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Doom and glory. The last trip of the submarine Sch-317

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"Shch-317" at the naval parade. Leningrad, 1939. Photo War-book.ru


In 1942, the submarine forces of the Baltic fleet found themselves in a difficult position. Entering combat service was hampered by the presence of coastal batteries, minefields, anti-submarine ships and a patrol aviation... However, even under such conditions, the submariners solved combat missions and performed feats. So, in the summer, the submarine "Shch-317" of Lieutenant Commander Nikolai Konstantinovich Mokhov set off on its last combat campaign.

The boat and its commander


Medium diesel submarine "Sch-317" project "Pike" X series began service in the Baltic Fleet in the fall of 1936. In the fall and winter of 1939-40, during the Soviet-Finnish war, she made two military campaigns, but had no contacts with enemy ships and was unable to open her battle account.

Doom and glory. The last trip of the submarine Sch-317

Lieutenant Commander N.K. Mokhov. Photo Rg.ruZ

At the time of the attack of Nazi Germany, "Shch-317" was in Tallinn on average repair. The evacuation soon began, and technical readiness was restored only in Kronstadt. At the end of September, another campaign began, again unsuccessful. The next service started in early November and ended soon after. Due to the poor organization of combat work, the submarine came under “friendly fire” and was forced to return to Kronstadt for repairs.

The future commander of the boat "Shch-317" N.K. Mokhov (1912-1942) at that time was the commander of the 9th training submarine battalion, equipped with "Babies". In this position, Mokhov received a negative description: the command noted that he alternates high demands on his subordinates with almost familiarity. There were also other complaints about discipline. As a result, on January 16, 1942, Lieutenant-Commander Mokhov was demoted to the position of commander of the submarine Shch-317.


Submariners with "Shch-317" are engaged in the maintenance of the gun, early 1942. Photo Sovboat.ru

Probably, this position suited N. Mokhov more, and he quickly showed his best side. In the most difficult conditions of the first blockade winter in Leningrad, he was able to organize subordinates and allies and carry out the necessary repairs of his boat. As noted in the award documents, "Shch-317" was the first in its brigade to prepare for hostilities in 1942.

At the end of spring, the ship was ready to go out to sea and hunt for enemy ships. For this, there were 4 bow and 2 aft torpedo tubes on board with ammunition of 10 torpedoes of 533 mm caliber.

Submarine on a campaign


The goal of the Baltic Fleet's submarine campaign in 1942 was to disrupt enemy sea traffic. The transports in the Baltic Sea solved the problem of supplying Army Group North, as well as providing supplies of Finnish and Swedish resources. All these ships, as well as the covering ships, had to be sunk.


Argo transport is the first target of Shch-317. Photo Sovboat.ru

On the night of June 6, the submarine "Sch-317" under the command of N. Mokhov left Leningrad and headed for Kronstadt. This transition was already associated with difficulties. The southern coast of the Gulf of Finland was occupied by the enemy, and the submarine risked falling under fire from artillery and aviation. Fortunately, she was not noticed.

Having completed their preparations, in the late evening of June 9, the submariners left Kronstadt and headed for about. Lavensari (now Powerful Island), where the forward base was located. The first part of the way, to Cape Shepelevsky, had to be overcome on the surface due to the shallow depth. The enemy noticed the submarine several times and began shelling - fortunately, to no avail. Having passed the cape, "Shch-317" sank and got to Lavensari without incident.


Steamer Ada Gorthon is the target of the second successful attack. Photo Sovboat.ru

To reach the assigned combat position and the operational space along the established route, the submarine had to overcome two German minefields. To the south and east of about. Hogland, between the island and the southern shore of the bay, was the Seeigel ("Sea urchin") barrier. This obstacle included several thousand anchor mines arranged in 8-12 rows at different intervals and at different depths.

West of Tallinn, the bay was blocked by the Nashorn barrier ("Rhino"). This time, the submariners were hampered by six lines of several hundred mines. Both obstacles contained non-contact bottom mines that interfered with the passage under the anchor.

Overcoming the obstacles proved to be extremely difficult. The boat had to go to the maximum permissible depth in order not to fall on the anchor mines. At the same time, it was impossible to approach the bottom - to avoid triggering the bottom. It took about three days for the Shch-317 to travel from Gogland outside the Rhino.

Submariners in battle


On June 16, Shch-317 was the first of the Baltic Fleet's submarines to announce that it was entering a combat position. It is curious that this message was intercepted by German radio intelligence - but the command did not attach any importance to it. The Germans considered their barriers reliable enough that no Soviet submarine could break into the open sea.


Destroyer HMS Ehrensköld, enemy in battle on 1 July. Photo Wikimedia Commons

On the same day, the divers noticed the Finnish transport Argo with a cargo of mineral fertilizers. Having made the necessary calculations, N. Mokhov fired and hit the target - and wrote down the first ship for 2513 brt. The Swedish steamer Ulla came to the emergency call from the Argo. Soviet submariners tried to attack him, but missed.

June 18 near about. Gotland spotted the Orion (2405 brt) ship carrying Swedish ore to Germany under the Danish flag. The ensuing attack was partially successful. The torpedoes hit the target, the crew left the steamer, but it did not sink. A few days later he was taken to the nearest port. The next target of "Shch-317" was the Ada Gorthon ore carrier (2400 brt), discovered on June 22 near the island. Eland. The vessel and cargo went to the bottom. On June 25, they carried out another attack, sinking an unidentified vessel by 2500-2600 brt.

On July 1, the steamer Galeon was discovered in the same area, accompanied by the destroyer HMS Ehrenschiöld of the Swedish Navy. "Shch-317" fired back with torpedoes and betrayed itself; the destroyer tried to use depth charges. Both attacks were unsuccessful - the opponents dispersed and lost each other. On July 4, the submariners unsuccessfully attacked the light transport Fortuna, and on July 6 they were again attacked themselves. The destroyer HMS Nordenskjöld did some damage to the boat, but it remained in position.


Otto Cords - 966 brt to the combat score "Shch-317". Sovboat.ru

On July 8, the German transport Otto Cords (966 brt) hit the periscope of Lieutenant-Commander Mokhov. The vessel went to the bottom together with the cargo. Probably, in the following days there were new attacks, but unsuccessful.

On July 10, "Sch-317" informed the command about the use of ammunition, the sinking of five ships and an imminent return home. This was the last radiogram - the boat did not get in touch again. A few days later, the documents reflected: the submarine died during the transition from the combat position to the base. The deceased crew was presented for awards. The commander was awarded the Order of Lenin (posthumously).

Death and memory


For several decades, the circumstances of the death of "Shch-317" and its crew remained unknown. Versions were expressed about an attack from surface ships, coastal artillery or enemy aircraft. Also under suspicion were two minefields on the way to the base.



Fragment of N.K. Mokhov to the award from the "People's feat" database

Everything became clear only a few years ago. In June 2017, at the bottom of the Gulf of Finland between the islands of Gogland and Bolshoy Tyuters, the remains of a sunken submarine were found. In the spring of next year, the expedition "Bow to the ships of the Great Victory" established that it was "Shch-317". On the eve of Victory Day, a plaque was fixed on the ship in memory of 41 dead submariners.

The location and characteristic damage to the submarine clarified the circumstances of her death. "Sch-317" successfully passed through the Nashorn barrier and overcame most of the Seeigel. On the last line of the Sea Urchin, a submarine hit a mine - with fatal consequences.

Underwater successes


In June-July 1942, within 30-40 days of combat service, the submariners with the "Shch-317" used all 10 torpedoes and carried out several attacks, incl. five successful - as indicated in the radiogram. These were significant successes for that time. The submariners of the Baltic Fleet faced various difficulties, and not every cruise ended with at least one sunken ship.


Remains of "Shch-317" at the bottom. Photo Wikimedia Commons

On the combat account of Lieutenant-Commander N.K. Mokhov and his "Shch-317" are three confirmed vessels for a total of almost 5900 brt. Another ship with 2405 brt was attacked and struck, but not sunk. The fifth successful attack has yet to be confirmed. Although other torpedo firing was unsuccessful and there is controversy about one of the successful attacks, the overall performance of the Shch-317 submarine is quite remarkable.

The first and last military campaign of Lieutenant-Commander Mokhov ended in tragedy. However, before that, the submarine "Shch-317" and its crew managed to clearly show the German fleet that it was too early to write off the Baltic Fleet and its submarine forces. They continued to be a formidable force, capable of acting and inflicting damage in the most difficult conditions, despite the blockade, minefields and escort ships.
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  1. Olgovich
    Olgovich 14 October 2020 07: 16
    11
    Heroic submarine. Low bow ...

    The BF leadership could not oppose anything to the mine blockade, which locked it for three years, alas.
  2. parusnik
    parusnik 14 October 2020 07: 20
    +6
    Blessed memory of heroes ..
  3. Catfish
    Catfish 14 October 2020 07: 29
    +1
    [quote] ... the Swedish steamer Ulla. ... the Orion (2405 brt), under the Danish flag [quote]
    [quote] ... On July 1, the steamer Galeon was discovered in the same area, accompanied by the destroyer HMS Ehrenschiöld of the Swedish Navy. "Sch-317" [/ quote]
    [quote] ... conducted another attack, sinking an unidentified vessel by 2500-2600 brt. [/ quote]
    [quote] ... submariners unsuccessfully attacked the light transport Fortuna, the destroyer HMS Nordenskjöld caused some damage to the boat [/ quote]
    [quote] ... On June 22, 3-4 miles from Nora Möklebu (east coast of Åland), the Swedish ship "Ada Gorton" went to the bottom at 2.399 brt with a cargo of iron ore for Germany. The steamer went under water within a minute. 14 crew members, including the ship's captain, were killed. Eight sailors managed to hold out on the water until they were picked up by fishermen [/ quote]
    Well, what happens? Of all the sunk and attacked ships, only one is German. All other neutrals. Yes, they brought ore to the Germans, yes, they acted very badly and did the right thing that they were drowned. But why are German submariners called war criminals in the same situations? Then let's be honest and call pirates pirates, and this does not diminish their contribution to the common cause.
    PS I know that now the minuses are thrown - go for it, only without excessive pathos and grunting.
    1. hohol95
      hohol95 14 October 2020 08: 21
      +2
      oper_1974
      How we drowned the Swedes. 1942 year.
      A. Pochtarev "The price of mutual deviations from principles".
      "Destroy all transports and enemy warships, with the exception of Swedish navy warships, whose attacks are prohibited."
      Stockholm reacted to the incident with a note from its Foreign Ministry, and the command of the Swedish Navy introduced in the area the escort of civilian ships with their warships flying there under any flag, while the planes of the Swedish Air Force began daily patrols over their ships.
      The Naval Commissariat reacted to the note by ordering to refrain from attacking Swedish transports, and already on June 25, a corresponding radiogram was sent to submarines at sea. However, most likely, for some reason they did not receive it on Shch-317, and it is not possible to establish this now, since the boat did not return to the base.
      It is assumed that she remained in that area for another two weeks, since the Swedish archives contain data on an unsuccessful torpedo attack here by a submarine of the Galeon transport on July 1 and on the first bombing of it by Swedish ships an hour later during World War II, and also about the unsuccessful underwater attack of their destroyer on July 4 and two more spaced by 6 hours in time in the bombing of an unknown submarine.
    2. antivirus
      antivirus 14 October 2020 08: 39
      14
      without pathos - saw dystrophic children and understood who works for the Reich and makes money in the war
      neutrals - conditional
      1. Serg koma
        Serg koma 15 October 2020 06: 03
        +4
        "Shch-317, the most effective" Pike "of the Baltic Fleet: history, search, identification"
        BOAT STATE AT BOTTOM
        The boat is heading 80. No rolls, with a bow trim, so that the bow sank into the ground just above the waterline, and the stern is raised above the ground so that the aft rudders are at the ground level, the propellers are partially visible. The hull of the boat is completely intact, except for the broken glass of the cabin and bent antenna posts. The upper conning tower is closed. The anti-aircraft periscope is lowered and turned towards the bow. The commander's periscope is raised a meter, and its lens is turned towards the Bolshoi Tyuters Island. Gyrocompass repeater with closed protective covers, machine telegraph of surface movement, the handles of which are in the "stop" position. On the sides of the bridge there are swivels for anti-aircraft machine guns. Both guns of the 21-K boat are in the stowed position, the barrels are plugged with muzzle plugs, the sights are removed. The boat's rudder group is partially accessible for inspection. Aft horizontal rudders are in the "zero" position. Rudder in zero position. Nasal horizontal rudders are not available for inspection. There are no emergency buoys on the boat, their locations are welded. The escape hatches are closed.

        CONCLUSIONS ON THE RESULTS OF THE INSPECTION
        Based on the inspection of the skeleton of the submarine Shch-317, the following conclusions can be drawn: Forcing the Seeigel minefield, having no information about the presence of an enemy minefield in this place, the submarine commander probably decided to swim under the periscope to clarify his location on the Tyuters Islands and Gogland. Sch-317 hit a German large anti-ship mine EMC from the Seeigel 3 mine line, one of the last lines that the boat had to overcome. The mine, which had an explosive weight of 250 kg and was equipped with an antenna hanging down along the minerail (which detonated the mine when the boat's hull touched the minerep), exploded over the bow of the Shch-317.
        From the damage received from the explosion, the boat fell forward to the ground. Some of the crew probably survived the explosion, but the maximum depth for the boat of almost 80 m did not allow the crew to effectively fight for the survivability of the boat or leave it.

        Everlasting memory.....
    3. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 14 October 2020 08: 56
      +9
      Quote: Sea Cat
      Yes, they brought ore to the Germans

      Incidentally, the KBF drowned only a dozen transports of the Swedes during the entire war, emnip. And the Germans - 270. Because the Swedes placed half of their merchant tonnage at the disposal of the Allies.
      Quote: Sea Cat
      Then let's be honest and let's call pirates pirates.

      Dear Cat, looking for some kind of morality in the ideology of submarine warfare is generally stupid, kmk. The ethical issue was closed back in WWI.
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 14 October 2020 09: 02
        +2
        The ethical issue was closed back in WWI.

        Do you mean Valentiner and company?
        Yes, I did not look for any morality there, I just got tired - there are criminals, here are heroes - but they did the same thing.
        As for the transfer by the Swedes of their trade tonnage to the Allies, you explain to the Anti-Virus, he has the Swedes
        neutrals - conditional
        smile
        1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 14 October 2020 09: 18
          -2
          Quote: Sea Cat
          As for the transfer by the Swedes of their trade tonnage to the Allies, you explain to the Anti-Virus, he has the Swedes
          neutrals - conditional

          I will not. If he started a hurdy-gurdy about "dystrophic children" - the dialogue will not work. In his view, so I suppose, our submariners, before attacking a lonely Sveisk ore carrier, sternly paint on torpedoes "get, Swedish reptile, for the blockade of Leningrad!" ))
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 14 October 2020 09: 30
            -2
            Well, right, it doesn't make sense to get involved.
        2. hohol95
          hohol95 14 October 2020 10: 38
          0
          As for the transfer by the Swedes of their trade tonnage to the Allies, you explain to the Anti-Virus, he has the Swedes

          How many "tons" were broken off for the USSR?
          1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 14 October 2020 13: 31
            +1
            Quote: hohol95
            How many "tons" were broken off for the USSR?

            Stupid question.
            The USSR was "broken off" by the fact that the Swedish merchant tonnage chartered in the 41st Britain was used, among other things, in allied convoys. Isn't that enough?
            1. hohol95
              hohol95 14 October 2020 18: 21
              0
              Stupid question.
              The USSR was "broken off" by the fact that the Swedish merchant tonnage chartered in the 41st Britain was used, among other things, in allied convoys. Isn't that enough?

              Will the names of the ships be given?
            2. hohol95
              hohol95 14 October 2020 19: 16
              +1
              On 13 August 1940, U 60 sank the Swedish ship Niels Gorton. Although the steamer carried the flag of a neutral state, it was on an English charter and was carrying a load of timber from Canada to the UK. The Niels Gorton was torpedoed at the entrance to the Northern Canal and became the first ship to be sunk by Schnee as commander of a submarine.

              Were the Swedish ships carrying cargo for the Third Reich chartered, or did their crews operate the voyages of their own accord at their own peril and risk?
              By the Swedish kindness of soul ...
            3. hohol95
              hohol95 14 October 2020 19: 23
              +3
              1941 year
              transport "Rydboholm" (3,197 brt), convoy OB-290, sunk 26 February 1941 U-47 (crew: Guher Prien)
              transport "Japan" (5,230 brt), convoy OB-310, sunk 4 May 1941 U-38 (comm .: Heinrich Liebe)
              transport "Korshamn" (6,673 brt), convoy HX-112, sunk 16 March 1941 U-99 (comm .: Otto Kretschmer)
              transport "Liguria" (1,751 brt), convoy OB-302, sunk 29 March 1941 U-46 (comm .: Engelbert Endrass)
              transport "Calabria" (1,277 brt), convoy SL-76, sunk 22 June 1941 U-141 (crew: Philipp Schüler)
              transport "Norita" (1,516 brt), convoy OG-69, sunk 28 July 1941 U-203 (crew: Rolf Mützelburg)
              transport "Garm" (1,231 brt), convoy SC-42, sunk 11 September 1941 U-432 (comm .: Heinz-Otto Schultze)
              transport "Scania" (1,999 brt), convoy SC-42, sunk 11 September 1941 U-202 (comm .: Hans-Heinz Linder)
              These convoys went to the USSR?
              1942 year
              And these?
              transport "Yngaren" (5,246 brt), convoy HX-168, sunk 12 January 1942 U-43 (comm .: Wolfgang Lüth)
              transport "Tolken" (4,471 brt), convoy ONS-92, sunk 13 May 1942 U-94 (comm .: Otto Ites)
              transport "Hammaren" (3,220 brt), convoy OS-36, sunk 22 August 1942 U-507 (comm .: Harro Schacht)
              transport "Suecia" (4,966 brt), convoy SC-95, sunk 16 August 1942 U-596 (comm .: Gunter Jahn)
              transport "Blankaholm" (2,845 brt), convoy TAW-13, sunk 18 August 1942 U-553 (com .: Karl Thurmann)
              1943 year
              transport "Neva" (1,456 brt), convoy UR-59, sunk 22 January 1943 U-358 (crew: Rolf Manke)
              transport "Milos" (3,058 brt), convoy SC-121, sunk 9 March 1943 U-530 (comm .: Kurt Lange)
              transport "Vaalaren" (3,406 brt), convoy HX-231, sunk 5 April 1943 U-229 (crew: Robert Schetelig)
              1945 year
              transport "Magne" (1,226 brt), convoy FS-1756, sunk 14 March 1945 U-714 (comm .: Hans-Joachim Schwebcke)
              1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 14 October 2020 20: 38
                -1
                What is this list for you?
                1. hohol95
                  hohol95 14 October 2020 20: 44
                  0
                  Just. Indicate at least one convoy going to the USSR on this list!
                  1. Avior
                    Avior 14 October 2020 22: 18
                    -1
                    and what does it change?
                    1. hohol95
                      hohol95 15 October 2020 08: 03
                      +5
                      I would like to see at least one Swedish steamer that entered the port of the USSR with cargo during the Great Patriotic War.
                      And there is no need to make "white and fluffy lambs" out of the Swedes.
                      They knew about the risk and did not refuse it. For this they received money from the Germans. So they "took care of their country from the occupation." And the true neutral should not sell anything to anyone and anything at all! And let the troops pass through their territory. And the Swedes did it and did not make any claims!
                      1. Avior
                        Avior 15 October 2020 09: 34
                        -4
                        I would like to see at least one Swedish steamer that entered the port of the USSR with cargo during the Great Patriotic War.

                        and what will the USSR port call to change?
                        And the true neutral should not sell anything to anyone and anything at all!

                        Should have given away for free?smile
                        It happened so. Until December 1941.
                        Neutrality implies that you need to trade with the belligerents on the same terms in general.
                      2. hohol95
                        hohol95 15 October 2020 16: 31
                        +1
                        Is the admission of soldiers of the belligerent army across their territory also allowed by neutrality?
                      3. Avior
                        Avior 16 October 2020 08: 44
                        -2
                        No, it is not allowed.
                        As well as the passage of the auxiliary cruiser Cormoran for attacks on merchant ships in violation of the Hague Convention in another neutral country.
                        But nothing is perfect in this world.
                        hi
                      4. hohol95
                        hohol95 17 October 2020 00: 12
                        +1
                        No, it is not allowed.
                        As well as the passage of the auxiliary cruiser Cormoran for attacks on merchant ships in violation of the Hague Convention in another neutral country.
                        But nothing is perfect in this world.

                        The USSR declared its neutrality?
                2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                  Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 15 October 2020 10: 43
                  -3
                  Quote: hohol95
                  And the true neutral should not sell anything to anyone and anything at all!

                  why such a fright? Neutrals have the right to freely trade with the belligerent countries, charter their ships and act as a charterer for the transport of their goods and engage in the transportation of permitted goods belonging to the owners of the belligerent powers. Who canceled the provisions of the Paris Declaration?
                3. hohol95
                  hohol95 15 October 2020 16: 33
                  +1
                  Who canceled the provisions of the Paris Declaration?

                  Is there an article about allowing neutral countries to let the warring army's aviation through their airspace?
                4. hohol95
                  hohol95 15 October 2020 16: 51
                  +3
                  If the troops of one of the belligerents find themselves on the territory of a neutral state, it is obliged to intern them and place them away from the theater of operations.

                  The legal regime of neutrality in air warfare is not regulated by special agreements. Air warfare is subject to the general rules of neutrality. The airspace over the territory of a neutral state is inviolable. Flying through it of lethal vehicles of the belligerents, pursuit of the enemy or engaging in battle are prohibited. The landed military aircraft are delayed, the crew is interned until the end of the war. The belligerents are not entitled to transport troops and military equipment through the airspace of a neutral state. Transportation of sick and wounded on airplanes is allowed.

                  In 1942, 1434 German "courier" aircraft were crossing Swedish airspace in various directions.
                  A neutral state is obliged to prevent the equipment and armament of any vessel and its exit from the territorial waters if there is reason to believe that it will take part in hostilities.

                  Sweden also fulfilled a German order for the supply of 45 fishing trawlers for subsequent conversion into military boats.
                  Arbetarrorelsens arkiv. PA Hansson, vol. 8, b. 106-110.
                  Farago L. The game of foxes. P. 495.
                5. hohol95
                  hohol95 15 October 2020 16: 51
                  +1
                  Neutrality in naval warfare is governed by the XIII Hague Convention on the Rights and Duties of Neutral States in the Event of Naval War.
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  • sevtrash
    sevtrash 14 October 2020 09: 01
    +6
    Quote: Sea Cat
    Then let's be honest and call pirates pirates, and this does not diminish their contribution to the common cause.

    Everything is relative. How many hundreds of thousands of Germans, civilians, died in the bombing of German cities? And the goal was civilians. Incendiary bombs. And the Japanese cities, which were burned with the same incendiary bombs and nuclear weapons. Cities with civilians.
    But history is written by the winner, because the Germans and Japanese were the focus of evil, and the allies were angels in white robes.
    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 14 October 2020 17: 02
      -5
      Quote: sevtrash
      Everything is relative. When bombing German cities

      no need for bombing and allies. On board Goya, out of 7 passengers, 2/3 were civilian refugees. Fewer than 200 people survived. Is Konovalov a hero?
      1. hohol95
        hohol95 14 October 2020 18: 48
        +5
        Shall we compare "Goya" with Soviet ships sunk by German aircraft and boats?
        And divers in the North?
        Or prisoners and women with children who died on August 17, 1942 (the shooting of a caravan of ships near Matveyev Island (out of 328 people, 23 people were rescued) are worse than drowned burghers fleeing from the "parkhat Bolshevik hordes".
        No need to pour "hot" on the graves ...
        1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 14 October 2020 19: 09
          -2
          Quote: hohol95
          No need to pour "hot" on the graves ...

          do not pour. I didn't start to sculpt platitudes like
          Quote: sevtrash
          Everything is relative.

          The death of "Goya" is unanimously considered the largest maritime disaster of the 20th century, but its direct culprit is nevertheless a hero. Paradoxical moral standards.
          Quote: hohol95
          worse than drowned burghers

          in fact, it is not appropriate to operate with the categories "worse or better".
          1. hohol95
            hohol95 14 October 2020 19: 11
            +4
            The death of "Goya" is unanimously considered the largest maritime disaster of the 20th century, but its direct culprit is nevertheless a hero. Paradoxical moral standards.

            Who loaded the refugees onto the warship?
            That is why the demand!
            1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
              Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 14 October 2020 19: 30
              -2
              Quote: hohol95
              Who loaded the refugees onto the warship?
              That is why the demand!

              Yes, this is understandable - the demand is always from the vanquished, you can't argue.
              1. hohol95
                hohol95 14 October 2020 20: 43
                +5
                You probably can see the buttons on the captain's tunic in the continuous fog through the submarine periscope ...
                1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                  Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 14 October 2020 21: 18
                  -7
                  Did I write somewhere that Konovalov or Marinesko should have abandoned attacks. ?
                  Just a little more restrained, I suppose, one should be in assessing their victories, given the afterthought. And not to write a bullshit about "Hitler's personal enemy" and pulling an owl onto the globe with the "destroyed elite submarine of the Third Reich", and the peacekeepers, they say, are just random bagmen, are to blame for jumping on the bandwagon.
      2. Oprichnik
        Oprichnik 20 October 2020 23: 42
        -2
        Yes, Hero! ALL enemy ships were to be sunk. And if the enemy sent the peacekeepers in military vehicles, then this is his problem and mistake.
    2. Avior
      Avior 14 October 2020 22: 20
      +4
      everything is learned through the then existing rules of warfare.
      The bombing of cities according to the Hague Convention of 1907 is an acceptable and legal way of waging war.
      it was banned later, as a result of the Second World War.
  • Olgovich
    Olgovich 14 October 2020 11: 36
    +4
    Quote: Sea Cat
    Well, what happens? Of all the sunk and attacked ships, only one is German. All other neutrals. Yes, they brought ore to the Germans, yes, they acted very badly and did the right thing that they were drowned. But why are German submariners called war criminals in the same situations? T

    1. What are ... "neutrals"?

    FINNISH motor ship, DANISH steamer is direct opponents.

    2. According to the decisions of the allies (i.e. international law), it was absolutely officially introduced naval blockade of Germany, transportation of goods, incl. and iron ore, was considered SMUGGLING with all the consequences.

    Quote: Sea Cat
    But why are German submariners called war criminals in the same situations?

    Yes, not in such, but for the attacks of PASSENGER ships and the destruction of their crews and passengers.
    1. DrEng527
      DrEng527 14 October 2020 13: 16
      +3
      Quote: Olgovich
      What are ... "neutrals"?

      wasting time on another Russophobe request
    2. Catfish
      Catfish 14 October 2020 13: 29
      -2
      Well, Andrey, you have found a friend and like-minded person here - congratulations. laughing
    3. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 14 October 2020 15: 45
      -5
      Quote: Olgovich
      1. What are ... "neutrals"?

      Well, okay, let's say, "Argo" was dragging potash fertilizers from Lubeck to Turku, a strategically important cargo, the war could not be without it, well, Finland is an enemy, they let it go to the bottom. Well, what the hell is the Swedish "Ulla", which came to the aid of those in distress, should have tried to torpedo ??? Just do not need songs that the commander "did not know, did not recognize, did not see the flag" and so on. That is, torpedoing the saving sailors of neutral is normal?
      "Ada Gorton" sank to the bottom within a minute - eight sailors were floundering in the water - and figs with them, "don't die." They were lucky - the fishermen picked up the half-dead. The submarine commander did not help. And, of course, everything that was escorted by the Swedish EMs was too tough for him - it is more convenient and safer to shoot lonely ones, this is logical.
      So - enough double standards, that Dönitz's wolves are all cowardly scoundrels and criminals, and ours are entirely heroes with a halo of nobility. Submarine warfare does not fit into these dull patterns.
      Do not insult people in the compartments with your ratings.
      1. Ryazan87
        Ryazan87 14 October 2020 15: 55
        -3
        "Ada Gorton" sank within a minute - eight sailors floundering in the water

        Comrade Lunin from the Spirited Fleet did worse things with regard to the Norwegian fishermen (and even lit up extremely inconveniently) and did not spoil his heroic veil. The war was absolutely unlimited, with rare glimpses of manifestations of humanity.
      2. hohol95
        hohol95 14 October 2020 18: 49
        0
        What do you think the neutrality of the country in the war means?
      3. Catfish
        Catfish 15 October 2020 02: 50
        -2
        So - enough double standards, that Dönitz's wolves are all cowardly scoundrels and criminals, and ours are entirely heroes with a halo of nobility. Submarine warfare does not fit into these dull patterns.
        Do not insult people in the compartments with your ratings.

        This is what I tried to explain, but if people do not want to understand, then you cannot prove anything to them. hi
      4. Serg koma
        Serg koma 15 October 2020 06: 53
        +3
        Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        So - enough double standards, that Dönitz's wolves are all cowardly scoundrels and criminals, and ours are entirely heroes with a halo of nobility. Submarine warfare does not fit into these dull patterns.

        And OUR, unlike yours, are really Heroes.
        You rush with examples and insert them into conditions equal to your tasks. But the conditions can be different. Start in 1941. Who was the aggressor? Whose troops are near Leningrad? Whose ore (etc.) is taking the lives of your relatives and friends? Who defends their homeland?
        Put yourself in those conditions, and then predict your actions.
        About the Swedish ship "Ulla". You declare with confidence, based only on what is written in the article, and where is the specifics? Who reported where, in what report - "Attacked the ship" Ulla "sailing under a neutral flag in order to destroy it."?
        As an option: torpedoed "Argo", which was still afloat after the first attack, missed. And try to refute this version.
        Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        eight sailors were floundering in the water - and figs with them, "don't die".
        - have you been in a submarine? Can you imagine what kind of cabins the submarine crew has? Go on an excursion at least to have an idea of ​​the possibilities of accommodation and food in autonomous navigation of additional crew members ... You will get a disruption of the combat mission - early abandonment of the place of combat duty.

        Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Don't insult .... people in the compartments.

        That's it - don't insult!!!
      5. Olgovich
        Olgovich 15 October 2020 07: 25
        +4
        Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Well, and, of course, everything that was escorted by the Swedish EMs was too tough for him - it is more convenient and safer to shoot lonely ones, this is logical.

        Lying:
        Steamship Galeon was discovered in the same area on July 1 escorted by the destroyer HMS Ehrenschiöld of the Swedish Navy... "Shch-317" was fired by torpedoes
        Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Well, what the hell is the Swedish "Ulla", which came to the aid of those in distress, should have tried to torpedo ??? Just do not need songs that the commander "did not know, did not recognize, did not see the flag" and so on. That is, torpedoing the saving sailors of neutral is normal?

        Ore cannot be transported - see. German blockade rules
        Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        They were lucky - the fishermen picked up the half-dead. The submarine commander did not help.

        How did you not? If he didn’t kill him, he did.

        So - enough double standards, that Dönitz's wolves are all cowardly scoundrels and criminals, and ours are entirely heroes with a halo of nobility. Submarine warfare does not fit into these dull patterns.

        Nazi submariners' crimes long ago universally recognized by ALL in the world.

        NOBODY recognized ours as such: it makes a difference, doesn't it?

        Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Do not insult .... people in the compartments.

        belay fool
        What kind of nonsense?
        1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 15 October 2020 10: 22
          -7
          Quote: Olgovich
          Lying:
          On July 1, the steamer Galeon was discovered in the same area, accompanied by the destroyer HMS Ehrenschiöld of the Swedish Navy. "Shch-317" was fired by torpedoes

          Well, she shot - so what? What is the result? Did the escort drive her away? I say - escorted ships are too tough - what is wrong ?.

          Quote: Olgovich

          Ore cannot be transported - see. German blockade rules

          Come on, Olgych, what other "rules" do not make you laugh. "Rules" are written solely to be broken. There is nothing more ephemeral than the declarations of the great powers. Ok, let's see:
          what was there in the Paris Declaration of 1956 (the wording, by the way, of Russia) - in the event of a war at sea, neutral countries have the right to freely trade with the belligerent countries, charter their ships to transport their goods and engage in the transportation of permitted goods belonging to the owners of the belligerent powers, So?
          Okay, then - the London Declaration of 1909 introduced the categories of absolute and conditional smuggling, well, let's say.
          By the way, these two declarations also regulate the naval blockade.
          Everything is quite ornate, but on the whole it is understandable and can at least be accepted as a standard.
          But all "peace" declarations are tested by war, as is known. The First World War, as expected, scattered everything - each naval power issued its instructions regarding the blockade rules - the French, Italians, Americans, Germans - who are in what is much and in their own favor, of course.
          But smuggling ... Britain in 1916 abandoned the London Declaration and said that it had its own lists. Germany did this a year earlier.
          So - don't talk about the "rules". The first rule is no rules. And, by the way, why, then, after the sinking of Ada Gorton in Swedish TV, Soviet TASS hastened to come up with a refutation like # ichtamnet - they were not involved in the sinking, our boats are not, but the fact that a fragment of our torpedo - yes HZ, how did Öland have it, themselves in shock.


          Quote: Olgovich
          The crimes of Nazi submariners have long been generally recognized by EVERYONE in the world.


          come on, by whom "all"? Is the Kriegsmarine recognized by the MW as a criminal organization? No? Eck was shot - rightfully so, yes. There is not a single proven case of "crimes". Morrison hitting Bauer (U-126)? Refuted. Broadde (U-209) in the incident off Matveyev Island? Not a single archival document, no investigation, nothing. Except, of course, the heavy delirium of the two "historians" Afanasyev and Tonina, who, under heavy hallucinogens, composed "memoirs of Heinrich Schulze" that do not exist in nature.
          1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 15 October 2020 11: 05
            -5
            Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            what was there in the 1956 Paris Declaration

            1856th, of course. Typo.
        2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 15 October 2020 16: 31
          -5
          Quote: Olgovich
          Don't insult .... people in the compartments.


          What kind of nonsense?

          Brad, Olgych is a splint of the "First after God" type.
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 16 October 2020 09: 18
            +2
            Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            Brad, Olgych is a splint of the "First after God" type.

            , nonsense, Paragraph, this is:
            Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            Don't insult .... people in the compartments.
            ,

            who and where .... "insulted"? belay
      6. Oprichnik
        Oprichnik 20 October 2020 23: 45
        -1
        I imagine the captain emerges and invites the flounders in the water: "Please come aboard, if you are neutral."
        1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 21 October 2020 08: 19
          -2
          You have a rather poor imagination. Better not try to imagine anything.
  • DrEng527
    DrEng527 14 October 2020 13: 13
    +3
    Quote: Sea Cat
    and we will call pirates pirates,

    What a mess in your head - pirates are sea bandits! hi

    Quote: Sea Cat
    without excessive pathos and grunting.

    what for? not a horse feed bully
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 14 October 2020 13: 28
      -2
      I have a brain in my head, and this is what you have. this is another question from questions.
      1. DrEng527
        DrEng527 14 October 2020 13: 31
        0
        Quote: Sea Cat
        I have a brain in my head, and this is what you have. this is another question from questions.

        you frankly flatter yourself, which is clearly seen from the low-standard level of your messages ... request
        As for me, objectively, against my background, you are an illiterate sofa army, however, I am not ready to open incognito to infringe on your pride for a banal reason - why throw pearls before ... hi
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 14 October 2020 13: 43
          -3
          Amazing conceit mixed with the wretchedness of the syllable. Calm down, your incognito is unlikely to interest anyone. tongue
        2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 14 October 2020 13: 45
          -1
          Quote: DrEng527
          then objectively on my background

          wait a minute, honey. You have not yet given out a single intelligible thought in this thread to talk about some of your background. But very quickly they switched to personalities. Do you have something to say on the subject?
          1. DrEng527
            DrEng527 14 October 2020 14: 07
            0
            Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            wait a minute, honey.

            are you in a tavern? laughing
            Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            You have not yet issued a single intelligible thought in this thread to talk about some of your background

            learn to read, and better understand the text ... hi
            Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            Do you have something to say on the subject?

            if it's not a secret - what language do you speak? now it is more clear that you could not understand the text in Russian ... request
            however, I'll give you a 2nd chance out of courtesy:
            Quote: DrEng527
            Quote: Sea Cat
            and we will call pirates pirates,
            What a mess in your head - pirates are sea bandits!
  • Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
    Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 14 October 2020 08: 25
    -4
    and on 6 July they were attacked again. The destroyer HMS Nordenskjöld did some damage to the boat, but it remained in position ..

    The GB damaged the fuel tanks, and the Swedes decided that they had killed the "pike" based on the stains of the diesel fuel.
    On the last line of the Sea Urchin, a submarine hit a mine - with fatal consequences.

    Actually, the latest version - Sch-317 killed GB Swedish EM "Stockholm". Before that, there was a version about a mine explosion on July 15 and finishing off a boat by a Finnish mine-loader, a patrol and an aircraft.
    1. Serg koma
      Serg koma 15 October 2020 09: 34
      +2
      Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Actually, the latest version - Sch-317 killed GB Swedish EM "Stockholm".

      Do you use anything besides Vicki? Your "latest news" is clearly out of date.
      April 30 2018 years
      Immersion and identification of Shch-317 took place. The place of death is significantly different in place, from the place of the allegedly destroyed EM "Stockholm" Sch-317.
      Objects found by K. Bogdanov's reconnaissance and diving team:
      2012 - submarines P-1 Pravda and S-5;
      2013 - submarine S-9 and battleship Lefort;
      2014 - transport "Vayndlo", sailboats of the XIX century, MKT T-387, armored cruiser "Pallada", submarine "Akula", destroyer T18, minesweepers "Explosion" and "Explorer";
      2015 - submarines Shch-324, Shch-306 and M-95;
      2016 - Shch-408 "Baltic Varyag";
      2017 - submarines Shch-406 and Shch-320;
      2018 - destroyers Pryamislav (Kalinin) and Novik (Yakov Sverdlov), submarines S-12, Shch-405 and Shch-317.
      1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 15 October 2020 10: 25
        -5
        swapped the versions, yes) Prevthe last one.
  • Undecim
    Undecim 14 October 2020 10: 17
    +5

    Finnish minelayer Ruotsinsalmi.

    Finnish patrol boat "VMV-6".
    According to one version, on July 15, 1942, these two ships of the Finnish Navy sank the submarine Shch-317 with depth charges.
    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 14 October 2020 10: 41
      0
      Quote: Undecim
      According to one version, on July 15, 1942, these two ships of the Finnish Navy sank the submarine Shch-317 with depth charges.

      I will add:
      SB bomber from LeLv6 (6th Naval Squadron). On such a crew of Lt Terls participated in the sinking of Sch-317 together with the vessels you indicated.

      The squadron's emblem is a white duck with a black bomb in its paws in a yellow ring.
      1. Undecim
        Undecim 14 October 2020 10: 56
        +8
        The last version I found was a detonation on a German EMC C type anchor mine.

        The anchoring system made it possible to use these mines throughout the entire Baltic Sea with minimum depths of up to 6,5 m. Installation on a given recess was carried out automatically from the surface, using a dry cargo method. The deepening of the mines could be from 60 to 0,5 m, that is, they could be used against shallow-draft minesweepers. The minimum mine interval is 130 m, the time for bringing into combat condition is 10-15 minutes. There were several modifications of EMC-type mines, including antenna ones and with individual anti-blowout protection. The latter consisted of a corrugated steel tube of the spacecraft with a length of 27,3 m, mounted on the upper part of the minerep. When the cutter caught the trawl, the tube was not cut by it, but by the friction force it moved upward, as a result of which the contact connected to the ignition glass was closed, and the mine exploded with an electric current coming from a special battery.
        It is assumed that the boat could have hooked on the mine protection of the minrep when attempting to ascend to periscope depth.
        1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 14 October 2020 11: 32
          +1
          All versions are entitled to be)
          but to me personally, the "mine" seems to be the most substantive. The search engines claim that literally next to each other there are three "pikes" - 320, 406 and 317. They are sure that all boats have become victims of the "Sea urchin", although, like a gritsa - #no this is not accurate.
          Shch-320 Vishnevsky - three versions: German ships PLO, mine, torpedo of Finnish submarine Iku Turso
          Shch-406 Osipov - three versions: Finnish minelay "Riilakhti", German "Arado-196", mine.
          well, and according to Shch-317, the versions were higher.
          And so on almost all submarines of KBF.
          In general, the "mine" version is ruled out only in absolutely proven cases - as, for example, with the Shch-305 Sazonov rammed by the Finnish submarine Vetekhinen, or with the S-7 Lisin torpedoed by the same Vetekhinen.
  • Operator
    Operator 14 October 2020 10: 34
    +1
    Baltika is a soup with dumplings, in which only special reconnaissance and sabotage submarines with a displacement less than the "Baby", as well as patrol boats with a displacement of 500 tons or less, can fit. To defeat surface targets, there are missile forces and aircraft.

    But history teaches that our brave military men will not teach anything: they are rapidly building another Baltic Fleet with frigates, corvettes and "Vashavyankas" - like you have to live curly and hold parades on the Neva am
    1. hohol95
      hohol95 14 October 2020 10: 45
      +5
      Rossiyskaya Gazeta
      02.10.2020
      The minesweeper of the Baltic Fleet defused 12 mines in the Gulf of Finland
      The minesweeper of the Baltic Fleet "Alexander Obukhov" discovered and neutralized 12 mines in the Gulf of Finland during the Great Patriotic War.

      10 anchor and 2 bottom.
      At the same time, the minesweeper had to conduct a training trawling.
      And while the crew came across real mines.
    2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 14 October 2020 12: 13
      0
      Quote: Operator
      To defeat surface targets, there are rocket forces and aircraft.

      speech, for a minute, about the Second World War. What, nafig, "rocket troops"?
      Quote: Operator
      Baltika is a soup with dumplings, which can only fit special reconnaissance and sabotage submarines with a displacement less than the "Baby"

      and why would they be needed in 1942? Fighting swimmers under ore carriers bring up?
      1. Operator
        Operator 14 October 2020 12: 32
        -1
        Actually, I was talking about today's BF.
        1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 14 October 2020 12: 44
          0
          Quote: Operator
          Actually, I was talking about today's BF.

          yes, somehow the mention of "baby" weakly correlates with "today's BF")
          Quote: Operator
          as well as patrol boats with a displacement of 500 tons or less.

          do you mean MAC? Or in general the 4th rank?
    3. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 14 October 2020 12: 35
      +2
      Quote: Operator
      Baltika is a soup with dumplings, in which only special reconnaissance and sabotage submarines with a displacement less than the "Baby", as well as patrol boats with a displacement of 500 tons or less, can fit.

      And the Germans did not know - they were building their "205" and "206" just for the Baltic. smile
      1. Operator
        Operator 14 October 2020 12: 39
        -9
        I am opposed to slave copying, especially foreign stocks.
        1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 14 October 2020 13: 34
          +2
          Quote: Operator
          I'm anti-slave ripping

          the pose is, of course, beautiful, but what do you want to say?
          1. Operator
            Operator 14 October 2020 13: 35
            -2
            See my comment from 10:34 am.
            1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
              Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 14 October 2020 13: 36
              -1
              Quote: Operator
              See my comment from 10:34 am.

              what has it to do with
              Quote: Operator
              slave copying

              Whom do we slavishly copy?
              1. Operator
                Operator 14 October 2020 13: 39
                -2
                Foreign countries, of course.

                Thank God, recently they began to copy (try) us - GKR, NPA, CPB.
  • VohaAhov
    VohaAhov 14 October 2020 14: 22
    +1
    It turns out the following statistics:
    Sank 3 (5824 grt) and damaged 1 (2405 grt) enemy ship (+26):
    1. Transport "Argo" (Finland, 1892) 16.06.42/2513/98,5 (13,47 brt, 6,22x8,5x9 m, XNUMX knots) (cargo-potassium salt) (+ XNUMX)
    2. Transport "Orion" (Denmark) 18.06.42/2405/3 (XNUMX brt) (in ballast) (badly damaged) (+ XNUMX)
    3. Transport “Ada Gorton” (Sweden, 1917) 22.06.42/2405/89 (13,4 brt, 6,1x9x14 m, 2 knots) (cargo - iron ore) (+ XNUMX/XNUMX)
    4. Transport “Otto Cords” (Germany, 1910) 8.07.42/906/70,6 (10,3 gross vehicles, 3,7 x 13 x XNUMX m, XNUMX knots)
  • Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
    Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 14 October 2020 14: 49
    +1
    Due to the poor organization of combat work, the submarine came under “friendly fire” and was forced to return to Kronstadt for repairs.

    On November 3, 41, she lay on the ground near Gogland. Heard the sound of propellers, began to surface. He gave out an air bubble, the Soviet patrol boat (and it turned out to be at the top) threw GB. They were damaged, surfaced, were fired upon from a cannon (15 rounds 45mm). As a result, marksmanship of the Soviet artillerymen pierced the PC in the area of ​​28-29 frames (the hole was 1.5 m above the waterline). Combustion in the 2nd compartment. The spare torpedo is damaged. Due to a short circuit in the lighting circuit, the battery breakers have turned off. The light went out. At the entrance to the Surkyla Bay, the diesel operators, having confused the reverse with the forward one, put the boat on the stones. Received additional damage to the underwater hull.
    None of the crew were injured.
    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 15 October 2020 07: 41
      0
      Why minus?
      Doesn't fit into the heroic matrix?
      Well, here it is - what happened was.
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 15 October 2020 10: 39
      0
      Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      On November 3, 41, she lay on the ground near Gogland. Heard the sound of propellers, began to surface. He gave out an air bubble, the Soviet patrol boat (and it turned out to be at the top) threw GB. They were damaged, surfaced, were fired upon from a cannon (15 rounds 45mm).

      All questions here are for those who planned the transition of the submarine together with the KON to Hanko with the joining of this submarine to the KON only in the Gogland area. How did the KON guard have to distinguish their sub from the enemy in order to allow their sub to the KO?
      Naturally, upon discovering an unidentified emerging submarine, the MO-4 crew first bombed (pops up under the periscope - will shoot), then fired back, and only after receiving identification numbers ceased fire.
      Moreover, this was not an isolated case - EMNIP, in 1942 the MO-4 group, which met the returning submarine, in the same way, without receiving identification numbers, bombed it and reported to the headquarters about the sinking of the enemy submarine. The divers, out of harm's way, left the meeting area - and returned the next day. This time they managed to give an identification - and listened to colorful stories how yesterday the hunters sank an enemy submarine. smile
      1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 15 October 2020 11: 02
        0
        It happens.
        Even Kretschmer did not recognize their own from Bergen in June 1940. Scharnhorst almost ditched the future "star" with his arada)
  • Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
    Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 14 October 2020 14: 54
    +3
    A few days later he was taken to the nearest port. The next target of "Shch-317" was the Ada Gorthon ore carrier (2400 brt), discovered on June 22 near the island. Eland. The vessel and cargo went to the bottom.


    Refutation of TASS
    Newspaper "Kr. Zvezda" from 11.07.1942/XNUMX/XNUMX
    ))
    No submarines ....
  • Captain45
    Captain45 14 October 2020 15: 35
    0
    There is an interesting autobiographical book about submarine warfare in the Baltic by the commander of the submarine L-3, Captain 1st Rank P.D. Grishchenko, "Fight Under Water".
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  • hjvtp1966
    hjvtp1966 15 October 2020 19: 43
    0
    Quote: hohol95
    It is not clear why, but for the unearthed facts +! After all, we are here looking for the truth. Propaganda is also important, but alas, they are often far from each other ...
  • hjvtp1966
    hjvtp1966 15 October 2020 19: 44
    0
    Quote: hohol95
    1941 year
    transport "Rydboholm" (3,197 brt), convoy OB-290, sunk 26 February 1941 U-47 (crew: Guher Prien)
    transport "Japan" (5,230 brt), convoy OB-310, sunk 4 May 1941 U-38 (comm .: Heinrich Liebe)
    transport "Korshamn" (6,673 brt), convoy HX-112, sunk 16 March 1941 U-99 (comm .: Otto Kretschmer)
    transport "Liguria" (1,751 brt), convoy OB-302, sunk 29 March 1941 U-46 (comm .: Engelbert Endrass)
    transport "Calabria" (1,277 brt), convoy SL-76, sunk 22 June 1941 U-141 (crew: Philipp Schüler)
    transport "Norita" (1,516 brt), convoy OG-69, sunk 28 July 1941 U-203 (crew: Rolf Mützelburg)
    transport "Garm" (1,231 brt), convoy SC-42, sunk 11 September 1941 U-432 (comm .: Heinz-Otto Schultze)
    transport "Scania" (1,999 brt), convoy SC-42, sunk 11 September 1941 U-202 (comm .: Hans-Heinz Linder)
    These convoys went to the USSR?
    1942 year
    And these?
    transport "Yngaren" (5,246 brt), convoy HX-168, sunk 12 January 1942 U-43 (comm .: Wolfgang Lüth)
    transport "Tolken" (4,471 brt), convoy ONS-92, sunk 13 May 1942 U-94 (comm .: Otto Ites)
    transport "Hammaren" (3,220 brt), convoy OS-36, sunk 22 August 1942 U-507 (comm .: Harro Schacht)
    transport "Suecia" (4,966 brt), convoy SC-95, sunk 16 August 1942 U-596 (comm .: Gunter Jahn)
    transport "Blankaholm" (2,845 brt), convoy TAW-13, sunk 18 August 1942 U-553 (com .: Karl Thurmann)
    1943 year
    transport "Neva" (1,456 brt), convoy UR-59, sunk 22 January 1943 U-358 (crew: Rolf Manke)
    transport "Milos" (3,058 brt), convoy SC-121, sunk 9 March 1943 U-530 (comm .: Kurt Lange)
    transport "Vaalaren" (3,406 brt), convoy HX-231, sunk 5 April 1943 U-229 (crew: Robert Schetelig)
    1945 year
    transport "Magne" (1,226 brt), convoy FS-1756, sunk 14 March 1945 U-714 (comm .: Hans-Joachim Schwebcke)

    It is not clear why, but for the unearthed facts +! After all, we are here looking for the truth. Propaganda is also important, but alas, they are often far from each other ...
    1. hohol95
      hohol95 15 October 2020 22: 04
      0
      This is to say - did the Swedes file notes of protest in the Third Reich for the sinking of their ships?
      Chartered by the British though! Then they went under their own, Swedish flag!
      There are NO answers from the opposite side of the "conversation"!
      And Soviet sailors sunk ships sailing to the Third Reich. And only about 10 ships were sunk! And the Swedes sent protests with enviable regularity.
      But the Germans did their best ... And from the Swedish side, not a single "exhaust".
  • Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 16 October 2020 16: 01
    +1
    Quote: hohol95
    This is to say - did the Swedes file notes of protest in the Third Reich for the sinking of their ships?
    Chartered by the British though! Then they went under their own, Swedish flag!
    There are NO answers from the opposite side of the "conversation"!
    And Soviet sailors sunk ships sailing to the Third Reich. And only about 10 ships were sunk! And the Swedes sent protests with enviable regularity.
    But the Germans did their best ... And from the Swedish side, not a single "exhaust".

    The Swedes set minefields at the request of Germany and not a single minefield at the request of the USSR.
    True, on their mines, which they placed at the request of Germany, 3 German minesags sank by mistake, but this often hits.
    Doenitz was tried for the shooting of sailors by sunken ships in lifeboats. And most importantly, he was tried because the Reich lost the war. He must beat his own hara-kiri to preserve his honor. The captain leaves with his ship and he beat the grand admiral