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Stalinist deportations of peoples through the eyes of the executive general

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In the Soviet Union, before the war, social classes were subjected to deportation, the "class alien population" was evicted, and during the war, the enemy peoples were already deported, accused by Stalin of total betrayal.


In total, 12 peoples were deported, who lost their native land, and many of their national-territorial autonomies. Within a few days, hundreds of thousands of people, escorted by the NKVD troops, were sent in echelons to remote regions of the country, as a rule, to Siberia or Central Asia.

Stalin was no exception. In 1940, with the outbreak of World War II, Great Britain interned 74 Germans, and 120 Japanese were taken to the United States to internment camps.

General Serov, who was then the deputy head of the NKVD and who frankly described these processes in his diary (not so long ago discovered), was also involved in most of the Soviet deportations. Interesting is the view of a person who directly organized the resettlement of peoples at the command of state bodies.

The deportation of the "class alien population" in 1939-1941 was carried out after the annexation of Western Ukraine, Western Belarus, Bessarabia and the Baltic countries.

This was not an initiative of local leaders, everything was formalized by resolutions of the Politburo and Decrees of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet, the executors were the NKVD organs. Deportation operations were seriously prepared, covertly compiled lists of evicted persons indicating their locations, trains were prepared and unexpectedly for one or several days they were detained, loaded into wagons and sent to places of exile.

Deportation from Western Ukraine, Western Belarus and Bessarabia


Soviet troops entered Western Ukraine and Western Belarus only on September 17, when the Polish government had already emigrated. The Polish army did not offer resistance, but there were skirmishes in the cities, since not everyone agreed with the introduction of the Red Army and were angry, moreover, in that turmoil, the soldiers of the Red Army often began skirmishes. During this campaign, the losses from the Soviet side were 1475 people, from the Polish - 3500 dead.

By order of the NKVD, it was ordered to organize operational groups on the ground and take measures to detain officers, heads of local authorities, police chiefs, border guards, voivods, members of the White Guard, emigre and monarchist parties, as well as persons exposed in organizing political excesses.

In total, as a result of the operation, 240-250 thousand Polish soldiers, border guards, police officers, gendarmes, and prison guards were arrested. Most of the soldiers and non-commissioned officers were soon released, some 21 officers were sent to Katyn, the rest to camps on the territory of the USSR.

Repressions also affected their relatives, Beria signed on March 7, 1940, an order to evict all family members previously arrested for 10 years to the regions of the Kazakh SSR. The operation was carried out simultaneously in all cities, the evicted were allowed to take up to 100 kg of things per person, the deportees were escorted to the railway station for loading into wagons. In total, in Western Ukraine and Belarus, there were about 25 thousand families, almost 100 thousand people. All their real estate, property and assets were confiscated as state revenue. During the pre-war period, the forces of the NKVD carried out four massive waves of deportation of "socially alien" Poles. For example, in February 1940, in two days, an operation was carried out to evict 95 "siege" - Polish military participants in the Soviet-Polish war of 314, who received land allotments there.

Also, in order to combat the intensified Bandera underground in May 1940, they were arrested and sent into exile for a settlement in remote regions of the USSR for a period of 20 years with the confiscation of property of 11 members of the Bandera families.

When Bessarabia and Northern Bukovina were annexed in June 1940, captured by Romania in 1918, by an agreement between the USSR and Germany, the German population from the south of Bessarabia (about 100 thousand people) and from Northern Bukovina (about 14 thousand) was resettled to Germany, and to the liberated territories were brought in by the population from Ukraine. Before the war on June 13, 1941, in one night, at the same time, an operation was carried out in many places to deport about 29 "socially alien" Moldovans.

Deportation in Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia


After the incorporation of Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia into the Soviet Union in the summer of 1940, the armies of these states were transformed into rifle corps as part of the Red Army. However, under the leadership of their officers, they resisted taking the oath, in this regard, it was decided to disarm and deport all Lithuanian, Latvian and Estonian officers.

Disarming the officers turned out to be not such an easy task; special operations had to be developed. Estonian officers were invited to a meeting, announced the decision of the Estonian government to disband the Estonian army and offered to surrender weapon... At the exit, their pistols were confiscated and sent by cars to the station to be sent deep into the territory of the USSR. The Lithuanian officers were taken to the forest, as it were, for exercises, and there they were disarmed and deported, and the Latvians were gathered, explained about the need for disarmament, and they obeyed.

Before the war, in 1941, it was decided to arrest former police officers, landowners, manufacturers, Russian emigrants and send them to camps for a period of 58 years with confiscation of their property, their family members exiled to a settlement in remote regions of the Soviet Union for a period of 20 years. As a result of this deportation, 9156 people were deported from Estonia, about 17500 from Lithuania and 15 from Latvia.

Deportation of the Volga Germans


The reason for the deportation of the Volga Germans, where they had historically settled since the time of Catherine II, was the possibility of a strike of the Volga Germans in the rear of the Red Army, and the reason for Stalin was a coded message from the command of the Southern Front on August 3, 1941, which reported: “Military operations on The Dniester was shown that the German population was firing from windows and vegetable gardens at our retreating troops ... The incoming Nazi troops in the German countryside on August 1, 1941 met with bread and salt. "

In August, the GKO decree and the Decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Council were adopted on the mass eviction of the Volga Germans to Siberia and Kazakhstan, and at the same time the autonomous Volga Germans were abolished. The decree on the eviction stated, without evidence, that among the German population living in the Volga region, there were saboteurs and spies who, upon a signal from Germany, were to carry out explosions and other acts of sabotage.

As a result of a well-prepared operation in the period from September 3 to 20, 438,7 thousand Volga Germans were taken out to Siberia and Kazakhstan, the bulk of them were deported within one day. The eviction of the Germans took place without excesses, they meekly fulfilled the order, left their homes and went into exile.

When Serov drove through the villages abandoned by the Germans, he was amazed at the order and grooming that existed in them: there were good houses, herds of well-fed and well-fed cows, sheep, horses walked, hay was harvested in barns and heaps, wheat was harvested in the fields. It all looked somehow unnatural, people had to leave it all and leave their homes.

In parallel with the deportation of the Volga Germans, deportations of the German population from other regions began: from Moscow, Rostov, Crimea, the Caucasus, Zaporozhye, Voronezh, for example, from the Crimea, about 60 thousand Crimean Germans were deported under the guise of evacuation into the interior of the country. By October 1941, 856 Germans had been deported.

Deportation of Karachais, Balkars and Kalmyks


The reason for the deportation of the Karachais was their complicity with the Germans during the occupation, the creation of the Karachay National Committee and the presence of gangs supported by the population after the liberation from the Germans. Since February 1943, the activities of the Karachai anti-Soviet underground intensified in this liberated territory, and Serov led the KGB operations to eliminate them. In the first half of 1943 alone, 65 gangs were eliminated here.

In accordance with the decree of the State Defense Committee and the Decree of the PVS, the Karachai autonomy was liquidated. The eviction of the Karachais was carried out on November 2, 1943, and it was Serov who was instructed to carry out the deportation. The operation was carried out in one day, as a result 68 Karachais were deported.

In February 1944, preparations began for the deportation of the Balkars, which was officially substantiated by the facts of their participation in collaborationist formations, aiding the Germans in the seizure of the Caucasus passes, the creation of an anti-Soviet underground and the presence of a large number of bandit formations on the territory of the Kabardino-Balkarian autonomy. As of May 1943, 44 anti-Soviet gangs were active in the republic, actively cooperating with the Germans and receiving weapons and food from them. In accordance with the decree of the State Defense Committee and the Decree of the PVS, a special operation was carried out on the territory of the republic on March 8-9, as a result of which 37 Balkars were deported.

The reason for the deportation of the Kalmyks was also the too active mass cooperation of the population with the Germans during the occupation, active opposition to bandit formations to Soviet troops after the liberation of Kalmykia in 1943, as well as the desertion of the Kalmyk cavalry division and the transition to the Germans in 1941.

In 1943, Stalin was reported from the front that Kalmyk squadrons from the division that had gone over to the Germans were strongly hampering successful actions in the Rostov direction, and asked to eliminate these bandit formations. Indeed, the former hero of the Civil War, the cavalryman Gorodovikov, a Kalmyk by nationality, in a patriotic impulse in 1941 proposed to Stalin to form a Kalmyk cavalry division, and when he returned to Moscow, it soon became known that the division, almost in full force, went over to the side of the Germans.

On the territory of Kalmykia, after the retreat of the Germans, up to 50 armed bands from among the former legionaries of the Kalmyk cavalry corps formed by the Germans actively operated and were supported by the population. During 1943, they carried out armed raids and plundered military carts going to the front, killed soldiers and officers, raided collective farms and Soviet institutions, and terrorized the population. During the operations of the NKVD troops under the leadership of Serov, armed resistance was suppressed, the gangs were destroyed. In December 1944, the Kalmyk autonomy was abolished by the decree of the State Defense Committee and the Decree of the PVS. On December 28-29, 1944, Serov carried out Operation Ulus to deport Kalmyks, as a result of which 93 people were deported to Siberia.

Deportation of Chechens and Ingush


The deportation of the Chechens and Ingush had to be organized most seriously, since the armed anti-Soviet resistance was well organized in the Chechen-Ingush autonomy. The GKO decree in January 1944 and the PVS Decree of March 7, 1944 abolished the Chechen-Ingush autonomy, and the entire population of the republic "for complicity with the fascist invaders" was subject to deportation to Central Asia.

Operation "Lentil" was personally led by Beria, it took place from February 23 to March 9, the general leadership was entrusted to Serov. Back in the fall of 1942, he took part in the defense of Vladikavkaz and had the opportunity to be convinced of the existence of an extremist underground in Chechen-Ingushetia, mainly deserters and criminal elements. When the Germans, it seemed, were about to take the Caucasus, the Chechen rebels took up arms, anti-Soviet uprisings, coordinated by a certain Provisional People's Revolutionary Government of Chechnya, arose in almost all mountainous regions.

As the front line approached, the situation intensified noticeably, gangs in contact with German agents began to operate actively in the mountains. From the middle of 1942, German agents began to drop by parachutes to communicate with the rebels, until August 1943, the NKVD recorded the deployment of at least 8 sabotage teams. Several officers, led by a colonel, were deployed to the mountains, whose task was to organize a sabotage detachment of 200-300 people from the Chechens and Ingush and, at the right time, strike in the rear and occupy Grozny.

The situation in Grozny was alarming, the command did not trust the Chechens, they brazenly walked around the city and threatened to kill the Russians when the Germans arrived. There were cases of attacks and murders of soldiers. At the same time, the overwhelming majority of Chechens and Ingush called up to the front fought heroically, among them were the heroes of the Soviet Union. The activities of the underground did not stop, in 1944 the bandit formations continued to operate and were supported by the population.

Operation "Lentil" was thoroughly prepared, under the guise of exercises "in the highlands" up to 100 thousand troops and up to 19 thousand NKVD operatives were brought together. Troops and operatives were distributed across sectors, well-instructed on how to act quickly and decisively. The operation took place in one day, by the evening everything was over, for some time then in the mountains they searched for and deported those who had managed to escape.

On this day, the evicted were especially hostile, on the streets the Russians smiled and shook their fists at those leaving. During the eviction, there were several cases of clashes and shooting at soldiers and officers of the NKVD troops, while 2016 people were arrested who tried to resist or flee. By evening, all the trains had been sent, they had 475 thousand deported.

Deportation of Crimean Tatars


The reason for the deportation of the Crimean Tatars was also their active cooperation with the German invaders, support for the activities of the "Tatar national committees" created with the assistance of the Germans, assistance to Tatar military formations, punitive and police detachments. The number of Tatar military formations subordinate to the Germans was about 19 thousand people, including 4 thousand armed self-defense units. They took an active part in punitive operations against partisans and civilians.

Civilians told with horror how the Tatars committed atrocities, how they finished off the surrounded defenders of Sevastopol, even the Germans and Romanians seemed to be decent people compared to them. No one doubted the mass betrayal of the Tatars, too many facts testified to this.

Serov with a brigade of operatives arrived in Simferopol at the end of April 1944, when the southern coast of Crimea and Sevastopol were still in the hands of the Germans. Their tasks were to identify the traitors and arrest them, determine the number of the remaining Tatars and their places of residence for subsequent deportation, which was supposed to be carried out as soon as possible. They also had to determine the number of Armenians, Greeks and Bulgarians. In the course of their work, they found out that the Armenians actively cooperated with the Tatars, and the Greeks and Bulgarians practically did not take part in the atrocities. The Tatars were included in the lists for deportation, and on May 11, 1944, by a decree of the State Defense Committee, Tatar autonomy was abolished and the Tatars were deported for treason and brutal reprisals against Soviet partisans. From May 18 to May 20, 193 thousand Tatars were sent by train to the places of exile.

Beria insisted on the expulsion of more Armenians, Greeks and Bulgarians "for an active struggle against partisans", on June 2 an additional GKO decree on their expulsion was issued, and 36 thousand Armenians, Greeks and Bulgarians were also deported.
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  1. Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 16 October 2020 06: 02 New
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    That's who will betray us again, that's who fought in the Crimea with the Pratizans. I think that the Germans were unreasonably deported and the Koreans were not mentioned, they were sent from the Far East to Asia. That's how they settled Kazakhstan.
    1. Far B
      Far B 16 October 2020 06: 30 New
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      I think that the Germans were unreasonably deported and it was not said about the Koreans, they were sent from the Far East to Asia
      Why is it groundless if the war was with Germany? Where is the guarantee that the ancestral memory will not wake up in them and they will not stab our troops in the back? By the way, the article contains encryption, so there were grounds for concern.
      The story is the same with the Koreans: there is a high probability of war with Japan, plus the love of the Japanese command for sabotage. Removed, as they say, away from sin.
      By the way, they were quite decently evicted - not to camps, as the Americans did to their Japanese, but to settlements.
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 16 October 2020 06: 47 New
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        because there was no reason. but the logic of these actions is quite clear and could hardly be otherwise. it would be foolish to assume that in the conditions of the war with Germany, the Germans would be left in the rear. but the Germans have lived in Russia for centuries and served her. like my family who moved to Russia in the 18th century. and there simply could not be a massive betrayal. they were distinguished by the fact that they did not forget their culture and developed it. studied their language and traditions. the story with the Japanese after the outbreak of their war with the states is very similar. the entire population of Japanese origin was simply herded into camps.
        1. Far B
          Far B 16 October 2020 06: 53 New
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          because there was no reason
          And if you try to read the article carefully?
          The reason for the deportation of the Volga Germans ... was the possibility of a strike of the Volga Germans in the rear of the Red Army, and the reason for Stalin was an encrypted message from the command of the Southern Front on August 3, 1941, in which it was reported: “The military operations on the Dniester showed that the German population was firing from windows and vegetable gardens on our withdrawing troops…. The entering German-fascist troops in the German village on August 1, 1941 met with bread and salt "
          Is this insufficient reason? Have you heard anything about preventive measures?
          1. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 16 October 2020 06: 59 New
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            it is a made-up justification for these actions. not necessary at all. you understand, I know everything about it from the first lips of those who were overpowered. found many alive. the Germans, even before the beginning of all this, knew what would happen and understood that something would be done to them. and it was not our authorities who blamed it at all, but Hitler. that's why they left quietly. because they accepted it and humbled themselves. you shouldn't have denigrated these people then. there was no need for it. I agreed with you about the measures. it could not be otherwise.
            1. Far B
              Far B 16 October 2020 07: 15 New
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              this is a made up justification for these actions
              This is not an excuse, but a reason. Can you catch the difference? There is nothing to justify, even your ancestors, as you yourself confirm, understood:
              blamed not at all our authorities and Hitler. that's why they left quietly. because they accepted it and resigned themselves
              1. carstorm 11
                carstorm 11 16 October 2020 07: 20 New
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                I do not deny that the basis. just fictional. I also did not offer to make excuses. the Germans do not need this. that German diaspora no longer exists.
        2. apro
          apro 16 October 2020 07: 08 New
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          Quote: carstorm 11
          because there was no reason.

          What is Volkdeutsch talking about? The Nazis did not consider the Soviets as people, but they considered the Germans as their own, and they counted on them. They were ready citizens of the Reich, according to German racial laws.
          1. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 16 October 2020 07: 13 New
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            they could count as they liked. only a German does not mean a fascist. and those who lived in the Union then were such Soviet people as others. and lived there for 200 years. and never betrayed their home and country. of course you can find a few freaks but they are compared to most units. error. no need to insult my ancestors just on the grounds that they were born Germans.
            1. apro
              apro 16 October 2020 07: 20 New
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              I have a positive attitude towards Soviet Germans on the basis of life experience.
              Quote: carstorm 11
              they could count as they liked

              But in ambiguous situations, forks are possible ... if the communist commissar of the nqvdist is unambiguously an expense, then more loyal methods can be applied to some categories and a privileged position can be created. And this can give a result. In wartime requires unambiguous decisions
              1. carstorm 11
                carstorm 11 16 October 2020 07: 22 New
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                Among the first, the aggressor was met by the defenders of the Brest Fortress - regiment commander Major A. Dulkite, Lieutenant Colonel of the Medical Service E. Kroll, Lieutenant Colonel G. Schmidt, Senior Lieutenant A. Wagenleitner, Sergeant Major V. Meyer, privates N. Küng, G. Killing, 3. Miller and others. Sergeant Major V. Meyer during the battles led the defense of one of the compartments of the barracks of the Brest Fortress. When Hitler's plane scattered leaflets demanding surrender, Meyer collected a whole pack of them and drew a pig's face on each, and at the bottom in German he wrote in large letters: "There is no fascist pig in our Soviet vegetable garden." An enemy fire struck him at the moment when he tried to help his wounded colleagues. Vyacheslav Eduardovich Meyer was posthumously awarded the Order of the Patriotic War, 2nd degree.
                you mean these forks, right?
                1. apro
                  apro 16 October 2020 07: 31 New
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                  And these too. And also to the organization among the Soviet Germans by the forces of Nazi structures to oppose the Soviet authorities.
                  1. carstorm 11
                    carstorm 11 16 October 2020 07: 42 New
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                    well, by itself. the same could only be among the Germans. among the Russians this was not at all. Let's just remember the names of the traitors Russian and then Soviet Germans? for one Richter there is Vlasov. Malyshkin Bogdanov. Trukhin. I understand why my ancestors were deported and probably did the same. it is logical and understandable. I do not understand why the whole people should be denigrated because of their nationality without guilt. deportation alone is not enough?
                    1. apro
                      apro 16 October 2020 08: 43 New
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                      Quote: carstorm 11
                      I do not understand why the whole people should be denigrated because of their nationality without guilt. deportation alone is not enough?

                      Who exactly denigrates? Me not.
                      In that situation, if the Nazis won, the chances of surviving the Soviet share of percent. They were threatened with genocide with the Soviet Germans is not so dramatic.
                      1. carstorm 11
                        carstorm 11 16 October 2020 08: 59 New
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                        To denigrate this to suspect a whole nation with what he did not do, simply by his nationality. Construct hypotheses on this topic. You do not want to understand that the Volga Germans are not the Germans who lived in Hitler's Germany. These people lived for 250 years and did not know Russia or another homeland. They served, worked and developed it. At the same time, preserving their culture. And they were respected even by the Soviet government while maintaining their autonomy. And then one fine day some man wrote tt they began to shoot the enemy from their own soldiers. This is complete nonsense. How did they deserve suspicion of anything? Their deportation is a compulsory measure. What does the chance of survival have to do with it? Potential traitors? Is this their fault in your opinion? So among the Russian traitors there were many more. And this is our shameful fact. And among the Soviet Germans there are practically none.
                      2. apro
                        apro 16 October 2020 09: 04 New
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                        This is not a time of peace. Or is it not important? Is the Soviet German people still alive? Does it have catastrophic losses in that war? Comparable to the Russians, Belarusians, and Ukrainians?
                      3. carstorm 11
                        carstorm 11 16 October 2020 09: 09 New
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                        What does this have to do with it? Let me remind you, I do not condemn deportation. Although himself a German. It had to happen. I am against that there would be a reason to invent why it happened. Here, inventions have already begun about weapons, about the fact that they shot at the soldiers. They just took it and got together and left peacefully.
                      4. apro
                        apro 16 October 2020 09: 15 New
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                        Quote: carstorm 11
                        I am against that there would be a reason to invent why it happened.

                        The Soviet government had reasons: lack of trust at that difficult time.
                      5. Victorio
                        Victorio 16 October 2020 13: 39 New
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                        Quote: apro
                        Quote: carstorm 11
                        I am against that there would be a reason to invent why it happened.

                        The Soviet government had reasons: lack of trust at that difficult time.

                        ===
                        it seems that there were reasons, and there were reinsurance, and there were abuses. separately, how they were resettled (often like cattle) and where (in an open field, according to the grandmother, they dug their own dugouts).
                      6. carstorm 11
                        carstorm 11 16 October 2020 15: 09 New
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                        You know ... all this of course was. As well as mortality after this resettlement. In my opinion, 30 thousand people from 44 to 49 died for various reasons in Kazakhstan then. But there were no cries of condemnation. Most understood why this happened. The worst thing was after the war. Autonomy was not returned. They did not return home. They just gave it all up. Perhaps this is one of the reasons for the simply mass exodus of Germans from Russia in 80-90. Catherine turned over in her coffin at this moment
                      7. meandr51
                        meandr51 16 October 2020 22: 37 New
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                        German Catherine gave her fellow tribesmen very large lifting subsidies for setting up a farm. Russian settlers in Siberia could not even dream of such a thing.
                      8. carstorm 11
                        carstorm 11 16 October 2020 22: 52 New
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                        there are many reasons for this. one of which is that not just Germans came to the country, but Germans in whole dynasties. artisans and engineers and the military. brought a lot of good. and not to drag foreigners into the country without great preferences. the fact that they were given a lot is a fact. but I think the same is the fact that it was all paid for by loyalty and work for decades for the good of the country that accepted them.
                    2. Victorio
                      Victorio 16 October 2020 22: 41 New
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                      there were deportations before the war, in the mid-30s, of the same Cossacks, Finns, from the western regions of Ukraine, Koreans.
              2. imobile2008
                imobile2008 16 October 2020 18: 46 New
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                You're lying, you're not German. And in fact, it is very strange to expel the Germans who fought with the Germans in the First World War.
              3. carstorm 11
                carstorm 11 16 October 2020 20: 43 New
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                How original))) you know what's funny?) I was also born in the GDR))) which is rather an amazing accident))))
              4. Andrei Nikolaevich
                Andrei Nikolaevich 17 October 2020 18: 52 New
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                Who is what nationality does not matter. The national question is a very delicate question. The consequences of sloppiness in this matter remain in the memory of peoples for centuries. Glovoy had to think, and not cut everyone with the same brush. Although there should be toughness on this issue (in a war).
          2. Mikhail Alexandrov
            Mikhail Alexandrov 16 October 2020 19: 28 New
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            I met, somehow by chance at a bus stop with a German, asked for a smoke, gave it, and then who are you, who are you. A guy from Kazakhstan, there were a lot of them at that time. He worked at a factory by conversation, but after their "independence , Kazakhs began to come to the places of the heads of shops, these began to drag their masters to their places, so the production crashed ... Yes, but most of all, he was outraged that these "masters" smelled of kumis ...
          3. Captain45
            Captain45 17 October 2020 12: 55 New
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            Quote: Mikhail Alexandrov
            A guy from Kazakhstan, at that time there were a lot of them. He was working at the plant by conversation, but after their "independence, Kazakhs began to come to the places of shop leaders, these began to drag their foremen to their places, so the production crashed ...

            My son-in-law served in the 90s near Alma-Ata in the VTA, and my sister worked in Raifo, so the national cadres of a free country came to Raifo, and then everything is according to the above quote. Yes, Russian relatives by nationality. What do you think, violet, but only the Russian elder brother could keep the country, the rest ....... nomads, what to take from them.
        3. meandr51
          meandr51 16 October 2020 22: 39 New
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          The Germans were simply saved from the front.
        4. Georgy shelike
          Georgy shelike 23 October 2020 10: 10 New
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          All Germans of working age (15-60 for men and 16-55 for women) were torn away from their families and sent behind barbed wire to the so-called labor army, in which the death rate from hunger and cold was several times higher than the death rate at the front.
  2. Jager
    Jager 18 October 2020 19: 31 New
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    No, because they were all preventively resettled. Almost all of the Germans were also removed from the army by the end of 41.
    They didn't shoot, they didn't kill them in concentration camps, they didn't poison them with gas, as the Germans did with other peoples. By the way, a huge number of the Germans themselves were in concentration camps in Germany, for example, almost all members of the Communist Party. And they were already sitting there long before the war. Remind the fate of Ernst Thälmann? Whom I respect immensely. Who spent several years in solitary confinement, but never broke down. And who until the very end never betrayed his ideas and views. Until the very execution in the back by the SS at the crematorium.
  3. Georgy shelike
    Georgy shelike 23 October 2020 10: 14 New
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    The Germans were removed from the active army and sent to the labor army, the conditions in which in places (for example, in Nizhny Tagil, UsolLag and SazLag were no better than in Buchenwald), where many of them were still starved to death by overwork, hunger and cold.
  4. Jager
    Jager 23 October 2020 18: 58 New
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    In what conditions the workers worked in the same Nizhny Tagil - some were swollen with hunger. And it is not the bloody Stalinist scoop that is to blame for this, but the Germans. Because of which the factories were thrown into an open field in the center of the country. There was no time and no one to think about people in the first year of the war. And even more so to think about the Germans.
  5. ANB
    ANB 16 October 2020 16: 41 New
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    ... not so dramatic with Soviet Germans

    Not a fact. And it's good that it didn't work out.
  • Kote Pan Kokhanka
    Kote Pan Kokhanka 16 October 2020 20: 58 New
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    Quote: carstorm 11
    well, by itself. the same could only be among the Germans. among the Russians this was not at all. Let's just remember the names of the traitors Russian and then Soviet Germans? for one Richter there is Vlasov. Malyshkin Bogdanov. Trukhin. I understand why my ancestors were deported and probably did the same. it is logical and understandable. I do not understand why the whole people should be denigrated because of their nationality without guilt. deportation alone is not enough?

    Perhaps I should apologize to you, my maternal grandfather took part in the deportation of the Volga Germans. It is noteworthy that its immediate commander was a descendant of a German and a Chuvash from near Krasnoufimsk.
    Until the end of his days, my grandfather believed that it was a mistake, unlike other migrations in which he had to participate. At the same time, he spoke confidently about hidden airfields and caches, spies and saboteurs. Hidden weapons, products. But he also noted with some simplicity about the willingness of the Germans to cooperate, their organization, understanding and guilt. It was the mass awareness of guilt that they were not even a compatriot, but a fellow tribesman who was developing a war against their Fatherland that put them in the corner of the corner, the need to obey.
    It happened not without excesses, representatives of the NKVD and village councils. They pressed on the communist and international debt. By the way, many heads of families, instead of being exiled, went to the front. There were queues at the commissariats.
    In addition, both sides sincerely believed that this was for a while - the enemy would be defeated and victory would be ours!
    Moreover, according to grandfather, the evacuation of the Germans was "full of holes", many returned back a week later, others did not leave the Urals. I know at least 5 families who settled in Sverdlovsk. Two of them already in 1942 occupied not feeble party positions. Wives and daughters-in-law taught in schools and colleges, sons fought at the front.
    One of the sons, in the 80s and 90s, introduced friendship with his grandfather. Sometimes drunkenly procrastinated on this topic, did not make claims to the grandfather. They agreed on one thing “it was necessary”. Moreover, when my bagpipe "about airfields, caches, spies and saboteurs," he confirmed yes. He gave examples and sprinkled them with names. He always insisted on this, they themselves spoke and informed the authorities, thereby initiating a wave of fear and mistrust.
    I apologize for the spaciousness, but)))
    Best regards, Kote.
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 16 October 2020 23: 20 New
      +6
      that's exactly what I think - it was necessary. even my grandmother Martha put on a uniform and went to the front. like most men. the rest were taken out. there is nothing to apologize for. rather, there are claims to those who, after the war, made the Germans restricted to leave their settlements and refused to return their autonomy. But that is another story.
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  • Far B
    Far B 16 October 2020 07: 20 New
    +5
    no need to insult my ancestors just on the grounds that they were born germans
    Where did you find the insults, may I clarify?
  • Proxima
    Proxima 16 October 2020 10: 12 New
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    Crimean Tatars are very lucky otherwise they would have been cut in 45 demobilized front-line soldiers and they (front-line soldiers) would then be mixed up for arbitrariness. But who I really feel sorry for are the Volga Germans. They lived soundly, conscientiously, and Hitler with his "great" ideas was not necessary for them. But what to do, the Germans are disciplined and organized people. Had the Wehrmacht reached the Volga region, they would also serve Germany in a disciplined and organized manner, with a few exceptions, of course.
  • meandr51
    meandr51 16 October 2020 22: 32 New
    +3
    It is not necessary to equate the Germans with the Russians just on the grounds that they "have always served." This is true. They have always served faithfully to any superiors. They are a rational and disciplined people. The main thing for them is to understand who is the boss today ...
    My father told me that when he was in charge of a repair plant in the newly captured Konigsberg, it was easiest to get understanding and fulfillment from the Germans. Better than from the Slavs, although from German he knew only the expressions: "Alla raus!" (all out!) and "hand hoh!", which he used when clearing buildings ... No attempts to sabotage or fool.
  • Basil50
    Basil50 16 October 2020 07: 01 New
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    Article about nothing
    The author simply and unpretentiously omitted something. During the resettlement, rifles, machine guns, grenades and much more were seized from the Germans of the Volga region.
    JOSEPH VISSARIONOVICH STALIN, deviating from the laws, proposed to evict some peoples, instead of shooting the villains-accomplices of the Nazis.
    In the Baltics, Western Belarus, Moldavia, only those who, serving the former authorities, were not at all shy about killing and robbing, were evicted. Some were shot after the COURT. They wrote about this in the newspapers and were not at all shy about it.
    About how the Finns-Poles-Balts destroyed all RUSSIANS in the article not a word. Just cry * innocently .... *.
    But the documents show that INSTEAD of the execution of the villains, they were resettled with their families. Those families who lived off robbery and murder.
    I wrote it chaotically, but I am very tired of irresponsible statements about * innocently ......... *.
    1. kalibr
      kalibr 16 October 2020 08: 26 New
      11
      Quote: Vasily50
      During the resettlement, rifles, machine guns, grenades and much more were seized from the Germans of the Volga region.

      I don't know anything about it. And I wonder where you got this information from. Where did they buy or get it all? It would be interesting to know the source of your information. Thanks in advance!
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 16 October 2020 08: 43 New
        +7
        And they are not. These are wild fantasies.
        1. Walking
          Walking 16 October 2020 12: 18 New
          +6
          And there is no need to answer for everyone, people were different and it is quite possible that some could betray and go over to the side of the Nazis. As for the weapons, do not forget that there was a civil war and weapons remained on hand, even more so in the villages and villages. The expression, heavy in the village without a revolver, was no accident.
          1. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 16 October 2020 12: 31 New
            +5
            find at least one document that confirms this, we can discuss. I do not deny that there were such people. only a few of them. and then there is no information on such. for that there are hundreds of facts of the heroic behavior of these people at the front.
          2. nemez
            nemez 22 October 2020 21: 23 New
            0
            Neither my grandmother nor my grandfather told me about the presence of weapons on their hands. It was only from those who hunted, but as far as I know, it was seized from the entire population in favor of the army.
      2. Kote Pan Kokhanka
        Kote Pan Kokhanka 16 October 2020 21: 19 New
        +3
        Quote: kalibr
        Quote: Vasily50
        During the resettlement, rifles, machine guns, grenades and much more were seized from the Germans of the Volga region.

        I don't know anything about it. And I wonder where you got this information from. Where did they buy or get it all? It would be interesting to know the source of your information. Thanks in advance!

        Firstly, surprisingly, for the first time I agree with Vasily about the quality of the article.
        Secondly, the Germans of the Volga region really found light small arms. camouflaged airfields. There were clashes and excesses. Sources - summaries and reports of those days, the location of the central archive of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia.
        By the way, the local organs of the NUVD, which were overwhelmed by spy mania, became the catalyst. And sometimes it is real without cuts.
        Second source, my grandfather. I don’t think he could lie, especially since he made friends with the son of the collective farm chairman, whom he personally put on the train.
        However, an acquaintance of his grandfather spoke to him not for the lost house, but for the fact that everything was “shitty” organized. Literally, "Faterr" did not forgive yours for the half-milked cows. They could have warned them two days in advance, they would have been attached to a neighboring collective farm. Well, somewhere like that.
        And yes, I forgot, my grandfather's acquaintance, fought and took Berlin. Chevalier of two orders of glory and a red star.
        His family, however, did not go further than Sverdlovsk. The father was in charge of the bakery roofing felts, the flour-grinding production.
        Best regards, good day everyone.
    2. Basil50
      Basil50 16 October 2020 13: 13 New
      0
      Well, let's start with the fact that the archives contain documents on resettlement and what was seized. There are also German documents about the decomposition of the rear of the RED ARMY. Read, there is a lot of things there and not only about the Volga Germans.
      1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 16 October 2020 17: 55 New
        -1
        ... Well, let's start with the fact that the archives contain documents on resettlement and what was seized.

        Well, take the trouble to bring. 'Is in the archives' is a rotten argument, to put it mildly.
        1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
          Kote Pan Kokhanka 16 October 2020 21: 41 New
          +4
          Submit a specific request to the central archive of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia, if it is not classified, then you will receive a specific answer. Otherwise, be ready to explain why you need this information.
          Read nowhere, not an argument! However, how about "give a link." Such information is not digitized and is not allowed for external access. Until 2010, scientific work on this topic was classified as classified. It's easier now.
          For criminal cases, you can contact the General Prosecutor's Office or the archives of the Volga regions. These data are digitized.
          In other matters, and insanity, the seizure of the weapon was there! For example, the "premium Mauser" from the hands of Comrade Budyonny or Kotovsky - I forgot. The decision was tough at the ATC level "find and return to the owner"!
        2. Captain45
          Captain45 17 October 2020 13: 04 New
          0
          Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Well, take the trouble to bring. 'Is in the archives' is a rotten argument, to put it mildly.

          Well, for starters, the author of the article mentioned the memoirs of the Deputy People's Commissar of I. Serov, published in print and available on the Internet. I read them, the memoirs were published on the basis of the diary entries that Serov kept, almost every day. Therefore, it is not at all necessary to go into the archives, it is enough to read the book, there is a mass of digital data, but if you want specifics, then into the archive. Now with this it is easy, as they say, "google for help"
    3. Terrible GMO
      Terrible GMO 16 October 2020 22: 24 New
      0
      Quote: Vasily50
      In the Baltics, Western Belarus, Moldavia, only those who, serving the former authorities, were not at all shy about killing and robbing, were evicted.

      Tens and hundreds of thousands of the citizens of Belarus (in particular, the western one) deported to Siberia were also mercilessly killed? And for this reason they were deprived of everything they had acquired by honest and hard work on the earth, because some bureaucratic wanted to curry favor, and to show local authorities how "enemies of the people" are being slaughtered?
    4. Oprichnik
      Oprichnik 18 October 2020 01: 59 New
      +3
      Yes, the Crimean Tatars were treated too softly. I was in the 70s at a meeting of partisans and fighters who fought in the Crimea and I heard enough about their atrocities and betrayal that I still cannot understand why they were not cleared out then. Moreover, history gives enough facts of their hatred of Russians and Russia over the centuries. The mentality cannot be changed, and today they are ready to do the same at an opportunity. In addition, in those years, more than enough documentary evidence of betrayal and atrocities was collected for a decisive and final solution to this issue.
  • Blacksmith 55
    Blacksmith 55 16 October 2020 07: 53 New
    +2
    There is evidence of cooperation between the peoples of the Baltics, Crimea, and the Caucasus with the occupation authorities. But there is not a single proof that the Volga Germans collaborated with the German authorities.
    Very hardworking and (mind you) law-abiding people.
    And after the war, the republic of the Volga Germans was not restored.
    I think that is why Russia "lost" 3-4 million Germans who left after the collapse of the Union.
    1. Far B
      Far B 16 October 2020 08: 02 New
      13
      there is no evidence that the Volga Germans collaborated with the German authorities
      Because they were evicted in advance to where the German authorities could not reach. A common wartime precaution. Or it was necessary to wait until the Nazis reached the Volga and in practice to check whether the Volga Germans would hit the Volga Germans in the back, or not?
      I think that's why Russia "lost" 3-4 million Germans who left after the collapse of the Union
      That's not why. In Germany, there was a program for the return of compatriots with such a good financial support for repatriates, and in Russia at that time there was a child of the Boriska the All-Drunken revelry. I suppose the choice was obvious for the former so-called Russian Germans.
    2. _Sergei_
      _Sergei_ 16 October 2020 08: 09 New
      +7
      There is a German region in Altai. And they do not even live very sickly. They were given gas first. The daughter-in-law's relative wanted to return in 2015 from Germany and could not buy a house there. Compared to Germany, expensive.
    3. Aviator_
      Aviator_ 16 October 2020 08: 09 New
      -1
      I have heard more than once that before the Germans were evicted from the Volga region, a provocation was organized with an allegedly "German" landing there. And none of these "law-abiding" Germans called the NKVD. Here we go.
      1. kalibr
        kalibr 16 October 2020 08: 45 New
        +6
        Quote: Aviator_
        Heard many times

        Sergei, "and she feeds on fables." You, too, have heard and read that, haven't you? And where would you read about this operation in what document? Agree that this is much more significant than "I heard"?
        1. Aviator_
          Aviator_ 16 October 2020 19: 14 New
          +2
          Do you always ask for a piece of paper with seals, or is it not always? The conversation was on the topic, I expressed my opinion about the reasons. By the way, in the place of the NKVD, I would organize such a check - how else to check the loyalty of the population, maybe you know another method? Share.
          1. kalibr
            kalibr 16 October 2020 19: 51 New
            +1
            Paper with stamps is desirable. Because "heard" is not the source. So I have to write an article. And I will write that "Aviator. Sergei", have you heard about this? Yes, they will twist my fingers at my temple for such a "source". Is not it? And how to check this is another conversation. It was about the source of information.
            1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
              Kote Pan Kokhanka 16 October 2020 21: 46 New
              +1
              Vyacheslav Olegovich, I will say one word "was"! It was not only that !!!
              I rarely pull you back, but in the dang case Sergey is right.
              Regards, Vlad!
      2. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 17 October 2020 22: 57 New
        0
        Half of the population of the Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic of the Volga Germans were not Germans. Did the non-German population call?
    4. Captain Pushkin
      Captain Pushkin 16 October 2020 20: 41 New
      +1
      Quote: Blacksmith 55
      there is no evidence that the Volga Germans cooperated with the German authorities.

      Long ago, in Soviet times, I heard a story that the NKVD staged a provocation, under the guise of saboteurs of the Wehrmacht, threw out paratroopers - NKVD officers in the German autonomy. Local Germans accepted the "saboteurs" and did not give them up. After that, the deportation of the Germans was approved.
    5. Errr
      Errr 17 October 2020 08: 37 New
      +1
      Quote: Blacksmith 55
      I think that is why Russia "lost" 3-4 million Germans who left after the collapse of the Union.
      In the RSFSR, even in 1939, there were only 862504 Germans. In all subsequent censuses, only a steady decline in their numbers was observed.
      A source: http://900igr.net/prezentacija/fizika/posledstvija-deportatsii-i-novye-tendentsii-v-dinamike-chislennosti-rossijskikh-nemtsev-1939-2014-gody-203183/dinamika-chislennosti-nemtsev-v-sostave-naselenija-otdelnykh-respublik-i-20.html
      In general, in the entire USSR, there were 2038603 people at the maximum in 1989. Where did your "losses of 3-4 million Germans" come from? smile
      1. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 17 October 2020 23: 01 New
        0
        Most of the Germans in the USSR after the war lived in the Kazakh SSR, and not in the RSFSR. There were many of them in Kyrgyzstan.
  • kalibr
    kalibr 16 October 2020 08: 04 New
    +6
    Quote: Dalny V
    The story is the same with the Koreans: there is a high probability of war with Japan, plus the love of the Japanese command for sabotage. Removed, as they say, away from sin.

    Koreans have an age-old hatred of the Japanese. In South Korea, only recently was it allowed to show Japanese films, and so ... But all this was long ago. The Koreans could not forget the noses of their ancestors salted in barrels and sent to Japan in 1598!
    1. Far B
      Far B 16 October 2020 08: 13 New
      +7
      So the problem here is not with nationality, but with race. laughing For Russians, it is impossible to determine by the face who is in front of him - Korean, Japanese or Chinese. By the end of the thirties, there were practically no Chinese left in Primorye, but Koreans were at least a dime a dozen. And the Japanese command, as we all know perfectly well, respected all sorts of sabotage. Therefore, Koreans and that ... out of harm's way ... to Central Asia.
      1. kalibr
        kalibr 16 October 2020 08: 14 New
        -4
        Quote: Dalny V
        Therefore, Koreans and that ... out of harm's way ... to Central Asia.

        Well, yes - once oblique, then extreme. Ignorance!
        1. Far B
          Far B 16 October 2020 08: 23 New
          +9
          Well, yes - once oblique, then extreme. Ignorance!
          Ops. How categorical. Are you able to determine at a glance who is in front of you - Korean or Japanese? Precisely at a glance, because in front of you is a potential spy / saboteur, with an excellent legend and cover? And if they are not ready, are they ready to risk massive sabotage attacks in the front-line, in fact, area (and Primorye in the pre-war and war period is precisely the front-line area)? Thoughtful you are our ...
          1. kalibr
            kalibr 16 October 2020 08: 41 New
            -1
            The Koreans themselves would have identified saboteurs if they were properly motivated. People can be flexibly managed if you know and be able to. But then they did not know and did not know how. This is the whole trouble. And judging by your answer, not everyone knows "how" today. But today it doesn't matter that much.
            1. Far B
              Far B 16 October 2020 08: 47 New
              +6
              People can be flexibly managed if you know and be able to
              Eh, your knowledge and skills - yes to Stalin's head - that the USSR would have exploded!
              1. kalibr
                kalibr 16 October 2020 08: 54 New
                -3
                Yes, you rightly noticed it. But ... it's not even science fiction.
            2. Aviator_
              Aviator_ 16 October 2020 19: 20 New
              +3
              The Koreans themselves would have identified saboteurs if they were properly motivated.

              I recognize the thesis of the theoretician-propagandist, who has never led anyone.
              1. Reptiloid
                Reptiloid 16 October 2020 20: 27 New
                +3
                Quote: Aviator_
                The Koreans themselves would have identified saboteurs if they were properly motivated.

                I recognize the thesis of the theoretician-propagandist, who has never led anyone.

                Sorry, dear Sergey hi ! You do not know everything about leadership, and even cooler --- management. And all you need is to find a recent comment, addressed to Vladimir
                1. Aviator_
                  Aviator_ 16 October 2020 20: 46 New
                  +1
                  Dmitry, what comment? Which Vladimir?
              2. kalibr
                kalibr 18 October 2020 08: 04 New
                -2
                Quote: Aviator_
                I recognize the thesis of the theoretician-propagandist, who has never led anyone.

                Quote: Aviator_
                I recognize the thesis of the theoretician-propagandist, who has never led anyone.

                Do not try, Andrei, to write about what you do not know. The fact is that in order to distinguish this, you need to have experience in leadership yourself. Share ...
                1. Aviator_
                  Aviator_ 18 October 2020 09: 18 New
                  +3
                  Do not try, Andrei, to write about what you do not know. The fact is that in order to distinguish this, you need to have experience in leadership yourself. Share ...

                  Vyacheslav, firstly, I am Sergey, not Andrey. Secondly, satisfying your curiosity, I would like to inform you that I have been in charge of the scientific sector at the Research Institute for more than 20 years (10 employees). For a year I have been heading the Department of Physics and Theoretical Mechanics at the MAI branch. Enough?
            3. Oprichnik
              Oprichnik 18 October 2020 02: 11 New
              +3
              In the 70s. in the Far East there were many attacks on SA soldiers and officers. When the perpetrators were caught, it turned out that they were local Koreans. ??? what did they lack and in whose interests did they act? It would be nice to open the archives of the former KGB on this topic so that people would not fool themselves and others with fairy tales about "internationalism" and "eternal friendship of peoples." And then they make a hasty conclusion - if my neighbor is Armenian, Greek, Crimean Tatar good, then all the people are good.
              And then the massacre begins and the neighbor does not hesitate to finish off this beautiful-minded person, especially if he is Russian. And why? Because all these Natsiks have an inferiority complex in front of the Russians. They are wildly jealous at the subconscious level and envy sublimates into hatred. It is enough to evaluate the tribalts. Without us they lived as semi-savages, and now they are sliding down to the same level without us.
              1. kalibr
                kalibr 18 October 2020 08: 05 New
                -1
                Quote: Oprichnik
                It would be nice to open the archives of the former KGB on this topic

                Long overdue!
        2. apro
          apro 16 October 2020 08: 33 New
          +4
          Quote: kalibr
          Well, yes - once oblique, then extreme. Ignorance

          And on the other side of the border, as I understand it, was peace and grace? Japan was tormented by China. Koreans entered the Mikado empire. Served in the army. And with the USSR they had a lot of friendship, especially since the Koreans in the Soviet Union are also migrants.
          1. kalibr
            kalibr 16 October 2020 08: 42 New
            +3
            Quote: apro
            served in the army

            Only in building parts, like a cheap slave. force. And their women were supposed to serve Japanese soldiers in the "merry houses". The Koreans liked it all. You can't even imagine how!
          2. vindigo
            vindigo 16 October 2020 23: 05 New
            +1
            In kamikaze, read, walked. There is a film about the founder of karate-kyokushin. Ethnic Korean. He just wanted to get a job at a Japanese flight school and become a pilot.
      2. mr.ZinGer
        mr.ZinGer 16 October 2020 08: 25 New
        +3
        Well, they don't beat on the passport ...
    2. Nazar
      Nazar 16 October 2020 10: 20 New
      18
      kalibr - colleague, you somehow keep silent WHERE you sent the "unfortunate" Koreans. But they were taken to Tashkent!
      Who would have exiled me from Siberia wink Offer now the Tashkent Koreans to return to the places where they were sent from - but they will just beat you down for this.
      This is how these "poor fellows" were repressed.
      1. kalibr
        kalibr 16 October 2020 12: 00 New
        0
        Quote: Nazar
        But they were taken to Tashkent!
        Who would have exiled me from Siberia

        Provided housing, living conditions are better than what they had in place, right? If they had to choose between a clean field in Tashkent or a well-established life where they lived, most likely they would have chosen "their" places.
        1. Nazar
          Nazar 16 October 2020 18: 55 New
          +3
          kalibr - You have a bad idea of ​​the living conditions "where they lived" - and these are the places from which now, without any Stalin, people run on their own, even into an open field, just to leave. I am not exaggerating, look at the statistics on population decline in the Far East, everything will be clear. And here in Tashkent ... there, even if the authorities would have thrown people into the field (which is not at all a fact), the locals immediately took them to their homes - the people there are. During the war, how many evacuees they took. On the boulevard Sharof Rashidov (formerly Friendship of Peoples), there is a monument to a simple peasant who received, warmed and nurtured 15 evacuated children who remained without relatives during the war.
          So the Koreans can say they were pretty lucky with such a deportation. I have friends there, Koreans, I know what I'm writing about hi
          Not everyone, not everyone, was so lucky, no, well, the Meskhetians were also not badly evicted - to the Fergana Valley - heaven on earth - but they behaved disgustingly there, and accordingly, they were treated the same way.
          And the Koreans have taken root, have established ties with their historical homeland, receive support from there, and now you cannot drive them away from Uzbekistan with a machine gun wink
          1. kalibr
            kalibr 16 October 2020 19: 19 New
            0
            It is good that you have good sources of information. And then I here ask many - where did you get this knowledge, share. And in response, minus and silence. It's good that you turned out to be an exception. Thanks!
            1. Nazar
              Nazar 16 October 2020 20: 16 New
              +4
              kalibr - I rarely put pluses - mostly with a complete coincidence of opinions - then I don't need to write anything, I put a plus sign and read on, but I don't put minuses at all, - if I don't agree with what I have written, I will express my opinion, I will argue if I am sure in my own right, it may be possible to convince my opponent, well, or they will explain to me that I am wrong fellow ... And minus what gives?
              And on the topic of discussion - I read your comments, basically I agree with them, what I described is an exception (successful), the rest were less fortunate. What is the North Kazakhstan steppe, especially in winter I know not by hearsay, I had to work there because I can imagine how the "settlers" from the Caucasus survived there, that "not Tashkent" at all.
          2. Captain45
            Captain45 17 October 2020 13: 17 New
            +1
            Quote: Nazar
            Not everyone, not everyone, was so lucky, no, well, the Meskhetians were also not badly evicted - to the Fergana Valley - heaven on earth - but they behaved disgustingly there, and accordingly, they were treated the same way.

            Not just Meskhetians, but TURKS. What can you take from a Turk if he is a Turk? How else is a "narrow-minded" person called hmm? They were settled in our region in 88 or 89 in our area, so here, with the locals, it came to pitchforks and axes. We came to reconcile them, and the deputy head of the department says: "these Turks are Mexicans", they whisper to him - "Ah .... F ... h - Meskhetians", and he: "I say - Mexicans!" So since then, Mexicans have been living in our area.
        2. Aviator_
          Aviator_ 16 October 2020 19: 18 New
          +5
          choose between an open field in Tashkent

          The only thing left is to find an open field in Tashkent.
        3. Kwas
          Kwas 17 October 2020 10: 34 New
          +2
          Perhaps the best argument for me is that none of my Korean friends-acquaintances (and there are many of them) never complained about the deportation. And not one of them was going to return "to their native land."
    3. Walking
      Walking 16 October 2020 12: 22 New
      +6
      Many Koreans served in the Japanese army and in construction units in the Pacific Islands and, like the Japanese, fought to the end. So it's not that simple.
      1. kalibr
        kalibr 16 October 2020 12: 26 New
        0
        Quote: Hiking
        Many Koreans served in the Japanese army and in construction units on the Pacific Islands and, like the Japanese, fought to the end.

        Vitaly, I won't argue, but where does the information come from? Give me a sane source, I would be very grateful to you.
        1. kalibr
          kalibr 16 October 2020 14: 38 New
          0
          Judging by the disadvantages of a sane source of information, I can't wait ... I see.
          1. Walking
            Walking 16 October 2020 22: 56 New
            0
            Limited by the possibilities of the Internet, in the steppe there is poor communication. Therefore, I cannot answer.
          2. Walking
            Walking 17 October 2020 13: 26 New
            +2
            Quote: kalibr
            Judging by the disadvantages of a sane source of information, I can't wait ... I see.

            There are enough links in the search engine, here is at least one http://mion.isu.ru/filearchive/mion_publcations/sib_kor/12.htm
    4. Aviator_
      Aviator_ 16 October 2020 19: 16 New
      +1
      The Koreans could not forget the noses of their ancestors salted in barrels and sent to Japan in 1598!

      Is there a link about the source of this action?
      1. kalibr
        kalibr 16 October 2020 19: 29 New
        +2
        Mitsuo Kure. "Samurai", "Military history of Japan" Stephen Turnbull - and a lot of his other books, where he writes about the war in Korea. According to his data, Hideyoshi's army has collected 185 heads of Koreans and 738 heads of Chinese. It was possible to find out such accurate data due to the fact that careful records were kept, and some records have survived to this day.
        However, it is very difficult to imagine the real numbers, because, for sure, many goals were simply thrown away. And the noses were not always cut off from the corpses. To increase the counter, many soldiers cut off the noses of living people. According to reports, the unfortunate people continued to live without noses or ears.
        There is no more detail at hand now, but I can write an article about the war between the Japanese and Korea and give detailed historiography there. Now I am working on another topic. I don't want to come off ...

        And this is the hill where they were buried. For some reason, Hideyosi thought that the salty noses should be buried in the hill next to the temple.
        1. Aviator_
          Aviator_ 16 October 2020 19: 37 New
          0
          According to him Hideyoshi's army collected 185 Koreans and 738 Chinese.

          And after all this time he counted them all? An argument of the type of the classic of the Only True Teaching - it says there, then it was. One must be more critical of the sources.
          1. kalibr
            kalibr 16 October 2020 20: 30 New
            +2
            This is not for me, but for Stephen Turnbull. Although I know even without him that the Japanese recorded everything very meticulously. Their reward depended on this. That is, it was recorded who, how many, and whose heads (or noses!) Were chopped off, the procedure for examining the heads was arranged ... The archives of the shoguns were preserved ... By the way, I have a book about this "Samurai. The first complete encyclopedia." Her collective reviewer was the Institute of Oriental Studies of the Russian Academy of Sciences, and she also received a grant from the Russian Humanitarian Science Foundation. So in what, in what, and in the source study base of the study, I understand better than you. Our state is reluctant to part with money, very reluctantly. So there was such a case that it was impossible not to pay.
            1. Aviator_
              Aviator_ 16 October 2020 20: 42 New
              -1
              that the Japanese recorded everything very meticulously. Their reward depended on it.

              Well, they would write right away. Hartman and Rudel had predecessors on the Far East.
        2. Captain45
          Captain45 17 October 2020 13: 21 New
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          Quote: kalibr
          And not always the noses were cut off from the corpses. Many soldiers cut off the noses of living people to increase the counter.

          Moreover, EMNIP, in "Bushido" it is recommended to cut off the nose along with the mustache, so that it can be seen that this is the nose of a man's enemy ie. a worthy enemy, not a woman or a child, which is unworthy of a samurai.
      2. kalibr
        kalibr 16 October 2020 20: 06 New
        +1
        By the way, Sergey, how would you react if I replied that I heard from this in a telephone conversation with Turnbull in 2000. Probably, this would not satisfy you and you would also start asking me for printed paper. Is not it so? And do not forget to put a minus, usually after such answers they always put them to me.
        1. Aviator_
          Aviator_ 16 October 2020 20: 09 New
          +3
          Vyacheslav, I have no doubt that this book, to which you referred, contains similar figures. I just strongly doubt their reliability. And you that the minuses are so close to your heart, you need to be calmer. In fact, I do not always put them to you, I may not put them at all, so as not to injure.
          1. kalibr
            kalibr 16 October 2020 20: 37 New
            +1
            Quote: Aviator_
            And you that the minuses are so close to your heart, you need to be calmer.

            Sergei. I already wrote to you that everything is the same for me, that plus or minus - in any case it is a click. This is the only thing that matters. And I wrote about the minuses only because - ha - that you can't answer them, but even the most stupid comment is possible, and these are ... new clicks. Got it, right? And about the authenticity ... Japan is a country of very ancient culture. There are some troubles. One is to write everything down. No other country in the world has had so many nobles and ... literate people as in Japan. Therefore, they fought for the slightest privilege. And they demanded PRINTED PAPER! Coca was paid for rice. Therefore, everyone counted. A third of the army soldiers were busy carrying flags and writing down every little thing! And a lot has survived!
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    6. vindigo
      vindigo 16 October 2020 22: 58 New
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      There is such hatred-specific and different. Their artists calmly go on tours to Japan and sing songs in Japanese (this is the Japanese law, in Japan you can sing songs only in Japanese), relax, are filmed in commercials, and arrange various fan meetings. To my question "why is this?" answered that making money in Japan is not prohibited.
  • pytar
    pytar 16 October 2020 08: 58 New
    +1
    Why is it groundless if the war was with Germany? Where is the guarantee that the ancestral memory will not wake up in them and they will not stab our troops in the back?

    Dear Mikhail, did the Germans live in Russia for centuries? And in the First World War, Russia fought with Germany! Then the German population remained loyal as far as I know ?! Why did the Kremlin suddenly decide that this time / WWII / this population is a threat? request
    1. Nazar
      Nazar 16 October 2020 10: 29 New
      +7
      pytar - Good afternoon hi And in the First World War, this issue was not all right. The famous firm "Singer" got it, but the firm - the whole demonstrations were demanding to isolate the empress herself - she's a German! This was especially aggravated against the backdrop of the failures of the tsarist army at the front - there were massive rumors of betrayal at the "very top", such an attitude towards the tsarist family was one of the reasons for Nicholas' abdication.
      1. kalibr
        kalibr 16 October 2020 12: 02 New
        +1
        Quote: Nazar
        there were massive rumors about betrayal at the "very top", such an attitude towards the royal

        Rumors from deportation are different, aren't they?
        1. Nazar
          Nazar 16 October 2020 18: 31 New
          +3
          kalibr - So I'm not talking about deportation, about the attitude towards the Germans in Russia during WWI. Not everything was then as benign as it seems to our colleague pytar, there were quite a few excesses and quite harsh.
      2. Oprichnik
        Oprichnik 18 October 2020 02: 22 New
        +2
        Igor, You can not betray in the open, but simply do not fulfill your duty with all diligence. A lot of generals in Russia in WW1 had German roots and a lot of them did NOTHING to win. As an example - Evert, who all the time dodged active hostilities. And apparently he was not the only one.
        1. Nazar
          Nazar 18 October 2020 04: 20 New
          +1
          Oprichnik - Quite right, another example is General Renennkampf, who stood with his troops without moving while the Germans beat Samsonov's army in East Prussia. The Bolsheviks soon "awarded" the general according to his merits - they shot him.
    2. Basil50
      Basil50 16 October 2020 13: 27 New
      0
      IN THE RUSSIAN EMPIRE, the Germans bought land and remained subjects of their Reich. The money for the purchase of land for resettlement was received by the German rogue nobles through the * Ministry of Colonial Affairs * from the grandfather of Wilhelm # 2.
      German men began to leave for the service of the Kaiser in July-August 1914. Those who refused to leave were deprived of the purchased land, including the house.
  • Errr
    Errr 17 October 2020 07: 36 New
    -1
    Quote: Dalny V
    By the way, they were quite decently evicted - not to camps, as the Americans did to their Japanese, but to settlements.
    To be more precise, it is not for settlement, but for sharing. And the host, presumably, shouted "hurray!" and they threw their caps into the air, because completely strangers settled in their homes replaced their relatives who had gone to the front. smile Thank you for the humor, because your expression "worthily evicted" is in its essence nothing more than an elementary oxymoron. hi
  • Deck
    Deck 17 October 2020 08: 10 New
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    By the way, they were quite decently evicted - not to camps, as the Americans did to their Japanese, but to settlements.


    And what is there to compare with the Americans, let's just with the Nazis. Those Jews are either in the camp or in the ghetto. Achotakova? Everyone did it!
  • nemez
    nemez 22 October 2020 21: 16 New
    0
    Nobody evicted the White emigrants. No tribal memory?
  • BAI
    BAI 16 October 2020 09: 23 New
    +9
    Well, at the expense of the Germans - today one point of view, at that time - another.
    PRESIDIUM OF THE SUPREME COUNCIL OF THE USSR

    DECREE

    from 28 August 1941 year

    On the resettlement of Germans living in the Volga region



    According to reliable data obtained by the military authorities, among the German population living in the Volga region, there are thousands and tens of thousands of saboteurs and spies who, on a signal from Germany, are to make explosions in the areas inhabited by the Volga Germans.

    None of the Germans living in the Volga region reported to the Soviet authorities about the presence of such a large number of saboteurs and spies among the Volga Germans, therefore, the German population of the Volga regions hides in their midst the enemies of the Soviet people and Soviet power.

    In the event that acts of sabotage, initiated by German saboteurs and spies from Germany, take place, in the Republic of the Volga Germans or adjacent areas, and bloodshed occurs, the Soviet government, according to wartime laws, will be forced to take punitive measures against the entire German population of the Volga region.

    In order to avoid such undesirable phenomena and to prevent serious bloodsheds, the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR recognized it necessary to relocate the entire German population living in the Volga region to other areas so that the resettled people would be allotted land and so that they would receive state assistance to settle in new areas.

    For resettlement, areas of the Novosibirsk and Omsk regions, Altai Territory, Kazakhstan and other neighboring areas abounding with arable land have been allocated.

    In this regard, the State Defense Committee was ordered to urgently resettle all the Germans of the Volga region and endow the resettled Germans of the Volga region with land and lands in new areas.



    Chairman of the Presidium

    Of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR M. KALININ


    Secretary of the Presidium

    Of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR A. GORKIN


    The cooperation of the Baltic Germans was already in front of our eyes, the suspicions were still not groundless.
    After the war, Israel evicted the Germans, their houses are still in Tel Aviv.

    By the way, we see that this is not just a link - the population was provided with some assistance, despite the war.
    Who will guarantee that when the Germans approached Stalingrad, sabotage activities would not intensify in this area?
    1. kalibr
      kalibr 16 October 2020 12: 03 New
      -6
      "there are thousands and tens of thousands of saboteurs and spies." Well, if three of the five marshals were spies, then finding thousands and tens of thousands of saboteurs in the Volga region was a piece of cake.
    2. Errr
      Errr 17 October 2020 11: 43 New
      -2
      Quote: BAI
      After the war, Israel evicted the Germans, their houses are still in Tel Aviv.
      Well, if:
      Quote: BAI
      According to reliable data obtained by the military authorities, among the German population living in the Volga region, there are thousands and tens of thousands of saboteurs and spies who, on a signal from Germany, are to make explosions in areas populated by the Volga Germans ( fool ),
      then tady of course. laughing
  • Airdefense
    Airdefense 16 October 2020 10: 56 New
    +8
    I think that the Germans are groundless

    This is how we can argue now, but imagine ourselves at that time there is a war with Germany, the Germans are already on the territory of the USSR, could the Volga Germans begin to act against the USSR, they could well, who knows how they would have behaved if Germany had occupied them territory.
    The same with the deportation of the Japanese to the United States, this is not a "lynching of blacks", just a similar example, the United States decided to stop the theoretical threat, although in their case the probability of Japanese landing on the West Coast was practically zero, but in wartime they think in completely different categories.
    1. kalibr
      kalibr 16 October 2020 12: 07 New
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      Quote: Airdefense
      could well, who knows,

      That is, it is not known exactly. But there is no doubt about it: we declare - for the extradition of a saboteur and a spy LIFETIME exemption of your family from all taxes. And then the people themselves would surely have caught all the spies and saboteurs.
      1. Aviator_
        Aviator_ 16 October 2020 19: 27 New
        +4
        we declare - for extradition of a saboteur and a spy LIFETIME exemption of your family from all taxes. And then the people themselves would surely have caught all the spies and saboteurs.

        Yes, about propaganda, "caliber" is, of course, strong. But about specific cases - by no means. And then how to understand this national initiative - is it really a spy, or did the envious neighbors slander?
        1. kalibr
          kalibr 16 October 2020 20: 44 New
          -2
          Quote: Aviator_
          And then how to understand this national initiative - is it really a spy, or did the envious neighbors slander?

          Yes, it’s probably easier and cheaper than taking people far into the steppe and destroying the exemplary farms they created. People are taught that, you know, even then they were taught. And again, "a nationwide initiative" among our people is one thing, and quite another among the Germans. "We do not know the measure either in love or in hatred." (Lyubov Yarovaya, Trenev) Their psychology was completely different, even then. Discipline, law-abidingness, decency, accuracy, sense of proportion ... These qualities they have, you will not deny? And if I say that these are the qualities of our peasants and workers ... People will laugh at me!
          1. Kwas
            Kwas 17 October 2020 10: 53 New
            0
            Quote: kalibr
            And again, "a national initiative" among our people is one thing, and quite another among the Germans. "We do not know the measure either in love or in hatred." (Lyubov Yarovaya, Trenev) Their psychology was completely different, even then. Discipline, law-abidingness, decency, accuracy, sense of proportion ... These qualities they have, you will not deny?

            Once such a "nationalist drunkenness" has begun (which is somewhat disgusting to me personally), it would be appropriate to recall what happened to the Germans in Germany itself, when the adored Fuhrer explained to them that they were a superior nation, and "subhumans" could be robbed, beaten, rape, kill ...
            Evaluate the phrase "it's not even so awful that the children's doctor during the war staged savage experiments on children, like the fact that after the war he again, and with a clear conscience, treated children." So the fears were not unfounded, and without "excesses", damn it, it just doesn't work!
      2. Captain Pushkin
        Captain Pushkin 16 October 2020 20: 47 New
        +4
        Quote: kalibr
        there is no doubt about it: we declare - for the extradition of a saboteur and a spy LIFETIME exemption of your family from all taxes. And then the people themselves would surely have caught all the spies and saboteurs.

        Then one person would remain at large, and the rest of the camps, "spies".
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 17 October 2020 08: 20 New
    0
    Quote: Pessimist22
    It is not said about the Koreans, they were sent from the Far East to Asia. That's how they settled in Kazakhstan.

    In Transbaikalia, the Chinese and Koreans lived permanently, at least in the mid-50s they lived there.
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 17 October 2020 18: 51 New
    0
    Quote: Pessimist22
    I believe that the Germans were unreasonably deported

    and at the same time, everyone returned the land, but the Germans did not, by the way, the descendants of those Germans and in Kazakhstan, ideal collective farms created
  • Far B
    Far B 16 October 2020 06: 24 New
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    The author somehow did not indicate his position on the issue under consideration. But these passages cannot but raise questions:
    and during the war, the enemy peoples were already deported, accused by Stalin of total betrayal
    Is there a documentary where Stalin accuses at least some of the deported people of "total betrayal"?
    The deportation of the "class alien population" in 1939-1941 was carried out after the annexation of Western Ukraine, Western Belarus, Bessarabia and the Baltic countries
    The Red Army entered the territory belonging to the state, which was strongly anti-Soviet. In addition, the previous authorities pursued an active policy of polonization / romanization there (add as necessary). Should the alien class element be left alone, waiting for them to inevitably spin the flywheel of the guerrilla war?
    some of the officers 21 were sent to Katyn
    And then the evil Beria shot them all. From a nominal revolver. One shot. Yeah. Or was it Stalin after all?
    The decree on eviction, it was argued without evidence that among the German population living in the Volga region, there are saboteurs and spies
    Is it really, really unproven? Or was there evidence after all, it was just that they were not included in the Decree? (yes, they are not given in the Decrees)
    The reason for the deportation of the Karachais was their complicity with the Germans during the occupation
    Widespread complicity - not a reason for deportation? Eh ...
    All these deportations, IMHO, were carried out in the case. They made it possible to avoid the start of an anti-Soviet struggle, sabotage, sabotage and terrorist attacks in the occupied / liberated territories, which otherwise would have happened inevitably and would have led to huge casualties, mostly among the population loyal to the Soviet government. During the eviction, of course, there were also victims, but in much smaller numbers, moreover, in the majority - among potential enemies of the Soviet regime. So the decision to deport was tough, but extremely correct.
    1. Alexander Suvorov
      Alexander Suvorov 16 October 2020 07: 00 New
      +4
      I completely agree with you, the author's passages are still attempts to pull the owl onto the globe. In addition, I believe that Stalin was a great humanist and actually by resettlement saved these peoples, otherwise they should have been practically destroyed for treason!
    2. Revolver
      Revolver 16 October 2020 07: 36 New
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      Quote: Dalny V
      And then the evil Beria shot them all. From a nominal revolver. One shot. Yeah. Or was it Stalin after all?

      Both, mind you, were Georgians. But the Poles are on friendly terms with the current "crap" Georgia, and by presenting Katyn they make Russia. Although there is nothing surprising in this. The Poles, as they were Russophobes, remained so.
      And yet no one could clearly explain why the holes in the Poles' skulls were of German 9mm caliber, and not Soviet 7,62. Could it be that the "bloody gebnya" expected the capture of Katyn by the Germans, and therefore used German guns to set up the Germans? Even in spite of the fact that up to 1941-06-22 everyone who doubted that the war would be waged on enemy territory, "with little blood, a mighty blow", had to be surrendered to this very "bloody gebna".
  • apro
    apro 16 October 2020 06: 45 New
    +5
    Copyright sufferings ... how bloody Jewish Bolsheviks are not so ...
    The position of the author is understood. There is no objective. There is a military necessity to act this way and not otherwise. Well, and suffering for the innocent.
  • Olgovich
    Olgovich 16 October 2020 07: 18 New
    -4
    In total, 12 nations were deported,

    Stalin was no exception... In 1940, with the outbreak of World War II, Great Britain interned 74 Germans, and 120 Japanese were taken to the United States to internment camps.

    There was an exception: Germany fought against England, Japan against the USA. And Kalmykia, for example, what, declared war and fought against the USSRthat the Kalmyks were deported?

    The main thing is that mass deportation SAVED from trial and execution real murderers and traitor-punishers from among the deported peoples, on whose conscience the blood of tens of thousands of our people: instead of trial and execution, they calmly lived life in Kazakhstan and returned to themselves already in the rank of "victims".
    )
    Before the war on June 13, 1941, in one night at the same time in many places, an operation was carried out to deport about 29 839 "socially alien" Moldovans.

    What do the Moldovans have to do with it? They were exiled from Bessarabia regardless of nationality: Little Russians, Russians, Germans, Bulgarians, etc.

    And innocent people WITHOUT trial, FOR ANYTHING, experienced wild long-term torment that crippled their lives forever: the terrible fate of Efrosinya Kersnovskaya is a vivid example of such fates of people who have passed all the circles of hell on earth.

    Did the deportation from Bessarabia bring even the slightest benefit? Absolutely no, except for the misunderstanding of what is happening by people, anger, hatred and the fall of the authority of the power owls, material losses and devastation. The stupidest decision
    1. pytar
      pytar 16 October 2020 09: 37 New
      -3
      They also had to determine the number of Armenians, Greeks and Bulgarians. In the process of work, they found out that the Armenians actively cooperated with the Tatars, and the Greeks and Bulgarians practically did not take part in the atrocities... ... Beria insisted on the expulsion of more Armenians, Greeks and Bulgarians "For an active fight against partisans".... and 36 thousand Armenians, Greeks and Bulgarians were also deported.

      I don’t understand why it was necessary ?! We are talking about the period when the SA has already liberated the territory! Couldn't they have identified specific persons who are to blame and have undertaken punitive mayors only against them?
      There is another crazy fact! During the fascist occupation of the Yuga by Ukraine, in order to escape the bullying of the German-Romanian occupants, several tens of thousands of ethnic Bulgarians moved to Bulgaria from there. After the victory of the USSR over Germany, the Soviet government put pressure on the Bulgarian / already / communist authorities, to give them back all the immigrants, with the motive that by 41 they were Soviet citizens! As soon as they were returned, the NKVD immediately deported everyone in Central Asia, from where few managed to return later.
      What do the Moldovans have to do with it? They were exiled from Bessarabia regardless of nationality: Little Russians, Russians, Germans, Bulgarians, etc. ? Absolutely nothing, except for a misunderstanding of what is happening by people, anger, hatred and the fall of the authority of the power owls, material losses and devastation. The stupidest decision

      The approach of totalitarian ideologized systems is typical, which caused enormous harm to the entire country! Instead of dealing with justice and punishing those who are to blame, they spent resources on massive repression and deportation! Punishing an innocent is not stupidity, but a crime!
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 16 October 2020 10: 01 New
        -4
        Quote: pytar
        I don’t understand why it was necessary ?! We are talking about the period when the SA has already liberated the territory! Couldn't they have identified specific persons who are to blame and have undertaken punitive mayors only against them?


        Yes, no one understands: thousands of punishers, for example, from among the Crimean Tatars, etc., on whose conscience terrible atrocities in the Crimea, calmly ... let's go live and work to another part of the USSR, survived, brought up hatred ... and returned back. \ "Martyrs".

        Absolute savagery. In fact, CHILDREN suffered, and besides, there was resentment that they had punished not the true culprits, but ... everyone.

        And if there were a trial, a sentence, a shooting, and no one would have uttered a peep, even then, not today, try to justify the punishers! And made of them "innocent" "victims". request

        Regarding the deportations in Bessarabia: my grandfather's wife came to Siberia THREE times to be sent to Siberia (an ordinary peasant, a huge family with 9 children).
        Kind people warned and he hid. He was not found, but with a horde of screaming children what to do without him? And so on until next time. And then the campaign just passed and he quietly worked on the collective farm, while the children served, studied, worked perfectly and conscientiously.
        AND TO WHOM would it be better if they were sent?

        And his two brothers, nevertheless, were sent with their families, having previously robbed: they survived, endured wild hardships (for what?), But survived, their children live in Irkutsk and on Baikal.

        And who needed it?
        1. pytar
          pytar 16 October 2020 10: 35 New
          -1
          I sympathize with your innocently repressed relatives, Andrey! hi I imagined how the NKVD came to the village and, due to the fact that several calabers collaborated with the Nazis, sent the whole village into exile! This is crazy! According to that perverted logic, a significant part of the Russian people should have been sent into exile, since hundreds of thousands of ethnic Russians also belonged to different kinds of clubsionalist formations! I am amazed at the similarity in the actions of the Nazis and the NKVD ists! They sent entire ethnic groups and politically undesirables to death camps! Mass repression on an ideological basis! The NKVD also acted in this way, although there were no crematoria, but one way or another, millions of innocent victims suffered! I don’t think that such a stupid approach added to the benefits of Soviet society! No.
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 16 October 2020 11: 11 New
            -3
            Quote: pytar
            I imagined how the NKVD came to the village and due to the fact that several calabers collaborated with the Nazis, they sent the whole village into exile!

            Our friends were sent in 1948 like this: children were in school at school, parents in the field, old people in the garden: they found EVERYONE in the field, at school, brought home and immediately from there to the station, to the train. Ordinary peasants honestly worked, served and studied.

            There was even a hot borscht left on the stove and EVERYTHING in general.

            And they began to wander around the timber industry and collective farms of the Urals, then the Donetsk mines, and only many years later they returned home, bought OWN parent's house from alcoholics, rebuilt and healed anew.

            WHO needed it?
            1. kalibr
              kalibr 16 October 2020 12: 15 New
              -4
              Quote: Olgovich
              WHO needed it?
              System of total subordination to the System!
              1. pytar
                pytar 16 October 2020 14: 29 New
                +1
                System of total subordination to the System!

                Very accurate definition! good And the minosovchiks should think about how they would look at all this if they did this to their relatives! hi
            2. Captain Pushkin
              Captain Pushkin 16 October 2020 21: 08 New
              +1
              Quote: Olgovich
              WHO needed it?

              In the Caucasus, even before the war, gangs of up to 100 people were operated on and it was not possible to liquidate them. The reason is simple - if the partisans are supported by the local population, they are indestructible.
              During the war in the liberated territories in the Baltics and the Caucasus, such gangs (partisans, if you like) staged terror against all who were loyal to Soviet power and against all bodies of Soviet power and the Red Army. It continued after the war.
              A radical way to eliminate this terror is to evict the entire population that is not loyal to the authorities, the gangs deprived of support are quickly liquidated.
              The alternative was large-scale hostilities with blocking areas, round-ups, combing and other delights. There would be a mass of victims, including completely civilians.
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich 17 October 2020 08: 00 New
                0
                Quote: Captain Pushkin
                In the Caucasus, even before the war, gangs of up to 100 people were operated on and it was not possible to liquidate them. The reason is simple - if the partisans are supported by the local population, they are indestructible.
                During the war in the liberated territories in the Baltics and the Caucasus, such gangs (partisans, if you like) staged terror against all who were loyal to Soviet power and against all bodies of Soviet power and the Red Army. It continued after the war.

                Have you evicted all Lithuanians, lays and Estonians? No? And the forest brothers disappeared. Doesn't fit your theory.

                And yes, show the law of the USSR, which allowed robbing and exiling citizens of the USSR without trial, incl. babies.
                Quote: Captain Pushkin
                The alternative was large-scale hostilities with blocking areas, round-ups, combing and other delights. There would be a mass of victims, including completely civilians.

                Aha, and so the masses of the dead on the way and exile CHILDREN "were not."

                And yes, according to what law did the punitive squads from the Crimean Tatar detachments, whose hands were covered in blood, instead of a noose and a bullet (as in Russia, Ukraine, etc.), went to LIVE?
                1. Captain Pushkin
                  Captain Pushkin 17 October 2020 11: 27 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  Have you evicted all Lithuanians, lays and Estonians? No? And the forest brothers disappeared.

                  They were evicted from the farms in the area of ​​which the gangs operated, and the "forest brothers" who were left without support were partially liquidated, partially forced to "lie low". During the "perestroika" it was all from the bottom and surfaced ...
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  as well as the masses of those killed on the way and in exile

                  In the event of hostilities, the number of civilians killed would have been many times greater.
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  Punishers from the Crimean Tatar detachments, whose hands are covered in blood to the elbows, instead of a loop and a bullet (as in Russia, Ukraine, etc.), went to LIVE

                  There was no way to filter out the punishers from the "uninvolved" - they did not leave witnesses, and they would not betray their own.
                  To destroy everyone, as the Finns, Poles, Germans and others did, Stalin's hand did not rise.
                  1. Oprichnik
                    Oprichnik 18 October 2020 02: 43 New
                    +2
                    Strange liberal suffering for traitors or their accomplices. But somehow there is no pity for those who were killed by all these forest brothers and other freedom fighters. My father, a military topographer, went to field work, including in Lithuania and Latvia, from April to September. So in Lithuania and Latvia in the 50s and 60s. he ALWAYS walked with a pistol, and the driver took AKM with him. And he gave me an order not to go far from home alone. And during the 1964 field season in Latvia, we constantly found out that in the area were killed: a teacher of the Russian language, a worker of the village council, the chairman of a collective farm, a secretary of the Komsomol organization, a teacher, a policeman disappeared ... And after that someone starts philosophizing about the "poor people who suffered from the NKVD and the Soviet power? Especially during the war? When there are already facts of betrayal? Of course, it would be better to deal with each individually.But experts are fighting at the front, so everyone was deported.
                    1. Olgovich
                      Olgovich 18 October 2020 07: 33 New
                      0
                      Quote: Oprichnik
                      Strange liberal suffering for traitors or their accomplices. But somehow there is no pity for those who were killed by all these forest brothers and other freedom fighters. My father, a military topographer, went to field work, including in Lithuania and Latvia, from April to September. So in Lithuania and Latvia in the 50s and 60s. he ALWAYS walked with a pistol, and the driver took AKM with him. And he gave me an order not to go far from home alone. And during the 1964 field season in Latvia, we constantly found out that in the area were killed: a teacher of the Russian language, a worker of the village council, the chairman of a collective farm, a secretary of the Komsomol organization, a teacher, a policeman disappeared ... And after that someone starts philosophizing about the "poor people who suffered from the NKVD and the Soviet power? Especially during the war? When there are already facts of betrayal? Of course, it would be better to deal with each individually.But experts are fighting at the front, so everyone was deported.

                      The traitorous accomplices survived and lived a long life.

                      A liberalistic solution is to SAVE punishers from the well-deserved BULLET, whose hands are covered in blood, with a ticket to LIFE in Kazakhstan.

                      Not getting the obvious?
                      Quote: Oprichnik
                      But the specialists are fighting at the front, that's why they were all deported.

                      talking nonsense: they were looking for and are looking for punishers and murderers still, because there is no statute of limitations for their crimes: the same trials in the USSR over them - to help you.
                      Specialists were found and "returned from the front", yes.

                      And these quietly lived quite a happy life for themselves. Stupidity and savagery.
                    2. Captain Pushkin
                      Captain Pushkin 18 October 2020 12: 15 New
                      0
                      Quote: Oprichnik
                      in Lithuania and Latvia in the 50s and 60s. he ALWAYS walked with a pistol, and the driver took AKM with him.

                      Until 1956, the United States, the United Kingdom, the Federal Republic of Germany and our other current "partners" sent armed terrorist gangs into the territory of the USSR. More often to the Baltics. And the routes have been worked out and there are plenty of local accomplices.
                  2. Olgovich
                    Olgovich 18 October 2020 07: 17 New
                    -3
                    Quote: Captain Pushkin
                    They were evicted from the farms in the area of ​​which the gangs operated, and the "forest brothers" who were left without support were partially liquidated, partially forced to "lie low". During the "perestroika" it was all from the bottom and surfaced ...

                    They also evicted BEFORE the forest brothers, and not only from farms, know this.

                    Brothers in Bessarabia never smelled.
                    Nonsense again
                    Quote: Captain Pushkin
                    In the event of hostilities, the number of civilians killed would have been many times greater.

                    1.Soviet authorities .... would kill civilians, WHAT are you talking about?

                    2 Show the USSR law that allows exile babies, come on!
                    Quote: Captain Pushkin
                    There was no way to filter out the punishers from the "uninvolved" - they did not leave witnesses, and they would not betray their own.

                    1. You are lying: both the witnesses of the sea and the events are known.

                    2. Tens of thousands of policemen, burgomasters, elders in Russia, Belarus and pr-filtered out and punished, how did the Crimean region of the RSFSR differ from them?
                    Quote: Captain Pushkin
                    To destroy everyone, as the Finns, Poles, Germans and others did, Stalin's hand did not rise.

                    Once again: murderers, sadists and punishers - lived a long happy life (instead of a bullet), unlike their victims. Made by Stalin, in fact, victims, martyrs and heroes
                    Children who did nothing are punished and died in part.

                    A more illogical, blatantly unfair solution is hard to come up with.
                    1. Captain Pushkin
                      Captain Pushkin 18 October 2020 12: 27 New
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                      Quote: Olgovich
                      1. You are lying: both the witnesses of the sea and the events are known.

                      2. Tens of thousands of policemen, burgomasters, elders in Russia, Belarus and pr-filtered out and punished, how did the Crimean region of the RSFSR differ from them?

                      You're lying. Name the "events" known to you during the occupation of Crimea. And who are the witnesses there?
                      The Crimean region differs in that it is an ethnic group, it is a closed system from which no information flows. There were no "individual sadists" and "individual not involved."
                      Are you worried about innocent children? Did they need to be removed from their parents and transferred to orphanages? Or what to do with them?
                      And on what basis? Stop shedding crocodile tears.
                      It is true about tens of thousands of traitors to the Motherland who have been punished. But not all. Even more of them were able to legalize, hide their past and live safely to the end of their days.
                      1. Olgovich
                        Olgovich 19 October 2020 08: 07 New
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                        Quote: Captain Pushkin
                        You're lying. Name the "events" known to you during the occupation of Crimea. And who are the witnesses there?

                        Ignorant, read, for example, Malgin A. V. Leadership of the partisan movement of the Crimea in 1941-1942: "the Tatar question" // Historical heritage of the Crimea. 2006.

                        For example, this is:
                        By evening, up to 200 Tatars from Ai-Serez and Shelen had gathered in Vorona. The paratroopers fired back. Then the Tatars decided to burn them alive. Help came to the Tatars from Kapsikhor. The community decided to collect money for the owner of the house to build a new house, they collected kerosene, fuel oil, straw and the house was burned down. All the paratroopers burned out

                        Everything is known, as you can see: the address, the participants, there is a document.

                        Those who BURNED ours, quietly left and lived a LONG HAPPY life
                        Quote: Captain Pushkin
                        There were no "individual sadists" and "individual not involved."

                        Again, you are lying: children are not involved a priori, and even Ahmet Khan, do not take notice of the other awardees.
                        Quote: Captain Pushkin
                        Are you worried about innocent children? Did they need to be removed from their parents and transferred to orphanages? Or what to do with them?
                        And on what basis? Stop shedding crocodile tears

                        Stop this cannibalism: ANY children have nothing to do with it and are not subject to any punishment under any law, even the USSR. And they suffered a terrible punishment, if it didn't come through.
                        Quote: Captain Pushkin
                        It is true about tens of thousands of traitors to the Motherland who have been punished. But not all. Even more of them were able to legalize, hide their past and live safely to the end of their days.

                        You are lying, bring documents, not fabrications.

                        And yes: among the Crimean Tatars, ALL the punishers survived and legally. Thanks, yes...
                      2. Captain Pushkin
                        Captain Pushkin 19 October 2020 09: 50 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        the house was burned down. All the paratroopers burned out

                        Are the names of the participants in the crime and the names of the witnesses known? No? Then collect and shoot all the inhabitants? With or without children?
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        You are lying, bring documents, not fabrications.
                        And yes: among the Crimean Tatars, ALL the punishers survived and legally.

                        Are the names of the punishers known? Do you know the names of the witnesses who are ready to confirm this? No?
                        Well, again a total execution? Again, what to do with the children?
  • Kwas
    Kwas 17 October 2020 11: 10 New
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    Quote: Olgovich
    There was an exception:

    What about the repression of the Irish by the British in the First World War? Not evicted - it was just hard. Or another example - the evictions of Indians in the United States throughout the XNUMXth century (as well as before and after), in PEACEFUL TIME, with numerous elements of genocide. Or another example - the eviction of Armenians by the Turks during the First World War, also with numerous elements of genocide. Or else - the expulsion of the Sudeten Germans by the Czechs after the war, and you will not believe it, also with numerous elements of genocide.
    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich 18 October 2020 07: 40 New
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      Quote: Kwas

      And how about repression of the British against the Irish in the first world? Not evicted - it was just hard. Or another example - the evictions of Indians in the United States throughout the XNUMXth century (as well as before and after), in PEACEFUL TIME, with numerous elements of genocide. Or another example - the eviction of Armenians by the Turks during the First World War, also with numerous elements of genocide. Or else - the expulsion of the Sudeten Germans by the Czechs after the war, and you will not believe it, also with numerous elements of genocide.


      Yes, NOT IN ANY WAY: Your examples are NOT similar in ANY sense to what happened in the USSR.

      But it is very indicative that YOU are criminal (and this is established by the laws of the USSR and the Russian Federation) trying to justify evictions by others crimes.
    2. Captain Pushkin
      Captain Pushkin 18 October 2020 12: 30 New
      0
      Quote: Kwas
      the expulsion of the Sudeten Germans by the Czechs after the war

      What about the eviction of Germans, Jews, Russians and Ukrainians by the Poles?
      Or the eviction of Germans by Lithuanians, Latvians and Estonians after the First World War?
      The list goes on, but I don't see the point.
  • Revolver
    Revolver 16 October 2020 07: 22 New
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    Yes, the deportation of entire nations was formally illegal, even under the Soviet laws of those times. But the alternative would be законный shooting or at least landing of all those who collaborated with the Germans, i.e. most of the male population of Chechnya, Ingushetia, Crimean Tatars. The women of these Muslim peoples did not know how to earn a living, their lot was housework, so that the families of the executed would hardly have survived the coming winter. In general, something similar to genocide would turn out, completely, mind you, legal. So extrajudicial deportation was a more humane alternative. And simply leaving cooperation with the Germans without attention was unfair and politically incorrect (although in those days there was no such word "politically correct", and what was politically correct then would have been politically incorrect today, and vice versa).
    1. Aviator_
      Aviator_ 16 October 2020 08: 15 New
      +3
      just disregard cooperation with the Germans

      If this is done, then the people will begin to deal with the accomplices, in particular, the Crimean Tatars had the opportunity to go on foot to Turkey in the shortest direction - across the Black Sea. And "bloody Stalin" essentially saved his accomplices.
    2. Olgovich
      Olgovich 16 October 2020 10: 16 New
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      Quote: Nagan
      ... The women of these Muslim peoples did not know how to earn a living, their lot was housework, so the families of the executed would hardly survive the coming winter. In general, it would turn out to be something similar to genocide, completely, mind you, legal

      What kind of "genocide"?

      And in Russian villages, for example, Smolensk region, how many men returned to women working for the same home?

      And the punishers were tried there in full-hanged, shot, exiled! And nobody thought about anything else.

      And in Crimea, punitive criminals received instead of a bullet ... a start in life (Kazakhstan) is a crime against the memory of their victims.
      1. Revolver
        Revolver 16 October 2020 19: 48 New
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        Quote: Olgovich
        And in Russian villages, for example, in the Smolensk region, how many men returned to women who work in the same house?

        Please don’t equate Russian women with Muslims. Throughout the war, Russian women in the village plowed for the peasants, and in the cities they stood up to the machine. And all the same, the war, which first knocked out the Russian village peasants, was one of the reasons for the destruction of the Russian countryside in the post-war period.
        And Muslim women could not even leave the house without being accompanied by a male relative. And do not poke at me the current Kazan Tatars, who at first glance cannot be distinguished from the Russians either by their clothes or by their manner. Urban Muslim women today and Muslim women from mountain villages then - these are, as they said in Odessa, 2 big differences.
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 16 October 2020 20: 14 New
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          Quote: Nagan
          Please don’t equate Russian women with Muslims. Throughout the war, Russian women in the village plowed for the peasants, and in the cities they stood up to the machine.

          In the village and aul women EVERYWHERE did the SAME.

          Nobody thought about any possible "genocide" (provide documents and evidence, not chatter): they wanted to punish, but they did it so stupidly, stupidly, awkwardly that, in fact, they saved from punishment a NON-HUMAN, who cannot be called a non-human today, because ... they are not condemned, but ... already "victims".
          Yes, and ELMENTARY, their own laws and concepts of justice trampled, spat and trampled along with the memory of unrevenged victims executioners.


          And yes, in the country after the Second World War there were MILLIONS of homeless children, refugees, unsettled and lonely, and nowhere they otgenocidis
          And yet, in Muslim countries there is no mass death of soldiers? Yeah, and the people are dying out at once (in your opinion)?
    3. Igoresha
      Igoresha 16 October 2020 12: 27 New
      -1
      But the alternative would be a legal execution
      Come on, Stalin was quite liberal to the executioners of the Soviet people, and the Bandera and forest brothers all lived quite well in the camps
    4. Sugar Honeyovich
      Sugar Honeyovich 16 October 2020 16: 01 New
      +6
      Quote: Nagan
      So extrajudicial deportation was a more humane alternative

      "Sergei Georgievich from a young age knew from his Crimean relatives that the resettlement of the Tatar people in 1944 as a whole was perceived by many among the people as a" wise "and even" happy "decision (the later attitude of the Crimean Tatars to the 1944 action is another matter). ..
      In the already mentioned conversation, S.G. Kara-Murza said that among the Crimean Tatars then there was an awareness of the resettlement of the people as a whole as a "lesser" trouble, because if young and mature men were "isolated" from it, the growth of the population would have stopped , that is, in fact, the end of his natural life would come ... And the resettled Crimean Tatar people by 1951 had already born 18830 children, that is, 10 percent of the total number of migrants349. To assess this figure, one should know that by 1951 there were 20,9 million children under the age of five in the USSR, that is, 12 percent of the country's population at the beginning of 1946 - not much more than the resettled Crimean Tatars ... "(In V. Kozhinov)
    5. Kwas
      Kwas 17 October 2020 11: 17 New
      +1
      Quote: Nagan
      Women of these Muslim peoples did not know how to make a living, their lot was housework

      What nonsense! Muslim women do nothing but work in the house and in the garden, in the cowshed, in the chicken coop, etc. And often it is on them in the village that the economy actually keeps. I'm not talking about the rich.
      1. Revolver
        Revolver 17 October 2020 22: 34 New
        0
        All of the works listed by you, mind you, in the house or in the yard. But money is not earned that way, and without money you cannot buy salt or matches, not to mention clothes and shoes. You cannot feed a family with a single vegetable garden and a chicken coop, but to graze sheep is to leave the yard, which Muslim women were not supposed to be without being accompanied by a male relative. And you can't heat the winter with dung from a cow, but you have to buy firewood at the market, i.e. again outside the yard. In general, in that way, without a man in the house, it did not work.
    6. Oprichnik
      Oprichnik 18 October 2020 02: 44 New
      -1
      Well said - Nagant !!!
  • Moskovit
    Moskovit 16 October 2020 08: 04 New
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    There are different opinions about deportation. A Russian friend of mine, who was born in Chechnya, said that until the early 70s, Chechens who returned from exile were quiet and were afraid to raise their eyes. For us now it seems that this is great. But what happened then ...
    Another friend, a Lithuanian, himself survived the deportation. A German from the broken parts of the Wehrmacht spent the night in their shed, and when there was a struggle with the forest brothers, neighbors reported on them, they say, he once sheltered the Nazis. The family was from ordinary peasants, even rather poor. Three children. To the carriage and to the Krasnoyarsk Territory. It was hard. Nobody knew Russian yet. The locals at first thought they were Germans. There were many conflicts. But then we figured it out and healed normally. After permission, he did not return. Made a career in Russia. He does not harbor anger at the Soviet regime. He says this deportation may have saved their lives, because there was a real civil war in Lithuania. Many of the forest brothers were accomplices of the fascists and punishers. But all the same, the Lithuanians still resent. I think the same with all resettled peoples. You can't do it all together. Both the guilty and the right. Therefore, these peoples were then in the vanguard of the destruction of the USSR and Russia.
    1. kalibr
      kalibr 16 October 2020 08: 17 New
      +4
      Quote: Moskovit
      Therefore, these peoples were then in the vanguard of the destruction of the USSR and Russia.

      + + + + + + + + +
    2. New Year day
      New Year day 16 October 2020 08: 24 New
      +2
      Quote: Moskovit
      You can't do it all together. Both the guilty and the right. Therefore, these peoples were then in the vanguard of the destruction of the USSR and Russia.

      gold words! Nothing on earth passes without a trace.
    3. apro
      apro 16 October 2020 08: 49 New
      +7
      Quote: Moskovit
      You can't do it all together.

      And how it should be ??? and there were the forces of the means as it should? In peacetime it is not always smart to get it ... but in a war, where on the scales is the life of millions of loyal citizens who go to death. ..it is a tough choice. but it was made. and gave the result.
      1. Moskovit
        Moskovit 16 October 2020 09: 51 New
        -1
        Let's say about the Germans, I agree. No matter how anyone said, Volksdeutsche served the fascists a lot. But those peoples who were already on the liberated territory. They could have investigated and shot all accomplices. Why was the Bryansk region not deported because of the Lokot republic?
        It is clear that now you can talk as much as you like. But I know, even if they throw stones at me, but if Russia recognized the illegality of deportation and made at least media efforts in this direction, relations with the Baltic states would improve.
        1. apro
          apro 16 October 2020 10: 41 New
          +3
          As I understand it, you don't know how to do it, how to win a war without resorting to repressive measures? In hindsight, everyone is smart ...
          Quote: Moskovit
          But I know, let them throw stones at me, but if Russia recognized the illegality of deportation

          Russia can vse..especially kick the USSR.
          It was not Russia that made decisions not for her to discuss them, and that is how it made decisions, especially on Katyn.
          1. Moskovit
            Moskovit 16 October 2020 11: 13 New
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            What does the war have to do with it. Have you read the chronology of the deportations? How did the deportation of the Crimean Tatars help the victory?
            1. apro
              apro 16 October 2020 11: 16 New
              +1
              Quote: Moskovit
              What does the war have to do with it

              Key phrase ... yes, it all happened somehow ??? from innate Jewish-Bolshevik malice ...
              1. Moskovit
                Moskovit 16 October 2020 11: 56 New
                +1
                We talked about how to win the war. I fully understand the eviction of the Volga Germans. But the deportations of 44-47 years are revenge. And revenge is not on those who really need to take revenge. But among these peoples there were those who fought and died for the Motherland. Communists. Komsomol members. And most importantly, what is the result. That they became more of the USSR and then love Russia?
                1. apro
                  apro 16 October 2020 12: 51 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Moskovit
                  But the deportation of 44-47 is revenge

                  You think so, but the Soviet government did not think so.
                  Quote: Moskovit
                  That they became more of the USSR and then love Russia?

                  The slime of a child? To love or not to love is a personal matter. And to feel oneself as a single people is another. A normal member of society is the value. If there is a common goal. And if everyone decided to build their own nest separately, it does not matter.
        2. bukhach
          bukhach 16 October 2020 13: 46 New
          +3
          П
          Quote: Moskovit
          Let's say about the Germans, I agree. No matter how anyone said, Volksdeutsche served the fascists a lot. But those peoples who were already on the liberated territory. They could have investigated and shot all accomplices. Why was the Bryansk region not deported because of the Lokot republic?
          It is clear that now you can talk as much as you like. But I know, even if they throw stones at me, but if Russia recognized the illegality of deportation and made at least media efforts in this direction, relations with the Baltic states would improve.

          The Bryansk region was not deported because Kaminsky took his republicans to the Germans and thereby made life easier for our security agencies. And the peoples in the liberated territory were a breeding ground for banditry, due to their tribal relations, representatives of these peoples would provide all-round support to their fellow tribesmen, who served the Germans in large numbers and, for whatever reason, did not leave with them following the example of the Lokot Republic. Sadly, old people, women and children in a legal position quite help themselves to illegal immigrants with food, information, and medical assistance - all this is passed They made fun of the Baltic states, before the Poles, as many as two preziks obeyed for Katyn, and what? How did some mad priest shout: we will never forgive you. Not, well, maybe if, following the example of the Americans, you kiss their feet- then we will embrace.
          1. Moskovit
            Moskovit 16 October 2020 14: 10 New
            +7
            That is, moving these very enemies inland, is this normal?
            What is all this about? These deportations, as deportations of the kulak type, have left a deep imprint on the memory of generations and cause alienation to the state in which you live. Especially if you say yes it's okay. And it should have been.
            1. bukhach
              bukhach 16 October 2020 17: 30 New
              0
              Alienation from the state has always been inherent in a part of our people, regardless of deportations, rather, on the contrary, people themselves fled from their homes to the outskirts to far away, and to assess the events of those times only from the point of view of morality is incorrect, the war itself is an immoral thing. the effectiveness of these deportations helped to reduce the level of banditry or not? I don’t know, I was not interested, but if so, for all their inhumanity, these actions were useful. The atomic bombings were barbaric in relation to the civilian population, but the Americans believe that they forced Japan to surrender, That is, they turned out to be effective. Normally, it does not normally depend on specific conditions, it is not normal to kill a person in ordinary life, but in war it is commonplace.
        3. Olgovich
          Olgovich 16 October 2020 20: 25 New
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          Quote: Moskovit
          But those peoples who were already on the liberated territory. Could investigate and shoot all accomplices.

          True, it was NECESSARY to shoot (condemning), and they ... were saved, giving a start in life, to Kazakhstan
          Quote: Moskovit
          Why was the Bryansk region not deported because of the Lokot republic?

          But all the traitors were shot there - and absolutely rightly so.

          And the Crimean bloody bandits ... were sent live
          Quote: Moskovit
          It is clear that now you can talk as much as you like. But I know, even if they throw stones at me, but if Russia recognized the illegality of deportation and made at least media efforts in this direction, relations with the Baltic states would improve.

          Unclear. how can you not know that illegality was officially recognized a long time ago and the USSR and the Russian Federation, there are acc. The laws.

          But this did not improve and could not improve in relations with the Balts - everything is much deeper there ...
    4. Oprichnik
      Oprichnik 18 October 2020 02: 50 New
      0
      Learn history. It contains a lot of facts describing how these peoples, having become "independent" in the 1920s, immediately declared Russians to be second or even third class people and subjected them to economic, political and national pressure. Already for what the Estonians did with the White Guard army that had retreated to their territory, defeated by the Red Army, they had to be deported to the Arctic Circle even when they joined in 1940 !!!.
      1. Moskovit
        Moskovit 18 October 2020 16: 14 New
        +1
        Tell me, how then will we differ from the Nazis? You are Estonian, so you are beyond the Arctic Circle. You are a Latvian, you go to the Kolyma.
    5. Captain Pushkin
      Captain Pushkin 18 October 2020 12: 40 New
      +1
      Quote: Moskovit
      Therefore, these peoples were then in the vanguard of the destruction of the USSR and Russia.

      They were in the vanguard because all these shortcomings eventually infiltrated all government structures and were, in fact, a "sleeping" fifth column. For example, in Lithuania, the father of the first President during the years of occupation was a minister and was in charge of, among other things, concentration camps.
      1. Moskovit
        Moskovit 18 October 2020 16: 16 New
        -1
        That is, it was necessary to simply shoot everyone, young and old?
  • A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 16 October 2020 08: 52 New
    -1
    The literary nation approves the trial balloon.
    Author credits. good
  • Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
    Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 16 October 2020 09: 11 New
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    “It is necessary to distinguish between the nationalism of the oppressor nation and the nationalism of the oppressed nation, the nationalism of a large nation and a small nation.
    In relation to the second nationalism, almost always in historical practice, we, the nationals of a large nation, find ourselves guilty of an infinite amount of violence and even more - we unnoticeably commit an infinite number of violence and insults. "
    V.I. Lenin, PSS, t.45
    1. bukhach
      bukhach 16 October 2020 13: 53 New
      0
      Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      “It is necessary to distinguish between the nationalism of the oppressor nation and the nationalism of the oppressed nation, the nationalism of a large nation and a small nation.
      In relation to the second nationalism, almost always in historical practice, we, the nationals of a large nation, find ourselves guilty of an infinite amount of violence and even more - we unnoticeably commit an infinite number of violence and insults. "
      V.I. Lenin, PSS, t.45

      The conclusion is that it urgently needs to become a small nation, and even smaller than the current small ones, and then they will be guilty of an endless number of violence and insults, and we will be innocent sufferers, as they are now.
      1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 16 October 2020 14: 18 New
        -2
        A funny reaction to Lenin's thesis.
      2. Captain Pushkin
        Captain Pushkin 18 October 2020 12: 44 New
        +2
        Quote: Buhach
        The conclusion is that it urgently needs to become a small nation, and even smaller than the current small ones, and then they will be guilty of an endless number of violence and insults, and we will be innocent sufferers, as they are now.

        We will not. The former small ones will simply destroy their nationalism in the absence of any restraining factor (get it, if anything), who "prevented them from living happily" or squeezed out to other territories.
        The present-day Baltic is a bright example.
        1. bukhach
          bukhach 18 October 2020 17: 55 New
          +1
          The Baltics are still in flowers, berries in other, especially Asian republics, have ripened. Personally, I had the opportunity to get first-hand information from refugees from Kyrgyzstan and Kazakhstan. There they cut and not only squeezed out, however, as in some national republics of Russia.
    2. Oprichnik
      Oprichnik 18 October 2020 02: 53 New
      0
      Lenin is a well-known Russophobe, one of the biggest traitors to the Russian people. This quote and many others, generously scattered over his opuses, prove this unequivocally.
      1. EvilLion
        EvilLion 23 October 2020 13: 16 New
        0
        Make ukolchiki.
  • A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 16 October 2020 09: 23 New
    +4
    in the United States, 120 thousand Japanese were taken to internment camps.

    You should know that the decree on eviction was in effect from February 1942. In January 1945 everything was canceled and within a year the internment camps were empty. In 1948, they began to pay partial compensation.

    In 1988, President Ronald Reagan signed a document that apologized on behalf of the US Government for internment caused by "racial prejudice, war hysteria, and political error."

    He signed a decree, according to which each detainee was paid compensation in the amount of 20 thousand dollars, totaling $ 1,2 billion. On September 27, 1992, an additional $ 400 million was allocated to pay compensation.
  • Million
    Million 16 October 2020 09: 55 New
    0
    Russia has no friends and will not
    1. kalibr
      kalibr 16 October 2020 20: 10 New
      +1
      Quote: Million
      Russia has no friends and will not

      As long as she does stupid things, she won't!
      1. anykin
        anykin 16 October 2020 23: 43 New
        +3
        Quote: kalibr
        As long as she does stupid things, she won't!

        Right. It was necessary to thin out the Japanese, make friends.
        1. Captain Pushkin
          Captain Pushkin 18 October 2020 12: 46 New
          0
          Quote: anykin
          Quote: kalibr
          As long as she does stupid things, she won't!

          Right. It was necessary to thin out the Japanese, make friends.

          And not only the Japanese, but many others.
      2. EvilLion
        EvilLion 23 October 2020 13: 18 New
        0
        And what actions should she do? Practice shows that neighbors do not want to live honestly.

        Britain has no allies at all, and even more so, there are only British interests. But the Britons don't complain about the lack of friends.
  • ee2100
    ee2100 16 October 2020 09: 57 New
    -10
    The article was written for the sake of hype and, as you can see, the author achieved his result, the court on the comments.
    One could have written a shorter article.
    "Today is October 16, 2020" All!
  • iouris
    iouris 16 October 2020 11: 05 New
    +2
    This is already history. Your (our) understanding of expediency and fairness cannot be applied to the circumstances and customs of that historical period. It would not be an exaggeration to say that almost every person and all peoples in the XNUMXth century "were subjected to deportation."
    The movement of labor resources during the formation of capitalism (especially in the USA) was spontaneous, in the USSR during the period of industrialization and war it was organized by the state. This made it possible to win the war, restore the economy in a short time, improve the life of the population, develop "democracy" and take away the economy.
    1. Moskovit
      Moskovit 16 October 2020 11: 20 New
      +2
      For example, my grandmother lived in the occupied territory. When our people returned, she took an active part in the restoration of the economy. She commanded captive Germans in peat extraction. It would be great if she was sent to hell. For being there.
      1. kalibr
        kalibr 16 October 2020 12: 23 New
        +6
        Quote: Moskovit
        For example, my grandmother lived in the occupied territory. When our people returned, she took an active part in the restoration of the economy.

        Now imagine, Alexey, that your grandmother, well, had a quarrel with her friend, they did not share the guy, or, quite rudely, did not "give" someone. And they wrote on her "where necessary" that she "hobnobbed with German officers" and worked for the invaders. Could this be? It could! And what would happen to your grandmother then?
        1. EvilLion
          EvilLion 23 October 2020 13: 10 New
          0
          Nothing would have happened, because the USSR is still a rule-of-law state, and the investigating bodies receive such requests out of revenge in wagons. As for the work for the invaders, then everyone worked, as it were, you have to live, the Katyn case is quite interesting in this regard, where the German soldiers, who are being brought to the former, are being shot. sanatorium of Poles, local women washed. Tellingly, the women turned out to be smart, and realizing that the Germans first were doing something completely bad, and then getting drunk (it’s clear that they didn’t show too much to the service staff), after a while they quit, and when it became clear that ours were on the way, and the Gestapo may remember them, they were safely piled into the forest.

          So the statement "to work for the invaders" needs to be strongly concretized, the waitress in the officers' mess, as it were, also works for them. As well as the shoemaker, whose boots are repaired by soldiers.
  • pereselenec
    pereselenec 16 October 2020 11: 17 New
    +2
    Stalinist deportations of peoples

    A dangerous topic for historians. It is possible to analyze to the point that you have to apologize to compatriots from the southern regions of our vast country, having previously arrived to them in the trunk of a tinted jeep. wassat

    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion 23 October 2020 13: 03 New
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      Let's say Pykhalov is right about the Ingush, but he is also right about the Chechens and Crimean Tatars. At the same time, another question, would it not have turned out that the locals would not even ask for nationality and would have remembered everything and everyone in a crowd.
  • Operator
    Operator 16 October 2020 11: 33 New
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    The United States and Britain can deport / intern their citizens, and the USSR - no way: Americans, British and local Russophobes do not say so am
    1. kalibr
      kalibr 16 October 2020 12: 20 New
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      That's right, Andrey! Because they pay compensation for the mistakes of the war, but we don't! And you have to pay for everything in life!
  • megavolt823
    megavolt823 16 October 2020 12: 13 New
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    Didn't you shoot ?! And thank God! But they could. But time has shown the correctness of actions.
  • Operator
    Operator 16 October 2020 12: 35 New
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    Quote: kalibr
    you have to pay for everything in life

    Let the Americans first pay the n-th amount of trillion dollars to African Americans - let's talk laughing
    1. iouris
      iouris 16 October 2020 13: 34 New
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      This is a fundamentally wrong statement of the question. The "Russians" did not use the "fraternal peoples" (even the repressed ones) as slaves, because there were no slaves in the Stalinist empire, but all people were viewed as "cogs" and "dumbbells". The system worked for the future. In the future, everyone received equal rights, although the Russians were "more equal".
      During the war, people, labor resources (peoples) were moved to the more productive lands of Central Asia, where these resources 1) were used more efficiently for the front and victory, 2) could not pose a threat to the communications of the active army, 3) were forced to enter into closer relations with the state, gained experience of interaction with representatives of other nations, received the necessary specialties and skills, equipped wild lands, etc. Of course, this is a barbaric method, but it worked and there was no other option. And there were big victims everywhere: at the front. in the occupation, in the rear ... Eternal memory to the victims.
      1. Operator
        Operator 16 October 2020 13: 46 New
        +2
        This was not a question, but sarcasm (see smiley).
        1. kalibr
          kalibr 16 October 2020 14: 36 New
          +2
          I thought so!
      2. Revolver
        Revolver 16 October 2020 20: 13 New
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        Quote: iouris
        "Russians" did not use "fraternal peoples" (even repressed ones) as slaves

        Russians used as slaves Russians, the same Orthodox, until the reform of 1861. In America, by the way, slavery was abolished not much later, in 1865. But at least in America, blacks were used for this, who in all seriousness were then quite scientifically, from the point of view of Darwin's theory, considered a transitional form from a monkey to a white man. Precisely blacks, because in those days neither the politically correct term "African Americans" nor the political correctness itself had been invented.
        1. Captain Pushkin
          Captain Pushkin 18 October 2020 12: 50 New
          +1
          Quote: Nagan
          in America, blacks were used for this, who, in all seriousness, were then quite scientifically, from the point of view of Darwin's theory, considered a transitional form from a monkey to a white man.

          And also millions of Irishmen who were sold into slavery in America by the British.
        2. EvilLion
          EvilLion 23 October 2020 13: 00 New
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          Just for reference, absolutely any person who was sold into slavery, including both white and white slaves in the United States, could be a slave, there were many, since a variety of people were sent from Europe. Captain Blood, although a literary character, has thousands of real-life prototypes. And in the same way, in the United States, a black slave owner could well be, such cases are known.

          I also recommend studying and understanding the difference between a slave and a serf.
    2. Revolver
      Revolver 16 October 2020 20: 01 New
      +1
      Quote: Operator

      Let the Americans first pay the n-th amount of trillion dollars to African Americans - let's talk laughing

      If Negros ah, excuse the political incorrectness, African Americans and deserve any reparations for slavery, it is only in the form of a one-way ticket to anywhere in Africa of their choice. But for some reason African Americans are in no hurry to return to Africa, but on the contrary African non-Americans are trying by all means to become African Americans, or African Europeans.
      For those who do not know - I am a US citizen. It's a pity the flag is no longer shown, it should be returned.
  • Arman Abilsiitov
    Arman Abilsiitov 16 October 2020 14: 32 New
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    And still, the Stalinist regime still has admirers ...
    1. kalibr
      kalibr 16 October 2020 20: 14 New
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      Armand! 80% of people in any society are not smart enough, educated, socialized, have little property and cannot even manage it. Look at the balconies littered with rubbish, at the dachas turned into warehouses of every city ... At best, these are the townspeople in the first generation, who were sent to the grandmothers and grandfathers in the village in childhood and kneaded cow cakes in the grass. Consciousness is the most paternalistic, impressions of the world are scanty, intellectual abilities are saturated with fathers even before conception or during it. Hence all the problems ...
      1. Kwas
        Kwas 17 October 2020 11: 31 New
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        Quote: kalibr
        Armand! 80% of people in any society are not smart enough, educated, socialized, have little property and cannot even manage it.

        Will you give me a source? And then, just what - give me a source, and he himself - such unfounded accusations. Not good! stop negative
      2. EvilLion
        EvilLion 23 October 2020 12: 54 New
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        It's really hard to argue with this, and my dad, originally from the village, has just moved his head, collecting all sorts of pieces of iron that the room is littered with, which seems to be not a centner in the car, which in no way improves fuel consumption and wear, not to mention damage salon. Typically peasant "thrift", collect for a ruble, for 10 damage. Well, what to do, before Stalin nobody tried to make people out of them.
    2. Xnumx vis
      Xnumx vis 17 October 2020 18: 34 New
      +2
      Quote: Arman Abilsiitov
      And still, the Stalinist regime still has admirers ...

      I think these are not fans of Stalin, as such, or that time. People want justice .. For example, the governor, together with his team, stole budget money allocated for schools, children. gardens, repair of city communications .. And he was suspended for a year ... he was sentenced .. And an ordinary person stole an iron, he will be imprisoned for five years ... That is the desire to return Stalin's times .. In the justice of punishment!
      1. Errr
        Errr 18 October 2020 08: 41 New
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        Quote: 30 vis
        This is what the desire for the return of Stalinist times is .. In the justice of punishment!
        This path leads to a dead end. There were no problems with punishment; there were problems with fairness - that's the problem. The pseudo-Stalinists live in their own special, and they themselves and the virtual world constructed by them, and they call Stalin not a specific historical figure - a living person with all his passions, but a contrived god-genius, truly faithful and infallible. Another sect of poor pseudo-witnesses ...
        1. Xnumx vis
          Xnumx vis 18 October 2020 17: 15 New
          +1
          You, you said everything correctly .. exactly
          Quote: Herrr
          contrived god-genius, truly faithful and infallible. Another sect of poor pseudo-witnesses ...

          I didn't find the right words .. am But we really want a fair and inevitable punishment for those who destroy the faith in statehood.
          1. Errr
            Errr 18 October 2020 18: 30 New
            +1
            The fate of any temple, erected on a lie, is to be destroyed, for power is solely in truth. hi
            1. Xnumx vis
              Xnumx vis 18 October 2020 18: 59 New
              +1
              Quote: Herrr
              The fate of any temple, erected on a lie, is to be destroyed, for power is solely in truth. hi

              It is uncomfortable and dangerous to live in this temple at this time ... And it is not a fact that the new temple will be built on the truth .. drinks
              1. Errr
                Errr 18 October 2020 20: 03 New
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                drinks
                Bare swords
                On wild horses
                Those who do not know saddles
                We will rush away.
                smile
  • Tests
    Tests 16 October 2020 17: 58 New
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    And after 1945, the Deputy People's Commissar of Internal Affairs and the Deputy Minister of Internal Affairs of the USSR did not hear about the great March 1949 deportation from the Soviet Baltic region? Or just didn't write it in your diary? And what about the resettlement of Armenians, Azerbaijanis, and Greeks at the same time? And what about the cleaning of the western districts of the Pskov region? And the Ingrian Finns? ... Maybe I didn’t read the material carefully, but I didn’t find the "executive general" Ivan Aleksandrovich Serov's gaze ... Dear author, Serov's diary who, when, where, and under what circumstances found it? Where is the diary now? How to read it? ...
  • andrew42
    andrew42 16 October 2020 18: 10 New
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    Much frank whine about deportations. Altai, you see, did not please. Tashkent did not fit. Mother Siberia is generally melancholy. Or maybe it was necessary to deport to Leningrad? To be on an equal footing, with the Russians, together, eh? To the second capital, but to the siege of bread! Russian since the time of the tsar when "went from Siberia to Siberia" did not groan oh wei. And here, the direct accomplices of the invaders, anti-Sovietists - just a Nazi mob.reserve! Take it, it's done! Even if there are 30 percent of the proven contingent, and that is a complete Achtung. By the way, Russian Germans practically do not whine less about deportations, they do not like to remember, because it hurts, but ... the Germans still have developed state thinking, for which they are honored and praised.
  • Radikal
    Radikal 16 October 2020 19: 51 New
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    Quote: pytar
    They also had to determine the number of Armenians, Greeks and Bulgarians. In the process of work, they found out that the Armenians actively cooperated with the Tatars, and the Greeks and Bulgarians practically did not take part in the atrocities... ... Beria insisted on the expulsion of more Armenians, Greeks and Bulgarians "For an active fight against partisans".... and 36 thousand Armenians, Greeks and Bulgarians were also deported.

    I don’t understand why it was necessary ?! We are talking about the period when the SA has already liberated the territory! Couldn't they have identified specific persons who are to blame and have undertaken punitive mayors only against them?
    There is another crazy fact! During the fascist occupation of the Yuga by Ukraine, in order to escape the bullying of the German-Romanian occupants, several tens of thousands of ethnic Bulgarians moved to Bulgaria from there. After the victory of the USSR over Germany, the Soviet government put pressure on the Bulgarian / already / communist authorities, to give them back all the immigrants, with the motive that by 41 they were Soviet citizens! As soon as they were returned, the NKVD immediately deported everyone in Central Asia, from where few managed to return later.
    What do the Moldovans have to do with it? They were exiled from Bessarabia regardless of nationality: Little Russians, Russians, Germans, Bulgarians, etc. ? Absolutely nothing, except for a misunderstanding of what is happening by people, anger, hatred and the fall of the authority of the power owls, material losses and devastation. The stupidest decision

    The approach of totalitarian ideologized systems is typical, which caused enormous harm to the entire country! Instead of dealing with justice and punishing those who are to blame, they spent resources on massive repression and deportation! Punishing an innocent is not stupidity, but a crime!

    You first deal with your history, especially during the Second World War, and we will figure it out with our own! sad
  • vindigo
    vindigo 16 October 2020 22: 20 New
    +3
    Now they are trying to whitewash the Chechens. They say that they smashed the Germans in the tail and in the mane. They find all kinds of heroes. Most effective sniper, etc.
    1. Captain Pushkin
      Captain Pushkin 18 October 2020 12: 58 New
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      Quote: vindigo
      Now they are trying to whitewash the Chechens. They say that they smashed the Germans in the tail and in the mane. They find all kinds of heroes. Most effective sniper, etc.

      The division in which his father fought in Moscow received the title of 18th Guards. Those. among the first.
      According to her father, she would have received this title even earlier, but an emergency happened - a marching platoon of replenishment, all natives of the Caucasus, went to the Germans on the very first night in full force.
  • vladimir v.
    vladimir v. 17 October 2020 10: 57 New
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    For some reason, none of the representatives of the "offended" peoples recalls that about 20 million Soviet citizens were evacuated from the western regions of the USSR to the Urals, Smbir, Central Asia and Kazakhstan. But these twenty million lived in dugouts, which they made themselves, worked on machines under one roof, because the walls of the workshops did not have time to be erected, they ate on coupons, and we also traveled in heating boxes converted from freight cars. It was my parents who told me how they were transported from Ueraina to Siberia. And now no one remembers our parents, because they understood that the country needed this. And there were about 2 million deported people, they were taken to the same places as our parents. , but since 56, almost every day I hear the crying and groaning of the relatives of the deported. In the village where my grandfather and grandmother are in Siberia, Germans were deported. They quickly settled down, worked normally, no one reproached them for being Germans. They worked. In these groans about the victims of the deported (ordinary citizens also died during the evacuation and in the evacuation), just once again spoil the USSR.
    1. Oprichnik
      Oprichnik 18 October 2020 03: 00 New
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      Vladimir - your comment is perhaps the best. You can't say more precisely
    2. Georgy shelike
      Georgy shelike 23 October 2020 11: 32 New
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      Nobody put the evacuees on a special account, did not send them behind barbed wire to the labor army or to the Gulag for absence from a dream settlement at a distance of over 50 kilometers. The mortality rate among the deported from hunger and cold was an order of magnitude higher than among the evacuees. All those evacuated after the war (except for Crimean Jews) could return home, while the deportees were told that their exile was eternal. The cancellation of the eternal exile began only 10 years after the end of the war. And the Germans and Meskhetian Turks have not received the opportunity to return to the Volga region and, accordingly, Georgia until now.
      Do you feel the difference?
  • bbss
    bbss 17 October 2020 14: 13 New
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    My mother, the kingdom of heaven to her, during the war worked in Moscow at one of the sewing factories. So the head of the shop they had was a German woman from emigrants of the 30s. She was strict to the point of harshness, demanding and pedantic. It was during the most difficult period of the war, but everyone respected and loved her and NOBODY wrote any complaints or denunciations!
    1. Georgy shelike
      Georgy shelike 23 October 2020 11: 24 New
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      In 41, the military commandant of Moscow sent out to all Germans living in Moscow, including political emigrants and workers of the Comintern, an order to get registered and leave Moscow within 24 hours.
      My grandmother and grandfather said that this was probably some mistake and did not obey the order. Two days later, the order regarding political emigrants and Comintern members was canceled, the commandant was punished, but those who obeyed this order were not removed from the special register and returned to Moscow.
  • mark021105
    mark021105 17 October 2020 18: 23 New
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    Why did the author not mention the very first deported people in 1937? Koreans who had lived there since the middle of the 19th century were expelled from the Primorsky Territory, Khabarovsk Territory and Amur Region ...
  • Iskazi
    Iskazi 17 October 2020 21: 04 New
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    The deportations were justified, because the leadership thought so, especially since there was a war ..., it is simply stupid to stretch modern concepts at that time, especially since the enemies were real and did not suffer from humanism and tolerance, and kicking the dead was simple indecent, It was their country, their war, their politics, and they lived in the realities of that time, managed as best they could.
  • hjvtp1966
    hjvtp1966 17 October 2020 21: 29 New
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    Quote: Captain Pushkin
    c "was accepted and not extradited. After that, the deportation of the Germans was approved.

    Recently I read Serov - I wrote a lot, not a word about the landing. Really forgotten ?!
    1. Captain Pushkin
      Captain Pushkin 18 October 2020 13: 07 New
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      Quote: hjvtp1966
      Quote: Captain Pushkin
      c "was accepted and not extradited. After that, the deportation of the Germans was approved.

      Recently I read Serov - I wrote a lot, not a word about the landing. Really forgotten ?!

      I cannot vouch for the accuracy. But the former soldier told in the presence of a former border guard (these are the NKVD troops), who served in SMERSH during the war, and after the war, who fought with the "forest brothers" and other evil spirits.
      Whether Serov wrote everything, what he knew or not, I cannot say.
  • nnz226
    nnz226 17 October 2020 21: 46 New
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    And now myths tell about "innocently deported peoples" ... I heard in 1980 the story of a veteran who was taken prisoner in Sevastopol in July 1942 because of the betrayal of his superiors, about the "exploits" of the Crimean Tatars. He was lucky, survived captivity, in April 1944 he was released, unlike the slander of Solzhenitsyn, he was not subjected to repression, he was returned to the ranks of the Red Army, but due to general weakness after captivity, he and his comrades were not sent into battle to storm Sevastopol, which is natural ... But he stood in a cordon around the Tatar village, when the NKVD soldiers loaded Tartars into trucks to be sent to the railway station. He said a lot, but the result of the story was the phrase: "There was no pity for them (the Crimean Tatars)!"
  • Uve bjørnsson
    Uve bjørnsson 17 October 2020 23: 02 New
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    Everything about the case was done.
    I would say that an unforgivable humanity was shown, and the offspring of the underdogs are now delivering bugs, in the same Ukraine and the Baltic States.
  • Egor53
    Egor53 17 October 2020 23: 03 New
    +3
    The deportation of the people is certainly an atrocity. That's just about the Bandera and Crimean Tatars, in my opinion, Stalin was, if not right, then only that he did not complete the matter.
  • Enky
    Enky 18 October 2020 09: 04 New
    +1
    Something in the article about the record holder of deportations, Poland, was shyly silent, well, yes, it is absolutely not politically correct to mention that in 2 months. before the beginning of WW2, the Poles in the border areas with Germany slaughtered 24-27 thousand. ethnic Germans. And indeed, Poland is not Russia, where to send it, they let it go under the knife, and then they blamed the victims on the same Germans, and even after the war, 12 million Germans were deported into the open field.
  • Alimzhan Juraev
    Alimzhan Juraev 18 October 2020 10: 28 New
    +2
    Crimean Tatars became hostages of the policy of the Jews, who wanted to create their own state on the territory of Crimea!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jy_VoC4MkOk
    Crimea. Roosevelt "- Moment of Truth from 26.12.2016/XNUMX/XNUMX

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pr-OGQawLKU
    Stalin saved Crimea: Crimean Tatars are hostages of Jewish policy

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1sIDXduE7M
    Crimea: Stalin's headache

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h66wwtEIFrs
    Crimean California project. For which they killed Stalin.
  • Alimzhan Juraev
    Alimzhan Juraev 18 October 2020 10: 39 New
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    Crimean Tatars, REHABILITATED!
    Legal rehabilitation (late Lat. Rehabilitatio, restoration) - restoration of rights, restoration of a lost good name, cancellation of unfounded charges against an innocent person or a group of persons due to “lack of corpus delicti”. Rehabilitation differs from amnesty, pardon, decriminalization by the full restoration of rights and reputation due to a false (false) accusation.
    Judicial errors existed among all peoples and at all times, respectively, and rehabilitation has been known since ancient times. Rehabilitation is also carried out in relation to victims of unjustified political and other repressions, mass terror and genocide by the state, which were carried out both in a judicial and non-judicial (administrative) manner. In accordance with the Criminal Procedure Code of the Russian Federation (Article 5), rehabilitation is the procedure for restoring the rights and freedoms of a person who has been unlawfully or unreasonably subjected to criminal prosecution, and for compensation for harm caused to him.

    Decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR dated April 28, 1956 "On the lifting of restrictions on special settlement from Crimean Tatars, Balkars, Turks - citizens of the USSR, Kurds, Hemshils and members of their families, evicted during the Great Patriotic War"

    Decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR of September 5, 1967 "On citizens of Tatar nationality who previously lived in Crimea"

    Law of the RSFSR of April 26, 1991 N 1107-I "On the rehabilitation of repressed peoples"

    Law of the Russian Federation of 18.10.1991 N 1761-1 (as amended on 07.03.2018) "On the rehabilitation of victims of political repression"

    ORDER OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION of April 21, 2014, No. 268 "ON MEASURES FOR REHABILITATION OF THE ARMENIAN, BULGARIAN, GREEK, CRIMEAN-TATAR AND GERMAN PEOPLES AND STATE SUPPORT"

    77-FZ April 17, 2017 ON AMENDMENTS TO ARTICLES 8 AND 9 OF THE FEDERAL LAW "ON THE LEGAL STATUS OF FOREIGN CITIZENS IN THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION". -about providing representatives of the repressed peoples of Crimea with a residence permit in a simplified manner.

    Decree of the President of the Russian Federation of April 29.04, 2019 No. 187 "On certain categories of citizens and stateless persons who have the right to apply for admission to the citizenship of the Russian Federation in a simplified manner." Subparagraph "d" of paragraph 1 of the said Decree - on providing representatives of repressed peoples Crimea-RF citizenship
  • Alimzhan Juraev
    Alimzhan Juraev 18 October 2020 10: 56 New
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    The author claims that; "The number of Tatar military formations subordinate to the Germans was about 19 thousand people, including 4 thousand armed self-defense units. They took an active part in punitive operations against partisans and civilians."

    This is the author's statement, LIE!
    From the Crimean Tatars, the Crimean Tatar (Turkic) guard corps was formed - 10 battalions.
    The staff of the 1st battalion is 400 people.
    400 people х10 battalions = 4 people.


    I wonder why the Cossacks were not deported, the number of these scum who served in the SS units was 80 sabers!
    :
    HOUSES SS MILITARY OF THE MAIN OPERATIONAL MANAGEMENT OF THE SS FHA-SS
    15 Cossack Russian Corps of the SS FHA-SS- 3 Division, 16 Regiments.

    LEGIONS OF THE MAIN DEPARTMENT OF THE SS FA-SS
    FA-SS Cossack reserve - 1 brigade, 3 regiments, 10 battalions.

    COSSACK SECURITY CORPS OF LOCAL ARMED FORMATIONS OF THE CHIEF DEPARTMENT OF THE COSSACK FORCES OF THE MAIN DEPARTMENT OF THE SS FA-SS
    The FA-SS Cossack Guard Corps in Italy - 2 divisions, 4 brigades, 9 regiments, 30 battalions.

    DIVISIONS OF THE SS OF THE MAIN OPERATIONAL DEPARTMENT OF THE SS FHA-SS (VOYSKA-SS)
    1st Cavalry Cossack FHA-SS - 2 brigades, 8 regiments.
    1st Don Cavalry Cossack 15th SS Corps FHA-SS - 5 regiments.
    3rd Plastun Cossack 15th SS Corps FHA-SS - 4 regiments.

    COSSACK SECURITY DIVISIONS OF THE COSSACK SECURITY CORPS OF THE MAIN DEPARTMENT OF THE SS (FA-SS)
    1st Cossack foot Don FA-SS - 2 brigades, 4 regiments.
    2nd Cossack foot Caucasian FA-SS - 2 brigades, 3 regiments.


    https://zen.yandex.ru/media/shit/na-kubani-nas-vstretili-horosho-vostochnyi-front-glazami-soldata-vermahta-5cebae09276b9000b35fcb1c
    "We were greeted well in the Kuban!" Eastern Front through the eyes of a Wehrmacht soldier
    Letter from Alfred Marx to his wife and children dated 22.8.1942/XNUMX/XNUMX:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qteifoIB5Ec
    Konstantin Semin. Biochemistry of betrayal.

    https://zen.yandex.ru/media/codaru/ten-atamana-5c235f03b5e90c00aa78a53c-Тень атамана

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBMb0v4BcL0
    HOW THE TERSKY KUBANIAN DON COSSACKS SERVED HITLER

    https://zen.yandex.ru/media/id/5c51c8333d2c3900ae95952b/kazachi-atamany-v-elitnyh-chastiah-vermahta-kto-i-zachem-shel-voevat-protiv-svoei-rodiny-5c8a5cb35a3e2600b26f924a
    Cossack chieftains in the elite units of the Wehrmacht. Who and why went to fight against their homeland?


    https://russian7.ru/post/taktika-vyzhzhennoy-zemli-kak-voeval/
    "Scorched earth tactics": how Hitler's 1st Cossack division fought

    https://novayagazeta.ru/articles/2020/05/22/85494-tovarisch-pohodnyy-ataman-kazachiego-korpusa-ss?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fzen.yandex.com&utm_campaign=dbr
    Comrade Campaign Ataman of the SS Cossack Corps
  • Alimzhan Juraev
    Alimzhan Juraev 18 October 2020 11: 03 New
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    In the memoirs of I.A. Serov, one of the leaders of the NKVD-Ministry of Internal Affairs of the USSR. not a word is said about the mass betrayal of the Crimean Tatars!

    Author's Statements: "The number of Tatar military formations subordinate to the Germans was about 19 thousand people, including 4 thousand armed self-defense units. They took an active part in punitive operations against partisans and civilians" ARE AN OUTLOOK LIE!


    https://zen.yandex.ru/media/id/5a5141281410c318a507fee5/na-etom-zakonchilas-tragicheskaia-epopeia-krymskogo-fronta-na-kotorom-po-zaiavleniiu-mehlisa-bylo-120-tysiach-boicov-5f25afc0b7e6e441b84be9a3
    This was the end of the tragic epic of the Crimean Front, where, according to Mehlis, there were 120 thousand soldiers. August 1, 2020


    From the memoirs of I.A. Serov, one of the leaders of the NKVD-Ministry of Internal Affairs of the USSR.





    In March 42, the German offensive took place in the Crimea. On Stalin's instructions, he went to study the situation on the spot. Also see the preparation of the Kuban for defense. And then I flew to the Crimea.
    The front was commanded by a completely weak-willed Kozlov, he fully carried out all the instructions of the impudent Mehlis. Yes, it was hard for Kozlov to disobey him, Mekhlis held quite high posts, and not only one. Mekhlis gave orders, Kozlov saluted everything, practically did not command himself.
    He arrived in Krasnodar in April 42nd. You have to get to the front headquarters in Kerch by car. First to Tyumryuk, then by boat across the strait. The headquarters was located at a depth of 40 m in an old salt mine. Everything went well. With a little adventure on the road.
    I got there and talked to Mehlis. Convinced that this fool imagines himself a commander. He promised that we would meet often. He conditioned his trip to the presence of four border regiments at the front.
    Mekhlis did not fail to show his honesty, which is supposed to be the Minister of State Control. A girl came in and said, "Breakfast is ready." Mekhlis could not resist asking: "What's for breakfast?" - "Fried chicken" - "Is this all supposed to be?" The girl was immediately embarrassed and fell silent. Mekhlis then said: "If everyone is not supposed to, I will not eat!" Here is all Mehlis for you.
    In the morning I watched from a height as the Germans boldly bombed Kerch. The situation at the front was changing rapidly, the Romanian division broke through the front of the 21st (Georgian) division. The division ran, the whole front rolled ... I saw how disorganized everyone was retreating.
    In the evening I watched the picture, Mehlis at the command post smashed the commander of the army, called him a traitor and traitor. He could not object anything. The front rolled completely. A day ago, Mehlis spoke of an offensive. He remembered the "Katyushas" that only he had been given, they are nowhere to be found. Comrade Stalin allocated Mehlis ...
    In the evening I watched Mehlis with Kozlov. Ask him about the offensive? He immediately turned out, anything can happen in war. He said that the withdrawal was stopped, the units were holding the defense along the Turkish shaft. They informed Comrade Stalin about this that everything would be fine.
    He drove to the Turkish shaft himself, saw separate groups of soldiers advancing to Kerch. All Georgians, all go to the formation. I have already heard this phrase near Moscow. He began to ask questions and found out. For the second day they did not see their commanders, they do not know anything. They come from the Turkish Wall, and there are Germans. I didn’t know who to believe, Mehlis or Georgians. I interviewed two such groups, the stop was completely different, I decided to convey everything to the Supreme. With my own eyes I saw the Germans on the Turkish Wall ...
    Mekhlis wrote reports, but the Germans had the shaft. The scoundrels lied. He returned to Kerch and described everything, all the lies of the commanders. I left for Temryuk, I should have sent everything over HF. He appeared in Kerch and saw the upset Mehlis, the owner had already called. Cursed and hung up ...
    Everything began to develop instantly. In the morning the Germans appeared at the city, a battle began on the outskirts. Budyonny called from Temryuk and asked: "Who is the commander-in-chief here?" - "You!" - "What right do you have to write to Stalin!" - "When they lie to him and deceive him, he was obliged to report to the headquarters!" - "You have no right! shoot! "-" For lies it is necessary to shoot! ". So we talked, I heard a lot of mat. And the commander-in-chief himself sits 100 km from Kerch.
    Then a call from Moscow, talked to Beria. Budyonny also complained to him. He told everything. Budyonny finished his command ingloriously. He let the Germans go too far and ran to Sukhumi.
    The tragedy continued. The headquarters fled to the mainland, only individual commanders remained, in fact, fled. Complete demoralization of the army, there were no senior commanders. The more generals. All because of the incompetent command of the Trinity - Budyonny, Mehlis, Kozlov. They began to save their own skin, they did not organize a retreat.
    The border guards retreated in an organized manner and held back the enemy. If the army team had withdrawn like that, the Germans would not have been able to squeeze us out of the Crimea. There is a terrible picture at the crossing. All secret Katyushas were left to the Germans. What Mehlis boasted about. Two boats sailed across the strait, took the fighters. The loading proceeded with a fight. People tried to swim across the strait, but died.
    German planes hung over the strait and chased boats. There were no fighters. The Germans destroyed defenseless soldiers. These days I saw enough of the killed and wounded, fell under the bombing, my heart was bleeding. If at that moment I saw Mekhlis, I would give the soldiers to be torn apart.
    Tragic scenes before my eyes. I got out on a boat to the Chushka spit. I went to look for the front headquarters. I saw a soldier with a rifle walking up and down. I entered the dugout, saw Kozlov, Mekhlis and Belyanov at the table, a table with snacks and vodka. He restrained himself and did not start talking to the drunks, went out. This was the end of the epic of the front, where, according to Mehlis, there were 120 soldiers. An order came to deliver Mehlis and Kozlov to Moscow.
  • Alimzhan Juraev
    Alimzhan Juraev 18 October 2020 13: 42 New
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    For some reason, the repressive machine of the NKVD did not touch the scum, the so-called Lokotsky self-government,
    600 inhabitants of which, faithfully served the invaders!
    Guderian allowed them to execute their soldiers.
    These scum, created the First RUSSIAN DIVISION SS.!

    After the formation of the Lokotsky self-government - deputy burgomaster KP Voskoboynik, and since January 1942, after the death of KP Voskoboinik in battles with partisans, his deputy B.Kaminsky became the chief burgomaster of the “Lokotsky district of self-government”. On November 25, 1941, the People's Socialist Party of Russia "Viking" was created, after the death of KP Voskoboinik he headed the party.
    Two days before Kaminsky's appointment, the head of the Oryol regional department of the NKVD K.F. Firsanov, in a memo addressed to the head of the 2nd department of the NKVD P.V. Fedotov, asked:

    Don't you think it expedient to hand over Kaminsky to the Germans as a secret NKVD officer? His subscription, issued to the Shadrinsky regional department of the NKVD, is available.

    In the fall of 1942, he formed the first RONA brigade for the defense of the Lokotsky Special District from partisans and detachments formed by the NKVD and making 40 to 60 attacks per month. He enjoyed quite a lot of authority and support from the population. The literature describes cases of desertion of Soviet partisans and their transition to the side of the armed formations of Lokot self-government.

    The RONA units formed by Kaminsky took an active part in punitive actions against partisans and civilians. In particular, the RONA brigade took part in Operation Gypsy Baron, when the German command decided to clear its rear areas of partisans and secure communications on the eve of the Battle of Kursk.


    In total, on the territory of the Bryansk and Vitebsk regions in 1941-1943, the RONA brigade destroyed more than 10 thousand Soviet citizens, burned 203 people alive, completely burned 24 villages and 7300 collective farm yards, destroyed 767 public and cultural institutions. The total loss amounted to more than 900 million rubles
    In April 1943, agent "Vyun" (Antonina Kaminskaya) was thrown from besieged Leningrad to Lokot in order to convince her brother to go over to the side of the Soviet regime.
    For the transition, he was promised the rank of Major General and Hero of the Soviet Union, and all servicemen were promised complete safety and the preservation of military ranks. In case of refusal, agent "Vyun" was obliged to kill her brother. After meeting with his sister, Bronislav published an article in the newspaper "Voice of the People" exposing an attempt at bribery.
    In view of the large-scale offensive of the Red Army in the summer of 1943, the armed formations of the Lokotsky District under the command of Bronislav Kaminsky, members of the families of military personnel, everyone who did not want to stay on Soviet territory (about 30 thousand people, of which about 6 thousand were military personnel) in August 1943 left together with the German army in the town of Lepel, Vitebsk region, where they soon took part in a number of punitive anti-partisan operations: Regenschauer, Frühlingsfest (7 partisans were announced) and Kormoran (011 ) as part of the SS Gottberg combat group (German SS-Kampfgruppe von Gottberg). In March 7, the unit was renamed the "People's Brigade Kaminski" (German: Volksheer-Brigade Kaminski), and already in July 697 it joined the ranks of the SS under the name of the SS assault brigade RONA (German: Waffen-Sturmbrigade der SS RONA).

    SS Obergruppenfuehrer Kurt von Gottberg gave an excellent description to Kaminsky at the headquarters of the Reichsfuehrer SS, which resulted in a meeting between Bronislav Kaminsky and Reichsfuehrer SS Heinrich Himmler on July 30, 1944.

    During the meeting, the commander of the RONA brigade was awarded the rank of Waffen Brigadefuehrer and Major General of the SS Forces. Himmler personally awarded Kaminsky the Iron Cross of the First Degree (Bronislav Kaminsky received this award earlier from the army leadership, Himmler only legalized the award)

    Unlike the Crimean Tatars, these scum, no one deported anywhere, taking away houses, land and all property. No one who did not forbid them to teach their choices in their native language.
    B. Kaminsky's grandson, became an officer submariner. Was admitted to Soviet secret developments. Carried out the first launch, missiles with a nuclear warhead, from a submerged position


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCJWi6OyCrI&t=1398s
    Lokotskaya Rus. "Grandfathers fought" • Revolver ITV

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyBuITAF49E
    The theory of delusions. Lokot alternative

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JV4sCsZNrOg&t=85s
    Forbidden topic: Lokot Republic. Writer Sergei Verevkin

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScwZkp5pHcMЖ э
    July 24, 2013 part 2 Lokot Republic Russian Indians and invaders save us from

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpAlfWJAh8s
    Lokot Republic

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwmtZv61pyQ
    The phenomenon of the Lokot Republic
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZc8K-2XQdA
    Volunteer Lokotskaya Rus

    http://ourflorida.net/podrobno2.php?id=97
    Two fascist autonomies and Tonka Ginzburg

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfLBjZYN0V8&t=129s
    Russians in the ranks of the SS part 2

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfLBjZYN0V8&t=317s
    Russians in the ranks of the SS part 2

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqZNlp06o_g&t=46s
    Russian SS division

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfVKM4QYEuE&t=245s

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4vaPXwmynU&t=85s
    Russian People's Liberation Army. "RONA" (Russian division SS)

    https://www.rubaltic.ru/context/20052019-iuda-pokhuzhe-vlasova-bronislav-kaminskiy/?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fzen.yandex.com
    Judas is worse than Vlasov: Bronislav Kaminsky
    20 May

    https://zen.yandex.ru/media/god_v_istorii/on-byl-glavnym-konkurentom-vlasova-a-stal-sviatym-jiznennyi-put-generala-kaminskogo-5deb593a028d6800b1d7e86f
    He was Vlasov's main competitor, but became a saint: the life of General Kaminsky
  • Alimzhan Juraev
    Alimzhan Juraev 18 October 2020 15: 10 New
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    The author, covering the deportation from Western Ukraine, do you intentionally keep silent about the role of Western Ukrainians in crimes against humanity.
    They killed more than 100 Jews and 000 Poles!
    They killed people by the most cruel methods of small children, throwing them on top, they caught them with bayonets, as if they were stringing meat on a skewer; pregnant women were ripped open their bellies; people were sawed with a two-handed saw like firewood; people were burned alive.
    Residents of the Belarusian village of Khatyn were burned alive.
    Babi Yar; Volyn massacre; all this, the work of WESTERN UKRAINIANS!

    All Western Ukraine served the Nazis!




    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CFlzT3E-Sw
    Kiev, Ukraine. The Nazis solemnly enter, the townspeople happily greet. 1941, newsreel



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxIWAH6XUEQ
    How Western Ukraine met the Nazis


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDtz4od5M6Y
    Ukrainians. Bread and salt. Germans


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPlo0WRZTWY
    SS Division "Galicia". History of Ukrainian shame!


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xd6iQxLlU9A
    World War II collaborators. Episode 2 SS Division Galicia



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4e4fCKnPHTQ
    SS Division "Galicia" in the service of Nazi Germany



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJ13bj7NpqY
    Nazism in embroidered shirts. SS Galicia in Lviv. Newsreel






    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbssFujpbzs
    Parade of heroes-volunteers of the SS division "Galicia", Lviv, July 18, 1943




    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkLIxRtYIt0
    Ukrainian punishers burned the Belarusian Khatyn


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIsr0CNMUpg
    Khatyn. Archival footage of the SSS

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0c0gw1xvvI
    Khatyn - the executioner's case has been declassified

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Af5t-Ohu2s8
    Shameful secret of Khatyn. Death to Bendera All !!! Who burned Belarusian villages?


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5MFNZn07e8
    Bandera atrocities


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xd6iQxLlU9A&t=90s
    World War II collaborators. Episode 2 SS Division Galicia


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8oN4EAE_LE
    VOLYNSKAYA CUTTING! Oblivion in Ukraine and Poland. Sadism and the crime of the OUN UPA.



    https://zen.yandex.ru/media/rodinamoy/istorii-ot-olesia-buziny-veterany-upa-pilili-plennyh-kak-brevna-5cea75c43c7fa900b3397712
    UPA veterans sawed off prisoners like logs


    However, for some reason they were not called a traitor by the people, they were not deported anywhere, taking away all their property.
    They, no one has forbidden, to teach their choices .... in, in their own mov!
    The young liaison officer of the Bandera members, even became the President of a non-stale, independent Ukraine, did not die!
  • Charlie
    Charlie 18 October 2020 18: 23 New
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    We, in Kazakhstan, had a lot of Germans who were taken out, I don't know where. Whole villages and villages with the Germans are here in the Kustanai region. Students went to agricultural work. They lived in a barrack on the periphery, and the canteen where they fed was in the center. It took about 15-20 minutes to walk. You walk along the street where Russians live, all the huts are crooked, the fences are piled high, the grass is knee-deep from under these fences. Parallel to it was the street where the Germans live. Everything is neat there. The houses are decent, the fences are even, the paths are asphalted and backfilled. Everything is parallel and perpendicular. What is it? They have been living in Russia for centuries, well, in this case, in Kazakhstan, they have already forgotten their language, but still, the desire for accuracy is in their blood. I always walked along the street where the Germans lived, even though it was a little further down to the canteen
  • datura23
    datura23 19 October 2020 06: 16 New
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    taken away from the war foreigners, leaving their own in the occupation - that's what is disgusting. And now the unfortunate "deported" to Stalin are sharpening their fangs for their salvation!
    1. Georgy shelike
      Georgy shelike 23 October 2020 11: 10 New
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      Do not lie.
      Almost all "foreigners", except for the Germans, were taken away after their liberation from the occupation, or when the threat of occupation had passed.
  • Old Bolshevik
    Old Bolshevik 22 October 2020 11: 22 New
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    The Stalinist nationality policy was extremely wise, fair and reasonable. After the betrayal and collapse of the USSR, the Russians themselves realized this in Chechnya and Crimea.
  • Alexander Suvorov_2
    Alexander Suvorov_2 22 October 2020 17: 18 New
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    But he could have ... shot! ...
    I regretted it .. and now the counter has bred apparently-invisibly .. (
  • Georgy shelike
    Georgy shelike 23 October 2020 11: 01 New
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    The text contains a number of factual errors.
    1) not 12 peoples were deported, but several dozen, the number 12 refers to the deported totally, although it is also not entirely accurate. Over 15 peoples were totally deported - Koreans, Germans, Kalmyks, Balkars, Karachais, Chechens, Ingush, Ingermanlandians, Finns, Hemshils, Meskhetian Turks, Crimean Tatars, Crimean Bulgarians, Crimean Armenians, Crimean Greeks (I missed someone)
    2) Deportations on ethnic grounds began even before the start of the war. The first were the Koreans - in 1937.
    3) I have no doubt that many Germans volunteered for the front, only all German servicemen were removed from the army and sent behind barbed wire to the labor army, the conditions in which were quite comparable to those of the Gulag and Buchenwald, and in places and times were even worse.
    4) Comparing the Soviet deportations with the American internment of the Japanese is crafty and incorrect.
    and. In the United States, 135 thousand people were interned, including 120 thousand Japanese, the rest were Italians, Germans and Aleuts. Several dozen peoples were deported to the USSR, including approx. 15 totally, only about 2,5 million people, i.e. 20 times more than in the USA.
    b.After the end of the war, all Japanese internees, etc., were able to settle throughout the United States, including returning to their places of pre-war residence. The peoples deported to the USSR were announced that their exile was eternal. Only after Stalin's death did they begin first to be removed from the special account, then permission for some peoples to return home (except for the Germans and Meskhetians), then rehabilitation in the late 80s.
    at. In the United States, parts of the Japanese gave the opportunity to fight, several purely Japanese units were formed, which fought very valiantly in Europe. In the USSR, all soldiers and officers of the deported nationalities were demobilized from the army, put on a special account and sent to the places of deportation or to the labor army (except for the Heroes of the Soviet Union).
    d. During the internment, the total mortality rate among 120 thousand Japanese American was less than 2 thousand people, i.e. about 1,5%. At the same time, the number of deported peoples in the USSR in the first 4 years after the deportation fell by an average of 20% - mainly due to children and the elderly, as well as from overwork, hunger and cold among those mobilized into the labor army.
    e. Crimean Gypsies and Karaites were also quickly deported to Crimea. After a while, their deportation was declared an excesses of the performers, it was stopped, and everyone who was deportated was removed from the special account, while they were forbidden to return to Crimea. True, by the time of rehabilitation, they managed to evict almost all the Roma and Karaites. Thus, considering that the Crimean Jews evacuated during the war were forbidden to settle in Crimea, and the invaders killed those who did not have time to evacuate, a total ethnic cleansing was carried out in Crimea - only Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians remained, as well as trace amounts of some other nationalities, numbering up to 1,5 thousand people each.
  • EvilLion
    EvilLion 23 October 2020 11: 02 New
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    21 people were sent to Katyn, the rest to camps on the territory of the USSR.


    What, everything is straight? Author, for you I inform you that Katyn is a village with an NKVD sanatorium, in general, neither the statement that someone was shot there (there are no bear corners in the Union for this), nor that 20k people could have been brought there. do not stand up to the test of the brain. The largest camps in the entire GULAG system were 80 thousand, these are those in which the prisoners built very large objects. That is, it is actually a small temporary city.

    Bandera's supporters should have been fired at once, but in general, what does the author suggest? Cry for the Polish siege, that is, people specially sent to oppress and pollinate the local population? Or by the Moldovan kulaks with the landlords? The numbers, by the way, just show that they took it very selectively, and, most likely, exactly those who were needed, then saving the Red Army and local residents from many problems.

    The decree on the eviction stated, without evidence, that among the German population living in the Volga region, there were saboteurs and spies who, upon a signal from Germany, were to carry out explosions and other acts of sabotage.


    Apparently, it was necessary to wait for explosions and sabotage, then there would definitely be evidence.

    At the same time, the overwhelming majority of Chechens and Ingush called up to the front fought heroically,


    And the author, I apologize to ask, how does he think? From those who got to the front, or from those who were called up? Because 99% of the drafted Chechens simply deserted. There are questions with regard to the Ingush, Igor Pykhalov, who wrote the obligatory book "Why did Stalin evict the peoples", having rummaged in the available archival data, believes that in relation to the Ingush it was possible to limit ourselves only to the elimination of specific gangs.

    Well, the Crimean Tatars and Chechens should be very grateful to Stalin, if not for the eviction, the locals would have simply killed them at the end of the Second World War or after it.

    The Greeks and Bulgarians did not participate in the terror against the local population, but they helped the Germans economically.
  • Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 25 October 2020 14: 29 New
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    And where "through the eyes of the executive general"? To be honest, I got sick of irresponsible chatter and lies.