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Who is more difficult to dress: a knight or a samurai?

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Who is more difficult to dress: a knight or a samurai?

A helmet from the do-maru armor of the Muromachi era. The armor is classified as an important cultural property of Japan. Tokyo National Museum


And the young messenger said: “Look,
This is a shirt: sleeps in it from dawn to dawn
My lady. And you take away
Shield, chain mail and helmet, and soar with your soul,
And work wonders in this linen shirt,
You fight like heroes fight,
Cover yourself with glory or ... die. "
The knight takes the shirt without hesitation.
He pressed the gift of the young maiden to his heart: “Ladies order
I will fulfill, - said, - and for show everyone,
I will fight without armor, fearing nothing,
But if I don't die this time,
The hour will come for the lady. "
Walter Scott. The ballad of bloody clothes


Culture of clothes. We continue our story about the culture of clothing of different peoples of different historical epochs. Will continue Japan theme... Only now it will not be about kimono, but about how samurai were equipped for battle. This topic is interesting in itself. But it becomes even more interesting if we compare the Japanese and the Europeans, that is, we look at how the knights of the West were equipped for the battle, and only after that we turn to the samurai. After all, the most interesting information is of a comparative nature. Indeed, where there is nothing and nothing to compare with, correct conclusions simply cannot be expected. Well, as illustrations we use drawings from the book by David Nicolas "Medieval knight" (L., Reed Educational and Professional Publication Ltd., 1997), illustrations from the monograph by Mitsuo Kure "Samurai" (M., AST, Astrel, 2007) and photographs from the funds of the Tokyo National Museum.

How do we know what knights wore under chain mail and armor? But we know, although it is clear that the underwear did not reach us, and very few chain mails from the same XNUMXth century have come down to us. But there is embroidery of the famous Bayesque canvas, there are miniatures of the "Bible of Matsievsky" (all of them have already been cited in my articles on "VO" devoted to knightly weapons, so we will not repeat them), and from them it is clear that at first there were no special clothes the knights did not wear chain mail. Apparently, the very wearing of chain mail had a certain magical meaning for them, which came from the depths of centuries.

Well, now let's look at the first two drawings by D. Nicolas, just referring to the knights of the XII century, the era when in the same Japan the plate armor o-yoroi, most of all similar to a four-sided rigid box, already dominated.


In this picture we see what the knights of the 1th century wore “underneath”. Usually these were linen pantaloons of the bre (2), the figure of a young man on the right, and the same shirt (3), worn by the older knight on the left. No other linen was required. But here they put on the legs (4) - stocking pants made of separate tight-fitting trousers tied to a belt. They could be cloth, silk (among the nobility), and also leather. Only after putting on all this, the knight could begin to put on armor, and first of all, they put on chaussies again, but only from chain mail (XNUMX) sewn onto a thin leather lining. For the poor knights, or shall we say, not the richest, the highway only covered the front of the leg. For the most-most and for the kings, the chain mail covered the legs entirely. But over time, almost everyone began to wear such highways.



Above the shirt, one should first put on a long-length tunic (5), and over it - a quilted gambison stuffed with something soft (for the knight on the left it lies on the lid of the chest, for the knight on the right it can be seen between the surcoat floors. ) and a chain mail hood - a coif (6), and then a surcoat - a very specific attire of heraldic flowers. The helmet, as you can see, is very simple: "pill", but with a casing, that is, typical for this time. it was shortened in fashion, sleeves were sewn to it, chain mail was often covered with fabric outside, but in general everything shown in these two figures is quite typical. It is important to emphasize that such equipment could be put on by a knight himself, without outside help

Came the XIV century, the era of chain-plate armor, extremely well reflected on the effigies (there were also about them on "VO", and more than once!), And it became more expensive and at the same time more difficult for the knights of Western Europe to dress.


The helmet became completely closed (14), and under it was a chain mail hood (15). The chain mail began to be supplemented by a brigandine made of metal strips (10), over which a shortened surco-jupon was now worn (11). Hands and feet began to be protected either by overhead "shields" (12,13), or by "pipes" (a term of that time), with knee pads and elbow pads. A helmet-comforter could also be worn under a large helmet - a servilera or (later) a bascinet (the servant on the right takes it out of the chest)


The shirt (17) and underwear remained the same, but since the spear became very powerful, the chain mail was supplemented by armor made of steel plates, in particular, the same brigandine, often covered with expensive fabric on top, on which the gilded heads of the rivets looked very impressive. Plate and leggings appeared. Gambizon and chain mail did not undergo any special changes. It became much more difficult for a knight to put on such equipment alone, especially if some parts of the armor had ties on the back.

Well, now that we have looked at the Western European knights, let's be curious about how mountain samurai were equipped for battle. And here everything will turn out to be not at all as simple as it is written about it on many sites, and even in books. And there it is written that the armor of the samurai was much lighter than the European ones, that the samurai could easily put on and take them off without assistance, in a word, he gave his European counterpart a hundred points ahead! However, was it really so? Let's get a look…


Before us is a samurai of the Kamakura period (1185-1333), who dresses in the armor of the o-yoroi. The Kara-Bitsu box is open, and the servant takes out the equipment parts. But first, the samurai should have put on a kosode lower kimono and oguchi-hakama pants, tie an obi belt, and tie an eboshi hat on his head. The Yukage battle seals were also worn first. Moreover, in a hurry, only one right glove should be put on so that you could shoot from a bow, but the left one could be neglected (1). Now a servant or a samurai's wife (she also had to understand all this perfectly, she was taught this from childhood) helped her husband put on a hitatare - a robe with wide sleeves and top hakama pants, the legs of which had to be tied up at the bottom. Now it was the turn of suneate - leggings, and it was necessary to start with the left foot! After that, shoes were to be worn over the socks - tsuranuki shoes made of deerskin. Moreover, it was also necessary to pull up and tie up the left sleeve! (2)



Now it's time for everything else!
Here we see how the samurai himself pulls the left plate sleeve of the kote over his arm. So that he would not run away, one or more loops for the fingers were provided on it - a good idea unknown to European knights. But in order not to interfere with the wide sleeve of the hitatare, it should have been pulled down and tucked into the obi belt. One could also wear haidate legguards, which were tied at the back under the knees. Then a waidate plate was put on the samurai, which protected his right side, after which he again sat on his yoroi kara-bitu, and the ribbons from the Nodawa plate necklace were tied around his neck from behind (3). All that was left was to put on the armor itself, or rather, the rest of it, together with the o-sode shoulder pads over the head, and tie the takahimo laces over the voidate. Then the obi was again tied, behind which was inserted the short sword of the Koshi-gotan (4)

However, this was not all, although we can say that with a short sword, the samurai was already actually dressed!


Now the big sword of tachi, the quiver with the arrows of the ebir, and the ring with the spare bowstring - tsurumaki - were attached to the belt. Now the samurai vassal put on a helmet on him, and the servant tied his ribbons under his chin. Or his wife did it, she was also allowed to do it. All that remained was to pick up a fan and a bow and ... you could go to war! (five)


The commander could not do without this - the saikhai rod. Tokyo National Museum


The akaito-odoshi armor - o-yoroi of the Heian period, held together with a red cord, was restored during the Meiji period, but is still considered a national treasure

Their characteristic box shape is evident. It was difficult to get a mortal wound in such armor. Of course, they protected better than the European chain mail worn on the gambison, but putting on the armor was a long and difficult business, requiring several people to participate in this process. In addition, the battle of warriors in such armor often ended with the fall of one of them to the ground. Then the enemy's foot soldiers rushed to the fallen one in order to strike him with short wakizashi swords in the unprotected parts of the body. It is clear that his retinue was already in a hurry to help the fallen man, a fight began "for the head" of a still living person, and in this situation, bulky box-like armor only prevented him from getting up, and even about throwing them off and saving himself in case of something light, even and there could be no question. But for the soldiers of Europe, throwing off their chain mail was easier than ever!


Another samurai armor. Now it is the Muromachi period. It is also an important cultural asset. The type is dô-maru. And this armor was completely impossible to put on without assistance, because they were tied on the back! The helmet is adorned with huge Mitsu-kuwagata, a typical decoration of this period. Tokyo National Museum

Since the moment when firearms began to be used in Japan weapon (and this happened in the middle of the XNUMXth century), the armor also changed. Now they began to be called tosei-gusoku ("new armor"), and they also had to be worn somewhat differently than the old o-yoroi. Let's look at the most important differences of this "process", and at the same time at the most intimate parts of the clothes of the then samurai.


Tosei-gusoku armor

Here is a samurai putting on an etchu-fundoshi loincloth. Its length could be 1,5 m. Now (on the left) the lower kimono is put on, then (in the center) the hakama pants are slightly below the knees. This was followed by tabi socks and kahyan greaves. The shoes were now completely different - waraji straw sandals, which were beneficial in that they did not slip on soggy ground (1). Over the windings, suneate leggings made of metal strips connected by chain mail were fastened. Then haidate legguards were put on, which were also fixed under the knees. True, now they were buttoned up there. Now (in the center) it was necessary to put on the yukage glove, but then only one - the right one! The kote bracers are now two. And often they were connected to each other by a kind of armored vest - manju-va (right). But to protect the neck and chest, an uva-manjira collar (left) was worn (2). Then a cuirass with shoulder pads was put on (the samurai himself could do this), and she tied on the side, so that here, too, it was possible to do without a servant. The mask was also worn by the samurai himself, as was the helmet, which was the last to cover his head. It turns out that those who consider Japanese equipment more convenient than European equipment of the same time are wrong. The abundance of cords led to the fact that they were packed with dirt and insects that annoy the samurai, and it was not easy to clean the lacing. Armor with cords (even tosei gusoku, where they were used to a minimum) easily got wet, froze in the cold, and the cords broke. It was impossible to take off the frozen armor, as well as to put it on! And without the help of servants, it was almost impossible for a samurai to put on classic Japanese armor.


Warlord Takeda Shingen figurine wearing a jinbaori cape


... and without it. Since he was a monk, such details as a rosary over his shoulder, a gumbai utiva fan and a saihai rod were provided.


Takeda's constant adversary is Uesuge Kenshin!

If you really want to undress a samurai or dress him ... Today, a lot of samurai figures are produced in a scale of 1:12 and 1: 6. There are a lot of firms that produce such "soldiers": Hot Toys, Damtoys, Coomodel, Soldier Story, DID, Phicen and others. The bodies of these figures, especially the latest releases, are made of silicone and look real, as do their faces and hair. The hands are removable, and there are several of them in sets in different versions. The clothes are beautifully sewn, but the most wonderful thing about them is the weapons and armor. Their weapons are metal, with a hardening pattern on the blades, and the parts of their armor are somewhere plastic, but painted like metal, and somewhere they are metal. Horses in full equestrian equipment typical for noble samurai are also produced for the figures. True, the price of people and horses is not at all a toy, but there's nothing you can do about it.

PS Photos of samurai figurines are provided by gsoldiers.ru.
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  1. evgen1221
    evgen1221 24 October 2020 05: 02 New
    +3
    And what is the figurine for? Very hot.
    1. Phil77
      Phil77 24 October 2020 07: 09 New
      +9
      Quote: evgen1221
      And what is the figurine for? Very hot.



      Upper-29900 rubles, lower-3900 rubles.
      Good morning everyone and have a great weekend!
      1. kalibr
        24 October 2020 07: 42 New
        +7
        Above, the real character is Samurai Sanada, the hero of the Battle of Osaka.
        1. Phil77
          Phil77 24 October 2020 07: 45 New
          +9
          Quote: kalibr
          Above is a real character

          Good morning Vyacheslav Olegovich!
          Hence the price is appropriate. You have to pay for reality! wink
        2. evgen1221
          evgen1221 24 October 2020 09: 15 New
          +2
          I here rubbed the net and it turns out that they also need to be painted myself. Sadness with this however.
          1. kalibr
            24 October 2020 14: 57 New
            +2
            Quote: evgen1221
            I here rubbed the net and it turns out that they also need to be painted myself. Sadness with this however.

            Nothing like this! Figures 1: 6 do not need to be painted. Everything is ready there. The blades are made of steel, the parts of the armor are metal, the seams are amazing work ...
      2. Hunter 2
        Hunter 2 24 October 2020 08: 12 New
        +5
        Good morning! What is their scale? My Son and I are collecting 54mm. In collectible paint in the area of ​​5 thousand.
        The article is just Fire! Thanks.
        1. Phil77
          Phil77 24 October 2020 08: 18 New
          +5
          Good morning! To be honest, I don't know.
          But you can search. I think you can easily find the figures you are interested in. hi
          1. Hunter 2
            Hunter 2 24 October 2020 08: 22 New
            +5
            Quote: Phil77
            Good morning! To be honest, I don't know.
            But you can search. I think you can easily find the figures you are interested in. hi

            This is the problem that they can be found without difficulty. crying so the Son has to come up with tasks to wave them like a Carrot in front of his nose. laughing
      3. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 24 October 2020 08: 13 New
        +4
        lower-3900 rubles.
        So-so quality for the money. Elements depicting fabric should not glare.
    2. Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Kote Pan Kokhanka 24 October 2020 07: 11 New
      +4
      Quote: evgen1221
      And what is the figurine for? Very hot.

      ... to undress a samurai or dress him ...

      I could not resist screaming !!!
      Best regards, Vlad! I liked the article !!!!
  2. tlauicol
    tlauicol 24 October 2020 06: 25 New
    +8
    Gorgeous illustrations, gorgeous explanations!
    Doctor, where did you get such pictures? wink
  3. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 24 October 2020 06: 40 New
    +4
    Here comes the "five o'clock Charlie"!
    Good morning, Vyacheslav Olegovich. Thanks for the great article.
    1. kalibr
      24 October 2020 07: 38 New
      +5
      And good morning to you and good day!
  4. Catfish
    Catfish 24 October 2020 06: 58 New
    +8
    Good morning, friends, and have a nice day everyone! smile
    Well, the "muzzles" of the samurai armor, they don't even need any weapons, everyone will run away from fear. angry
    Thank you Vyacheslav for another interesting beauty. (but the tank is still better). wink drinks
    1. kalibr
      24 October 2020 07: 39 New
      +9
      You will also have about tanks ...
      1. Phil77
        Phil77 24 October 2020 07: 47 New
        +5
        Quote: kalibr
        about tanks

        The chief of tanks is working today. We are waiting for the evening. wink
      2. Catfish
        Catfish 24 October 2020 08: 03 New
        +4
        "And again tanks, tanks in Paris ..." (c)
        We are waiting, sir, personally I am looking forward. smile
        1. Trilobite Master
          Trilobite Master 24 October 2020 13: 29 New
          +3
          "Tanks, tanks in Paris" is it something like "Yellow faces are circling over the city"? smile
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 24 October 2020 14: 55 New
            +5
            Well, yes. smile
            "The sky is blue over Beijing,
            Along the stands, the leaders are slanting,
            So much like Russia
            But still not Russia. "))
      3. Hunter 2
        Hunter 2 24 October 2020 08: 17 New
        +5
        Quote: kalibr
        You will also have about tanks ...

        The coolest models that Torro has seen! The price tag is really not for children! But - just a bomb and not Tanks! From SW. Alexey.
        1. Phil77
          Phil77 24 October 2020 08: 28 New
          +6
          Yes Alexey! The price is impressive !!!
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 24 October 2020 09: 16 New
            +3
            Description of goods - masterpiece !!! wassat Long neighing! laughing
      4. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 24 October 2020 08: 18 New
        +5
        Nafig "about tanks"!
        Give medieval studies !!!
        1. Phil77
          Phil77 24 October 2020 08: 34 New
          +4
          And here he is! Greetings Anton! Work is not a wolf? laughing
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 24 October 2020 08: 39 New
            +3
            Sergei! hi
            I said yesterday that I am not working today. request
            1. Phil77
              Phil77 24 October 2020 08: 43 New
              +5
              Quote: 3x3zsave
              I said yesterday that I am not working today.

              Exactly! Now I looked and saw. This I with * Titanic * was too clever and confused. Alas! Favorite topic! hi wink
              1. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 24 October 2020 08: 45 New
                +5
                Favorite topic!
                I remember.
              2. Catfish
                Catfish 24 October 2020 10: 26 New
                +6
                You're too smart, how ... laughing I've got the whole lecture! Still wondering how we did not remember Raduev there, too, damn it, "Titanic".
                1. Phil77
                  Phil77 24 October 2020 10: 31 New
                  +5
                  Quote: Sea Cat
                  Raduev was not remembered

                  Fuck him! Bandit.
                  And this is a ship !!!! A ship with a capital letter!
                  And what are the passengers? They themselves went to death, but the places in the boats were inferior to women.
                  * We are dressed according to our position and are ready to meet death with dignity. *
                  Benjamin Guggenheim.
                  1. Catfish
                    Catfish 24 October 2020 10: 43 New
                    +3
                    Unfortunately, not everything, and what happened to the passengers of the third class? I mean, not all people in such situations are people.
                    I don’t want to ship anyone here, but you look, you are worried about this topic.
                    -------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------
                    ... why women and children were rescued from the Titanic, and not ...
                    journalist.delfi.ee ›news / news… titanika… zhenschin…
                    1. Phil77
                      Phil77 24 October 2020 10: 50 New
                      +4
                      And everything is in accordance with the time. On the sides of the liners of a * earlier * era, there were even announcements to first-class passengers, asking them not to throw money and food to people from the third class.
                      There were troubles with access to the boat deck, yes. But women were put in boats without question. Women and children. Murdoch, who was in charge of boarding on the port side, still allowed men to sit down, but Lightoller, no! In principle! Only women and children.
                      1. Catfish
                        Catfish 24 October 2020 11: 06 New
                        +4
                        Sergei, I understand everything, but go over the link, there are just statistics, how many people were on board and who survived.
                    2. Phil77
                      Phil77 24 October 2020 12: 21 New
                      +3
                      Quote: Sea Cat
                      journalist.delfi.ee ›news / news… titanika… zhenschin…

                      I read it. But I liked the reviews and opinions about this * author * and his article more. The article is frankly .... unpleasant! With a smell! As for the boats and their filling with passengers, the 7th was launched first, at 0-40 at 0.40 !!! And this is a huge question for Smith! He essentially just averted himself!
                      1. Catfish
                        Catfish 24 October 2020 14: 56 New
                        +2
                        Yes, Smith is definitely the main "hero of the disaster". negative
          2. Icelord
            Icelord 24 October 2020 21: 30 New
            +2
            Have a nice day. This is not another Sherman, this one has a 75mm cannon, but on the model there is a 76mm
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 24 October 2020 22: 02 New
              +2
              Hello, Igor! Are you okay?
              1. Icelord
                Icelord 24 October 2020 22: 05 New
                +1
                Good day, Anton. Thank you order. They banned me a little bit, but already forgiven))). In general, I am a balanced person, but if it did happen, then trouble. Yes
                1. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 24 October 2020 22: 12 New
                  +1
                  Leave, everyone understood everything. If anyone does not understand, I will clarify.
                  1. Liam
                    Liam 24 October 2020 22: 24 New
                    +1
                    Quote: 3x3zsave
                    Leave, everyone understood everything. If anyone does not understand, I will clarify.

                    Explain
                    1. 3x3zsave
                      3x3zsave 24 October 2020 22: 27 New
                      +1
                      Yes, for God's sake! The main thing is that you understand the situation ...
                      1. Liam
                        Liam 24 October 2020 22: 38 New
                        +2
                        Quote: 3x3zsave
                        The main thing is that you understand the situation ...

                        And what is there to understand. Drunken and in real life and in the internet are the same. Like stereotyped excuses after.
                      2. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 24 October 2020 22: 45 New
                        +1
                        It became terribly interesting, can you determine the percentage of alcohol in my blood, while writing this comment?
                      3. Liam
                        Liam 24 October 2020 23: 03 New
                        +2
                        Quote: 3x3zsave
                        determine the percentage of alcohol in my blood


                        - I should have been in his place ...
                        - Get drunk - you will
                        (C)
                      4. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 24 October 2020 23: 14 New
                        +2
                        Bravo! Nice quote!
                        However, it does not reflect reality.
                      5. Liam
                        Liam 24 October 2020 23: 30 New
                        +2
                        I didn't seem to notice your habit of getting drunk and offending users
                      6. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 24 October 2020 23: 43 New
                        +2
                        What you did not notice may not reflect reality. And the reality is that we are just a set of characters in binary code
              2. Icelord
                Icelord 26 October 2020 09: 06 New
                0
                Eh, good sir, it's hard for me to get drunk, I need to drink a couple of liters quickly. Hardening laughing ... In fact, I could not explain anything at all, the opinion of the person at whom I yelled, just like yours, I'm not too interested. But I respect other people on the forum, and I understand that they are unpleasant, that's all. Explain, please, why pump that?
  • Catfish
    Catfish 24 October 2020 10: 46 New
    +7
    Give medieval studies !!!

    With this - everything. The dragon is dead, the knight is drunk.

    Hello Anton. hi
    1. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 24 October 2020 10: 55 New
      +3
      Ni-fi-ha !!! There are so many more interesting things besides knights and dragons!
      What is a tank? Cannon cart! And nothing more!
      My respect, Uncle Kostya! hi
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 24 October 2020 11: 03 New
        +6
        Ni-fi-ha !!! They also ride the tanks on the tanks, and the gun includes several full bottles of drink, this is from personal experience. You just need to be creative, and not blindly follow the instructions for use. Even Peter the Great wrote that "Do not adhere to the charter like a blind wall ..." wink soldier
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 24 October 2020 11: 23 New
          +6

          Girls ride on dragons too.
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 24 October 2020 15: 05 New
            +4
            "On the uneven road, on the road,
            All the same, we are on the way!
            Rent us, Petrusha, on a tractor
            To the outskirts of us for a ride! "(C)
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 24 October 2020 15: 12 New
              +4
              The cost of a dragon is beyond the reach of the minds of these "heifers"
              1. Catfish
                Catfish 24 October 2020 15: 45 New
                +4
                Is there a mind? wassat
                1. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 24 October 2020 18: 31 New
                  +3
                  "How good it is with a friend alone,
                  Sit and drink plain scotch whiskey
                  And smiling to remember that
                  That you were once close to this lady "(C)
                2. Catfish
                  Catfish 24 October 2020 18: 43 New
                  +5
                  "The house is two-storey.
                  Lived in native Moscow
                  The widow is a young merchant,
                  The face is blush and white. "(C)
                3. Phil77
                  Phil77 24 October 2020 19: 03 New
                  +5
                  Quote: Sea Cat
                  The widow is a young merchant,


                  This merchant's wife is also a miracle how good !!!!!
                  laughing
                4. Catfish
                  Catfish 24 October 2020 19: 25 New
                  +3
                  You can't ask Barkrv which one inspired him. Maybe this one too ...
  • Icelord
    Icelord 24 October 2020 22: 09 New
    +2
    Well, yes, Konstantin, you can probably skate the young ladies, but I'm not sure that today's young ladies will appreciate the comfort of tanks, as I flew with my second wife in a helicopter. Not appreciated))
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 25 October 2020 00: 34 New
      +4
      Do not despair, colleague, maybe a third person will appreciate it. smile
      "Women are like buses - they come and go." drinks
  • cat Rusich
    cat Rusich 26 October 2020 23: 45 New
    +1
    For "emergency leaving the armor" o-yoroi, especially when the fasteners got wet, they used a ko-gatana - a small katana, a knife that was inserted into the sheath of the katana (two holes on the tsuba specifically for this). One hole on the outside (omote) for the kogai - double hairpins (as a replacement for chopsticks or as a sign of the owner of the "loot" (severed head) is the clan's coat of arms or mon owner), on the other side there is a hole for the kogatan. The knots of the cords were simply cut ...
    kogai
    Kogai
    ko-gatana and kozuka hilt
    Ko-gatana and Kozuka hilt.
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 24 October 2020 08: 16 New
    +4
    and it was necessary to start with the left foot!
    Well, damn it, a nation of perfectionists!
    Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich!
  • Van 16
    Van 16 24 October 2020 08: 37 New
    +4
    It is becoming a very good tradition when Vyacheslav Olegovich publishes such articles on weekends that you can read (and watch)) without rushing anywhere and drinking your morning coffee. Thanks!
    A little above Ryzhov's article, I have not read it yet, but I do not even doubt that it is also very interesting, tested by experience, the day starts well))
    1. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 24 October 2020 08: 49 New
      +4
      Traditional Saturday "battle", "Shpakovsky vs Ryzhov". We place bets on the number of comments! hi
      1. Van 16
        Van 16 24 October 2020 09: 39 New
        +4
        Let's see)) usually the comments are also extremely interesting!
        1. Phil77
          Phil77 24 October 2020 16: 37 New
          +5
          Quote: Van 16
          Let's see)) usually the comments are also extremely interesting!

          Ivan, it's time to draw the first conclusions. bully
          * Your call is important to us .... *. wink
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 24 October 2020 18: 27 New
            +3
            Sergey, who did you bet on?
            1. Phil77
              Phil77 24 October 2020 18: 57 New
              +4
              Anton, I didn’t bet. I read both articles, I read both with pleasure! Both authors are nice to me, both are interesting. From these authors I get new knowledge, but excitement? For this I have hockey and football. Here's something like this ! Plus communication with interesting people, which is also very important. hi wink
              1. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 24 October 2020 19: 18 New
                +2
                I was joking. Nobody knows when I'm serious. Even Nikolai. Even myself.
                1. Phil77
                  Phil77 24 October 2020 20: 19 New
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                  Quote: 3x3zsave
                  I was joking

                  I appreciate it, and for that too! bully
                  1. 3x3zsave
                    3x3zsave 24 October 2020 20: 47 New
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                    It is a pity that my buffoonery is akin to the hero of Koster.
          2. Catfish
            Catfish 24 October 2020 18: 53 New
            +3
            * Your call is important to us .... *.

            The inscription on the doors of the KGB reception room - "KNOCK" hi
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 24 October 2020 19: 35 New
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              I’ll ask a native Muscovite, what was the reception room at Lubyanka?
              1. Catfish
                Catfish 24 October 2020 19: 53 New
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                Even two - the Main Directorate and the Moscow one.
                And Yuri Vladimirovich had a portrait of Alexander Sergeevich in his office, and once he was asked
                - Do you like Pushkin's poetry?
                - Naturally. - There was an answer. - After all, he had such wonderful lines: "Souls are beautiful impulses!"
                1. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 24 October 2020 20: 07 New
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                  I can't say that Yuri Vladimirovich had destructive impulses. Although, it's hard for me to judge.
                  "I was extremely young at that heroic time" (c)
                  1. Catfish
                    Catfish 24 October 2020 20: 13 New
                    +5
                    And I remember how in his presence, in broad daylight, people began to be caught in shops and cinemas, and taken to departments "for clarification," and it was not the police who did this. Then it dawned on someone that this was generally complete insanity and this madhouse stopped.
              2. Phil77
                Phil77 24 October 2020 20: 16 New
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                Quote: 3x3zsave
                Was there a reception in the Lubyanka?

                Kuznetsky Most, 22.


                There is a whole complex of buildings belonging to the office.
                1. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 24 October 2020 20: 54 New
                  +2
                  All of you, damn it, Muscovites, you know! You have been everywhere!
                  In St. Petersburg I know only one address from where the Kolyma can be seen
                  1. Phil77
                    Phil77 25 October 2020 06: 38 New
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                    Kolyma is visible

                    Good morning Anton! Liteiny, 4?
                    1. Phil77
                      Phil77 25 October 2020 06: 41 New
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                      Quote: Phil77
                      Foundry, 4?

                      1. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 25 October 2020 08: 19 New
                        +1
                        Yeah, only the FSB moved out of there.
                      2. Phil77
                        Phil77 25 October 2020 09: 25 New
                        +2

                        Oppodi! Black realtors ran over ?! And where are they, unfortunate? hi
                      3. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 25 October 2020 09: 30 New
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                        hi
                        Somewhere to Galernaya, or what? I do not remember exactly...
      2. Van 16
        Van 16 24 October 2020 20: 16 New
        +3
        No, no, Sergey, I don’t place bets either)) and as you wrote correctly, both authors are interesting and know (like many commentators) much more than me ..
  • Icelord
    Icelord 24 October 2020 21: 34 New
    +2
    Thank you from the bottom of my heart, Vyacheslav Olegovich
  • Matroskin
    Matroskin 28 October 2020 14: 35 New
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    How beautiful they are. Immediately you can see they lived brightly, but not for long.)) Thanks for the article.