the fate and actions of the submachine gunner Lukashenko, he is not a friend of our country, now a lot of vector politics will fall from the tailbone and trample out.
          I don’t know how it’s going to end there, but Russia's haemorrhoid is provided, among other things, by the efforts of a hero machine gunner.
          1. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 15 October 2020 07: 42 New
            +4
            nothing at all. Although I am not a supporter of Lukashenka, he did not come to power through a military coup. did not kill people in batches. and the British parliament will never intercede for Lukashenka so that he would not be shot. and then you are now comparing at the level he has two arms and two legs and it means he is similar.
            1. Pilat2009
              Pilat2009 15 October 2020 08: 18 New
              +4
              Quote: carstorm 11
              nothing at all. Although I am not a supporter of Lukashenka, he did not come to power through a military coup. did not kill people in batches. and the British parliament will never intercede for Lukashenka so that he would not be shot. and then you are now comparing at the level he has two arms and two legs and it means he is similar.

              The question is not whether Lukashenka or Pinochet killed people anymore, but that both believe that in order to preserve power, any methods can be used. By the way, if Lukashenka fabricated the election results, then he also committed unconstitutional actions. Or, more simply, a crime
              1. carstorm 11
                carstorm 11 15 October 2020 08: 24 New
                +7
                and what any methods did Lukashenka use? drove protesters to the stadium and their corpses are loaded there in stacks? you are now trying to compare a hedgehog with a carrot and it does not work out well for you. as far as fabricated, you just need to prove it first and then protest and not vice versa.
                1. Cube123
                  Cube123 15 October 2020 08: 39 New
                  +5
                  Quote: carstorm 11
                  and what any methods did Lukashenka use? drove protesters to the stadium and their corpses are loaded there in stacks? you are now trying to compare a hedgehog with a carrot and it does not work out well for you. as far as fabricated, you just need to prove it first and then protest and not vice versa.

                  The main thing that Lukashenka is missing now, in my opinion, is the articles in the newspapers of the repentant protesters and open trials with evidence of their guilt. Sheckley seems to have a wonderful story "The Cannon That Doesn't Blow". It shows that when a flock does not see its members perishing, the flock does not feel fear.
                  1. www3
                    www3 15 October 2020 12: 15 New
                    -8
                    so the same can be said about the other side of the conflict.
                    while only cars and houses are burning riot police. but when they themselves start to be extinguished, it is interesting that they will begin to bleat. example of Ukraine with a golden eagle, by the way, not so long ago.
                    1. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 15 October 2020 12: 48 New
                      +1
                      Quote: www3
                      example of Ukraine with a golden eagle

                      He showed very well to the police officers of Belarus what the so-called peaceful Protestants are and what to do with them.
                    2. carstorm 11
                      carstorm 11 15 October 2020 13: 22 New
                      +1
                      for this you need to plant and for a very long time. do you need hamster-shaped enforcers? that would stand and not rock the boat? can you show the country where they are? burning cars and houses? Believe me, the answer will arrive and there will be little to anyone. it is already beyond the bounds. they will not bleat. they are men and do their job. they are being prepared for this. and you probably need anarchy as in 404 when gangs of gopniks will run through the streets and your security forces stand and watch as they abuse people. good luck in this upside down world to you.
                      1. www3
                        www3 15 October 2020 13: 36 New
                        +1
                        we need security officials who observe the law !!!!
                        no matter who is in power!
                        and if you violate the law, then be prepared that the law can be skated in the opposite direction.
                      2. carstorm 11
                        carstorm 11 15 October 2020 13: 38 New
                        +2
                        they do. Will you read the law on the police yourself and the right of employees to use force?
                      3. www3
                        www3 15 October 2020 13: 47 New
                        -1
                        https://news.tut.by/society/703852.html - здесь расклад от юриста о применении силы милицией.
                        and what law do employees observe when driving around Minsk in buses without numbers, themselves in civilian clothes and grabbing people on the streets ??? and please note that people are not suspected of committing criminal offenses, but all that is administrative !!
                      4. carstorm 11
                        carstorm 11 15 October 2020 13: 56 New
                        +4
                        you know ... I have not lived for the first day. there is a video about a 13 year old girl. can you ask a question? who trained her so that she knows exactly when the camera was brought up to relax sharply so that she would have to be dragged? believe this is the ruling. this is taught. the average person's reaction is completely different. he goes by himself. I have seen such girls in Moscow when Navalny is a freak. bullet to bullet reaction. only an exhalation immediately enters the camera and the tough police pull and do not lead) for a picture in the media it is very beneficial. all these little things only once again convince about what is happening there. Here we get a picture of the brutality of the police. as for the explanations, he is right. you just perceive everything there for the sake of your convictions and not as information from the outside. hence our differences in interpretation. if you can convince me now that the life of the employees there is not in danger, then I will agree with you. although your words that their cars and houses are harnessed suggests that they know for sure that this is not so.
                      5. www3
                        www3 15 October 2020 14: 05 New
                        +1
                        I brought this article not for the sake of video !!! but for the sake of the lawyer's comments about the police.
                        link to this article is easier than looking for "law on police" !!!!

                        what caused the need to shoot an unarmed person !!!!
                        and this case is not even being investigated !!!!
                        first to the whole world! they said that an unknown woo exploded in his hand and that he died from this, and after the video appeared, that all the comments disappeared.
                        and this is just one of the cases !!!!
                        I repeat once again - most of the protesters fall under the administration!
                        in Minsk not a single glass was broken by them, not a single car was burnt !!! and this is in 3 months!
                        video of the arrest of a person suspected under the Administrative Code))
                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v--VmVLwvIk&feature=emb_logo
                      6. carstorm 11
                        carstorm 11 15 October 2020 14: 09 New
                        +3
                        I deny the facts that overdo it sometimes? but, unfortunately, this is the usual thing in such situations. people are on edge. the effect of the crowd has not been canceled either. see how crowds are knitted and dispersed in the shrines of democracy. with them no one stands on ceremony with the word at all. so it was and so it will be after. no one from the siloviki will wait when it comes from the back with reinforcement or a stone in the head.
                      7. www3
                        www3 15 October 2020 14: 14 New
                        -3
                        Quote: carstorm 11
                        I deny the facts that overdo it sometimes? but, unfortunately, this is the usual thing in such situations. people are on edge. the effect of the crowd has not been canceled either. see how crowds are knitted and dispersed in the shrines of democracy. with them no one stands on ceremony with the word at all. so it was and so it will be after. no one from the siloviki will wait when it comes from the back with reinforcement or a stone in the head.


                        only you for some reason, giving an example of how they knit in shrines, ALWAYS quietly keep silent about how many shops there were looted and cars burned, etc.
                      8. carstorm 11
                        carstorm 11 15 October 2020 14: 22 New
                        -1
                        Are we talking about robberies or the work of security officials in direct contact with the protesters?
                      9. Revival
                        Revival 15 October 2020 16: 19 New
                        0
                        What does the effect of the crowd mean and they say, well, the employees go too far?
                        Understand and forgive!?
                        An employee must also be imprisoned for a crime, and not “well, he’s for a good cause,” otherwise it’s not a state, but lawlessness and terror.
                        Then the protesters just go too far, then also understand and forgive
                      10. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 15 October 2020 17: 05 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Revival
                        Then the protesters just go too far, then also understand and forgive

                        When they have served their due.
                      11. Revival
                        Revival 16 October 2020 00: 16 New
                        +1
                        Then the employees who are overbending must sit out at least!
                        Or are you for lawlessness and terror, well, like in the name of a good cause?
                        End justifies the means? AND?
                      12. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 16 October 2020 06: 40 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Revival
                        End justifies the means?

                        Rather, the alternative, and in the case of the "fighters for democracy" justifies. When it all started, I wrote in the discussion of one article that after Ukraine the police, in Belarus, are ready to tear protesters to shreds, and I agree with it. Do you want a coup d'état gentlemen? Well, then do not be offended that they will deal with you without sentimentality. And they still act softly, and not like in Tiananmen Square.
        2. Pilat2009
          Pilat2009 15 October 2020 14: 05 New
          -1
          Quote: carstorm 11
          you know ... I have not lived for the first day. there is a video about a 13 year old girl. can you ask a question? who trained her so that she knows exactly when the camera was brought up to relax sharply so that she would have to be dragged? believe this is the ruling. this is taught. the average person's reaction is completely different. he goes by himself. I have seen such girls in Moscow when Navalny is a freak. bullet to bullet reaction. only an exhalation immediately enters the camera and the tough police pull and do not lead) for a picture in the media it is very beneficial. all these little things only once again convince about what is happening there. Here we get a picture of the brutality of the police. as for the explanations, he is right. you just perceive everything there for the sake of your convictions and not as information from the outside. hence our differences in interpretation. if you can convince me now that the life of the employees there is not in danger, then I will agree with you. although your words that their cars and houses are harnessed suggests that they know for sure that this is not so.

          You also say that they break their own heads
        3. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 15 October 2020 14: 14 New
          +1
          I will not say. but for a laugh, find a video and a photo of the detention on Tverskaya and compare) they do everything the same with what from the same angles)
      2. www3
        www3 15 October 2020 14: 12 New
        -2
        Quote: carstorm 11
        if you can convince me now that the life of the employees there is not in danger, then I will agree with you. although your words that their cars and houses are harnessed suggests that they know for sure that this is not so.


        https://yandex.by/video/preview/?filmId=16520968912688763341&from=tabbar&text=убийство+трайковский

        Convince me, where is the threat to employees in this video?
      3. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 15 October 2020 14: 21 New
        +3
        came a light and noise. what does a man have in his head when he rushes to formation? he was shouted to stop every 20 times. he did not fulfill the requirements. sorry, but it's only his fault. so I can see very well that people are throwing something into the riot police. right in the foreground of this video. what do you expect from them? what will they stand and watch?
      4. www3
        www3 15 October 2020 19: 09 New
        +1
        Quote: carstorm 11
        came a light and noise. what does a man have in his head when he rushes to formation? he was shouted to stop every 20 times. he did not fulfill the requirements. sorry, but it's only his fault. so I can see very well that people are throwing something into the riot police. right in the foreground of this video. what do you expect from them? what will they stand and watch?

        in this case, if you are a professional, then it was enough for him to at least cross the butt and that would be enough! don't go to Minsk! )
      5. Dart2027
        Dart2027 15 October 2020 19: 32 New
        -1
        Quote: www3
        don't go to Minsk

        So are you a racist?
      6. www3
        www3 15 October 2020 19: 36 New
        +1
        yeah, I don't like blacks and.
      7. Dart2027
        Dart2027 15 October 2020 19: 43 New
        -1
        Quote: www3
        yeah, I don't like blacks and

        But at the same time, take an example from them.
      8. www3
        www3 15 October 2020 20: 02 New
        +2
        special fo yu - https://news.tut.by/society/704206.html
        and such records, and not only audio, have already been collected enough to say that the elections were rigged! and this is just a criminal article!
      9. Dart2027
        Dart2027 16 October 2020 06: 50 New
        0
        Quote: www3
        special fo yu - https://news.tut.by/society/704206.html

        For Dmitriev - zero, for Kanopatskaya - zero, for Cherechnya, probably two people in total, for Lukashenko I have three people in total. Everything, everyone else - for Tikhanovskaya.
        All the rest! Generally! And these people accuse Lukashenka of forgeries.
      10. www3
        www3 16 October 2020 11: 44 New
        +1
        What turned you on so much ????
      11. Dart2027
        Dart2027 16 October 2020 15: 10 New
        0
        Quote: www3
        what turned you on so

        That is, with the fact that these records are lies, you do not argue.
  • cmax
    cmax 15 October 2020 22: 02 New
    +1
    Quote: Dart2027
    Quote: www3
    don't go to Minsk

    So are you a racist?

    Are you not a sadist?
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 16 October 2020 06: 51 New
    +1
    Quote: cmax
    And you don't

    No and you?
  • cmax
    cmax 16 October 2020 11: 33 New
    +1
    Quote: Dart2027
    Quote: cmax
    And you don't

    No and you?

    In any case, I am an adequate person, unlike you. We have people like you called Yabatka.
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 16 October 2020 15: 06 New
    0
    Quote: cmax
    Anyway, I'm an adequate person

    True? That is, just a traitor.
  • cmax
    cmax 16 October 2020 17: 17 New
    +1
    Quote: Dart2027
    Quote: cmax
    Anyway, I'm an adequate person

    True? That is, just a traitor.

    Okay, so be it. It's better than being a clown and talking smartly about what you have no idea about, even has a bunch of sources on the Internet. In the head stamps are red, white.
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 16 October 2020 20: 18 New
    0
    Quote: cmax
    It's better than being a clown and talking smartly about what you have no idea about, even has a bunch of sources on the Internet.

    And only those who work for our partners?
  • cmax
    cmax 17 October 2020 18: 21 New
    +1
    Quote: Dart2027
    Quote: cmax
    It's better than being a clown and talking smartly about what you have no idea about, even has a bunch of sources on the Internet.

    And only those who work for our partners?

    You know, after a while Russia will face the same! When the power does not change for a long time, it loses its scent, sharpness of perception and it turns out what it turns out. A deputy or a minister who has several Mercedes in the garage will never understand the problems of a teacher who has a salary in the region of 13000-15000 rubles or a driver who pours gasoline for 45-48 rubles in a country with the richest oil reserves in the world. And this is a problem, a big problem, and it is growing in Russia. So something like this
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 17 October 2020 20: 30 New
    -1
    Quote: cmax
    You know, after a while Russia will have the same thing!

    Our partners have been dreaming about 15 years already, but it just doesn't work out.
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 15 October 2020 17: 08 New
    +1
    Quote: www3
    where is the threat to employees in this video

    When, during a collision with the use of weapons, someone rushes at employees, then this is his problem.
  • www3
    www3 15 October 2020 19: 11 New
    +1
    Quote: Dart2027
    Quote: www3
    where is the threat to employees in this video

    When, during a collision with the use of weapons, someone rushes at employees, then this is his problem.

    the use of weapons from whose side ???
    so why then, I suggest that all the police issue grenade launchers, came to a call to a home scadal, a grenade in the door and silence!
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 15 October 2020 19: 29 New
    +1
    Quote: www3
    use of weapons on whose side

    That is, you don't dispute the fact that this ...
    Some of the recordings show that they are throwing something at the police, so, again, there was no need to ask for trouble.
  • www3
    www3 15 October 2020 19: 31 New
    +1
    Quote: Dart2027
    Quote: www3
    use of weapons on whose side

    That is, you don't dispute the fact that this ...
    Some of the recordings show that they are throwing something at the police, so, again, there was no need to ask for trouble.

    what does it mean to get into trouble ?? he walked on them with a stick?
    then everyone who approaches the militia must first hit in the face, and then ask - why did he get it?
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 15 October 2020 19: 35 New
    +2
    Quote: www3
    what does it mean to get into trouble ?? he

    lane to police officers who operated in the area of ​​street riots. This is called asking for trouble.
    Quote: www3
    then everyone who approaches the police should be

    In such conditions, at least.
  • www3
    www3 15 October 2020 19: 38 New
    +1
    so what then it was necessary to waste time on trifles for the whole area, to throw off the bonbu.
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 15 October 2020 19: 51 New
    -1
    Quote: www3
    so why was it necessary to waste time on trifles?

    At the moment, this is firing a cannon at sparrows, but if you collect all the violent ones on an analogue of the Maidan, then there are options, although tank tracks will also work.
  • Sanichsan
    Sanichsan 17 October 2020 17: 08 New
    0
    Quote: www3
    so why then, I suggest that all the police issue grenade launchers, came to a call to a home scadal, a grenade in the door and silence!

    Is it Lukashenka or something Polpot ??? where is he to you laughing
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 15 October 2020 17: 03 New
    +1
    Quote: www3
    and please note that people are not suspected of committing criminal offenses, but all that

    attempted coup.
  • www3
    www3 15 October 2020 19: 03 New
    +3
    Quote: Dart2027
    Quote: www3
    and please note that people are not suspected of committing criminal offenses, but all that

    attempted coup.


    strange, I thought that the state coup is a criminal code, but everyone is judged by a coap.
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 15 October 2020 19: 27 New
    0
    Quote: www3
    and everyone is judged by a coap

    And this is about the "bloody regime".
  • Revival
    Revival 15 October 2020 14: 10 New
    +2
    Police law !?
    Bring the point where it is possible to use masks anonymously, without a uniform and in cars without numbers, drive and beat, even grab people at the administrative office? Waiting
  • www3
    www3 15 October 2020 14: 16 New
    -2
    in their parallel universe it is possible, it’s so tight.
  • carstorm 11
    carstorm 11 15 October 2020 23: 21 New
    0
    there are also internal instructions and orders. wear masks because, as some smart people wrote above, they are already burning cars and houses of employees. and soon they may begin to kill their children out of revenge. with these will become. if they did not accept attempts to hide their identity, it would have already started en masse. you started to humiliate and mock their relatives at first. they protect their families first of all by this. it's strange not to understand
  • Revival
    Revival 16 October 2020 00: 21 New
    +1
    Internal instructions contrary to the law Illegal!
    This is the alpha and omega of the law, otherwise the constitution and everything that follows can simply not give a damn !!!
  • carstorm 11
    carstorm 11 16 October 2020 01: 44 New
    -3
    so go to COURT! and not in crowds under incomprehensible flags under the direction of the telegrams of the channels and the aunt who stupidly ran away from her duty as a leader !!!
  • Revival
    Revival 16 October 2020 10: 59 New
    +4
    Go to the courts?
    It's funny))
    A sensible proposal, especially if the court is controlled by your opponent
  • Terrible GMO
    Terrible GMO 16 October 2020 01: 21 New
    +3
    Quote: Revival
    Bring the point where it is possible to use masks anonymously, without a uniform and in cars without license plates, drive and beat, grab people for the administrative office even

    And also to speak anonymously in court, which lasts five whole minutes.
  • g_ae
    g_ae 15 October 2020 21: 43 New
    +3
    Our zmagars, like Odessa thieves in the series "Liquidation", require compliance with the law only in relation to themselves. They themselves do not consider it necessary to observe it. They are for all good against all bad. Here in our vehicle, this rabble hung a flag on the fire escape. The vehicle was imposed a heavy fine for violation of fire safety rules. Do you think these activists took on some trouble? Svetka will give them all the same. Shchazzz! They wanted to spit on everyone. And according to the law, you can't do anything with them, since there is no direct evidence. And the chairman, at the expense of all tenants, is engaged in litigation, pays duties, goes around the court. And all this money goes to the vehicle. He has nothing else to do. And these utyrkam though henna. They create the atmosphere in the courtyard and post videos on here.by (the same garbage can).
  • Captan78
    Captan78 15 October 2020 23: 26 New
    -3
    I completely agree with you, on this bai our incredible well, just exceptionally peaceful, sing in chorus the magutny of God and the trap charapakh
  • Revival
    Revival 16 October 2020 00: 27 New
    +3
    "Here in our vehicle, this rabble hung a flag on the fire escape. The vehicle has been imposed a heavy fine for violating fire safety rules."

    So here everything is simple, you are just helpless in relation to both of them!)) Write further ...

    You are like a peasant and a knight in medieval france!
    But the element is nevertheless necessary for everyone, O.

    Write complaints, one about those others about these, well, according to the situation, you know.
  • g_ae
    g_ae 16 October 2020 07: 15 New
    +1
    Helpless, of course. Because I am a sane man in the street, like many others. And this is a mixture of organized crime groups and sects that are run by professionals, created using special technologies. And with such organized criminal groups, either another organized criminal group or the state can fight. The state is fighting, therefore it is also the enemy of the zmagarei. And somehow I don’t want to create an organized criminal group, and I don’t know how.
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 16 October 2020 06: 52 New
    -2
    Quote: g_ae
    Our zmagars, like Odessa thieves in the series "Liquidation", require compliance with the law only in relation to themselves.

    As always.
  • cmax
    cmax 16 October 2020 20: 14 New
    0
    Quote: g_ae
    Our zmagars, like Odessa thieves in the series "Liquidation", require compliance with the law only in relation to themselves. They themselves do not consider it necessary to observe it. They are for all good against all bad. Here in our vehicle, this rabble hung a flag on the fire escape. The vehicle was imposed a heavy fine for violation of fire safety rules. Do you think these activists took on some trouble? Svetka will give them all the same. Shchazzz! They wanted to spit on everyone. And according to the law, you can't do anything with them, since there is no direct evidence. And the chairman, at the expense of all tenants, is engaged in litigation, pays duties, goes around the court. And all this money goes to the vehicle. He has nothing else to do. And these utyrkam though henna. They create the atmosphere in the courtyard and post videos on here.by (the same garbage can).

    But people like you, not utyrki with "clean hands and a warm heart", balaclavas on their faces and clubs in their hands, prove the advantage of living in Belarusian Korea. Have you even read the constitution of the country who is in charge in the country - the people electing the president or the president who, together with one grandmother, drew 85%.
    1.Where are independent sociologists at the exit from polling stations,
    2. Where are the independent observers at the polling stations.
    3. Where are the hundreds of people who have applied for participation in election commissions, but who, I emphasize, not a single one were allowed there.
    4. Where did the early voting of 40% come from, which was so little written?
    5. Why was not a single observer allowed after the vote to count the results?
    5. Why did they not post the results protocols after the elections at the polling stations (although it is required by law)
    And so on and the like can be continued indefinitely. Where is your 85% on the street, at least once would be shown. Sharpie, you and who you like in power, the current one. Yes, they are zmagars and who are you. Yabatka!
  • g_ae
    g_ae 16 October 2020 20: 56 New
    0
    Yes, I don't give a damn about the elections! I'm not interested in these percentages. Take your slippers and go prove it. I don't need to prove anything. You are 97%. Slippers in the teeth and forward to the Drozdy. With a flag and a drum, all brothers in mind. ... Lukashenka does not live in our house. But I remember very well the film "Heart of a Dog" and how the professor spoke about such "activists" and singers. Harsh years are like. The house is lost if such figures are turned on. Like head lice. So far, I'm only demonstrating stupidity. This is such a strategy, probably the stupidity of Lukashenka to win a hundred times more stupidity. This weight is our zmagarstvo.
  • g_ae
    g_ae 16 October 2020 21: 27 New
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    You can at least draw a red stripe on your butt and show it to passers-by from balconies and drivers along the roads. And they will beep. The creative will be. Although 26 may be so. But only at your own expense. I don't want to pay for this festival of creativity and stupidity. Svetka threatens to pay you for the banquet.
  • cmax
    cmax 17 October 2020 17: 00 New
    +1
    Quote: g_ae
    You can at least draw a red stripe on your butt and show it to passers-by from balconies and drivers along the roads. And they will beep. The creative will be. Although 26 may be so. But only at your own expense. I don't want to pay for this festival of creativity and stupidity. Svetka threatens to pay you for the banquet.

    It is clear, you think that with your multi-vector you will have a bright future ahead. It seems to me that something like North Korea is waiting for you and people like you, the economy is falling even without demonstrations, the cat cried out for foreign exchange reserves (a measly 6 billion), external debts for more than 18 billion (with domestic for 24 billion dollars), stocks of unsold goods (which nobody needs) from 3 to 8 months of production, young people are leaving your paradise, GDP has been standing still for 10 years, about a salary of $ 500. also squeals for ten years at every meeting with the press. Your MAZ (15000 people) over the past year (a whole year) brought in profits as much as 20 million rubles ... 9 million dollars. This is a victory !!! I can add about MTZ, woodworking, construction, etc. This is the price of leadership for 26 years of indefatigable leadership. Thank you mother Russia helps us out with oil and gas, otherwise ........ So, you can get on your ass even (as you write) office. It will not help you to draw a flag and show it to you. A few more years of such victories in the economy and wake up asking for alms like Kisa Vorobyaninov.
  • g_ae
    g_ae 17 October 2020 17: 45 New
    -1
    I think that many will disagree with you. For example, here is the opinion of an independent expert.
  • cmax
    cmax 17 October 2020 18: 03 New
    +1
    Quote: g_ae
    I think that many will disagree with you. For example, here is the opinion of an independent expert.

    Everyone sees what he wants to see. I see other people who love Belarus and want it to be better here. I am amazed at you, do you really have no self-criticism. You see, you cannot help but see that the AHL has established a cult of personal power based on fear, threats, rudeness. The economy is falling and will continue to fall, no one in the country listens to economists, advisers, analysts. You probably have children, maybe grandchildren, what awaits them in this country further. If the country's constitution is the main law, why the presidential decrees are higher than the constitution. Why is the head of the Central Election Commission appointed by the president and how he can remain independent during elections. The judicial system is right who has more rights. Where are professionals in their fields, yes, I forgot they were replaced by ideologically verified personalities. But these are not professionals. You know the real state of the economy, maybe your feeder is better supplied. Then of course. I have relatives in Novogrudok - their food is 350 rubles. Will you live on this money? Well, everything will end as you want, it will be better in the country - we will continue to watch reports from the cowsheds, listen to advice on how best to harvest potatoes.
  • g_ae
    g_ae 17 October 2020 18: 23 New
    -1
    I see everything. I just do not understand how this shobla, who saddled the protest, and lives and works for foreign money (they don’t hide it) will do something worthwhile for the country. Who pays for the girl, he and that ... dances. President Svetka cannot but understand this, and if he understands, then such a chicken is needed. Teleprompter to read? And it is all the more incomprehensible why I have to pay for someone's political activity. Here zmagaram and violated my right.
    And then about Kisa Vorobyaninov. And who now dissects abroad and puffs out his cheeks? A whole kagal of brothers and sisters in mind.
  • cmax
    cmax 17 October 2020 18: 31 New
    +1
    Quote: g_ae
    I see everything. I just do not understand how this shobla, who saddled the protest, and lives and works for foreign money (they don’t hide it) will do something worthwhile for the country. Who pays for the girl, he and that ... dances. President Svetka cannot but understand this, and if he understands, then such a chicken is needed. Teleprompter to read? And it is all the more incomprehensible why I have to pay for someone's political activity. Here zmagaram and violated my right.

    Who brought Svetlana to the polls - you or me. You know the answer. Someone had to be smarter. Although it was clear from the situation who would win the elections with a fair vote. For me, Svetlana is not an ideal, HEXTA is not an ideal at all, but I would like the votes to be considered honest, and not Mr. Yermoshina! If I would honestly win the AHL - it means that it is so, I did not win - he is one citizen out of 9000000 people, there is a decent person. My acquaintances and neighbors also go to rallies; they receive nothing from anyone.
  • g_ae
    g_ae 17 October 2020 18: 49 New
    -1
    I repeat for the last time. I respect your civic position (or rather, I absolutely don't care). Walk and protest even until you blue in the face, if you have enough health. But I do not want to forcibly pay for your or those like you political activity. And I'm sure I'm not the only one. And I don’t need to wrap up about global injustice. Not convincing.
  • cmax
    cmax 17 October 2020 19: 01 New
    +1
    Quote: g_ae
    I repeat for the last time. I respect your civic position (or rather, I absolutely don't care). Walk and protest even until you blue in the face, if you have enough health. But I do not want to forcibly pay for your or those like you political activity. And I'm sure I'm not the only one. And I don’t need to wrap up about global injustice. Not convincing.

    There are not many of you, otherwise we would have seen you on the street. And I do not want to pay for all the residences of the AHL and his Wishlist, trips for "negotiations" to the emirates for 2 weeks with a whole code, his planes, allegedly donated cars, etc. Weapons, riot police cars, their batons, gas, their apartments, salaries. I don’t want to pay for the services of the DANA holding, the services of any sheikhs with mythical billions, the allocation of land to all his friends (Gutsiriev, for example) I don’t want to pay for delusional modernizations that are not supported by the calculations of professionals (they run around then don’t know where to sell sugar, plywood, potassium salts , for example).
    This concludes. When it becomes bad, the relocator runs out of money for you - write. In essence, you did not answer anything either to the elections or to everything else. The main thing was that they took money from you in the partnership. They've been taking it from us for 26 years now.
  • Sanichsan
    Sanichsan 17 October 2020 17: 18 New
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    Quote: g_ae
    You are 97%. Slippers in the teeth and forward to the Drozdy.

    non-cheaters can’t ... they don’t even get 10%. it's all of them from non-cheating about "all the people" are being driven! purely reflexively laughing
  • Sanichsan
    Sanichsan 17 October 2020 17: 16 New
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    Quote: cmax
    And so on and the like can be continued indefinitely. Where is your 85% on the street, at least once would be shown. Sharpie, you and who you like in power, the current one. Yes, they are zmagars and who are you. Yabatka!

    hey "neshuler", if you are there all for justice, then start from the beginning, with the first false referendum for secession. come on, demand fair zeroing. Or are you here for justice, but not there? well, non-cheater? wink
  • cmax
    cmax 17 October 2020 19: 08 New
    +2
    SanichSan I would be glad, but the peresedent will not allow. For 26 years he liked to lead, he is his own boss. You see how it rests, says - I am irreplaceable! Personally, I am for unification (I wrote this before), my wife is a Russian woman, the eldest daughter in Novosibirsk. Therefore, you correctly noted - I am a non-cheater!
  • Pilat2009
    Pilat2009 15 October 2020 11: 42 New
    +2
    Quote: carstorm 11
    and what any methods did Lukashenka use? drove protesters to the stadium and their corpses are loaded there in stacks? you are now trying to compare a hedgehog with a carrot and it does not work out well for you. as far as fabricated, you just need to prove it first and then protest and not vice versa.

    And how do you prove if the ballots are destroyed? And that it was not Lukashenka who transplanted all the presidential candidates? And people are not beaten in the pre-trial detention center? It is possible to prove falsification if the elections are held under the control of independent observers with the control of the counting of votes. By the way, 3 dead and dozens of missing do not care. they themselves are to blame
    1. Dart2027
      Dart2027 15 October 2020 11: 45 New
      -1
      Quote: Pilat2009
      it is possible to prove falsifications if elections are held under the control of independent observers

      From another planet or what? This is not a joke, because any others will be very addicted.
      1. Revival
        Revival 15 October 2020 14: 08 New
        +2
        Why did Lukashenka destroy the bellutes that prove his victory !?
        1. Dart2027
          Dart2027 15 October 2020 16: 54 New
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          Quote: Revival
          Why Lukashenka destroyed Belluteni

          According to the opposition.
          However, do not argue with the fact that any observers will be on someone's side.
        2. www3
          www3 15 October 2020 19: 13 New
          +2
          Quote: Dart2027
          Quote: Revival
          Why Lukashenka destroyed Belluteni

          According to the opposition.
          However, do not argue with the fact that any observers will be on someone's side.

          and the observer should be on whose side ????
          the observer's task is to fix violations !!!!!
        3. Dart2027
          Dart2027 15 October 2020 19: 30 New
          -3
          Quote: www3
          and the observer must be on someone's side

          What planet are you from?
          Quote: www3
          the observer's task is to record violations

          If people were what they should be, then we would live under communism.
        4. www3
          www3 15 October 2020 19: 35 New
          +4
          it looks like you have some kind of parallel reality.
          Tsiku was offered to be hung on camera sites, and at their own expense!
          but something cyc, this idea was not very pleasant.
        5. Dart2027
          Dart2027 15 October 2020 19: 41 New
          -3
          Quote: www3
          it looks like you have some kind of parallel reality

          That you are self-critical.
          Quote: www3
          Tsiku was offered to be hung on camera sites, and at their own expense!

          That is, it is not clear who puts some cameras and this is the legality of which you are so advocating? By the way, not even in all areas.
        6. www3
          www3 15 October 2020 19: 44 New
          +4
          Well, yes, they are such cameras ... should only be ideologically correct and from the right supplier. and then you understand, they hang cameras, and they suddenly start showing the wrong picture!
          no greatradak!
        7. Dart2027
          Dart2027 15 October 2020 19: 47 New
          -2
          Quote: www3
          well, yes, they are cameras ... they should only be ideologically correct and from the right supplier

          If elections are equipped with observation devices, this is done centrally, throughout the country and under the control of the CEC.
        8. www3
          www3 15 October 2020 20: 03 New
          +3
          for those who are in the tank - it was proposed to equip all areas !!!!!
          but the cycle answered - days are dumb!
        9. Dart2027
          Dart2027 16 October 2020 06: 57 New
          0
          Quote: www3
          for those in the tank

          The Central Election Commission of Belarus was offered to allow the installation of cameras at polling stations at the expense of Belarusians who express such a wish.
          Read more: https://news.tut.by/economics/695057.html
          Do you even know what you are writing about?
        10. Sanichsan
          Sanichsan 17 October 2020 17: 24 New
          0
          Quote: Dart2027
          Do you even know what you are writing about?

          not laughing he is not paid 5 euros for "thinking" laughing
    2. Sanichsan
      Sanichsan 17 October 2020 17: 23 New
      +1
      Quote: Dart2027
      If elections are equipped with observation devices, this is done centrally, throughout the country and under the control of the CEC.

      do not make me laugh laughing over there in Russia, plots are equipped with cameras, so what? just here one was telling a tearful story about carousels. Of course, no facts, but it once bothered them? never!
    3. Dart2027
      Dart2027 17 October 2020 17: 59 New
      0
      Quote: SanichSan
      Of course, no facts, but it once bothered them? never!

      I explain to the next smart guy that in any business there must be order, suddenly something will be deposited in my head.
  • Revival
    Revival 16 October 2020 00: 31 New
    +2
    That is, the cameras are biased, will they lie, even when two different observers look into one screen?
    Well, it's clear, it's clear with you ...
  • www3
    www3 15 October 2020 19: 32 New
    +1
    Quote: Dart2027
    Quote: Revival
    Why Lukashenka destroyed Belluteni

    According to the opposition.

    so Lukashenka won the elections on his own statements!
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 15 October 2020 19: 36 New
    -1
    Quote: www3
    so Lukashenka won the elections on his own statements!

    So what are you unhappy with?
  • www3
    www3 15 October 2020 19: 40 New
    +2
    so you are outraged by the protests!
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 15 October 2020 19: 48 New
    -2
    Quote: www3
    resent the protests

    So you started to protest, without knowing why.
  • Revival
    Revival 16 October 2020 00: 36 New
    +4
    And we are dissatisfied, as we will draw that in the basis only that in the basis only our own biased statements!
    BUT!
    And since your own statements are, by definition, the bottom, then they are the bottom the same for all parties, in fairness! So? So!
    Then you need a third-party expertise, here.
    So why are the cameras scared?
    A, clear.
    You at least read the rf gpk, for example, the party evading the examination, providing materials for its conduct, etc., is warned that the court has the right to recognize the conclusions not in its favor! Oh, how, objectively!
  • Revival
    Revival 16 October 2020 00: 09 New
    +2
    What is the opposition's statement? This is official information, do not pierce the bottom in your distortion!
    And do not be ridiculous about biased observers, a commission with an equal number of votes and machine counting is sufficient for a convincing result and knocking out the lion's share of counter-arguments
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 16 October 2020 07: 04 New
    -1
    Quote: Revival
    And do not be ridiculous about biased observers, a commission with an equal number of votes and machine counting is sufficient for a convincing result and knocking out the lion's share of counter-arguments

    And in Russian?
    Quote: Revival
    This is official information, do not break the bottom in your distortion

    I've inquired, but found only links to the opposition. And, by the way, the destruction of paper is easily and naturally carried out with special office equipment, and with a guarantee of the result, which the opposition is not aware of.
  • carstorm 11
    carstorm 11 15 October 2020 12: 34 New
    -2
    exactly ... but you can also like Tikhanovskaya. run around Europe and just tell everyone that she won. they generally take her word for it) to beat her does not mean torture. these are essentially different things. you practically say that your security forces are sadists and just for fun they do it. and they can give in the face in any jail in the world. I do not believe people who follow a housewife running away from the country she wants to lead and who are controlled by a pancake channel on a cart, registered in Poland. Belarus is not a stranger to me and I don’t want it to be red and white.
    1. www3
      www3 15 October 2020 13: 07 New
      +1
      Quote: carstorm 11
      to beat is not to torture. these are essentially different things. you practically say that your security forces are sadists and just for fun they do it. and they can give in the face in any jail in the world. I do not believe people who follow a housewife running away from the country she wants to lead and who are controlled by a pancake channel on a cart, registered in Poland. Belarus is not a stranger to me and I don’t want it to be red and white.


      to give in the face during the arrest, not a question, BUT to bruise people in IVS is too much!
      After the recent events, I do not even have doubts about the stories that the truncheons were thrust into people "where in where."
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 15 October 2020 13: 17 New
        0
        I'm not asking you to stop believing) this is your business and your right. like mine not to take this nonsense seriously.
      2. www3
        www3 15 October 2020 13: 24 New
        +4
        Quote: carstorm 11
        I'm not asking you to stop believing) this is your business and your right. like mine not to take this nonsense seriously.

        the question is not whether you believe it or not! the question is - why project publicly your faith while being hundreds of kilometers from Minsk and watching Skabeev and Solovov and others like them on TV?
        and call information from people living in Belarus nonsense. I can assure you - Belarus is a small village where everything becomes very well known, of course, passing through a few hands, the information is embellished, but ...
      3. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 15 October 2020 13: 32 New
        -1
        I didn't go this year because of quarantine. and so at least twice a year I go to Gomel and Minsk. in the spring, when the chestnuts are blooming, and from Spartacus you can sit on a bench or just take a walk. my mother has three sisters and a brother. my father has two brothers, all from there. mom from Besyad if you know what kind of village it is. I took my father there and buried him next to my grandfather and brother. so no need to tell me something.
      4. www3
        www3 15 October 2020 13: 38 New
        +1
        that's bad luck, but I live in Minsk all the time))
      5. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 15 October 2020 13: 44 New
        +2
        I'm happy for you. does it somehow change the fact that I have enough information and opportunities to get it? that the crowd of my relatives do not agree with you. and everything that happens annoys them. Well, you protest if you want. I personally do not interfere with this. get a red and white flag if you ride. litvinize. in short, whatever your heart desires.
      6. www3
        www3 15 October 2020 13: 55 New
        +1
        there is a kind of collective unconscious opinion, and it is always on the side of truth and justice - this is the opinion of the people. on which side it will swing - that will win. history clearly shows this. that's why you can't ignore the people - you can end your life on the scaffold.
      7. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 15 October 2020 14: 05 New
        +4
        Yes of course. Tikhanovskaya is truth and justice for Belarus) with a manifesto from her comrades-in-arms that everyone saw) forward and with a song.
      8. Dart2027
        Dart2027 15 October 2020 17: 10 New
        0
        Quote: www3
        there is a kind of collective unconscious opinion, and it is always on the side of truth and justice - this is the opinion of the people

        Has the mysticism gone already? What's next?
  • Sanichsan
    Sanichsan 17 October 2020 17: 36 New
    -1
    Quote: www3
    the question is not whether you believe it or not! the question is - why project publicly your faith while being hundreds of kilometers from Minsk and watching Skabeev and Solovov and others like them on TV?

    olo face wincheg !!! are you not lost ??? it's you here on the Russian site, not us on your fraudulent opposition Polish! and why Minsk with a little one? the trolls have completely lost their shame!
    Quote: www3
    and call information from people living in Belarus nonsense. I can assure you - Belarus is a small village where everything becomes very well known, of course, passing through a few hands, the information is embellished, but ...

    living in Бeelorussia, ukrainian shameless! with a capital letter. with a little you will write your Ukraine.
  • Revival
    Revival 15 October 2020 14: 34 New
    +3
    Who should care if you or I want a hundred?
    Only Belarusians can decide this for themselves. Right or wrong
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 15 October 2020 14: 36 New
      +1
      but this does not prevent me or you from having your own opinion on what is happening?)
  • Sanichsan
    Sanichsan 17 October 2020 17: 20 New
    0
    Quote: Pilat2009
    it is possible to prove falsifications if elections are held under the control of independent observers with control over the counting of votes.

    independent, is it from the EU that openly and financially supports the unrest? belay
  • www3
    www3 15 October 2020 12: 12 New
    +3
    so in the Armed Forces provided evidence with falsification of as many as 25 volumes !!!
    and what do you think the sun answered ???
    independent observers were taken away from the polling stations for a day.
    and the coolest thing is, when the votes for the nomination of presidential candidates were counted, some of them got more than they collected themselves))
    and they could not even clearly explain how it happened))
  • cmax
    cmax 15 October 2020 22: 00 New
    +2
    Quote: carstorm 11
    and what any methods did Lukashenka use? drove protesters to the stadium and their corpses are loaded there in stacks? you are now trying to compare a hedgehog with a carrot and it does not work out well for you. as far as fabricated, you just need to prove it first and then protest and not vice versa.
    How stubborn you are however. Here are people in the thousands and take to the streets to prove it. As for the stadium, if it were around 1970, you would have had a stadium packed with people from the AHL. He's in trouble, the digital age has come with smartphones. You have to control yourself a little.
    1. Sanichsan
      Sanichsan 17 October 2020 17: 39 New
      -1
      Quote: cmax
      Here are people in the thousands and go out into the streets to prove it.

      all two three? in Belarus?
      1. cmax
        cmax 17 October 2020 17: 40 New
        +1
        Quote: SanichSan
        Quote: cmax
        Here are people in the thousands and go out into the streets to prove it.

        all two three? in Belarus?

        I didn't quite understand what you wanted to say by that!
        1. Sanichsan
          Sanichsan 17 October 2020 17: 46 New
          0
          Are you trying to create the appearance of a mass protest here or what? so it was much less than in France 2 years came out and what? going out and going out. what of this insignificant minority other than concern for others?
  • Cube123
    Cube123 15 October 2020 08: 34 New
    +6
    Quote: Pilat2009
    if Lukashenka fabricated the election results, then he also committed unconstitutional actions. Or, more simply, a crime

    The keyword "if". No one has yet been able to prove this, and in the absence of evidence, "casting a shadow over the fence" is a typical method of propaganda, not politics.
    1. Revival
      Revival 15 October 2020 14: 37 New
      +1
      The key word "why?"
      Why did the Sun ignore the evidence presented, why the observers, including were not allowed to the polling stations, were even arrested?
      So that Lukashenka’s victory isn’t registered !?
    2. Garris199
      Garris199 16 October 2020 14: 36 New
      +1
      And where is the evidence that the protesters are "Sorosets", "Fosterlings of the West", "unemployed paid idlers"? Isn't this propaganda?
    3. Garris199
      Garris199 16 October 2020 18: 42 New
      +1
      https://news.tut.by/society/704206.html
      Audio recording of the conversation of the MAZ election commission members.
  • saigon
    saigon 15 October 2020 10: 55 New
    +3
    Dmitry, I actually compared Lukashenko with Allende, but not with Pinochet.
    It was President Allende who defended his palace with a machine gun, and the multi-vector one ponted behind the backs of the troops with AKSuha.
  • Revival
    Revival 15 October 2020 13: 29 New
    +2
    And why is the election of oneself imprisoning all others not a "coup"?
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 15 October 2020 06: 33 New
    +5
    Michael: You don't know Chile well. There are also growing protests. And you shouldn't praise this bastard. He was tried. But they treated him very gently. What did the common people get from his dictatorship? Absolutely nothing.
    1. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 15 October 2020 06: 56 New
      -5
      Quote: nikvic46
      Michael: You don't know Chile well. There are also growing protests. And you shouldn't praise this bastard. He was tried. But they treated him very gently. What did the common people get from his dictatorship? Absolutely nothing.

      Well, you did not understand my sarcasm. In Chile, thousands of people went missing, thousands were imprisoned because they disagreed. The regime existed for 20 years. Then a comrade calls on to beat with sticks from the heart, apparently loves his and the Belarusian people
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 15 October 2020 07: 25 New
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        where have you seen the calls? sorry, but only you are responsible for your fantasies. as for thrashing there are hundreds of corpses? otherwise, in Kiev, the police and riot police just stood there and there were a hundred corpses organized. is it better in your opinion? we just have two examples. in one, the inaction of the security forces and a mountain of corpses in the other gave in the ass and there are a hundred times less of them. in my opinion the answer is quite obvious even statistically.
  • Oprichnik
    Oprichnik 16 October 2020 02: 11 New
    -3
    Learn history Michael. Pinochet, albeit harshly, put things in order and raised the economy of Chile with his reforms, which Allende was destroying with his toothless demopolitics and fear of offending anyone.
  • anjey
    anjey 15 October 2020 05: 33 New
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    This is completely normal, because those at the top of the food chain don't need protest.
    Absolutely all countries of the World are suitable for this ideology of protest, so there is no need for an unhealthy excitement around Belarus, the States and France were shocked and everyone calmed down, neither Macron nor Trump resigned, so Old Man will remain in his place, order in the state will establish him duty, who would not want and say what.
  • Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 15 October 2020 05: 35 New
    0
    Yeah, Putin promised, but to pay for everything to the people of Russia. This is a protest for the sake of protest, Lukashenka leave, and who will come? The West is moving its Tikhanovskaya, it turns out they are for her and the protest is purely pro-Western.
  • Same lech
    Same lech 15 October 2020 05: 38 New
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    I look at the protestors ... everyone is well fed, shod, dressed ... there are no emaciated faces worn out by the damned Lukashenka regime and the money is for protests from somewhere ... Comrade Lukashenko is not working well ... introduce your people to all levels of protestants from from the bottom to the top .... they must lead the protests in the key necessary for the authorities.
    It is better to manage the opposition's protest by yourself than to be swept away by this opposition.
    Specialists of the orange revolutions from the United States have mastered this technology to perfection ... Comrade Skomorokhov will not let you lie.
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 15 October 2020 05: 42 New
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      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      everyone is well fed

      Lech, how do you know?
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      shod, dressed

      Yes, there is even a loot for muzzles. fellow
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 15 October 2020 05: 47 New
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        everyone is well fed

        Lech, how do you know?

        Well, Vladimir, judge for yourself ... to run in ranks of protestors for hours in cold weather and then fight with the Belarusian riot police ... there is no place for weaklings ... you can't do this on an empty stomach. smile
        Therefore, I am absolutely sure that in the crowd of these protestors you can find many guests from Poland and Ukraine who have considerable experience of such illegal actions.
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 15 October 2020 05: 50 New
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          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          to run for hours in ranks of protestors and then even fight with the Belarusian riot police ... there is no place for weaklings ... you cannot do this on an empty stomach.

          And when the Muscovites overthrew the GKChP, their shops were really empty. crying
          1. Same lech
            Same lech 15 October 2020 05: 52 New
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            And when the Muscovites overthrew the GKChP, their shops were really empty.

            Well, they were running around with bags and string bags ... each loaf of bread and kusman sausages with a bottle of kefir .... there were times when you remember so you shudder.
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 15 October 2020 05: 57 New
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              Quote: The same LYOKHA
              there were times as you remember, you shudder.

              Once I went to a dairy store, and there was no milk or butter, Alenka's chocolate was spread out on all the counters. Here I was neighing. By the way, I know of one type, he applied to the registry office to get two boxes of vodka in the salon of the newlyweds.
        2. Pessimist22
          Pessimist22 15 October 2020 05: 56 New
          +6
          I also think that this is a purely pro-Western protest.
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 15 October 2020 08: 08 New
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            Quote: Pessimist22
            I also think that this is a purely pro-Western protest.

            That's right, I support your opinion. We all remember how they bombed Yugoslavia, what kind of massacre there was, Ukraine did not have to be persuaded for a long time, Georgia and Armenia were taken on their Caucasian mentality, then in Belarus they have already followed a more advanced path "Method of nonviolent resistance". International imperialism is learning from its mistakes, and so far it succeeds.
        3. Asad
          Asad 15 October 2020 05: 57 New
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          Do you think that EVERYTHING in the square is for money?
          1. Same lech
            Same lech 15 October 2020 06: 02 New
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            Do you think that EVERYTHING in the square is for money?

            Well, if we count in percentage terms, let's first break down the chain of protestors in detail and look at each link separately, starting from the leaders of the protests and ending with an individual citizen of Belarus ... I'm sure we'll see an amazing picture ... if we look at this whole section under a magnifying glass.
            1. Deck
              Deck 15 October 2020 06: 31 New
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              Well, if we count in percentage terms, let's first break down the chain of protestors in detail and look at each link separately, starting from the leaders of the protests and ending with an individual citizen of Belarus ... I'm sure we'll see an amazing picture ... if we look at this whole section under a magnifying glass.


              What intricate fantasies you have. Only there is no evidence and will not be. So blah blah.
              But the beefy ghouls in masks are worth a look. The modest ones probably hide their faces, they don't want the people to torture them with gratitude. Something Soviet militiamen did not have masks. It is curious to look at Aniskin in a mask and with a baton. Maybe because the people were defended and proud of it? And not money for the blood of citizens. Rosgvardia will soon have to form a native division; Riga riot police, Ukrainian golden eagle, now Minsk riot police.
              1. Same lech
                Same lech 15 October 2020 06: 45 New
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                What intricate fantasies you have. Only there is no evidence and will not be.

                Under Comrade Stalin, I would quickly find you evidence ... and there would be witnesses, and I would organize a show trial at all levels of government ... it’s too bad everything is neglected there ... the opposition has completely lost its fear.
                And under the current government, all that remains is to fantasize.
              2. Dart2027
                Dart2027 15 October 2020 06: 52 New
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                Quote: Deck
                Something Soviet militiamen did not have masks.

                And what does the police have to do with it? In the USSR, these "lovers of freedom" would be dealt with by the NKVD, and in such a way that the Belarusian militia can only be envious.
                1. Revival
                  Revival 15 October 2020 13: 34 New
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                  And what was the NKVD hiding in masks?
                  1. Dart2027
                    Dart2027 15 October 2020 16: 50 New
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                    Quote: Revival
                    And that the NKVD was hiding in masks

                    They worked in such a way that from the mere mention of them, the fans of democracy knocked out their teeth with a tap. And if they got down to business now, the riots would have ended in a week, along with the dissatisfied.
                    1. Revival
                      Revival 16 October 2020 00: 00 New
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                      So I ask, are they wearing masks or not, or were they hiding in fear?
                      1. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 16 October 2020 07: 05 New
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                        Quote: Revival
                        So I ask, masked or not
                        And I answer
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        And if they got down to business now, the riots would have ended in a week, along with the dissatisfied.
                      2. Revival
                        Revival 16 October 2020 13: 06 New
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                        Is your chtoli stuck?
                        I ask whether they were hiding in masks cowardly or not?
                      3. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 16 October 2020 15: 06 New
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                        Quote: Revival
                        Is your chtoli stuck?

                        Self-critical.
                        Quote: Revival
                        I'm asking

                        And I answer
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        They worked in such a way that from the mere mention of them, the fans of democracy knocked out their teeth with a tap. And if they got down to business now, the riots would have ended in a week, along with the dissatisfied.
                      4. Revival
                        Revival 16 October 2020 15: 20 New
                        0
                        Clearly, the drain is counted
                      5. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 16 October 2020 15: 24 New
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                        Quote: Revival
                        draining counted

                        The fact that you have nothing to say other than empty slogans and lies has long been known.
                      6. Revival