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The Prime Minister of Ukraine proposed to the President of Poland to expand the "Lublin Triangle" at the expense of Belarus

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During a meeting in Kiev, the Prime Minister of Ukraine Denis Shmyhal proposed to the President of the Republic of Poland Andrzej Duda to expand the format of the Lublin Triangle platform, created at the initiative of Ukraine and including, in addition, Poland and Lithuania.


It is reported that before the start of the current protests in Belarus, Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmitry Kuleba held a telephone conversation with Belarusian Foreign Minister Vladimir Makei and invited him as an honored guest to a meeting of the foreign ministers of Ukraine, Lithuania and Poland. At the meeting between Shmygal and Duda, they discussed a possible summit of the heads of the three countries of the "Lublin Triangle", where, apparently, it is supposed to discuss the issue of the development of the current format and its expansion at the expense of Belarus.

It is also reported that Shmygal expressed gratitude to Duda for his support in the process of involving Ukraine in the Trimorie project and said about his country's interest in joining cooperation within the framework of this initiative, actively promoted and supported by the United States.

In addition, at the meeting, they discussed the development of transport infrastructure, in particular, the implementation of the "Via Carpathia" project.

Shmygal said that the government of Ukraine considers the construction of concession roads in the format of the President's project "Big Construction" as one of the priorities in its work. In addition, according to Shmygal, Ukraine considers it important to develop a joint transit potential, namely to increase the quota for Ukrainian carriers. He expressed confidence that from next year Ukraine will be able to "jointly implement the first such project - the extension of the A4 highway to the territory of Ukraine."

Shmyhal noted that "the Ukrainian-Polish intergovernmental commission can become a platform for processing these issues and developing common potential."

So far, nothing is known about the reaction of the official Minsk to this proposal of Kiev.

The Lublin Triangle is a trilateral platform consisting of Ukraine, Poland and Lithuania for political, economic and social cooperation between them, which provides for regular meetings of the foreign ministers of these countries.

Trimorie is an initiative of states located between three seas - the Black, Baltic and Adriatic - with the aim of strengthening infrastructural ties between the countries of the region in the interests of improving economic cooperation, attracting investment, positioned as a purely pro-European project.
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  1. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 13 October 2020 10: 54
    14
    The main nobleman and leader of the former slaves. History repeats itself
    1. Slon_on
      Slon_on 13 October 2020 11: 04
      11
      Looks like Shmygal's dupa became overbearing, yearned for the master's bizuns. With "mi nor rabbi", natural, nothing can be done about it.
      1. Labrador
        Labrador 13 October 2020 11: 12
        +9
        Want to take Tikhanovskaya into their dirty triangle?
        1. Pereira
          Pereira 13 October 2020 11: 16
          11
          Well, not Lukashenka!
          1. Vladimir Mashkov
            Vladimir Mashkov 13 October 2020 15: 16
            -1
            Provocative news. But who is the provocateur is not yet clear.
            1. orionvitt
              orionvitt 13 October 2020 16: 20
              0
              What is the provocation? A common statement, in the spirit of Ukraine. Here are just ukropolitiki, for some reason they first impose sanctions on Belarus, and then offer to join. What they think and where the mind is is not clear. However, it is clear that he is not there.
              1. Vladimir Mashkov
                Vladimir Mashkov 13 October 2020 16: 44
                -2
                And you read it CAREFULLY. And use your mind. yes
                1. Tatyana
                  Tatyana 13 October 2020 18: 44
                  +1
                  The Prime Minister of Ukraine proposed to the President of Poland to expand the "Lublin Triangle" at the expense of Belarus
                  Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                  Provocative news. But who is the provocateur is not yet clear.

                  Quote: orionvitt
                  What is the provocation?

                  Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                  And you read it CAREFULLY. And use your mind. yes

                  stop Mashkov, do not torment us with your answer - and honestly lay out the truth at once!
                  Otherwise we will be offended by you yes that you here think you are the smartest, but you don’t want to prove it to us. drinks
                  1. Vladimir Mashkov
                    Vladimir Mashkov 13 October 2020 21: 05
                    -1
                    Yes, there are people who sincerely DO NOT understand. And there are those who “do not understand” (or don’t want to “understand.”) I don’t think that you, gentlemen, comrades “generals” with “marshals” are so dull ...

                    What is the provocation?

                    "The Prime Minister of Ukraine proposed to the President of Poland to expand the" Lublin Triangle " at the expense of Belarus".
                    Reasons? Excuse me: "It is reported that before the start of the current protests in Belarus Minister of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine Dmitry Kuleba had a telephone conversation with Foreign Minister of the Republic of Belarus Vladimir Makei and invited him as a guest of honor to the meeting of the Ministers of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine, Lithuania and Poland. At the meeting between Shmygal and Duda, they discussed a possible summit of the heads of the three countries of the "Lublin Triangle", where, apparently, it is supposed to discuss the development of the current format and its expansion at the expense of Belarus."The conversation was not after protests and to! The message about the inclusion of Belarus is a provocation!

                    "So far, nothing is known about the reaction of the official Minsk to this proposal of Kiev." I don’t know about you, but to me the reaction of Belarus and Lukashenka is clear: it is ALREADY clearly marked!

                    But who is the provocateur - no, it's not clear! Is it only Shmygal, who proposed to include Belarus in the "Lublin Triangle"? Or also Sovetkin, who reported this "news" as a doubt about the position of Belarus?
                    1. orionvitt
                      orionvitt 14 October 2020 16: 24
                      -2
                      You never know what was when what and who offered whom on the phone. The conversation is "about now", not "about then." I understand, "your own wave" is clearer, but you need to jump off it sometimes. And then people are at a loss.
        2. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 13 October 2020 11: 38
          +4
          Quote: Labrador
          Lublin Triangle

          "Triangle" and Tikhanovskaya!
          Haberdasher and Cardinal!
          laughing
          Will there be a "Lublin Square"? Only in the case of Tikhanovskaya, the territory of Belarus is limited only by Tikhanovskaya itself. And then half - a husband ("the second half") in real Belarus.
          1. hydrox
            hydrox 13 October 2020 12: 02
            +3
            Come on you!
            Well, it is impossible to do without a cook in such a matter (and according to pre-revolutionary legends, some other valor of cooks are also known, except for frying cutlets) - this is saving on the apparatus (multi-station and combination!).
            1. Alex777
              Alex777 13 October 2020 17: 42
              0
              We must call Russia for them. All problems will end immediately.
              And there will be Russia from sea to sea. bully
              1. hydrox
                hydrox 13 October 2020 18: 48
                0
                We'll break down to feed everyone.
                Now, if it were South Korea or Japan, we would have put the entire western aviation industry on the asphalt in 2-3 years, if we had possessed the eastern technological capabilities.
          2. venik
            venik 13 October 2020 12: 15
            +3
            Quote: Zoldat_A
            "Triangle" and Tikhanovskaya!

            ========
            Cardinal and haberdasher (sorry - "haberdasher")? This is power! lol laughing
            1. Zoldat_A
              Zoldat_A 13 October 2020 12: 21
              +3
              Vladimir, hi !
              Quote: venik
              Quote: Zoldat_A
              "Triangle" and Tikhanovskaya!

              ========
              Cardinal and haberdasher (sorry - "haberdasher")? This is power! lol laughing

              "Triangle" and Tikhanovskaya are not POWER, they are CLOWNADE. laughing "Gee-Gee" behind the scenes is not enough. Nothing, Zelensky will add ...
              1. venik
                venik 13 October 2020 12: 35
                +2
                Quote: Zoldat_A
                "Triangle" and Tikhanovskaya are not POWER, they are CLOWNADE. laughing "Gee-Gee" behind the scenes is not enough. Nothing, Zelensky will add ..

                =======
                Greetings Igor! drinks
                It's funny to watch these two clowns "share the skin of an unkilled bear"!
                It's like Zhvanetsky: "We got together there in Zapopinsk, discussed and voted to join Japan! Only Japan was against ... But who asks her: we ALREADY voted". laughing
          3. forester1971
            forester1971 13 October 2020 14: 36
            +2
            Instead of the "Lublin Triangle" there will be a "black square".
            1. Zoldat_A
              Zoldat_A 13 October 2020 15: 59
              +1
              Quote: Forester1971
              Instead of the "Lublin Triangle" there will be a "black square".

              So it pulls to mock. They exchanged the St.George ribbon for something incomprehensible, and the symbol of something incomprehensible, painted on the packaging of feminine hygiene items. Well, in this regard,
              1. hydrox
                hydrox 13 October 2020 18: 54
                +2
                IT IS BLACK AND SQUARE ?????? !!!!!!
                Looked - it can't be! There is a completely different profile!
          4. PSih2097
            PSih2097 13 October 2020 15: 38
            +3
            Quote: Zoldat_A
            Only in the case of Tikhanovskaya, the territory of Belarus is limited only by Tikhanovskaya itself.

            The Directory is sitting in the car, and under the car is its territory ... (c) Folklore ...
    2. frruc
      frruc 13 October 2020 11: 28
      +2
      Two muzzled fringes. winked
    3. Xnumx vis
      Xnumx vis 13 October 2020 15: 08
      0
      Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
      The main nobleman and leader of the former slaves. History repeats itself

      A former alcoholic took off -
      Swindler and seditious:
      “We must drink the triangle!
      For three of him! Give me! "
      Dispersed - and pours:
      “The triangle will be drunk!
      Be it a parallelepiped,
      Be it a circle, a louse! " wassat

      Vladimir Vysotsky
      Dear transfer
    4. Cananecat
      Cananecat 13 October 2020 18: 48
      0
      I read one, the Prime Minister and the Minister proposed to expand the LOVE triangle? )))
  2. Alien From
    Alien From 13 October 2020 11: 02
    +1
    This man has become a friend of his head for a long time, nothing new is coming to him.
  3. Reviews
    Reviews 13 October 2020 11: 04
    -1
    And, after all, with such flirting, Vazelin can hold out and even go for a second term ...
  4. askort154
    askort154 13 October 2020 11: 12
    +1
    Trimorie is an initiative of states located between three seas - the Black, Baltic and Adriatic - with the aim of strengthening infrastructural ties between the countries of the region in order to improve economic cooperation, attracting investments, positioned as a purely pro-European project.
    1. V1er
      V1er 13 October 2020 11: 32
      +1
      "Trimorye" - an initiative of states

      Intermorie (Polish Międzymorze) is a project of a confederative state that would include Poland, Ukraine, Belarus, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Moldova, Hungary, Romania, Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia, and possibly Finland, put forward by Jozef the First Pilsudski after world war. This confederation was supposed to stretch from the Black and Adriatic Seas to the Baltic, hence the name.

      Nevertheless, Poland managed to occupy Western Ukraine and Western Belarus by military means, as well as part of Lithuania (see the Soviet-Polish war of 1919-1921). As a result of the Soviet-Polish war of 1939, these territories passed to the Soviet Union.
      1. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 13 October 2020 12: 27
        +4
        Quote: V1er
        Intermorie (Polish Międzymorze) is a project of a confederative state that would include Poland, Ukraine, Belarus, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Moldova, Hungary, Romania, Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia, and possibly Finland, put forward by Jozef the First Pilsudski after world war.

        And Poland, by design, is the smartest and most important here?

        Traditionally for Poles - ambition and conceit are 5 meters above the head. As usual, they forget that
        ... even with a large mouth, you need to bite off small pieces so as not to choke.
        If Venus and the Moon with Mars are added there, the Interplanet will turn out. Didn't Pilsudski think about that?
      2. Vadim_888
        Vadim_888 13 October 2020 15: 43
        +1
        Now Poland is setting the tone in the Visegrad four, and this is an objective reality, how quickly the four will increase its format, no one knows ...
        1. orionvitt
          orionvitt 13 October 2020 16: 25
          -1
          Quote: Vadim_888
          how quickly the four will increase its format, no one knows ...

          It is more likely that it will not increase, but decrease. The overseas owner has big internal problems, and on your own ambition alone, you won't get far.
  5. Prisoner
    Prisoner 13 October 2020 11: 13
    +2
    Have you forgotten to ask the father? winked
  6. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 13 October 2020 11: 18
    10
    "A fisherman sees a fisherman from afar" (Russian proverb), and a Russophobe is a Russophobe even more so. Okay, Poland with the financial assistance of the EU is trying to claim something, but where are these? All the Eastern European scum is gathering and trying to "make friends" against Russia. Are we still stuttering about the partial lifting of counter-sanctions from Ukrainian enterprises? Maybe it's enough to play "friendship of peoples" and act accordingly with the enemy? So far economically and politically.
    1. Vadim_888
      Vadim_888 13 October 2020 15: 48
      +1
      The problem is that these enemies consume a lot of Russian gas and pay for it in foreign currency, and the Russian domestic market has shrunk to 80 consumers, including potential consumers with very low solvency, plus AvtoVAZ's actual sabotage of the production of cars with gas equipment, plus if everyone switches to gas , then there will be losses from the collection of excise taxes on gasoline ... Sadness, however, and the expansion of foreign markets is not particularly foreseen ...
  7. V1er
    V1er 13 October 2020 11: 29
    +2
    Poland under the US protectorate is eating more and more territories. Included de facto Ukraine and Lithuania, Belarus also wants and hello to the new Rzeczpospolita. History repeats itself.
    1. hydrox
      hydrox 13 October 2020 12: 06
      +1
      Do not worry, Russia will not allow this, no matter what the zelenkhozs do.
    2. ZEMCH
      ZEMCH 13 October 2020 13: 59
      +2
      Quote: V1er
      History repeats itself.

      4 partitions of Poland apparently were not enough, the 5th is needed, it is very obvious.
      Over the past 200 years, all major wars have ended with the partition of Poland
  8. Rubi0
    Rubi0 13 October 2020 11: 31
    +1
    By the way, in the future, this is not very rosy, in total, in terms of population, this is about 100 million people, and this is no longer a funny figure
    1. hydrox
      hydrox 13 October 2020 12: 08
      0
      These figures do not convince anyone of anything, since ONLY military power plays a real role. Of course, the confidence of the Foreign Ministry.
  9. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 13 October 2020 11: 39
    +2
    At the meeting between Shmygal and Duda, they discussed a possible summit of the heads of the three countries of the Lublin Triangle, where, apparently, it is supposed to discuss the issue of the development of the current format and its expansion at the expense of Belarus.
    Something familiar was in 1659, when the Polish king Sigismund August, relying on the support of Polish magnates and gentry, published a universal about the alienation from Lithuania and the annexation of Volhynia and Podlasie to Poland (March 5, 1569).
    According to this universal, the local gentry was equal in rights with the Polish one.
    Soon, another universal followed - on the annexation of the Kiev and Bratslav regions to Poland, an act was drawn up on the eternal union of both states - Poland and the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, which from now on formed one indivisible state - Rzeczpospolita. It happened on June 28, 1569.
    And now, 450 years later, the Poles are trying to pull off the same trick.
    1. Vadim_888
      Vadim_888 13 October 2020 15: 53
      0
      ... Poland and the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, which henceforth formed one indivisible state - Rzeczpospolita. It happened on June 28, 1569.
      And now, 450 years later, the Poles are trying to pull off the same trick.

      Without the consent of the Lithuanians, this is unlikely, but they still have a memory of the "friendly" occupation of Vilno (Vilnius) by the Poles
      But in the opinion of the Lithuanians, unification with the Belarusians does not contradict their interests
  10. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 13 October 2020 11: 48
    +2
    The Prime Minister of Ukraine proposed to the President of Poland to expand the "Lublin Triangle" at the expense of Belarus
    the joyful shoemaker ran and shouted that he had received his daughter's consent to marry the duke, it remains to get the duke's consent
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 13 October 2020 17: 16
      0
      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
      the joyful shoemaker ran and shouted that he had received his daughter's consent to marry the duke, it remains to get the duke's consent

      This is certainly "richer with a thought."
  11. maktub
    maktub 13 October 2020 11: 57
    -9
    It's a good idea, if everything goes together, it will be a good project
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 13 October 2020 17: 19
      +1
      Quote: maktub
      if everything grows together it will be a good project

      A mixture of a snake with barbed wire.
      1. maktub
        maktub 13 October 2020 18: 25
        -6
        What is it that "flatters" you all?
        You have Evrases, ODKB, we don't say a word
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 13 October 2020 20: 56
          0
          Quote: maktub
          What is it that "flatters" you all?
          You have Evrases, ODKB, we don't say a word

          Doesn't it flatten you? Have you already gathered in the Rzeczpospolita?
          1. maktub
            maktub 13 October 2020 22: 22
            -3
            So we didn’t seem to ask either to Evrases or to the ODKB, why should we be flattered?
            To the "Union of Lublin"
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 14 October 2020 09: 08
              0
              Quote: maktub
              To the "Union of Lublin"

              Well, let's join, forward and with songs, the flag is in your hands.
              1. maktub
                maktub 14 October 2020 11: 20
                -1
                Ministerial consultations
  12. APASUS
    APASUS 13 October 2020 12: 00
    +3
    Invite Tikhanovskaya to your "Lublin Parallelepiped" and don't forget for one Guaido! You will decide the fate of the world in your get-together
    1. maktub
      maktub 13 October 2020 14: 43
      -7
      Tikhanovskaya, or rather the future president of the Republic of Belarus, who will be after her, we will definitely invite.
      Guaido - no need, geographically far away
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 13 October 2020 15: 23
        0
        Quote: maktub
        Tikhanovskaya, or rather the future president of the Republic of Belarus, who will be after her, we will definitely invite.

        It seems that Tikhanovskaya was recognized by the EU, but you did not recognize, how is that?
        Quote: maktub
        Guaido - no need, geographically far away

        Well, why, your man, will also be a singer!
        1. maktub
          maktub 13 October 2020 18: 19
          -4
          Luka is also not called Mr. President
          Let Guaido stay on his continent, as a possible replacement for Maduro, what happens suddenly
          1. APASUS
            APASUS 13 October 2020 19: 55
            0
            Quote: maktub
            Let Guaido stay on his continent, as a possible replacement for Maduro, what happens suddenly

            So your whole essence has crawled out!
            You do not need elections, all hope that Uncle Sam will stir up another coup
            1. maktub
              maktub 13 October 2020 20: 42
              -4
              In these countries, and you also have the possibility of fair elections,
              ? laughing
              Elections without choice laughing
              1. APASUS
                APASUS 14 October 2020 11: 48
                0
                Quote: maktub
                In these countries, and you also have the possibility of fair elections,
                ?
                Elections without choice

                Oh yes, election integrity is a good topic!
                Can you prove in court that Lukashenka attributed the votes to himself, do you have any real information? Because the prosecution is brought to court, and here the EU recognizes the elections as invalid and declares Tikhanovskaya as president (although they did not send their observers, they simply refused). What kind of body is this (whether to recognize the results of elections in the country or not) and such powers (from where come from, who endowed?).
                If you are trying to obey the laws, then go to the last comma !! And then some of the illegal actions are quite suitable for you !!!
                1. maktub
                  maktub 14 October 2020 11: 59
                  -1
                  Well, what are you, as a small, free elections mean not only international observers, but also the right of candidates to have their representatives at polling stations, in election commissions of different levels, equal access to the media, protocols must be signed by all commission members and observers from candidates, vote counting in the presence again, observers, etc.
                  1. APASUS
                    APASUS 14 October 2020 12: 36
                    0
                    Quote: maktub
                    Well, what are you, as a small, free elections mean not only international observers, but also the right of candidates to have their representatives at polling stations, in election commissions of different levels

                    Well yes ? Try observing an American election or helping an electoral commission count the votes. You will be immediately arrested and the term will be real and very long! How many observers in the United States sign protocols?
                    1. maktub
                      maktub 14 October 2020 12: 38
                      -1
                      Don't Confuse International Observers and Candidate Observers
                      1. APASUS
                        APASUS 14 October 2020 13: 34
                        0
                        Quote: maktub
                        Don't Confuse International Observers and Candidate Observers

                        What does this change in essence? The electors vote for the president, not the people! And in the history of the United States there were 2 cases when the electors chose the wrong candidate that the majority chose and what kind of democracy is there?
                      2. maktub
                        maktub 14 October 2020 13: 57
                        0
                        And the commissions themselves consist of members loyal to the authorities or the commissions still consist of "members of different parties"
                        The American electoral system is one of the most complex, but for some reason no one ever said that the elections were not democratic.
                      3. APASUS
                        APASUS 14 October 2020 15: 12
                        0
                        Quote: maktub
                        The American electoral system is one of the most complex, but for some reason no one ever said that the elections were not democratic.


                        Have you ever read about "Arizona lawlessness"? When, having processed only 1% of the votes in the primaries, Hillary Clinton was declared the winner. And you say democracy !! On the website of the White House there was a petition that received 50 thousand votes in order to understand the violation of the rights of voters, AND THEN SUDDENLY:404 Page Not Found
                        What actually changes, even calling the US elections non-democratic? They only look after everyone, they themselves behave like barbarians:
                        Vladimir Putin, speaking at the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum, questioned the democratic nature of the US presidential election.
                      4. maktub
                        maktub 14 October 2020 15: 47
                        0
                        No need to twist how the inner-party primaries became presidential elections
                        You have the same propaganda laughing
                      5. APASUS
                        APASUS 14 October 2020 15: 56
                        0
                        Quote: maktub
                        No need to twist how the inner-party primaries became presidential elections

                        1 This is part of the election!
                        2 As I understand it, your laws for the primaries should be canceled?
                        Quote: maktub
                        You have the same propaganda

                        I gave you a specific example and what does propaganda have to do with it. Can you prove that this is a lie?
                      6. maktub
                        maktub 14 October 2020 16: 15
                        0
                        One law for all is the cornerstone of democracy, and there must have been a reaction to the petition
                        Confused by your leader's quote where he is about the elections, and you about the primaries
                      7. APASUS
                        APASUS 14 October 2020 17: 04
                        0
                        Quote: maktub
                        One law for all is the cornerstone of democracy,

                        Then there is no reason for the appointment of Tikhanovskaya, Guaido and others.
                        Quote: maktub
                        and there must have been a reaction to the petition

                        So it's easy to check, give a link? Https: //petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/do-revote-arizona-primary-due-voter-suppression
                        Quote: maktub
                        Confused by your leader's quote where he is about the elections, and you about the primaries

                        First of all, I'm talking about legality, laws should not apply to the primaries? ”And Pitin continued his speech:
                        Vladimir Putin, speaking at the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum, questioned the democratic nature of the US presidential election.

                        “They teach everyone how to live and teach democracy, but do you think there are democratic presidential elections? “Twice in the history of the United States, a person has been elected president by a majority of electoral votes, behind which there were fewer voters,” Putin said.
  13. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 14 October 2020 12: 02
    0
    Quote: maktub
    In these countries, and you also have the possibility of fair elections,
    ?

    Interestingly, in which country did you see "fair elections"?
    1. maktub
      maktub 14 October 2020 13: 26
      0
      Honestly? I never got over the "hillock" during the elections laughing
      We, the presidential elections, had relatively fair elections. Avakov and a large number of voters who had not voted before played a big role. Poroshenko's authorities could not "level" the influx of voters. So the elections were fair
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 14 October 2020 14: 16
        0
        Quote: maktub
        We, the presidential elections, had relatively fair elections. Avakov and a large number of voters who had not voted before played an important role.

        I believe! But as soon as it is possible for all the people and honestly to choose a clown who "is not fish or meat."
        1. maktub
          maktub 14 October 2020 14: 25
          0
          We will give the assessment at the end of the cadence
          At least we have a choice, you only have "zeroing" laughing
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 14 October 2020 14: 45
            0
            Quote: maktub
            We will give the assessment at the end of the cadence
            At least we have a choice, you only have "zeroing"

            Sorry, but I'm not from where zeroing is, I live on the side, but we look at your "circus" with pleasure.
          2. maktub
            maktub 14 October 2020 15: 11
            0
            I am glad that you like!
    2. APASUS
      APASUS 14 October 2020 16: 14
      0
      Quote: maktub
      We, the presidential elections, had relatively fair elections. Avakov and a large number of voters who had not voted before played a big role. Poroshenko's authorities could not "level" the influx of voters. So the elections were fair

      This is news, fair elections in Ukraine !!! Also tell us about fair trials, we will laugh together
      1. maktub
        maktub 14 October 2020 16: 18
        0
        Do you question the results of the presidential elections in Ukraine?
        Problems with the honesty of the courts, I agree with this
        1. APASUS
          APASUS 14 October 2020 16: 57
          0
          Quote: maktub
          Do you question the results of the presidential elections in Ukraine?

          Who exactly? Zelensky, he didn't win, but Poroshenko lost! In that position (which was created by the thief Poroshenko), even Rotaru, Skrypka, Vakarchuk would have won, with a score of 98%.
          And I don't remember fair elections in Ukraine at all, starting with Yushchenko.
        2. maktub
          maktub 14 October 2020 17: 08
          0
          A play on words!
          The result is on the face. laughing
          The connection is over.
        3. APASUS
          APASUS 14 October 2020 20: 30
          0
          Quote: maktub
          A play on words!
          The result is on the face.
          The connection is over.

          I am glad that they did not justify Poroshenko, otherwise it would not even be sad, but funny
        4. maktub
          maktub 14 October 2020 20: 55
          0
          I have said more than once that Poroshenko is not at all my idol and
        5. APASUS
          APASUS 15 October 2020 15: 40
          0
          Quote: maktub
          I have said more than once that Poroshenko is not at all my idol and

          And who is your idol, if not a secret of course?
        6. maktub
          maktub 15 October 2020 18: 23
          0
          I am critical and loyal to Ze, Razumkov and a little kindly to Muravyov
        7. APASUS
          APASUS 16 October 2020 08: 45
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          Quote: maktub
          Critically loyal to Ze

          What is the reason for such unlimited trust? After all, so far the successes are very modest, but it was promised
        8. maktub
          maktub 16 October 2020 08: 52
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          As Vaikule sang: - it's not over yet.
          And trust, probably, from the fact that he is not a systemic politician.
          We are adults and we understand that some things are not done in a day.
        9. APASUS
          APASUS 16 October 2020 09: 05
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          Quote: maktub
          As Vaikule sang: - it's not over yet.
          And trust, probably, from the fact that he is not a systemic politician.
          We are adults and we understand that some things are not done in a day.

          As it is not serious, the argument is weak. It's just that there is no vector in which it will hit, along which it will move systematically. This is what confuses, first of all, he often acts as a weather vane Poroshenko, and this figure is still that pots
        10. maktub
          maktub 16 October 2020 10: 05
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          Let's be objective. He came to power "accidentally", in the course of the electoral revolution, without a big team. he still has not been able to fully gain control over it. Plus agreements and "agreements" that Poroshenko concluded. We have to act in their paradigm.
          But I see he learns quickly and becomes a politician, which inspires restrained optimism.
  • bald
    bald 13 October 2020 12: 06
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    In fact, no one knows what to do. Some sketches, discussions, agreements. It is necessary to execute politicians, not the people sent by them to slaughter.
  • 7,62h54
    7,62h54 13 October 2020 12: 10
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    The name "Tremor" is more suitable for the project.
    At any mention of Russia, the accomplices are shaking.
  • iouris
    iouris 13 October 2020 12: 32
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    Yeah. We will build conservatories! (We will twist canned food).
  • Light
    Light 13 October 2020 13: 54
    +2
    Without Belarus, the Russophobic belt around the west of Russia does not develop, the guys have broken off.
  • Arthur 85
    Arthur 85 13 October 2020 14: 30
    +1
    I read: "love triangle." I thought a lot about how they organize the relationship, and whether the gigimon would be called to fix communications.
  • Kerensky
    Kerensky 13 October 2020 15: 28
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    providing for regular meetings of the foreign ministers of these countries.

    That's all there is to know about this platform. Why did you jump up?
  • Assyrian
    Assyrian 13 October 2020 16: 39
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    Shit at the fence of Russia, that's the whole point of "triangles" and the rest of the six-pointed stars.
    As a pack of dogs drives a beast, these ovals act in the same way, under the guidance of a hunter.
    Once the nerves of the beast will surrender and he will either run or engage in battle. It is very difficult for one against the crowd.
  • georggy
    georggy 13 October 2020 17: 47
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    And as Taras Bulba told his son at N.V. Gogol?
  • Dart
    Dart 13 October 2020 18: 18
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    It sounds like a gang of chieftains, in the Russian way, by surnames, like chasers .. Shmygal, Duda and Kuleba huddled on the arrow to crackle cleanly .. ugh.