The vessel "Akademik Chersky" began preparations for work on the "Nord Stream - 2"

The pipe-laying vessel Akademik Chersky, together with several special vessels, began preparations for work on the Nord Stream 2. The vessels conducted training on the Baltic Sea shelf in the Curonian Spit area. This is evidenced by MarineTraffic data, and also reported in the maritime industry of the Kaliningrad region.

According to the sea portal, the vessel "Akademik Cherskiy" left the German port of Mukran on October 1 this year and arrived in the Kaliningrad region on October 8, where it is located 60-80 km from the coast on the beam of the Curonian Spit in the "limited maneuverability" mode. The pipelayer was joined by three special vessels, which together with him carried out the alignment before starting work.

For several days, the Akademik Chersky, as well as the special ships Umka, Baltic Researcher and Finval, were about 60-80 km off the coast of the Kaliningrad Region, on the beam of the Curonian Spit. All these days, the crews of the ships carried out the so-called coordination and training on joint maneuvering, conducting work on laying the underwater pipeline

- Interfax reports, citing a source in the maritime industry.

As the source added, the coordination was necessary since the crews of some vessels have already participated in the laying of the gas pipeline, and some will have to do this for the first time. At the same time, the depth and characteristics of the seabed in this area in all respects correspond to the section where the laying of the remaining part of the pipeline will continue.

An auxiliary vessel "Ivan Sidorenko", which is planned to be used to supply pipes during the completion of the "Nord Stream-2", may join the tests. Currently, the auxiliary vessels Ostap Sheremet and Ivan Sidorenko are in the port of Svetly.

When the work starts, it is not reported, Gazprom does not comment on the appeared news, Nord Stream 2 AG also declined to comment on the start of work.

According to experts, with the domestic vessels at Gazprom's disposal, it will take three to five months of clean work to complete the laying of Nord Stream 2.

Comments

[Livonetc]

The pipe-laying vessel Akademik Chersky, together with several special vessels, began preparations for work on the Nord Stream 2.
Great.
Well, we are waiting for another dirty trick from the United States.
Without them, boring.

[Pereira]

There was information that in the place where construction was interrupted, several NATO ships were drifting and were not letting anyone in. That is why Chersky went to Kaliningrad to hire guards.
They lie, dogs?

[Vol4ara]

Quote: Pereira

There was information that in the place where construction was interrupted, several NATO ships were drifting and were not letting anyone in. That is why Chersky went to Kaliningrad to hire guards.
They lie, dogs?

How is it not allowed? grabbing by the hand? or shoot? or someone sunk already? ram? boarding? steal diesel fuel?

[Pereira]

I don't know the details and I'm not sure of the veracity. It seems like a stupid place was taken.
But why did Chersky leave for Kaliningrad?

[ZEMCH]

Quote: Pereira

But why did Chersky leave for Kaliningrad?

All this time, Chersky was undergoing modernization

[Pereira]

During the time that he hangs out in the Baltic, a new one can be built.

[ZEMCH]

Before that, he laid pipes of a different diameter, a lot of equipment was changed there, plus drug training

[Pereira]

A week ago I read:
Leaving the German port of Mukran, the Russian pipelayer Akademik Chersky, with a high degree of probability, goes to the Danish island of Bornholm to begin the completion of the construction of an underwater gas pipeline from Russia to Germany.

He, by and large, has no reason to go to Kaliningrad, although Kaliningrad is declared as the final point of the route.

Whom to believe in this informational chatter?
I personally have nothing against you. But still...

[ZEMCH]

As Professor Preobrazhensky said: "Don't read Soviet newspapers." Not a single publication will tell the truth, since do not have complete information, and now the information does not leave there, so as not to provoke partners, even equipment suppliers are not published

[Brturin]

Quote: Pereira

He, by and large, has no reason to go to Kaliningrad, although Kaliningrad is declared as the final point of the route.

Answer above

At the same time, the depth and characteristics of the seabed in this area in all respects correspond to the section where the laying of the remaining part of the pipeline will continue.

Alternatively, they train in the installation of anchors
The operation of electronic systems and, above all, the installed anchors for positioning the ship during its operation is checked. In total, eight anchors were installed on board the Akademik Chersky. They each have an independent power generator used to power the winches. The pipelayer will be accompanied by anchor breeders, whose job is to move and correctly tighten the anchor chains ... previously, the pipelayer Audacia of the Swiss company Allseas had to go through a similar re-equipment .. the German regulator prohibited the use of a dynamic positioning system in waters less than 20 meters deep (about 75 kilometers of the route). “The Audacia has been modified into an anchored barge for the German shallow waters,” reads the section on features faced by Allseas.
https://eadaily.com/ru/news/2020/10/09/iz-za-fortuny-truboukladchik-akademik-cherskiy-prishlos-peredelyvat
Judging by their location, since yesterday the "Morspasluzhba" courts have taken the pipelayer for "stretching". They have taken on board anchors on both sides of the Akademik Chersky, are laying them, and now the stability of the vessel is being checked during pipe-laying.
More details: https://eadaily.com/ru/news/2020/10/13/truboukladchik-severnogo-potoka-2-postavili-na-rastyazhku

Quote: Pereira

Whom to believe in this informational chatter?

at the beginning of the year it was said - "I hope that by the end of this year, or in the first quarter of next year, the work will be completed and the gas pipeline will start working" ... chatter and chatter, and so let's wait for clarity ...

[g1v2]

To convert. Plus, they are waiting for the start of the choice in the states. Trump announced. that he was strong and blocked SP2, and if ours finish building the stream before the elections, his opponents will laugh. What if they won't be chosen yet? We have nowhere to rush. Let's wait for the start of the elections.

[Starover_Z]

Quote: Vol4ara

How is it not allowed? grabbing by the hand? or shoot? or someone sunk already? ram? boarding? steal diesel fuel?

Based on the initial comments, I remembered the described, almost similar situation from the book of Alexander Belyaev "The Miraculous Eye". It was well described there, almost 90 years ago, how you can interfere with the work in the sea at the right point!

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Pereira

There was information that in the place where construction was interrupted, several NATO ships were drifting and were not letting anyone in. That is why Chersky went to Kaliningrad to hire guards.
They lie, dogs?

They lie unambiguously.
Drift is a technical problem, but not a man-made one, and therefore, those who invested in this project will "move" these ships, but they do not intend to lose long-term profits due to short-term problems. For some reason, it is generally accepted that SP-2 is only a Russian "firebrand", and attempts to stop it fall solely on the shoulders of Russia, which is not true, because this project has not a small share of German and British business. I don’t think they are ready to bury the 10 billion already invested without a murmur. Grandma Merkel has already hinted that the shutdown of SP-2 at the initiative of Berlin will cost Germany more than the invested funds.

[MKPU-115]

Quote: Pereira

Information skipped

Like flies, here and there, there are rumors about houses,
And toothless old women carry them around their minds.

[Ded_Mazay]

Quote: Livonetc

Well, we are waiting for another dirty trick from the United States.

Yes, they will not be themselves if they do nothing.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Livonetc

Well, we are waiting for another dirty trick from the United States.

Not from the United States, but from world corporations with which another similar corporation called Gazprom has grappled. Moreover, Gazprom is not a state corporation.
This is a war of corporations, not the interests of the Russian Federation or the United States or the EU. Politicians only use their brains to powder the peoples with fiery speeches. And here is just a banal redistribution of the market and the redistribution of profits of world corporations.

[Svarog]

Quote: NEXUS

And here there is simply a banal redistribution of the market and the redistribution of the profits of world corporations.

So it is, the bourgeoisie divides the markets, and the people in the Russian Federation think that it will be better for them .. It will not.
Since the 70s, the volume of gas supplies has grown 20-25 times, and what has become of a better life?

[NEXUS]

Quote: Svarog

So it is, the bourgeoisie divides the markets, and the people in the Russian Federation think that it will be better for them .. It will not.
Since the 70s, the volume of gas supplies has grown 20-25 times, and what has become of a better life?

I posted in another thread a film about how we were cheated and what Russia is now de facto. Take a look to think about who is really interested. You will find in my comments. I will not post it in this thread.

[Svarog]

Quote: NEXUS

I posted in another thread a film about how we were cheated and what Russia is now de facto.

I'll take a look this evening .. but I probably already saw it.

[Vol4ara]

Quote: Svarog

Quote: NEXUS

And here there is simply a banal redistribution of the market and the redistribution of the profits of world corporations.

So it is, the bourgeoisie divides the markets, and the people in the Russian Federation think that it will be better for them .. It will not.
Since the 70s, the volume of gas supplies has grown 20-25 times, and what has become of a better life?

I don't know how with 70, but with 90s it is definitely better.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Vol4ara

I don't know how with 70, but with 90s it is definitely better.

Look carefully and listen ... and then check the data for yourself.

[Svarog]

Andrey, everything is so, the film raises important and correct questions. I am sure that since the collapse of the USSR we have become a colony and we remain so to this day. There is a lot of confirmation of this, including in the film.

[Vol4ara]

Quote: NEXUS

Quote: Vol4ara

I don't know how with 70, but with 90s it is definitely better.

Look carefully and listen ... and then check the data for yourself.

I am not interested in investigative journalism and propaganda. I used to think with my head

[NEXUS]

Quote: Vol4ara

I am not interested in investigative journalism and propaganda. I used to think with my head

And here is propaganda and investigative journalism, dear. There are dry FACTS that are easy to verify. They do not talk about horses in a vacuum, but only give numbers and dates.
If you have a head, then use its ability to think and compare.

[Sanichsan]

Quote: NEXUS

And here is propaganda and investigative journalism, dear. There are dry FACTS that are easy to verify. They do not talk about horses in a vacuum, but only give numbers and dates.

the video talks about the crimes committed in the 90s, and, well, it must be the same (!!!), it is proposed to commit similar crimes today! awesome! back then the government was bad and it was necessary to destroy the country under this tune, and then, suddenly, the government was bad again and again with the same intentions all this was rubbed in.
go to the lie with your phantom pains and western friends.

[Babermetis]

Quote: NEXUS

Quote: Livonetc

Well, we are waiting for another dirty trick from the United States.

Not from the United States, but from world corporations with which another similar corporation called Gazprom has grappled. Moreover, Gazprom is not a state corporation.
This is a war of corporations, not the interests of the Russian Federation or the United States or the EU. Politicians only use their brains to powder the peoples with fiery speeches. And here is just a banal redistribution of the market and the redistribution of profits of world corporations.

I agree with the ending 100%! But I will not agree that the interests of corporations and states are different things. Private corporations are both private in order to be very, very, private - to sit inside the state and in every possible way influence the vector of interests of a particular national or state entity. The question is to what extent does that entity or State have influence on corporative associations and how strongly corporations interfere with national interests.

[Vladimir Mashkov]

Yes, they would rather start laying! We got tired. But it seems that the time of autumn-winter storms is coming ...

[iouris]

Some kind of masochism ...

[Fungus]

God forbid. It's time to finish building.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Fungus

God forbid. It's time to finish building.

What do you personally get from this? This is not an idle question, in fact ... for you, as a citizen of the Russian Federation, WHAT IS THERE, OR NOT?
Mineral resources of the country have not been the property of the people of Russia for a long time. They have taken this right away from us for a long time.
So I ask you a question and to all those who here are very happy about all this-Citizens, and what kind of joy or sadness is it for you from this whole section of the markets, which is dealt with by world PRIVATE corporations?

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: NEXUS

Citizens, and what kind of joy or sadness is it for you from this whole section of the markets, which is dealt with by the world PRIVATE

Does Gazprom pay little taxes to the budget? Is it not the budget now funded, including pensions and salaries in the public sector? This is the answer? Or I don’t know something?

[NEXUS]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Does Gazprom pay little taxes to the budget?

And how much does Gazprom put into its pocket at the same time? These pennies, which you so called taxes, are nothing compared to what the PRIVATE CORPORATION GAZPROM is pumping out of our bowels, which once belonged to the people.

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Is it not the budget that is currently funded, including pensions and salaries in the public sector?

Answer me to a trivial question-How ... how can it be that the country is the RICHEST IN THE WORLD in terms of minerals, water, forests, etc., lives in hunger? How could it happen that Japan, without nichrome, surpasses us by a head in terms of living standards? How did life in the country manage to become worse in 30 years than it was in the USSR? If our helmsmen care so much about you with us, how did it happen that you have to pay FOR EVERYTHING NOW? Why has the retirement age been raised? Why is petrol going up in price in a country with the largest oil production in the world?
And finally ... name at least one STATE (really) corporation in the Russian Federation, which is managed by a CITIZEN of Russia.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: NEXUS

Answer me a trivial question - How ... that's how it can be that the country is the RICHEST IN THE WORLD in terms of fossils, water, forests, etc., lives in hunger

No need to juggle here. Who is this half-starving? Who thumps soundly? So such "half-starving" live in any country under any government. Whether in Switzerland or Norway. And I DO NOT SEE hungry people around. Even among really disadvantaged pensioners.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Who is this half-starving?

There is a class that was formed exactly when Gorbachev began Perestroika and it is called the poor, the poor, the beggar. The words are filthy, but they reflect the essence. In the USSR, there were no beggars from the word at all. The fact that you classify yourself as a middle class does not mean that there are no millions of hungry people, poor people, etc. in the country ... or do you not go out and see it yourself?

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Who thumps soundly?

So, do you think that families with many children are kvass as if not in themselves, while living in a one-room apartment?

Quote: Mountain Shooter

And I DO NOT SEE hungry people around.

Well, wipe your eyes finally.

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Even among really disadvantaged pensioners.

Ah ... MEANS EVEN YOUR DISAPPEARED THERE ARE.
And you haven't answered one of my questions!

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: NEXUS

In the USSR, there were no beggars from the word at all

Did not have? Have you ever been to the barracks, real one-story ones? And I have been. A classmate, some kind of textbook, was in the 5th grade ... If it wasn't POVERTY, then what? Beggars did not collect alms, it was forbidden (did they not know?) ... However, I remember communal apartments until 91. And this, sorry, it was all there.

Quote: NEXUS

So, do you think that families with many children are kvass as if not in themselves, while living in a one-room apartment?

Large children who ferment are taken away from those children, and there is nothing for them to ferment. He has many children himself. He raised everyone. Didn't starve. They did not live in odnushka.

Quote: NEXUS

A ... MEANS EVEN FOR YOUR DISAPPEARED SO IS

Of course have! But we're talking about the FASTING ... aren't we?

[NEXUS]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Did not have? Have you ever been to the barracks, real one-story ones? And I have been. A classmate, some kind of textbook, was in the 5th grade ... If it wasn't POVERTY, then what? Beggars did not collect alms, it was forbidden (did they not know?) ... However, I remember communal apartments until 91. And this, sorry, it was all there.

Dear, no need to juggle. In the USSR, even the article was FOR TUNE. That is, the state OBLIGED TO employ a citizen of the country voluntarily and compulsorily. So let's not talk about the beggars in the USSR ... yeah ..

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Large children who ferment are taken away from those children, and there is nothing for them to ferment. He has many children himself. He raised everyone. Didn't starve. They did not live in odnushka.

Again for myself, my beloved ... I tell you that besides you, there are almost 150 million living in the Russian Federation ... of which several tens of millions live below the poverty line. At least take a look at the statistics.

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Of course have! But we're talking about the FASTING ... aren't we?

I repeat .. and the hungry, and below the poverty line, and so on ... you know that in the USSR there was no concept of a living wage or a basket of living wages?
It doesn't reach you that CAPITALISM will never think about the people! Only profit is important. If the profit comes from the fact that they cut you and your loved ones from work, the capitalist will do it. And he will spit on your persuasion, snot and lamentations.
In the USSR, they simply could not help but be fired or evicted from the apartment. Do you feel the difference?

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: NEXUS

several tens of millions of them live below the poverty line

And you do not know where these ... beyond the line? Rosstat works with official figures. And according to these figures, "gray" salaries are NOT taken into account, but only official ones are taken into account. And many well-earning citizens do not work anywhere at all. By the way, parasitizing at the same time on our medicine, and then on the pension fund will be. Have you come across this side of statistics? Let me give you an example. In our country, it seems, almost 30% of the population go to the toilets "on the street ... So, the statistics include only those who are connected to centralized networks. And those who have individual septic tanks are, as it were," on the street "... Owners of cottages, yeah ... By the way, some rural schools have exactly the same septic tanks. According to statistics, they also have toilets" on the street "... As you ask, they will answer.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Rosstat works with official figures.

And here Rostat ... leave these filkin letters naive. You here spoke for taxes ... and whose Central Bank?

[Svarog]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

No need to juggle here. Who is this half-starving? Who thumps soundly? So such "half-starving" live in any country under any government. Whether in Switzerland or Norway. And I DO NOT SEE hungry people around. Even among really disadvantaged pensioners

And you will not see .. they quietly die. You will not argue with the fact that we have problems with demography? The population is shrinking by an entire city a year .. why would it, because everyone lives wonderfully .. who does not drink ..

[NEXUS]

Quote: Svarog

You will not argue with the fact that we have problems with demography?

People have blinders on their eyes ... 30 years have been promised prosperity. 30 years! And over these 30 years, there was only a decline in almost everything in the country, including the standard of living. Gorbachev is Judas, Yeltsin is Judas, but Putin has been sitting in power for 20 years, no matter what. He did not call Thoth our worst enemies enemies in more than one interview, but calls him tenderly, brotherly partners. Ugh.
Hey, people, are you not embarrassed by the fact that we have been living on the backlog of the USSR for 30 years to this day? What have our helmsmen created during these 30 years that is good for the people, ask yourself a question?

[cat Rusich]

Quote: NEXUS

Gorbachev-Judas, Yeltsin-Judas,

In 1991 in the USSR there were about 20 "members" of the CPSU (000 million Kummunists). Almost all the officers of the Ministry of Defense, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the KGB are "members" of the CPSU ... And also the Komsomol members ... When the USSR was torn apart by 000 "Judas" - L. Kravchuk, S. Shushkevich, B. Yeltsin, M. Gorbachev - where were the "members "KPSS? - officers of the army, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the KGB ... In the summer of 20, everyone was eager to go to the front to defend the Motherland ... and in December 4, they just sat at home ...

[NEXUS]

Quote: cat Rusich

and in December 1991 they just sat at home ...

Not everyone stayed at home. Some went to defend the USSR, and someone left the authorities as a sign of not acceptance. But ... there was no civil war. Because the losers are honest forces, they understood that the Civil War would bury the country forever. Fortunately, then there were educated and intelligent people. That is why the same putschists did not raise the people ... although they could.

[cat Rusich]

Quote: NEXUS

Quote: cat Rusich

and in December 1991 they just sat at home ...

Not everyone stayed at home. Some went to defend the USSR, and someone left the authorities as a sign of not acceptance.

Maybe just arrest the "Judas conspirators" ... As an example, the arrest of L. Beria.

[NEXUS]

Quote: cat Rusich

Maybe just arrest the "Judas conspirators" ... As an example, the arrest of L. Beria.

The danger of civil war was very high. Look at the Donbass.

[cat Rusich]

Quote: NEXUS

Quote: cat Rusich

Maybe just arrest the "Judas conspirators" ... As an example, the arrest of L. Beria.

The danger of civil war was very high. Look at the Donbass.

Can I conclude from your words that the inhabitants of the USSR were ready to fight with the State of the USSR, then the signing of the document on the division of the USSR into 15 independent republics was a statement of the fact of the destruction of the USSR in the minds of the inhabitants of the Union republics. And what about the Judas conspirators? - Georgians, Armenians, Azerbaijanis, Kazakhs, Kyrgyz, Uzbeks, Tajiks, Turkmens, Moldovans, Lithuanians, Latvians, Estonians, Belarusians, "Ukrainians" - these are the destroyers of the USSR ... The people of the USSR could take to the streets of cities and overthrow the traitors ... but everyone stayed at home ...

[NEXUS]

Quote: cat Rusich

The people of the USSR could take to the streets of cities and overthrow the traitors ...

They could not get out, because the leaders did not pull them. And the danger of the Civil War was then very high. But if it had begun, the USSR would have drowned in blood and would never have risen.

[cat Rusich]

Quote: NEXUS

Quote: cat Rusich

The people of the USSR could take to the streets of cities and overthrow the traitors ...

They could not get out, because the leaders did not pull them. And the danger of the Civil War was then very high. But if it had begun, the USSR would have drowned in blood and would never have risen.

About this and talk ... In each settlement there was a secretary of the CPSU, there were "members" of the CPSU, all local authorities were tied to the CPSU - ALL "MEMBERS" were silent and sat quietly at home. According to your last words, I draw a conclusion - 1) Option number 1 - if the military and "chekists" would try to keep the unity of the USSR by force - a civil war would begin and the USSR would fall and not rise, 2) Option number 2 - "Belovezhskaya Pushcha" .. What is your option for saving the USSR ...

[NEXUS]

Quote: cat Rusich

About this and talk ... In each settlement there was a secretary of the CPSU, there were "members" of the CPSU, all local authorities were tied to the CPSU - ALL "MEMBERS" were silent and sat quietly at home. According to your last words, I draw a conclusion - 1) Option number 1 - if the military and "chekists" would try to keep the unity of the USSR by force - a civil war would begin and the USSR would fall and not rise, 2) Option number 2 - "Belovezhskaya Pushcha" .. What is your option for saving the USSR ...

Before Belovezhskaya Pushcha, the possible physical elimination of Yeltsin and the company, because the special services probably knew that the Cossack was sent.

[cat Rusich]

Quote: cat Rusich

As an example, the arrest of L. Beria.

What was the KGB doing in 1991? N. Khrushchev was simply "removed from office" in 1964 - the people simply learned about it from the newspapers and calmly accepted the change of the "first secretaries" ... In 1991, B. Yeltsin and other Judas traitors could simply "leave for health reasons." ... stroke for example ...

[22 dmdc]

At the warehouse, they poisoned themselves with sausage and got crazy in a bathhouse in Viskul.

[cat Rusich]

Quote: NEXUS

They could not get out, because the leaders did not pull them.

In 1941, the people did not expect when they were "pulled to the front" ... in 1991 they waited ... what were they waiting for? - that the market will come and everyone will be given "free sausage"?

[NEXUS]

Quote: cat Rusich

In 1941, the people did not expect when they were "pulled to the front" ... in 1991 they waited ... what were they waiting for? - that the market will come and everyone will be given "free sausage"?

Not a lot of different things ... that's why I put a film here about the history of the Russian Federation. Just look without a nerve. There you will find all the answers to your questions.

[NEXUS]

Quote: cat Rusich

what were you waiting for? - that the market will come and everyone will be given "free sausage"?

[NEXUS]

Quote: cat Rusich

Quote: NEXUS

Gorbachev-Judas, Yeltsin-Judas,

In 1991 in the USSR there were about 20 "members" of the CPSU (000 million Kummunists). Almost all the officers of the Ministry of Defense, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the KGB are "members" of the CPSU ... And also the Komsomol members ... When the USSR was torn apart by 000 "Judas" - L. Kravchuk, S. Shushkevich, B. Yeltsin, M. Gorbachev - where were the "members "KPSS? - officers of the army, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the KGB ... In the summer of 20, everyone was eager to go to the front to defend the Motherland ... and in December 4, they just sat at home ...

Here is another film about our history without beauty. Just the facts ... take the trouble to look and perhaps you will look at everything with different eyes.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Svarog

And you will not see .. they quietly die.

Are you personally aware of such cases? If so, can you describe it in a few sentences?

[NEXUS]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

Are you personally aware of such cases? If so, can you describe it in a few sentences?

And you outside the Moscow Ring Road on your own typewriter, which you took on credit, go and see for yourself these poor people in the villages ... yeah ... or what is beyond the Moscow Ring Road not Russia?

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: NEXUS

And you outside the Moscow Ring Road on your own typewriter, which you took on credit, go and see for yourself these poor people in the villages ... yeah ... or what is beyond the Moscow Ring Road not Russia?

How do you know if I have a car at all?
And you, Nexus, can you name examples of your acquaintances whom you know personally, that they live from hand to mouth? What is their profession? Where, by whom and how long did they work?

[Roman070280]

The average pension is 15 thousand .. This includes presidents, ministers, deputies, generals and other riffraffs ..
You can imagine a real average for ordinary people ..
And think with your head - who can NOT live from hand to mouth from this number on such money ..

It is precisely that half of the country is such beggars ...
And the point is not that they are not dying of hunger .. we do not live in the Stone Age near a cave ..
Now a beggar is already the one who cannot buy everything that is necessary for life .. refrigerators / TVs / phones / cars .. Yes, and once a week to drink and smoke is not a crime either .. But somehow the price tags do not match the income ..
And go south by car - car, gasoline, taxes, travel on the road .. not to mention some kind of treatment in a sanatorium .. What is this - a luxury ?? If a person cannot afford it, this is poverty ..

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: NEXUS

And you outside the Moscow Ring Road on your own typewriter, which you took on credit, go and see for yourself these poor people in the villages ... yeah ... or what is beyond the Moscow Ring Road not Russia?

You see. You even have nothing to answer. Because you live a well-fed life, and you grieve about the poor only in the comments, and never once in your life really really helped anyone.

[Tavi]

And what is behind the Moscow Ring Road? almost all cars.
I live outside the Moscow Ring Road.
What do you want to prove to whom? That everything sucks? ... And tell WHERE well, you can see there is something to compare.

[Roman070280]

No need to juggle here. Who is this half-starving? Who thumps soundly?

Hospadya .. as small children ..
The average pension is 15 thousand .. This includes presidents, ministers, deputies, generals and other riffraffs ..
You can imagine a real average for ordinary people ..
And think with your head - who can NOT live from hand to mouth from this number on such money ..

It is precisely that half of the country is such beggars ...
And the point is not that they are not dying of hunger .. we do not live in the Stone Age near a cave ..
Now a beggar is already the one who cannot buy everything that is necessary for life .. refrigerators / TVs / phones / cars .. Yes, and once a week to drink and smoke is not a crime either .. But somehow the price tags do not match the income ..
And go south by car - car, gasoline, taxes, travel on the road .. not to mention some kind of treatment in a sanatorium .. What is this - a luxury ?? If a person cannot afford it, this is poverty ..

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: NEXUS

And finally ... name at least one STATE (really) corporation in the Russian Federation, which is managed by a CITIZEN of Russia.

Well, Rostec, Rosatom ... Enough?

[Aviator_]

Well, Rostec, Rosatom ... Enough?

Rusnano was forgotten.

[Babermetis]

Quote: NEXUS

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Does Gazprom pay little taxes to the budget?

And how much does Gazprom put into its pocket at the same time? These pennies, which you so called taxes, are nothing compared to what the PRIVATE CORPORATION GAZPROM is pumping out of our bowels, which once belonged to the people.

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Is it not the budget that is currently funded, including pensions and salaries in the public sector?

Answer me to a trivial question-How ... how can it be that the country is the RICHEST IN THE WORLD in terms of minerals, water, forests, etc., lives in hunger? How could it happen that Japan, without nichrome, surpasses us by a head in terms of living standards? How did life in the country manage to become worse in 30 years than it was in the USSR? If our helmsmen care so much about you with us, how did it happen that you have to pay FOR EVERYTHING NOW? Why has the retirement age been raised? Why is petrol going up in price in a country with the largest oil production in the world?
And finally ... name at least one STATE (really) corporation in the Russian Federation, which is managed by a CITIZEN of Russia.

Citizens unite and buy up shares and debentures of state corporations! Assign people to management.

[Kerensky]

Does Gazprom pay little taxes to the budget? Is it not the budget that is currently funded, including pensions and salaries in the public sector?

And if it were state-owned, it would throw profit into the budget. That more?

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Kerensky

And if it were state-owned, it would throw profit into the budget. That more

It is generally 50% + 1 share of the state. So, half of the profits also go to the budget ... And now they also planted 15% on the export of dividends abroad.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

It is generally 50% + 1 share of the state.

Seriously? And who told you that? Have you seen the forged papers?
Dear, answer me one more question, why is the Central Bank private and not public? And who is the owner of the Central Bank?

[mark2]

Dear, answer me one more question - why is the Central Bank private and not public? And who is the owner of the Central Bank

I'll get into an argument. Have you seen the opposite documents?

[NEXUS]

Quote: mark2

I'll get into an argument. Have you seen the opposite documents?

We read carefully ..

The key element of the legal status of the Bank of Russia is the principle of independence, which is manifested primarily in the fact that the Bank of Russia acts as a special public-law institution with the exclusive right to issue money and organize money circulation. It is not an organ of state power, at the same time, its powers by their legal nature relate to the functions of state power, since their implementation involves the use of measures of state coercion. The functions and powers stipulated by the Constitution of the Russian Federation and the Federal Law “On the Central Bank of the Russian Federation (Bank of Russia)” are exercised by the Bank of Russia independently of the federal government bodies, government bodies of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation and local government bodies. The independence of the status of the Bank of Russia is reflected in Article 75 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, as well as in Articles 1 and 2 of the Federal Law “On the Central Bank of the Russian Federation (Bank of Russia)

Highlighted is how to understand? The Central Bank is not a state structure, but it alone has the right to set the rate, dictate the will to other banks, and at the same time print state banknotes. Moreover, this is spelled out in the MAIN LEGISLATION OF THE COUNTRY!
Enlighten me dark, how this can be in a civilized sovereign state.

[mark2]

Enlighten me dark, how can this be in a civilized SOVEREIGN STATE

Easy. It could be the US Federal Reserve System - an analogue of our central bank has all the same functions and is not a state one. Moreover, it is a private structure. Both here and there the heads of these systems are appointed by the President. Likewise the Bundesbank in Germany. By the way, the Bundesbank is legally obliged to support only the general economic policy of the government. The Central Bank of the Russian Federation is the same.
The central banks of Great Britain, France and Japan are subordinate to the executive branch. However, over the past few years, these countries have taken a number of steps to ensure the autonomy of central bank monetary policy decisions while strengthening public scrutiny of central bank operations. Under the new law, the Japanese finance minister is deprived of the opportunity to issue orders regarding the activities of this bank, and the governor of the Bank of Japan cannot be removed from his post, unless only due to illness.
And about France "In order to ensure the full independence of the Council of the Banque de France in the implementation of monetary policy objectives, council members are prohibited from seeking or accepting instructions from the government or any other person."

You asked, I answered

[NEXUS]

Quote: mark2

It could be the US Federal Reserve System - an analogue of our central bank has all the same functions and is not a state one.

So you didn't read it carefully ... once again, excuse me ... attentively to every word ...

It is not a public authority, at the same time, its powers by their legal nature relate to the functions of state power

How can you NOT BE THE BODY OF THE STATE POWER, BUT AT THIS TO RELATE TO THE FUNCTIONS OF THE STATE POWER?

, since their implementation involves the use of measures of state coercion.

That is, the private trader is endowed with levers and instruments of the state structure, including power levers!

The functions and powers stipulated by the Constitution of the Russian Federation and the Federal Law "On the Central Bank of the Russian Federation (Bank of Russia)" are exercised by the Bank of Russia independently of the federal government bodies, government bodies of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation and local government bodies. The independence of the status of the Bank of Russia is reflected in Article 75 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, as well as in Articles 1 and 2 of the Federal Law “On the Central Bank of the Russian Federation (Bank of Russia)

From whom is independence?

[NEXUS]

Quote: mark2

I'll get into an argument. Have you seen the opposite documents?

Alexander, the minus was not mine. I don’t give any minuses at all. Therefore, I equalized you to zero.
Now ... I'll tell you a little story.
Imagine that you live in a very good comfortable four-room apartment. You live and do not grieve. And then one day, strange citizens come to you, let's call them Misha and Borya, who tell you, listen, and let's stay here with you, and believe us, this will make you live even better.
You agree ... and now you live together. But then citizen Vasya comes in, and says, I lived here before you, 20 years ago, so give me part of the apartment. And Borya and Misha tell you, of course, give it back, it was essentially it. And you give it back.
And at this time Borya and Misha take out the furniture, your refrigerator and sell it ... and they give you with it for a bun and for mineral water only. And at the same time they say, it's good for you! You see how we care about you! And it doesn't matter that the furniture, refrigerator, apartment was yours.
And then you begin to suspect that your friends Borya and Misha are deceiving you and start to be indignant. And then Borya comes with Vladimir, and Vladimir brings Vasya (Rosgvardia) and they say, if you’re going to get out of there, you’ll shit.
At the same time, they also say that you will guard all this stuff and the apartment, but at the same time, eat when they say, walk when they say, go to the toilet with their permission. But so that you are not very indignant, sometimes they give you a cookie and say that you are a good man. This is how you live, but in the end, the apartment is not yours, the furniture is not yours, and you already work as a guardian of all this wealth.
Here, in a nutshell, what happened to the Russian people.

[mark2]

A very colorful picture.

This is how you live

Do you live differently? Or is it different for you in Cuba?)
35 years ago, when everyone here was the same number of years younger, they wanted it themselves. perestroika, acceleration, glasnost, remember? Remember. What happened next do we remember? Remember. Did you take part in this? accepted. Do not resist - consider agreement. And now it is as it is. It remains to be offended at myself. And as for Misha, Bori, Vasya, Vova, Elvira ... They act within the framework within which they are allowed by laws and citizens. Resistance is minimal - and this will continue.

[NEXUS]

Quote: mark2

Do you live differently?

I am also a citizen of the Russian Federation and have long been not even 40 years old.

Quote: mark2

What happened next do we remember?

Quiet quiet ... no need to scatter like that .... The REFERENDUM showed that the people for the USSR in the amount of 77% of the voters. So, let's not talk about "they themselves wanted and chose". And in Belovezhskaya Pushcha, not the people signed these papers.

Quote: mark2

Did you take part in this? accepted.

I didn’t accept it, but I’ll say that I wouldn’t vote for Yeltsin even if I was drunk.

Quote: mark2

It remains to be offended at myself.

This is where you are wrong. Firstly, many sincerely still believe that Bori, Misha and Vova give us goodness and prosperity. And secondly ... until the citizens of the country understand that the helmsmen are our elementary enemies and grabbers, we will continue to live, guarding THEIR wealth in once YOUR apartment.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: NEXUS

Dear, answer me one more question, why is the Central Bank private and not public? And who is the owner of the Central Bank?

In accordance with the Federal Law of the Russian Federation "On the Central Bank of the Russian Federation (Bank of Russia)", the Bank of Russia is a legal entity. The authorized capital and other property of the Bank of Russia are federal property
Enough? True, you can take a position - I don't trust anyone ... Well, here everyone is his own director.

[Tavi]

well, explain to us stupid .... in SP-2, those who row money from Gazprom (it does not belong to the Russian Federation) are shoving sticks in the wheels

[Tavi]

The state receives dividends from shares of 50%, and the rest of the profit goes to development, the power of Siberia, the same sp2, exploration of new gas deposits .... Or do you think it is not necessary to develop?

[bobba94]

I spoke with a man who is doing business in San Francisco, He says the following - the US authorities do not care how many islands you own and how many gold toilets you put on your estate. The main thing ... your business must be legal and you must pay taxes and comply with the laws ...

[Tavi]

These are taxes from the sale of gas to the budget, and these are subsidies, financial capital, subsidies, pensions, our defense industry ... and these are new jobs. ... and so yes, personally, nothing directly from this pipe. (but you need to think more broadly)

[NEXUS]

Quote: Tavi

and so yes, personally on a straight line from this pipe, nothing. (but you need to think more broadly)

If the subsoil belonged not to a private corporation, but to the state, namely to the people, then all taxes, profits, etc., would go to the treasury, and not the crumbs in the form of taxes that Gazprom is now putting into the budget. Or not?

[Tavi]

what are the crumbs in your concept? 1-2 place in the payment of taxes among organizations in the country in recent years, decades?
Or do you write the numbers? from revenue (not from profit) about 20%

[NEXUS]

Quote: Tavi

what are the crumbs in your concept? 1-2 place in the payment of taxes among organizations in the country in recent years, decades?
Or do you write the numbers? from revenue (not from profit) about 20%

Crumbs, this is in comparison with what Gazprom gets from the sale of gas, profit and vat and so on. And since you remembered about the organization, then answer me, since my opponent kept silent modestly, name me at least one really state (not private) corporation in the Russian Federation. And at the same time, tell me where billions of dollars go from the Russian Federation and where they settle after.

[Tavi]

belongs to the state.
FGC UES - 79,55%
Transneft - 78,1%
Rosneft - 75,16%
VTB - 75,5%
RusHydro - 60,38%.
Sberbank - 57,58%
Aeroflot - 51,17%
GAZPROM - 50,002%

[Aviator_]

Aeroflot - 51,17%

And saves on training pilots, which was shown by the disaster at Sheremetyevo

VTB - 75,5% Sberbank - 57,58%

Neither Crimea is considered the territory of Russia

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: NEXUS

And at the same time, tell me where billions of dollars go from the Russian Federation and where they settle after.

How much? After all, these billions also include the dividends of investors that are invested in Russian enterprises. Completely honest and legal. How do you want? Investments - they are invested for profit ... capitalism, it is so ...

[NEXUS]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

How much? After all, these billions also include the dividends of investors that are invested in Russian enterprises. Completely honest and legal. How do you want? Investments - they are invested for profit ... capitalism, it is so ...

You said for Gazprom that over 50% of them belong to the state. And whose others do not you remind? M ... Let's figure it out ...

As of December 31, 2017, the shareholders of the company were:

companies controlled by the Russian Federation (50,23%), including:
Federal Property Management Agency (38,37%);
OJSC Rosneftegaz (10,97%);
JSC Rosgazifikatsiya (0,89%);
holders of ADRs (25,20%);
other registered persons (24,57%).

And so, the first question, what is OJSC?

Open Joint Stock Company (OJSC) - type of joint-stock company with the possibility of shareholders transferring their shares to third parties without the need to obtain the consent of other shareholders.

Well, Russian, and even more so state, it can be called a stretch.
More ..
What are ADR holders? Let's see ...

American Depositary Receipts ADRs (ADRs) are usually issued by American banks for foreign shares purchased by this bank. The owner of ADRs, like the real shareholder, receives dividends on them, and can benefit from an increase in market value. Since ADRs are issued in US dollars, the exchange rate also affects their price.

Wow, but we, as many here think, are in a state of confrontation, as a state.
And other registered persons are not Russian, so you understand.
And that ... for the "Russian" companies there are all continuous open joint-stock companies ... and the lion's share of the rest is British and American.
So what's over 50%?

[APASUS]

So many grandmothers have invested there that it will be completed according to anyone. Maybe they will figure out how not to start it (another clumsy law), but they will finish it for sure.

[askort154]

[b] When the work will begin, it is not reported, Gazprom will not comment on the news that has appeared, the operator Nord Stream 2 AG also declined to comment on the start of work. / b]


And so it is understandable. They are waiting for the arrival of "Admiral Gorshkov" with a new package of "zircons". He will be the guarantor of the completion of the SP-2.

[Brturin]

Quote: askort154

Waiting for the arrival of "Admiral Gorshkov"

But NATO officials seem to have "chosen" this area ....
According to the navigation portal Vesselfinder, seven ships of the North Atlantic Alliance lined up in the neutral waters of the Baltic Sea between the Danish island of Bornholm and the Polish coast at sunrise. Among them - minesweepers HNoMS Måløy of the Royal Norwegian Navy, Imanta of the Latvian Navy, HNLMS Schiedam of the Netherlands Navy, Admiral Cowan of the Estonian Navy, BNS Crocus of the Belgian Navy, LNS Jotvingis of the Lithuanian Navy and Sulzbach-Rosenberg of the German Navy. Later, the ships began to scatter around the area near the Nord Stream 2 route.
https://eadaily.com/ru/news/2020/10/06/nato-snova-provodit-podvodnuyu-operaciyu-u-severnogo-potoka-2-na-baltike
Before this summer ...
According to the navigation portals Marinetraffic and Myshiptracking, eight NATO minesweepers gathered in the Danish territorial waters and the economic zone southwest of Bornholm Island: the British HMS Ramsey, the Lithuanian M53, the Dutch URK and Zuerikzee, the Finnish Purunpaa 41 and the German M1064, Seehund 07 and Seehund 18 9 .... Judging by the automatic identification system (AIS), yesterday morning, June 2, minesweepers began the passage along the route of the unfinished section of the Nord Stream 10 in Danish waters and completed it by the morning of June XNUMX.
https://eadaily.com/ru/news/2020/06/10/nato-ishchet-miny-na-nedostroennom-uchastke-severnogo-potoka-2

[Ax Matt]

A huge puncture of Gazprom's celestials-strategists in the failure to take all these measures yesterday! Now they will do the alignment first, then the adjustment. Then they will be banned again or someone will break down ... They operate with gigantic money, and they could not establish logistics except for the nipple on the pipe. Miller! If you fail a project, have the courage to resign!
PS And it won't go away ...

[nnz226]

And why the hell did these ships hang out for almost a year, "like a violet in an ice-hole" in the Baltic ?! Was it impossible to reconcile in the spring? Waited for late autumn and winter, with storms ?! To do nothing again? Or are they waiting for the next sanctions?

[Tagan]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Quote: NEXUS

Citizens, and what kind of joy or sadness is it for you from this whole section of the markets, which is dealt with by the world PRIVATE

Does Gazprom pay little taxes to the budget? Is it not the budget now funded, including pensions and salaries in the public sector? This is the answer? Or I don’t know something?

Yes, and non-brothers, too, is time to remove from the trough.

[Mordvin 3]

Two chopiks must be removed from the pipes and connected.

[Pshelts]

The vessel "Akademik Chersky" began preparations for work on the "Nord Stream - 2"

We are stubborn in Russia! This means that this pipeline is very important for our geopolitics .. It is no coincidence that the United States tears and dashes.

[Babermetis]

Quote: Pshelty

The vessel "Akademik Chersky" began preparations for work on the "Nord Stream - 2"

We are stubborn in Russia! This means that this pipeline is very important for our geopolitics .. It is no coincidence that the United States tears and dashes.

And yak! A pipe at sea, if it is not private, increases the zone of national and economic interests of the state by many, many nautical miles!

[ficus2003]

Quote: Livonetc

The pipe-laying vessel Akademik Chersky, together with several special vessels, began preparations for work on the Nord Stream 2.
Great.
Well, we are waiting for another dirty trick from the United States.
Without them, boring.

On the other hand, the terrible sluggishness and insanity, 10 months after the flight of the European pipe-layers, Russian vessels begin to prepare for pipe-laying. Just like June 1941 only logically.

[dgonni]

Did I miss something and did they manage to re-equip Chersky to fit the diameter of the SP-2 pipes?

[Mimino]

Somehow this little boat got tired. It floats, like a well-known substance in an ice-hole, from port to port for months, then it prepares for six months, don't understand what. There is no desire to start already or continue and finish. Just chatter.

[Whirlwind]

Starts November 4th ...

[Dzafdet]

We are waiting for the next episode about Novice: Navalny -2 ... And another batch of sanctions ...

[senima56]

"According to experts, with the domestic vessels at Gazprom's disposal, it will take three to five months of clean work to complete the laying of Nord Stream 2." And these "experts" thought that (October, November, December, February, and March ...) this is exactly the time of the storms? !!! How will Chersky work in such conditions?