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Al-Jazeera discusses S-400 testing in Turkey and the risk of being used against Russian aviation

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In the near future, Turkey expects to conduct additional tests of the Russian S-400 air defense system. It is not clear yet whether these plans of Ankara are connected with a new armed conflict in Karabakh.


As you know, the decision to purchase the S-400 air defense system from Russia caused a storm of indignation among Turkey's main NATO partner, the United States. Nevertheless, Recep Erdogan did not follow Washington's lead and the S-400s were nevertheless delivered to Turkey. For this, the United States excluded Turkey from the F-35 fighter program.

After the delivery of the S-400, the Turkish military began testing them. First, Turkish F-16 and F-4 aircraft simulated an attack by Ankara and were spotted by S-400 radars. Then a Greek F-16 plane, returning from NATO exercises, hit the radar field.

In early October this year, the Turkish command deployed the S-400 to the Black Sea, to the Sinop region. It is here that they are going to be checked again. Meanwhile, a number of foreign mass media are already expressing concern about the possible preparation of the S-400 for participation in a new armed conflict in Transcaucasia, if it goes beyond the borders of Karabakh and Turkey joins it. In this case, the S-400 can be used against the Russian aviation.

As Al-Jazeera writes, unlike the Patriot, the S-400 air defense system can hit several aircraft at once at a distance of up to 400 kilometers. This means that with the help of the S-400 Turkish air defense "covers" most of Syria. Moreover, the S-400 battery stationed on the Syrian-Turkish border is capable of striking aircraft in the Damascus region and even Beirut. Naturally, Russian planes heading to the Khmeimim base in the Syrian province of Latakia are also hit by the battery.

It is not only Russia, Syria and Armenia that should worry about Turkey's possession of the S-400, but also Greece. Although Greece is formally Turkey's ally in the North Atlantic Alliance, in reality both countries have long viewed each other as possible adversaries. Greece operates the Russian S-300 air defense systems, and is very concerned about the appearance of a more advanced air defense system in Turkey.

With the help of the S-400, Turkey can control the entire Aegean Sea and the Eastern Mediterranean. Worth remembering history the late 1990s, when Cyprus acquired the S-300 from Russia. Then it was Ankara who protested against the deployment of air defense systems in Cyprus, claiming that with their help, Cyprus will be able to control southern Turkey. As a result, the S-300s were transferred to Greece and deployed in Crete.


The video showed the passage of the S-400 air defense missile system through the streets of a Turkish city. Here, on the Black Sea coast of the country, Ankara is going to once again conduct combat tests of the Russian air defense system. To ensure the safety of the tests, appropriate recommendations were given to civil aviation.

So far, writes Al-Jazeera, it is not very clear where the Turks will deploy the S-400. But in any case, their presence in service with the Turkish army has now added problems to Russia. At first, Moscow hoped to win from a lucrative contract and at the same time demonstrate to the United States its growing influence over Turkish President Recep Erdogan, but now the sold S-400s can be used anywhere - in Syria, Libya, in the Caucasus.

Being extremely effective, the S-400 air defense systems significantly increase the combat potential of the Turkish air defense, which now has practically no competitors in the region, except perhaps Israel or Iran. The latter, by the way, should also be worried, taking into account the centuries-old and not stopped to this day confrontation with Turkey for political influence in the Middle East and Transcaucasia.

Probably, at one time it was necessary to think more carefully about all the possible consequences of profitable contracts. For example, the same USA does not supply weapon to their potential adversaries, especially the weapons that would allow them to act effectively against the American army or its allies.
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  1. SRC P-15
    SRC P-15 13 October 2020 19: 01
    15
    If the Turkish S-400s could hit Russian aircraft, these complexes would hardly be sold to Turkey! yes
    1. Hunter 2
      Hunter 2 13 October 2020 19: 07
      +5
      Even if they try ... it will be Nedosultan's last mistake.
      And everything is correct - the export option with a probability of 99% simply will not be able to do this.
      1. Pshelts
        Pshelts 13 October 2020 20: 07
        +1
        Quote: Hunter 2
        Even if they try ... it will be Nedosultan's last mistake.
        And everything is correct - the export option with a probability of 99% simply will not be able to do this.

        The main thing here is an attempt to play us off ... and all the nuances of export technologies are not important to them
        Let them howl and fake dreams .. hi
        1. max702
          max702 13 October 2020 20: 48
          +4
          The Israeli military site and the strengthening of the air defense of any player in the region with a sickle in one place, hence the howl in the swamps is ..
        2. Vladimir_6
          Vladimir_6 13 October 2020 21: 46
          -1
          Quote: Pshelty
          The main thing here is an attempt to play us off.

          Each "XPerd" in a tie scares Russia with Erdogan, as little children are scared with Karabas-Barabas. There is no way to play off Russia with Turkey. Putin again did not come to the war.
          1. shahor
            shahor 13 October 2020 22: 25
            +9
            Quote: Vladimir_6
            Putin again did not come to the war.

            And it will not come. This is what the Sultan uses, in Syria, in Libya. Now he has come to Transcaucasia ... But he did not recognize Crimea as Russian.
            So, shall we supply him with another S-400 division? Or maybe the Iskander brigade? How much money!
            1. Vladimir_6
              Vladimir_6 13 October 2020 22: 42
              -2
              Quote: shahor
              And it will not come. This is what the Sultan uses, in Syria, in Libya. Now I've come to Transcaucasia ...

              Below on the thread there is a comment by the comrade "Hrych". Read it, everything is extremely brief and clear.
              I would like to add that those who wish to watch the massacre of Russia and Turkey will not be satisfied.
              But he did not recognize Crimea as Russian.

              From not recognizing Crimea, by anyone, it did not cease to be Russian.
              1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
                Boris ⁣ Shaver 13 October 2020 22: 54
                -1
                Quote: Vladimir_6
                those wishing to watch the massacre of Russia and Turkey will not be satisfied

                Do you think we will surrender without a fight?
                1. Vladimir_6
                  Vladimir_6 13 October 2020 22: 55
                  0
                  Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
                  Do you think we will surrender without a fight?

                  No Boris. I am sure there will be no fight. hi
                  1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
                    Boris ⁣ Shaver 13 October 2020 23: 12
                    +7
                    Quote: Vladimir_6
                    I'm sure there won't be a fight

                    When Russia or the United States supported the various parties to the conflict, when they maneuvered their forces, trying to get a better position before a possible collision with each other, this was called the Cold War.
                    When Erdogan supports terrorists in Syria, whom we have been killing for years, when we have to drag S-400s to Syria, because the Turks simply took and shot down our plane and their charges killed our pilot, when Erdogan brings his tame terrorists to our borders when his troops are directly at war with Haftar we supported (shooting at our military experts as well), when the Turks kill our ambassador and threaten our next ambassador with impunity, when we are forced to destroy their military columns, when the Turks seize a significant part of the territory by force Syria that is allied to us, regardless of the Syrians or us, when they stir up (including manpower and resources) the conflict on our borders, etc. etc. - do you express confidence that there will be no conflict between us? Yes, he is already in full swing. And with real victims on each side. What are you talking about here? Have you read the news for the last 10 years?
                    1. Vladimir_6
                      Vladimir_6 14 October 2020 00: 05
                      0
                      Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
                      do you express confidence that there will be no conflict between us?

                      Yes, I am confident that there will be no WAR between Russia and Turkey.
                      What are you talking about here? Have you read the news for the last 10 years?

                      Convicts interpret "interpretations" in the zone, and on the forum they express their opinions.
                      Your post so emotional did not make any impression on me. You can continue to express your thoughts more calmly. And the questions about the downed plane and the murder of Ambassador Karlov indicate that either you yourself missed the discussion of these topics, or you are one of those people who are annoyed by the lack of sight.
                      Regarding Turkey's participation in the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict, if you don’t believe me, listen to the opinion of the historian publicist David Eidelman. He has been reading the news for the past 10 years for sure.
                      1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
                        Boris ⁣ Shaver 14 October 2020 01: 09
                        -6
                        Quote: Vladimir_6
                        Convicts interpret the "interpretation" in the zone

                        Stop the tantrum.

                        Quote: Vladimir_6
                        Yes, I am confident that there will be no WAR between Russia and Turkey

                        But who cares what you call it, if ours are dying from Turkish fire today, the territories of our allies are being captured by the Turks, a fire is blazing near our borders with the absolutely open support of Erdogan, and terrorists are being brought to our borders, to prevent them from entering the Caucasus. for years our military (but not politicians, as it turns out) worked, and so on, so on. We are giving up one geopolitical position after another, we are losing people. But at the same time we continue to kiss the gums of those who kick us out of these positions.
                      2. Vladimir_6
                        Vladimir_6 14 October 2020 01: 35
                        0
                        Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
                        But who cares what you call it, if ours are dying from Turkish fire today, the territories of our allies are being captured by the Turks, a fire is blazing near our borders with the absolutely open support of Erdogan, and terrorists are being brought to our borders, to prevent them from entering the Caucasus. years our military (but not politicians, as it turns out) and so on, so on. We are giving up one geopolitical position after another, we are losing people.

                        Stop the tantrum. In general, I am amazed at how the General Staff can cope without such a strategist as Boris Shaver. The homeland is in danger, and you are wiping your pants here.
                        You are not only hysterical, but also alarmist.
                      3. Boris ⁣ Shaver
                        Boris ⁣ Shaver 14 October 2020 02: 12
                        +2
                        Quote: Vladimir_6
                        Stop the tantrum

                        I don't know about the General Staff, but you can't even formulate your thought without repeating after me. I hope, in addition to stylistic devices, I managed to enrich your mind and some, for most people, and so obvious, thoughts on the issue under discussion.
                        Be healthy.
                      4. Vladimir_6
                        Vladimir_6 14 October 2020 04: 48
                        -2
                        Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
                        I don't know how in the General Staff,

                        I don't know either, but unlike you, I positively assess the actions of the Russian leadership and the General Staff.
                        you cannot even formulate your thought without repeating after me.

                        You flatter yourself. For instead of repeating the phrase "Stop the hysterics" another one suggested itself, which would upset you.
                        I hope, in addition to stylistic tricks, I managed to enrich your mind

                        A very bold conceit. With such non-serious fabrications, you have no chance to enrich anyone's mind. Work better on improving your own.
                        Cowards and opportunists turn a blind eye to reality. A normal person should have the courage to face the truth.

                        Different people see the same reality in their own way. And there is no guarantee that your reality is the truth. "Errare humanum est".

                        In addition, in my reality, I saved two human lives. Therefore, your quoted phrase is just a slogan on duty.
                        Be healthy.

                        And you take care of yourself.
                    2. Boris ⁣ Shaver
                      Boris ⁣ Shaver 14 October 2020 02: 41
                      +2
                      Quote: Vladimir_6
                      alarmist

                      Cowards and opportunists turn a blind eye to reality. A normal person should have the courage to face the truth.
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  • garik77
    garik77 14 October 2020 00: 00
    +2
    So with all modern air defense systems going for export.
    But there is a precedent when the Ukrainians in the war 080808 recoded Buki and shot down our planes with them. I dare to hope that such a trick will not work with the S-400.
    1. hydrox
      hydrox 14 October 2020 11: 43
      0
      It must be remembered that the Buk was a collegial development of all the republics that had suitable technologies, so any of the electronics developers could do this at that time.
      Now, not a single product is produced without tabs, but then even the Academy of Sciences of the USSR did not disdain with tabs and in Ying-t encouraged their active use.
  • deniso
    deniso 13 October 2020 19: 54
    0
    Interestingly, our specialists will guess to make bookmarks in the sold equipment to take over control (if technically possible))))
    1. MKPU-115
      MKPU-115 13 October 2020 21: 05
      -1
      Quote: denis obuckov
      Interestingly, our specialists will guess to make bookmarks in the sold equipment to take over control (if technically possible))))

      There is a catch in the missiles, they, export, cannot work on our VKS, when the target approaches, they go to the zenith and self-destruct.
      1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
        Boris ⁣ Shaver 13 October 2020 22: 56
        +4
        Quote: MKPU-115
        when approaching, the targets go to the zenith and self-destruct.

        Yeah. And the installation itself rolls up and leaves for Russia.
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  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 13 October 2020 20: 03
    +1
    Quote: СРЦ П-15
    If the Turkish S-400s could hit Russian aircraft, these complexes would hardly be sold to Turkey!

    I have been writing about this for a long time ... they have eliminated it ... But the NATO systems do not work against NATO aircraft either !!! Erdogan could have been shot down by Turkish fighters during the putsch, and his own air defenses were powerless to help him! The more complex the weapon, the more difficult it is to somehow rebuild it, find some kind of bookmarks in it and completely subordinate it to your "Wishlist" ...
    1. Glory Ponomarev
      Glory Ponomarev 13 October 2020 20: 23
      0
      And what air defense systems did Turkey have during the putsch? That could not help ..
      And yet, does someone really think that Turkey is taking these complexes to protect itself from the United States) So, if the United States suddenly needs them, they will be taken out into the lungs, because without cover with small-radius complexes, the С400 is defenseless against the CD and UAVs
      1. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 13 October 2020 21: 45
        -1
        Quote: Slava Ponomarev
        And yet, does anyone really think that Turkey is taking these complexes to protect it from the United States) So


        For protection from NATO, of course. And also in order to feel the newest long-range air defense system with the pens and understand what requirements should be presented to it. No one sold such air defense systems to the Turks, and the Air Force also has the youngest block of the F-16 - the 50th, and basically they have the 30th and 40th ...

        if the United States suddenly needs them, they will be taken out into the lungs, because without cover with small-radius complexes, the С400 are defenseless against the CD and UAVs

        The Turks have ZSU and short-range air defense systems in commercial quantities.
    2. MKPU-115
      MKPU-115 13 October 2020 21: 06
      -1
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      So after all, NATO systems do not work against NATO aircraft !!!

      Yes, they don't.
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Erdogan could have been shot down by Turkish fighters during the putsch, and his own air defenses were powerless to help him!

      Therefore, the export S-400 was purchased.
    3. Boris ⁣ Shaver
      Boris ⁣ Shaver 13 October 2020 23: 22
      +5
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      So after all, NATO systems do not work against NATO aircraft !!!

      The Turkish and Greek F-16s worked quite well against each other.
      In general, there are a lot of similar examples. I do not know of any reverse examples, when NATO equipment would refuse to shoot at NATO equipment. Even in exercises they completely take their own people out of their technology by mistake.
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  • venik
    venik 13 October 2020 21: 04
    -1
    Quote: SRC P-15
    If the Turkish S-400s could hit Russian aircraft, these complexes would hardly be sold to Turkey! yes

    ========
    good So this is the "whole trick"! All these arguments of "Al Jazeera" are nothing more than the arguments of "sofa experts"! After all none does not know HOW to most effectively suppress a high-tech weapon system, better than the one who CREATED it! Why did the Yankees get so excited about the sale of the S-400 to Turkey? Is it just because they have taken away a tidbit of the "gun pie"? No matter how it is! (In the end, they could have sucked in on the "Patriot" PAC-3!). And not because the S-400 can "drop" data on the F-35 to satellites! They were afraid of something else: if the Turks bought the Patriots, the Yankees would know HOW to effectively deal with them (in the event of a conflict with the Sultan against the background of a general mutual "cooling") ..... And how to effectively deal with St. 400 - they DO NOT KNOW (and the Turks are in no hurry to share with them!). But the American "Patriots" - yes! For our videoconferencing (and not only ours) they can pose a serious danger (much more than the S-400, although they are somewhat inferior to the "four hundred") ...
  • Sanche
    Sanche 13 October 2020 21: 44
    +4
    Quote: SRC P-15
    If the Turkish S-400s could hit Russian aircraft, these complexes would hardly be sold to Turkey! yes

    Well, yes ... well, yes ... The hopes of the young men are nourished.
    It might as well be argued that the AK-45 will not fire towards the Russians.
    1. anykin
      anykin 13 October 2020 23: 42
      +2
      In how many seconds do you completely disassemble and assemble the S-400?
  • iouris
    iouris 13 October 2020 22: 08
    +2
    Again: if only, if only. Russian business: in the morning you sell for a ruble, and in the evening you buy for five. You will have to pay for the games with Erdogan in partnership in the name of the Turkish empire. Expensive. The future sultan needs a lot.
  • shahor
    shahor 13 October 2020 22: 19
    0
    Quote: СРЦ П-15
    If Turkish S-400s could hit Russian planes,

    Sure?
  • Scoun
    Scoun 13 October 2020 22: 33
    +3
    Quote: СРЦ П-15
    If Turkish S-400s could hit Russian planes,

    Maybe they can, but for how long? This weapon, used once against the "seller", paints a big fat crescent moon with brilliant green on the forehead of the one who used it. The one who applied immediately becomes a bargaining chip in the game of big guys who will play, shuffle and the card will remain, but not the fact that it will remain a trump "king", may become a lady of hearts.
  • 72jora72
    72jora72 14 October 2020 01: 22
    0
    If the Turkish S-400s could hit Russian aircraft, these complexes would hardly be sold to Turkey!
    Knowing our "geniuses", I'm not sure of anything .......
  • strelokmira
    strelokmira 14 October 2020 03: 16
    -1
    If the Turkish S-400s could hit Russian aircraft, these complexes would hardly be sold to Turkey!

    If everything was in order with his head, the commentators were unlikely to cheer ...
  • Roman070280
    Roman070280 14 October 2020 09: 59
    +2
    Sold them for money .. money doesn't smell ..
    And who will be at the helm of the plane, and who sold - are far from the same people.
  • Pshelts
    Pshelts 13 October 2020 19: 01
    0
    S-400 in Turkey and the risk of being used against Russian aviation

    Let them try! I think they will regret it later .. Our designers are not so stupid to sell an export version with all devices. NATO member
    1. Fregate
      Fregate 13 October 2020 20: 29
      +5
      There was an article just the other day about the S-400 "An own goal or a contract with a long-range scope?" Where the author reasoned that if the radar technology gets to the Americans, they will be able to quickly develop algorithms for their electronic warfare in order to effectively push through the S-400 radar. But we know "from what" we made the S-400 for the Turks, what algorithms they use. This means that we must have effective electronic warfare against them.
      1. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 13 October 2020 21: 40
        +3
        Quote: Fregate
        Where the author reasoned


        The author is illiterate. From the word in general.
        Exactly one example, for the ancient Osu-ME. I will refrain from giving information on more modern complexes.
        So Osa-ME had one daily frequency of operation of the complex and 4 "Liter" combat ones. On our Osa-M "Literal" frequencies 4 TIMES! more.Roughly speaking, export options have always been simplified compared to our ...
    2. Sanche
      Sanche 13 October 2020 21: 46
      -4
      Quote: Pshelty
      S-400 in Turkey and the risk of being used against Russian aviation

      Let them try! I think they will regret it later .. Our designers are not so stupid to sell an export version with all devices. NATO member

      You think too well of your designers, who live on a miserable salary. Get down to the ground
    3. DominickS
      DominickS 13 October 2020 23: 21
      +3
      The decision to sell is not made by designers.
  • leks
    leks 13 October 2020 19: 03
    -1
    Someone-war-someone is a mother.
    Money doesn't smell! negative
  • Asad
    Asad 13 October 2020 19: 10
    0
    I don't think Erdogan is so frostbitten!
  • kot423
    kot423 13 October 2020 19: 10
    +4
    Somewhere I came across infa that at the end of August the Turks shook the mattresses during the Eunomia-2020 exercises. laughing We took the matrasovsky f-16 at gunpoint and carried out the whole complex, it remained only to give the command "or". And now there are 2 congressmen emanating with boiling water, demanding that the State Department deal with the Turks smile
  • ZEMCH
    ZEMCH 13 October 2020 19: 28
    +4
    Of course, Al Jazeera knows how Turkey will use the S-400)) I think both Russia and the United States envisage the option of trying to use the sold air defense systems against their aircraft. And they took action.
  • north 2
    north 2 13 October 2020 19: 51
    +3
    I can’t understand the goals and benefits of Russia that it supplied Turkey with the S-400. What would split the unity of NATO to wipe the nose of the American military-industrial complex, to make money? So all this pales before the hidden and not advertised insult by Turkey that Russia has taken away the most desirable geopolitical and military foothold of Crimea from under Turkey's nose. And how many oil tankers with smuggled Syrian oil, who carried oil to Turkey,
    destroyed by Russia in Syria? After all, the first to destroy the Russian Aerospace Forces in Syria were oil tankers to Turkey. And Turkey's grievances for all its defeats
    Russia, for the fact that only with a happy coincidence at the beginning of the twentieth century, Constantinople did not become a Russian city, and Tsar Nicholas II already
    considered how many thousands of Cossacks from the Kuban would have to be resettled to the Russian part of Turkey and to Constantinople? How did Turkey participate in
    care and supply of Chechen terrorists during the Chechen war in Russia? And the Russian ambassador killed by a Turk in Turkey, and a Russian plane shot down by Turkey. Impudently in the back. So it didn’t come to Putin that after all these historical and today's lessons from Turkey, at any moment Russia could get a knife in the back. And after that, will it supply Turkey with one of the most modern S-400 weapons? Where were the Russian
    political and military analysts, experts, historians, advisers to Putin and the military? ? Maybe I don't understand something, if not a military man and not a politician. Can anyone from the respected commentators explain to me what the benefits were, the goals and this same tsimus for Russia, when, after all the above, she took and sold Turkey one of its main and modern weapons. By the way, they have no analogues in the world.
    1. hrych
      hrych 13 October 2020 20: 30
      +5
      Quote: north 2
      Can anyone from the respected commentators explain to me
      Let me try laughing Everything you described was before the coup. The coup is key. The coup itself was provoked by an economic blow from Russia, a masterful sabotage against the Turkish Air Force, as well as the pre-war situation with Casus Belli. The caste that ruled Turkey for the last century, in such a situation, takes full control over itself and removes the civil, political cabinet. Plus Erdogan had previously ceased to suit them, like the West. RF undoubtedly pulled off the economic stranglehold, certainly admitted a blow. But the intelligence, apparently, received information about the preparations for the coup and Erdogan was saved. The elite of Turkey has undergone a revolutionary change comparable to the fall of Tsarism in RI. The hereditary, primarily military caste has been eliminated. The southern flank of NATO, where Turkey's role was decisive, also cracked. In the European theater, NATO was preparing to defend itself against the tank fist of the USSR, and in the South, a strike was being prepared into the underbelly of the USSR, using local peoples. After the collapse of the USSR, the Russian Federation in general became less protected in this direction. But a number of actions, including military ones, made it possible to defend the control of the Caucasus and have bridgeheads in the Transcaucasus. Therefore, we need Erdogan to destroy NATO and have already cracked their Southern Front. It is also now used against Pashinyan's magpie and the training of Armenia. And the S-400 makes it possible to repel an Israeli Air Force attack. Because American weapons, in particular the Turkish F-16, cannot attack the Israeli F-16. And the skies of Turkey were controlled by the Petriots of the Germans and the Dutch. With all that it implies. There were also nuclear bombs for the Southern Front on Incirlik. Erdogan broke up with the EU to death, and a war almost broke out with Greece. Therefore, everything that Erdogan does is under the control of the Kremlin.
      1. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 13 October 2020 21: 35
        +2
        Quote: hrych
        Because American weapons, in particular the Turkish F-16, cannot attack the Israeli F-16.


        They can. A question of a different order F-16 Turkish units are older than those of the Jews, which means worse
        1. hrych
          hrych 13 October 2020 22: 24
          +2
          The UAE decided to get hold of the latest weapons and asked to sell the F-35. Although for the sake of this, they with Bahrain agreed to normalize relations with Israel, but the latter was outraged that the newest system would not make him a monopoly. The Americans have assured the "successor of Netoinyahi" that they will make the F-35 of the Emirates visible to the Israelis. And as an example, infa flashed about the impossibility of using air-to-air missiles from the F-16 at the Israeli. I can't find the link yet.
          1. Cyril G ...
            Cyril G ... 13 October 2020 22: 52
            +1
            Wow! how lovely!!!
      2. Polite Moose
        Polite Moose 13 October 2020 22: 01
        +2
        Quote: hrych
        Let me try

        You did it well. hi I only have my 5 kopecks. I will insert:
        1. It is unwise to consider our commission on military-technical cooperation, consisting of very authoritative and competent people, which made the decision to sell the S-400 systems, whether to the Turks or the Chinese, as a bunch of alternatively gifted vocational schools who would sell their mother to the circus for a couple of dollars ...
        2. It is unwise to consider Erdogan, whose lower back, with the direct participation of Russia, was saved from rupture and other abuse and who at the moment has no one else to lean against in order to avoid a repetition of the situation with a threat to his lower back in the future, an inadequate impulsive and hysterical undersultan with protection in the BIOS with the idea of ​​restoring the Great Ottoman Empire and ready to do anything for this, even a military confrontation with Russia or Armenia.
        3. In the event of an attempt to use the S-400 against our aviation (no matter how successful or unsuccessful), Erdogan will not get off with tomatoes alone. Moreover, we will not need to do practically anything. It is enough to announce a break in relations and curtail all joint movers. Ps will very quickly gnaw his goat's face and send him to the dustbin of history (this is at best) or to the SA embassy for divorce.
        1. shahor
          shahor 13 October 2020 22: 42
          +3
          Quote: Polite Elk
          Erdogan will not get off with tomatoes alone.

          Forget these tomatoes! Tomatoes will burn in the Russian Federation if the Sultan decides to be capricious with the Turkish and southern streams. With the Power of Siberia, it's a bummer, the Chinese don't take gas (surprise!), SP-2 is a big question, and here - tomatoes! How many billions were spent on Turkish flows? And the Sultan found his gas in the Black Sea, he buys LNG in Qatar, the Baku-Jeyran gas pipeline works smoothly ... Therefore, we will love the Sultan very much.
          1. Cyril G ...
            Cyril G ... 13 October 2020 22: 54
            0
            Quote: shahor
            With the Power of Siberia, it's a bummer, the Chinese don't take gas (surprise!),

            You seem to be unaware of the real state of affairs.
            1. shahor
              shahor 13 October 2020 22: 55
              +3
              Quote: Cyril G ...
              You seem to be unaware of the real state of affairs

              I know that!
          2. Polite Moose
            Polite Moose 13 October 2020 23: 23
            -2
            Quote: shahor
            Forget these tomatoes!

            Why then? A very effective measure, as it turned out. My comrade, in spite of general dissuasion, went on vacation to Turkey about a month after the Turks shot down our SU-24. He said that most of the Turks in half-empty hotels and in sparsely populated bazaars believed that it would be better if the Turks shot down a Turkish plane, not ours.
            As for gas: the loss of our transit for Turkey is the loss of very significant money, regardless of whether there is Qatari or its own Black Sea gas or not.
            About loving the Sultan: why not? At this stage, he is our situational ally. As long as it behaves within the framework, from our side there is no support from the Greeks, Kurds and Armenian artillerymen, who sleep and see how to damage the Baku-Jeyran gas pipeline.
            1. shahor
              shahor 14 October 2020 00: 08
              +3
              Quote: Polite Elk
              As for gas: the loss of our transit for Turkey is the loss of very significant money, regardless of whether there is Qatari or its own Black Sea gas or not.

              So far, losses are incurred by the Russian Federation - gas supplies have decreased by almost 30 percent. And you can forget about transit - the Bulgarians refused. And the gas pipeline will be built by Israel-Cyprus-Greece-Italy. Egypt also wants to join. In general, as Novak said at a conference of consumers and producers of LNG, the era of natural gas and, as a result, pipelines is coming to an end. The era of LNG is coming. And there may be problems - how to supply Russian gas to the south of Europe. The Turks will not let the gas carrier for 600 thousand cubic meters through the straits. Firstly, it may not pass, but this is to the sailors, and most importantly, the safety of Istanbul.
              1. no one
                no one 14 October 2020 10: 03
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                And who will give them to build? Italy seems to have immediately refused, says dearly. Libyan is cheaper. In the meantime, Cyprus is not resolved and the sea economies of the Turks will not let you build. And the Russian Federation will help with this if necessary.
                1. shahor
                  shahor 14 October 2020 11: 55
                  +1
                  Quote: neden
                  And who will give them to build?

                  And who can ban it? So far, Russia cannot finish building SP-2, and you- Russia will not allow Greece and Italy ... Stretch out on clothes ...
                  1. hrych
                    hrych 14 October 2020 12: 29
                    +1
                    Firstly, SP-2 will start at the finish line the other day. In the German port, pipes are being loaded, and Denmark has given all the permits. In order to upset you a little and bring down the perky, Maidan ardor, I report that the joint venture is not enough, an overland gas pipeline Opal has been built for it, and EUGAL is being completed under the SP-2. Which is twice as powerful as Opal. Those. Germany's ground infrastructure is almost ready, and even if Merkel had the desire, German business would not allow it. So it's time for you to roar. wassat And Rubilovo in the US elections will not allow to bother with this nonsense. Bulgaria already begs to return to UP. Turkey has reduced consumption due to the catastrophic economic situation as it is tourist dependent. And the virus killed tourism. Secondly, the economy drives consumer goods, and the virus has also smothered consumer goods in consumption. Also, Turkish goods were boycotted by Armenia, Greece and Arab countries. Not an embargo, but a boycott by citizens, with the consent of the government, of course. It is extremely costly and risky to run a pipeline from Israel to the EU along kilometers of depth.
                    1. no one
                      no one 14 October 2020 16: 34
                      -1
                      Apparently good grass. Tourists stopped basking in gas, Armenia damaged the economy with a boycott. And the fact that others began to buy more gas probably fairy tales
                      1. hrych
                        hrych 14 October 2020 17: 10
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                        Quote: neden
                        Apparently good grass. Tourists stopped basking in gas

                        If I was more educated, I would know that if a tourist uses air conditioning, then electricity goes to him. And the electricity in your outlet is not taken from the Holy Spirit, but from the power generation of nuclear power plants, hydroelectric power plants and thermal power plants. There are no nuclear power plants in Turkey, but thermal power plants are plowing in full and about 70% of all generation. These TPPs run on gas. Also lula-kebab and other bishbarmak are fried on gas stoves. Pools, fountains, etc. operate with electricity costs.
                        Quote: neden
                        Armenia damaged the economy with a boycott

                        Learn to read better. Not Armenia declared a boycott, but Armenia, Greece, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, etc. Where is Armenia the weakest link. However, Turkey supplies 25% of all textiles and clothing imported by Armenia. And if the Armenians stop buying Turkish rags, then a few Turkish weavers, tailors, etc. will go bankrupt, and maybe even grunt with grief. wassat More than a third of all workers are employed in Turkey's textile, clothing and leather industries. And this is the leading sector of the economy. Got it? Tourism accounts for 10% of Turkey's economy. Minus the tithe budget. And in this sector also works tithe from all workers. On the street everyone and their dependents, beg for alms. Industry in Turkey - 27% (including the dominant light industry), the rest is SERVICES. For the Turkish economy to die, it is enough not to buy Turkish rags. A rag tiger, and there too. wassat
                    2. shahor
                      shahor 14 October 2020 17: 49
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                      How many empty words ... Promises, promises ... Do it, then show off! Loading pipes! What year are you shipping? And OPAL, why don't you agree on the operating mode? Remind me how much and who is allowed to download through it? Boycott the Turks? So why don't they cut gas purchases in Qatar and Azerbaijan, but cut them in Russia? Well, with Bulgaria - like laughter. They let TANAP through their territory and only recently, having expelled two, according to their statement, Russian spy diplomats, announced their refusal to participate in the South Stream. In fact, this is good for the Russian Federation. It makes no sense to build another pipe that cannot pay for itself.
                      1. hrych
                        hrych 14 October 2020 18: 09
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                        Quote: shahor
                        How many empty words ...

                        Your words. First, the war in Azerbaijan began and it is not known how it will end. Perhaps Azerbaijan will cease to exist, or perhaps Turkey, she has already gotten everyone, first of all, the EU and the Arabs. The capacity of Tanapa is 16 billion cubic meters per year, and SP-2 is already 55 billion cubic meters per year. Feel the difference? And it’s even funnier-ridiculous to rejoice in Ukrainians, because TANAP is a reduction of ukrotransit wassat But I didn’t know that Turkmenistan and Azerbaijan supplied gas through the Russian GTS and that it went in the bulk ... through Ukraine. Moreover, Turkmenistan lost less money from this transit than from transit through Turkey and Azerbaijan. Did not know?
                      2. shahor
                        shahor 14 October 2020 18: 19
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                        Quote: hrych
                        SP-2 is already 55 billion a year.

                        Maybe he can, but who will give him? Have you heard about the Third Energy Package? Europe does not want to sit on the Russian gas needle. In the best case, 20 billion cubic meters. And in 23, they promise to bring the pipe of the Norwegian shelf to Poland, to dramatically increase the number of LNG terminals in Europe. LNG is already cheaper than gas from the Russian Federation. That is why Gazprom became unprofitable. Now the Poles will also have to pay 7,5 billion greenbacks ... So we have to introduce a new tax on childlessness.
                      3. hrych
                        hrych 14 October 2020 18: 54
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                        And who will tell Germany? It is up to her to decide and she wants to be a gas hub, and also the main consumer. Poland, please, let him eat. And the Poles know that SP-2 will bury Lyakhotransit. SP-2 will replace Yamal. Turkish stream buries ukratransit. Well, and so the winter has not yet begun. In the extreme case, they won't buy gas from Russia, and what will it be left with? That's right, with gas. Those. with the most valuable product. wassat Well, the Power of Siberia-2 is already being coordinated and the gas will reach Shanghai. That's all. Russia is a self-sufficient country. Therefore, it does not depend on the supply of food, military equipment and raw materials. Since it does not depend on supplies, it will live without export. They won't buy rags from the Turks, and she has nothing to buy oil and gas with, nothing to buy metals, nothing to buy weapons, etc.
              2. no one
                no one 14 October 2020 16: 37
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                The Turkish Exclusive Economic Zone is different. There is no way without solving this problem. And as far as I know, Italy did not participate. Expensive too. Of course, you can pull around your shores, but this will further increase the cost of the project
                1. shahor
                  shahor 14 October 2020 17: 58
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                  Quote: neden
                  You can of course detour along your shores

                  My banks are the Moskva River. There's nothing to pull here. And the gas pipeline from the Israeli and Cypriot gas fields - will be built - Turkey thinks little. Nobody recognizes its new economic zone. So, the small racket of the Sultan - begs for a small share. Well, but about expensive, not out of our own pocket? About expensive, it's to Gazprom and the Power of Siberia.
                  1. no one
                    no one 14 October 2020 21: 57
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                    Change your shoes quickly. The Hudson is also yours when it is profitable. Let's see how you will cost
                  2. shahor
                    shahor 14 October 2020 22: 33
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                    Quote: neden
                    ... Hudson is also yours when profitable

                    Whose is yours? Don't worry, it might be cured!
  • Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 14 October 2020 01: 19
    +2
    Quote: hrych
    Therefore, everything that Erdogan does is under the control of the Kremlin.

    It amused me a lot! good
    I will not further develop my thought, so as not to spoil the impression of what I have read! hi
  • cmax
    cmax 14 October 2020 00: 29
    +5
    Sever-2 No one has canceled the Russian "Avos", "Like" I think there are no bookmarks in the complex. Maybe they thought it would blow when they sold it. Judging by the situation in Idlib and Transcaucasia, it didn’t happen. Putin has grown old, I already want to think about myself, my children. Live. Unlike the United States, there are not so many good analysts in Russia. And they do not appreciate them, especially if their advice does not match. Looking at how the business has been developing for decades with the Su-57, Armada, unmanned aircraft, the situation in the fleet, one can only hope that God still loves and protects Russia. Although sometimes it seems that not, looking at the leading managers of state corporations (Miller Gazprom, Rogozin Roskosmos and many many others).
  • Xscorpion
    Xscorpion 14 October 2020 11: 42
    -1
    During the incident with the aircraft, there was an attempted military coup in Turkey. The pilot was convicted for a long time, or maybe executed, was not interested. Erdogan was framed then, and even more, they tried to seize power from him. As for the S-400, the export version is very curtailed in characteristics, there can be no question of any copying by the Americans, they still cannot reproduce the S-300, which has been in service with Greece for a very long time. And by selling the S-400, we in fact tie the Turks to ourselves, they did not spend hundreds of millions of dollars for the purchase of such expensive weapons, so that at the first incident there will be no supplies of the entire range of missiles for them, spare parts and maintenance by Russian specialists. The weapon is too expensive for one-time use, if the Turks even had such thoughts.
  • deniso
    deniso 13 October 2020 19: 55
    +2
    NATO country advertises Russia's weapons!
  • evgen1221
    evgen1221 13 October 2020 20: 41
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    If only there is no roofing felts, in short, the next fortune-telling press.
  • KCA
    KCA 13 October 2020 20: 49
    +1
    Is it in "Al-Jazeera" such stupid xperds, or is the translation like that? Russia did not withdraw from the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons and Missile Technologies, Turkey does not have missiles on the S-400 with a range of 400 km, a maximum of 300, usually a maximum of 275, so that they would not accidentally fly over 300, a trifle, but it speaks about the level of the authors of the article
  • Bad thing
    Bad thing 13 October 2020 20: 54
    +1
    I still do not understand, after the delivery of the S-400 to Turkey, everything was gone or not?
    1. Camrad
      Camrad 13 October 2020 21: 36
      +1
      No, don't worry, the architecture of the S-400 makes it the safest (in terms of exporting secrets) complex in the world.
    2. Sanche
      Sanche 13 October 2020 21: 50
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      Quote: Bad
      I still do not understand, after the delivery of the S-400 to Turkey, everything was gone or not?

      The weapon is the weapon to use it. And to dream about highly intelligent rockets that fly and ask: "whose blood you will be" is not harmful to anyone
  • Pashhenko Nikolay
    Pashhenko Nikolay 13 October 2020 20: 58
    +4
    And where will Turkey's ammunition replenishment? The enemy? What nonsense the scribblers will write. There has been no talk about the localization of the production of missiles for the S-400.
  • Radikal
    Radikal 13 October 2020 21: 44
    +5
    Quote: MKPU-115
    Quote: denis obuckov
    Interestingly, our specialists will guess to make bookmarks in the sold equipment to take over control (if technically possible))))

    There is a catch in the missiles, they, export, cannot work on our VKS, when the target approaches, they go to the zenith and self-destruct.

    The pepper is clear, apparently on our planes in Georgia, in 2008 they fired, and they were shot down by "Patriots", "Crotali", and other Izratl "domes ..."
  • A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 13 October 2020 21: 56
    +3
    I do not often agree with the conclusions of the respected author, but the sale of this device to Turkey - one of the obvious and very serious competitors of Russia on the BV, was, without a doubt, a very rash act. hi
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  • Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 13 October 2020 23: 06
    +1
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    The more complicated the weapon, the more difficult it is to somehow rebuild it, find some bookmarks in it and completely subordinate it to your "Wishlist".

    Difficult, but always possible.
  • I am silent I am silent
    I am silent I am silent 13 October 2020 23: 40
    0
    I tried twice to write a competent, but neutral comment and then spat and decided to remain silent ... Write comrades I will subscribe to what I believe in!
  • north 2
    north 2 13 October 2020 23: 41
    +2
    Quote: hrych
    Quote: north 2
    Can anyone from the respected commentators explain to me
    Let me try laughing Everything you described was before the coup. The coup is key. The coup itself was provoked by an economic blow from Russia, a masterful sabotage against the Turkish Air Force, as well as the pre-war situation with Casus Belli. The caste that ruled Turkey for the last century, in such a situation, takes full control over itself and removes the civil, political cabinet. Plus Erdogan had previously ceased to suit them, like the West. RF undoubtedly pulled off the economic stranglehold, certainly admitted a blow. But the intelligence, apparently, received information about the preparations for the coup and Erdogan was saved. The elite of Turkey has undergone a revolutionary change comparable to the fall of Tsarism in RI. The hereditary, primarily military caste has been eliminated. The southern flank of NATO, where Turkey's role was decisive, also cracked. In the European theater, NATO was preparing to defend itself against the tank fist of the USSR, and in the South, a strike was being prepared into the underbelly of the USSR, using local peoples. After the collapse of the USSR, the Russian Federation in general became less protected in this direction. But a number of actions, including military ones, made it possible to defend the control of the Caucasus and have bridgeheads in the Transcaucasus. Therefore, we need Erdogan to destroy NATO and have already cracked their Southern Front. It is also now used against Pashinyan's magpie and the training of Armenia. And the S-400 makes it possible to repel an Israeli Air Force attack. Because American weapons, in particular the Turkish F-16, cannot attack the Israeli F-16. And the skies of Turkey were controlled by the Petriots of the Germans and the Dutch. With all that it implies. There were also nuclear bombs for the Southern Front on Incirlik. Erdogan broke up with the EU to death, and a war almost broke out with Greece. Therefore, everything that Erdogan does is under the control of the Kremlin.

    I agree with you that the game between Russia and Turkey is not an experiment or, just in case, why not, but let's try, but this is a firm and measured calculation of Putin, the Foreign Ministry and the Ministry of Defense. It is not yet known at whom Turkey was more offended - at Russia that she took Crimea from under Turkey's nose, or at the United States with its intelligence
    and its fleets and military bases in Turkey, which did not help, that Crimea would not go to Russia. Moreover -
    without firing a shot. Turkey will take revenge not on Russia, but on the United States for the fact that Crimea is again Russian
    and NATO. And why does not Russia use it as a wedge in NATO unity. And if now all steps of Erdogan are really controlled by Russia, so it drives Erdogan across Syria, Azerbaijan, along the coastal waters of Greece and the Middle East. And he will ride here and there, then again here ... And who needs then the geopolitical a horse, especially since she drove herself, rolling herself. What
    Pashinyan needs to be taught a lesson, as I have already written about this more than once.
  • mvg
    mvg 14 October 2020 00: 26
    +2
    What a narrow-minded author. Even reading the text diagonally. How can you be like that? How can you write such bullshit? It's not even Speed ​​Info level
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  • AshPoseidon
    AshPoseidon 14 October 2020 01: 03
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    Quote: Boris ⁣ Shaver
    Quote: MKPU-115
    when approaching, the targets go to the zenith and self-destruct.

    Yeah. And the installation itself rolls up and leaves for Russia.

    Most likely there is a self-destruction of all the electronics of the S-400
  • no one
    no one 14 October 2020 09: 53
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    They made so much noise. And all the reason is that the rocket range is in synop. And with 400 for a possible war against Greece. They write a lot about the war between the Russian Federation and Turkey. And in Turkey, such a war is not mentioned at all. There are no unsolvable questions. With greece only
  • Imperial Technocrat
    Imperial Technocrat 14 October 2020 15: 05
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    Turkey is bankrupt; it will disintegrate into Kurdistan and other parts immediately after the November civil war in the United States and the global currency and debt crisis of the late 2020-early 2021. As for the S-400, the Turks have a stripped-down export version, which is carried out by Daggers or Iskander in a few minutes. Everything is calculated
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  • Spkrdctr
    Spkrdctr 15 October 2020 19: 08
    +1
    Is it true that the Turkey bought a stripped down version of the S-400? I would have thought that they would buy the newest best version of the S-400.
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 15 October 2020 23: 43
      -2
      They bought the most modern version of the C400. In my opinion, this is Putin's betrayal of the interests of my state.