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Israel prepares to cooperate with the United States on the creation of anti-missile lasers

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Concerning the further improvement of its weapons, Israel is going to cooperate more and more actively with its main military partner - the United States. This time we are talking about the development and creation of anti-missile lasers.


The Israeli missile defense organization, according to its spokesman Moshe Patel, is currently in talks with the Pentagon. According to the Israeli official, for more active cooperation it is necessary to overcome a number of political problems, but in general, the positions of Israel and the United States on the development of a laser weapons agree that both countries believe that directed energy will play an increasingly important role in military conflicts in the future.

It should be noted that the United States and Israel have a long history of cooperation in the field of missile defense. For example, they collaborated on the Arrow and David's Sling systems. The Israeli corporation Israel Aerospace Industries and the American corporation Boeing, the Israeli Rafael and the American Raytheon are closely cooperating with each other.

Patel also recalled the existence of a cooperation agreement between the Israel Anti-Ballistic Missile Organization and the American Missile Defense Agency. This XNUMX-year agreement focuses on three ongoing programs, including hardware and software upgrades.

At the same time, according to an Israeli official, some programs are classified and the dialogue on them between the American and Israeli military is just beginning. At the same time, according to him, some technologies are already well developed. In addition, Patel noted the constant interest of American congressmen in the problem of developing laser weapons.

Of course, the American military department is primarily interested in its own developments and arming the American army with laser weapons. But Israel is seen as one of the most important US allies in the Middle East, and therefore, it is likely that interaction between Washington and Tel Aviv in the direction of creating such weapons will grow.

According to Tom Karako, an expert on missile defense at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, the use of directed energy should become part of the overall US and Israeli countermeasures to the growing number of challenges and threats.

Both the United States and our allies will benefit from the inclusion of directed energy weapons in air and missile defense.

- emphasizes Karako.

In addition to the use of directed energy, the United States and Israel may expand cooperation in the field of hypersonic missile defense. Since both the United States and Israel are in the early stages of developing their hypersonic weapons programs, a partnership between the two states will have clear benefits.

According to Patel, in the foreseeable future, an American-Israeli dialogue on the creation of hypersonic protection against missile threats can be built. It is possible that countries will discuss the possibility of space-based hypersonic weapons. It is also worth noting that in the Middle East, the United States and Israel have one common enemy - Iran, and on a more global level, the United States is more interested in containing Russia and China, and Israel is more interested in power superiority over all Arab countries, which in any case will always be considered as a likely source of threat.
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  1. Grandfather
    Grandfather 13 October 2020 12: 49
    -3
    Israel prepares to cooperate with the United States on the creation of anti-missile lasers
    here you are ... horseradish (vegetable) in a tomato ... and what's not with us, not with the Russian Federation? belayhow big is it, so on the phone to Putin, but what about business, duck to the Americans ... why would this be so?)))
    1. credo
      credo 13 October 2020 13: 31
      0
      Quote: Dead Day
      Israel prepares to cooperate with the United States on the creation of anti-missile lasers
      here you are ... horseradish (vegetable) in a tomato ... and what's not with us, not with the Russian Federation? belayhow big is it, so on the phone to Putin, but what about business, duck to the Americans ... why would this be so?)))

      To implement your proposal you need:
      - for the Jewish lobby to determine Russia's policy;
      - so that Russia and Israel have common enemies;
      - for Israel to be kept by Russia;
      - and a number of general points.
      Do you need it?
    2. Piramidon
      Piramidon 13 October 2020 14: 40
      -2
      Quote: Dead Day
      and what is not with us, not with the Russian Federation? How big is it, so on phone to Putin, but what about business, duck to the Americans ... why would it be so?

      Are you serious, out of ignorance, or for fun? What hangover is with us? They have their own master. Well, about the "phone to Putin", he will soon smoke from his calls. Like the president "gas station countries with their economies torn to shreds", but after all, like that, they immediately go and call Putin.
      1. Professor
        Professor 13 October 2020 20: 23
        +2
        Quote: Piramidon
        Quote: Dead Day
        and what is not with us, not with the Russian Federation? How big is it, so on phone to Putin, but what about business, duck to the Americans ... why would it be so?

        Are you serious, out of ignorance, or for fun? What hangover is with us? They have their own master. Well, about the "phone to Putin", he will soon smoke from his calls. Like the president "gas station countries with their economies torn to shreds", but after all, like that, they immediately go and call Putin.

        1. It's stupid to call Russia a gas station country. Russia does not sell gasoline, but crude oil.
        2. About the Russian economy it is better to listen to Russian economists. For example, the presidential adviser on economic issues Kudrin.
        3. They go and call Putin not on economic or scientific issues, but solely to avoid casualties. Mainly from the Russian side. So that it does not work out again like with the IL-18.
    3. iouris
      iouris 13 October 2020 15: 38
      +1
      Quote: Dead Day
      and what is not with us, not with the Russian Federation?

      There are not a quarter of our former people. He believes that it is unpromising.
  2. MKPU-115
    MKPU-115 13 October 2020 12: 49
    +1
    Israel cannot step a step without the United States. hi
    1. Alexey Sommer
      Alexey Sommer 13 October 2020 13: 11
      +5
      Quote: MKPU-115
      Israel cannot step a step without the United States.

      He can do anything. This is the tail that twirls the dog (USA). How much does the US subsidize them a year? I forgot.
      It's just that they are strategic partners, and due to the situation, they sometimes need us for business.
      We are needed, then they are friends and look into the eyes, but we are not needed, then not only send, but do in their own way.
      1. MKPU-115
        MKPU-115 13 October 2020 13: 18
        -1
        Quote: Alexey Sommer
        He can do anything. This is the tail that wags the dog (USA)

        And then let them think so. A good slave is one who does not know about it yes
        Quote: Alexey Sommer
        They are just strategic partners.

        And the partners try to regularly fuck each other.
        Quote: Alexey Sommer
        How much does the US subsidize them a year? I forgot.

        On October 02.10.18, 38, a law came into force in the United States guaranteeing the provision of military aid to Israel totaling $ 10 billion over 2019 years, i.e. for the period 2028-13 inclusive. The law was approved by the US Senate in early August, by Congress on September XNUMX, after which it was signed by US President Donald Trump.

        The previous 10-year agreement (2009-2018 inclusive) was for $ 30 billion, i.e. $ 3 billion annually. However, in recent years, Congress has annually added another $ 500-600 million to this amount, i.e. Israel received $ 3.5-3.6 billion. Thus, the real growth of aid is $ 200-300 million a year.
        1. Alexy
          Alexy 13 October 2020 13: 33
          +1
          Those. - is it only military aid? So there is also a non-military one. With a population of 9 million and a very small area, mostly coastal, this is not even a bad help.
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 13 October 2020 13: 43
            +4
            It was non-military, but it stopped 20 years ago. At the request of Israel.
            The military is expressed in orders for American equipment. There is no cash. Dollars or bank transfers do not go to Israel.
            1. MKPU-115
              MKPU-115 13 October 2020 14: 19
              +1
              Quote: voyaka uh
              Dollars or bank transfers do not make it to Israel.

              Only modern weapons bully 4 lard annually.
              This is such a cunning Israeli independence from the United States.
          2. MKPU-115
            MKPU-115 13 October 2020 14: 18
            0
            Quote: Alexy
            Those. - is it only military aid? So there is also a non-military one. With a population of 9 million and a very small area, mostly coastal, this is not even a bad help.

            Yes, not bad, Israel got a job, rummaging in the pocket of the United States, they can confidently declare their exclusiveness.
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 13 October 2020 14: 55
              +4
              There is a return for this help.
              The equipment that Israel receives is used in hostilities and is being improved.
              Its rating (and sales) then grows.
              And Israel must transfer all improvements and patents to the Americans.
              It has been calculated that for every dollar of military aid, the US gets back $ 1.5-2.
              A striking example: the F-16 fighter. After its spectacular use against the Syrian Air Force in 1982, this aircraft (with numerous initial technical problems) began to be massively purchased by all countries.
              1. ccsr
                ccsr 13 October 2020 15: 34
                -3
                Quote: voyaka uh
                A striking example: the F-16 fighter. After its spectacular use against the Syrian Air Force in 1982, this aircraft (with numerous initial technical problems) began to be massively purchased by all countries.

                They began to buy them because the United States pushed it into NATO countries, and not because Israel used them against poorly trained Syrians. You have apparently forgotten how the Soviet air defense system destroyed several thousand American aircraft in Vietnam - the same thing would have happened with the F-16, if they had been used against our crews, which then were not in Syria.
                Quote: voyaka uh
                It has been calculated that for every dollar of military aid, the US gets back $ 1.5-2.

                This is cool - it means Israel is already feeding the United States, but only the American national debt is growing, and no one will explain why.

                According to Patel, in the foreseeable future, an American-Israeli dialogue on the creation of hypersonic protection against missile threats can be built. It is possible that countries will discuss the possibility of space-based hypersonic weapons.

                Everyone knows that the Israelis are braggart, but here they surpassed everyone, and even Reagan will turn over in his grave - his idea of ​​"Star Wars" is being implemented in Israel, and he could not do it during his reign. In general, Netanyahu-Darth Vader is driving, lightsabers have been distributed, prostrate yourself, Arabs ...
                1. voyaka uh
                  voyaka uh 13 October 2020 15: 53
                  +2
                  In the days of Reagan, there was a blunder: there was no network connection that would allow large amounts of information to be transmitted in real time. The chips were weak. And there were very few satellites. Each satellite was made for months. Now: several a day.
                2. hrych
                  hrych 13 October 2020 18: 52
                  +1
                  Warrior Uh, right, but not quite in that direction. The Anglo-Saxons solved their problems at the expense of cannon fodder. First of all, this concerned the Suez Canal. As Nasser nationalized him, the Israelis attacked him with the support of the Anglo-Franks. When Nasser blocked the canal with sunken ships, the United States, together with the USSR, threw the invaders back. This attack began the history of the Arab-Israeli wars. And when Sadat, dissatisfied with the fact that the USSR was not going to fight for him, although there was an ultimatum to Israel, he obeyed the United States and they quickly organized the Kempdevid deal and again kicked Israel out of the occupied territories. Sadat has guaranteed free passage to the West in Suez. So it was with meat that some paid off. And then Israel was used as a scarecrow for Egypt and precisely along the Suez. Voyaka is disingenuous with Syria or simply does not understand. Israel always needed to take over Lebanon. But this miserable Lebanon, which is really the Sacred Land they are not given, even burst, and the main merit, of course, Assads and the ascended star of Hezbollah. It should be noted that a little earlier the Lebanese Christians and the Syrians piled on. laughing Therefore, the main payment for American aid, of course, is in meat. In second place was scarecrow and blackmail. And only in third place is the testing of weapons and tactics.
                3. Professor
                  Professor 13 October 2020 20: 27
                  +3
                  Quote: ccsr
                  They began to buy them because the United States pushed him into NATO countries, and not because Israel used them against poorly trained Syrians.

                  I would not call Soviet air defense personnel "poorly trained Syrians." there were not Arabs at all in all the command positions, and even the Arabs did not always press the "Start" button. It’s just that someone learned the lessons of the Vietnam War, and someone didn’t. Everyone knows the result.
                  1. ccsr
                    ccsr 13 October 2020 20: 39
                    +1
                    Quote: Professor
                    I would not call Soviet air defense personnel "poorly trained Syrians".

                    Nobody counts them, but two air defense regiments are simply physically unable to cover the country's territory. But where they were, the Israelis suffered losses:
                    As part of military exercises in January 1983, a 8-thousandth contingent of Soviet troops was transferred to Syria by sea, consisting of 2 anti-aircraft missile regiment C-200BE, rocket-technical base, helicopter and ground electronic warfare units. Sending personnel and military equipment originated from the port of Nikolaev. Given the specifics of the Syrian landscape, military equipment was repainted in the "desert colors". As for the personnel, he was transferred to Syria in the context of the strictest secrecy. All the servicemen were dressed in civilian clothes and passed off as tourists. The first 10 on January 1983 was the 220 th anti-aircraft missile regiment arrived in Nikolaev from the port of Tartus, and in February the 1983 th anti-aircraft missile regiment arrived in 231. Soviet servicemen were placed in special closed military camps, which were very well guarded by Syrian troops.
                    Parts of the EW were located in the Bekaa Valley and on the Golan Plateau. At the same time, Soviet troops were not brought into the territory of Lebanon, but a large number of Soviet military advisers were in the Syrian units operating in Lebanon. Anti-aircraft missile regiments were placed in Syria in the areas of Homs and Dumeirah, after which Israel banned the IDF Air Force from flying to 200-kilometer zones from the location of the Soviet air defense systems. Anti-aircraft missile regiments obeyed the commander of the Syrian Air Force and Air Defense - only he could give a direct order to use the C-200. However, the Western press at that time repeatedly wrote that the Soviet air defense systems were in fact not controlled by Damascus and were subject exclusively to the Soviet military command. The Soviet anti-aircraft gunners were assigned the task of protecting the airspace of Syria from Israeli air raids.
                    However, in September 1983, the Soviet air defense forces still shot down one Israeli E-2С Howkeye long-range radar detection aircraft. Three months later, the Israeli military intelligence, in a sign of revenge for the death of the aircraft, launched a sabotage action against the Soviet anti-aircraft missile regiment. At night, Israeli saboteurs launched an attack on the regimental location, but the attack was repulsed by a Syrian unit that ensured the safety of the Soviet military. As a result, none of the Soviet soldiers was injured, and the attack was successfully repulsed.

                    https://topwar.ru/147261-operacija-kavkaz-2-kak-sovetskaja-pvo-spasala-siriju.html
                    1. Professor
                      Professor 13 October 2020 20: 42
                      +1
                      Quote: ccsr
                      Quote: Professor
                      I would not call Soviet air defense personnel "poorly trained Syrians".

                      Nobody counts them, but two air defense regiments are simply physically unable to cover the country's territory. But where they were, the Israelis suffered losses:
                      As part of military exercises in January 1983, a 8-thousandth contingent of Soviet troops was transferred to Syria by sea, consisting of 2 anti-aircraft missile regiment C-200BE, rocket-technical base, helicopter and ground electronic warfare units. Sending personnel and military equipment originated from the port of Nikolaev. Given the specifics of the Syrian landscape, military equipment was repainted in the "desert colors". As for the personnel, he was transferred to Syria in the context of the strictest secrecy. All the servicemen were dressed in civilian clothes and passed off as tourists. The first 10 on January 1983 was the 220 th anti-aircraft missile regiment arrived in Nikolaev from the port of Tartus, and in February the 1983 th anti-aircraft missile regiment arrived in 231. Soviet servicemen were placed in special closed military camps, which were very well guarded by Syrian troops.
                      Parts of the EW were located in the Bekaa Valley and on the Golan Plateau. At the same time, Soviet troops were not brought into the territory of Lebanon, but a large number of Soviet military advisers were in the Syrian units operating in Lebanon. Anti-aircraft missile regiments were placed in Syria in the areas of Homs and Dumeirah, after which Israel banned the IDF Air Force from flying to 200-kilometer zones from the location of the Soviet air defense systems. Anti-aircraft missile regiments obeyed the commander of the Syrian Air Force and Air Defense - only he could give a direct order to use the C-200. However, the Western press at that time repeatedly wrote that the Soviet air defense systems were in fact not controlled by Damascus and were subject exclusively to the Soviet military command. The Soviet anti-aircraft gunners were assigned the task of protecting the airspace of Syria from Israeli air raids.
                      However, in September 1983, the Soviet air defense forces still shot down one Israeli E-2С Howkeye long-range radar detection aircraft. Three months later, the Israeli military intelligence, in a sign of revenge for the death of the aircraft, launched a sabotage action against the Soviet anti-aircraft missile regiment. At night, Israeli saboteurs launched an attack on the regimental location, but the attack was repulsed by a Syrian unit that ensured the safety of the Soviet military. As a result, none of the Soviet soldiers was injured, and the attack was successfully repulsed.

                      https://topwar.ru/147261-operacija-kavkaz-2-kak-sovetskaja-pvo-spasala-siriju.html

                      https://krupelega.livejournal.com/324504.html
                    2. Professor
                      Professor 13 October 2020 21: 00
                      +2
                      Quote: ccsr
                      Anti-aircraft missile regiments were deployed in Syria in the areas of Homs and Dumeir, after which Israel banned the IDF Air Force from flying in 200-kilometer zones from the location of Soviet air defense systems.

                      From the Golan, or whatever they say in Arabic, to Tel Aviv 140 km. Do you think Ben Gurion Airport has stopped receiving planes? fool
              2. MKPU-115
                MKPU-115 13 October 2020 18: 44
                -3
                Quote: voyaka uh
                Its rating (and sales) then grows.

                I am for it. We need to train on someone, improve our weapons and work out tactical methods of application far from our borders.
                For the bearded, we will also throw something outdated export, so that yours would not be bored wink
        2. karima
          karima 13 October 2020 14: 05
          +2
          Quote: MKPU-115
          Thus, the real growth of aid is $ 200-300 million a year.
          Actually. The states had already tried to stop military aid to Israel, and then Israel created the plane (Catch).
        3. A. Privalov
          A. Privalov 13 October 2020 16: 11
          +4
          Quote: MKPU-115
          Quote: Alexey Sommer
          He can do anything. This is the tail that wags the dog (USA)

          And then let them think so. A good slave is one who does not know about it yes
          Quote: Alexey Sommer
          They are just strategic partners.

          And the partners try to regularly fuck each other.
          Quote: Alexey Sommer
          How much does the US subsidize them a year? I forgot.

          On October 02.10.18, 38, a law came into force in the United States guaranteeing the provision of military aid to Israel totaling $ 10 billion over 2019 years, i.e. for the period 2028-13 inclusive. The law was approved by the US Senate in early August, by Congress on September XNUMX, after which it was signed by US President Donald Trump.

          The previous 10-year agreement (2009-2018 inclusive) was for $ 30 billion, i.e. $ 3 billion annually. However, in recent years, Congress has annually added another $ 500-600 million to this amount, i.e. Israel received $ 3.5-3.6 billion. Thus, the real growth of aid is $ 200-300 million a year.

          Is this a lot or a little?
          To answer this question, you should read a fairly detailed article. "American Aid to Israel: When, How, and Why?"which I wrote a few years ago:
          https://topwar.ru/120541-amerikanskaya-pomosch-izrailyu-kogda-kak-i-zachem.html
          1. Vitaly gusin
            Vitaly gusin 13 October 2020 19: 34
            +4
            Quote: A. Privalov
            To answer this question, you should read a fairly detailed article "American aid to Israel: when, how and why?", Which I wrote several years ago:

            Well, so this is to read, this is the same as rolling bags when there is something to do lighter lol
      2. Vitaly gusin
        Vitaly gusin 13 October 2020 18: 43
        +2
        Quote: Alexey Sommer
        How much does the US subsidize them a year? I forgot.

        Don't be upset. I will remind you.
        "About crazy aid" the United States, it is 1% of the annual budget of Israel, (3.8 billion) if it were not, there would be a GDP per capita of $ 40
        GDP per capita Israel $ 42
        Russia's GDP per capita is $ 28. This should worry you.
        Israel occupies one of the leading places in the world in the development of new technologies in electronics, including military ones, which is recognized by the Russian leadership.
        Quote: Alexey Sommer
        and we are sometimes needed for business.

        Defense Ministers of Israel and Russia held a telephone conversation at the topic of possible prospects for bilateral military cooperation
        "The negotiations confirmed the mutual disposition of the parties to further development of Russian-Israeli cooperation in the military sphere, "the press service of the RF Defense Ministry reports.
        As you can see, they did not agree on this issue with you.
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 13 October 2020 20: 29
          -2
          Quote: Vitaly Gusin
          Israel occupies one of the leading places in the world in the development of new technologies in electronics, including military ones, which is recognized by the Russian leadership.

          Recently, near Cologne, they found a container with a bookmark for the R-394KM radio station, which was demonstrated to the whole world, and which was in good condition. But few people know that the Soviet Union presented the license for the production of this station to Bulgaria, and moreover, it supplied the equipment, and then also supplied some components at a cheap price. But the funniest thing in this story is that the Bulgarians began to sell it three times more expensive than our producers sold, and they made a lot of money because of this. the product was in demand and not only in the Warsaw Pact countries. Therefore, you can hang noodles on anyone about new technologies, but not me, because the production of military equipment and weapons in Israel is one of the hidden forms of subsidizing Israelis due to what was developed in the military-industrial complex of the United States and other Western countries.
          Quote: Vitaly Gusin
          "The talks have confirmed the mutual disposition of the parties to further develop Russian-Israeli cooperation in the military sphere," the press service of the Russian Defense Ministry said.

          Let this insignificant statement inspire you - such statements are made after visits of some leaders from African and Asian countries, so do not delude yourself about "cooperation".
          1. A. Privalov
            A. Privalov 13 October 2020 21: 28
            +3
            Of course, a radio station forty years ago speaks of the greatest achievements of the USSR in the field of electronics. There is zero sense only from this.
            The production of military equipment and weapons in Israel is one of the hidden forms of subsidizing Israelis due to what was developed in the military-industrial complex of the USA and other Western countries.
            A mistake due to ignorance of the actual state of affairs, or a desire to troll?

            As stated in the message of the Federal Customs Service, the export of the Russian Federation in 2019 amounted to $ 424,6 billion. The basis of Russian exports in 2019 was traditionally fuel and energy products, the share of which in the commodity structure of exports amounted to 62,1%.
            We have no oil, no coal, no forests to cut down. However, since 2017 our exports have exceeded $ 100 billion. This is despite the fact that our country is half the size of the Moscow region.
            In terms of area, the Russian Federation is 850 times larger than Isail, 17 times in population, and only 4,2 times in terms of exports. Here are the "hidden subsidies". lol
            1. ccsr
              ccsr 13 October 2020 21: 48
              0
              Quote: A. Privalov
              A mistake due to ignorance of the actual state of affairs, or a desire to troll?

              There is no mistake, there is about knowing where the legs of the production of Israeli military equipment grow from, and why this is done. The USSR did the same with Bulgaria when the Bulgarian peasants were introduced to high technologies. Or do you believe that the Israeli Orthodox just helped to create your MIC by their prayers?
              However, since 2017 our exports have exceeded $ 100 billion. This is despite the fact that our country is half the size of the Moscow region.

              Well, the Americans cannot openly trade their weapons with a number of countries, which is why they use Israel as a gasket - this is where your "phenomenal" successes grow.
              1. A. Privalov
                A. Privalov 13 October 2020 22: 19
                +2
                Quote: ccsr
                Well, the Americans cannot openly trade their weapons with a number of countries, which is why they use Israel as a gasket - this is where your "phenomenal" successes grow.

                So, they decided to troll all the same.
                Everything is exactly the opposite. We cannot trade with a number of countries. lol
                Orthodox are Orthodox, but you have to work decently.
        2. MMX
          MMX 13 October 2020 20: 34
          0
          "About crazy aid" the United States, it is 1% of the annual budget of Israel, (3.8 billion) if it were not, there would be a GDP per capita of $ 40


          Poor Israel, they didn't give him interest ... crying

          GDP per capita Israel $ 42
          Russia's GDP per capita is $ 28. This should worry you.


          And what do these numbers mean? Why should you worry?
    2. credo
      credo 13 October 2020 13: 37
      +4
      Quote: MKPU-115
      Israel cannot step a step without the United States. hi

      I think that maybe it's just that expensive projects are easier to carry out in cooperation with a financial partner, especially if you are confident that you will not be thrown away. Judging by who rules the United States, Israel has such confidence, hence the choice of a partner.
  3. bessmertniy
    bessmertniy 13 October 2020 12: 54
    0
    The alignment is that Israel is against Russia in an alliance with the United States. Therefore, the latest developments in the military-industrial complex of both countries, regardless of whether or not there is cooperation on specific weapons, will still fall from ally to ally.
  4. Sofa expert
    Sofa expert 13 October 2020 12: 57
    -12 qualifying.
    And if we use climate weapons over the territory of the United States and Israel? How will they fight off the evil communist missiles?
    1. credo
      credo 13 October 2020 13: 43
      +3
      Quote: Divan expert
      And if we use climate weapons over the territory of the United States and Israel? How will they fight off the evil communist missiles?

      The answer is simple to the point of banality - to destroy (bomb) installations of climatic weapons in the place where they are located.
      1. KCA
        KCA 13 October 2020 14: 01
        +5
        A really existing climatic weapon is spraying lapis powder, which is expensive, or just cement to disperse the clouds, Israel, I think, will be only "For", rain will not interfere with them, everything else is REN-TV infusion of guan into the ears, the energy of the hurricane is approximately 200x58Mgt " Kuz'kin's mothers ", what do you think, does at least one country in the world have a device to remotely cause the release of such energy?
  5. APASUS
    APASUS 13 October 2020 13: 02
    -3
    Of course, the American military department is primarily interested in its own developments and arming the American army with laser weapons.

    And Israel is being used as a donor.
    1. credo
      credo 13 October 2020 13: 43
      +1
      Quote: APASUS
      Of course, the American military department is primarily interested in its own developments and arming the American army with laser weapons.

      And Israel is being used as a donor.

      It's also a question of who is using whom.
  6. askort154
    askort154 13 October 2020 13: 18
    0
    It's no secret that Russia in the military-industrial complex still uses some of the developments from the "bottom" of the USSR. To Israel
    moved from the USSR, about 1 million "Russian-speaking" (more than 850 thousand at the beginning of the 21st century). If, when they left the USSR, they were “filtered” and were not allowed to have “secret permits”, then after the collapse of the USSR, they were given the “green light”.
    And they rushed in streams. At the same time, someone took currency values ​​with them, and someone, not having them, grabbed the contents of safes at their work. Some of them immediately sold everything from the "safes" and their "head" to a wealthy buyer, while others turned out to be more cunning. They still give it out in "portions", as the rates and conditions increase, or to continue their scientific Soviet developments in the "head", but already in Israel.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 13 October 2020 13: 46
      +6
      Former workers of the Soviet military-industrial complex were usually graduated already at pre-retirement age. In the 90s, their knowledge was relevant and used. Now they are no longer alive due to old age.
      1. askort154
        askort154 13 October 2020 13: 57
        +2
        voyaka uh ...Now they are no longer alive due to old age.

        This is not an argument. In Russia it is the same, but they do not take the fruits of their activities with them to the grave. Their ideas and developments are being introduced by a new generation. It's the same in Israel. In the United States, Brown died long ago.
        1. credo
          credo 13 October 2020 14: 22
          +1
          Quote: askort154
          voyaka uh ...Now they are no longer alive due to old age.

          This is not an argument. In Russia it is the same, but they do not take the fruits of their activities with them to the grave. Their ideas and developments are being introduced by a new generation. It's the same in Israel. In the United States, Brown died long ago.

          You have cited one of the variants of the "overflow" of the secrets of the Soviet military-industrial complex abroad.
          Another option is already buying up secrets in the fragments of the USSR, formerly called union republics. After the tragic collapse of the USSR, numerous emissaries, traveling salesmen, scouts and other rabble from business and intelligence from all over the world tried and bought up the development of the Soviet military-industrial complex directly in these fragments for gratis.
          1. askort154
            askort154 13 October 2020 14: 51
            0
            credo....Another option is already buying up secrets in the fragments of the USSR, formerly called the union republics ...

            Quite right! They are in Russia too - brazenly "rummaged" in all the nooks and crannies of the military-industrial complex. Then they were not even "partners" for us, but "our best friends". Clinton openly, to tears, laughed at the camera, watching the drunken Yeltsin make his pretzels.
    2. karima
      karima 13 October 2020 14: 08
      +4
      Quote: askort154
      About 1 million "Russian speakers" moved to Israel from the USSR (more than 850 thousand at the beginning of the 21st century).
      The question is, why was it squeezed out?
      1. credo
        credo 13 October 2020 14: 15
        +1
        Quote: karima
        Quote: askort154
        About 1 million "Russian speakers" moved to Israel from the USSR (more than 850 thousand at the beginning of the 21st century).
        The question is, why was it squeezed out?

        It is possible to squeeze a cream out of a tube, but no one squeezed out the Jews in the USSR, they themselves left of their own accord.
        Don't write nonsense if you don't know the story.
        1. karima
          karima 13 October 2020 14: 24
          +7
          Quote: credo
          Don't write nonsense if you don't know the story.
          Stupidity, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. Why do you need to learn history? Here at VO there are enough calls for Jews to get out, but are you talking about stupidity there? And then it was an order of magnitude more. There were some who left on their own, but there were those who were "persuaded". And to deny this is ... well, you get the idea.
          1. credo
            credo 13 October 2020 14: 31
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            Quote: karima
            Quote: credo
            Don't write nonsense if you don't know the story.
            Stupidity, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. Why do you need to learn history? Here at VO there are enough calls for Jews to get out, but are you talking about stupidity there? And then it was an order of magnitude more. There were some who left on their own, but there were those who were "persuaded". And to deny this is ... well, you get the idea.

            You should at least read what you write yourself.
            You comment on the situation in the USSR, and then this - "... There are enough calls for Jews to get out on VO, ...". Both are your conjectures, while the time interval between the two periods is quite large.
            1. karima
              karima 13 October 2020 14: 46
              +1
              Quote: credo
              Here at VO there are enough calls for Jews to get out, ... "Both are your conjectures.
              Well, if you haven't seen it, then it is. You, as I understand it, are not allowed in either Yandex or Google, and therefore you do not know about anti-Semitism in the USSR and in Russia. Well, learn some more, and then come and talk. For this, I say goodbye to you. hi
              1. credo
                credo 13 October 2020 15: 07
                -2
                Quote: karima
                Quote: credo
                Here at VO there are enough calls for Jews to get out, ... "Both are your conjectures.
                Well, if you haven't seen it, then it is. You, as I understand it, are not allowed in either Yandex or Google, and therefore you do not know about anti-Semitism in the USSR and in Russia. Well, learn some more, and then come and talk. For this, I say goodbye to you. hi

                You tell your foreign nonsense about anti-Semitism in the USSR to local grandmothers in the yard, maybe they will believe.
                I'm also a smart guy from a garbage can called the Internet.
      2. askort154
        askort154 13 October 2020 14: 25
        0
        karima .....The question is, why squeezed out?

        You just are not in the subject. They were not "squeezed out", but on the contrary, they were not released. Attempts were made - they would open the "door" for them, then they would slam them again. The USA made a "world scandal" out of this. The "door" was completely opened for them in 1989. - Gorbachev.
        The USA "sorted" them, and took the most "needed" ones for themselves. As a result, about 2 million left for the USA and Europe, and 750 thousand for Israel. Those who did not settle in Israel returned to the USSR, they were called “returnees”.
    3. ccsr
      ccsr 13 October 2020 15: 46
      -1
      Quote: askort154
      ... At the same time, someone took currency values ​​with them, and someone, not having them, grabbed the contents of safes at their work. Some of them immediately sold everything from the "safes" and their "head" to a wealthy buyer, while others turned out to be more cunning. They still give it out in "portions", as the rates and conditions increase, or to continue their scientific Soviet developments in the "head", but already in Israel.

      This is not even the point, but the fact that before the departure of our emigrants in Israel there were not enough personnel of their own to work in the military-industrial complex, and they needed a lot of people who owned the design, technology of production of various equipment and weapons. That is why they were not so much interested in our secrets as in the opportunity to get personnel for their military-industrial complex, because our musicians, teachers and doctors were not very interested in their defense industry. So, without false modesty, we can say that it was Soviet Jews who created the basic foundation of the Israeli military-industrial complex, and as soon as this stream dried up, they only had to "in cooperation" with the United States to invent something there, although this most likely resembles a fly on the horns buffalo and her famous "We Plowed". Israel does not have that scientific and engineering base to carry out fundamental developments in the field of weapons - they simply do not physically have such capabilities and personnel, although they can perform something on orders from companies from the United States.
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 13 October 2020 16: 30
        0
        The basis of the defense industry was created by American Jews. Then the French helped a lot. The wave that arrived in the early 90s made its contribution to the military-industrial complex more with excellent Soviet teachers of mathematics and physics than with specialists.
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 13 October 2020 20: 05
          0
          Quote: Krasnodar
          The basis of the defense industry was created by American Jews.

          Yes, they demanded through the Israeli lobby that their corporations share their military developments with the Israelis. But I have not heard that Jews from Boeing or Lockheed moved to Israel en masse.
          Quote: Krasnodar
          The wave that arrived in the early 90s made its contribution to the military-industrial complex more with excellent Soviet teachers of mathematics and physics than with specialists.

          Nobody denies this, but to become a specialist in the military-industrial complex for fifteen years you need to work in the defense industry, and our teachers could only prepare schoolchildren for training at a university.

          Quote: Vitaly Gusin
          And no need to be modest, but not just Soviet people, but immigrants from Russia. And not only the military-industrial complex. And the whole Jewish state.

          I will not underestimate their role in the creation of the State of Israel, especially considering that Comrade Stalin blessed them for this. The cause of the CPSU lives in the Middle East thanks to immigrants from the USSR and Russia - in this I agree with you. You yourself, I hope you live in a kibbutz?
          Quote: Vitaly Gusin
          It's hard for you to imagine that such a small country is one of the leading technological countries

          It's not hard for me to understand that your advertising has nothing to do with the real correlation of the capabilities of the military-industrial complex of the world's giants and Israel, so that you don't try to inspire the rest of the world there.
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 13 October 2020 20: 14
            +2
            1) Everything began there more modestly - one American and one English Jew created workshops for booking civilian cars - we are talking about the late 40s. Aircraft - French school net, late 60s. The owner of the Mirage Design Bureau is a pro-Israel baptized Jew. Tank building - took more from the British
            2) So they trained personnel for the military-industrial complex - students and schoolchildren))
            3) In terms of arms trade, Israel has long been in the top ten world manufacturers
      2. Vitaly gusin
        Vitaly gusin 13 October 2020 19: 14
        +1
        Quote: ccsr
        So without false modesty, we can say that it was the Soviet Jews who created the basic foundation of the Israeli military-industrial complex,

        And no need to be modest, but not just Soviet and immigrants from Russia. And not only the military-industrial complex. And the whole Jewish state.
        Quote: ccsr
        Israel does not have that scientific and engineering base to conduct fundamental research in the field of weapons

        I understand you, about this not before, and even now you do not speak or write about it, because the size of countries is not commensurate and the achievements in modern technologies are not commensurate.
        It's hard for you to imagine that such a small country is one of the leading technological countries
        Do not be lazy and read.
        http://factmil.com/publ/strana/izrail/voennaja_promyshlennost_izrailja_2020/36-1-0-1732
        Maybe you will learn something that you did not know.
      3. Professor
        Professor 13 October 2020 20: 39
        +3
        Quote: ccsr
        This is not even the point, but the fact that before the departure of our emigrants in Israel there were not enough personnel of their own to work in the military-industrial complex, and they needed a lot of people who owned the design, production technology of various equipment and weapons.

        Yeah. That is why the Technion forge of Israeli personnel was founded in 1924. And that is why there is not a single "Russian" teacher who graduated from a Soviet university at the Faculty of Aeronautics. Breaking the pattern.

        Quote: ccsr
        That is why they were not so much interested in our secrets as in the opportunity to get personnel for their military-industrial complex, because our musicians, teachers and doctors were not very interested in their defense industry.

        Exactly. Before the big aliyah, they themselves created the Merkava Tank, Saar 4 Corvette, Lavi Fighter-Bomber, Jericho ICBM and further on the list. How did you manage without Soviet personnel?

        Quote: ccsr
        So, without false modesty, we can say that it was Soviet Jews who created the basic foundation of the Israeli military-industrial complex, and as soon as this stream dried up, then they only had to "in cooperation" with the United States to invent something there, although this most likely resembles a fly on the horns buffalo and its famous

        On the contrary. Not exhausted, but intensified. It is Russia that is the main supplier of emigrants to Israel today. Breaks all records. Even more than they come from Ukraine.

        Quote: ccsr
        Israel does not have that scientific and engineering base to carry out fundamental developments in the field of weapons - they simply do not physically have such capabilities and personnel, although they can perform something on orders from companies from the United States.

        Nobel laureates in physics live in Israel, and not a single Nobel laureate lives in Russia. CEP.

        PS
        Your comments always amuse me. There is so much nonsense in them that I read them with pleasure. good
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    1. Outsider
      Outsider 14 October 2020 09: 17
      0
      - However, Israel launches artificial earth satellites by their carriers! Not as big as the United States, and they have to be launched against the rotation of the Earth, but nevertheless ... laughing lol
  8. OgnennyiKotik
    OgnennyiKotik 13 October 2020 13: 35
    +2
    Good article on Israeli laser weapons. Its development began in the 70s of the last century.

    https://topwar.ru/150515-izrailskie-proekty-lazernoj-pro.html
  9. Svetlana
    Svetlana 13 October 2020 13: 37
    -2
    Israel annually receives several billion dollars from the United States. And as you know, whoever dines a young lady, he dances her. There will be no serious projects with Russia, no matter how anyone would like it.
    1. askort154
      askort154 13 October 2020 14: 02
      +2
      Svetlana .... Israel annually receives several billion dollars from the States.

      3,8 billion annually for 10 years. (38 billion for 10 years.).
      1. Svetlana
        Svetlana 13 October 2020 14: 08
        0
        About that and speech.
        1. askort154
          askort154 13 October 2020 14: 31
          0
          Svetlan .... About that and speech.

          I just confirmed your promise. Because someone silently minus, "embarrassed" to voice their argument. hi
    2. Outsider
      Outsider 13 October 2020 14: 20
      0
      There will be no serious projects with Russia, no matter how anyone would like it.

      First, Russia does not have the technology it needs.
      Secondly: cooperation with American firms allows the use of R&D funding of American firms.
      Third: Russia's best friends are Israel's worst enemies.
      Fourth, Israel's best friend, the United States, is not at all a friend of Putin's Russia.
      ....................
      - Is it really incomprehensible to those who have a head on their shoulders, and not a head of cabbage?
      1. askort154
        askort154 13 October 2020 15: 17
        0
        Outsider .....First, Russia does not have the necessary technologies

        What do you know about Russian technologies?
        You forgot to continue - "Russia, this is a gas station".
        And about the "roach of cabbage", this is generally a "masterpiece". crying
        1. Outsider
          Outsider 15 October 2020 05: 02
          0
          What do you know about Russian technologies?

          And what do you have at home, produced using Russian technologies?
          1. Clock?
          2. Smartphone?
          3. Computer?
          4. TV?
          5. Washer?
          6. Food processor?
          7. Refrigerator?
          8. Car?
  10. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 13 October 2020 13: 51
    +3
    Cooperation in lasers has been around for a long time.
    But it was expressed in the purchase of American lasers, for which guidance systems, electronics, and radars were developed in Israel.
    What they are going to develop now is not clear from the article.
    1. Tom Johnson
      Tom Johnson 13 October 2020 16: 02
      +2
      No, the Radars, Missiles and Electronics are US, the Israelis create their own interface to those systems and sometimes work on less expensive less capable systems for their own regional issues. Raytheon in the past sold heavy systems, such as Patriot, but the cost factor or defeating a cheap rocket with a multi-million dollar PAC-4 MSE was a burden- so the Israelis created Iron Dome based on US BMD and with US assistance. Same is true for the F-16, and F-15 and Israeli produced missiles.
  11. andreykolesov123
    andreykolesov123 13 October 2020 13: 52
    +5
    The Zionist syndicate will not calm down. Instead of developing small rocketry from auxiliary pipes, as his peaceful neighbors do, he is trying to build some kind of hyperboloids, while threatening to use them to destroy heavy industry in Gaza. All peaceful humanity condemns this act of aggression directed against women, children and animals. No opponents of the process of detente in the Middle East led by Iran, the Israelis must withdraw to the borders of 1867.
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 13 October 2020 16: 38
      +4
      Jerusalem must be given to the Ivusians, from whom the aggressive totalitarian regime of King David conquered the city 3500 years ago. The dastardly murder of Goliath will forever remain a stigma on the brow of Zionism led by war criminals!
      1. Professor
        Professor 13 October 2020 20: 40
        +1
        Quote: Krasnodar
        Jerusalem must be given to the Ivusians,

        Let them take it. I'm not against.
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 13 October 2020 20: 42
          +1
          Ashdod with Ashkelon - to the Philistines!
          1. Professor
            Professor 13 October 2020 20: 44
            +1
            Quote: Krasnodar
            Ashdod with Ashkelon - to the Philistines!

            Let them take it. The Phoenicians should also return.
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 13 October 2020 20: 46
              0
              Lebanon? They did not smell south of Tire and Sidon laughing
              1. Professor
                Professor 13 October 2020 20: 48
                0
                Quote: Krasnodar
                Lebanon? They did not smell south of Tire and Sidon laughing

                It got sick near kibbutz Yagur, or rather tsomet Ha-amakim. They found their glass blower there. Let them return.
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 13 October 2020 22: 38
                  0
                  Oh you ... practically the Check Point area, however laughing
            2. andreykolesov123
              andreykolesov123 13 October 2020 21: 26
              +4
              The Phoenicians are back!
  12. Kushka
    Kushka 13 October 2020 14: 18
    -1
    Here are those on, not ready, so it turned out.
    So it is getting ready. How's that?
    Ah, I got it! As soon as the next 3,8 lard
    will come in, so immediately and will be ready.
  13. Airdefense
    Airdefense 13 October 2020 14: 41
    -1
    So it seems that all the physical limitations of using a combat laser in the atmosphere are known, what else can be done there?
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 13 October 2020 15: 03
      0
      Conventional ballistic or guided munitions also have limitations. But they are used when possible.
      So is the laser. In close air defense, he is quite successful.
      ---
      There are no atmospheric problems in space, but there are others: there is no heat sink in vacuum, and the laser overheats.
      1. Airdefense
        Airdefense 13 October 2020 15: 42
        -1
        So is the laser. In close air defense, he is quite successful.

        Yes, and close air defense and there are doubts about its feasibility, since the discovery of laser radiation, the military were among the first who wanted to use it.
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 13 October 2020 15: 56
          +2
          Already in service with the United States and Israel. Against drones and small targets at distances of 3-7 km
          1. Airdefense
            Airdefense 13 October 2020 16: 18
            0
            Drone Dome?
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 13 October 2020 16: 29
              +4
              And against the balloons laughing
              Hamasniks launch bundles of balloons with a Molotov cocktail from Gaza. Moreover, there are many bundles. To cause fires - forests, crops.
              Here their laser clicks easily and with pleasure.
              1. Airdefense
                Airdefense 13 October 2020 16: 32
                0
                So, in the end, what kind of combat lasers are in service with the United States and Israel, capable of hitting drones at a distance of 3-7 km?
                1. voyaka uh
                  voyaka uh 13 October 2020 17: 07
                  +3
                  From 15 (for balls smile ) up to 75 -100 (on an American ship) kW.

                  The photo shows a 35 kW laser on the ship USS Ponce
                  1. Airdefense
                    Airdefense 13 October 2020 17: 20
                    -2
                    So it passes in the test status, isn't it? And all its advantages and disadvantages are known, nor is there anything fundamentally new yet.
                    1. voyaka uh
                      voyaka uh 13 October 2020 17: 21
                      +1
                      On alert.
                      1. Airdefense
                        Airdefense 14 October 2020 11: 34
                        -2
                        So much the better for "us", judging by the videos shown, this system can pop "balls" in clear weather
                  2. Ali
                    Ali 14 October 2020 15: 59
                    -2
                    ,
                    voyaka uh (Alexey), we have forgotten about the Russian military laser "Peresvet" with P eh = more than 1 MW.
                2. OgnennyiKotik
                  OgnennyiKotik 14 October 2020 00: 04
                  -1
                  Quote: Airdefense
                  what kind of combat lasers are in service with the United States

                  Currently 1 US Navy ship, destroyer USS Dewey. already equipped with the ODIN (Optical Dazzling Interdictor, Navy) laser weapon system. In the near future, the United States is going to equip 7 more ships of its Naval Forces with laser weapons.
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 13 October 2020 17: 06
        -1
        Anti-missile laser systems are presented in the form of 10 and more megawatt installations based on heavy military transport aircraft with a set of super ionistors - one shot is replaced with a charged ionistor.
  14. Oleg Olkha
    Oleg Olkha 13 October 2020 14: 53
    +3
    The Americans found out a long time ago that R&D with a similar result costs in Israel at least two times cheaper (the logistics are simpler (everything is nearby) and it is incomparably simpler to divide up state funding for a project and the absence of long-running litigation from "bypassed" the result is better, not only cheaper ...
  15. Alien From
    Alien From 13 October 2020 15: 04
    +1
    Jews will not cooperate just like that, this is an axiom.
  16. ZEMCH
    ZEMCH 13 October 2020 16: 08
    +3
    Israel prepares to cooperate with the United States on the creation of anti-missile lasers

    Why are they preparing, they have been jointly developing laser topics for 50 years
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