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"Time is running out": German press on the creation of a new military transport aircraft in Russia

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The newest Russian military transport aircraft, the Il-112V, is approaching commissioning. The first production vehicles are to be delivered no later than three years later. At the same time, an increase in the terms of its creation can have an extremely negative effect on the combat potential of the military aviation.


The Il-112V is intended to replace the military heritage of the Antonov Design Bureau in Russia - veterans An-24 and An-26

- indicates the German edition of Flug Revue.

IL-112V is the first military transport aircraft, the development of which began only after the collapse of the Soviet Union.

Time is running out as Soviet predecessors age. Therefore, in Russia, with great hope, the commissioning of a successor is expected

- the newspaper writes, noting that the start of serial deliveries is expected in 2023. At the same time, it is expected to achieve a production rate of 15 vehicles per year, which is planned to be deployed at facilities in Voronezh.

It is indicated that the Il-112V, military tests of which are planned to begin in 2021, will be in demand in foreign markets. There is also its civilian version - Il-112T. Both versions of the aircraft are capable of carrying about five tons of cargo. The aircraft's cargo hold can accommodate 44 fully equipped military personnel.
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  1. Linxs
    Linxs 14 October 2020 08: 26 New
    18
    ... Time is running out


    There is no more time for buildup.
    1. krot
      krot 14 October 2020 09: 24 New
      -12 qualifying.
      Both versions of the aircraft are capable of carrying about five tons of cargo.

      He won't even take the BMP?
      1. venik
        venik 14 October 2020 11: 05 New
        22
        Quote: krot
        He won't even take the BMP?

        =======
        And what - lungs transport workers should also BMP tasakt? belay Did the An-26 take them? Or An-140? This is a task for secondary и heavy transport workers! In the lungs - others tasks! hi
        PS By the way, with the average - we also have "seams"! An-12 has exhausted all its resources, but there is nothing to replace in such a class! IL-214/276 so far in the form of dreams and projects ...
      2. svp67
        svp67 14 October 2020 12: 04 New
        +8
        Quote: krot
        He won't even take the BMP?

        Yeah ... And An-26 and 32 are so easy ... Do you even understand the place of the Il-112 in the ranks?
        Apparently at the expense of the author of the German article ...
        The Il-112V is intended to replace the military heritage of the Antonov Design Bureau - veterans An-24 and An-26 - in Russia, the German edition of Flug Revue indicates.
        Well, the An-26 is no question here, but how will it replace the An-24? Is there a normal passenger version of this aircraft? No, the Il-24 is coming to replace the An-114
        1. krot
          krot 14 October 2020 14: 30 New
          +2
          Do you even understand the place of the Il-112 in the ranks?
          Apparently at the expense of the author of the German article ...

          I don't understand, that's why I asked my question. Or should everyone know about planes in your opinion? I'm not special.
      3. antivirus
        antivirus 14 October 2020 17: 46 New
        -21 qualifying.
        can carry sewer pipes? -It's already good, but Putin's military clique will be killed without BMP. the idea of ​​the world technical intelligence is great and difficult.

        soon Musk will chase cargo with rockets for the Pentagon ..... and we are BMP- from a slingshot and catch them with trampolines.
        1. bonifacius
          bonifacius 14 October 2020 22: 59 New
          +6
          You forgot to remember HYPERLOOPS Mask. Then planes and missiles will not be needed at all.
          1. antivirus
            antivirus 15 October 2020 07: 49 New
            -4
            there are already hyperloops on Mars - that's why the way there for earthlings is forbidden.
    2. pereselenec
      pereselenec 14 October 2020 10: 05 New
      +7
      Quote: LinxS
      There is no more time for buildup.


      Yes, we urgently need a breakthrough (or, at worst, a breakthrough).
      1. Name Surname
        Name Surname 14 October 2020 11: 49 New
        0
        but for now we are breaking through the bottom more often))
    3. Interlocutor
      Interlocutor 14 October 2020 13: 40 New
      -2
      There is no more time for buildup.


      Is there a war tomorrow ???
      1. 210ox
        210ox 14 October 2020 17: 21 New
        +4
        Yeah, woke up. She's already coming.
        1. antivirus
          antivirus 14 October 2020 17: 47 New
          -5
          She's already coming.


          ... twice ... and in turn with the launch of new iPhones
  2. rocket757
    rocket757 14 October 2020 08: 27 New
    13
    You don't know what to say about this ... you need an airplane, that's all.
  3. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 14 October 2020 08: 27 New
    19
    Yes, yes ... our press also likes to speculate about the needs of the Western aviation industry ... and of course (there is no news here) an aircraft to replace the AN-26 was needed even "yesterday" ... the "ingenious" conclusion about the undesirability of delaying the deadline .. the authors are right here "giants of thought" ...
  4. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 14 October 2020 08: 35 New
    21
    Eh, the designers ... it was necessary to overweight the relatively small aircraft so. Now they are frantically correcting mistakes, and the plant is standing still, waiting for new drawings ... they have already forgotten how expensive the mistakes of designers are! The work of designers should be appreciated, and "schools" (KB) should be preserved even more than even their own personal accounts (this is me for "effective managers") wassat
    1. tanit
      tanit 14 October 2020 08: 41 New
      +3
      Well, the first copy managed to reduce its weight by 800 kg in a year. Another 1200 kg must be "optimized".
    2. NDR-791
      NDR-791 14 October 2020 08: 42 New
      +2
      Eh, the designers ... it was necessary to overweight the relatively small plane.
      Where did the firewood come from? Really I can "passed by"? Once I watched about the IL-112 on TV. He seems to have no competitors with us. About KB and managers I will fully support
      1. donavi49
        donavi49 14 October 2020 09: 33 New
        +9
        Due to hellish problems with creation, a number of main nodes were incorrectly counted, as a result + 2m in design. Now they shoot as they can:

        Russian Il-112V will "lose weight" by removing "minor structural elements"
        The publication reports that the aircraft will "lose weight" by removing "the metal covers that cover the propulsion system, as well as metal fairings of the niche into which the aircraft landing gear folds."

        And here is what the general designer said:
        -This year, a serious question was raised that the aircraft does not meet the tactical and technical specifications - in particular, transportation of five tons at a distance of 1200 kilometers to a third-class airfield. The third class consists of rather short strips of 1500–1800 meters. Yes, we overweight the plane. There are objective reasons for this - a change of generations of designers has taken place in the aviation industry. Replenishment was weak, technical universities lost popularity... And a young specialist came to us, looked around, studied and went to the place where they pay more. So "Ilyushin" also became a forge of personnel. As Sergei Vladimirovich Ilyushin himself said, the most difficult task is to create a team and keep it. The "young" turns into a real specialist in five years. There are not enough of them, but we are trying to educate new employees in the Ilyushin spirit, so that people enter the work, and, most importantly, keep them at the firm. And salary plays a role. It's no secret that in 2010, when work on the Il-112 was stopped, our five departments stood up and switched to Irkut - they paid almost three times more. In a lot that's why we missed the weight problem... This issue was considered both with the military and at the level of the specialized Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Government. A comprehensive plan to reduce the weight of the aircraft was approved.
        1. Elturisto
          Elturisto 14 October 2020 20: 10 New
          0
          Stop criticizing already, he does not have enough specialists, but the sociologist Manturov, the producer Slyusar, the accountant Artyukhov (UEC) is that it is not personnel, these are excellent personnel, the people are not the same, this is already clear to everyone.
      2. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 14 October 2020 09: 35 New
        +4
        Quote: NDR-791
        Where did the firewood come from? Really I can "passed by"? Once I watched about the IL-112 on TV. He seems to have no competitors with us. About KB and managers I will fully support

        The plane was "overweight" by almost 3 tons. And this is no good. In design, the cancer called "weight discipline" was lost, everyone "slightly" overweight their nodes, either they insured themselves, or they calculated the strength incorrectly (this is now automatically done, but the designer gives the initial parameters!) ...
        The MO also "put a paw", then do, then do not, and the TK changed several times ...
        1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
          Boris ⁣ Shaver 15 October 2020 21: 59 New
          +2
          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          The MO also "put a paw", then do, then do not, and the TK changed several times

          +1
          In addition to constantly sounding problems with personnel and money, there is also not so obvious, but no less important - the behavior of the state customer. Often, the state customer himself brings down the project for completely different reasons:
          - I want it, I don’t want it;
          - this is TK, then that;
          - sometimes crying, sometimes not crying;
          - then give me a product for the parade, then I will leave you without a penny for the time that was torn off for this reason.

          Etc. etc.
          All this, at least, increases the time and cost of the work. As a maximum, it completely rips them off and drowns the performer (often the only suitable performer in the country).
    3. K-612-O
      K-612-O 14 October 2020 08: 43 New
      +4
      Well, according to the previous chief designer, at least they started a little business, how he stole on this development and deliberately delayed the deadlines, although still Soviet.
    4. Pravodel
      Pravodel 14 October 2020 08: 53 New
      11
      We need to appreciate the work of designers, and keep "schools" (KB) even more important than even our own personal accounts (this is me for "effective managers")

      Add to this the elimination of the school of aircraft engine designers by efficient managers. What we suffer the most. The glider, sooner or later, will be brought to mind, but when the engine is created for it, this is a big, big question ... Thanks to the effective managers, they took care of Russia ... But the question is: when, finally, there will be a trial over these management and will it be, or will they continue to plunder Russia and harm the Fatherland ?! ...
      1. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 14 October 2020 09: 40 New
        +4
        Quote: The Truth
        Add to this the elimination of effective managers of the school of aircraft engine designers

        But here ... not quite so. Engines for civil aviation - it is necessary to clarify. But here it is more likely not a school, but a direction. When the task got upright, then the engines "went" ... And PD 14, and VK 2500 ... And there is another row on the way. Both very large (PD 35) and very small (VK 800) ...
        1. Elturisto
          Elturisto 14 October 2020 20: 11 New
          -2
          It is not necessary to nonsense, - not one engine in 30 years of getting up ...
          1. Mountain shooter
            Mountain shooter 14 October 2020 20: 36 New
            +4
            Rudeness is, of course, an argument ... Fortunately, not for everyone. But in essence? When the production of civil aviation was strangled, the customers of the engines for it also disappeared. Customers have appeared - and the engines have tightened up. Motors are needed for airplanes, not by themselves. Engines for fighters do, and have done, and will do. As well as bombers.
            1. Elturisto
              Elturisto 15 October 2020 17: 55 New
              -2
              Shtaaaa ...? I don't see rudeness, it really hurts my eyes ... What is someone creating? They torment the Soviet Al-31 and also give the conscientious NK-32 as a newly produced one :)
              1. Mountain shooter
                Mountain shooter 15 October 2020 21: 34 New
                +1
                Quote: ElTuristo
                Al-31 and also give the conscientious NK-32 as a newly produced one :)

                PD 14 is already being delivered. Of course, you haven't heard of AL 41? Well, about PD 8, VK 2500, VK 800 ... But it's easier to blather ...
                1. Elturisto
                  Elturisto 16 October 2020 08: 39 New
                  -2
                  Where the PD-14 is supplied for testing it is supplied. PD-8 is not and apparently will not be, VK-2500 is Ukrainian and previously Soviet TV-3, VK-800 was started by development back in the USSR
            2. shahor
              shahor 15 October 2020 23: 01 New
              +1
              Quote: Mountain Shooter
              Motors are needed for airplanes, not by themselves.

              That's how it is, but that's why it turns out that way - the Pentagon decided to change the engines in the B-52 - and then it turns out that the engine is already ready - now! And not one - and Royce offers his, and GE, and Pratny ... Choose - I don't want to. And we have a plane - and the engine is still sawing - at best.
              1. Mountain shooter
                Mountain shooter 15 October 2020 23: 18 New
                +1
                Quote: shahor
                it turns out that the engine is already ready - now! And not one - and Royce offers his, and GE, and Pratny ... Choose - I don't want to. And we have a plane - and the engine is still sawing - at best

                This is called MONOPOLY. The firms you mentioned "sawed" the whole world and produce lines of motors for aircraft, produced in large series. And in Russia for 30 years, no series. Well, how do aircraft designers design their aircraft? Which engine? So they design for what is offered on the market ... And the tasks of import substitution appear only after, and the terms of design and launch into a series are unrealistic, but it must be done!
                1. shahor
                  shahor 16 October 2020 00: 23 New
                  0
                  Quote: Mountain Shooter
                  This is called MONOPOLY

                  Let me disagree. 3 firms from two countries in such a high-tech market is not a monopoly. This is competition and an incentive for development. And pay attention - they are investing in development. Import substitution?
                  I understand that it’s not from a good life, but we must understand that by inventing the PD-14 bicycle, an analogue of the not very recent Pratny engine, we doom ourselves to lag.
                  I agree - this is a necessary measure, but - the essence of the matter does not change from this. It's a shame.
                  1. Mountain shooter
                    Mountain shooter 16 October 2020 07: 19 New
                    +1
                    Quote: shahor
                    I understand that it’s not a good life, but we must understand that by reinventing the bicycle-PD-14, an analogue of the not very fresh Pratny engine, we doom ourselves to lag

                    If you were in the know, you would know that the PD-14 is an analogue of Pratt & Whitney only in the "traction class" ... The development is very modern, and very decent in terms of parameters. Permians are proud of her for a reason ...
                2. Elturisto
                  Elturisto 16 October 2020 08: 41 New
                  -1
                  Again nonsense -PS-90 who prevented the installation on the MS-21. Who prevented the purchase of Tu-204SM and Il-96?
          2. jncnfdybr
            jncnfdybr 18 October 2020 12: 14 New
            0
            That's it. Stop talking nonsense. You're right. Better keep quiet.))
    5. akarfoxhound
      akarfoxhound 14 October 2020 09: 20 New
      +6
      The less efficiently the manager works, the better the country lives.
    6. Letun
      Letun 14 October 2020 11: 41 New
      +2
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      (this is me "effective managers")

      She will definitely read and obey you ...
    7. Rzzz
      Rzzz 18 October 2020 01: 04 New
      +1
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      We need to appreciate the work of designers, and keep the "schools" (KB)

      But here everything is not so simple. The design school must comply with modern trends. If you put your grandfathers to draw a modern plane, then they will draw it - with a fivefold safety factor, resistant to a nuclear explosion and made of Orthodox cast iron. They just don't know that technology is being designed differently now. About the fact that you can make some things out of plastic, calculate some exactly according to the current loads, and do it without unnecessary stocks. That electrical appliances are now more economical, and such thick wiring is not needed that a thousand different signals can be passed through one wire, that the wires can be aluminum and the pipelines are plastic.
      In short, the design school must be modern. An aircraft created according to outdated concepts cannot be sold now. It was Andrei Nikolayevich who managed to sell his creations to the Soviet government contrary to all common sense, and now this trick will not work.
  5. Sergey_G_M
    Sergey_G_M 14 October 2020 08: 37 New
    +6
    We, too, are all concerned about the state of the armed forces of Germany, it is simply deplorable, and we are also worried about its political dependence. Let the Germans make their Armed Forces normal, the EU may collapse "time is running out." laughing
  6. Glory1974
    Glory1974 14 October 2020 08: 47 New
    +6
    It seems that this is being done on purpose to deprive us of aviation.
    First, they abandoned our civilian airliners and began to fly on foreign used aircraft. Moreover, for this, Chernomyrdin even canceled import duties.
    Then they piled a lot of money for a joint "superjet", which we ourselves cannot build and cannot sell to anyone without permission from the West.
    The engine production was destroyed.
    Now we have gradually approached military aviation.
    The conclusion is unambiguous: for the United States, competitors are dangerous, which have high technologies in aircraft construction. Therefore, all occupied countries are deprived of the opportunity to make their own aircraft. Japan, Germany, now Russia.
    1. Elturisto
      Elturisto 14 October 2020 20: 12 New
      0
      very correct opinion ... so it is ...
    2. Revolver
      Revolver 15 October 2020 03: 41 New
      +1
      Quote: glory1974
      Therefore, all occupied countries are deprived of the opportunity to make their own aircraft. Japan, Germany, now Russia.

      The Japanese are slowly getting on their feet, even have a 5th generation fighter in development. Germany participates in the Airbus and Eurofighter programs, although the French rule there. But Russia is still up to the level of the USSR ... well, let's just say: grow and grow. And no occupants are to blame. Themselves, they themselves broke and destroyed.
      1. Rzzz
        Rzzz 18 October 2020 01: 14 New
        +1
        In Germany there were also Dornier regionalists, quite decent, but could not stand the competition with ATR and Bombardier.
        And back in the early 2000s there was a project of a very economical regionalist from the manufacturer of gliders GROB, all carbon fiber, with super efficient wings, etc. But the project stalled somewhere halfway through, although they promised that it would be a revolution.
  7. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 14 October 2020 08: 51 New
    12
    The funny thing is, in the history of the Il-112-114, that while they were swinging, the situation changed dramatically several times. Launching the An-140 (did not manage to do the transport option), licensing or assembling Bombardier here ..., shutting off the oxygen of the SSZH and MS for components due to sanctions ... And, in principle, at the exit - 1. anti-sanction , 2. An airplane with a ruble prime cost.
    In fact, 114 and 112, no matter how scolded they are, will occupy the An-24-26-32 niche, because they are completely ruble-denominated and localized in the Russian Federation. And Ukraine, on the contrary, lost independence and cost in national currency (and this is important) in the production of An-24/26 (in the modern version).
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 14 October 2020 08: 58 New
      +8
      For too long it dawned on our people that they themselves would have to do EVERYTHING! From the engine to the last rivet!
      When it was like this, we had our own aircraft industry ... and the planes were needed!
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 14 October 2020 09: 04 New
        11
        Under normal circumstances, this is not always good for commercial aircraft. Even now, Ilam could do two versions of avionics and theaters. For export (and commercial) cars, there must be a choice. Monopolization in these conditions is harmful. As a result, theater manufacturers will monopolistically set terms and prices for repairs and sales that are comparable with American prices, but not with their terms and quality.
        Such situations arose with the Tu204 and PS-90.
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 14 October 2020 09: 12 New
          +1
          It is clear that when there is a choice of a manufacturer and a suitable nomenclature, the client can order his own configuration! But, now just commercial interests, everything is not limited! Political affairs, intrigues interfere !!! And there is no way to predict them, all the more difficult to overcome.
          Now that has already become an "old rake", which is foolish to step on again and again!
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 14 October 2020 09: 58 New
            +5
            What I mean is that commercial exploitation imposes rather severe restrictions on the machine-consumption, resource-service. And, God forbid, our producers will reach Western indicators in this.
            And commercial deliveries of cars, in turn, reduce the cost of developing and manufacturing cars for government. goals. M make pilots cheaper for cars.
            And, in general, the latest world trends - civilian vehicles go to the "army", and not vice versa.
            B-737 is an example of this.
        2. Elturisto
          Elturisto 14 October 2020 20: 13 New
          0
          No need to talk nonsense ...
        3. Elturisto
          Elturisto 16 October 2020 08: 47 New
          -1
          Do not talk nonsense. Are there figures about monopoly inflated prices? Or do you think foreign companies? They have already monopolized the production of aircraft engines and break prices at 15 million dollars. There have already been cases of scammers from the Americans in the Il-96 m / t and Mi-38 projects, but the rake exists so that they would be stepped on twice, we look at the MS-21.
      2. Elturisto
        Elturisto 16 October 2020 08: 42 New
        -1
        Who is ours? Is Poghosyan yours?
      3. Rzzz
        Rzzz 18 October 2020 01: 27 New
        +1
        Quote: rocket757
        that you yourself will have to do EVERYTHING! From the engine to the last rivet!

        But this, on the other hand, is the most difficult path. After all, if we manufacture everything of our own, then we must provide all aircraft buyers with spare parts and service. Okay, well with the motors, this is practically the same TV3-117 from a helicopter, they can be repaired in many places in the world. And everything else, all the auxiliary units, avionics?
        The superjet stood at the Mexicans three months due to a burned out wiper motor. How is this even possible? The company suffered millions in losses due to the fact that our managers were unable to ensure the supply of a penny spare part. Naturally, with such a service, they will not buy anything from us. Airbus, as I read, promises to deliver any spare part from the catalog within XNUMX hours to any of its regional service centers in the world.
        So it is not an aircraft that should be sold, but an integral airplane + service complex. It is for such a product that there is now a demand, just iron is not needed by anyone.
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 18 October 2020 09: 39 New
          0
          Shaw here to discuss .... the old rake, stamped, stamped and will continue to stamp.
    2. K-612-O
      K-612-O 14 October 2020 09: 04 New
      +5
      I will also remind you that we went on time with a license for the L-410, also the desired plane
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 14 October 2020 09: 05 New
        +3
        Not even with a license ... they bought the Airways ...
        1. Reviews
          Reviews 14 October 2020 11: 29 New
          +2
          Quote: Zaurbek
          Not even with a license ... they bought the Airways ...

          Fuck what an insidious move: in order to get hold of the L-410, we bought "Aerospace ducts" ...
          1. Rzzz
            Rzzz 18 October 2020 01: 34 New
            +1
            In the world of modern business, this is a fairly common move when a company is bought in order to obtain its rights, patents, licenses, and other intangible property. This is sometimes even cheaper and easier.
            1. Reviews
              Reviews 18 October 2020 04: 15 New
              0
              Quote: rzzz
              In the world of modern business, this is a fairly common move when a company is bought in order to obtain its rights, patents, licenses, and other intangible property. This is sometimes even cheaper and easier.

              I mean that L-410 is "Years".
              1. Rzzz
                Rzzz 18 October 2020 10: 21 New
                +1
                Oh, exactly. I didn't pay attention.
      2. Elturisto
        Elturisto 14 October 2020 20: 14 New
        +1
        what a license-screwdriver, all imported :)
  8. Maks1995
    Maks1995 14 October 2020 09: 03 New
    +2
    Ha. They write about some Germans.
    And about the Rogozins - no, no ..
    1. slipped
      slipped 14 October 2020 09: 22 New
      +5
      Quote: Max1995
      Ha. They write about some Germans.
      And about the Rogozins - no, no ..


      Duc, what's the problem? The elder has just launched a new Soyuz MS to the ISS:

      1. Maks1995
        Maks1995 14 October 2020 09: 30 New
        +1
        Tse is not bad. I missed it.

        But nat about Il, and there the younger was leading.
        1. slipped
          slipped 14 October 2020 09: 37 New
          +7
          Quote: Max1995
          Tse is not bad. I missed it.

          But nat about Il, and there the younger was leading.


          The younger one released the IL-112 on its first flight then. Then several events happened - the runway of the Voronezh plant got underway for reconstruction, according to the results of various tests, the aircraft began to be finished to condition. Now the first stage of the strip reconstruction has been completed:



          The engines on the Il-112 were already driven on static, flights are coming soon.
          1. tanit
            tanit 14 October 2020 10: 06 New
            -2
            [Quote] Tse is not bad. I missed it.

            But nat about Il, and there the junior led. [Quote]
            Perhaps they are waiting for the docking.
            Perhaps, they are feverishly remaking an article about "the difficult fate of polymers and Roscosmos."
            1. slipped
              slipped 14 October 2020 12: 19 New
              +6
              Everything is fine there with the docking, in 3 hours and 3 minutes we got there, the record was set, judging by the cheerful voice of Ryzhikov on board, everyone is happy.
              1. tanit
                tanit 14 October 2020 12: 30 New
                0
                Everything is good there with the docking

                Well, yes, before the calculated one.))
        2. K-612-O
          K-612-O 14 October 2020 11: 09 New
          +1
          Let's start with the fact that Talikov led (a criminal case of fraud and embezzlement), and Rogozin just came to rake Talikov's shoals. And by the way, he has been working with Avicia since the age of 11, seriously and tightly.
  9. Vladimir Mashkov
    Vladimir Mashkov 14 October 2020 11: 54 New
    0
    So many conversations ... And I want to quickly see the SERIAL aircraft in operation. Anyone else, but I really like this cute airplane! yes
  10. senima56
    senima56 14 October 2020 14: 30 New
    +3
    "Not later than in three years, the first production cars should be delivered" ... What kind of postponement is this? negative
  11. Pavel57
    Pavel57 14 October 2020 14: 58 New
    -1
    Quote: Interlocutor

    Is there a war tomorrow ???

    You need to arm yourself in peacetime.
  12. Kaw
    Kaw 14 October 2020 15: 46 New
    0
    As far as I understand, it is inferior in its characteristics to the An-26?
  13. fa2998
    fa2998 14 October 2020 16: 31 New
    +1
    Quote: NDR-791
    He seems to have no competitors with us.

    And where are the competitors, to hell, if in this country they haven't made a transport worker for 50 years. Pomnitsa in the 80s, there was an An-225, heavyweight, but died as the Ukrainian aviation industry. The rest has been flying since 60-70s.
  14. Prisoner
    Prisoner 14 October 2020 16: 44 New
    0
    The share of "effective managers" is heavy. sad You have to do two things at the same time. And the apparatus must be riveted, and the "grandmother" cut down so that the SC is not interested. It takes a lot of time. It used to be easier to protect your developments, get the go-ahead and rivet the apparatus. what Or am I confusing something?
  15. Alexfly
    Alexfly 14 October 2020 17: 32 New
    0
    They screwed up the AN-70 at one time, now there are no suitable transport workers ... We did not agree on kickbacks, but there were still enough petrodollars ...
  16. alien308
    alien308 14 October 2020 19: 49 New
    0
    I marvel at the alternatively oriented. You need to fly or checkers. There are An-26 and An-12. There are drawings, at least operational. Reproduce on modern materials, components and assemblies. Improve range, reduce weight, lick aerodynamics. Only on this you cannot raise much. And the technical task must be set correctly.
    1. Nazar
      Nazar 14 October 2020 20: 57 New
      +2
      alien308 - IL114 also has blueprints, it was mass-produced in Uzbekistan (!), but in the Russian Federation it has been puffing up for many years and that's all - nothing. They are going to release IL112 in Voronezh - only is there anyone there to do it? Who and what is left of that plant?
      1. alien308
        alien308 17 October 2020 14: 53 New
        0
        "IL114 also has drawings, it was serially produced in Uzbekistan (!)"
        can be more? Maybe another car with the same index.
        1. Rzzz
          Rzzz 18 October 2020 01: 41 New
          +2
          Quote: alien308
          can be more? Maybe another car with the same index.

          https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%98%D0%BB-114
          In the 90s, at the end of the work of TAPOiCH, 20 were built.
          1. alien308
            alien308 18 October 2020 15: 57 New
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            IL-114 - passenger. They tried to make an Il-112 out of it. I'm confusing too :)
  17. nnz226
    nnz226 15 October 2020 13: 28 New
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    What a sadness to the Germans from this plane ?! Tea, not a new strategic bomber make ...
  18. garik77
    garik77 15 October 2020 19: 22 New
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    It looks like Antonov designers and engineers were taken to the Russian Federation
  19. ermak124.0
    ermak124.0 15 October 2020 23: 30 New
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    m l i .., three (!) years ....!
  20. Russian2020
    Russian2020 17 October 2020 23: 09 New
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    Who is there again what is pressing, the Germans were not asked at all