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Whatever hardships befell the domestic economy in connection with the coronavirus pandemic and other world problems, Russians are definitely not in danger of hunger. The results of the harvesting campaign, which the agrarians of our country are almost completing, allow us to speak about this with all confidence.


As the head of the Russian Ministry of Agriculture Dmitry Patrushev said at the end of last month, even though the spring field work had to be carried out by the village workers in the midst of the pandemic, 100 hectares were sown more than last year. As for the rates of harvesting the cultivated and the level of yield, they, according to the minister, "significantly exceed last year's level."

I must say that initially the Ministry of Agriculture's forecasts for the current harvest were rather cautious: it was about expectations of 122 million tons of grain. Somewhat later, in accordance with the updated realities, the bar was raised to 125 million. It was expected to be the second largest harvest in the entire history Russia (so far the maximum achievement remains 135,5 million tons collected in 2017), however, as far as we know from the most recent statistics, this volume has already been exceeded.

By October 3, 2020, cereals and legumes have already been threshed on an area of ​​almost 45 million hectares, which is 93,3% of the total sown area. Not 125, but all 128,8 million tons of grain were sent to the bins, the yield of which was 28,8 centners per hectare. Most likely, the estimates voiced by Patrushev for a harvest of 82 million tons of wheat alone will also be exceeded, which will allow farmers to report on "overlapping" last year's level by at least 7-8 million tons.

The Ministry of Agriculture expects no less success in other areas of the supervised industry. Oilseeds and potatoes, so valued by all of us, are predicted to be harvested at least 22 million tons. The vegetable harvest should surpass the level of 14 million tons, of which one million and a quarter will come from greenhouses. According to Mr. Patrushev, such a result will be achieved for the first time.

Even the drought, which hit the South of the country and some regions of the Urals this year, failed to spoil the picture. Poor crop production there is more than compensated for by an increase in yield by more than 70% in the central regions of Russia and in the Volga region. All this, of course, will allow not only to fully meet the country's domestic needs for food and agricultural products, but also to count on considerable profits from its sale abroad. The Ministry of Agriculture, even before exceeding expectations, spoke about the planned grain export of 45 million tons, of which 35 million will come from wheat.

Without a doubt, to a large extent, the success of domestic farmers is facilitated by their complete provision with everything necessary to obtain such high yields: mineral fertilizers, agricultural machinery and others. In this regard, one cannot but mention the promise made by the head of the Russian government, Mikhail Mishustin, to the workers of the Rostselmash plant during his visit on October 2 this year.

While touring a number of regions of the country as part of familiarization with the results of the harvesting campaign, in Rostov-on-Don, the prime minister voiced the authorities' intentions to continue to provide financial support to domestic producers of agricultural machinery. This year its amount is quite impressive - 14 billion rubles, 4 of which are allocated to Rostselmash. All in all, according to Mishustin, state investments in support of the agro-industrial sector amount to 280 billion rubles.

Well, the concrete effect of these investments is obvious. The high and even record results demonstrated by Russian farmers for the fourth year in a row indicate that this industry in our country is developing in the right direction.
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  1. New Year day
    New Year day 14 October 2020 18: 02 New
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    The harvest is good, and the bread sells shit. And more expensive request
    1. credo
      credo 14 October 2020 18: 09 New
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      Quote: Silvestr
      The harvest is good, and the bread sells shit. And more expensive request

      Crappy bread is not because the grain is bad, although the producers do not deny themselves this, but because so many different "ingredients" are added to the bread that bread from real bread, which should be useful, turns into another chemical product stuffed with all sorts of rubbish.
      I really miss old Soviet bread and what I had to eat in the village when many baked it themselves.
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      2. New Year day
        New Year day 14 October 2020 18: 18 New
        +2
        Quote: credo
        because so many different "ingredients are added to the bread

        So the question is why?
        1. credo
          credo 14 October 2020 18: 24 New
          18
          Quote: Silvestr
          Quote: credo
          because so many different "ingredients are added to the bread

          So the question is why?

          The answer to the question is simple - capitalism and profit in any way, as the apotheosis of life in such conditions.
          Having stuffed bread with a variety of shit, manufacturers save on a lot of useful products, such as butter, and sell their "product" for the price of a quality product.
          1. New Year day
            New Year day 14 October 2020 18: 30 New
            -2
            Quote: credo
            The answer to the question is simple - capitalism and profit

            I think that is not entirely true. Nobody will buy such bread from "decaying" people and the bourgeois will fly into the pipe. I brought food from Finland from a regular store - excuse me request
            The wife does not drink milk, but Finnish is very vulgar.
            Something to see in our conservatory request
            1. credo
              credo 14 October 2020 18: 38 New
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              Quote: Silvestr
              Quote: credo
              The answer to the question is simple - capitalism and profit

              I think that is not entirely true. Nobody will buy such bread from "decaying" people and the bourgeois will fly into the pipe. I brought food from Finland from a regular store - excuse me request
              The wife does not drink milk, but Finnish is very vulgar.
              Something to see in our conservatory request

              You usually buy pasteurized milk in local stores, i.e. restored from dry, which is brought from no one knows where. And why? Because at one time, when the USSR was destroyed, the dairy herd was put under the knife by reformers and liberals. The recovery of this herd is still very far away, so Patrushev's son can invest there the income from the sale of grain abroad.
              By the way, I buy milk in the village and Finnish, compared to it, just water.
              1. New Year day
                New Year day 14 October 2020 18: 40 New
                +3
                Quote: credo
                the dairy herd was put under the knife by the reformers and the liberals.

                What are we talking about
                Quote: credo
                Patrushev's son can invest

                He has already invested, he drowned a mine in Yakutia with diamonds
                Quote: credo
                I buy milk in the village

                It's good when there is such an opportunity
                1. swan49
                  swan49 15 October 2020 00: 04 New
                  +9
                  He has already invested, he drowned a mine in Yakutia with diamonds
                  -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------
                  This was done by the son of Sergei Borisovich Ivanov, Sergei Sergeevich Ivanov, the president of Alros.
              2. Mikhail m
                Mikhail m 14 October 2020 20: 11 New
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                Quote: credo
                buy pasteurized milk, i.e. recovered from dry

                Pasteurized and reconstituted milk are completely different songs.
              3. Avior
                Avior 14 October 2020 21: 55 New
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                sorry, but pasteurized is not reconstituted, but pasteurized - heated according to a special scheme in order to increase the shelf life.
                As for the wife, many adults do not digest lactose well, the Finns know how to remove it in a special way
                The membrane filtration technology, developed by Valio in 2001, makes it possible to obtain a product with a lactose content of less than 0,01% [4]. The main stage of the process is ultrafiltration on the membrane, as a result of which part of the lactose is removed from the milk, only then the lactase enzyme is added, which removes the remains of lactose, while the sweetness of the final product is not so pronounced, since the concentration of lactose at the hydrolysis stage is already reduced.
              4. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 14 October 2020 22: 01 New
                +7
                Quote: credo
                pasteurized milk, i.e. recovered from dry

                pasteurized milk not necessarily reconstituted from powdered milk
                Pasteurization - the process of destruction of vegetative forms of microorganisms (except for thermophilic) in liquid media, food products by a single and short heating to temperatures below 100 ° C
                but the dry must be pasteurized
                Powdered milk is a soluble powder obtained by drying normalized pasteurized cow's milk
              5. Kapral Alphych
                Kapral Alphych 15 October 2020 04: 03 New
                +7
                Because at one time, when the USSR was destroyed, the dairy herd was put under the knife by reformers and liberals.
                - this, by the way, is one more reason for the current "over-harvest". Many people like to blame the USSR for buying wheat abroad, but for some reason they forget that the Soviets and one of the largest milking herds in the world were fed.
                1. your1970
                  your1970 16 October 2020 17: 22 New
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                  Quote: Kapral Alphich
                  but for some reason they forget that the Soviets and one of the largest milking herds in the world were fed.
                  In fact, cows are given crushed grain and mixed fodder, compared to pigs, the consumption of grain for cows is nothing.
                  Quote: Kapral Alphich
                  this, incidentally, is another reason for the current "over-harvest".
                  -the reasons for these over-yields was that in the Trans-Volga region they stopped stealing grain from collective farms. It now has an owner, but not like before "A liter for a bunker" ... there were 60 yards on the street, everywhere there were pigs and cows - 60 bunkers stolen were not included in the statistics of the USSR ... and there were about 70 such streets only in our village ... and so on throughout the country ...
                  And it turned out that those super harvests that were once collected in the USSR in good years are now common even in dry years (such as this one)
                  1. Kapral Alphych
                    Kapral Alphych 17 October 2020 15: 50 New
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                    Can you name the composition of crushed and mixed feed? I will answer for you - what is a lot, then they crush! Wheat, buckwheat, oats, soy. A lot of wheat - they crush it. There were many of them in the Union.
                    the reasons for these overharvests was that collective farm grain was no longer stolen from us in the Trans-Volga region
                    - so it turns out, there was even more wheat! If they hadn't stolen ...
                    And it turned out that those super harvests that were once collected in the USSR in good years are now common even in dry years.
                    - It would be ridiculous if agro-science and agricultural technology had achieved the opposite result in 30 years.
                    But, in general, the overall situation in agriculture in recent years is pleasing to the eye. But the villages and villages bend one after another. Previously, whatever one may say, the state farms carried practically all the social burden in the countryside - from the construction of houses, schools, roads and monuments, dams, recreation areas. Now, even if part of this load is placed on the shoulders of local agricultural firms, half will jump into the loop in six months, and the other in a year.
                    1. your1970
                      your1970 17 October 2020 19: 13 New
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                      Quote: Kapral Alphich
                      A lot of wheat - they crush it. There were many of them in the Union.

                      Quote: Kapral Alphich
                      so it turns out, there was even more wheat! If not for stealing ..

                      - according to my estimates, we had harvests in the USSR at least twice as much- from the one shown in the statistics, or even more. Not only theft is also the harboring of crops by the chairmen - who had to fulfill the plan by 101,2%, no more, because if more, then next year they will get an increased plan. So they hid it .... At least twice I saw how grain was poured into ravines from collective farm warehouses and covered with earthy soil ... apparently there was too much surplus ...
                      Quote: Kapral Alphich
                      it would be ridiculous if agro-science and agricultural technology had achieved the opposite result in 30 years.
                      - ours do not use either one or the other. Seed grain is expensive - ours practically do not buy, the fields are changed and sown with other crops - yes
                      1. Kapral Alphych
                        Kapral Alphych 18 October 2020 09: 36 New
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                        Yes, the men also said that they underestimated the indicators. And even now they do so - if you say that there is a lot of harvest, buyers immediately drop the price. We do it in Amurka with soybeans. And there are other subtleties with deceiving everyone and everything
            2. bk316
              bk316 14 October 2020 19: 15 New
              +8
              I brought food from Finland from a regular store -

              Well, just bread, there is shit ...
              As for the quality of the bread, you have already been told: we have bread of different quality, including the best in the world.
              For anyone, this has a remote relation to the topic of the article.
              1. Victorio
                Victorio 15 October 2020 09: 58 New
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                Quote: bk316
                I brought food from Finland from a regular store -

                Well, just bread is shit.
                As for the quality of the bread, you have already been told: we have bread of different quality, including the best in the world.
                For anyone, this has a remote relation to the topic of the article.

                ===
                white varieties, mostly yes. but black is not bad.
            3. Interlocutor
              Interlocutor 14 October 2020 19: 27 New
              +9
              And in my family everyone drinks our milk and goes to everyone. Yes, and good bread comes across, but yes, not cheap.
            4. Boris ⁣ Shaver
              Boris ⁣ Shaver 14 October 2020 21: 22 New
              +5
              Quote: Silvestr
              I think that is not entirely true. Nobody will buy such bread from "rotting" people and the bourgeois will fly into the pipe.

              The rotting ones do not have an oligopoly gasket between the manufacturer and the buyer in the grocery segment. And we have more and more clearly looms. As a result, friendly retail (and non-friendly retail is being aggressively squeezed out) dictates purchase prices to manufacturers and sales prices to buyers.

              Quote: Silvestr
              The wife does not drink milk, but Finnish is very vulgar.

              She's just very impressionable. It happens to women.
          2. Simargl
            Simargl 14 October 2020 19: 40 New
            +2
            Quote: credo
            By stuffing bread with a variety of shit, manufacturers save on a lot of healthy products, such as butter
            Bread? Butter? Sugar (for white), yeast, salt, water and flour. Yeast (and as a consequence - the time of the "rise" of the dough) and temperature conditions - 50% of the quality of the bread.
          3. private person
            private person 15 October 2020 19: 05 New
            0
            a lot of useful products, such as butter, and sell their "product" for the price of a quality product.


            And where would the butter come from, after all, the cows were eaten in the 90s, and they did not grow new ones in such quantities that they not only eat but also add butter to bakery products.
        2. paul3390
          paul3390 14 October 2020 18: 53 New
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          Because most of the crop is of the fodder class, which in the USSR, according to GOSTs, was not allowed in bread. Now you can. Here is the result ..

          A study of the dynamics of changes in the quality of wheat grain was carried out. According to the State Agricultural Inspectorate of the USSR and VNIIZ, in the 1988 harvest, milling wheat accounted for more than 85% in the RSFSR, in the mid-90s (1995-1996) - no more than 75%, in 2004 - 70% (data of the GHI RF ), and in 2008 we didn’t even beat the 60% mark (data from the Federal State Institution “Grain Quality Assessment Center”). At present, there is practically no production of strong wheat, and the gross yield of valuable wheat is several percent, while in the 80s more than 50% of crops were varieties of strong and valuable wheat.

          In accordance with the classification of those years, wheat of the 4th class (according to GOST 9353-85) corresponded to the 4th and 5th classes of the modern classification (GOST R 52 554-2006). It follows from this that in 1986 the grain of the 4th and 5th classes was less than 40%. And in 2004, the total volume of grain of the 4th - 5th classes amounted to 72,2% of the gross harvest of wheat. Thus, until 1985, the quality of grain in our country was improving, reaching the best indicators in 1985-1986.

          If we take the Soviet standards for the production of flour and bread, then now in Russia, according to representatives of the milling industry, the deficit of class A group A milling wheat, necessary to obtain bread flour, is 3 million tons. The rye deficit is 12%, out of the required 50 million tons, produce 5. The production of high-quality wheat is a costly and labor-intensive process, therefore the country is almost entirely a territory of risky farming and has bought high-quality wheat in countries where it is possible to harvest 2,5-2 crops per year.
          1. Vikxnumx
            Vikxnumx 15 October 2020 09: 59 New
            -1
            The production of high-quality wheat is a costly and labor-intensive process, therefore, the country is almost entirely a territory of risky farming and bought high-quality wheat in countries where it is possible to harvest 2-3 crops per year.

            Believe in fairy tales less!
            With the current development of science, it is possible to grow grain of the required class. Only the yield of the 3rd class will be lower ... The weather can slightly edit the Wishlist ...
            And for the production of feed, the 3rd class is not needed.
            Under the USSR, for the use of feed grain in the production of bread, they could easily send snow to clean up in Siberia, but now ...
            And when buying grain for the Far East in the United States and Canada in the 70s and 80s of the 20th century, the USSR greatly saved on transportation. It was not necessary to transport your grain by rail.
        3. Nitochkin
          Nitochkin 15 October 2020 02: 32 New
          +3
          Quote: Silvestr
          Quote: credo
          because so many different "ingredients are added to the bread

          So the question is why?

          Because the bulk of the grain is driven to the West for sale, like oil. Flour from the leftovers is buttered with "ingredients", it is impossible to eat store-bought bread. Even mold does not take it right away.
        4. Cottodraton
          Cottodraton 15 October 2020 04: 18 New
          +4
          This question should be asked to "businesses" why they bake shit instead of bread. As usual they save money, after all, they have nothing to go to Spain to relax ... taxed on all sides (this is sarcasm)!
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        6. smart ass
          smart ass 15 October 2020 19: 02 New
          -2
          What is not clear effective managers are to blame)))
      3. rocket757
        rocket757 14 October 2020 18: 19 New
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        Bread is different! From "rubber loaves" which smell good at first, and then pull the rubber!
        Until, quite a high-quality product of small local bakeries ... which are quite pleasant on the second and third days ... Their price is higher, yes.
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 14 October 2020 18: 25 New
          +4
          Quote: rocket757
          Their price is higher, yes.

          About 5 years ago in St. Petersburg I saw bread at 80 for the first time. Our price does not always correspond to the quality
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 14 October 2020 19: 04 New
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            That's right, but the buyer always votes with their feet! Don't like it, go to another store. We have two shops in the village and it is useless to bring city bread there, no one will take it. Local bakeries bake decent bread! But it has always been this way, as long as I can remember.
            By the way, local bread is 6-8 rubles more expensive, but it's worth it.
            The only caveat is that summer residents, fishermen, vacationers sort out bread in the summer, you can't always keep up with them!
            1. Kapral Alphych
              Kapral Alphych 15 October 2020 04: 08 New
              +6
              That's right, but the buyer always votes with their feet! Don't like it, go to another store.
              - if there is where to go! And if it's a village like mine? What they brought, then be kind, buy. No choice. Only at home, in a bread maker. But that's not it. As my aunt says, fast yeast bread is not bread.
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 15 October 2020 06: 39 New
                +1
                Circumstances are different, we are also not a city, and no one needs city bread .... it just so happened.
                And people bake bread themselves, bake DIFFERENTLY!
        2. vadson
          vadson 14 October 2020 19: 11 New
          +9
          in the Urals, they bring bread from village bakeries, it is quite decent and of several varieties the price is 25 rubles
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 14 October 2020 19: 17 New
            +3
            That's all right. The villages have always had their own bakeries, and it certainly wasn't "Doka bread"! In principle, in the city, the products of different bakeries differed in taste! Now the same thing.
            1. vadson
              vadson 14 October 2020 21: 01 New
              +2
              Quote: rocket757
              "Doka bread"

              what's this? the first time I've heard
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 14 October 2020 23: 12 New
                +1
                It was a long time ago, in the early 90's, as it was called .... a mini bakery on wheels! Bread by the type, while hot, itself asks in the mouth (enhancers, baking powder, lighting and other things in it there was a sea), as it cools down, pull the rubber, something like that! They bought and grunted it without leaving the trailer / bakery.
      4. sabakina
        sabakina 14 October 2020 18: 19 New
        +6
        Quote: credo

        Crappy bread is not because the grain is bad, although the producers do not deny themselves this, but because so many different "ingredients" are added to the bread that bread from real bread, which should be useful, turns into another chemical product stuffed with all sorts of rubbish.
        I really miss old Soviet bread and what I had to eat in the village when many baked it themselves.
        In the Soviet Union, if they did not have time to eat bread, it did not grow moldy, but stale. Right now, it's not possible at all.
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 14 October 2020 18: 34 New
          +5
          Quote: sabakina
          it was not moldy, but stale.

          Glory grew moldy, I personally remember. And in the Krasnodar Territory, in Belorechensk, after 2 days the bread became sticky inside. Everything depended on the quality of flour and compliance with technology.
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 14 October 2020 21: 06 New
            +4
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Glory grew moldy, I personally remember.

            We even had a task at school about bread mold. It didn't work out for me, my mother threw out the top where I made the mold.
            1. Nitochkin
              Nitochkin 15 October 2020 02: 36 New
              +1
              Quote: mordvin xnumx
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Glory grew moldy, I personally remember.

              We even had a task at school about bread mold. It didn't work out for me, my mother threw out the top where I made the mold.

              You made a biscuit)) And you had to put it in a Soviet bread basket, a metal one with a "visor")) For some reason, the bread in them moldy on the third day 100%.
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 15 October 2020 02: 49 New
                0
                Quote: Nitochkin
                You made a biscuit))

                No cracker, but mold. I did it for three days. Coming home, ma, where is my mold? Yes, I threw it out ... Like this ... Ma, I say, the nerd told us to do this. Well, tell me it didn't work ... request
                1. Voyager
                  Voyager 15 October 2020 18: 08 New
                  -1
                  Cool story, smiled smile
      5. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 14 October 2020 23: 32 New
        -1
        bread, by definition, cannot benefit digestion) only the coarsest of the cheapest whole-grain flour and even then there is not so much of it. the value of bread was and remains in one thing - it's nutritional value. the most affordable way to get saturated with carbohydrates. in my family they don't eat bread. even my mother just stopped buying it over the years. everything was replaced with oatmeal buckwheat and other cereals with long carbohydrates.
        1. Alanart
          Alanart 15 October 2020 00: 46 New
          -6
          Well, in addition to carbohydrates in wheat bread, 12-13 grams of protein per 100 grams of product. In rye, one and a half to two times less. For comparison, beef contains about 30 g. Another issue is that it is vegetable protein. But for a peasant who did not spoil himself with meat, it is quite a source of protein. But that's history.
          But, in fact, the quality of wheat for bread is assessed by the protein content, well, according to Soviet standards - gluten, the indicators are interrelated, but not identical. And whatever songs are sung now about "fodder grain", according to this indicator, everything was extremely and extremely bad. Much better now.
          1. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 15 October 2020 01: 13 New
            0
            protein in wheat gluten is absorbed by only 27 percent .. for example from soy 92. legumes and protein are more and better absorbed. so that in this respect bread is so-so useful. with the modern availability of products of any kind, these indicators do not matter. so I love sprouted soy salad. worth a penny. there, in addition to protein and a small amount of cc, there is also a bunch of vitamins.
        2. Vikxnumx
          Vikxnumx 15 October 2020 10: 02 New
          0
          bread, by definition, cannot benefit digestion

          Yes, just not to harm!
          And it was delicious! And always was!
      6. Voyager
        Voyager 15 October 2020 18: 05 New
        -1
        Bread is a priori not useful and harmful.
    2. Svarog
      Svarog 14 October 2020 18: 15 New
      -5
      Quote: Silvestr
      The harvest is good, and the bread sells shit. And more expensive request

      So high-quality grain goes there .. "partners" and our consumer will do it too .. Let him eat and be glad that there is still enough for food ..
      1. Interlocutor
        Interlocutor 14 October 2020 19: 28 New
        -9
        How high-quality grain goes there .. for "partners" and our consumer will do that too .. Let him eat and be glad that there is still enough for food ..

        Yes Yes . We know. Everything is bad with you. And everywhere.
        1. Thunderbringer
          Thunderbringer 14 October 2020 20: 56 New
          -4
          It's useless to talk to this Caudle. They came to this news amicably and habitually defecate furiously on the country. And they will pass by no less fiercely.
          They are carrying such a total lie that it is immediately clear - the communists.
          1. Interlocutor
            Interlocutor 14 October 2020 21: 13 New
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            It's useless to talk to this Caudle. They came to this news amicably and habitually defecate furiously on the country. And they will pass by no less fiercely.
            They carry such a total lie


            I know. Then the people come from those who spit in the mirror in the morning, seeing themselves.
            1. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker 14 October 2020 21: 32 New
              0
              Quote: Interlocutor
              It's useless to talk to this Caudle. They came to this news amicably and habitually defecate furiously on the country. And they will pass by no less fiercely.
              They carry such a total lie

              I know. Then the people come from those who spit in the mirror in the morning, seeing themselves

              Don't be discouraged, Lieutenant Golitsin.
              Cornet Obolensky, put on the medals!
              wassat
              The people frankly got drunk. Forgot how they happily drank foreign Yuppi (powder concentrate) in the 90s from poverty and despair. Like "Bush's legs" with saliva in their mouth, they pulled out of the oven.
              And now they ride to the Finnish Laaperanta for "sanctioning", sighing reverently at the sight of grub with foreign labels.
              This is the category of characters who believe that if the Germans won the Great Patriotic War, they would drink Bavarian beer ...
              lol
              They could be pitied if they did not open their mouths wide to their country.
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 14 October 2020 21: 38 New
                +6
                Quote: stalkerwalker
                drank foreign Yuppi (powder concentrate) in the 90s from poverty out of hopelessness

                What? They drank, yes ... Alcohol Royale was diluted with it ...
                Quote: stalkerwalker
                Like "Bush's legs" with saliva in their mouth, they pulled out of the oven.

                And you can also remember how our cows were plowed into the ground, so that the market for chickens would go.
              2. Interlocutor
                Interlocutor 14 October 2020 21: 50 New
                -6
                They could be pitied if they did not open their mouths wide to their country.


                I would not have regretted them then. You should never regret such people.
                1. stalkerwalker
                  stalkerwalker 14 October 2020 21: 52 New
                  -4
                  Quote: Interlocutor
                  I would not regret them then

                  Be above it.
          2. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 14 October 2020 22: 24 New
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            Quote: Thunderbringer
            They are carrying such a total lie that it is immediately clear - the communists.

            Watching TV, you understand - all lies are far from United Russia! laughing
          3. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 14 October 2020 23: 39 New
            10
            Quote: Thunderbringer
            They are carrying such a total lie that it is immediately clear - the communists.

            What grade is the grain? I plowed all the 80s with Batya on the combine, and where were you, patriot? Did you chew the rolls?
            1. Woodman
              Woodman 15 October 2020 08: 07 New
              +2
              Quote: Mordvin 3
              What grade is the grain? I plowed all the 80s with Batya on a combine

              Likewise. And I'll tell you what - the combine operator doesn't care about the grain class. The task of the harvester is to clean the field. Clean and fast. And the grain class is the concern of the agronomist.
            2. Serg65
              Serg65 15 October 2020 11: 04 New
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              Quote: Mordvin 3
              I plowed all the 80s with Batya on a combine

              And in the 80s I guarded dry-cargo ships with Argentinean grain ...
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 15 October 2020 11: 28 New
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                Quote: Serg65
                And in the 80s I guarded dry-cargo ships with Argentinean grain ...

                A lot of grain went to the cows. At least fill up with milk in the USSR. At our enterprise, they generally put several boxes on the brigade, take as many as you like. I didn’t see it, in my presence they gave out coupons, and my grandfathers told me. Yes, and fishermen ... We spent several loaves at a time for bait.
                1. Serg65
                  Serg65 15 October 2020 12: 07 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Mordvin 3
                  A lot of grain went to cows

                  Volodya, low-grade wheat is the tales of comrade SusloGO ... wheat from the Latinos went under the name Durum!
                  Quote: Mordvin 3
                  There was at least some milk in the USSR

                  what Damn, and who the hell was I then standing in line for this ... milk? By the way, and for white bread, mother raised it early ... and not far from you ... the city of Suvorov ... crying we didn't have a chemical plant ... !!!
                  Quote: Mordvin 3
                  I did not find this, when I was already given out coupons

                  In the early 70s, dad at the concrete goods plant received milk with coupons, and I carried home ..
                  .
                  Quote: Mordvin 3
                  Several loaves for groundbait

                  Whoever stood first in line, that and slippers ... the pigs were fed the same!
                  By the way, state subsidies for bread and milk reached 80%, depending on the regions.
    3. sabakina
      sabakina 14 October 2020 18: 17 New
      +2
      Quote: Silvestr
      The harvest is good, and the bread sells shit. And more expensive request

      Hi Sylvester. Recently, I stopped buying bread from a local manufacturer. LLC "Russian Bread" / Former Bakery No. 1). Well, white bread cannot be like cheese, with holes. I generally keep quiet about the taste.
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 14 October 2020 18: 20 New
        +5
        Quote: sabakina
        Recently stopped buying

        Hello Slava! It is impossible to eat bread. Although, on the other hand, the less you eat, the less your weight laughing
        But there is no satiety without him request
        But recently I was in Evpatoria - awesome bread, but with milk! And it costs less. Where is the catch?
        1. The leader of the Redskins
          The leader of the Redskins 14 October 2020 18: 31 New
          +5
          Probably, in the fact that any business needs to be done with love and uncompromisingly, and not as a temporary worker chasing profit)))
          https://youtu.be/2f75UqBcTGU
        2. Thunderbringer
          Thunderbringer 14 October 2020 20: 57 New
          -11
          Quote: Silvestr
          But recently I was in Evpatoria - awesome bread, but with milk! And it costs less. Where is the catch?

          In the head of a fighter against the regime.
          Yours have one trick for everything.
        3. Niel-le-Calais
          Niel-le-Calais 14 October 2020 23: 36 New
          0
          Quote: Silvestr
          But recently I was in Evpatoria - awesome bread, but with milk! And it costs less. Where is the catch?

          In Simferopol there is a bakery / shop opposite the market next to the Tavria University.
          The most delicious bread (besides childhood impressions, after the turn, buy a Soviet loaf and eat half while stomping home).
          I can't find this at home even in bakeries. Hunger is the best flavor additive though. And we were hungry then.
      2. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 14 October 2020 23: 35 New
        +2
        ciabatta. white bread with a bunch of holes)
        1. Bar1
          Bar1 14 October 2020 23: 46 New
          -4
          everything in this country would not be Russian.
          1. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 15 October 2020 00: 03 New
            +1
            the world is huge. what is wrong with taking the good out of it?
            1. Bar1
              Bar1 15 October 2020 00: 15 New
              +2
              Quote: carstorm 11
              the world is huge. what is wrong with taking the good out of it?

              we had good bread of our own, but we don't need someone else's.
              1. carstorm 11
                carstorm 11 15 October 2020 00: 21 New
                -2
                YOU don’t need it. it's up to you. while others need and this is also their choice. dumplings were not mentioned in Russian cuisine even once until 1820. where do you think they came from? buckwheat or jellied meat is also not a Russian invention. and there are thousands of such examples.
                1. Bar1
                  Bar1 15 October 2020 08: 57 New
                  0
                  Quote: carstorm 11
                  YOU don’t need it. it's up to you. while others need and this is also their choice. dumplings were not mentioned in Russian cuisine even once until 1820. where do you think they came from? buckwheat or jellied meat is also not a Russian invention. and there are thousands of such examples.

                  nothing you do not know, dumplings are all Russian. And about buckwheat and jellied meat, they don't even know what it is.
                  1. carstorm 11
                    carstorm 11 15 October 2020 10: 12 New
                    -1
                    google to help you. everything is there. you don't even know the history of your national cuisine.
                    1. Bar1
                      Bar1 15 October 2020 14: 24 New
                      +2
                      I know everything...
                      1. carstorm 11
                        carstorm 11 15 October 2020 14: 27 New
                        0
                        it is noticeable) buckwheat came from Greece. and jellied meat from France) well, that's it, for example)
                      2. Bar1
                        Bar1 15 October 2020 15: 43 New
                        +2
                        and from which part of france? in the south, there is not even frost to freeze the jellied meat.
                        - tea overseas master loves fresh galantine? ...
                      3. carstorm 11
                        carstorm 11 15 October 2020 15: 48 New
                        0
                        I am begging you. teach you how to use search? why argue if you can google and check everything yourself? Russian cuisine has absorbed a lot of different things. that's what it is gorgeous. and the fact that this is good is also a fact.
  2. your1970
    your1970 16 October 2020 17: 30 New
    0
    Quote: sabakina
    Well, there can't be white bread like cheese, with holes
    -maybe we made one in one collective farm ... I (7 years old) and my grandfather (56) ate it and we didn’t have enough loaves at once, it was so tasty ...
  • depressant
    depressant 14 October 2020 18: 59 New
    +3
    Yes, I remember how the loaf grew in price over the past 10 years:
    9, 12, 19, 27, 32.
    It is just right to deduce a mathematical pattern called "Row ..."
    Well, not Fourier ... Ministry of Agriculture? Or the Invisible Hand of the Market?
    And the quality is really disgusting. And the further, the worse. The sugar is shifted, the flour is inferior; the bread is crumbled the next morning. Well, not Canadian wheat. Sometimes I look at bread in a kiosk, from a small manufacturer. The wallet grumbles: "Don't even think about it!" And it also behaves at the sight of vegetable and especially fruit breakdowns, by which it is clear that this year's harvest is really notable. Hearing the grunt of my wallet, I sigh: "How do you say ..."
    1. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 14 October 2020 22: 06 New
      -2
      Quote: depressant
      Yes, I remember how the loaf grew in price over the past 10 years:
      9, 12, 19, 27, 32.
      It is just right to deduce a mathematical pattern called "Row ..."
      Well, not Fourier ... Ministry of Agriculture? Or the Invisible Hand of the Market?
      And the quality is really disgusting. And the further, the worse. The sugar is shifted, the flour is inferior; the bread is crumbled the next morning. Well, not Canadian wheat. Sometimes I look at bread in a kiosk, from a small manufacturer. The wallet grumbles: "Don't even think about it!" And it also behaves at the sight of vegetable and especially fruit breakdowns, by which it is clear that this year's harvest is really notable. Hearing the grunt of my wallet, I sigh: "How do you say ..."

      Judging by the way you persistently overcome the pricing for your favorite loaf from 9 to 32 rubles, is this comparable to the situation from the story about how the mouse pricked, cried, but continued to gnaw a cactus? Now there are a lot of opportunities to realize their desires, including in the field of self-sufficiency in bread, through the purchase of the same household bread machine. Ingredients are available, time permits - baked themselves, praised themselves (or swore)! At the exit, a "home-grown" loaf will come out cheaper than this "through a purse grumble" bread purchased. request
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 14 October 2020 23: 44 New
        +1
        Did you bake it yourself? What are you talking about, in general?
      2. Stas157
        Stas157 15 October 2020 07: 37 New
        +4
        Quote: Nyrobsky
        through the acquisition of the same household bread maker[B] [/ b]

        There is another bread. Yeast. For half a year I forced myself to eat bread from a bread machine. As soon as you have not refined normal bread does not come out there. Now this bread maker is lying around idle.
        1. ycuce234-san
          ycuce234-san 15 October 2020 11: 03 New
          +1
          In multicooker and bread makers, yeast-free bread is also baked, you can find recipes simply by looking for "yeast-free bread in a bread maker" - it is not necessary to use only those recipes that the manufacturer wrote in the operating instructions.
          And in a more general situation and in the long term - excise taxes are needed on various additives in food products - to equalize the cost of quality products and their ersatz.
          1. Stas157
            Stas157 15 October 2020 11: 12 New
            +1
            They also tried to make yeast-free. Solid as the sole comes out. Maybe we did something wrong, but our friendship with the bread maker did not work out.
            1. ycuce234-san
              ycuce234-san 15 October 2020 13: 30 New
              +1
              We need to make a few more trial variants. On the profile forum on baking, post a photo of the results in all types and cuts, the view of the bottom of the machine before and after baking, the type of dough before and during baking, indicating the time from the moment of start-up and a photo of pre-measured quantities of ingredients, the settings of the machine before starting and there they will tell you how to fix the problem. You can also write to the manufacturer's technical support forum - especially if it is not possible to implement the recipe from the operating instructions: the manufacturer has professional chefs on the staff who developed these recipes for the instructions (and each geographic region has its own culinary traditions and cooks, therefore, more less local and not Chinese car manufacturers) and they can be redirected to a question if it arises from many users of technology. Everything is exactly the same as when solving problems with the program, computer, phone.
      3. Rzzz
        Rzzz 15 October 2020 19: 15 New
        0
        Quote: Nyrobsky
        Now there are a lot of opportunities for realizing your desires, including in the field of self-sufficiency in bread, through the purchase of the same household bread machine

        I tried it. Complete garbage turns out. Either it is, in principle, done there using a flawed technology, or you just need to spend months and years gaining experience - which is also not suitable in most cases.
    2. Hagen
      Hagen 15 October 2020 07: 33 New
      -1
      Quote: depressant
      And the quality is really disgusting.

      Quote: depressant
      The wallet grumbles: "Don't even think about it!"

      So you yourself answered. You are in St. Petersburg, if I'm not mistaken? In St. Petersburg there is everyone's bread. Both good and bad. A good one will be more expensive. Even at the same bakery, different shifts make different breads. But the main thing is that you have a choice in the form of hundreds of retail outlets within walking distance. Take your pick. In general, here one comrade correctly noted that bread made from high quality flour is not very healthy. I noticed that with age, I have to consume more not what is tasty, but what is healthier. In one of the studies of the social problems of the USSR in the 20th century, it was once noted that the poorer the population lived, the greater the proportion of baked goods and potatoes in the diet of the population. As soon as the country came out of the crisis recovery mode, the emphasis in the diet shifted towards vegetables and fruits (I mean these 2 categories of food separately from all the others). At the same time, I think that the quality of bread in a store does not always directly depend on the quality of grain harvested in the country. The Grain Union on the issue of grain quality noted that it depends on the purchasing power of the consumer. The producer can improve the quality of the grain, but it will be more expensive and not in demand on the market. Still, it should be borne in mind that grain purchases today are carried out not by state procurement offices by order from above, but by private wholesale buyers who are sensitive to the purchasing power of the end consumer. It so happened ...
      1. depressant
        depressant 15 October 2020 08: 27 New
        0
        Colleague Hagen, you are a little mistaken, I live in a small village in the far suburbs. In our stores, the bread is the same, it is produced by one of the factories near Moscow, each year noticeably worsening the quality of products.
        Dear colleagues attacked me here))
        Like, bake it yourself, what you don't bake, lazy! ))
        Oh!..
        The strength is not the same, so much fuss with baking, there is no money for a bread maker, and she apparently eats electricity. They reproach: how is there no money? Like, you go to the Internet, but it costs money. I go out from the phone, with the kind permission of a neighbor to use his Wi-Fi, for which I give him 400 rubles a month.
        But, you know, man does not live on bread alone!
        It is a great happiness for me to go to VO, talk, listen))) After all, so many amazingly smart thoughts are expressed by people ...
        Bread is the main part of my food, that's why I am so painful about the deterioration of its quality. But if you think that I am not happy with the opportunity that a part of our population has to buy expensive bread produced by a small private owner, then this is not so - I am glad! But I cannot afford a bun with currant jam for 80 rubles and for 110 rubles with blueberry. And even a small crumb of luxurious bread (it is cut into pieces), because the crumb is obtained at a price of 70 to 100 rubles.
        The Antimonopoly Committee is holding back the prices of bread produced by large bakeries. But Rospotrebnadzor leaves a corridor for them, allowing them to deteriorate quality. And for some reason it seems to me that the manufacturer, and he has gradually taken a monopoly position in the shops of my village, uses this excessively for profit, and the buyer has nowhere to go. The rest of the manufacturers, apparently, squeezed out of the market.
        The question, apparently, is this - in unhealthy competition, in the collusion of manufacturers, sellers and state control services.

        And the fact that we have a good harvest, of course, pleases! How can you not please? Although there is something to talk about, at least by seeds. The West threatens, they say, we haven't imposed real sanctions on Russia yet. So I'm afraid, I remember all the time: God forbid! Seeds are not engines, which can be imported for years. Seeds - they are required every year.
        1. Hagen
          Hagen 15 October 2020 13: 59 New
          +1
          Quote: depressant
          Colleague Hagen, you are a little mistaken, I live in a small village in the far suburbs.

          I beg your pardon for the mistake. love But this does not change the essence, you just have a little less choice. I myself live in a small town in Siberia, but there are several bakeries to choose from.
          Quote: depressant
          And for some reason it seems to me that the manufacturer, and he has gradually taken a monopoly position in the shops of my village, uses this excessively for profit, and the buyer has nowhere to go.

          This is understandable, because the main goal of any commercial enterprise is to make a profit.
          Quote: depressant
          Dear colleagues attacked me here))
          Like, bake it yourself, what you don't bake, lazy! ))

          Don't react so painfully. I think they spoke with the best of intentions. We are all very anonymous here and have little idea of ​​the capabilities of the interlocutor. And they are very different. winked
          1. depressant
            depressant 15 October 2020 14: 05 New
            +1
            That is why I am very gentle with interlocutors who disagree with me)))
            Because I am sure that they are all very nice people, and on occasion, having gathered together in reality, they would be very surprised: were we really at odds on the pages of VO? )))
        2. Rzzz
          Rzzz 15 October 2020 19: 23 New
          0
          Quote: depressant
          I go out from the phone, with the kind permission of a neighbor to use his Wi-Fi, for which I give him 400 rubles a month.

          And the neighbor is cunning !!!! He completely hung up his Internet on you! For example, I am now paying 399 rubles. So there is no need to argue about the "kind" permission.
  • Clear
    Clear 14 October 2020 19: 27 New
    +7
    Quote: Silvestr
    And more expensive


    Professor of the Institute of Economics of the Russian Academy of Sciences Ivan Starikov.

    “Firstly, by increasing the price of wheat on the domestic, Russian, market, producers are trying to hedge the risks associated with the fact that on the horizon again looms the possibility of closing grain exports, as we already had in 2010.
    The second reason is associated with the fact that there is a rapid devaluation of the ruble, the inflow of foreign currency has greatly decreased, we clearly feel the currency hunger. And there are forecasts that the further devaluation of the ruble will surely eat up the entire grain production margin, because large-scale production today largely depends on imported technologies, from germplasm of seeds to complementary herbicides and equipment necessary for grain production. "

    Here it is, ay-nods - the destruction of production in Russia.
    1. Thunderbringer
      Thunderbringer 14 October 2020 20: 59 New
      -13
      Oh how.
      The production was destroyed, and the harvests are record high.
      That would be to return Soviet production again. There and then again the paw would be sucked in queues. But for the idea, in the name of comrades.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 14 October 2020 22: 29 New
        10
        Quote: Thunderbringer
        The production was destroyed, and the harvests are record high.

        And what is the connection between production and harvests? belay Seed base is more than 50% import, machinery is mainly import.
        1. Andrey VOV
          Andrey VOV 15 October 2020 11: 42 New
          +1
          Ingvar, according to the law, is wheat that is 90 percent domestic, for corn, yes, there is a dominance of imported sunflower, 59 to 50
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 15 October 2020 11: 52 New
            +2
            Yes, Andrey, I agree with wheat. But that's all. Potatoes, corn, rapeseed, sunflower, even watermelons - more than 70% of imports. hi
            Yes, and wheat - prices have skipped this year, and this has already pulled the prices for meat and milk. What is the use of these crops to me?
            1. Andrey VOV
              Andrey VOV 15 October 2020 12: 00 New
              0
              Recently, rapeseed has its own, most often Neman and its derivatives, and as for prices, in the pricing of feed, bread for meat, grain is not in the first place, under the guise of a pandemic, somehow they did not see that again gas, fuel, electricity went up , again compensate for the losses at the beginning of the year, and the situation on the external market dictates prices and everyone again worries that they will close it by introducing a quota, like last year and now there are huge congestions in Novorossiysk with wagons
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 15 October 2020 12: 56 New
                +1
                Today I succumbed to my wife's persuasion to go to Lenta. Price tags have grown by an average of 7-10% over the month. And the assortment has become extremely budgetary. Not that I'm a major, accustomed to delicacies, no, there are really fewer quality goods. request
      2. Stas157
        Stas157 15 October 2020 07: 45 New
        +3
        Quote: Thunderbringer
        Oh how.
        The production was destroyed, and the harvests are record high.
        That would be to return Soviet production again. There and then again the paw would be sucked in queues. But for the idea, in the name of comrades.

        In the RSFSR, they sowed three times large areas. The yields were smaller then. Nevertheless, the harvests of the RSFSR are quite comparable with the current ones in terms of volume. Approximately 110-120 million tons.
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 15 October 2020 07: 59 New
          +1
          Recently I reread the magazine "Rybolov" of the late 80s. A very interesting situation was described. The guys swim up to the fishermen, and at each boat, string bags are lowered into the water on the ropes. Where 4 loaves, where 6, and where all 8. Type of bait.
  • the most important
    the most important 14 October 2020 19: 54 New
    -1
    Quote: Silvestr
    The harvest is good

    And I do not believe in the presence of such a crop. People are fleeing from the villages, the fields are overgrown, why suddenly so much grain? There is only one answer: the missing millions were "raised" in large and bright offices ...
    1. Thunderbringer
      Thunderbringer 14 October 2020 21: 00 New
      -13
      Quote: the most important
      People are fleeing from the villages, the fields are overgrown, why suddenly so much grain?

      Maybe they are not grown according to the technology of the 18th century as the communists did?
    2. Alex013
      Alex013 14 October 2020 21: 08 New
      +6
      Judging by our region, where sod-podzolic soils in the forest zone - fields are already in birch forests, and where black soil - all fields under crops. Other technology, varieties, chemistry. The yields are higher. And the control when harvesting is higher. And so yes, no one canceled the postscripts, especially the subsidies ...
    3. Hagen
      Hagen 15 October 2020 08: 05 New
      -1
      Quote: the most important
      And I don't believe in the presence of such a crop

      Faith is an irrational thing. It appears when there is no knowledge.
    4. Andrey VOV
      Andrey VOV 15 October 2020 11: 44 New
      -1
      Well, don't believe ..))) your right,
  • Bar1
    Bar1 14 October 2020 20: 13 New
    0
    I've already forgotten what a crisp crust is on a fresh loaf. They eat bread for us from animal feed grain. Bread and potatoes, the second bread, are spoiled in Putin's Russia. Why do they do this?
    1. Thunderbringer
      Thunderbringer 14 October 2020 21: 01 New
      -9
      Well, it's clear. So that all honest, non-polite fighters against the Putin regime could be brought out and poisoned. Your friend Ololesha is already over there.
      1. Bar1
        Bar1 14 October 2020 23: 45 New
        +3
        Quote: Thunderbringer
        Well, it's clear. So that all honest, non-polite fighters against the Putin regime could be brought out and poisoned. Your friend Ololesha is already over there.

        Yes, they are enemies, to feed the people with cattle grain.
  • _Ugene_
    _Ugene_ 14 October 2020 20: 18 New
    +2
    The harvest is good, and the bread sells shit.
    Buy a household bread maker and add what you want to your bread, very convenient and tasty, we have been using it for several years
    1. depressant
      depressant 14 October 2020 20: 40 New
      +1
      Oh, how simple it is for you, colleague))) "Buy a household bread maker!" For many years now, all my household appliances have been turned off, except for the refrigerator. Even the notorious TV. I don't even use an iron. And the meter supplied by the foreign company Enel, which charges me for electricity under the guise of its local branch with a harmless abbreviation, regularly winds up a lot more than in those distant times when I had a dozen electrical appliances working at the same time, and ordinary light bulbs - with a thread incandescent which, remember?
      You also advise: "Don't you like bread? So eat cakes!"
      1. Thunderbringer
        Thunderbringer 14 October 2020 21: 03 New
        -7
        For everyone else, the opposite is true. LED bulbs are very energy efficient.
        And only the oppositionists have a counter.
        Well, this. Do you write to the Internet from the refrigerator too?
      2. Hagen
        Hagen 15 October 2020 08: 06 New
        0
        Quote: depressant
        For many years now, all my household appliances have been turned off, except for the refrigerator.

        If it's not a secret, how much energy do you wind up per month?
        1. depressant
          depressant 15 October 2020 08: 56 New
          -2
          Colleague Hagen, exactly the same as many years ago, since the moment when my computer died, which I grieve every day ...
          I remember that in those distant times I had to go to the regional center to pay for electricity. And once I was mistaken: instead of 4 rubles with kopecks, I entered a receipt with 5 kopecks. I still see the frightened face of the operator before my eyes. Like, what are you doing! If there are more than five, the revolution will happen! She said so, corrected it herself, counted it. Now it is 5,73, there is no revolution - and good. Against the background of a general rise in prices for everything and all electricity still looks decent. Although this is, apparently, a rise in price by 20%. Just!

          How do the appetites of our semi-foreign electricity producers, say, in the Moscow region, Enel Russia, and a completely foreign collector of contributions, saturate? Due to the exorbitant cost of energy for production and their connection to the network. It got to the point that some enterprises began to independently resolve the issue of producing heat and electricity for themselves: they build their own small power plants, using domestically produced turbines for this. And, in my opinion, this is good. But not all enterprises have this opportunity. Maybe that's why small private owners have such expensive bread.
      3. Sacrifus
        Sacrifus 15 October 2020 10: 06 New
        -1
        To listen to you, such a feeling you live on 5000 rubles a month, everything is turned off only when necessary, I turn it on.
        1. depressant
          depressant 15 October 2020 11: 10 New
          -1
          Dear colleague, don't listen to me, and you will feel good, calm and satisfying, won't you?))))
          For utilities, I pay about 6000 rubles, when more, when less - a two-room apartment, and this is the Moscow region. Just don't advise me, they say, sell, move to a one-room apartment. I won't! I spent so much time in the rented apartments that, completely deprived of my mental strength, I huddled together with my now deceased mother to my own, warmed up here and did not want to change anything. Moreover, the kitchen, several times flooded with the same impoverished neighbors, is in a murdered state, they will give a penny for an apartment.

          And ... Do you know what strikes the most about some people? Malice. Push the falling one, and you will feel better! What other words of comfort and support are there? Like, like everything will be fine, hope for the best - what is there! Lower down below the plinth the one who is already not very good, and now you are a handsome man, a defender of the authorities, diligently caring specifically about your small social stratum who have adapted.
          No, colleague, you are not a defender of power. You are the owner of the funeral home in which that authority will be buried. You are the gravedigger of this power. And I am her lifeguard. For in time I give signals: "Power, attention! Here is a puncture and here, it would be necessary to fix it!"
          If you give the authorities any signals, they are extremely false. Your only signal is "Urrraaa!" Consoling yourself with it, you relax the power, inspire it with the idea that it is on the right path. And it turns out that with no intentions, you wind up the power on a curve, a roundabout path, where thousands of demonstrations, burning tires, barricades, crippled and killed people await.
          Any authority needs criticism and timely signals. This helps her to survive, which means the state. I do not rock the boat, I adjust the actions of the galleys so that the boat does not capsize. You are not.
          1. Sacrifus
            Sacrifus 15 October 2020 15: 29 New
            +1
            You will already decide if you are for me or for you)
            The authorities are criticized everywhere and at all times, because there will always be dissatisfied people who sit and wait for the weather by the sea!
            I do not expect help from the authorities, but I myself am learning, learning new skills and looking for a better job!
            And according to your stories, you sit and wait, and even criticize)
            With a strong government there will be no one where there will be many thousands of demonstrations, burning tires, barricades, crippled and killed people, this is only with a weak government, maybe, learn history!
            1. depressant
              depressant 15 October 2020 15: 51 New
              0
              To you I - on "you". And the expression "and now you are already handsome" is a form of a saying, an irrespective address in general, and not to a specific interlocutor. Do not hesitate, colleague, I respect you.
              As for learning new skills and finding a job, I chose a different path - working on my own mathematical theory, being content with a small material component. You know, there is such an irresistible attraction to what you are intended by nature. They say that mathematics only needs paper and a pen. This is half-truth. A mathematician needs a head, and a paper and a pen just to write down what is finished. These tools are very inexpensive. I mean paper and a pen))) Especially if the paper is "Consumer", in other words, cutting from newsprint unused in printing production. The cost is 130 rubles for a pack of 500 sheets. Pens are found at 13 rubles.
              In other words, I chose the option of realizing my own natural capabilities, which for a long time were suppressed by the material side of life. Guided by the principle "am I a person or where?")))
              But it does not follow from this that I should be punished for such a choice by a constant increase in the price of bread with a parallel decrease in its quality. What do you think?)))
              1. Sacrifus
                Sacrifus 15 October 2020 15: 54 New
                +1
                This is your choice, every blacksmith of his own happiness! Someone goes and takes their own, and someone waits)
                1. depressant
                  depressant 15 October 2020 16: 02 New
                  +1
                  You are right, colleague, adjusted for what constitutes happiness for each individual person. It was nice to talk)))
                  And since you are an understanding person, I will mark your posts with likes)))
                  1. Sacrifus
                    Sacrifus 15 October 2020 16: 12 New
                    +1
                    Thank you mutually)
      4. Andrey VOV
        Andrey VOV 15 October 2020 11: 46 New
        +3
        Something reading your comments gives the impression that such a grandmother is sitting in rags, a littered hut, a lopsided closet on the street, a splinter, but with a phone, a touchscreen smartphone and Internet from a bourgeois neighbor ... and a spider in the corner weaves a web
        1. depressant
          depressant 15 October 2020 12: 10 New
          0
          Laughed for a long time! Thanks! )))
          I value imagination in people))
          Here is a response to your state of mind -
          Carl Orff - O Fortuna (Carmina Burana), type "listen for free", and a terrible grandmother in a destroyed hut, but with a mobile phone in her hands, will immediately disappear from your field of vision))
    2. Rzzz
      Rzzz 15 October 2020 19: 35 New
      0
      Quote: _Ugene_
      Buy a household bread maker and

      It is then necessary to begin with the fact that "sow the field with wheat of the desired variety, reap the harvest", etc. it is necessary to control all processes.
      But in practice, you will pour the same shitty flour into the stove, with additives, palm milk and synthetic yeast.

      I tried to use the stove. Some kind of crap turned out. With a great desire, of course, you could convince yourself that it was delicious, but not for long.
  • Alex013
    Alex013 14 October 2020 21: 02 New
    -2
    A record harvest is good, agriculture is developing. But there is one thing ... our seed production is almost at zero, one import, we are heavily dependent on it. It is good that there are no sanctions for the import of seeds, planting material. Chemistry too - Basf, Bayer, DuPont, China, if a domestic manufacturer, then D.V. again from there, we only mix. Technique - the photo of the combine on the title page speaks for itself. And bread - there is a choice, it is sold and is of very good quality.
  • kapitan92
    kapitan92 14 October 2020 21: 26 New
    +6
    Quote: Silvestr
    The harvest is good, and the bread sells shit. And more expensive request

    The high and even record results demonstrated by Russian farmers for the fourth year in a row indicate that this industry in our country is developing in the right direction.

    The end of the article sounds like a slogan in the planned economy in the USSR. I would like to add right away: "Comrades are on the right path!" laughing
    The depreciation of the national currency has led to the fact that against the background of a record harvest, wheat in the domestic market has seriously risen in price.
    This is a record figure for our country. Wheat has never been so expensive in Russia.
    Wheat is an export product, so it is becoming more expensive in dollars on the world market. Export prices for Black Sea wheat have increased by $ 30 since August to $ 239 per ton. The reason here lies in the deteriorating forecasts for the world grain harvest.
    Only a stronger ruble and a decline in exports can restrain the rise in wheat prices, it is likely that grain prices in Russia will continue to rise in price, and with it the cost of processed products will rise.
    The authorities have already officially announced an increase in prices for cotton products, pasta and ........ vodka!
    So you can buy macaroshka and vodka and bury it! laughing hi
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 14 October 2020 22: 35 New
      +7
      Quote: kapitan92
      against the background of a record harvest, wheat on the domestic market has seriously risen in price.

      Unfortunately yes. This year I will have to cut all Indo-women - it has become expensive to keep, I will have to switch to hormonal pork. crying Wheat at the wholesaler already reaches 15 tons per ton.
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 14 October 2020 21: 54 New
    +2
    Quote: Silvestr
    Harvest is good and bread sells shit

    Well, everything is simple here, where the feed grain was used for flour, where the chemistry was added, etc.
  • Svarog
    Svarog 14 October 2020 22: 05 New
    +1
    Quote: Silvestr
    The harvest is good, and the bread sells shit. And more expensive request

    And here, just about the prices for a record harvest ..
  • Rzzz
    Rzzz 15 October 2020 19: 10 New
    0
    Quote: Silvestr
    bread sold shit

    It is not profitable to produce and sell good bread. Taking into account the realities of the domestic market and the tax policy of the state, good bread will cost so much that no one will buy it at that price. Therefore, even the "good" manufacturers in the past are forced to reduce the cost of the recipe and add substitutes.
    Well, and of course, high-grade grain is more profitable to export for hard currency than to sell here for rapidly liquefying rubles. And then sell third-rate.
  • Alf
    Alf 14 October 2020 18: 06 New
    +3
    This means that again the food will rise in price ... As usual, everything will go There, and the prices for the rest here will jump.
    1. credo
      credo 14 October 2020 18: 16 New
      +5
      Quote: Alf
      This means that again the food will rise in price ... As usual, everything will go There, and the prices for the rest here will jump.

      One is not connected with the other.
      As I was told by one cynic-huckster acquaintance - "There would be a reason and the prices of products can always be raised by explaining anything, for example, the rise in oil prices, utilities, licensing (labeling) of products, etc."
      1. BARKAS
        BARKAS 14 October 2020 18: 47 New
        +3
        There is one farmer's wisdom which says that the peasant has two troubles - this is a lean year, but even worse when the harvest is record high! At approximately the same cost, lower purchase prices, moreover, the quality of the same grain with a low yield is often higher.
  • Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 14 October 2020 18: 08 New
    +6
    It remains to wait for the "victorious reports" that, due to the record harvest, the products from it, at least a little, will become cheaper, and will not increase again, as always laughing

    Then you can definitely believe, "that this industry in our country is developing in the right direction." good
    1. Van 16
      Van 16 14 October 2020 18: 47 New
      11
      "at least a little - but they will become cheaper and not increase again"
      They will definitely increase. They are always growing. For all. Regardless.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 14 October 2020 18: 21 New
    +1
    The price will not be lower, you can not cherish such illusions ... but food will be in abundance, of course, for those who have this abundance, and this is not at all guaranteed in our time.
  • Eldorado
    Eldorado 14 October 2020 18: 22 New
    -5
    Keep it up, a nuisance to all liberals! good
    1. Thunderbringer
      Thunderbringer 14 October 2020 21: 05 New
      -10
      Yes, here the liberals are somehow at a loss. They are more about polymers and Roskosmos.
      Here it undermines the communists. Theirs idols fought, fought for the harvest, but no sense.
  • Blacksmith 55
    Blacksmith 55 14 October 2020 18: 32 New
    +1
    The state needs to invest even more funds in the development of agriculture. Mainly in the infrastructure of villages and villages.
    Conducting gas, building high-quality roads, investing in housing, and much more is needed by the village and residents.
    Naturally, investment control is needed.
    1. Thunderbringer
      Thunderbringer 14 October 2020 21: 06 New
      -8
      This is gradually being done, as needed and where needed.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 14 October 2020 22: 39 New
        +4
        Quote: Thunderbringer
        This is gradually being done, as needed and where needed.

        In what places and what is being done? Are you delusional or what? The rural population is shrinking every year, even according to Rosstat.
        1. Andrey VOV
          Andrey VOV 15 October 2020 11: 49 New
          -1
          The rural population is shrinking almost all over the world, this time, and again, a lot depends on the local leadership, in the Lipetsk region all the villages, even the most forgotten ones, are gasified, there is not a single free piece of land, everything is being cultivated, all programs are working ... in the village
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 15 October 2020 12: 04 New
            +3
            Quote: Andrey VOV
            The rural population is shrinking
            All over the world gays are getting married, this is not a reason to look up to them. wink
            Quote: Andrey VOV
            all villages in the Lipetsk region are supplied with gas

            Gasified does not mean fully provided. For example, my mother lives in the village of Mezhdurechensk, it is officially gasified, but in fact there is no gas in more than half of the houses. And this is more than 300 households, the entire private sector.
            1. Andrey VOV
              Andrey VOV 15 October 2020 12: 10 New
              0
              What do you mean provided? There are fabs, shops, very small villages, a car shop arrives
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 15 October 2020 12: 51 New
                +1
                I'm talking about real gas supply.
                1. Andrey VOV
                  Andrey VOV 15 October 2020 12: 55 New
                  0
                  And I'm talking about this, Really summed up, connected and working
                  1. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 15 October 2020 13: 03 New
                    +1
                    About Lipetsk region. I will not judge, but in the Samara and Ulyanovsk regions, in fact, gasification is fictitious. He worked in plumbing and heating, I know not by hearsay. On the ground - in the Samara region, almost all fields are sown with wheat, for quick money. Ulyanovsk is full of empty ones. There are problems with animal husbandry in both areas, it is not clear what kind of milk we buy in the store?
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  • 7,62h54
    7,62h54 14 October 2020 19: 02 New
    +4
    Russia is turning into an agrarian power. There is something to be proud of.
    1. Livonetc
      Livonetc 14 October 2020 19: 05 New
      +8
      American to Russian:
      - I imagine how you dine: an oak table, on the table - a bottle of vodka, brown bread, herring, onions, porridge, dumplings. Under the table is a machine gun. On the wall there is a balalaika and a budenovka. There is a tank in the courtyard, and a bear on the porch.
      Russian:
      - What nonsense ?! Why one bottle of vodka ?!
      1. Interlocutor
        Interlocutor 14 October 2020 19: 30 New
        0
        laughing good anecdote, plus laughing
    2. Vladimir Mashkov
      Vladimir Mashkov 14 October 2020 19: 26 New
      -4
      I read all the comments and was amazed: only TWO positive comments (your second)! And so everyone whines and scolds everything. yes
      1. 7,62h54
        7,62h54 14 October 2020 19: 27 New
        +2
        Subtly noted, offset
        1. Vladimir Mashkov
          Vladimir Mashkov 14 October 2020 20: 31 New
          -7
          And the most striking thing is that the result is RECORD! But some are always bad! Previously, these were called whiners and grumblings. Maybe they are called something different now?
          1. Thunderbringer
            Thunderbringer 14 October 2020 21: 08 New
            -4
            If these are "ours" - evil, lying traitors.
            If not ours, they are evil and deceitful enemies.
          2. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 15 October 2020 01: 28 New
            +1
            Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
            Previously, these were called whiners and grumblings. Maybe they are called something else now?

            You go to the field, ask the combine operators ...
            1. Sacrifus
              Sacrifus 15 October 2020 10: 23 New
              0
              Did you go and ask, conducted a survey?
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 15 October 2020 11: 14 New
                0
                Quote: Sacrifus
                Did you go and ask, conducted a survey?

                Spent.
                1. Andrey VOV
                  Andrey VOV 15 October 2020 11: 51 New
                  +1
                  And what did they tell you? They didn't stuff their face so as not to interfere with their work? Our combine operators live very well, in our association, and they do not complain and there are no vacancies, they do not run, and there is a salary and there is everything
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 15 October 2020 11: 53 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Andrey VOV
                    And what did they tell you? Didn't they stuff your face so as not to interfere with your work?

                    Not stuffed, don't worry.
                    1. Andrey VOV
                      Andrey VOV 15 October 2020 12: 01 New
                      +1
                      Well, well, well-mannered and cultured people, respect
                      1. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 15 October 2020 12: 07 New
                        0
                        Quote: Andrey VOV
                        Well, well, well-mannered and cultured people, respect

                        These cultured people said that in one place they turned such a job with such a salary. By the way, my dad got 400 rubles as a combine operator in the mid-80s.
                      2. Andrey VOV
                        Andrey VOV 15 October 2020 12: 12 New
                        +1
                        Well, it means that they were unlucky with the bosses, they are greedy, our people do not complain, and hell to get a job, there are no vacancies for machine operators
              2. Sacrifus
                Sacrifus 15 October 2020 15: 44 New
                0
                A verbatim statement, where is the document and signatures of people, who participated, demographic data?
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 15 October 2020 15: 52 New
                  0
                  Quote: Sacrifus
                  where is the document and signatures of people who participated, demographic data?

                  The machine operators of the Tula region, from the farms of the former APO Novomoskovskoe, which in the 80s were ruled by the future member of the State Emergency Committee Starodubtsev, took part. Interrogation is oral, there are no documents. There were many obscene expressions. Age above average. Those. those who remember how it was and how it became.
        2. Sacrifus
          Sacrifus 15 October 2020 10: 23 New
          0
          There will always be dissatisfied, with any positive results)
    3. Rzzz
      Rzzz 15 October 2020 20: 04 New
      0
      Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
      just TWO positive comments (your second)!

      So what is positive about that? An agrarian country is very bad for the economy, it is worse than a "gas station country". All agricultural countries in the world are poor countries, and are extremely dependent on the situation in world markets and weather conditions that affect the harvest. In addition, the production of agricultural raw materials gives an extremely small tax "exhaust" to the treasury.
  • Thunderbringer
    Thunderbringer 14 October 2020 21: 07 New
    0
    Quote: 7,62x54
    Russia is turning into an agrarian power. There is something to be proud of.

    I recommend asking how much wheat the United States exports.
    Although yes, I understand - "this is another!"
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 14 October 2020 19: 07 New
    +8
    High and even record results, demonstrated by Russian farmers for the fourth year in a row, indicate that this industry in our country is developing in the right direction.

    If this industry or any other in the country is developing in the proper direction, then the prices in stores and the quality of the goods indicate this. Sorry, you can afford to eat budget bread and then ... But real bread, which was in the USSR, is very difficult to find.
    And further. Can you find out where the seed fund comes from in our agriculture? Is the food security in Russia as praised as it is, or is it all just another nonsense of the company where Messrs. Patrushevs work (father and sons ... laughing).
    Directly, you are amazed at how quickly the agrarian and other talents of "children" are revealed. Wherever you go, everywhere successes, everywhere achievements, and the people are simply “mad with fat”.
  • parusnik
    parusnik 14 October 2020 19: 08 New
    +9
    And who are our agrarians? Agrocomplexes. Agricultural enterprises owned by large landowners. Let us congratulate the latifundists with a good harvest. smile
  • hohol95
    hohol95 14 October 2020 19: 09 New
    0
    Farmers are in tears - there are no guest workers and there is no one to pick up potatoes and carrots!
    And those who remained began to demand an increase in earnings, food and better living!
    1. Clear
      Clear 14 October 2020 19: 29 New
      +5
      Quote: hohol95
      Farmers are in tears - there are no guest workers and there is no one to pick up potatoes and carrots!

      Such a warm autumn should allow harvesting.
      1. hohol95
        hohol95 14 October 2020 20: 41 New
        0
        The MK had an article about it.
        20 sacks of onions collected in the field cost 2000 rubles. 100 rubles per bag. In the past, they paid 45 rubles!
        30 bags of carrots - 1500 rubles!
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 14 October 2020 23: 55 New
          0
          Quote: hohol95
          20 sacks of onions collected in the field cost 2000 rubles. 100 rubles per bag. In the past, they paid 45 rubles!

          Complete garbage. They paid three rubles and kopecks for apples ... I collected thirty buckets each.
      2. hohol95
        hohol95 14 October 2020 20: 47 New
        -1
        Moscow's comsomolets
        Harvesting vegetables turned into big problems for the Russian village
        The expert is sure: in order to remove them, general mechanization is necessary
        Depending on the bag (30-40 kg) a year ago, migrant workers collected 30-40 bags each. Such a working day cost 1,5 thousand rubles, in the harvesting they got 40-45 thousand clean a month. Nice money. First I collected it in a bucket, poured it from the bucket into a bag, then the loader drives across the field, loads the bags.
        The work is primitive and laborious, but Russian farmers simply have no other options in the autumn.
        A year ago, 45 people from Central Asia worked in his farm for cleaning and packing. Today ... not a single one. As they left before the announcement of quarantine due to coronavirus to their homeland, they never came back, sorry, goodbye.
        1. bubalik
          bubalik 14 October 2020 21: 07 New
          +3
          ,,, well, they write nonsense. They write about carrots ,,,
          This means that the farmer pays 45 gaster 2 million a month, and collects about 4 tons of carrots from 200 hectares. The purchase price is about 5 rubles per kg and where is the profit? recourse request farmer stars laughing
        2. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 15 October 2020 01: 34 New
          0
          Quote: hohol95
          Depending on the bag (30-40 kg) a year ago, migrant workers collected 30-40 bags each.

          We collected it as students. On the first day I got 55 buckets, then I slowed down to 30.
          1. hohol95
            hohol95 15 October 2020 07: 57 New
            0
            How much did they collect as a schoolboy?
            Every autumn we were chased for carrots ...
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 15 October 2020 08: 05 New
              -1
              Quote: hohol95
              How much did they collect as a schoolboy?

              And as a schoolboy on apples, as that were never. Mainly potatoes, but beets, which were ridden with ax knives. There were also carrots a couple of times. And they cut her tails.
              1. hohol95
                hohol95 15 October 2020 08: 11 New
                0
                You had a complete tin. We even cut off the tops of the tractor .. And from the ground her darling handles, handles.
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 15 October 2020 08: 23 New
                  0
                  Quote: hohol95
                  You had a complete tin. At least they cut the tops of the tractor ...

                  Carrot is bullshit. On beets, the fodder plate is full. They pulled her, darling, piled up in heaps, and then chopped the tops. My uncle specially made a cleaver for this purpose, almost half a meter long. The coolest thing was when we arrived at the potatoes, and there my dad picked it out at the diesel fuel. Here the teacher snitched on me. And so I, and that, and a quitter, and a fulyugan ... Well, at least I steered plenty of trachtour.
  • demo
    demo 14 October 2020 19: 24 New
    -1
    One of the impressive results of the development of modern China over 70 years was that the half-starved country provided food for 20 percent of the world's population. And this despite the fact that the PRC has only 9 percent of arable land and 6 percent of fresh water reserves.

    Nevertheless, for the last five years in a row, grain harvests in the PRC have exceeded 650 million tons. That is 95% of the country's annual demand for grain. This allowed China to create grain reserves of 670 million tons. For comparison: the grain harvest in Russia in 2019 amounted to 120 million tons, that is, more than 5 times less than in the PRC. Over 10 percent of the world's arable land is located in Russia, but almost half is not used.

    I think that extra words are not required.
    Compare the number of arable (used) land in the PRC and the Russian Federation and you can close the topic.
    https://svpressa.ru/economy/article/253500/?utm_source=finobzor.ru
    1. Sacrifus
      Sacrifus 15 October 2020 10: 32 New
      -1
      We found something to compare, in China there are different climatic conditions, where crops are harvested 2-3 times a year!
      All the more, there is a large share of the form of rice, and the maximum rice yield is 150 c / ha!
      1. demo
        demo 15 October 2020 11: 45 New
        0
        Why are there 2-3 times a year! Write 10!
        Or rather - do not write nonsense.
        Winter and spring crops. All. Like we have.
        The cultivated area in the PRC is less than in Russia.
        The yield is higher.
        You are right that rice and soy are also used.
        Only pasta, dumplings, pies and pastries can not be made without flour.
        And since 2011, the PRC has systematically abandoned the use of chemical fertilizers. Only organic.
        And tens of millions of hectares are being bred. The earth needs to rest.
        And then people like you for 10 harvests would force the land to give. hi
        I know the reason for such a high yield. And I know why the Chinese managed to feed themselves and even their neighbors (we don't count).
        I've been to China. And he lived in normal conditions. And he carefully looked around, and not at the shelves with clothes.
        Therefore, I know what I am talking about, and what and why is happening.
        1. Sacrifus
          Sacrifus 15 October 2020 15: 51 New
          0
          I wrote about 2-3 harvests of rice, and China itself imports wheat under 9 million tons per year
          Don't lump everything together!
  • 2 Level Advisor
    2 Level Advisor 14 October 2020 19: 39 New
    10
    Cereals - a record. Excellent! And the tomatoes? Potatoes from China? Why are bananas cheaper than potatoes? Everything is simple - they plant grain and sunflower everywhere - there is a demand for them as they drive abroad .. and who needs our tomatoes and potatoes? Inside the country? To whom? Therefore, the article would be more correct - we are champions in the production of grain for export to the west .. in this our agriculture is successful .. and let the tomatoes be taken from Turkey - they will buy it anyway .. you won't earn so much from them on export
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 14 October 2020 21: 08 New
      -2
      Quote: Level 2 Advisor
      Why are bananas cheaper than potatoes?

      PatAmushta caring for banana trees requires less time and money, including labor costs.
      But if you buy potatoes not in the "Azbuka Vkusa", then the price will be very cheaper and acceptable.
      Quote: Level 2 Advisor
      And the tomatoes?

      And tomatoes, exactly those varieties that are well preserved during transportation, are the same everywhere. There is no longer any difference between tomatoes grown in the EU, Turkey or Russia, at agricultural firms. The taste is the same everywhere - none. The exception is Greece. Only there I could taste fleshy, juicy and tomato-scented tomatoes.
      If you want tasty and juicy tomatoes - welcome to private traders. There you will also find chicken eggs from chicken coops in the countryside, and not from poultry farms, poultry, which will give the broth color, smell and taste.
      Nothing has changed since those times, which are now called blessed because of their short memory, remembering the USSR. And then high-quality agricultural products could only be purchased from private traders.
      Another option is to eat what you yourself have grown. Then there will definitely be no complaints.
      1. 2 Level Advisor
        2 Level Advisor 15 October 2020 08: 44 New
        0
        everything is correct, tomatoes, etc. private traders are better, but do you think that is why other crops are not grown in the Russian Federation, except for grain / sunflower, in sufficient volumes when imports are not needed? I'm just talking about this .. That 90 percent of the fields are export-oriented .. yes, even if it's stupidly profitable, capitalism .. but what does it have to do with the reports about super agricultural, if people don't see it .. well, they would drive it for export in silence .. and besides, the Ministry of Agriculture in general, do we have state collective farms? which means collective farms, farmers at their own expense and grow everything themselves - what is the merit of the Ministry of Agriculture? what is their success? in the correct presentation of information as about your merits? For example, they would introduce quotas for growing crops for the country's self-sufficiency, or, as in China, they would exempt agriculture from taxes for a while - for growing the necessary crops, I think without them, tomatoes, etc. ours would appear on the shelves, that would have reported on their successes and everyone would have noticed .. this is work, and summarizing the results of sales abroad and presenting them as their merits are games with statistics ..
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 15 October 2020 09: 30 New
          -1
          Quote: Level 2 Advisor
          but what does it have to do with the reports about super agricultural, if people don't see it .. well, they'd drive it for export in silence ..

          And what would then be discussed at VO?
          There is a reason to throw a stone in the direction of the Government - they say everything is not so ...
          Quote: Level 2 Advisor
          would introduce, for example, quotas then for growing crops for the country's self-sufficiency, or as in China

          All the way, starting with the notorious Perestroika, we are trying to take an example from someone - either the United States is the beacon of goodness and democracy, the EU is an example of love for one's neighbor, or the PRC is an example of a powerful industrial breakthrough.
          Russia is neither one nor the other. Like Turkey, over the past couple of decades, it has become a real regional leader in the BV.
          I will say one thing - in my native Oryol region, the volume of arable land occupied for crops is half the amount that was under Soviet rule. And the output is twice as much.
          1. 2 Level Advisor
            2 Level Advisor 15 October 2020 09: 39 New
            0
            Well .. Russia is neither one nor the other in terms of mentality in the first place, but in the economy and agriculture, as well as in mathematics, I don’t understand something that can be invented new - plants, like numbers, do not have nationalities .. .. yes - we are different .. but not from another dimension and to take all the best from our neighbors on the planet and their experience is more correct than to walk on a rake where others have already been ... this does not mean taking an example as copying the exact someone's path , it means to use the experience of some, others, third .. You yourself say, the cultivated land has become less .. this is so bad .. just other crops can be planted which are not enough, why not plant? and this is just a question for the Ministry of Agriculture, and if we consider this as criticism, is it not fair? idle agricultural "power" ..
            1. Andrey VOV
              Andrey VOV 15 October 2020 11: 55 New
              -1
              Cereal crops are sown ... this time, and secondly, find on our map where in the open field the same tomatoes and cucumbers and other eggplants will grow without risk?
              1. 2 Level Advisor
                2 Level Advisor 15 October 2020 13: 37 New
                0
                You have a look at the previous messages, we have already discussed it .. For example, in our region they will grow up, they don't plant anywhere ..
            2. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker 15 October 2020 12: 05 New
              -1
              Quote: Level 2 Advisor
              You yourself say that there are fewer cultivated lands .. this is so bad .. just other crops can be planted which are not enough, why do not they plant

              Both the specific labor productivity and climatic conditions have improved over the past ten years. Which leads to higher yields.
              It should be borne in mind that the growing conditions of different agricultural crops differ from region to region. The regions of the former Russian Non-Black Earth Region specialize more in potatoes and sugar beets. And on the traditional granary - Kuban - the emphasis is on oilseeds and grains.
              Vegetable crops, as is customary on the flow method, were driven by focusing on the "shaft".
              In a word, they grow what gives the highest income.
              And with apples and pears, things are not going well. Here, the costs per kilogram of production are higher.
              So it turns out that having your own garden in the village, or a garden plot, is cheaper (he processes himself), and the fruits are tastier.
              1. 2 Level Advisor
                2 Level Advisor 15 October 2020 13: 48 New
                0
                You're right. And this is in today's reality, yes, normal capitalism without state regulation. I'm talking about the fact that the Ministry of Agriculture just as a regulator could benefit there .. what preferences can producers come up with in order to interest them in producing what is lacking in the country, and not report on other people's successes as their own victory ..
  • fiberboard
    fiberboard 14 October 2020 20: 09 New
    +4
    The whole value of the current Minister of Agriculture is his dad. He is not an expert in this area.
  • Alexander X
    Alexander X 14 October 2020 20: 33 New
    +2
    And in our general store (Tver region) bread, if from a local bakery, is very worthy. From the city - not bad, but I like the baguettes baked at the store in their bakery better.
  • CommanderDIVA
    CommanderDIVA 14 October 2020 20: 46 New
    +4
    The main producers of grain and other crops in the European part of Russia are the agricultural holdings Miratorg, Rusagro, Agroresurs and others, respectively, and the sown areas in the regions are divided between them, there are also private peasant farms, mainly in the southern regions of the country, the Russian village develops only where there are enterprises of agricultural holdings and peasant farms and jobs, self-grown products of peasants are unprofitable and cannot withstand competition with agricultural holdings and peasant farms
    1. Andrey VOV
      Andrey VOV 15 October 2020 11: 56 New
      -1
      I disagree you have a little incorrect information
  • DPN
    DPN 14 October 2020 21: 21 New
    +4
    Yes, some records, only prices are constantly growing, and instead of liters, milk is sold in milliliters: 900 or 800 milliliters per liter and prices are closer to 60 rubles, about bread too. So I agree: again records.
    1. Rzzz
      Rzzz 15 October 2020 20: 33 New
      0
      Quote: DPN
      900 or 800 milliliters per liter and prices are closer to 60 rubles, about bread too. So I agree: again records.

      Bread, by the way, yes, "lost weight". Previously, a standard loaf of "Darnitskiy" bricks weighed 800 grams. Now I tried to weigh the same, from a couple of Moscow manufacturers - 640-680 grams.
  • arnulla
    arnulla 14 October 2020 21: 27 New
    +4
    The harvest is record-breaking. As well as the prices in stores ... The country seems to be not for people, but if for people, then only for a small number of people close to the body
  • Kunica
    Kunica 14 October 2020 21: 35 New
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    PR to mister Patrushev, or an article about the harvest? It's not like an agricultural magazine here. And further. In our country, the amount collected from the fields, mined in a mine, mine, well, forest, etc. nor does it affect the well-being of the common people.
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 14 October 2020 21: 53 New
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    a natural question arises, why are prices rising?
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 14 October 2020 22: 15 New
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    Some absurdity. Continuous records, harvest to heaven, and bakery and pasta noodles are becoming more expensive. what Oil is getting cheaper, gasoline is getting more expensive, the harvest is record-breaking, and wheat and bread are getting more expensive. I suspect that "oats are expensive today" as always. winked The mind does not understand either Russia, or our businessmen, or our helmsmen, or in general what the hell you can understand in this world. In general, byada.
  • Lynx2000
    Lynx2000 14 October 2020 23: 29 New
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    what
    Maybe for other grain crops the yield is somewhere in this year, a record, but I did not notice this on the example of a separate region.
    For example, the Altai Territory "gives" the country about a little less than half of the grain of buckwheat.
    The yield rate is 14 centners per hectare.
    This year the norm barely reaches 9 centners per hectare.
    There are many factors, weather conditions, soil condition, the number of sown areas.
    The issue of agricultural land is also relevant.
    Many agricultural enterprises used the so-called depersonalized shares of former collective farmers, now it is difficult for heirs to formalize and transfer them under a contract to a farmer. Without this, he has no right to open the given participant.
    "Outbidding" plays an important role in the pricing of grain, so the General Prosecutor's Office is checking in the Altai Territory for speculative purchases.
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  • Revolver
    Revolver 15 October 2020 01: 40 New
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    Or maybe global warming isn't so bad?
  • ALARI
    ALARI 15 October 2020 11: 25 New
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    Vintage Russia 2020. The results are record-breaking again. And prices are going up. Paradox: The laws of economics don't seem to work in Russia.
  • Sacrifus
    Sacrifus 15 October 2020 15: 40 New
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    Quote: mordvin xnumx
    Quote: Sacrifus
    Did you go and ask, conducted a survey?

    Spent.

    An empty answer!
  • vindigo
    vindigo 16 October 2020 11: 59 New
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    So bread will rise in price again.
  • nonsense
    nonsense 16 October 2020 14: 19 New
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    :( Urya-ya! I especially liked this:
    (WITH)"
    Without a doubt, to a large extent, the success of domestic farmers is facilitated by their complete provision with everything necessary to obtain such high yields: mineral fertilizers, agricultural machinery and others "
    .
    This very "and other" spoils the whole picture ... Because (C) "a whole list of agricultural crops cultivated in Russia grown from foreign seed stock... The share of crops with imported vegetable seeds in domestic fields is more than 40%, corn - more than 50%, sunflower - about 60%, sugar beet - about 80%, the share of wheat seeds at the moment is about 80-90% ... "Well done, "domestic" farmers! :) And what about the share of domestic agricultural machinery from these "farmers"? - (C) "In 2017, agriculture depended on import supplies of tractors by 69%, almost 90% on machines and equipment for animal husbandry. The meat industry was 94% dependent on imports of equipment, the sugar industry - by 81%, the dairy industry - by 70% (2016). "- I don't think that something has changed dramatically since that time ... So is there anything to be proud of?
  • Andrey Krasnoyarsky
    Andrey Krasnoyarsky 16 October 2020 14: 37 New
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    I read the comments - how many asphalt farmers we have who firmly know how to produce bread without looking up from the computer monitor. But I just looked at the statistics on grain production in the Krasnoyarsk Territory. This is not the fertile Stavropol Territory or Krasnodar Territory, here agriculture is not even risky, but very risky. Interestingly, under the Soviets, the average wheat yield in the 70s and the first half of the 80s (I take the most favorable years) was 16-18 centners / ha. Now with "collapsed and destroyed" agriculture - 24-26 centners / ha. The bread is the same, there is no need to tell tales that it used to be for grocery, but now it is fodder. In this 2020, the harvest is a record 32,2 centner / ha. Next to my house is a shop belonging to the Uzhur Autonomous District (formerly the Uzhur State Farm), where I buy meat and meat products. There is a board on the wall with indicators of an agricultural enterprise. So, last year the wheat yield there was as much as 40,9 kg / ha. In Soviet times, this state farm was average. For comparison, in 1939, the wheat yield there was 10,4 kg / ha. And this was the highest harvest in the 30s. Of course, not all agricultural enterprises in the region are as successful as Uzhursky, but there are many of them. Where the leadership has its head on its shoulders and takes care of production, nothing has fallen apart, and where agriculture is ruled by dumbbells or asphalt farmers, the fields are overgrown with weeds and people from the villages scatter wherever they look.