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"Ensuring peace in the Black Sea-Azov region": Ukraine and Turkey will sign a military agreement

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Ukrainian Defense Minister Andriy Taran made a statement that the draft Ukrainian-Turkish military agreement was approved.

According to Taran, this document is planned to be signed during the visit of President Vladimir Zelensky to Turkey. The trip is scheduled for October 15th. Zelensky's visit will last three days.

Andriy Taran said that the Ukrainian-Turkish agreement will create "the necessary legal basis for long-term cooperation between the two countries in the field of defense."

In this cooperation, according to the head of the defense department of Ukraine, more than two dozen "fundamentally new directions" will additionally be present. Taran did not say what specific directions it was.



Meanwhile, Ukrainian experts say that among the areas of cooperation are interaction between the Ukrainian and Turkish navies in the Black Sea, as well as training and advanced training of Ukrainian servicemen at Turkish military bases "according to NATO standards." What Turkish "NATO standards" are meant - training of militants and their transfer to conflict zones?

Ram:

The new treaty will reflect the strategic nature of the partnership and mutual commitment to ensuring peace in the Black Sea-Azov region.

According to the Minister of Defense of Ukraine, such an agreement will help both countries to strengthen "regional security."
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  1. Same lech
    Same lech 14 October 2020 06: 54
    13
    Let's see what they sign there ... and so all this fuss clearly fits into the creation of hotbeds of tension on the borders of Russia ... the Turks can supply their drones to Svidomo ... what will follow in the LPR is not difficult to predict.
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 14 October 2020 06: 58
      10
      "Ensuring peace in the Black Sea-Azov region": Ukraine and Turkey will sign a military agreement
      Ukrainian experts say that among the areas of cooperation is the interaction of the Ukrainian and Turkish navies on the Black Sea


      Obviously, there are intentions to divide the spheres of influence in the Black Sea, and of course without taking into account the "third force" - Russia and its Black Sea Fleet ...
      1. The comment was deleted.
      2. hydrox
        hydrox 14 October 2020 13: 48
        +3
        The most interesting thing is that the entire chapter on the access of Turks to the Sea of ​​Azov will be boldly crossed out with a red felt-tip pen
      3. paul3390
        paul3390 14 October 2020 17: 25
        +2
        And on this occasion, let us sell the latest weapons to the Turks, send an extra couple of million tourists, build another nuclear power plant for free? After all, this is what our native guarantor is doing in response to all the Ottoman mischief?
    2. Insurgent
      Insurgent 14 October 2020 07: 03
      +6
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      Turks can supply their drones to Svidomo ... it is not difficult to predict what will follow in the LPNR.

      The Outskirts had 6 Bayraktars and 2 control stations. I write "it was" because they successfully crashed one UAV during training.
      But now they have intentions to receive up to 46 UAVs from Turkey.
      And in the context of all this unmanned hype, it is important to note that Zaporozhye aircraft engine plants are actively involved in the Bayraktar production program, and a joint heavy strike UAV is being developed ...
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 14 October 2020 07: 10
        +7
        it is important to note that the aircraft engine factories of Zaporozhye are actively involved in the production program of "Bayraktars" and a joint heavy strike UAV is being developed ...

        Presumably svidomye intend to use the experience of the war in Nagorno-Karabakh in an attack on the LPR ... is the LPR army ready for such a scenario of war?
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 14 October 2020 07: 18
          13
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          Presumably svidomye intend to use the experience of the war in Nagorno-Karabakh in an attack on the LPR ... is the LPR army ready for such a scenario of war?

          According to the information I have, we, alas, are not ready for the massive and competent use of UAVs.

          Of the entire air defense arsenal, we have the original without modernization "OSA-AKM", the same "Strela 10" and an arsenal of various MANPADS.

          There are apparently a number of electronic warfare units, information on which is of course closed, and there remains confidence-hope for the firmness of Putin's words that in the event of an attempt to resolve the conflict by force, the Outskirts will cease to exist ...
          1. Same lech
            Same lech 14 October 2020 07: 21
            +1
            and there remains confidence-hope for the firmness of Putin's words

            It's bad ... suddenly Putin will change his mind ... he is still a politician ... and you have nothing in this case to protect yourself from a massive raid of attack drones.
          2. Interlocutor
            Interlocutor 14 October 2020 13: 39
            -1
            Yes Yes . We will all die .. Of course.
            "Massive use of UAVs" wink
            1. Same lech
              Same lech 15 October 2020 09: 10
              0
              Yes Yes . We will all die .. Of course.
              "Massive use of UAVs"

              We will die of course ... if we do nothing. smile Yugoslavia died after the massive use of NATO aircraft ... and we are still in 1941 because of the frivolous attitude towards the enemy.
        2. Dikson
          Dikson 14 October 2020 12: 06
          0
          We must assume that Sevastopol and Crimea as a whole should also prepare .. Talking about the collapse of the aircraft and missile industry in Ukraine is one thing, but the possibility of joint production or screwdriver assembly of the same Israeli or Turkish UAVs is another ..
          1. businessv
            businessv 14 October 2020 22: 43
            -1
            Quote: Dikson
            We must assume that Sevastopol and Crimea as a whole should also prepare.
            Ready for a long time!
          2. Seaflame
            Seaflame 15 October 2020 13: 05
            +1
            For Sevastopol and Crimea, you can be calm (which does not negate the importance of having developed air defense, electronic warfare, BRAV, and naval ships there). But for Donbass it is much more alarming. Erdogan is finally getting impudent, it is high time to put the bastard in place.
      2. CSKA
        CSKA 14 October 2020 09: 36
        -2
        Quote: Insurgent
        But now they have intentions to receive up to 46 UAVs from Turkey.

        It seems that someone wrote that the cost of one bayraktar is 30-40 million. It turns out that they then need almost 2 billion dollars. Where will they find them interesting ?! But in general, this is not good. We have only the Strela-10 air defense system and the Osa air defense system, plus MANPADS. As the recent battles in NK have shown, these are not very effective complexes.
        1. Holgerton
          Holgerton 14 October 2020 09: 48
          +8
          The cost of one Baytraktar TB2 is estimated at ~ $ 5-6 million, but a control station for 3 UAVs costs more - ~ $ 16-18 million. And in light of the fact that Ukaina will receive a localized version, in exchange for the localization of its ATGMs in Turkey, the cost will clearly not amount to $ 2 billion, as you indicated, according to recent information, the deal has already taken place.
          Turkey has generally settled well over the past decade.
          1. CSKA
            CSKA 14 October 2020 14: 19
            -2
            Quote: Holgerton
            the cost of one Baytraktar TB2 is estimated at ~ $ 5-6 million

            Are you saying that the cost is less than a tank?
            1. Holgerton
              Holgerton 14 October 2020 19: 44
              +1
              Only the AMX-5 Leclerc and K6 cost $ 56-2 million, and perhaps the latest modifications of the Leopard 2, if you measure the cost of a tank according to the most expensive models, then there are even air defense systems and OTRK steam SPUs, which cost less than a tank.
              Are you so surprised at the price of one UAV? There is not something super-expensive, not the most powerful engine, not the most expensive glider, except that the OELS and control system are quite advanced, but even they cannot raise the cost one UAVs up to $ 30-40 million.
              Most likely you accepted the cost of one complex (1 control station, 3 UAVs) for the cost of one UAV.
            2. Oquzyurd
              Oquzyurd 15 October 2020 14: 25
              0
              For the Turkish army, Bayraktar TV2 costs about $ 3 million.
          2. maktub
            maktub 14 October 2020 18: 17
            +1
            Localization in Ukraine will reduce the cost by up to 30%, and it is also allowed to make changes to the UAV project
        2. Insurgent
          Insurgent 14 October 2020 09: 52
          0
          Quote: CSKA
          the cost of one bayraktar is 30-40 million. It then turns out that they need almost 2 billion dollars. Where will they get them interesting?

          On credit, everything on credit ...
          Quote: CSKA
          We have only the Strela-10 air defense system and the Osa air defense system, plus MANPADS. As the recent battles in NK have shown, these are not very effective complexes.

          As additional information for thought, there is evidence that in 2017-18 the Outskirts had intentions to purchase kamikaze drones from Poland.
          To what extent were these intentions realized then, and whether the ex-Ukraine has such UAVs - request
      3. Holgerton
        Holgerton 14 October 2020 09: 53
        +1
        And when was this UAV lost? Do you have a link to any photo / video confirmation?
        Not to reproach you, just for the sake of interest, since I did not find it on LostArmour, but there is no information on the network.
      4. venik
        venik 14 October 2020 15: 24
        0
        Quote: Insurgent
        And in the context of all this unmanned hype, it is important to note that Zaporozhye aircraft engine plants are actively involved in the Bayraktar production program, and a joint heavy strike UAV is being developed ...

        ========
        And what aircraft engine factories are there in Zaporozhye besides Motor Sich? And that's as far as is known by small DVZ not involved - only with turbines!
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 14 October 2020 17: 33
          0
          Quote: venik
          And what aircraft engine factories are there in Zaporozhye besides Motor Sich?

          At least from large - SE "ZAPOROZHYE MACHINE-BUILDING DESIGN BUREAU" PROGRESS "NAMED AFTER ACADEMICIAN A.G. IVCHENKO.
          Plus small subcontractors.
          1. venik
            venik 14 October 2020 18: 00
            -1
            Quote: Insurgent
            SE "ZAPOROZHYE MACHINE-BUILDING DESIGN BUREAU" PROGRESS "NAMED AFTER ACADEMICIAN A.G. IVCHENKO.

            ========
            This is just the Design Bureau of the Progress plant (collectively, it was called NPO Progress)! Just in the course of "privatization" they were divided into two legal entities: the design bureau remained state-owned, and the plant was "privatized" and renamed into "Motor Sich". And so - they are even in one place and are located (although there seem to be several sites). A friend of mine worked at KB Progress (now retired).
            ---------
            Quote: Insurgent
            Plus small subcontractors.

            ========
            And what is it serious do these "subcontractors" produce? WHICH of them can be considered an "aircraft engine" enterprise?
            1. Insurgent
              Insurgent 14 October 2020 18: 09
              +1
              Quote: venik
              And what are these "subcontractors" doing so serious?

              You formulate questions so sarcastically that it seems that you want to "catch" me on something ...
              On what basis do you, I wonder, do not believe me that a number of enterprises in Zaporozhye are in contact and cooperate in cooperation with the Turks in the field of UAV creation?

              Ukraine delivers 12 engines to Turkey for heavy attack UAVs Akinci


              And the engine for "Akinci" - Ivchenko ...


              1. venik
                venik 14 October 2020 21: 56
                -1
                Quote: Insurgent
                You formulate questions so sarcastically that it seems that you want to "catch" me on something ...

                =========
                Yes, I don't want to catch you on anything! There (in Zaporozhye) there is only Motor Sich (serial production) and its design bureau Ivchenko-Progress (with its own experimental semi-artisanal production). And these engines are AI-450 (turboprops, by the way) designed for helicopters (Ka-226), God knows when. They were abandoned, now they decided to add the UAV to the "heavyweight"! Not a good idea .....
            2. businessv
              businessv 14 October 2020 23: 02
              +1
              Quote: venik
              This is just the Design Bureau of the Progress plant

              Any design bureau has an experienced mech. a platform whose duties include the execution of KB wishes made in hardware. I don't think that Motorsich's power will be needed for the assembly of UAVs, because the Turks need the products of this enterprise, the turbines, the manufacture of which was put on stream there, and not the manufacture of low-tech internal combustion engines for their Bayraktars.
              1. venik
                venik 15 October 2020 10: 38
                +1
                Quote: businessv
                Any design bureau has an experienced mech. a platform whose duties include the execution of KB wishes made in hardware.

                =======
                Here I am about the same! drinks I know what a "pilot production" at a design bureau is! They can do EVERYTHING there! (Well, or almost "everything"). But to establish a "series" there ... No.
                Quote: businessv
                I don't think that Motorsich's power will be needed for the assembly of UAVs, because the Turks need the products of this enterprise, the turbines, the manufacture of which was put on stream there, and not the manufacture of low-tech internal combustion engines for their Bayraktars.

                ======
                In addition, neither the Ivchenko-Progress design bureau nor Motor Sich have either design experience or ICE production technologies - they develop and produce only turbines - and this is absolutely different things!
                drinks
    3. Crabong
      Crabong 15 October 2020 09: 07
      -1
      And there is nothing to predict. Have to fight. That the Turks, that these shit and shit ... It was necessary in the 14th still to slap on the head, and to put the base ...
  2. samarin1969
    samarin1969 14 October 2020 06: 56
    +1
    ABOUT! The Russian Federation has a new "brother" - "an ally! And also a transit state. We are waiting for warm handshakes with Zelensky.
    laughing laughing
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 14 October 2020 07: 04
      +7
      Yeah ... the photo is remarkable ... An attempt to combine the interests of Iran, Russia and Turkey in one handshake ... is doomed to failure ... these states have too different goals.
      1. NDR-791
        NDR-791 14 October 2020 07: 31
        +7
        No need, we'll stand aside for now. It seems like Iran launched a missile and artillery strike on Azerbaijan in response to constant border violations. I have not found an exact confirmation yet, but infa appeared last night.
        1. PSih2097
          PSih2097 14 October 2020 08: 10
          +6
          Quote: NDR-791
          No need, we'll stand aside for now. It seems like Iran launched a missile and artillery strike on Azerbaijan in response to constant border violations. I have not found an exact confirmation yet, but infa appeared last night.


          "The air defense of Iran discovered and shot down an Azerbaijani strike UAV of Israeli production IAI Harop in the morning," Re: public of Artsakh reported on Telegram.
          1. Same lech
            Same lech 14 October 2020 08: 14
            +3

            Lost to see.
            1. Insurgent
              Insurgent 14 October 2020 08: 18
              +5
              Quote: The same LYOKHA
              Lost to see.

              Or he deliberately crossed the border in order to strike at the enemy (NKR positions or equipment) from an unexpected side ...

              It is noteworthy that this is written about in LJ Colonel Cassad:

              The Iranian air defense system overwhelmed the Israeli "Harop" UAV, which was used by the Azerbaijani army in Nagorno-Karabakh.
              The UAV flew into Iranian airspace and was immediately shot down. The car fell on the territory of Iran and, accordingly, fell into the hands of the Iranians, who, in theory, can use the wreckage to study Israeli technologies for the production of kamikaze UAVs. Perhaps something useful for the Iranian UAV-kamikaze program will be recognized. In this regard, the Iranians very zealously select everything that they can get from other people's technologies and include what they have obtained in their national UAV development program, which is largely built around the creative copying and refinement of other people's technologies, which is actually allows Iran to be among the leaders in the development of military UAVs.


              The last lines about Iran's successes in the development of UAVs hit hard.

              And Russia ?
            2. Dikson
              Dikson 14 October 2020 12: 08
              0
              Is this a kamikaze? Why should he fornicate? Maybe under the guise of wanting to cover something in Iran at the border?
          2. NDR-791
            NDR-791 14 October 2020 08: 16
            +3
            About the UAV yesterday's infa. Or another one flew in. About art, too. https://yandex.ru/news/story/Republic_of_Artsakh_Iran_vpervye_nanes_udary_po_territorii_Azerbajdzhana--f12f5bca1ffe62af6052cf0c296f87d3?
          3. Petro_tut
            Petro_tut 14 October 2020 08: 40
            +3
            UAVs of Israeli production IAI Harop ",

            So he is Israeli, he is allergic to Iran, saw the Iranian flag, the program worked and flew to bomb laughing
    2. CSKA
      CSKA 14 October 2020 09: 38
      +2
      Quote: samarin1969
      The Russian Federation has a new "brother" - "an ally!

      The fact that one president shook hands with another and that Turkey is our trading partner does not mean that they are becoming our allies.
    3. maktub
      maktub 14 October 2020 18: 20
      0
      You are already removing sanctions from three enterprises
  3. parusnik
    parusnik 14 October 2020 07: 02
    +4
    Russia needs to join this agreement .. laughing
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 14 October 2020 07: 07
      +4
      Quote: parusnik
      Russia needs to join this agreement ..

      In Sinop ...
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 14 October 2020 07: 28
        +8
        The S-400 has been delivered, the gas pipeline has been installed, the nuclear power plant is being completed, and more cheap Turkish goods are in Syria, we are patrolling together. Russia-Turkey are sisters forever. laughing A military agreement to ensure peace in the Black Sea-Azov region would not hurt. And you are Sinop. laughing
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 14 October 2020 07: 36
          +7
          Quote: parusnik
          In Syria, we patrol together.

          That's what, and "joint patrols"the territory of the SAR, squeezed by Turkey, and which has become significant help Russian diplomacy, impressed by many yes .

          It is obvious that, not least of all, the leadership of Syria, which at the moment is de facto faced with the prospect of a war with Turkey for its territories ...
    2. ioan-e
      ioan-e 14 October 2020 09: 06
      +2
      Quote: parusnik
      join.. laughing

      You somehow completely incorrectly wrote the word "lead" hi
    3. hydrox
      hydrox 14 October 2020 13: 59
      0
      Yesterday's very strong blow to the Turks (barmaley?) In the Azeri territory suggests that the correct understanding of our general policy is available, incl. and Turkey's non-inclusion in the NKR negotiating team (that's right, we will sort it out on our post-Soviet territory ourselves).
      Now I would not lose it ...
  4. figwam
    figwam 14 October 2020 07: 05
    +7
    training and advanced training of Ukrainian military personnel at Turkish military bases

    A disgrace, they have already fallen under the Turks.
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 14 October 2020 07: 10
      0
      Quote: figvam
      A disgrace, they have already fallen under the Turks.

      And sho them, get used to?
    2. nnm
      nnm 14 October 2020 07: 12
      +4
      Mnogostanochniki, seer!
      A country with low social responsibility went from hand to hand ... and not only.
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 14 October 2020 07: 33
        +2
        They are multi-stationers, but who are we? After the delivery of the S-400, the construction of a gas pipeline, a nuclear power plant, a joint patrol in Syria, an abandoned bride after their wedding night, or all of the above, just business and nothing personal? laughing
        1. nnm
          nnm 14 October 2020 07: 50
          +1
          Well, for us it is at least financially beneficial. And what does this give Ukraine?
          1. parusnik
            parusnik 14 October 2020 08: 08
            +1
            Well, for us it is at least financially beneficial.
            ... as in a joke: there are three women with low social responsibility in the house, but there is nothing to eat ...
            And what does this give Ukraine?
            ... For free, for preferences .. But we, for financial gain .. And it turns out, they are multi-station, free, and we are only for the currency .. What's the difference ..? laughing Turkey has two Natasha, one is free, the other is paid ..
            1. nnm
              nnm 14 October 2020 08: 11
              +2
              Sorry, but somehow you are illogical .... how can you compare the situation when non-brothers "lay down and ask" and ordinary trade. Thus, any country is "Natasha" for someone. Turkey - for its tomatoes and tourism - "Natasha", etc.
              1. parusnik
                parusnik 14 October 2020 08: 51
                +5
                Possibly. But this agreement is directed against Russia. Okay, Ukraine we have a war with her, to which Russia is not ... But Turkey, which we supply high-tech equipment, as written below (fig (Sergey)) and what I indicated above. .And it turns out, we are developing the Turkish economy, so that it would conclude agreements against Russia .. It is clear, Ukraine is multi-station, and then who are we in this case? Business and nothing personal?
                1. nnm
                  nnm 14 October 2020 08: 53
                  -1
                  But in this case, the same is true in our direction - we receive money for the development of our economy, plus we add Turkey to service by our specialists ...
                  1. parusnik
                    parusnik 14 October 2020 09: 15
                    +4
                    And in response, a military agreement directed against Russia ... Several years ago, when relations between Russia and Turkey reached their peak, many also wrote how NATO would fall apart, how Turkey would be accepted by the CSTO, like Turkey, on the hook from Russia, they wrote a lot of joy. ..Yeah .. and when relations reach a crisis, and this will happen .. recall the specialists, turn off the nuclear power plant, cut off the gas, stop buying tomatoes .. And Turkey, paws to the top .. and "Vanya, I am yours forever" (c)
                    1. nnm
                      nnm 14 October 2020 09: 24
                      0
                      Well, what are you just writing about Turkey then? The USA, the EU, etc. - and they imposed sanctions on us, and we are at war with them in third countries - and nothing, and they trade with us perfectly, and we are with them.
                      1. parusnik
                        parusnik 14 October 2020 11: 42
                        +4
                        Turkey is closer to me, I live in the Azov-Black Sea region. And then an article about the Turkish-Ukrainian agreement, and not the Ukrainian-American agreement or another about ensuring security in the Azov-Black Sea region. Oh, just don't talk about sanctions ... because of the sanctions, the rich get richer, and the poor get poorer.
            2. Petro_tut
              Petro_tut 14 October 2020 08: 43
              +4
              Turkey has two "Natasha", one free, the second paid.

              Amendment, the second gives on credit laughing
          2. Dikson
            Dikson 14 October 2020 12: 15
            +1
            What does it bring us, forgive me ?? The gas pipeline was built at their own expense, so it is empty ...) Turkish refineries do not want to take our fuel for processing .. We are building a nuclear power plant .. joint patrols in Syria .. In Dagestan and Chechnya, joint patrols would not have to be carried out .. - your friend , Erdogan, Barmaleev has already given a ride .. financial benefit .. well, of course .. the amount of payments to widows is much less than the money received from "friendship" with the Turks ..
        2. figwam
          figwam 14 October 2020 08: 21
          +1
          Quote: parusnik
          They are multi-stationers, but who are we?

          You are confusing something, Turkey buys high-tech equipment from us, which it cannot create and produce.
        3. Mountain shooter
          Mountain shooter 14 October 2020 08: 24
          +2
          Quote: parusnik
          a power plant, a patrolling joint in Syria, an abandoned bride after their wedding night, or all of the above, just business and nothing personal?

          Yes, and a bus in Ankara with Turkish pilots on February 17, 2016. 26 dead, including 24 pilots, one of them, (according to rumors) the one who knocked down our dryer ... either the Kurds or the Islamists ... yeah ... about "... they won't get off with tomatoes ... "does everyone remember? Forgot? And the Turks DIDN'T FORGET ... Well, not everything is as simple as it seems at first glance. They (the Turks) will all try Russia from all sides to the teeth ... And Russia will also ... try. Are we going to use in our "analyzes" the fact that the media is implanted in our brain?
          1. Essex62
            Essex62 14 October 2020 12: 16
            0
            The legend of the beautiful knights who give a turnover. Kurds, and who else. Do you accuse the Russian authorities of terrorism?
            1. Mountain shooter
              Mountain shooter 14 October 2020 16: 33
              0
              Quote: Essex62
              Kurds, and who else. Do you accuse the Russian authorities of terrorism?

              God forbid ... Not a single thought! There were still not enough Putin's business cards at the blast site ... wassat
              1. Essex62
                Essex62 14 October 2020 18: 31
                0
                That's right. Although they have a bus in tatters, that a beginner in murloanal, everything is one. Sanctions, sanctions, sanctions.
        4. hydrox
          hydrox 14 October 2020 14: 05
          +2
          And what is especially bad you see?
          The nuclear power plant is frozen, the Potok is empty, the Sultan has been pushed away from the negotiations on the Caucasus, we will hardly let him into the Sea of ​​Azov, the allocation of land in the Crimea has practically ceased, his demands on the NKR have been ignored - so we'll take a look.
  5. aszzz888
    aszzz888 14 October 2020 07: 17
    0
    Ukraine and Turkey will sign a military agreement
    Two boots - a pair ... on one leg. laughing
  6. Dimonst
    Dimonst 14 October 2020 07: 27
    +1
    The appetites of the Turkish "partners" are growing and progressing. Alas, this is upsetting. Such rates..
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 14 October 2020 07: 46
      +2
      Quote: DimonSt
      The appetites of the Turkish "partners" are growing and progressing. Alas, this is upsetting. Such rates..


      Alas, there is no Count Suvorov.

      1. iouris
        iouris 14 October 2020 14: 24
        0
        Quote: Insurgent
        Alas, there is no Count Suvorov.

        Is Catherine II straight?
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 14 October 2020 14: 29
          +1
          Quote: iouris
          Is Catherine II straight?


          These words were spoken by Suvorov already under Paul I ...
  7. askort154
    askort154 14 October 2020 07: 42
    +6
    The new treaty will reflect the strategic nature of the partnership and mutual commitment to ensuring peace in the Black Sea-Azov region.

    The Montreux Convection, adopted by the UN in 1936 and updated in 1994, does not contain
    definitions - "Black Sea-Azov region". There is a "Black Sea region" with a specific listing of countries. The definition of "Black Sea-Azov" was invented by Ukraine and persistently voiced it at all sites in order to lure NATO members into the Sea of ​​Azov. Turkey is interested in this itself, and is attracting Ukraine to this.
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 14 October 2020 08: 46
      0
      Quote: askort154
      Turkey is interested in this itself, and is attracting Ukraine to this.


      Are Ukrainian leaders stupid and incurious? Turkey that gave up its territories of the former type of Odessa and Nikolaev regions?
      1. maktub
        maktub 14 October 2020 18: 29
        -1
        Forgotten Crimea?
  8. Pavel57
    Pavel57 14 October 2020 07: 52
    -1
    Preparing for the next Crimean War?
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 14 October 2020 08: 14
      +1
      Quote: Pavel57
      Preparing for the next Crimean War?

      no, the Black Sea is too small for a war, and to meddle there during military operations is pure suicide (at the present time, when It is being shot up and down) ...
    2. cniza
      cniza 14 October 2020 08: 20
      +3
      Quote: Pavel57
      Preparing for the next Crimean War?


      Erdogan has many plans for both Caucasian and Balkan ...
    3. Ros 56
      Ros 56 14 October 2020 08: 27
      +1
      I don’t think we don’t have the time and opportunity to pull such a strap, there must be a very short and powerful action.
      1. cniza
        cniza 14 October 2020 08: 52
        +1
        You propose to eliminate Erdogan, I mean from the authorities, and who will come?
        1. Ros 56
          Ros 56 14 October 2020 08: 55
          -1
          Why, he just needs to create a lot of problems in the domestic political field, so that he does not know what to grab onto.
          1. cniza
            cniza 14 October 2020 12: 18
            +2
            Yes, he has enough of them, but he manages everywhere, but it would not be bad to strangle economically ...
  9. Keyser soze
    Keyser soze 14 October 2020 08: 06
    +4
    The Turks have excellent relations with Ukraine, Georgia, with Azerbaijan and, in general, took over the command in full. This is not a bell .... it sounds like a bell.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 14 October 2020 08: 17
      0
      And also with Pakistan (main partner in military-technical cooperation), Qatar and Indonesia wink
    2. cniza
      cniza 14 October 2020 08: 19
      +2
      This is really already an alarm bell, but Erdogan is pursuing his interests and Ukraine, Georgia and Azerbaijan will not like them very much when Turkey designates them.
      1. Keyser soze
        Keyser soze 14 October 2020 08: 38
        +4
        Erdogan pursues his own interests and Ukraine, Georgia and Azerbaijan will not like them very much when Turkey identifies them.


        This is 100%. The existence, today, of Georgia and Armenia depends only on Moscow. The Turks will tear them apart and cut them out to the maximum. And then they will look to the North. So you won't like it either.
        1. cniza
          cniza 14 October 2020 08: 51
          +4
          If we remain silent and do not stop Erdogan, you are also next in line, and maybe even before us ...
          1. Keyser soze
            Keyser soze 14 October 2020 08: 58
            +3
            If we remain silent and do not stop Erdogan, you are also next in line, and maybe even before us ...


            Oh yeah. There are no illusions on this. In a conversation with Pavlos here, I hoped that our governments see it. We and the Greeks have two useful moves - arm themselves to the teeth (both countries are already doing this) and revive the Balkan Union - Bulgaria, Greece, Serbia. I don't really believe in NATO.
            1. V1er
              V1er 14 October 2020 10: 36
              +1
              Take Russia to the Balkan Union laughing We will reap the Turks together) And then maybe Poland will be divided again)
              1. Keyser soze
                Keyser soze 14 October 2020 11: 15
                +3
                Take Russia to the Balkan Union laughing Let's reap the Turks together)


                When you become a RF Prize, and I - Bulgaria, we will find a common language in 4 milliseconds. Until then, we are ruled by narrow-minded types, and you have such preoccupied ones and nothing can be done ... laughing
                1. Essex62
                  Essex62 14 October 2020 13: 02
                  +2
                  Money rules both you and us. They have their own priorities and their own rationality. That to a normal person it seems logical and correct for a "fat cat" is wild. They are guided by the interests of their own power and wanted to spit on the interests of the nation. You won't do anything, even when you become prime minister.
            2. cniza
              cniza 14 October 2020 12: 21
              +4
              Quote: Keyser Soze
              I don't really believe in NATO.


              This is correct, especially since Turkey is there ...
  10. cniza
    cniza 14 October 2020 08: 14
    +4
    "Ensuring peace in the Black Sea-Azov region": Ukraine and Turkey will sign a military agreement


    No, Erdogan will not calm down so easily, he will grind until you stop him ...
  11. iouris
    iouris 14 October 2020 14: 23
    0
    "Agreement" can only be that the South of the former Russian Empire is Turkey.
  12. Adimius38
    Adimius38 14 October 2020 18: 36
    0
    And you buy more Turkish tomatoes, Vladimir Vladimirovich. The NATO country, which insolently climbed into the zone of Russian interests, is now not going to grow flowers at our southern gates, but to create another hotbed of tension.
  13. Diviz
    Diviz 14 October 2020 19: 49
    +1
    Don't know why we are playing this Trojan horse. There is no clear position within the country on this anacon
    de. We turned on the satellites and we look and someone comes and the switch turns off the power.
  14. Rage66
    Rage66 14 October 2020 22: 26
    0
    The Turks are overestimating their strength ... Syria, Libya, Karabakh ...
    I generally keep quiet about my Kurds ... what
  15. Butchcassidy
    Butchcassidy 15 October 2020 13: 09
    0
    Rare banter. "Ukraine and Turkey" and "Peacekeeping" are an oxymoron.
  16. svoit
    svoit 15 October 2020 14: 37
    0
    Quote: CSKA
    Where will they get them interesting?

    So Gazprom will pay and even stay