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"They are using old weapons": Azerbaijan reported on the destruction of the KS-19 anti-aircraft gun of the enemy troops

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With reference to the military, Azerbaijani media provide a summary of the battles in Nagorno-Karabakh over the past night. The reports of the Azerbaijani side say that the most active hostilities were conducted in the Aghdar-Agdam and Fizuli-Hadrut-Jebrail directions.


The report, referring to the Azerbaijani military department, says that several armored vehicles and two D-30 howitzers of the enemy troops were destroyed by the attacks of the Azerbaijani troops.

The material contains information that the Azerbaijani side managed to disable five tanks T-72, three Grad MLRS, one Osa-AKM anti-aircraft missile system, also destroy the KS-19 anti-aircraft gun and the machine-gun nest.

"They are using old weapons": Azerbaijan reported on the destruction of the KS-19 anti-aircraft gun of the enemy troops


The Azerbaijani side notes that the troops of the unrecognized Nagorno-Karabakh Republic are using very old weapons, including the named KS-19. This is a 100 mm anti-aircraft gun developed in the USSR in 1947. At the same time, there was no information earlier that the KS-19 was in service with the Armenian troops. But in the Armed Forces of Azerbaijan, KS-19 was in service (at least until 2017). Experts believe that the 100-mm anti-aircraft gun, damaged as a result of a night strike, could have been a trophy of the NKR army, obtained in previous hostilities.

However, there are frames on the network where you can see the presence of such weapons from the Armenian troops (2017 video):


Against the background of hostilities, which Azerbaijan and Armenia themselves are reporting, the reports contain statements about "observance of a humanitarian truce."
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  1. Pereira
    Pereira 14 October 2020 08: 34
    18
    What remains is what they fight.
    Soros' transatlantic convoys are late due to autumn storms.
    There is no choice.
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 14 October 2020 08: 40
      -4
      Quote: Pereira
      Soros' transatlantic convoys are late due to autumn storms.

      Question - Does Russia intend at a certain moment to wrest the "wheel" from Soros and take control?
      Or will Armenia continue to be allowed to hang out, like something in an ice hole, between the influence of the United States and Russia?
      1. Pereira
        Pereira 14 October 2020 08: 45
        20
        Does Russia intend at a certain moment to wrest the "wheel" from Soros and take control?

        I mean, to sacrifice Pashinyan and put your own man in prison without waiting for the Armenians to do it themselves? I doubt it.
        But if I were a sultan, then as the first step in this direction, I would begin to check the correctness of obtaining Russian citizenship by the Armenians since 1991 with subsequent expulsion to their homeland.
        1. paul3390
          paul3390 14 October 2020 08: 48
          18
          And I would not limit myself only to the Armenians .. And I would conduct a total check.
        2. Victorio
          Victorio 14 October 2020 09: 27
          +2
          Quote: Pereira
          obtaining Russian citizenship Armenians since 1991 with the subsequent expulsion to the homeland.

          ===
          and the Russians who issued them passports, where should they be sent? or those of our "citizens" who, in pursuit of money, use labor, often illegal, migrants, our neighbors and former fellow citizens, without providing the latter with a decent salary or conditions?
          for comparison. The employer in Norway was fined 100 thousand euros after being checked by the labor commission (somehow they call it there) for the fact that one person more lived in the trailer than according to the norms.
          1. Pereira
            Pereira 14 October 2020 09: 36
            +8
            Transfer the passport officers to another job - melting the permafrost.
            For the slave-owning capitalists, the story is somewhat different. It so happened that I know something about it. The reality is somewhat different from the horror stories in the press. But this will be too long a story.
            1. Victorio
              Victorio 14 October 2020 09: 41
              -1
              Quote: Pereira
              It so happened that I know something about it. The reality is somewhat different from the horror stories in the press. But this will be too long a story.

              ===
              yah!? bestial conditions of work and life - these are horror stories? and in return, marriage and persistent hostility to Russia. if only all this was directed against specific capitalists and at their expense.
              1. Pereira
                Pereira 14 October 2020 09: 43
                +3
                Yes, life is such a multifaceted one. To smear everything with one paint is wrong.
                And the problems of Uzbeks with Tajiks have nothing to do with the Caucasian war. This is a different story.
                1. Victorio
                  Victorio 14 October 2020 09: 45
                  +2
                  Quote: Pereira
                  It's a different story

                  ===
                  it is clear to wait with the expulsion of Tajik-Uzbeks before their joint military conflict
                  1. Pereira
                    Pereira 14 October 2020 09: 48
                    +1
                    As an option. I heard that things are not going smoothly there either.
              2. paul3390
                paul3390 14 October 2020 12: 54
                +7
                It seems that migrants are forcibly brought here, like blacks from Angola at one time .. Yes, you can drive them away from Russia with a shovel! For they immediately and valiantly squandered their part of the Soviet legacy. And now they have come for ours.
                1. Victorio
                  Victorio 15 October 2020 08: 46
                  0
                  Quote: paul3390
                  It feels like that migrants are forcibly brought here, like blacks from Angola at one time.... Yes, you can drive them away with a shovel from Russia! For they immediately and valiantly squandered their part of the Soviet legacy. And now they have come for ours.

                  ===
                  there is demand, there will be an application. with questions about the "need" of migrant workers to the "effective" capitalists and managers of Russia.
          2. MKPU-115
            MKPU-115 14 October 2020 09: 59
            +4
            Quote: Victorio
            and the Russians who issued them passports, where should they be sent?

            Do you know the type? But grandfather Stalin .....
            Wind mist broke
            The sun through the slits of the clouds
            Hello my Magadan
            Hello spring ray
            winked
            1. Victorio
              Victorio 14 October 2020 10: 03
              -3
              Quote: MKPU-115
              Quote: Victorio
              and the Russians who issued them passports, where should they be sent?

              Do you know the type? But grandfather Stalin .....
              Wind mist broke
              The sun through the slits of the clouds
              Hello my Magadan
              Hello spring ray
              winked

              ===
              if the population of the country was about 300-350 millions, it would be possible to exile, because nowadays, such as "everything and for money", millions
              1. MKPU-115
                MKPU-115 14 October 2020 10: 09
                +2
                Quote: Victorio
                Quote: MKPU-115
                Quote: Victorio
                and the Russians who issued them passports, where should they be sent?

                Do you know the type? But grandfather Stalin .....
                Wind mist broke
                The sun through the slits of the clouds
                Hello my Magadan
                Hello spring ray
                winked

                ===
                if the population of the country was about 300-350 millions, it would be possible to exile, because nowadays, such as "everything and for money", millions

                Nobody is going to shoot them, and the population density is lower there.
                And order must be established in the country.
            2. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 14 October 2020 10: 04
              +4
              Quote: MKPU-115
              Hello my Magadan

              Is it bad there, eh? My uncle from Magadan moved to Stavropol. He lived there for a couple of years, and back to Magadan he drove off.
              1. MKPU-115
                MKPU-115 14 October 2020 10: 11
                0
                Here I am about the same good
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 14 October 2020 10: 14
                  +1
                  Quote: MKPU-115
                  Here I am about the same

                  Only he, as a result of all these moves, lost the house, and a two-room apartment became a three-ruble apartment.
                  1. MKPU-115
                    MKPU-115 14 October 2020 10: 29
                    0
                    Quote: mordvin xnumx
                    Quote: MKPU-115
                    Here I am about the same

                    Only he, as a result of all these moves, lost the house, and a two-room apartment became a three-ruble apartment.

                    And 1 day a year, it's summer.
                    1. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 14 October 2020 10: 34
                      +3
                      My aunt messed up his head. Move, like, closer to the sea. Moved. He lived there for a couple of years, and pulled back. Better in Magadan than in Stavropol, there are Ukrainians everywhere.
          3. blackice
            blackice 14 October 2020 10: 02
            +3
            As a rule, Armenians work for Russian Armenians.
            Believe me, I know.
            And by the nature of the service in the Ministry of Internal Affairs, I previously saw how 40 fellow-gaster countrymen are prescribed for odnushka, for their subsequent use for their own purposes.
            As for the rest of the "offended and deprived", it would be bad, they would stay at home.
          4. halpat
            halpat 14 October 2020 10: 26
            +3
            ... the Russians who issued them passports, where should they be sent? or those of our "citizens" who, in pursuit of money, use labor, often illegal, migrants, our neighbors and former fellow citizens, without providing the latter with a decent salary or conditions?

            we know where - to the Kolyma ... sorry, to the construction sites of the national economy.
            1. paul3390
              paul3390 14 October 2020 12: 57
              +1
              You can start digging for example the Baltic-Pacific Canal. Or to pour the coastal rampart on all landing areas along the shores of the seas ..
        3. g1v2
          g1v2 14 October 2020 10: 24
          +3
          And at the same time do you also need ethnic Armenians? Lavrova, Mishustina, Simonyan and so on? Who's next? Are you sure that you yourself will not be among those whom they want to expel? belay
          On the contrary, our population is small. And beyond the Urals, where three quarters of our territory, only a quarter of the population lives. Armenians are perfectly assimilated in our society, and in the vastness of the Far East there is a place for 100 thousand Armenians of Karabakh. A couple of generations will pass and that they will only remind Armenians of surnames and that is not a fact. Lavrov, Mishustin or Petrosyan are examples of this.
          1. Victorio
            Victorio 14 October 2020 10: 41
            +1
            Quote: g1v2
            Armenians are excellent assimilate in our society,

            ===
            this is not necessary at all. there is enough mutual respect, both from a local and a visitor.
          2. paul3390
            paul3390 14 October 2020 13: 01
            +1
            Our population is of course not enough, but enough for us. It's just that a bunch of men suffer from all sorts of crap across the vast expanses of the Motherland. Sitting as guards, managers, salesmen, etc. .. That is, they do not work. They are trying to replace them with migrants for some reason. And all because of the wild salary imbalance in the current Russian Federation. When a man of labor receives, by definition, less than sitting in a warm office and not doing a damn thing. Here is the Soviet government - it clearly understood, paying hard workers significantly more. For for a pittance in the cold, you can really find those who want to work hard. But we have the same type of market and capitalism, it is the type that will put everything in its place. Yeah, schaz ..
          3. halpat
            halpat 14 October 2020 18: 07
            0
            everyone you listed are Russians a long time ago :))
            Petrosyan, of course, can be sent to Yerevan, I do not mind, but only for the creative enhancement of the "Armenian radio", which has become insane in recent years :)) I am sure that he will give a new creative message there.
          4. Megatron
            Megatron 15 October 2020 05: 33
            0
            Lavrov, Mishustin, Petrosyan, Simonyan, I don't even know which one is worse.
            Petrosyan is the most harmless. There is no need to breed this tolerastic trash with migrants.
        4. Lesorub
          Lesorub 14 October 2020 12: 25
          +2
          Quote: Pereira
          But if I were a sultan, then as the first step in this direction, I would begin to check the correctness of obtaining Russian citizenship by the Armenians since 1991 with subsequent expulsion to their homeland.

          Until then, these are just the right dreams !!
          And I would not limit myself only to the Armenians .. And I would conduct a total check.

          A couple of laws on migrants need to be adopted by Israel.
          1. paul3390
            paul3390 14 October 2020 13: 07
            +1
            You don't have to invent anything. For a start - to pass the law on indigenous nationalities. These are those whose historical homeland is part of the Russian Federation and who have no other state. And the rest - to cancel the issuance of citizenship from 1991. Those who were not indigenous, but who lived in the RSFSR before that time, also issue passports. For the USSR approached the migration policy by orders of magnitude more responsible, and once it was allowed to move to Russia, it means a really valuable frame. Those who remain - at best, a temporary residence permit, and so - welcome to their historical homeland. Raise the national economy there, and somehow we will manage without you .. In the future - to grant citizenship only by a personal decree of the president for special services to Russia or especially scarce and necessary specialists ..
        5. yehat2
          yehat2 14 October 2020 16: 09
          0
          is this the most important thing?
      2. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 14 October 2020 09: 14
        +5
        Quote: Insurgent
        Does Russia intend at a certain moment to wrest the "wheel" from Soros and take control?

        Do you need it? So in the 90s they were secretly supplied with planes. May be enough?
      3. Lesorub
        Lesorub 14 October 2020 12: 18
        +2
        Quote: Insurgent
        Question - Does Russia intend at a certain moment to wrest the "wheel" from Soros and take control?

        The tsar has long been not interested in the "periphery" of the former empire - and the policy of "softness" will be pursued in relation to the former republics - who prevented before influencing - "making friends" with them - but there is no empty space - came the proteges of the striped and "European integrators" - the forecast of these acts is not entirely rosy - at least negatively minded neighbors, as a maximum of NATO bases near the borders!
  2. NDR-791
    NDR-791 14 October 2020 08: 38
    +3
    It is reliably known about the use of anti-aircraft guns in WWII in anti-tank fighter units. The calculations were not even taught to shoot at air targets. And this was not the 41st year, but near Kursk. Maybe this gun was used as an anti-tank one. Although at its speed it will not seem like a little fragmentation at the UAV either. There are many problems only with guidance.
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 14 October 2020 08: 47
      +6
      So the Wehrmacht up to 43rd used its 88-mm anti-aircraft gun mainly against tanks.
      1. NDR-791
        NDR-791 14 October 2020 08: 49
        +3
        I'm not talking about the Germans, I'm talking about ours. The fact that the Germans are on KV and 34 has long been known. But they used full-fledged anti-aircraft gunners.
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 14 October 2020 08: 50
          +1
          I understood you drinks He wrote that not only ours used anti-aircraft, initially, artillery
    2. Catfish
      Catfish 14 October 2020 09: 29
      +8
      The most terrible and effective anti-tank weapon of the Second World War was recognized as the German 88 mm. anti-aircraft gun Rak 43/41 1:35 Trumpeter. And what prevents the use of a similar weapon in the same capacity now?
      1. Pereira
        Pereira 14 October 2020 09: 40
        +3
        This terrible weapon also had a side effect - unreasonably large losses due to high visibility and low mobility. It's just that it's somehow not customary to talk about it.
        It will get worse now.
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 14 October 2020 10: 47
          +3
          It will get worse now.

          Certainly there is no doubt about that.
      2. Alex Justice
        Alex Justice 14 October 2020 10: 05
        +1
        Without this gun, the war would have ended a year earlier.
    3. venik
      venik 14 October 2020 10: 44
      0
      Quote: NDR-791
      The calculations were not even taught to shoot at air targets.

      ========
      Well, this, sorry, of course, looks more like nonsense! But the fact that anti-aircraft artillery was thrown at Stalingrad to stop the tanks is a fact! By the way, this is how Dolores Ibaruri's son, Jose (the commander of the anti-aircraft battery), died. Near Kursk, such cases also happened, but mostly anti-aircraft gunners entered the battle when the enemy broke through to the objects covered behind. About one such case, our neighbor (the long-deceased Major General tanker) told us about this. For him, then still a mechanized driver, it was the first battle (that's why he remembered it perfectly): Their tank company was thrown to intercept the German tanks, which had broken through to the village in which the division headquarters and the hospital were located, and the cover was only the ZA division! The anti-aircraft gunners "lowered their trunks" and took the fight! By the time help arrived, there was less battery left from the battalion ... But they burned the tanks - a dozen and a half "smoked", if not more!
      1. icant007
        icant007 14 October 2020 11: 22
        +2
        Quote: venik
        But the fact that anti-aircraft artillery was thrown at Stalingrad to stop the tanks is a fact!

        The use of anti-aircraft artillery against tanks during the Second World War was a common practice.
        If you look at the Heroes of the Soviet Union, anti-aircraft gunners, then basically they earned their stars not for shooting down planes, but for destroying tanks.
  3. K-50
    K-50 14 October 2020 08: 53
    +3
    I don't think the infantry will get high when a 100-mm shell explodes in the ranks, even if it is "outdated".
    if it is still programmable, then no armor will save. request
  4. Victorm
    Victorm 14 October 2020 08: 54
    -3
    Quote: Pereira
    What remains is what they fight.
    Soros' transatlantic convoys are late due to autumn storms.
    There is no choice.


    And a lot of things remained, on the same day God sent the Azerbaijanis as targets and the Tor-M2KM and ZSU-23-4 air defense systems were also destroyed.

    The Tor-M2KM air defense system was delivered to Armenia at the end of 2019, in December, that is, the freshest, newest, most modern. The local Adol'fych the little magpie happily posed against their background:

    But what kind of Tor are there, apparently even KS-19 is too much for them.
    1. Moskovit
      Moskovit 14 October 2020 09: 06
      +6
      The armament of the Armenians has long gone into negative territory. According to the press service of Azerbaijan.
    2. Pashhenko Nikolay
      Pashhenko Nikolay 14 October 2020 09: 06
      +2
      And what does Kamaz have to do with it? Torah on a tracked chassis object 355.
      1. Victorio
        Victorio 14 October 2020 09: 31
        0
        here is an article and a photo https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3881579.html
      2. Lesorub
        Lesorub 14 October 2020 12: 42
        +2
        Quote: Pashhenko Nikolay
        And what does Kamaz have to do with it? Torah on a tracked chassis object 355.

        The Armenians were delivered at the Kamaz base!
        1. Pashhenko Nikolay
          Pashhenko Nikolay 14 October 2020 13: 16
          -2
          Excuse me, but what did you see in the photo besides the KAMAZ cabins? What's behind the cabins? Where are the conclusions that these are tori?
          1. Lesorub
            Lesorub 14 October 2020 13: 29
            +4
            Quote: Pashhenko Nikolay
            Excuse me, but what did you see in the photo besides the KAMAZ cabins? What's behind the cabins? Where are the conclusions that these are tori?

            Googled a friend, you will find this information, the supply of Torov to Armenia (based on KAMAZ), and in the photo, in addition to the cabins, you can see the guidance radar - behind Pashanyan's head.
          2. venik
            venik 14 October 2020 20: 36
            0
            Quote: Pashhenko Nikolay
            Excuse me, but what did you see in the photo besides the KAMAZ cabins? What's behind the cabins? Where are the conclusions that these are tori?

            ======
            From here:

      3. venik
        venik 14 October 2020 13: 21
        +2
        Quote: Pashhenko Nikolay
        And what does Kamaz have to do with it? Torah on a tracked chassis object 355.

        ========
        It is called "I don't even believe my own eyes" (Motto of Thomas the Unbeliever).
        "Tor-M2KM" (in container version) can be put ON ANYWHERE!
        Can stand on the KamAZ chassis:


        Can stand on TATA chassis:


        Can just stand on the trailer:


        It can even stand on the deck of a ship:


        Or maybe just stand on the ground:


        PS Learn materiel! hi
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 14 October 2020 18: 38
          -1
          It is not in vain that new small missiles and radars are being created for Thors and Carapaces.
          1. venik
            venik 14 October 2020 20: 51
            0
            Quote: Vadim237
            It is not in vain that new small missiles and radars are being created for Thors and Carapaces.

            ========
            Well, for "Thors" - it seems like they have already been created, adopted and serialized 9M338:

            And for "Shell" - it seems like it is in the testing stage.

            The photo from the rehearsal for the Victory Day parade clearly shows the quad blocks of small-sized ("anti-drone"?) Missiles in the upper row of the TPK.
  5. Keyser soze
    Keyser soze 14 October 2020 08: 54
    -4
    The Aisers have not yet tried a protracted war in the mountains. They joke early. Against people who defend their homes, all drones in the world will not help them.
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 14 October 2020 09: 01
      +3
      Syrian militants in Nagorno-Karabakh began to urgently ask for home ... it became hot for them in this war ... you can't cut off a lot of heads and a bullet and a shell can be obtained faster.
      https://news.rambler.ru/conflicts/45000544-siriyskie-boeviki-vernulis-iz-karabaha-iz-za-ozhestochennosti-boev/?utm_source=head&utm_campaign=self_promo&utm_medium=news&utm_content=news
    2. Pavlos Melas
      Pavlos Melas 14 October 2020 09: 12
      +5
      Hello, it's too early for us to joke. We must conduct joint exercises yesterday drinks Familiar Bulgarians complain about Borisov's turkophilism, is this true and what can it be connected with?
      1. Keyser soze
        Keyser soze 14 October 2020 09: 18
        +9
        Familiar Bulgarians complain about Borisov's turkophilism, is this true and what can it be connected with?


        Borisov is alternatively gifted, using the euphemism that the Russians use here in order not to be banned. He's as intelligent as a tin can. In addition, the weakness of Bulgaria - the Elites are dead.

        If I were in the place of our government, I would have started training with you and the Serbs yesterday. We need to work out the interaction.
    3. venik
      venik 14 October 2020 21: 07
      0
      Quote: Keyser Soze
      The Aisers have not yet tried a protracted war in the mountains. They joke early. Against people who defend their homes, all drones in the world will not help them.

      ========
      And why did they give you "cons"? In some ways you are right! drinks

      He loaded a mountain shooter from the Artsakh Defense Army onto a horse with an 82-mm mortar .... Or he could have loaded the "Cornet" and "Iglua" ..... And no roads for you ... Trails ... And hunt a horse with unknown luggage with expensive ammunition for at least 100 at least 200 thousand bucks apiece ... Until the wallet shows the bottom ...
      1. Alena-Baku
        Alena-Baku 14 October 2020 23: 00
        +1


        It seems that this soldier was shot by an Azerbaijani drone.
        1. venik
          venik 15 October 2020 10: 47
          0
          Quote: Alena-Baku
          It seems that this soldier was shot by an Azerbaijani drone.

          ======
          Or maybe it was peaceful shepherd? request wink
  6. vch62388
    vch62388 14 October 2020 08: 55
    +3
    I remember that in the first battles in Karabakh, both sides widely used Alazan anti-hail missiles and anti-avalanche weapons. Maybe something has survived from those times? And it is not a fact that the KS-19 belongs to the army, and not to the same avalanche service.
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 14 October 2020 14: 10
      +2
      Quote: vch62388
      In the first battles in Karabakh, both sides widely used Alazan anti-hail missiles and anti-avalanche weapons. Maybe something has survived from those times?

      I think so too ! Back then, "ours" removed the bolts from the anti-avalanche service guns, but local "crazy people" in the local workshops managed to make "clones"! They even managed to knock out a helicopter with these guns! At that time, the Russian military managed to prevent one major "mess" ... In short, in those parts there was an ownerless warehouse with 130-mm anti-aircraft guns, which they had already deafly forgotten about! Roll, what could have happened then if the militants had found this warehouse then ... or someone told them ... Then the military had to hastily cut these guns to pieces with gas cutters ... (there was no way to take them out ... )
  7. Asad
    Asad 14 October 2020 09: 04
    +2
    AGDAM !! Memories of youth! Sorry for off-topic!
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 14 October 2020 09: 20
      +6
      AGDAM !! Memories of youth! Sorry for off-topic!

      I'm going to feel sick right now ... belay
      1. Asad
        Asad 14 October 2020 09: 39
        +1
        And which wine of which country did you prefer during your youth? Joke.
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 14 October 2020 09: 56
          +2
          Quote: ASAD
          And which wine of which country did you prefer during your youth?

          Fruit-beneficial .... drinks
        2. Grandfather
          Grandfather 14 October 2020 10: 20
          +1
          Quote: ASAD
          And which wine of which country did you prefer during your youth? Joke.

          by "rupee" ... yes
  8. svoit
    svoit 14 October 2020 09: 07
    +1
    Quote: NDR-791
    Maybe this gun was used as an anti-tank one.

    And in the article for some reason they wrote that it was developed only in 1947, isn't it too late to apply it in the Second World War?
    Quote: The same LYOKHA
    and a bullet and a projectile can be obtained faster.

    Isn't that why they came here? First a bullet or a projectile, and then immediately Hurias and Lafa in paradise
  9. Victorm
    Victorm 14 October 2020 09: 10
    +3
    Quote: Insurgent
    Quote: Pereira
    Soros' transatlantic convoys are late due to autumn storms.

    Question - Does Russia intend at a certain moment to wrest the "wheel" from Soros and take control?
    Or will Armenia continue to be allowed to hang out, like something in an ice hole, between the influence of the United States and Russia?

    But why?
    Here you are a man. Your logic, if you come back and see how another "reclining" on your friend, moving his thighs, another member of the group of fun is standing next to him waiting for his turn, finally they change, and at this moment you are tormented by the thought:
    - When do I take the helm, I can't allow it to dangle like something in the hole between Soros and Aliev ...

    Has Russia got married to Armenia, having given an obligation in the marriage contract not to pay attention to her group fun and spree? Does it not occur to you that Russia can simply change its policy by sending the lover of group fun to hell?
    Fantastic, but let's say, just for example, Russia signs a defense agreement with Azerbaijan ... From the south Iran, from the north Russia, and between Azerbaijan, blocking the exit to anyone to the Caspian Sea and Central Asia. And that's all ... After that, at least crack, at least a hundred Armenians and Georgians, pull in, and the corridor is closed ...
    In such a fantastic scenario, taken as an example, Armenia will only think of hosting a base of amers - Iran and Azerbaijan will crush it even without Russia. What problems?

    Any scenarios are possible, Russia does not owe and does not owe anything to Armenia, but Armenia owes its existence in general and its present existence to Russia. No one can dictate conditions to Russia, if at the moment Armenia is on a spree standing in front of the door of Russia, otherwise it is calmly watching football and drinking beer - everything is quite natural and usual. What torments you so? Base? There is South Ossetia and Abkhazia, the light has not converged on Armenia.
    1. Livonetc
      Livonetc 14 October 2020 11: 38
      0
      Russia will not abandon Armenia just because the current government is represented by creatures of easy virtue with low social responsibility.
      And in Georgia, nobody will care.
      Sooner or later they will return to their home harbor.
      Even Ukraine will grow strong.
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 14 October 2020 13: 00
        0
        Quote: Livonetc
        Sooner or later they will return to their home harbor.
        Even Ukraine will grow strong.

        Dreams ... dreams ... how sweet! And if all this turns out, in the end, "disgusting", despite your dreamy mood? It will turn out in the end ... "ugh" on your "dreams"!
  10. Victorm
    Victorm 14 October 2020 09: 12
    -3
    Quote: Pashhenko Nikolay
    And what does Kamaz have to do with it? Torah on a tracked chassis object 355.

    And before writing, I was too lazy to look what is this TOR-M2KM?
  11. Victorm
    Victorm 14 October 2020 09: 15
    -3
    Quote: vch62388
    I remember that in the first battles in Karabakh, both sides widely used Alazan anti-hail missiles and anti-avalanche weapons. Maybe something has survived from those times? And it is not a fact that the KS-19 belongs to the army, and not to the same avalanche service.

    Yes, VVs were shot from them then ... There was a magazine called "On the Combat Post", someone borrowed it from VVs, they read it all over town. Who would know what else is sensitive and will have to face it personally.
  12. Tneburashka
    Tneburashka 14 October 2020 09: 19
    0
    No comment here
  13. HAM
    HAM 14 October 2020 09: 20
    +4
    One thing is for sure - in the Kuban and Don, taxi drivers and traders in the markets will soon be thoroughly added ... this is a natural result of the Transcaucasian wars ..
  14. Victorm
    Victorm 14 October 2020 09: 27
    -1
    Quote: Keyser Soze
    The Aisers have not yet tried a protracted war in the mountains. They joke early. Against people who defend their homes, all drones in the world will not help them.
    NATO provocateurs pulled up laughing
    There, the President of Armenia is calling out to you NATO members, why don't you react?
    "We don't hear NATO's voice": Armenian President on Turkey's intervention in the Karabakh conflict

    Read more: https://ru.armeniasputnik.am/politics/20201013/24897530/Ne-slyshim-golosa-NATO-prezident-Armenii-o-vmeshatelstve-Turtsii-v-karabakhskiy-konflikt.html

    Are not NATO members ashamed? Have you dumped and thrown the old woman?

    Mountains are different. Somewhere it will be hard, but there aviation and artillery will do their job. And in most cases, in the mountains it is the most for us, so the "mountaineers" are protected and not brought into battle. The rabble that is being dragged there from Yerevan, Moscow, Beirut and Paris does not know the mountains, all supply routes will soon be under our control - there will simply be the shooting of mad dogs.
    1. Old Kaa
      Old Kaa 14 October 2020 10: 17
      +1
      VictorM, you are not ashamed to call people dogs. If your task is to make others hate Armenians, then you need to hide your hatred and pretend to be objective.
  15. Victorm
    Victorm 14 October 2020 09: 38
    -6
    Quote: HAM
    One thing is for sure - in the Kuban and Don, taxi drivers and traders in the markets will soon be thoroughly added ... this is a natural result of the Transcaucasian wars ..
    We are responsible for those we have tamed

    Karabakh people to Russia, and those who started all this, and the same wallet, along the Karabakh docks to Europe and the USA ...

    South of Russia will soon become a powder keg. Internal migration slightly corrected the situation, people are fleeing from the Far East and up to the Urals, but of course there are too many Armenians, sooner or later it will result in something bad, otherwise it cannot be with such neighbors, history is proof of that. Especially there will be an ambush if Armenia becomes NATO or pro-NATO. We'll have to go somewhere "culturally", the 21st century is still in the yard, to move inland, otherwise the fifth column is right at the borders, this is too much.
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 14 October 2020 11: 43
      0
      Overkill. My Armenian friends living in Russia and Azeri acquaintances are very decent, positive people. The call for the transfer of an entire nation because of the entry of its national hearth into NATO is a complete rut. Moreover, it’s hard to figure out who’s Armenian and who’s Azeri, if they don’t - take my word for it, everyone will get the same.
  16. Okune
    Okune 14 October 2020 09: 47
    +1
    It seems that a huge amount of old weapons was collected in this region, apparently they were buying everything cheaply from the former republics.
  17. Victorm
    Victorm 14 October 2020 10: 10
    -2
    Quote: Tneburashka
    No comment here

    And what is so modest? So many lies poured out that many people really here, and indeed in Russia, believe in fairy tales, about the pogroms of Russians in Baku, about the fact that Azerbaijanis killed soldiers and officers of the SA ...

    My neighbor served in the Sofrinskaya brigade, he was just beginning to chomp this Armenian chewing gum, I ask the question head-on, do you know how much the brigade lost in Karabakh, in which he served both urgently and with a double bass two wars? Looks blinks. I ask why the officer of his brigade has an obelisk and gave him a Hero in the USSR ... How he walks away from a hangover and reads, it turns out that he has some kind of brochure about the history and combat path of the brigade and everything is clear about Karabakh.
    It was understandable that there were curtsies towards the current ally and something was hushed up and hushed up, but the fact remains, there was no war "between Armenians and Azerbaijanis" at the beginning. There were Armenian nationalist gangs on one side, and on the other the Internal Troops of the USSR and the OMON of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Azerbaijan SSR, in the latter more than a third were Russians. There were terrorist attacks by Armenian nationalists in Baku, long before some Sumgaits and others, there were terrorist attacks in Moscow, etc. The West was behind the Armenian nationalists, shaking the USSR in different ways.
    So the current tricks of Armenia is not something new, but an "old song about the main thing," and most importantly, like the Salafi trend ("Wahhabism") of Islam in Saudi Arabia, it arose and grew stronger not without the help of British intelligence, and then passed inherited by the Americans, and the nationalist Dashnaktsutyun and others, having arisen under the control and with the support of British intelligence, who used them in the fight against Turkey and Russia, were then inherited by the Americans as well. But the idiot Mishka was smart enough to let the Dashnaktsutyun enter SOVIET (!!!) Armenia, allowing them to open an office in Yerevan.
    Some of the Russian politicians do not want to talk about a lot now, because then it will be revealed to whom, having taken the baton from their fathers and grandfathers, they have been serving and working ever since ... Here is the "Fifth Column" - even a child can easily figure it out ...
    And they pour it into everyone's ears and everyone believes, either modestly writes "no comment", or about the fact that "both sides used Alazan and hail cannons" is strange for the Interior Ministry of the USSR and the OMON to use hail cannons, doesn't it? ...
    1. border
      border 14 October 2020 13: 48
      +2
      VictorM (Victor)!
      And who demolished the border tens of kilometers before the collapse of the Union in Azerbaijan and Nakhichevan? aliens? and the officers were stoned?
  18. Victorm
    Victorm 14 October 2020 10: 38
    +3
    Quote: Old Kaa
    VictorM, you are not ashamed to call people dogs. If your task is to make others hate Armenians, then you need to hide your hatred and pretend to be objective.

    I did not name the mercenaries otherwise and do not name them. You can only kill another while defending YOUR Homeland.

    Are they going there for a tourist walk? For example, an Armenian by nationality, took the citizenship of Russia, EVERYTHING, the choice is made, DOT. Obliged to comply with Russian law and serve Russia, not Armenia. Participation in battles as part of illegal armed groups on the side of the armies of foreign states is prohibited for Russian citizens and is a criminal offense.
    There I will kill him if they do not kill him, and for example he will remain crippled without a leg or an arm, will return to Russia, for the same bribe as he received citizenship, he will issue a disability or loss of a breadwinner. At the end, you, and even I, an ethnic Azeri, will be obliged to support him or his family ?! Sorry, but this does not suit me. He wants to fight for Armenia, let him take her citizenship, let her then pay him, or support his children.
  19. icant007
    icant007 14 October 2020 11: 25
    +2
    At the same time, there was no information earlier that the KS-19 was in service with the Armenian troops.


    So this is a hailstorm. The first artillery of Armenian militants in 1990.
    Here is one of the fighting episodes:

    Several hours later, units of the Armenian National Army were subjected to
    shelling of the Azerbaijani villages of Yukhary-Askipara, Baganis-Ayrum, Ashagy-Askipara
    and Gushchu, wedging into the territory of Armenia. According to evidence
    eyewitnesses, during the shelling, not only automatic weapons were used, but also
    grenade launchers, mortars, hail guns and even ground-to-ground missiles.
    The first hours the servicemen successfully repelled the attack. Then four
    helicopter was delivered from Yerevan by additional units of militants, to
    As a result, they managed to capture the villages of Yukhary-Askipara and Baganis-Ayrum.

    The village of Baganis Ayrum was already attacked on March 26. As a result
    the attacks killed 11 villagers.


    https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/266481
  20. TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 14 October 2020 11: 53
    +2
    That it is old and bad, tell those to whom the high-explosive fragmentation 100 - mm arrived.))))
  21. Victorm
    Victorm 14 October 2020 18: 09
    -2
    Quote: border
    VictorM (Victor)!
    And who demolished the border tens of kilometers before the collapse of the Union in Azerbaijan and Nakhichevan? aliens?
    Azerbaijanis. For you it could be the border with Iran, but for Azerbaijan, the border between its two parts, everyone had relatives there.
    They didn't kiss with farces laughing

    Quote: border
    VictorM (Victor)! and the officers were stoned?
    Storytellers like you are already sitting in the liver am Can you name at least one stoned person? ...
    Can you remember who from Kirovobad (Ganja) sent the frontier troops to support the pants? These people later trained me at the training ground, we were all Russian-speaking there, we talked without B, everyone spoke about the situation and frankly. And after every time I hear some kind of crap from the "heroes".
    Do you know who the "heroes" are? There was a division of property, containers with "personal belongings" of some officers drove along the railway, they were opened by the newly minted customs, what happened there? - optics, sights, night vision devices, boats, in short everything liquid from the army economy. Naturally, all this was "unloaded", passed the checks - there was a stench ... and the people who were caught by the hand are still whining.
    There was a section, the technique was divided, Ivan Ivanovich was dissatisfied, yesterday they rented or sold them had a hard-earned coin, but now what? Ivan Ivanovich, finding himself "misunderstood" and offended in the best of feelings, puts all the equipment he abandoned in a malfunctioning state, and what next? These "evil Azerbaijanis" blocked them and did not release them to Russia until they handed over all the machinery and equipment in good condition. Of course, still probably that huckster in uniform, Ivan Ivanitch hisses with a snake.

    I will repeat myself for the blind and deaf. Even all hunting weapons were confiscated from the Azerbaijanis; battles were fought only between the Armenian nationalist gangs on the one hand and the Internal Troops of the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs, OMON of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Azerbaijan SSR. Now an immodest question, where and from whom, and how did the Armenian nationalists get so many weapons? ...
    And they had all kinds of weapons of the rank of a motorized rifle company, the artillery was really at first represented by the Alazan rocket and guns.
    The officers of the Internal Troops ... were unhappy when, in their own country, in front of their post, as if on a parade, Krazy approached in a column and turned around at a distance of inaccessibility, the guns turned around and began to simply grind their positions at close range. At first, the command of the Internal Troops of the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs simply did not believe in what was happening and the reports.
    1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Kote Pan Kokhanka 14 October 2020 22: 15
      +1
      Bullshit!
      hi
  22. Victorm
    Victorm 14 October 2020 23: 05
    0
    Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
    Bullshit!
    hi

    Read at your leisure about the last Hero of the Soviet Union, an officer of the Sofrinskaya brigade, do not blame me that you need to read and think something: https://maxpark.com/community/129/content/4953816
    Ну и это не помешает знать, про первый теракт в Ростове-на-Дону и его причины: http://rslovar.com/content/%D0%BE%D1%85%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%B0-%D0%BD%D0%B0-%D0%B3%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B0-%D1%83%D0%B1%D0%B8%D0%B9%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B2%D0%BE-%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0-%D0%B1%D0%BB%D0%B0%D1%85%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0

    Comrade Merin (gray or dark-haired not in the know), have you heard about the first terrorist attack in Moscow? Have you read it? Give a link?