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Russian ruble in figures. Trend 2.0

Ruble with the right to transfer



In the USSR, there was once a transferable CMEA ruble, which was not abandoned in Finland, Mexico and Iraq, and then in India and Pakistan, as soon as it became possible to exchange it for dollars and Deutschmarks.

On the basis of the transferable ruble, a large-scale system of international settlements independent of the dollar was created, which existed until 1990, for almost three decades. In the period 1985-1990, about five percent of all international trade was carried out using the transferable ruble.


The transferable ruble existed only on paper or in the form of a token for the 25th anniversary of the IBEC

However, all attempts to apply the experience of the transferable ruble within the EAEU or at least the Union State have failed. The idea of ​​using a single currency - "altyna", put forward by the President of Kazakhstan Nursultan Nazarbayev, also failed.

But everything failed only because our neighbors and partners still do not believe in the real independence and independence of the Bank of Russia. In the opinion of the near abroad, in some of his decisions and actions, he is becoming more and more like a disguised branch of either the IMF, or the US Federal Reserve, which the authors have repeatedly complained about (“Our most central bank in the world. Whom does he serve? ").

It was the Bank of Russia, which is still only studying the possibility of issuing a digital ruble, that made an official announcement that such work was underway. And right there, the Central Bank hastened to sweep aside inappropriate, in their opinion, parallels with cryptocurrencies. And the main argument in favor of the digital ruble against the notorious bitcoin is the strict control over the emission, of course, by the Central Bank of the Russian Federation.

I would very much like to believe, how to believe, and that the issue of digital rubles will not increase the amount of money in circulation, which means it will not backfire on us with inflation. Although the authors, together with other experts, never tire of repeating that Russia is still experiencing an acute liquidity shortage.

At the same time, even the strongest threat of inflation within the country can be easily eliminated at least by tightening currency and export controls. But this cannot be in Russia, because, like a classic, it can never be. The Central Bank has long taken a course towards liberalizing control. Moreover, this was done clearly under the influence of the lobbying of the exporting oligarchs, which means that any changes simply require a different political will. More precisely, a radically different economic and monetary policy aimed at making the poor richer and the rich not poorer because of this.

Ruble outside brackets


It only seems that the economic pressure on Russia began not so long ago, somewhere after Crimea or after Georgia. Only then let it be explained, who repainted Ukraine in "orange" and made the same "Ossetian porridge"? Is it really Russia, just saving compatriots from robberies and murders? ..

However, this is not about this, but about whether it is possible with the help of the new ruble instrument in digital form to provide additional protection for national finances. After all, the invasion of the world currency to us was possible only with the collapse of the USSR, and the euro settled in Russia at all only due to the fact that we are ready to sell our raw materials to Europe for many years to come.

The dollar became a supranational currency because it helped to stop the risks of world exchange. The ruble got attached to it as best it could, although it had every right to rely on the resource potential of the state. But they did not allow it, giving the go-ahead to the policy of periodic devaluations of the national currency.

This saves the federal budget, reduces the debt burden on the country, but at the same time leads to the impoverishment of the majority of the people. At least due to the fact that even with minimal inflation, imported goods, which are the majority on our shelves, by definition cannot but rise in price.

However, rogue countries such as Russia, or, for example, Venezuela, North Korea and Iran, stubbornly resist large-scale dollarization of their economies - with varying degrees of success, of course. Therefore, they tried to impose another tool that has no clan and tribe - cryptocurrencies with bitcoin in the lead.


It turned out somehow not very well, although the environment for this in Russia, it would seem, is the most suitable. Most likely, even the advanced audience too quickly sensed some kind of "network" catch. Therefore, I decided not to sacrifice the latter for the sake of an absolutely unpredictable and seemingly uncontrolled bitcoin.

Bitcoin both rose to the skies and fell, and now, by and large, it is simply forgotten (it has occupied its modest half-percent niche in the world turnover). Whether it is a lot or a little, we do not undertake to judge, just recall only two characteristic points.

First: racketeers of the 90s and early 0,01s in Russia always insisted that two percent was a controlling stake, but they easily selected enterprises and banks for themselves, sometimes without them either. Second: the current situation with the coronavirus makes it clear that a loss of 0,1 percent and a slight malaise in XNUMX percent of the population can also scare the public to a semi-faint.

Let's consider it a blessing that Russians, by and large, chose not to mess with bitcoin, but they almost certainly won't give up digital rubles. Moreover, we are not talking about adopting the practice of the American Federal Reserve, which, under the guise of a pandemic, never ceases to pump the States with billions of unsecured dollars. Electronic, by the way.

Is it all new or nothing new?



Extremely banal passages are published on the Bank of Russia website. "The digital ruble can become a new form of money along with cash and non-cash." "Like non-cash money, the digital ruble makes remote payments and online payments possible."

You might think that the advanced audience in our country does not pay by cards and even simply from mobile phones. The Central Bank did not receive any intelligible explanation of the difference between the digital "wooden" one from this form of payment.

Although there is one very real innovation: "... the digital ruble, like cash, can be used offline - in the absence of access to the Internet."

Digital rubles, instead of numbers on banknotes or entries in bank accounts, should, according to the developers of the system, receive unique codes. Again, there is a parallel with bitcoins, and payments in digital rubles will assume a trivial transfer of these codes.

One digital ruble will, of course, be equivalent to 1 cash and 1 non-cash, but more free in circulation. The same Bank of Russia, through the mouth of its deputy chairman Alexei Zabotkin, assures everyone that “the economically key innovation in the issue of the digital ruble is not in a new form of money, but in expanding the direct access of economic agents to the obligations of the Central Bank”.

It is hard to believe that ordinary citizens, having borrowed digital rubles, will be able to lend directly to the Central Bank of the Russian Federation just as easily as banks from the top ten, or operate with securities issued by the Bank of Russia, but liberalization can reach this point. What the hell is not kidding, but who will get better from it?

Perhaps the main advantage of the digital ruble is that it will help make payments faster, easier and safer. The main thing is where access to financial infrastructure is limited. That is, in remote, sparsely populated and hard-to-reach areas. Although there are gas stations there, and they have long become something of a hearth of civilization up to access to inexpensive Wi-Fi.

The Central Bank assures us that the digital ruble is another means in the fight against dollarization, although in the same Russian provinces there is nothing to do with dollars and euros. And it seems that the digital ruble should make various kinds of financial services more accessible, although people do not need too many of them.

However, the realities of the third millennium are such that digitalization a priori is required, and we are reminded for a reason that both China and the United States are engaged in the development of national digital currencies. Who would doubt that.

But the fact that in three countries, Uruguay, Ukraine and Ecuador, the testing of the national digital currency has been completed, let us doubt it a little. Based on the question: why? Just to work out the budget resource?
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  1. Svarog
    Svarog 15 October 2020 15: 05
    +2
    Perhaps the main advantage of the digital ruble is that it will help make payments faster, easier and safer.

    It certainly won't be safer .. we will find how to profit from this ..
    But the fact that in three countries, Uruguay, Ukraine and Ecuador, the testing of the national digital currency has been completed, let us doubt it a little. Based on the question: why? Just to work out the budget resource?

    For the same as ours, for convenience, if only .. but definitely not to fight the dollar ..
  2. Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 15 October 2020 15: 07
    +4
    Y-yes ... I'd love to hear the answer to this (from the article):

    You might think that the advanced audience in our country does not pay by cards and even simply from mobile phones. The Central Bank did not receive any intelligible explanation of the difference between the digital "wooden" one from this form of payment.??

    I have experience with digital money surrogates since 1998 ... good

    I don’t have an answer to the question of why the "digital ruble" is also needed ... crying
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 15 October 2020 15: 11
      +8
      Quote: Corona without virus
      I don’t have an answer to the question of why the "digital ruble" is also needed ...

      Firstly, you need to produce less paper money .. this is savings, and secondly, you can better track all operations, respectively, control. Digital slavery is just around the corner.
      1. Virus-free crown
        Virus-free crown 15 October 2020 15: 15
        +3
        Quote: Svarog
        Quote: Corona without virus
        I don’t have an answer to the question of why the "digital ruble" is also needed ...

        Firstly, you need to produce less paper money .. this is savings, and secondly, you can better track all operations, respectively, control. Digital slavery is just around the corner.

        You just don't know ... it has ALREADY come !!! wassat
        Quite recently, this summer, it was forbidden to deposit cash up to 15 thousand rubles to your kiwi wallet through terminals and ATMs, even if your qiwi wallet is at least three times certified according to the full scheme! crying
        You can only transfer to it from bank accounts ... these are the "kitten pies" laughing And the fundamental importance of the qiwi wallet over the bank account is no longer ... qiwi can be considered almost dead ...
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 15 October 2020 15: 39
          +1
          Quote: Corona without virus
          More recently, this summer, it was prohibited to deposit cash up to 15 thousand rubles to your qiwi wallet through terminals and ATMs,

          The people did not even notice that it is no longer possible to pay for the Internet through ATMs, for example, and the ATMs themselves have changed. More precisely, the services have changed, which were previously provided and now.
          1. Virus-free crown
            Virus-free crown 15 October 2020 16: 04
            +2
            Quote: mordvin xnumx
            Quote: Corona without virus
            More recently, this summer, it was prohibited to deposit cash up to 15 thousand rubles to your qiwi wallet through terminals and ATMs,

            The people did not even notice that it is no longer possible to pay for the Internet through ATMs, for example, and the ATMs themselves have changed. More precisely, the services have changed, which were previously provided and now.

            Therefore, I clarified that "digital slavery" has already come !!! laughing but the people did not notice ... and when they notice it is already too late, not to mention when they notice wassat
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 15 October 2020 16: 12
              +4
              Quote: Corona without virus
              it's too late now, not to mention when he will notice

              Either in May, or in June, I tried to shove cash for the Internet into an ATM and failed. It's the same with mobile communications. I wrote about it here. And there were some stupid columns like "self-collection" and "charity". Yeah, what would I shove charity into an ATM ... Stick out your pocket wider!
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    2. Sergey39
      Sergey39 15 October 2020 15: 48
      -1
      Quote: Corona without virus
      Y-yes ... I'd love to hear the answer to this (from the article):

      They just want to introduce a two-circuit nature of money circulation, which was the case in the Soviet Union. For consumers and for industry. And the digital ruble is just a name.
      1. nnm
        nnm 15 October 2020 16: 01
        +3
        What was this second circuit in the USSR? If you are talking about a transferable ruble, then it is not applicable to internal payments. Such currencies were and are the sea - ecu, sdr, etc. They are used to simplify international settlements. And in the USSR, the transferable ruble only killed the country's economy, because through its exchange rate money was redistributed from the USSR towards the CMEA countries
        1. Sergey39
          Sergey39 15 October 2020 17: 01
          +3
          Quote: nnm
          If you are talking about a transferable ruble

          No, not about the first ruble. In the USSR, there was a double-circuit, nowhere intersecting money circulation - cash, for citizens and non-cash, for enterprises. Violation of this principle by Gorbachev served as the trigger for the collapse of the Union. When state money flowed from non-cash circulation into the hands of the people. Hence the total deficit of everything.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 15 October 2020 23: 33
            -5
            "It was Gorbachev's violation of this principle that triggered the collapse of the Union." Please do not tell fairy tales.
    3. nnm
      nnm 15 October 2020 15: 57
      +1
      Yes, the answer is on the surface - increased control within the financial system. No wonder the numbering is assumed. Then you can transfer all payments for government contracts to the digital ruble and calmly track the final beneficiaries, or, at least, the road to them, etc.
      There is nothing particularly abstruse in this idea.
      Although there is not much sense either, only if you start to squeeze the standard non-cash circulation into digital.
      In principle, the idea is not bad at all, but not in our state.
      1. Virus-free crown
        Virus-free crown 15 October 2020 16: 07
        0
        Quote: nnm
        Yes, the answer is on the surface - strengthening control within the financial system. No wonder the numbering is assumed. Then you can transfer all payments for government contracts to the digital ruble and calmly track the final beneficiaries, or, at least, the road to them, etc.
        There is nothing particularly abstruse in this idea.
        Although there is not much sense either, only if you start to squeeze the standard non-cash circulation into digital.
        In principle, the idea is not bad at all, but not in our state.

        At 16:05 on October 15, 2020 ALL !!! non-cash payments in Russia in rubles, no matter in what systems they are carried out, both according to the law, and in fact are under full control !!! hi How much to strengthen what ?! laughing
        1. nnm
          nnm 15 October 2020 16: 10
          +3
          Well, let's just say, now you took them off in a strip as cash and deposited them elsewhere. And if you run the figure in full force, then in order for you to put something into your account in another bank, make a purchase, etc., you will need to give the numbers of the figure of the source of funds - and you shine the whole chain. The difference is huge.
          1. Virus-free crown
            Virus-free crown 15 October 2020 16: 16
            0
            Quote: nnm
            Well, let's just say, now you took them off in a strip as cash and deposited them elsewhere. And if you run the figure in full force, then in order for you to put something into your account in another bank, make a purchase, etc., you will need to give the numbers of the figure of the source of funds - and you shine the whole chain. The difference is huge.

            Well, this is only if the legislation is changed !!! laughing
            For the current moment, you are not required to report where you got the money from wassat Even if you are my neighbor at the dacha, the deputy head of the district traffic police, who officially receives less than me, but has built a mansion for yourself soooo that it is not a shame for Putin to hold a summit at the state level bully One fountain with a diameter of 10 meters and a depth of 2 meters with heating, fish and color music is more expensive there than my whole summer cottage wassat tongue
            1. nnm
              nnm 15 October 2020 16: 17
              0
              This is what the figure is for. And a plus, of course, for analysis. But this is secondary
              1. Virus-free crown
                Virus-free crown 15 October 2020 16: 29
                0
                Quote: nnm
                This is what the figure is for. And a plus, of course, for analysis. But this is secondary

                Something I strongly doubt that traffic cops will take bribes in the "digital ruble" laughing lol
                So ... until, as in the hated gay Europe, our beloved Russia will not adopt laws according to which, before putting money into your bank account, you will justify their legal origin - all these "digital rubles" are ridiculous to the chickens !!! good hi bully
    4. Simargl
      Simargl 15 October 2020 16: 09
      +2
      Quote: Corona without virus
      I don’t have an answer to the question of why the "digital ruble" is also needed ...
      This is a surrogate for cash, as I understand it. But how to control the turnover? Only specialized software that will write off 100500% in one place and enroll in another ... but then how will our life differ from what was shown in the movie "Time"?
      1. Virus-free crown
        Virus-free crown 15 October 2020 16: 11
        -1
        Quote: Simargl
        At 16:05 on October 15, 2020 ALL !!! non-cash payments in Russia in rubles, no matter in what systems they are carried out, both according to the law, and in fact are under full control !!! How much to strengthen what ?!

        Again ... although I think you just didn't read my answer:

        Quote: Crown without virus
        Quote: nnm
        Yes, the answer is on the surface - strengthening control within the financial system. No wonder the numbering is assumed. Then you can transfer all payments for government contracts to the digital ruble and calmly track the final beneficiaries, or, at least, the road to them, etc.
        There is nothing particularly abstruse in this idea.
        Although there is not much sense either, only if you start to squeeze the standard non-cash circulation into digital.
        In principle, the idea is not bad at all, but not in our state.

        At 16:05 on October 15, 2020 ALL !!! non-cash payments in Russia in rubles, no matter in what systems they are carried out, both according to the law, and in fact are under full control !!! hi How much to strengthen what ?! laughing
        1. Simargl
          Simargl 15 October 2020 16: 18
          +2
          Quote: Corona without virus
          Again ... although I think you just didn't read my answer:

          Quote: Corona without virus
          Yes, the answer is on the surface - increased control within the financial system. No wonder the numbering is assumed

          "... the digital ruble, like cash, can be used offline - in the absence of Internet access."
          Take a closer look at the latter: offline mode assumes that funds are transferred without the control of a financial institution. How many transactions can be made offline? How likely is it to keep a copy?
          But with full control of online payments, the numbers of "bills" are not needed - you need directions of transactions.
          1. Virus-free crown
            Virus-free crown 15 October 2020 16: 35
            -1
            Quote: Simargl
            Quote: Corona without virus
            Again ... although I think you just didn't read my answer:

            Quote: Corona without virus
            Yes, the answer is on the surface - increased control within the financial system. No wonder the numbering is assumed

            "... the digital ruble, like cash, can be used offline - in the absence of Internet access."
            Take a closer look at the latter: offline mode assumes that funds are transferred without the control of a financial institution. How many transactions can be made offline? How likely is it to keep a copy?
            But with full control of online payments, the numbers of "bills" are not needed - you need directions of transactions.

            If I'm not mistaken, 15 years ago (+ - 5 years), the WebMoney system has long ago implemented an off-line mode of transferring money to each other ... hi Off-line transactions can be carried out according to this scheme at least a million ... at least a billion ... at least a trillion ... wink And everything was according to the law ... and even now according to the law ... I will say more - using the WebMoney system according to the law, you could and can become your own "emission centers for issuing electronic money" ... it is said about this here (to paraphrase, what the heroes of the film say in relation to electronic money):

            1. Simargl
              Simargl 15 October 2020 16: 41
              +1
              The fact of the matter is that there should be one emtent, otherwise ...
              1. Virus-free crown
                Virus-free crown 15 October 2020 16: 42
                -1
                Quote: Simargl
                The fact of the matter is that there should be one emtent, otherwise ...

                Then it is necessary to completely change all the legislation of the Russian Federation in the financial sector. No.
              2. Virus-free crown
                Virus-free crown 15 October 2020 17: 05
                -1
                Quote: Simargl
                The fact of the matter is that there should be one emtent, otherwise ...

                Let's consider a purely hypothetical, but completely legal scheme, only and exclusively according to the Laws of the Russian Federation !!!
                1. I use my own money to advertise that I borrow 1 ruble for 1 year and undertake to return 1 ruble 12 kopecks in a year. repeat The advertisement will honestly indicate the value of my assets - conditionally, 10 million rubles. - honor certified by a notary
                2. You, having bought from me 1 rub. my debts - consider that you have purchased a coin worth "1 Crown Russian Ruble" wassat
                3. Further, by law, you have a bunch of options on how to use 1 "CoronovirusRubl" - everything will depend on trust in the value of my "currency" laughing From a formal point of view, I became an "emission center" and released a new monetary instrument ... from an everyday point of view, I am no worse than the Central Bank of the Russian Federation good a question of just trust ... who is trusted more ... the Central Bank of the Russian Federation or me repeat

                drinks
                1. Simargl
                  Simargl 15 October 2020 19: 51
                  +1
                  Quote: Corona without virus
                  Let's consider a purely hypothetical, but completely legal scheme, only and exclusively according to the Laws of the Russian Federation !!!
                  As I understand it, this is a pyramid, in fact. It is not very legal.
                  Quote: Simargl
                  the issuer must be one, otherwise ...
                  ... no, not tumble - bursting bubbles.
                  1. Virus-free crown
                    Virus-free crown 15 October 2020 20: 44
                    -1
                    Quote: Simargl
                    Quote: Corona without virus
                    Let's consider a purely hypothetical, but completely legal scheme, only and exclusively according to the Laws of the Russian Federation !!!
                    As I understand it, this is a pyramid, in fact. It is not very legal.
                    Quote: Simargl
                    the issuer must be one, otherwise ...
                    ... no, not tumble - bursting bubbles.

                    What is such a pyramid ?! bully
                    I have 10.000.000 rubles on my balance.
                    I borrowed 1 (one) rub
                    Where is the pyramid ??? laughing
                2. aybolyt678
                  aybolyt678 15 October 2020 21: 00
                  +1
                  Quote: Corona without virus
                  3. Further, by law, you have a bunch of options on how to use 1 "CoronovirusRubl" - everything will depend on trust in the value of my "currency"

                  I just do not understand - where will you take 12 kopecks from the ruble of debts? Do you know how many such acquaintances I had who wanted to take money at 12 percent?
                  1. Virus-free crown
                    Virus-free crown 15 October 2020 21: 18
                    -1
                    Quote: aybolyt678
                    Quote: Corona without virus
                    3. Further, by law, you have a bunch of options on how to use 1 "CoronovirusRubl" - everything will depend on trust in the value of my "currency"

                    I just do not understand - where will you take 12 kopecks from the ruble of debts? Do you know how many such acquaintances I had who wanted to take money at 12 percent?

                    If you do not quite understand, then I will explain on the fingers again good
                    I borrow 1 ruble from you and promise to return 1 ruble 12 kopecks to you in a year hi

                    And then ... you have to trust someone, one of us two ... either me or the Central Bank of the Russian Federation ...

                    1. To me - that I will return to you in a year 1 rub 12 kopecks
                    2. Or the Central Bank of the Russian Federation ... that even if I return 1 ruble 12 kopecks to you in a year, that in a year my 1 ruble 12 kopecks will cost NOT 1,12 kopecks in purchasing power in a year at today's prices bully
                    1. Simargl
                      Simargl 16 October 2020 16: 51
                      0
                      Quote: Corona without virus
                      2. You, having bought from me 1 rub. my debts - consider that you have purchased a coin worth "1 Crown Russian Ruble"
                      How are you going to give away 1.12 rubles? By what means? At the expense of 10 million?
                      Or by selling IOUs?
                      If at the expense of 10 million is bad business: you are at a net loss.
                      If by selling IOUs it is a fraud and a pyramid (you are a fraudster).
                      If at the expense of 10 million as primary trust to attract buyers of IOUs is a fraud and a pyramid (you are a fraudster).
      2. Svarog
        Svarog 15 October 2020 16: 57
        +2
        Quote: Simargl
        what was shown in the movie "Time"?

        Cool movie .. that's all it goes))
    5. Lannan Shi
      Lannan Shi 15 October 2020 17: 48
      +1
      Quote: Corona without virus
      I have no answer to the question why the "digital ruble" is also needed.

      It seems that everything is just like a perpendicular. The crypto market is very voluminous. So that pundits do not invent there. The capitalization of one bitcoin is 17 trillion rubles. Gazprom has 4. So they are trying to suck on the cake. By speculating on the fact that people have heard that Bitcoin is great and is constantly getting more expensive. But for the most part they are not aware that it is finite. 21 million period. And no cunning bank, even Russia or Papua New Guinea, will "please" with the announcement that it was 21 million yesterday, and today another 21 billion have been drawn. So they want to make a modest deal on this ignorance. And maybe immodest.
    6. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 15 October 2020 20: 55
      +2
      Quote: Corona without virus
      I have experience with digital money surrogates since 1998 ...

      I don’t have an answer to the question of why the "digital ruble" is also needed ...

      how do you like the idea of ​​a rigid peg of the ruble to Kilowatt ??
      1. Virus-free crown
        Virus-free crown 15 October 2020 21: 22
        -2
        Quote: aybolyt678
        Quote: Corona without virus
        I have experience with digital money surrogates since 1998 ...

        I don’t have an answer to the question of why the "digital ruble" is also needed ...

        how do you like the idea of ​​a rigid peg of the ruble to Kilowatt ??

        Strongly negative !!! hi
        Kilowatt is different ... repeat it's one thing to get it from hydroelectric power plants ... the second thing is to get it from fuel oil tongue the third thing is nuclear power plants ... then we need to clarify where we get the "average kilowatt" hi
        1. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 15 October 2020 21: 32
          +1
          Quote: Corona without virus
          Strongly negative !!!
          Kilowatt is different.

          kilowatt is always the same laughing from it and 600 flour, a loaf of bread is obtained, a kilowatt electric motor operates for one hour. But the dollar is always different: it is at a hundred bucks per barrel, then at 20, it is just a standard in itself and it does not bother anyone. This rejection of yours is reminiscent of the embarrassment of a young mistress in old books. lol love On the other hand, the kilowatt ruble would be a new standard, the daily kilowatt is the ruble, the night is 50 kopecks, and it is not the ruble that falls or "strengthens" but the dollar around the kilowatt.
          1. Virus-free crown
            Virus-free crown 15 October 2020 21: 43
            -2
            Quote: aybolyt678
            Quote: Corona without virus
            Strongly negative !!!
            Kilowatt is different.

            kilowatt is always the same laughing from it and 600 flour, a loaf of bread is obtained, a kilowatt electric motor operates for one hour. But the dollar is always different: it is at a hundred bucks per barrel, then at 20, it is just a standard in itself and it does not bother anyone. This rejection of yours is reminiscent of the embarrassment of a young mistress in old books. lol love On the other hand, the kilowatt ruble would be a new standard, the daily kilowatt is the ruble, the night is 50 kopecks, and it is not the ruble that falls or "strengthens" but the dollar around the kilowatt.

            Are you sure that a kilowatt and 600 (grams?) Of flour will turn out a loaf of bread at the same price, it does NOT matter where this kilowatt comes from - from the nearest hydroelectric power plant, nuclear power plant or diesel engine powered by solarium ?! repeat wassat
            1. aybolyt678
              aybolyt678 15 October 2020 22: 03
              +1
              Quote: Corona without virus
              It is NOT important where this kilowatt comes from - from the nearest hydroelectric power plant, nuclear power plant or diesel engine powered by solarium ?!

              we're not talking about the birth of a kilowatt, but about a new currency standard. The ruble pegged to the dollar is more vulnerable. Moreover, the currency basket is formed not from the purchasing power of currencies, but from the games of stock market swindlers. Moreover, a kilowatt is provided with infrastructure: hydroelectric power plants, nuclear power plants, diesel engines, solarium, and also power grids ..... A ruble tied to a kilowatt is always an average daily kilowatt. A standard will appear in the world against which it will be possible to navigate and some who will buy our debt obligations in the form of energy rubles wassat
              1. Virus-free crown
                Virus-free crown 15 October 2020 22: 10
                -2
                Quote: aybolyt678
                Quote: Corona without virus
                It is NOT important where this kilowatt comes from - from the nearest hydroelectric power plant, nuclear power plant or diesel engine powered by solarium ?!

                we're not talking about the birth of a kilowatt, but about a new currency standard. The ruble pegged to the dollar is more vulnerable. Moreover, the currency basket is formed not from the purchasing power of currencies, but from the games of stock market swindlers. Moreover, the kilowatt is provided with infrastructure: hydroelectric power plants, nuclear power plants, diesel engines, solarium, and also power grids ...The ruble pegged to a kilowatt is always an average daily kilowatt. A standard will appear in the world against which it will be possible to navigate and some who will buy our debt obligations in the form of energy rubles wassat


                "It was smooth on paper - but forgot about the ravines" (c) Russian proverb drinks

                Let's not go far ... why do you think Germany is fighting for Russian gas? angry

                Yes, they just adopted the concept of "green energy" and CLOSED the NPP at their place (they are closing it according to plan) ... and so ... they have there the price of 1 sq. M will depend very soon on gas prices ... and what we will set the prices for gas to them al there, and so the price of 1 square meter will change for them)))

                If SUDDENLY a nuclear power plant is shut down in Russia, then the same price for 1 sq. Km will skyrocket ... and so on and so on. tongue
                1. aybolyt678
                  aybolyt678 15 October 2020 22: 19
                  +2
                  Quote: Corona without virus
                  "It was smooth on paper - but forgot about the ravines" (c) Russian proverb

                  Favorite saying of Putin, for the first time I heard it from him laughing There is also an expression - no matter what happens! and have been going with the flow for 30 years!
                  By the way, in Soviet times, industrial consumption of electricity was much higher than household consumption, so electricity production is also an indicator of industrial well-being. What is Marx Value? value is labor embodied in the product! otherwise working hours. And if you measure it not by time but by energy? it turns out very nicely: The cost is the energy embodied in the product! this does not contradict and even adorns economic theory. Ravines disappear in the form of global currency crises tongue
                  1. Virus-free crown
                    Virus-free crown 15 October 2020 22: 27
                    -1
                    Quote: aybolyt678
                    Quote: Corona without virus
                    "It was smooth on paper - but forgot about the ravines" (c) Russian proverb

                    Favorite saying of Putin, for the first time I heard it from him laughing There is also an expression - no matter what happens! and have been going with the flow for 30 years!
                    By the way, in Soviet times, industrial consumption of electricity was much higher than household consumption, so electricity production is also an indicator of industrial well-being. What is Marx Value? value is labor embodied in the product! otherwise working hours. And if you measure it not by time but by energy? it turns out very beautifully: the cost is the energy embodied in the product! this does not contradict and even adorns economic theory. Ravines disappear in the form of global currency crises tongue

                    1. "Putin's favorite saying" I heard about 45 years ago - in the 1st grade of the school laughing
                    2. Okay, let's take as an example the cost of 1 square meter for hydroelectric power plants and fuel oil
                    - The hydroelectric power station was built 1 time, you just need to take care of it, the cost of 1 square meter does not depend on the time of day - it does not affect the cost price
                    - A station on fuel oil consumes, relatively speaking, 1 ton of fuel oil per day - it must be constantly transported (and to bring it up - you need to constantly extract oil, distill it into fuel oil) - it does not matter in the daytime, or at night - i.e. at night, fuel oil is by and large burned empty ... since consumers are asleep, and fuel oil is consumed ...

                    )))
                    1. aybolyt678
                      aybolyt678 15 October 2020 22: 32
                      +2
                      Quote: Corona without virus
                      Okay, let's look at the cost of 1 sq.

                      do you understand the difference between the economic concepts of cost and price ?. Please don't get confused. Understand. Khrushchev could not come by the way laughing And he scored the same team.
                      In Russia, the price of electricity is about the same. If we want to keep the balance, then the energy ruble must be equated to the price of electricity sold abroad. The price for the domestic consumer may differ according to some strict coefficients.
                      And of course fuel oil can be consumed, but this does not mean that money will be printed in the amount of fuel oil consumed lol
                      1. Virus-free crown
                        Virus-free crown 15 October 2020 22: 40
                        -1
                        Quote: aybolyt678
                        Quote: Corona without virus
                        Okay, let's look at the cost of 1 sq.

                        do you understand the difference between the economic concepts of cost and price ?. Please don't get confused. Understand. Khrushchev could not come by the way laughing And he scored the same team.

                        I'm sorry !!! drinks I forgot in my post to write "myself" before the cost hi

                        well, the price ... it can be different ... the price of 1 liter of clean drinking water from the middle of Lake Baikal and in the middle of the Sahara can differ thousands of times ... sometimes in the desert and would be glad to give 1 gram of diamond for 1 gram of water ( I remember, I remember, diamonds are measured in carats wink ) - no one will sell bully
      2. Motorist
        Motorist 15 October 2020 21: 57
        +1
        Quote: aybolyt678
        how do you like the idea of ​​a rigid peg of the ruble to Kilowatt ??

        By kilowatt-hour, did you mean? Someone here has already suggested this. There is logic, but it is better - to the man-hour (roughly - to the minimum wage), which is tied to the cost of the consumer basket. Cost is, of course, a conventional word; rather - just to the basket. But this is within the country, what to do with international financial relations? ..
        1. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 15 October 2020 22: 25
          +1
          Quote: Motorist
          Cost is, of course, a conventional word;

          value is labor embodied in a commodity. A very specific term. How to measure labor is a question? human hours of work or consumed electricity? if by electricity then everything falls into place. And international financial relations too lol Yuan dollars are growing, falling, but we have a kilowatt ruble. The more Russian energy is in a product, the more stable the price. Imported from abroad - the price dances as it is now. Everything is clear and simple request
          1. Motorist
            Motorist 15 October 2020 22: 38
            0
            Quote: aybolyt678
            How to measure labor is a question? human hours of work or consumed electricity?

            KW * h are different, which standard to take? And its importance depends on the demand for energy resources. And for a person to eat, get dressed, shelter (ie, "basket") - the significance is about the same, one must become attached to it. After all, there should be good things for people, people are our wealth!
            1. aybolyt678
              aybolyt678 15 October 2020 22: 45
              +1
              Quote: Motorist
              the significance is about the same, you need to get attached to it

              a kilowatt is always 600 grams of bread, this is an hour of operation of a kilowatt electric motor ..
              you will tie your basket to the electricity contained in it and everything will fall into place
              1. Motorist
                Motorist 15 October 2020 22: 56
                +1
                Quote: aybolyt678
                a kilowatt is always 600 grams of bread, this is an hour of operation of a kilowatt electric motor

                Tomorrow I will improve the oven, and it will be 800 g instead of 600. Or vice versa - a lean year, I will have to buy grain for conditional oil, and kWh will be equal to 400 g of bread. The motor, of course, will continue to spin at its own kilowatt, but with bread - "swing" ... what
                1. aybolyt678
                  aybolyt678 15 October 2020 23: 06
                  +2
                  Quote: Motorist
                  but with bread - "swing" ...

                  there will simply be less money in circulation, and there will be no swing. Or only for the purchase of someone else's flour, in this case the price of a loaf will be more expensive. The main standard is to give the world. The dollar is not puzzled, it knocks down this one and the other, while one cheap one - buys, then it becomes more expensive, he sells it. Oil has collapsed 5 times and nothing. And you mean the swing wassat
                  if you improve the stove it will become more expensive smile And for the invention you can take a good percentage of the saved energy
                  1. Motorist
                    Motorist 15 October 2020 23: 09
                    +1
                    Quote: aybolyt678
                    The main standard is to give the world.

                    Yes, probably ... In any case, the direction is correct - it is necessary to tie it to something material and truly valuable: be it kWh, bread or kg of asphalt. hi
    7. Yura
      Yura 15 October 2020 23: 48
      0
      Quote: Corona without virus
      The answer to the question why we also need a "digital ruble", I have

      A virtual offshore company, uncontrolled, this money can be used from anywhere in the world, try to arrest it, it is almost impossible without the keys from the owner, this is if I understood correctly from the article that every coin has a code. Who needs it, or is it beneficial - this is not a question, it is clear to everyone.
  3. Woodman
    Woodman 15 October 2020 15: 16
    +1
    that both China and the USA are engaged in the development of national digital currencies.
    It seems that in China, crypto-yuan is already being tested "on humans."
    For the first time, China made it possible for residents to pay with the digital yuan. For this, a lottery was held in Shenzhen, the country's technological hub. Almost 2 million applications were submitted, with 50 winners, AsiaOne reported. They received 000 yuan (about $ 200) each.

    You need to spend the winnings quickly - before October 18 - in one of 3389 outlets participating in the project. You cannot transfer money to someone or withdraw it to a bank account.

    This is the first time the digital yuan is being tested with the participation of the general public. Previous experiments were conducted behind closed doors, involving employees of four banks and government officials.

    Read more at RBC:
    https://ww

    So maybe instead of guessing, see why the Chinese authorities are working on the crypto-yuan? And then already write a full article in the "Analytics" section? I think it would be interesting to many.
  4. Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 15 October 2020 15: 27
    +2
    Hmm .. apparently soon we will write applications at work, I ask you to transfer the salary in digital rubles. laughing
    1. nnm
      nnm 15 October 2020 16: 02
      +1
      You flatter us .... they will simply hand over a piece of paper with a personal code number and send them to think about how to get money from this now.
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 15 October 2020 16: 18
        0
        Quote: nnm
        .simply hand over a piece of paper with the number of the personal stake and send them to think about how to get money from this now.

        And how will the beggars on the porch collect money? Everyone will be standing with a personal typewriter, where do you need to stick the card?
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 15 October 2020 23: 43
        -3
        You will have a digital wallet with a code, you will open it, such a system with a digital ruble is good because all this money in the country will always be under the control of the tax authorities, income and expenses with a strict audit - it will be impossible to steal this money as well as bribe them. All operations with your wallet and everyone else will be at a glance. And most importantly, it will be impossible to withdraw this money from the country illegally, and no one will be able to hide or cheat with the payment of taxes.
  5. Doccor18
    Doccor18 15 October 2020 16: 21
    +2
    ... but they almost certainly will not give up digital rubles.

    Anyway, almost 75% use cards and electronic payments.
    The meaning of the venture?
    The digital ruble is introduced for the gradual destruction of cash. Slowly, but the cash will be removed. It interferes with total control over finances. A ruble in a person's pocket is a person's ruble, and a digital ruble is a ruble on an account ...
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 15 October 2020 17: 22
      -1
      Quote: Doccor18
      The digital ruble is introduced for the gradual destruction of cash. Slowly, but the cash will be removed. It interferes with total control over finances. A ruble in a person's pocket is a person's ruble, and a digital ruble is a ruble on an account ...

      The digital ruble is a person's right to fall into eternal bondage to the state apparatus. They won't ask you what you want to buy and how much you can pay in taxes.
      One hundred percent, that at the same time (let's say this happens wassat ) a special card, or special accounts, will appear, access to which will be closed for ordinary clerks and even clerks with powers.
    2. Simargl
      Simargl 15 October 2020 18: 54
      0
      Quote: Doccor18
      the digital ruble is the ruble on the account ...
      If the following is true, then no ... or rather - not quite
      "... the digital ruble, like cash, can be used offline - in the absence of Internet access."
    3. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 15 October 2020 21: 02
      +1
      Quote: Doccor18
      It interferes with total control over finances. A ruble in a person's pocket is a person's ruble, and a digital ruble is a ruble on an account ...

      maybe the new ruble is a standard that does not depend on the exchange rate? winked not a word about convertibility in the article
  6. apro
    apro 15 October 2020 16: 28
    +1
    The national currency is trust. And in relation to thaler, how much of this trust ... and how it dances on the table with a serious audience.
    It is prestigious to have a national monetary unit, but how to secure it? How to defend it? And how and why to use it? As a pump for pumping out vital resources from the territory of circulation and deftly converting it into something more stable ...
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 15 October 2020 17: 27
      0
      Quote: apro
      It is prestigious to have a national monetary unit, but how to provide it?

      The national monetary unit of Russia - the ruble - is owned by all and sundry. Having the Russian ruble on the list of reserve currencies is a different story. And, in fact, that Russia has nothing to provide for the ruble? Yes, the same wheat and fresh water, which are lacking even in many successful countries. Here it is not necessary to deal with the ruble, but with those who throw these rubles around to satisfy their personal lust ...
      1. apro
        apro 15 October 2020 17: 34
        0
        Quote: ROSS 42
        Yes, the same wheat and fresh water

        And under whose jurisdiction? And what are the prices? Of exchange commodities ...
  7. prior
    prior 15 October 2020 16: 35
    +4
    The Central Bank of Russia has been screwed up with the "wooden" one, and with the digital one.
    1. apro
      apro 15 October 2020 16: 48
      +5
      Quote: prior
      The Central Bank of Russia has been screwed up with the "wooden" one, and with the digital one.

      I didn’t shit ... it was so conceived. And new manipulations with digitalization. Only for the convenience of fraud.
  8. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 15 October 2020 17: 16
    -1
    However, rogue countries such as Russia, or, for example, Venezuela, North Korea and Iran, stubbornly resist large-scale dollarization of their economies - with varying degrees of success, of course.

    Is Russia an outcast country? Yes, how did your tongue turn? The fact that power in Russia was seized as a result of the Yeltsin-Gorbachev conspiracy by a group of completely dishonest people does not mean that the country cannot turn the course in the other direction, that it cannot become really independent and socially oriented.
    But the fact that in three countries, Uruguay, Ukraine and Ecuador, testing of the national digital currency has been completed, let us doubt it a little.

    This is the best comparison. Then there is Honduras, Uganda, Burundi ...
    I don’t understand what the authors wanted to tell us? That Russia cannot get rid of its dollar dependence? Yes, this is like "two fingers on the asphalt" ... First, it's time to deal with the gray cardinals in industry, economy and banking. This is done very simply - take the udder and ask:
    "For whom, PIKE, do you work?"
    And do not shed crocodile tears here about the undervalued ruble. There would be something to sell, but paper can always be cut.
    The only thing that is very attractive for our oligarchs after registering a business in offshore is digitalization. It's so convenient:
    Press the button - get the result
    And your dream will come true.
    Press the button, but why are you not happy
    You have nothing to strive for

    Only some small and base dreams ...
    1. imobile2008
      imobile2008 15 October 2020 20: 05
      -3
      Is Russia an outcast country? Yes, how did your tongue turn?
      Ну The USSR was an outcast squared, so overall it's better
  9. Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 15 October 2020 21: 36
    -1
    So ... belay I am here TOTALLY by accident, while communicating in this topic, I learned that the citizens of the Russian Federation are absolutely NOT in the courses about the Central Bank of the Russian Federation belay

    I quote from the source:

    The state is not liable for the obligations of the Bank of Russia, and the Bank of Russia - for the obligations of the state

    Source: Federal Law of July 10.07.2002, 86 N 20.07.2020-FZ (as amended on July 01.09.2020, XNUMX) "On the Central Bank of the Russian Federation (Bank of Russia)" (as amended and supplemented, entered into force on September XNUMX, XNUMX)

    So ... even from a legal point of view, we (the Crown and the Central Bank of the Russian Federation) are on equal terms - neither I nor he are responsible for the obligations of the state of the Russian Federation laughing laughing laughing

    And that I, and that the Central Bank of the Russian Federation can issue "money surrogates" ... well, then ... according to the classics of the genre ... whoever is believed more is right bully
  10. Arkady Gaidar
    Arkady Gaidar 15 October 2020 22: 17
    0
    "... which means that any changes just need a different political will. More precisely, a fundamentally different economic and monetary policy aimed at making the poor richer and the rich not poorer."
    What is it like?! I agree that I am not very smart in economics, but I can well imagine an economic space called Russia, in the form of a bucket of water. From which everyone draws water, and the government, through taxes and other measures, adds life-giving moisture there. And now let's imagine that ordinary citizens began to draw more water to heal richer. But then the oligarchs will get less and vice versa - the oligarchs draw more and the people are left by the throat so as not to die of thirst. And then it turns out that you need to have one more or more buckets of water nearby, from which a bucket called Russia will be replenished. This is classical imperialism and neo-colonialism, in which we all now live, but we are not the main "consumers" in it (with the main bucket).
    Further, in order to ensure the protection of national finances, you will have to start not with the economy, but with a change in the thinking of citizens, the ideology of the population, if you want (not to be confused with the state)). And there are already such options:
    https://ridero.ru/books/uklad_mudrosti/
    But the fact is that this is not at all beneficial to the upper echelons of power and all the same oligarchs, for the reasons of the previously mentioned limited bucket. If everyone starts drinking freely, what will remain for officials and oligarchs? And influencing the satiated is much more difficult than the thirsty and hungry. So I guess the authors missed here too.
    And of course, while the Russian ruble, in its international settlements, is tied to the US dollar (a foreign bucket of water), it is simply ridiculous to talk about some kind of stability, strengthening the economy, reducing inflation and development. But who will let you untie the ruble from the US dollar today? From overseas they tied-tied, tied the ruble to the dollar, imposed their own electronic system of domestic and international payments, settlements for raw materials even within the country, are often sharpened under the dollar and only after they are converted into rubles, and here they are, they will be independent! Aren't you afraid of the children of Russian officials and oligarchs living in several countries at once? Aren't you afraid for the property of Russian officials and oligarchs outside of Russia ?! And they are afraid and therefore will never go for it. For so many years they made money, deprived all of the CIS, and then, because of some people out there who wanted to live better, they will take almost everything away from them. But isn't such a people (rabble in their understanding) imagining a lot about themselves ?!
    So, if you are offering, then let's have something real! And then they almost swung at the status of "golden Nikolaev ruble"))))
    I wish you hello! smile
    1. Snail N9
      Snail N9 16 October 2020 08: 08
      +2
      Oh, it's simple. Back in the 90s, the Russian Federation signed an agreement with the IMF and introduced the IMF-imposed rule on the Central Bank into the constitution, and assumed the rule of a "developing country of the 3rd world". They don't like to remember this, because it somehow does not fit with the slogan circulating in all the media about Russia as a "superpower" "rising from its knees." According to the agreement with the IMF, the Central Bank of the Russian Federation is strictly obliged to adhere to the "budget rule" (what is this, who does not know, read in Wicca). The "digital ruble" will not obey such a rule, that is, it can be imitated as much as needed. That's all. And yes - it has a special marking and will be instantly tracked at any movement, hence its second convenience is absolute tracking in "online" .. yes
  11. Kushka
    Kushka 15 October 2020 23: 34
    +1
    In bent! Where is MONEY, and where is TRUST?
    ANSWER: where there is money, there is no place for trust.
    Any cashier will tell you this.
    Anecdote: In prison. What are you for? And no way!
    I was printing money for myself! How did I know that the Central Bank
    printed the same!
  12. Lebed
    Lebed 16 October 2020 10: 40
    15
    our neighbors and partners still do not believe in the true independence and independence of the Bank of Russia

    People don't believe either
  13. Varyag71
    Varyag71 16 October 2020 14: 00
    0
    Whoever heads up invests in crypto
  14. evgen1221
    evgen1221 16 October 2020 17: 38
    +1
    Do Russians say they refuse bitcoins? -Yes, nifiga like that! With a jam in the country, you can get a wallet for an average statistical user. And if you sit for a couple of evenings behind YouTube, everything is easy and fast. That's just getting them financially on your own computer is already overwhelming, that's why the influx of owners has stabilized. On the even the digital log is not a fact that without compulsory compulsory receipt someone will need it because there is a huge amount of digital currency in the world and from this sea only 1-2% are in demand and are worth something, the rest are just extras. And a third-year student who loves to sit for a pc to write down his cryptocurrency is not a problem - a question of promotion to the masses.
  15. CBR600
    CBR600 20 October 2020 15: 25
    0
    Quote: Snail N9
    Oh, it's simple. Back in the 90s, the Russian Federation signed an agreement with the IMF and introduced the IMF-imposed rule on the Central Bank into the constitution, and assumed the rule of a "developing country of the 3rd world". They don't like to remember this, because it somehow does not fit with the slogan circulating in all the media about Russia as a "superpower" "rising from its knees." According to the agreement with the IMF, the Central Bank of the Russian Federation is strictly obliged to adhere to the "budget rule" (what is this, who does not know, read in Wicca). The "digital ruble" will not obey such a rule, that is, it can be imitated as much as needed. That's all. And yes - it has a special marking and will be instantly tracked at any movement, hence its second convenience is absolute tracking in "online" .. yes

    ... The best answer. You don't even need to read the article.
  16. Gunther
    Gunther 22 October 2020 18: 05
    0
    I now feel great with cash and I don’t need a "digital grub".
    Timely article.