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Weapons of the post-nuclear world: the navy

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We previously reviewed consequences of a global nuclear war, as well as how ground military equipment and aviation... In this article, we will consider what the fleet of the post-nuclear world will be like.


Let us recall the factors that complicate the restoration of industry after a nuclear war:
- extinction of the population due to mass death at the very beginning of the conflict due to the highest urbanization and subsequent high mortality due to a general weakening of health, poor nutrition, lack of hygiene, medical care, unfavorable climatic and environmental factors;
- the collapse of the industry due to the failure of high-tech automated equipment, lack of qualified labor and globalization of technological processes;
- the complexity of resource extraction due to the exhaustion of easily accessible deposits and the impossibility of recycling many resources due to their contamination with radioactive substances;
- a decrease in the area of ​​territories available for living and movement due to radiation contamination of the area and negative climate changes;
- destruction of government in most countries of the world.


Production in the first decades, and even in the first century after the nuclear conflict, will be artisan workshops equipped with primitive equipment. In more developed quasi-state formations, manufactories will appear, at which, to some extent, the conveyor division of labor will be realized.

Problems and needs


The question arises: is it possible to build a fleet in the face of a significant collapse of industry and technological chains?

On the one hand, modern ships are not inferior to aviation in terms of the complexity of the technologies used, but, on the other hand, the initial technological level required for the construction of ships can be much lower: a boat carved out of wood is also to some extent a ship. On the one hand, integrated development fleet requires enormous forces and is possible only with a high concentration of state efforts in this direction, on the other hand, even countries that are very limited in resources and access to technologies can afford to build ships: the issue of their technological perfection is not so critical if everyone's technologies are equally primitive ...

In other words, the post-nuclear industry will be able to build ships, but the question arises: are they needed?

Definitely yes. Moreover, in the absence of transport aviation and railway communication, the fleet can become the most effective way to ensure cargo turnover between the future centers of civilization. Ships do not require the laying of roads and rails, they require much less fuel in terms of the volume of cargo transported. Low-quality fuel oil, coal and even firewood can be used as fuel for ships. A return to sail propellers is not excluded.

Transport ships will need to be protected from "competitors" and pirates, which will require equipping them with weapons, or an escort from specialized warships.

As we covered in the article "Weapons of the Post-Nuclear World: Ground Forces", the lack of fuel and the superiority of defensive assets over offensive assets can lead to the fact that wars will become in many respects positional, non-maneuverable, with the predominant use of reconnaissance and sabotage units. In this case, the tasks solved by the primitive post-nuclear, for the most part, will be reduced to reconnaissance, the deployment of reconnaissance and sabotage units, the delivery of urgent cargo and periodic strikes according to the "hit and run" scheme.

In the post-nuclear world, the fleet may for a long time remain the only force capable of waging a mobile war.

Finally, the fleet will provide the post-nuclear civilization with access to the natural resources of rivers, seas and oceans. It can be assumed that the restoration of ocean and marine natural resources will occur much faster than on land. The reason for this will be a reduction in emissions of garbage, industrial waste and wastewater into the ocean, the lack of industrial fishing in the existing volumes, as well as more stable climatic conditions, providing a large mass of water with temperature inertness.


For ocean ecology, a global nuclear war can go ... only good

Small craft


It can be assumed that the currently existing vessels will remain in the coastal regions not directly affected by nuclear strikes. Since a shortage of fuel is inevitable, first of all the most "voracious" ships will freeze at the piers, and then all the others equipped with internal combustion engines. For a while, only the simplest rowboats will be able to be used, perhaps people will be able to equip some ships with sail propellers.

Despite the fact that the skills of creating sailing ships are largely forgotten, they can be restored rather quickly.


Small sailboats are still in production and are affordable for the price of a B-class car

Of course, rowing and sailing ships can hardly be attributed to warships, but they will be the first step in the return of humanity to the ocean.

Heritage


The main advantage of ships over ground vehicles is their significantly large size, which not only allows you to place a large amount of cargo, which makes sea transportation the cheapest type of transportation, but also allows you to place large-sized power plants, for example, steam boilers operating on low-quality liquid and solid fuel. - wood, fuel pellets, coal or peat.

Coal and peat in general can become the main fossil fuels that provide the energy needs of mankind at the initial stage after a global nuclear war. Coal resources are not as exhausted as readily available oil and gas reserves, and can be extracted both open-pit and mine. An even more affordable resource may be peat.


Coal and peat can be mined in the open pit. For several decades, or even a century, they can become the main fuel of the post-nuclear world

As the post-nuclear industry recovers, it is more likely that existing ships will be converted to reciprocating or turbine steam engines. Steam engines are fairly modern, but at the same time relatively simple technology. The first steamer was built at the end of the 80th century, and the construction of steamships was stopped only in the XNUMXs of the XNUMXth century.

Until the mid-70s, the maximum power of ship steam turbine power plants exceeded the power of ship diesel engines of that time. The efficiency (efficiency) of piston steam engines of the 50s was up to 25%, in boiler-turbine power plants it reached 35%. Steam boilers are still used on warships of the Russian Navy (Navy) - Project 956 destroyers and Project 1143.5 aircraft-carrying cruiser; steam boilers are installed on Project 1144 nuclear cruisers as a backup engine.


"Steamships" of the Russian Navy: destroyer of project 956 and aircraft-carrying cruiser "Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Kuznetsov" of project 1143.5

Building the hull of a relatively large ship from scratch is a rather complex technical task that requires appropriate infrastructure and materials. Therefore, the first large post-nuclear ships are likely to be manufactured on the basis of decommissioned ships. Probably, some of the abandoned ships can be restored by patching and strengthening the hull, others will serve as a source of elements for SKD assembly of some ship "monsters of Frankenstein". In this way, large enough ships can be created - with a displacement of hundreds of tons or more.


Decommissioned ships can find a second life in the post-nuclear world

Criminal shipbuilding experience


The experience of building ships and submarines by drug cartels can be cited as a specific example of the development of the shipbuilding industry. As the Colombian and American authorities blocked the routes of cocaine delivery from Colombia to the United States, drug traffickers were inventing new ways to solve the problem.

One of these ways was to create semi-submersible ships... Made of fiberglass, they are minimally visible on radar screens thanks to their low draft and hull contours optimized to reduce visibility. In principle, their technical simplicity makes it possible to implement something similar in the post-nuclear world.


Colombian drug traffickers semi-submersible vessels

An even more impressive example is the submarines created by the Colombian cartels. With their outlines, they already resemble submarines of the Second World War, although they are inferior to them in characteristics. Submarines of drug dealers go under the snorkel most of the way, but the latest modifications have been equipped with electric motors and batteries, which provide them with the possibility of short-term diving to a depth of nine meters.


Submarines of drug cartels

The semi-submerged ships and submarines described above are being built on the lines lost in the jungle and mangrove forests of Colombia. The lack of a developed infrastructure necessary for the construction of such ships suggests that their counterparts can be replicated in the post-nuclear world under severe technological constraints.

Aviation of the post-nuclear fleet


The experience of developing the navies of the leading countries of the world has confirmed the importance of air support for ships. Of course, creating a full-fledged aircraft carrier is not easy even now, and not every power can afford it, what can we say about the post-nuclear industry. However, one way or another, but the aircraft will return to the fleet.

As it was at the dawn of the formation of the aircraft carrier fleet, first of all, these will be the seaplanes, which we mentioned in the previous article. The seaplane can be based on a ship, and take off and land from the water surface.

An even more interesting option is gyroplanes due to their ability to perform short take-off and near vertical landing. This expands the possibilities of their application, since the takeoff of the gyroplane can be carried out both from the water and from the deck of the ship, if its length is at least 10-20 meters, and landing can be carried out at all on small-sized platforms.


Autogyro-hydroplane


Weapons of the post-nuclear world: the navy

Takeoff of the S-ZOR autogyro from the deck of the ship "Daedalus" in 1934

Ship gyroplanes and seaplanes can carry out reconnaissance in the interests of the fleet, ferry the sick or wounded, and deliver small, critical supplies.

weaponry


The development of aviation and the navy will lag behind the development of ground forces, both because of the greater urgent need for the latter, and because of the greater complexity of the creation of ships and aircraft.

As we said earlier, ships for the post-nuclear fleet can be created on the basis of the remnants of surviving and decommissioned ships and even hulls of new construction. But with their armament, difficulties may arise, since the recreation of artillery pieces or anti-ship missiles requires a sufficiently high level of technological development.

The first armament of the ships will be small arms weapon of various types: large-caliber machine guns and sniper rifles, hand grenade launchers mounted on rotating machines and equipped with protective shields.


Nowadays, large-caliber small arms are used on ships to destroy low-speed small targets

The main caliber of the post-nuclear fleet at the initial stage will be multiple launch rocket systems (MLRS) of various types, which, like the ammunition for them, are much easier to manufacture than artillery pieces and shells.


MLRS may be the easiest way to arm a post-nuclear fleet

In the future, as the element base develops, they will evolve into guided munitions, controlled by wire or radio command guidance, that is, unguided rockets will turn into classic anti-ship missiles (ASM).

Mines will become an even simpler and more widespread weapon of war at sea. They are relatively easy to make, yet extremely effective. In the absence of developed anti-mine weapons, they can disrupt the landing of an assault force, block the entrance to the water area or fairway, and help break away from the pursuing enemy ship.


Sea mines are one of the simplest and most inexpensive types of weapons, but at the same time they are extremely effective and dangerous.

There is no escape from the return of torpedo weapons. The first torpedoes were created at the end of the XNUMXth century, and their equivalent can be recreated in the post-nuclear world, for a start in an uncontrollable version, and then with control by wire. They will be used both from ships and submarines, and subsequently from aviation.


The evolution of torpedo armament in the late XNUMXth - early XNUMXth centuries

Tasks to be Solved


As we said earlier, the main tasks of the post-nuclear fleet will be the transportation of goods and the extraction of marine resources. Proceeding from this, combat operations at sea will primarily consist in the capture or destruction of enemy transport and fishing ships. In fact, it will be a kind of analogue of piracy or privateering. The main tasks of the post-nuclear fleet will be to protect their ships and capture / destroy enemy ships.


Pirates in a post-nuclear world are unlikely to be treated humanely

A more difficult but solvable task can be the implementation of full-scale invasions with amphibious assault and attack on ground targets. Land operations of a comparable scale will be much more difficult due to the shortage of liquid fuel, while steam ships require much more affordable coal and peat. For the enemy, the main threat of such an invasion will be the unpredictability of the attack time and the ability of ships to transport sufficiently large forces.

Compared to a war on land, which can degenerate into positional conflicts during the First World War, battles on water can be quite intense, since it is impossible to build defensive lines on the high seas, which gives room for the implementation of various tactical battle scenarios.

As the size, seaworthiness and cruising range of ships increase, they will increasingly expand the zone of influence of the enclave that created them, ensuring the search for resources and exchange of goods with other surviving human enclaves, contributing to the formation of new cooperative ties and the exchange of technologies, which means that the fleet can become one of the most effective tools for the formation of new great powers in the post-nuclear world.
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  1. nnm
    nnm 14 October 2020 18: 10
    +3
    Still, speaking of the post-nuclear world, it seems to me more correct to discuss the use of stones and sticks.
    1. AllBiBek
      AllBiBek 14 October 2020 18: 28
      +8
      It seems wrong to you.
      There will be too many materials and written sources, including ready-made reference books.
      So grandfather's stories about the past greatness of civilization will not seem like fairy tales.
      And further than the starting positions of the level of technology of the mid-19th century, humanity will not slide down even with a strong desire.
      Including agricultural, by the way.
      And this is sad, the current food industry is 90% genetically modified, and you can't rivet it on your knee.
      So farms and workshops are villages, but not a club and a stone. With this Einstein bent.
      1. nnm
        nnm 14 October 2020 18: 29
        +4
        I hope we don't get to see which of us is right.
        1. AllBiBek
          AllBiBek 14 October 2020 18: 44
          +5
          What's there to guess?
          After the Mesolithic Revolution, for example, mankind in its mass has nowhere slipped below the level of the early Mesolithic.
          After the Bronze Catastrophe - exactly to the Early Bronze level.
          Each time, the time before the surge is 2-3 generations, since, in general terms, the main technologies and techniques have been lost.
          In general, I see no reason why this time it could slide below the starting level of the Industrial Revolution.
          That is, the level of machine production of machine parts in 2-3 generations.
          It is an axiom.
          And there are plenty of examples.
        2. Pavel57
          Pavel57 14 October 2020 21: 29
          0
          Quote: nnm
          I hope we don't get to see which of us is right.

          It will definitely not work to discuss.
      2. dgonni
        dgonni 14 October 2020 19: 31
        +8
        They smiled like that. To understand that there will be no ready-made systematized sources suitable for the release of at least a steam engine and a boiler for milking it, it is enough to go to any regional library and ask for a book on the operation of the steam engine of that steam locomotive. There is a 99.9% probability that you will not find such a cliche. The same goes for boilers.
        For steam turbines, I just keep silent. Because according to them it will be easier to find literature and specifications, but there is nothing to produce them.
        The fact that technologies are being lost is eloquently shown by the curious case of the restoration of the AM-38F engine to restore the restored IL-2 aircraft to airworthiness. And it was about 10 years ago; and it was required to make a chevron gear for the gearbox for an almost worn-out engine. And not a single plant in Russia could produce such a gear. Although in the war they were riveted in thousands and millions not only for aircraft engines but also for all kinds of gearboxes.
        Those who do not believe on the website of the Mezanica company, they were engaged in the motor.
        So sticks and swords with the remnants of a rifleman from reserve warehouses is the whole arsenal in the post-nuclear world
        1. Shopping Mall
          14 October 2020 19: 45
          +2
          Quote: dgonni
          They smiled like that. To understand that there will be no ready-made systematized sources suitable for the release of at least a steam engine and a boiler for milking it, it is enough to go to any regional library and ask for a book on the operation of the steam engine of that steam locomotive. There is a 99.9% probability that you will not find such a cliche. The same goes for boilers.
          For steam turbines, I just keep silent. Because according to them it will be easier to find literature and specifications, but there is nothing to produce them.
          The fact that technologies are being lost is eloquently shown by the curious case of the restoration of the AM-38F engine to restore the restored IL-2 aircraft to airworthiness. And it was about 10 years ago; and it was required to make a chevron gear for the gearbox for an almost worn-out engine. And not a single plant in Russia could produce such a gear. Although in the war they were riveted in thousands and millions not only for aircraft engines but also for all kinds of gearboxes.
          Those who do not believe on the website of the Mezanica company, they were engaged in the motor.
          So sticks and swords with the remnants of a rifleman from reserve warehouses is the whole arsenal in the post-nuclear world


          You are partly right, but the whole point is that a person is cunning, curious and resourceful. It is one thing to reproduce something specific (an Il-2 aircraft), and another thing to solve a problem (to create a means of flight). It was not without reason that I gave the example of a steam engine of the late 19th century. Not the 20th century, but the end of the 19th century, i.e. some sort of 18 ** year. Do you really think that people will not be able to reproduce the steam engine of this time?

          The second factor is that even after a nuclear war, there will be quite a lot of people, many, albeit disunited, but enclaves. Somewhere there will be nuggets, inventors, somewhere equipment, somewhere both. And as cooperation ties are established, a synergistic effect arises.
          1. Nazar
            Nazar 14 October 2020 20: 12
            +5
            AVM - Even without a nuclear war, we have a noticeable "rollback" in technology - Several years ago it was decided to resume production of the TU-160 and - none, we cannot. But what about the TU-160, a simple Douglas-type machine - the IL114 - a development of the last century, which year we cannot start production. It is already five years that they are going to produce a new maize plant, and it is not known how many more years it will be assembled. For another ten years, we will develop in the same direction, so there will be no need to bomb us, without bombing we will run wild at all wassat
          2. dgonni
            dgonni 14 October 2020 20: 23
            +3
            How many of your friends do you personally know about aerodynamics, know what an aerodynamic focus or a mean aerodynamic chord is? What is a wing profile and what is an alignment of 29-25% MAR? How many of your friends remember at least the basics of hiermodynamics and have an idea of ​​calculating dynamic loads in a connecting rod mezanism and also have an idea of ​​a spool valve for steam? How many are looking for them know what a steam boiler is, what a water-tube boiler is, what is steam and a superheater, and why is all this needed?
            Answer this question honestly to yourself and you will understand that knowledge has already been lost and without special literature this knowledge will have to be rediscovered!
            Yes, even the elementary forges in the cities and villages remained as few as masters who could forge something and who knew metal.
            So stick stones sling crowbars from scrap metal and the remains of the shooter essno. Until you run out of cartridges or the powder in the cartridges deteriorates.
            1. Motorist
              Motorist 14 October 2020 22: 30
              +3
              Quote: dgonni
              How many of your friends do you personally have?

              Ie, in your opinion, in universities now they teach entirely jurisprudence and finance? I answer your questions to the Author: I have such acquaintances (men) - 80%. An exception is the "aerodynamic chord", perhaps ... what
          3. garri-lin
            garri-lin 14 October 2020 20: 27
            0
            I will add one more important factor. Motivation. When survival directly depends on the efficiency of the brain, the brain is activated. And there will be enough examples of mortality. The same Nuggets invented will be effective. Plus accurate information that something similar worked before. So there is no reason for doubt.
        2. Starover_Z
          Starover_Z 14 October 2020 20: 44
          +3
          Quote: dgonni
          just go to any regional library and ask for a book on the operation of the steam engine of that steam locomotive.

          And who said that the libraries will work? Without electricity and gas supplies, and there will definitely not be them after a severe war, there is no supply of newspapers at home now, so everything will go to kindling fires for cooking! Take, for example, the history of survival in besieged Leningrad, in apartments!
          1. dgonni
            dgonni 14 October 2020 20: 59
            0
            I cited libraries as an example of an archival knowledge base source! They will not work essno and in large cities they will not be together with cities. But something will remain the question of what and in what form.
            At this point in time, no one needs knowledge of programming in Assembler, acroming a narrow cohort of specialists and hackers, and 40-50 years ago they wrote programs for computers on it. The same goes for BASIC and FORTRAN. So after the apocalypse, such books will be destroyed first. Although this language is basic for programming.
            The same applies to the quantum physics of applied mathematics and the darkness of other sciences, which are indirectly of applied value but require a huge amount of time to understand global physical and biochemical processes.
        3. AllBiBek
          AllBiBek 14 October 2020 22: 45
          +3
          You know, Greek amphorae were covered with black varnish, which does not fade for thousands of years. Still as good as new. And now it is impossible to either recreate or make an analogue.
          I’m just looking around, and I don’t see that we are living at the level of technology from the times of the Greco-Persian wars.
          I mean, starting relatively from scratch is easier than copying something a century ago with current technologies. Expensively.
          That is why, by the way, the Americans do not recreate "Saturn", and we - "Energy". It will be easier and cheaper from scratch and in the given parameters.
          If it comes to that, Stirling looks more profitable as an external combustion engine for small-tonnage wooden ships now, from a post-knowledge standpoint, and due to the availability of materials.
    2. Virus-free crown
      Virus-free crown 14 October 2020 18: 35
      +2
      Quote: nnm
      Still, speaking of the post-nuclear world, it seems to me more correct to discuss the use of stones and sticks.

      I will not say for the whole world ... but on the same Rybinsk reservoir hundreds of fairly modern boats, cutters and catamarans are in such "anti-vandal bunkers" that if the Rybinsk reservoir is not purposefully bombed with vigorous loaves, there will be a fig and more of floating craft !!! hi
      1. Simargl
        Simargl 14 October 2020 19: 33
        +2
        Quote: Corona without virus
        there are watercraft will survive to fig and more !!!
        The question is how long they will live during operation. And for the complete degradation of technologies of two generations - behind the eyes.
        1. Virus-free crown
          Virus-free crown 14 October 2020 19: 41
          0
          Quote: Simargl
          Quote: Corona without virus
          there are watercraft will survive to fig and more !!!
          The question is how long they will live during operation. And for the complete degradation of technologies of two generations - behind the eyes.

          Well, the article deals with the coming years / decades after the apocalypse, right? repeat
          If you don't pour oil into the engine, it won't last more than an hour for anyone))) And if you have minimal knowledge of technology - (a generation is considered 20 years old, right?)) - even now motor vehicles from the times of the USSR cut through the "expanses of the world ocean" good so that's enough for half a century
          1. Simargl
            Simargl 14 October 2020 20: 01
            +3
            Quote: Corona without virus
            now motor vehicles from the times of the USSR cut through the "vastness of the world ocean" so that for half a century is enough for sure
            With a sufficient amount of fuel and lubricants and, perhaps more importantly, spare parts
            1. Virus-free crown
              Virus-free crown 14 October 2020 20: 10
              0
              Quote: Simargl
              Quote: Corona without virus
              now motor vehicles from the times of the USSR cut through the "vastness of the world ocean" so that for half a century is enough for sure
              With a sufficient amount of fuel and lubricants and, perhaps more importantly, spare parts

              I agree! good But ... if you approach business wisely - they learned how to distill fuels and lubricants from oil in the field for a very long time, and the principle of 3 non-workers will make 1 worker as long as I can remember, it still works! drinks
              1. Simargl
                Simargl 14 October 2020 20: 12
                +2
                Quote: Corona without virus
                the principle of 3 non-workers will make 1 worker as long as I can remember, it still works!
                Works, but not for long. The simplest thing is consumables: there may not be many of them, but one is unique and that's it. And this I did not indicate serious damage.
                1. Virus-free crown
                  Virus-free crown 14 October 2020 20: 33
                  0
                  Quote: Simargl
                  Quote: Corona without virus
                  the principle of 3 non-workers will make 1 worker as long as I can remember, it still works!
                  Works, but not for long. The simplest thing is consumables: there may not be many of them, but one is unique and that's it. And this I did not indicate serious damage.

                  Well smile let's look at the post-nuclear world ... on the Rybinsk reservoir ... (taking into account that it will not be purposefully bombed with nuclear bombs) ...
                  The initial conditions are hundreds of different ships ... and only 10-20-30 survivors ... who generally know how to navigate the seas-oceans ... repeat

                  even if it is stupid to ruin the technique, it will last for several decades for the eyes and ears smile
    3. Catfish
      Catfish 15 October 2020 03: 31
      +1
      You can add - claws and teeth, if the teeth do not fall out. wink
    4. Mister X
      Mister X 15 October 2020 08: 30
      +2
      Quote: nnm
      it is more correct to discuss the use of stones and sticks.

      hi
      Remembered the movie "Water World" (Kevin Costner)
      Crossbows, bows, sticks ...
      According to the scenario - fresh water and fertile land will be the most scarce resources
  2. Lebed
    Lebed 14 October 2020 18: 12
    15
    And the theme of the apocalypse is very popular with many ...
    P. c. I thought that the author is D. Verkhoturov.
  3. rocket757
    rocket757 14 October 2020 18: 15
    0
    This is awesome!
    Who knows that after the world apocalypse will survive?
    1. AllBiBek
      AllBiBek 14 October 2020 19: 05
      +3
      Yes, dofiga everything.
      And given the population density and the size of the territories, the Russian Federation will definitely not be an outsider.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 14 October 2020 19: 15
        +1
        There were anecdotes from the Soviet period ... they definitely indicated that something and something would survive! But that still doesn't inspire.
        1. AllBiBek
          AllBiBek 14 October 2020 19: 28
          +2
          Well, maybe at least this way humanity will start from the position not to think about increasing sales and other nonsense, but return to the path leading to the stars.
          After local (and global) civilizational collapses, the psychology of society is changing. Not drastically, but tangibly. There is a revision of values ​​and consideration of the mistakes of ancestors.
          True, there are also plenty of reverse examples - when society falls into the same trap over and over again. And not only by the examples of countries where every five years there is another color revolution.
          Several hundred cities in the South African jungle were abandoned in the pre-Hispanic period for the same reasons, and each time - as a result of the civil war.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 14 October 2020 23: 05
            +2
            We saw a short film, a cartoon with three bulls / rams, at a watering hole and a crocodile pretending to be a log .... or like in a children's line, about two rams on a bridge or a path! And it doesn't matter if one tries to back off, if the other simply won't let him do / finish.
            So, even if / when we back away, he, on the contrary, will behave like that ram on a narrow path!
            1. AllBiBek
              AllBiBek 14 October 2020 23: 37
              +1
              The analogy is understandable, but - nevertheless, man is a primate, that is, he is very primitive in his biology. Unlike, by the way, from the same ram, he is very specialized.
              This I mean that a person - due to the primitiveness of everything - has a very large margin of adaptability to any conditions. And, oddly enough, a very plastic psyche, even within the same generation.
              Let's get out.
              It is not clear where there will be no radical turn in the post-nuclear civilization (the collectively unconscious is lazy in our country, to match ourselves), but reaching the level of a mixture of diesel-punk and steam-punk will be realized extremely quickly.
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 15 October 2020 00: 11
                +1
                I hope that humanity will be kept from a rash step by an elementary fear ... for the integrity of its own skin, which is closer to the body like nothing else!
                1. AllBiBek
                  AllBiBek 15 October 2020 10: 49
                  +1
                  It never held, and it will not hold it now.
                  Man is an aggressor species, very specific. And he stupidly has no other way of adjusting his number, except for thinning his population on his own.
                  And how to thin out - I came up with a lot, and still comes up with it. It ranges from war to the imposition of homosexuality as a social doctrine on the entire population.
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 15 October 2020 11: 19
                    0
                    Humanity is not homogeneous, in fact, and yes, there are those who think in strange, dangerous categories.
    2. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 14 October 2020 20: 55
      +3
      Quote: rocket757
      This is awesome!

      Should I stick a videotape now, or wait? recourse
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 14 October 2020 23: 07
        +2
        So for a long time I have not watched anything like this ..... the plot does not change, only the effects become more realistic or fantastic!
  4. Livonetc
    Livonetc 14 October 2020 18: 15
    +3
    Every adult man, in his heart, is still the same kid, he is only aged in appearance.
    As long as the fantasy is alive, life will not be bored.
    laughing hi
  5. Macsen_wledig
    Macsen_wledig 14 October 2020 18: 21
    0
    It is immediately obvious that in Fallout the ships are bad ...
    There is no room for the imagination of the author. :)
    1. nnm
      nnm 14 October 2020 18: 26
      +1
      Maybe tell the author that there is already a similar plot - "The Last Ship", as much as 5 seasons)))
      There is some kind of American vessel, naturally, it seems to be beating successfully with our "eagle", if I remember correctly ..
  6. Pavel57
    Pavel57 14 October 2020 18: 25
    +1
    The author should revise "Water World".
    1. AllBiBek
      AllBiBek 14 October 2020 19: 07
      +2
      Uh-huh. And "Power of Fire" at the same time. The same level of confidence.
      But the original work of "Water World" is much more realistic and very dark. In the film, almost nothing is left of him.
  7. Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 14 October 2020 18: 31
    -3
    Schizophrenia is contagious! What difference does it make to ...? If this, God forbid, happens, Russia will find itself in the epicenter of this war and we will have no time for this delirium
    .
  8. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 14 October 2020 18: 34
    -3
    Well, you can still imagine a squadron of reed rafts "RA"!
    What? Already an amphibious assault on a neighboring continent can be drawn. With stones and sticks.
    1. AllBiBek
      AllBiBek 14 October 2020 19: 10
      +3
      Well, the Chukchi on walrus canoes and with machine guns landed on the neighboring mainland in the late 40s, according to Nefyodkin. And purposefully, for black women.
      So the boats, maybe, will be from improvised means, but the weapons will definitely not be stones and sticks.
  9. Alien From
    Alien From 14 October 2020 18: 43
    +1
    amazing cartel boats!
  10. 7,62h54
    7,62h54 14 October 2020 19: 23
    0
    It is unlikely that the matter will reach the post-nuclear world. Rather, the infrastructure will remain intact, but there will be no one to work. Covid has already entered the arena, and this is not the last test.
  11. AML
    AML 14 October 2020 19: 27
    -2
    Simple as that. Well, the war is over, but there are only a lot of warehouses, 20 years and we will restore civilization. Yeah, schaz. A bunch of local kings will immediately appear, who will not voluntarily divide, and why? Ie after a big war there will be a lot of small ones. But how much will remain in warehouses after the emergence of a state with centralized power, this is already a big question. The world can be mired in minor clashes for more than a dozen years. Who and what will then be able to read in the surviving textbooks is also a big question. And whether he can read at all.
  12. garri-lin
    garri-lin 14 October 2020 20: 38
    -1
    The ship has always been a kind of analogue of a fortress. A mobile fort with good resources. The fleet will definitely be and will be an accelerated development of port cities as centers of trade. And control over sea routes will be relevant at the level of WWII convoys. But I do not agree with the author on something. Building ships isn't that hard. Wood is a great material. No need for dry docks and other frills. Need a flat area near the water.
  13. Undecim
    Undecim 14 October 2020 20: 40
    13
    Weapons of the post-nuclear world: the navy

    Small hunter.

    Large landing ship.
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 14 October 2020 20: 53
      +2
      Quote: Undecim
      Large landing ship.

      And where is Noah's ark?
      1. Undecim
        Undecim 14 October 2020 21: 09
        +4
        Such complex structures are not yet ripe. The further the author delves into the topic, the more it becomes clear that he is far from any practical activity.
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 14 October 2020 21: 12
          +1
          Quote: Undecim
          Such complex structures are not yet ripe.

          And he's on Lloyd's list.
          1. Undecim
            Undecim 14 October 2020 21: 24
            +3
            And Lloyd has no lists. It has a register. And the ark is not there.
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 14 October 2020 21: 26
              +1
              Quote: Undecim
              And the ark is not there.

              There is, as far as I remember.
              1. Undecim
                Undecim 14 October 2020 21: 34
                +2
                There is, as far as I remember.
                Have you ever seen Lloyd's Register?
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 14 October 2020 21: 44
                  +1
                  Quote: Undecim
                  Have you ever seen Lloyd's Register?

                  I read the book "SOS, Tales of the Ships" It clearly says that Noah's ark is on Lloyd's list.
                  1. Undecim
                    Undecim 14 October 2020 21: 58
                    +3
                    The book is called "SOS. Stories of a Shipwreck". And there is practically nothing about Loyd's Register, occasional mentions. Can you tell me in which register you can see for which year?
                    1. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 14 October 2020 22: 55
                      +1
                      Quote: Undecim
                      Can you tell me in which register you can see for which year?

                      I don’t know. As it says, one person. asked for information about the ark. Answer: "Noah's Ark, built in 2488 BC, impregnated with resin, length - 300 cubits, width - 50. A cargo ship for transporting cattle. Owner - Noah and his son. Latest information - ran into Mount Ararat .. ...
                      1. Undecim
                        Undecim 14 October 2020 23: 05
                        +2
                        Those who wrote the answer with a sense of humor were fine, but those who read - not always.
                      2. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 14 October 2020 23: 11
                        +1
                        Quote: Undecim
                        but not always among those who read.

                        And what is wrong? Have you transported all the creatures in pairs? Moved.
                      3. Undecim
                        Undecim 14 October 2020 23: 12
                        +2
                        Are you talking about the Bible or about Lloyd's Register? These are different books.
                      4. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 14 October 2020 23: 16
                        +1
                        Quote: Undecim
                        These are different books.

                        But my head is all messed up. This is probably not normal ... recourse
                      5. Undecim
                        Undecim 14 October 2020 23: 21
                        +3
                        If you are comfortable believing that Noah's Ark is on the Loyd's Register - well, trust your health. People do not believe in this and nothing, live for themselves and live well.
                      6. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 14 October 2020 23: 24
                        +1
                        Quote: Undecim
                        People do not believe in this and nothing, live for themselves and live well.

                        In! I'll go and take another hundred grams ... drinks
                      7. Undecim
                        Undecim 14 October 2020 23: 43
                        +3
                        To your health!
                    2. Niel-le-Calais
                      Niel-le-Calais 15 October 2020 23: 26
                      -2
                      Quote: Undecim
                      that Noah's Ark is on Lloyd's Register

                      it was a humorous cast (there is such an anecdote)
                      But Noah's ark is not brought in
                      And the "Lyutin" bell did not beat on him (it would be interesting to have one or two blows, if anyone knows what this means)
                2. Catfish
                  Catfish 15 October 2020 03: 46
                  +2
                  Vic, good morning. smile
  • Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 14 October 2020 20: 52
    +2
    They forgot about our rower. Or have I missed?
  • Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 14 October 2020 20: 59
    +4
    Well, gentlemen, shipbuilding is somewhat closer to me than the rest of the capitalist economy.
    I don't want to offend anyone in any way ...
    But, the article is somewhat superficial. In theory, everything is beautiful, but this is a utopia.
    In practice, a lot of questions. And it is technological!
    I am not talking now about "dugout boats", I am talking about attempts to create metal ships with acceptable seaworthiness.
    And so many of them (questions) immediately flashed through my head ... That I don't even know where to start ...
    This is a report on a hundred pages to write. There is no strength, no desire, no time. request
    1. AllBiBek
      AllBiBek 14 October 2020 22: 49
      0
      There was such a type of ships in the Far East in the 90s, called "Bespredelschik".
      Poaching schooners, brought to mind by trial, error and personal experience.
      Of course, most of the Kulibins were without proper education.
      So - something will come up, certainly.
    2. garri-lin
      garri-lin 14 October 2020 23: 22
      0
      Metal won't become a rarity, but metalworking in large quantities will be extremely difficult. The ships will return to the wooden hulls. Possibly sheathed with steel sheets. Vessel traffic will be along the coast. A sort of coastal shipping company. Milking long-distance transitions, navigation will be the main problem. There are no satellites. There are no radio beacons. Sextant in hand. Namely, a vessel of about 1000 tons to produce a problem is quite solvable.
      1. AllBiBek
        AllBiBek 14 October 2020 23: 49
        0
        I disagree; radio communication of the level of a hundred years ago will be recreated in which case one of the first. The temptation is too great, and the advantage is too big at a relatively small cost.
        1. garri-lin
          garri-lin 15 October 2020 00: 51
          -1
          If people actively interact with each other. And if individual societies are closed? Radio for the sake of communication is one thing. And the radio beacon is a little different. It is dangerous to provide location information to unknown persons. Possibly they are aggressive and looking for profit.
          1. AllBiBek
            AllBiBek 15 October 2020 10: 51
            0
            A number of factors are needed to close society in itself. For example, a sufficient amount of renewable resources, the ability to defend a territory, and a sufficient diversity of the population.
            The problem of fresh blood will not go anywhere, it will even worsen.
            1. garri-lin
              garri-lin 15 October 2020 10: 57
              -1
              There will be a good reason for the closure of society. Distrust of others. Waiting for a catch.
              1. AllBiBek
                AllBiBek 15 October 2020 11: 04
                0
                Society goes into tough isolation always for the same reasons.
                More precisely, two.
                Theocracy and gerontocracy.
                All.
                Already the second generation will strive to expand the habitat. Preferably with you in the lead role.
                Further details.
                1. garri-lin
                  garri-lin 15 October 2020 12: 11
                  -1
                  The area can be expanded in several ways. Including the capture of adjacent territories or strategically important nodes. Everyone will expect this behavior from everyone. And accordingly, they will not make life easier for potential opponents.
  • Kostya Lavinyukov
    Kostya Lavinyukov 14 October 2020 23: 03
    0
    Maly Yaroslavets is our everything!
  • Hunter 2
    Hunter 2 14 October 2020 23: 42
    +1
    What was that now? belay
    Tomorrow I will resume training in archery and crossbow shooting, remember the knife fight, sign up for fencing ... and I forgot about darts and spears sad
    Maybe if something happens, with these skills - they will again take to the Marines, on some kind of rowing galley or boat! soldier laughing
  • ZEMCH
    ZEMCH 14 October 2020 23: 52
    +1
    Building the hull of a relatively large ship from scratch is a rather complex technical task that requires appropriate infrastructure and materials.

    Pencil, patterns, ruler, knowledge and paper. This is enough for a complete ship design.
    For construction, metal of the right quality and ... that's all. You can also collect on rivets)))
    1. Lynx2000
      Lynx2000 15 October 2020 06: 50
      +2
      what
      This topic is relatively familiar to me. The current state of the modern fishing and coastal fleet, in any case, is approaching "post-nuclear".

      Regarding, the "homemade" from poaching schooners in the Far East in the 90s. The situation was as follows:
      For fishing (longline fishing with hooks and setting nets) in the coastal zone, motorboots were used: boats (project "Kostromich"); QL; saved the boats. These vessels were registered with the State Inspection Service. We went fishing early in the morning at dusk.
      For fishing in 12 miles and in economic zones, Japanese / Korean fishing schooners were used, analogs of our MRS, MRTk, RS, STR, SRTM.
      The alterations did not concern changes in seaworthiness. The alterations concerned installations for catching, processing crab, or installing a freezer hold and a fish processing line. These vessels were "one-off" in the Rosmorregister were not taken into account, they were not assigned by the ship registration service in the reports, and they were not equipped with the GMDSS system.
      The task of such vessels is to catch the most valuable FBGs to go to the m / v, unload to the receiver.

      It is not so easy to build the hull of even a small vessel from metal.
      We need a project. Where to get ship's register metal? Not to build from ordinary rolled metal ...
      At least it is necessary to have a repair base: a machine tool park, welded devices, gas cutters, etc., ship's spare parts, slipway, crane (s), slip / slip.

      A vessel left without maintenance is ready for cutting in a couple of years.

      In the event of hostilities, the coastal infrastructure becomes the target of the enemy, and this, in addition to the fleet (military / civil), ports, shipyards, warehouses (equipment, spare parts, fuel and lubricants).
  • Tektor
    Tektor 15 October 2020 14: 44
    0
    My humble IMHO is that civilization cannot be destroyed with the available amount of nuclear weapons. For a simple reason - a strong early warning system and missile defense system. The overwhelming majority of nuclear charges will not explode, because will be destroyed on approach. And if such a civilizational center as Moscow survives, then civilization will not be thrown anywhere. But Western civilization will really be overthrown.
  • Petrograd
    Petrograd 15 October 2020 18: 07
    +1
    There will only be a mournful singing of the wind in a lifeless desert and listening to this funeral melody there will be surviving geeks, former people, eating bones envious of the already dead, the dark sky will be a funeral shroud over the pride of mankind around the death of destruction and the destruction of all living radiation killing their own kind for a gulp of clear water here for a piece of food -full and hopeless tryndets
  • evgen1221
    evgen1221 15 October 2020 18: 09
    +2
    what will the fleet be? - a rowing galley if a tree and tools with a sailcloth are found. Forget about the internal combustion engine. Dead cycle of articles after the first article.
  • Niel-le-Calais
    Niel-le-Calais 15 October 2020 23: 29
    -1
    and without a nuclear war, humanity can easily be returned centuries earlier.
    You can wait for a couple of volcanoes and a banal cold snap.
    And then they got fat in a short period of warming.