"Correct map": the border of Georgia and Azerbaijan will be determined by the American military map

Clarification of the disputed section of the border between Georgia and Azerbaijan in the area of ​​the David-Gareji monastery complex will be made according to the "correct" American military map of the times of the USSR, and not according to the "wrong" Russian one. "Vzglyad" reports this with reference to its own correspondent in Tbilisi.

A Soviet-era American military map found in the archives and bought out by Georgian businessman David Khidasheli will be used to clarify the border between Georgia and Azerbaijan in the area of ​​the disputed David-Gareji monastery complex. At the same time, the businessman denied accusations that this was a map, allegedly specially made and planted by Russia in order to embroil Georgia and Azerbaijan.

Found one published by the US Army, released during the USSR

- he told the TV company "Rustavi-2".

Earlier, a scandal erupted in Georgia over a section of the Georgian-Azerbaijani border. As reported, when determining the border, allegedly Russian "incorrect" topographic maps were used, and the state border was determined according to Russian data, and not according to Georgian data. Thus, a territory of several tens of square kilometers, along with three ancient Georgian monasteries, went to Azerbaijan.

At the same time, supporters of former Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili stated that these topographic maps were allegedly planted in the Georgian-Azerbaijani commission with the help of a "secret officer of Russian intelligence."

Well, now the border between Georgia and Azerbaijan will be defined correctly, because the map on which the demarcation and delimitation of the border will be carried out is not Russian, but American.

Comments

[Operator]

Russian undercover agent David Khidasheli - Krasava

[genisis]

Yes, I feel, his surname will be David Khidashelyan

[nnm]

And I have one more question - is Azerbaijan aware of the idea of ​​reworking the state border line? Or will it be a "pleasant" surprise for him? I thought that there was a demarcation agreement between them for a long time.

[icant007]

And I have one more question - is Azerbaijan aware of the idea of ​​reworking the state border line?

There is such material, if interested.
https://www.fondsk.ru/news/2020/10/02/esche-odin-konflikt-na-kavkaze-mezhdu-tbilisi-i-baku-51968.html

[Insurgent]

"Correct map": the border of Georgia and Azerbaijan will be determined by the American military map

About maps of the area (and political), as well as the system of disinformation in the context of the war in the NKR.

Contrary to the statements of Azerbaijan, Np. Hadrut is still formally under Armenian control. Although the Azerbaijanis occupied the heights adjacent to it from the south and southwest.

Azerbaijan has not yet provided a video from Hadrut himself, although 5 days have passed since Hadrut was allegedly busy.

Videos from Tagasher are persistently trying to pass off as Hadrut (an element of propaganda and information war).


The cards themselves:

And a photo of the house in Tagasher, over which the Azerbaijani flag was hoisted.

[Viktor.N.Aleksandrov.]

I watched the video. I was in Hadrut 30 years ago, everything could have changed there, in any case I did not see anything familiar. But if the dominant heights around him are occupied by Azerbaijanis, he is kaput. Everything is there in full view. Sorry for the hospitable and friendly people living there.

[nnm]

Thanks. it turns out that no one will give anything to Georgia and this is all just pre-election dances.

[Alex777]

There is no doubt that Azerbaijan will not give anything away.
They declared long ago that this is an Azerbaijani monastery.
And once again they will be angry at American cards.

[venik]

Quote: nnm

I thought that there was a demarcation agreement between them for a long time.

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Even if there is? What is the meaning of this? After all, there was NO "American" card! Now the "surprise" will come with "Peredemarcation ".... Here Aliev will be" delighted "! Also from the "brotherly" Georgians "present"!

[ZEMCH]

Quote: nnm

And I have one more question - is Azerbaijan aware of the idea of ​​reworking the state border line? Or will it be a "pleasant" surprise for him? I thought that there was a demarcation agreement between them for a long time.

This is later, when they agree on peace with Armenia, so that they remember whose cards are the most correct)) And who knows the correct borders for today.
Then, when the demarcation is finished and suddenly Georgia wants to change the "course", there will be an Azerbaijani businessman with a more correct map from the Americans))) And so on in a circle

[Observer2014]

Damn what a bow on the side!!!. And this is the conclusion after I first read the article

[Lionnvrsk]

The wrong bees making the wrong honey! I wonder if the Israelis have such a card, maybe it is more kosher than the American one?

[orionvitt]

After the collapse of the Union, when the Americans got access to the Soviet military topographic and comparing them with their own, they were a little nuts. And they recognized that Soviet military topographers are the best in the world. But when politics and the opportunity to quarrel someone else intervene in the matter, then, as they say, "will we divide in my opinion, or in fairness?" So, some look at the American ones, others at the Soviet ones, and each one chooses his own political deal.

[icant007]

Quote: Observer2014

Damn what a bow on the side !!!. And this is the conclusion after I first read the article

I strongly agree)))
Reinterpreting, great knowledge multiplies sorrow)

[svp67]

A Soviet-era American military map found in the archives and bought out by Georgian businessman David Khidasheli will be used to clarify the border between Georgia and Azerbaijan in the area of ​​the disputed David-Gareji monastery complex.

What a difficult path it has gone through ... but I think that the Azerbaijani side will find another "more correct" American map.
The main thing is who will be invited to mediate, and then Turkey may appear, she is now "running the show" so much that ...

August 12 is a very special date for the population of Georgia. Dalma News reminds to a significant date that on this day in 1121, an outstanding Georgian politician King David IV, nicknamed by the people Agmashenebeli (Builder), defeated the army of the Seljuk Turks many times superior to him in the Battle of Didgori. This battle was fateful in the history of the Georgian people, like the Kulikovo or Borodino battles in the history of the Russian, and Trafalgar in the history of the English people.
It was also quite natural that earlier one of the representatives of the ruling Georgian Dream party, Nukri Kantaria, introduced a bill to parliament that provided for changes in the Labor Code in order to establish another public holiday - Victory Day in the Battle of Didgori (Didgoroba).

It was also quite natural that the Georgian parliament voted for this in the first reading, but then it became completely unnatural that this issue was suddenly "closed". The reason for such an incomprehensible decision became clear very quickly. The fact is that the former Turkish Ambassador to Georgia sharply criticized this decision. All this was stated in the diplomatic package, and the text said:

"The Turkish embassy asked in a friendly way not to accept the bill in its current form."
The embassy explained that this is the day of the defeat of the Turks and the decision of the Georgian side to celebrate it could cause trouble in bilateral relations.

[Egoza]

on this day in 1121, the outstanding Georgian politician King David IV, nicknamed by the people Agmashenebeli (Builder), defeated the Seljuk Turks, which were many times superior to him, in the Battle of Didgor.

So it was in 1121! And in 2020 it turns out that the Turks won!

[Reptiloid]

Nothing, nothing! And the cards will be redrawn and the history will be rewritten. Each in their favor. And then what?

Quote: Egoza

on this day in 1121, the outstanding Georgian politician King David IV, nicknamed by the people Agmashenebeli (Builder), defeated the Seljuk Turks, which were many times superior to him, in the Battle of Didgor.

So it was in 1121! And in 2020 it turns out that the Turks won!

[Walking]

New hot spot?

[Orange bigg]

New Karabakh. Georgia will be next after Armenia. In vain the Georgians refused to let their weapons into Armenia, it will come back to haunt them. And naturally Azerbaijan will not recognize American cards that are not profitable for itself. It has power, and what is behind Georgia? Like children, right. wrong map. Who wants to understand this at all? They will say go out and that's it.

[Herman 4223]

Americans will give them newer cards

[Orange bigg]

Interestingly, the Georgians will find Georgia on these maps? They will slip another map without Georgia.

[Herman 4223]

With Georgia, but some three traditional Azerbaijani mosques will end up in Georgia.

[Orange bigg]

Quote: Herman 4223

With Georgia, but some three traditional Azerbaijani mosques will end up in Georgia.

Do you yourself believe that? Learn history. What was, will be. Georgia has always fought off the Turks and Persians.

[Herman 4223]

I know that. It's just that they have not arranged a showdown among themselves for a long time, the Americans can help. Plus one hot spot on our border, minus a little Soviet population that has the potential for recovery. It's a sin not to take advantage of this.

[Orange bigg]

It's just that they have not arranged a showdown among themselves for a long time, the Americans can help.

The Americans can only help Israel. The Israelis seem to have reached an agreement with the Arabs. But the problem for them is the ambitious rapidly developing Iran and Turkey. They must suffer the fate of Libya and Iraq. No one needs strong and dangerous competitors. Moreover, the United States is due to problems inside. countries will gradually withdraw from business in the Middle East. Again, China is on its heels. Israel will have to decide everything. But there is no power to deal directly with Iran. And then it is just right to play Iran with Turkey on the Azerbaijani issue in Iran itself, which will become a consequence of the Karabakh war. Turkey in the dark is used as a consumable in the war with Iran. Turkey and Iran will be destroyed in one. That is why Israel carries so many weapons to Azerbaijan. He kindles the fire of war in his own interests and feeds someone's unhealthy ambitions.

minus the small population of the USSR which has the potential for recovery.

Only modern Russia has the potential for recovery; the rest should be forgotten.

[Herman 4223]

Turkey now climbs everywhere, and if the United States wants it, it can bleed without Iran.
But this does not happen, so it is beneficial to them. Turkey failed to be dragged into a war against Iraq, and it will be even more difficult against Iran.
The restoration of Russia within the borders of the USSR is quite possible for itself, and I think that it will certainly be. There are reasons for this:
The borders of the USSR have international recognition, there is a treaty on the inviolability of borders. And there is the fact that the dissolution of the USSR was made illegally, and this fact can be canceled legally. I am not saying that it will be so, but if Russia begins to recover and gain strength, then this fact will surely emerge.

[ZEMCH]

Quote: OrangeBigg

Do you yourself believe in it? Learn history. What was, will be. Georgia has always fought off the Turks and Persians.

And why did they ask to go to the Russian Empire?
Eastern Georgia was under the Persians, and the west was under the Turks, from where, in your opinion, Muslims in Abkhazia and Adjara

[MKPU-115]

Quote: OrangeBigg

Power is behind him, and what is behind Georgia?

Omeriga !!!

[Orange bigg]

Your Omeriga handed over to the Georgians of Turkey.

[MKPU-115]

Quote: OrangeBigg

Your Omeriga handed over to the Georgians of Turkey.

My?

[Orange bigg]

This is not the point. Not yours, so not yours. But the fact is that the Georgians are subordinate to the Turks, albeit not so clearly.

[Uncle lee]

on the "correct" American military map

The villain Negoro pulled the ax out from under the chronometer, barometer and compass ... And everything will come together, chick in chick!

[Reptiloid]

Quote: Uncle Lee

on the "correct" American military map

The villain Negoro pulled the ax out from under the chronometer, barometer and compass ... And everything will come together, chick in chick!

Perhaps the staff will draw an individual correct map for each,
greetings Vladimir Vladimirovich

[Uncle lee]

Quote: Reptiloid

draw an individual correct map,

Where are the five aces in the deck!
Dima Hello !

[Reptiloid]

Without the advice and guidance of the Americans, they do nothing now.

[paul3390]

What's not in Papua New Guinea? There they also print some kind of maps .. And in general - if it were not for the sworn Muscovites, there would be no Georgia at all .. In the best case - separately Kartli, Kakheti, Imereti, Svaneti .. We are all in a bunch of why- then they collected and then gave statehood .. And they are all unhappy.

[Herman 4223]

A bunch of them were gathered by a German landing force who landed in the Transcaucasus in 1918. And so the territory of Georgia before that is Tbilisi and about 100 km around.

[Reviews]

Quote: paul3390

What's not in Papua New Guinea? They also print some cards there ..

They don't print there. Until the beginning of the XNUMXth century there were such cards ...

[paul3390]

It seems to me - it is quite suitable for Georgians. Is it all the same on which card to justify your claims?

[Reviews]

Quote: paul3390

It seems to me - it is quite suitable for Georgians. Is it all the same on which card to justify your claims?

I agree.

[Reviews]

discovered in the archives and redeemed

Fuck. And what did not suit a bunch of publicly available maps, including US ones? Especially touched:

American military map of the times of the USSR

What were the internal Soviet borders to the military topographers of that time?

[Same lech]

That is why Georgians cannot turn on their brains ... Turkey and Erdogan are behind Azerbadzhan's back and if he can correct the territory of Adjara a little in his favor ... why Georgia is trying to get in trouble again ... then they complain about their stupidity.

[Orange bigg]

Are you suggesting that the Georgians sit quietly and silently drain their lands to Azerbaijan, following the example of the same Adjara? So soon the whole of Georgia will turn into Adjara, if you sit and keep silent, do not defend your interests. Although the conflict is of course brewing. Azerbaijan believed in itself and rushes on all fronts.

[Same lech]

Do you offer Georgians to sit quietly and silently drain their lands to Azerbaijan, following the example of Adjara?

It is up to the Georgians to decide ... or they serve the interests of the United States and they inevitably enter Turkey's zone of influence, or they nevertheless establish friendly relations with Russia ... it is up to them to decide.

[Orange bigg]

Is it up to the Georgians to decide? Does the current Georgia still belong to the Georgians? Saakashvili sold everything he could and to whom he could. Americans, Turkey, Arabs and even Persians. For Georgians everything has been decided for a long time.

[Stavros]

You are more careful there, otherwise the valiant Cavtatar marshals will call you an Armenian who sows confusion in the Turkish-Georgian-Cavtatar brotherhood.)
By the way, if you listen to these marshals, then Tbilisi is a Drefnian Cavtatar city)

[Orange bigg]

Let them call it whatever they want.

By the way, if you listen to these marshals, then Tbilisi is a Drefnian Cavtatar city)

What's more, they want to chop off half of Iran. I'm not even talking about Erdogan's art, where the new Ottomans claim half the world. But here the main thing is to call quality doctors in time to cure the nonsense.

[MKPU-115]

Quote: OrangeBigg

Azerbaijan believed in itself and rushing on all fronts

"The main thing is that the will, grit, was to victory!"

[MKPU-115]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

why is Georgia on a rampage again ... they will again get into another adventure

Duck Uncle Sam said he would help, just start

[Orange bigg]

Duck uncle sam

It's not written in Russian. So Uncle Sam. Otherwise they will think you are writing about Uncle Duck. Do not consider it an insult. Just corrected.

[Alien From]

It seems that the brain has completely failed in former compatriots.

[dzvero]

I'm afraid to ask if Azerbaijan is present on that map of Georgia? Otherwise they can swing at half of New York ...

[sleeve]

Hmm. I'm sure there is a "correct" gender map. No matter how the population had to be "adjusted" to it. Oh, from the evil one, these "bumazeyki".

[Herman 4223]

So, out of the blue, a new conflict begins in the Transcaucasus.

[set of sets]

They lived for 30 years. And here, on you, there are no boundaries. It was not without the State Department. They do not care who and with whom to play off.

[MKPU-115]

Quote: set of sets

They do not care who and with whom to play off.

Well, don't tell me, everything is planned and the State Department clearly adheres to the plans: Sprat tigers, Outskirts, Poland - Belarus, Azerbaijan, Armenia with NK, Kyrgyzstan, Georgia ...

[Crest]

Well, if they will divide according to the US map ... Then soon Karabakh will be formed again!
After all, they have it as "Divide and Conquer" .. Then again Russia will be to blame

[Romanenko]

American maps, of course, are a whole layer of human history, initially, according to American maps, the lands of the indigenous population of the continent suddenly turned into reservations, then there was a clarification of the border between the then young USA and Mexico, as a result of which half of Mexico suddenly ended up on the territory of the states, later, Russian Hawaii imperceptibly crawled from one map to another, California, and in the recent past, it turned out that the national (also an interesting term in relation to the United States) interests of the super-spy extend everywhere.
The funny thing in this scenario is that one of the countries is a neocolony of the United States, and the second, flirting with Turkey on the topic of Islamic brotherhood, also fell into a kind of serious dependence on the same America, albeit indirectly.
So what, in this scenario, do the states want from Azerbaijan?
Of course, no one asks Georgia about anything, they were told what to do and they were given a map, and then, as they say, maul halten, und veiter dienen (to continue serving and not chatting), but knowing Azerbaijan's increased scrupulousness in land issues, and this is being demonstrated right now in full in Karabakh, such land management will not end well with anything, and in any case.
If, according to the Russian map, the land is left to Azerbaijan, on command from the mother country, Georgia (Georgia-2), abundantly supplied with American weapons, in the opposite scenario Azerbaijan will be very tense and willy-nilly will turn to Turkey and Russia for help.
Now the preparations for WW-III are already evident, of course, they will not allow a big war, and the same states are thieves or there, the third turn, when a lot of blood is shed, but they will achieve their bonuses for diverting Russia's resources for reconciliation, and these are bonuses in global politics, as they say, a chicken by the grain is the whole yard in shit.
But the most offensive thing at the same time is that when a state that has completely lost all the framework of decency openly climbs to rebuild other people's borders, all world organizations designed to monitor peace and tranquility sit quietly and evenly on the sidelines, closing their mouths, eyes and ears.

[Petrograd]

How dashing the states will now cut the borders

[Pshelts]

Quote: Petrograd

How dashing the states will now cut the borders

Yes, Alexander! .. Eh Georgians, again you will be framed with these amerskiye kartami. Not enough for you zvizdyule 08.08.08 Would you like more?

[iouris]

Does Russia have a common border with Georgia? That's what it is!

[ZEMCH]

Quote: iouris

Does Russia have a common border with Georgia? That's what it is!

I think we will draw the common border of Russia and Georgia using our maps, I think they know that there are the most correct Russian maps)))

[Victorm]

Quote: OrangeBigg

Let them call it whatever they want.

By the way, if you listen to these marshals, then Tbilisi is a Drefnian Cavtatar city)

What's more, they want to chop off half of Iran.

So the "half of Iran", or rather much smaller, is South Azerbaijan. More Azerbaijanis live on the territory of the southern part of Azerbaijan in Iran than in the independent northern part - the Republic of Azerbaijan, Russia, Georgia and Turkey combined.

After the wars at the beginning of the 19th century, Russia conquered the northern territories from the Azerbaijani State of Qajars, part of which is the modern Azerbaijan Republic, partly a state called Armenia was formed, part of the territories is part of modern Georgia, plus Derbent is part of Russia.

So you can flash on which resource and write that the Azerbaijanis have HUGE ambitions and in the end everything will come to another war between Russia and Azerbaijan and before that Armenia will cease to exist and the long-suffering Armenian people will flood Adler, Sochi and further along the points where churchkhela and corn go briskly in the season Georgians will live as it should be on the territory of the Kingdom of Colchis.


But seriously, the article, like the news, is another rubbish. Because modern Georgia was formed as a result of the collapse of the USSR and the borders between states are the borders of the Soviet, socialist republics at the time of the collapse of the USSR. Dot.
Cartography in the USSR is one of the best in the world.

[APASUS]

Another reason for a military operation.
I see the Americans began to act much more carefully, more competently and thoughtfully, although the hand of the Americans just sticks out of this statement. A very interesting fact, such as the legal recognition by Georgia and Azerbaijan of topographic maps published in the USA, and even found (or bought out by a businessman). And there are also maps of NATO, England .................. ....

[fa2998]

Quote: nnm

And I have one more question - is Azerbaijan aware of the idea of ​​reworking the state border line? Or will it be a "pleasant" surprise for him? I thought that there was a demarcation agreement between them for a long time.

I think the "correct" map will be for Georgia, but for Azerbaijan it is not at all correct. Give a few tens of square kilometers, and even Turkey supports it.

[cniza]

Well, now the border between Georgia and Azerbaijan will be defined correctly, because the map on which the demarcation and delimitation of the border will be carried out is not Russian, but American.

There is no dignity left at all, in the frame and pray for it ...

[Pshelts]

Quote: cniza

There is no dignity left at all, in the frame and pray for it ...

Dignity is now not in the price of the former "brothers" ...

[cniza]

They sell everything they buy ...

[Vasyan1971]

Well, now the border between Georgia and Azerbaijan will be defined correctly, because the map on which the demarcation and delimitation of the border will be carried out is not Russian, but American.

And miraculously it will turn out that Azerbaijan owes Georgia in addition to the "wrong" remarks.

[Vladimir61]

The United States threw another joker into the confrontation in the South Caucasus.

[iouris]

By the way, did Azerbaijan receive territorial acquisitions from the United States, or Georgia?

[Comrade Kim]

Quote: Reptiloid

Nothing, nothing! And the cards will be redrawn and the history will be rewritten. Each in their favor. And then what?

Then they will serve the American master.
Stubbornly and resignedly.
And rich Americans will fly in and look at them like conquered savages.