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A civilized option for resolving the Karabakh conflict is presented

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The more experts from different countries speak out about the conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh, the more clearly the only way out of the current situation looms.


If we assume that the Azerbaijani authorities decide to go all the way, then the conflict could turn into an extremely protracted one with a large number of losses on both sides, including civilian casualties. In this case, Azerbaijan, despite the losses, can achieve control over the seven regions occupied by the Armenian forces, as well as the occupation of Stepanakert (the capital of the unrecognized Nagorno-Karabakh Republic).

But what can happen after that?

If from the seven regions and NKR mentioned above, the Armenian civilian population has to flee after the entry of Azerbaijani troops there (and the probability of this is quite high), then Azerbaijan may get a protracted partisan war. In other words, the territorial conflict for Baku may seem resolved in its favor, but this may well lead to new threats for the Republic of Azerbaijan.

Experts from different countries agree that the conflict will not have a solution if events develop purely to the detriment of one of the parties. If the Armenian troops remain in their positions, this is to the detriment of Azerbaijan, and if Azerbaijan takes control of not only seven regions, but also Artsakh, then this is to the detriment of Armenia.

In such a situation, the conflict can be resolved only in the event of a compromise between the parties. And this formula has already been spelled out in international documents signed by both the representatives of Armenia and the representatives of Azerbaijan. The formula is as follows: Armenia transfers the five regions occupied by Azerbaijan to the full control of Azerbaijan, after which Baku recognizes the independence (or at least broad autonomy) of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic, then Armenia transfers the remaining two regions to the control of Azerbaijan. The only civilized option for resolving the conflict.

However, there is still a strange nuance here. Armenia, appealing to the international community with a request to recognize the independence of the NKR, has not yet done so itself. In this case, the formula under which Azerbaijan “recognizes the independence of Artsakh” before being recognized as such by Yerevan still looks “lame”. Thus, for the authorities of Armenia itself, there is only one option: if we follow the path of resolving the conflict, then - to recognize the independence of the NKR and at the same time transfer seven regions adjacent to the NKR under the control of Baku. Otherwise, Yerevan will actually continue to sign for the occupation of Azerbaijani territories and the conduct of hostilities in the territory of the neighboring country.
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  1. MTN
    MTN 13 October 2020 08: 26
    -6
    Armenia transfers the five regions occupied by Azerbaijan under the full control of Azerbaijan, after which Baku recognizes the independence (or at least broad autonomy) of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic

    Forget about the independence of Karabakh. Azerbaijan will not agree to this. And the late Heydar Aliyev has already proposed wide autonomy. In this situation, I doubt that Ilham Aliyev will agree to this. Although God knows .... but 100% will not agree to the independence of Karabakh.

    This article describes the Madrid Principles. To which not Azerbaijan but Armenia should subscribe and there were no lines about the independence of Karabakh.
    1. Civil
      Civil 13 October 2020 08: 43
      11
      1. The parties in the heat of nationalism are incapable of negotiations.
      2. Only if powerful countries under the threat of decisive assistance to the enemy can simply try to freeze the conflict.
      3. Either the war will continue until the parties are exhausted. Middle Eastern option.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 13 October 2020 09: 34
        +3
        Quote: Civil
        Or the war will continue until the sides are exhausted. Middle Eastern option.

        Most likely, this option is more realistic.
    2. Grandfather
      Grandfather 13 October 2020 08: 44
      +2
      Thus, for the authorities of Armenia itself, there is only one option: if we follow the path of resolving the conflict, then - to recognize the independence of the NKR and at the same time transfer seven regions adjacent to the NKR under the control of Baku.
      it will turn out like in a joke: ... "John, don't you think we fucked each other for free ...?"
    3. Ulrih
      Ulrih 13 October 2020 08: 52
      11
      An article that at the moment this is perhaps the only option how to agree without a war - so that each of the parties would get at least something, and you are all about the fact that only Azerbaijan has rights. Well, if this is the position, then fight on. Only without snot if it touches your relatives or if you suddenly get in the face.
      1. MTN
        MTN 13 October 2020 09: 01
        -2
        Quote: Ulrih
        and you are all about the fact that only Azerbaijan has rights

        As I understand it, there are no rights in this world, there are no laws? Is the mess full? If there are no laws and regulations for what the hell has Azerbaijan been brainwashed with this OSCE for 30 years?
        1. alexmach
          alexmach 13 October 2020 10: 01
          +1
          If there are no laws and regulations for what the hell has Azerbaijan been brainwashed with this OSCE for 30 years?

          It is better to "powder the brains of this OSCE" than to fight. There are rules, but sometimes following good rules in general will result in unacceptable results.
        2. MKPU-115
          MKPU-115 13 October 2020 10: 41
          +1
          Quote: MTN
          Quote: Ulrih
          and you are all about the fact that only Azerbaijan has rights

          As I understand it, there are no rights in this world, there are no laws? Is the mess full?

          Well, finally it came to pass. yes
        3. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 13 October 2020 12: 36
          +3
          Quote: MTN
          As I understand it, there are no rights in this world, there are no laws?


          Complain, uh, about the Hegemon. It was he who made every effort to destroy the system of international treaties and restrictions.
        4. vVvAD
          vVvAD 13 October 2020 18: 13
          0
          Ask the OSCE itself - it has powdered the brains not only of Azerbaijan wink
        5. Pavlos Melas
          Pavlos Melas 13 October 2020 18: 14
          0
          Quote: MTN
          Quote: Ulrih
          and you are all about the fact that only Azerbaijan has rights

          As I understand it, there are no rights in this world, there are no laws? Is the mess full? If there are no laws and regulations for what the hell has Azerbaijan been brainwashed with this OSCE for 30 years?

          In this world, alas, the rule of the strong is old as the world. Double standards are used everywhere. Having liberated Karabakh tomorrow, you with joy and song recognize the "Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus" and you will grovel as rightly.
        6. Grits
          Grits 14 October 2020 01: 21
          +2
          Quote: MTN
          As I understand it, there are no rights in this world, there are no laws? Is the mess full?

          Why isn't it? there is! Even two main ones.
          1. The right of peoples to self-determination
          2. Territorial integrity of states
          Choose what you like best.
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 13 October 2020 10: 00
        -1
        Quote: Ulrih
        so that each of the parties would get at least something, and you are all about the fact that only Azerbaijan has rights.

        There is no right or wrong here. Dumb witnesses of this, temples. There are Armenian churches. Karabakh is one of the rare beauty pearls of religious architecture in the entire Caucasus. The first mention of the holy monastery dates back to the 10th century, but the oldest church that has survived to this day was built on the ruins of an even more ancient cathedral in 1216-1238. Prince Asan Jalal Vakhtangyan. The Muslim religion came to Nagorno-Karabakh together with the Arab conquerors in the XNUMXth century. Then Persia established itself here. The Armenians and Azerbaijanis did not live easily, but they found common ground, and now everything went to pieces, and it seems they will never stop.
        1. MTN
          MTN 13 October 2020 10: 04
          -5
          Quote: tihonmarine
          was built on the ruins of an even more ancient cathedral in 1216-1238. Prince Asan Jalal Vakhtangyan.

          Please write the truth.
          Not Asan but KHASAN JALAL, but the Persian ending YAN was later Armenianized by the Armenians. And this person has nothing to do with Armenians. KHASAN JALAL is an ALBANIAN PRINCE and not Armenian. Please check the information before writing. That the ancient Armenians had problems with their names?
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          2. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 13 October 2020 17: 00
            +1
            Quote: MTN
            Please write the truth.

            I am writing the truth, as historians wrote and write it.
            Asan Jalal Dola are of Arab origin, which is explained by the Arab tradition rooted in Georgia and Armenia since the time of the Caliphate. Asan means noble in Arabic, Jalal means majestic, and Dola means generous.
    4. halpat
      halpat 13 October 2020 08: 54
      +1
      Quote: MTN
      Armenia transfers the five regions occupied by Azerbaijan under the full control of Azerbaijan, after which Baku recognizes the independence (or at least broad autonomy) of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic

      Forget about the independence of Karabakh. Azerbaijan will not agree to this. And the late Heydar Aliyev has already proposed wide autonomy. In this situation, I doubt that Ilham Aliyev will agree to this. Although God knows .... but 100% will not agree to the independence of Karabakh.

      This article describes the Madrid Principles. To which not Azerbaijan but Armenia should subscribe and there were no lines about the independence of Karabakh.

      And I did not understand at all from the article WHOM this "civilized version" is presented. Person or country ...
      Did the Armenians present? - no. Azerbaijan? - no.
      Stuffing some.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 13 October 2020 17: 07
        -1
        Quote: Halpat
        Stuffing some.
        Reply

        Probably "ABS agency".
  2. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 13 October 2020 08: 31
    +7
    A civilized option for resolving the Karabakh conflict is presented
    No take it easy. All options are sucked out of the "experts" fingers. Azerbaijanis never recognize NKR as independent.
  3. MTN
    MTN 13 October 2020 08: 34
    -2
    Thus, for the authorities of Armenia itself, there is only one option: if you follow the path of resolving the conflict, then - to recognize the independence of the NKR

    In this case, Armenia will be left without an army and without equipment. The war will be to the bitter end. Or Armenia or Azerbaijan will remain there.

    I wonder who the author of the article is? Why does he not suggest respecting international law? Why doesn't he offer to implement UN resolutions? Why does the author not propose to implement the Madrid paragraph, something that the OSCE has been trying to implement for 30 years? Strange ... ……….

    The author of the article writes that this is a CIVILIZED method. WRONG !!! This is the most dangerous way !!!!

    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 13 October 2020 12: 38
      +1
      Judging by how the Azerbaijani army is going, it will definitely remain without personnel
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  4. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 13 October 2020 08: 36
    16
    This is for us on sofas in cozy Russia, where it has long been quiet and peaceful, it seems that these proposals are reasonable ... And they have explosions, blood, refugees, funerals ... and everyone believes that he is right ... Pashinyan is already "translating arrows ", in the social networks of Armenia: ... the Russians took the victory from the Armenians with their truce ... Well, where next? Personally, I don't believe that this is how it will end ...
    1. MTN
      MTN 13 October 2020 08: 54
      +3
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      the Russians took the victory from the Armenians by their truce ...

      laughing
      Very similar to the Armenians.
      In April 2016, when the Armenians lost the skyscrapers, the soldier, the minister of defense was removed, but at the same time they celebrated the victory over Azerbaijan)
    2. MKPU-115
      MKPU-115 13 October 2020 10: 48
      +3
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      the Russians took the victory from the Armenians by their truce ...

      Well, what do you want from Pashinyan. He simply voiced what the curators from the CIA USA dictated to him.
      Or does anyone doubt that the ears of the United States are sticking out behind this "war"?
      The United States in any scenario from this "war" will be the beneficiary, regardless of who wins.
    3. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 13 October 2020 12: 39
      0
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Pashinyan is already "moving the arrows"

      Well who doubted !? That means no military assistance.
  5. nnm
    nnm 13 October 2020 08: 37
    +8
    And why, having the Armenian population in the form of a Trojan horse in the territories occupied by Azerbaijan and occupying the dominant heights, allowing, in a protracted conflict, inflicting constant fire damage and gradually squeezing the enemy out of the occupied territories, should Armenia go for this option? Moreover, there will be time for regrouping and strengthening the defense ?!
    1. d4rkmesa
      d4rkmesa 13 October 2020 08: 51
      +2
      Because it's a double-edged sword. It will not be possible to gain a foothold in the "gray zone" anyway.
    2. MTN
      MTN 13 October 2020 08: 56
      0
      Quote: nnm
      enemy from the occupied territories, should Armenia go for this option?

      Do you understand they are blockaded? Armenia will not prosper while they are at enmity with Azerbaijan. Armenians will not live peacefully in Karabakh. The Armenians will not be able to hold on for a long time ... ..
      Just look at what ratings they give them in world banks. What is their duty. All offer how to fight against Azerbaijan, but no one talks about international law.
      1. nnm
        nnm 13 October 2020 09: 00
        19
        So, in 2019, the growth rate of the Armenian economy was almost 3 times higher than the growth of Azerbaijan. What other international law are you talking about? After Yugoslavia, especially Kosovo, there is no international law.
        1. MTN
          MTN 13 October 2020 09: 12
          -4
          Quote: nnm
          So, in 2019, the growth rate of the Armenian economy was almost 3 times higher than the growth of Azerbaijan.

          ash 3 times) and who is the source? can you confirm with facts? Be so kind

          Quote: nnm
          After Yugoslavia, especially Kosovo, there is no international law.

          This means that Azerbaijan needs to send this clownery called OSCE to kindergarten.
          1. nobody75
            nobody75 13 October 2020 09: 26
            +7
            This means that Azerbaijan needs to send this clownery called OSCE to kindergarten.

            So send! Look, to begin with, who is in the Minsk Group ... And calculate the military, I will keep silent about the political and economic, the consequences of "sending". Where did you get these Ukrainisms?
            Sincerely
            1. MTN
              MTN 13 October 2020 09: 45
              -2
              Quote: nobody75
              So send! Look, for a start, who is in the Minsk Group ...

              Everyone spits on international law, but I want to abandon intermediaries who twist this international law to Azerbaijan, threaten with consequences))))))))))))) God, what a world that has gone)
              1. nobody75
                nobody75 13 October 2020 12: 03
                +2
                Dear Interlocutor! Let me tell you a terrible military secret - the problem of Karabakh does not exist for the Azerbaijani elites! It was solved long ago (by the very Minsk group that you are scolding). That part of the Armenian diaspora, whose attempts to get into the Baku "business" business led to the massacre and secession of Karabakh, moved a long time ago partly to California, partly to France and to Russia of course ... Amazing coincidence with the countries that the UN entrusted with the solution of the Karabakh problem ... Don't you think this is amazing?
                They left ... and the "Karabakh Franchise" created by them already lives its own life.
                Sincerely
          2. MKPU-115
            MKPU-115 13 October 2020 10: 53
            +1
            Quote: MTN
            This means that Azerbaijan needs to send this clownery called OSCE to kindergarten.

            Somehow it’s hard for you.
      2. MKPU-115
        MKPU-115 13 October 2020 10: 51
        -1
        Quote: MTN
        but nobody talks about international law

        The one who has more rights is right, in the modern world this is so, alas.
      3. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 13 October 2020 12: 40
        +1
        Quote: MTN
        but nobody talks about international law.


        Should you? After the punitive war against Yugoslavia?
  6. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 13 October 2020 08: 49
    +5
    there is no normal solution here ... because the parties are incapable of negotiating (especially the Armenian side, which rocked the conflict to a hot phase) ... and with further politicization and an appeal to the world community (I don’t understand what kind of horse in a vacuum) there will be no solution other than force. .. you can crush the guerrilla ...
    the possible transfer of all the occupied regions to Azerbaijan and the definition of broad autonomy for Karabakh (without the possibility of secession, of course) under UN guarantees (if it fits) ... everything else is war ... of varying intensity ...
    1. d4rkmesa
      d4rkmesa 13 October 2020 08: 56
      +2
      "transfer of all the occupied regions" - no one will agree to this, because in this case, the territory of the former NKAO will be cut off from Armenia. We need an analogue of the Brcko district in the area of ​​the Lachin corridor. And guarantees without some third party troops will not work. But the UN is in crisis, blue helmets, as in the 90s, are no longer sent. In addition, after Rwanda, the presence of peacekeepers, to put it mildly, is not a guarantee. The armed peacekeepers will gladly give out the peacekeepers to any barmaley in exchange for their own lives or even just threats, simply if they consider the crowd armed with a machete threatening.
      1. MTN
        MTN 13 October 2020 09: 02
        +2
        Quote: d4rkmesa
        We need an analogue of the Brcko district in the area of ​​the Lachin corridor.

        OK. Azerbaijan agrees. Then let the corridor be given from Armenia to Nakhichevan.
      2. NDR-791
        NDR-791 13 October 2020 09: 05
        +1
        "transfer of all occupied areas" - no one will agree to this
        Such goodness all over the world ... Israel-Palestine, North-South Korea, Donbass is slipping into the same pit. Now the south will be at our side.
        1. d4rkmesa
          d4rkmesa 13 October 2020 10: 57
          0
          Well, Israel has actually already bitten Palestine to one Gaza Strip. Here, the same option is possible, when the territory of the NKR will be bitten up to the city district of Stepanakert before the current events, with occasional nightmare of the locals.
      3. MKPU-115
        MKPU-115 13 October 2020 10: 57
        0
        Quote: d4rkmesa
        Armed peacekeepers will gladly give out the peacekeepers to any barmaley in exchange for their own lives or even just threats, simply if they find the crowd armed with a machete threatening.

        Turkish peacekeepers are happy. laughing
  7. Livonetc
    Livonetc 13 October 2020 08: 51
    16
    The only option is the division of territories, with a revision of the current borders.
    Probable or not probable, but the only one capable of exhausting the conflict.
    hi
    1. MTN
      MTN 13 October 2020 08: 57
      0
      Quote: Livonetc
      The only option is the division of territories, with a revision of the current borders.

      Already at the beginning of the 20th century, he divided Azerbaijan into 2 parts and created Armenia. They don't really live at home, but give them some land. Azerbaijan will not go for partition
      1. Livonetc
        Livonetc 13 October 2020 09: 03
        +8
        And he is not capable of recapturing the entire territory.
        As a result, a deep crisis in Azerbaijan, and an extremely possible color revolution.
        The consequences can be catastrophic for Azerbaijan.
        Sometimes you need to dampen pride and use a pragmatic mind.
        1. MTN
          MTN 13 October 2020 09: 14
          -3
          Quote: Livonetc
          As a result, a deep crisis in Azerbaijan, and an extremely possible color revolution.

          Believe me, no one is against Aliyev. I will even say more, at least 80% of the population for him.

          Quote: Livonetc
          Sometimes you need to dampen pride and use a pragmatic mind.

          Totally agree with you. This also applies to Armenians.
          1. Cyril G ...
            Cyril G ... 13 October 2020 12: 46
            0
            Quote: MTN
            Believe me, no one is against Aliyev. I will even say more, at least 80% of the population for him.


            Let's do it this way. There is an obvious step - a blow to oil pipelines. Fall as a result of the economy, etc. etc. Plus, it is not known how many 200s have already appeared in Az.MO ... All this is capable of destroying Aliyev as a politician in the shortest possible time. Yes, your power is in fact hereditary. But not the fact that he will survive the crisis and will not be removed.
        2. Errr
          Errr 13 October 2020 10: 39
          0
          Quote: Livonetc
          Sometimes you need to dampen pride and use a pragmatic mind.
          And instantly drinks toast:
          ... And when the whole flock flew to the south to winter, one small but proud bird said: "Personally, I will fly directly into the sun."
          She began to rise higher and higher, but very soon she burned her wings and fell to the very bottom of the deepest gorge.
          So let's drink to the fact that none of us, no matter how high he flies, would never break away from the team!

          I really feel sorry for the bird ... lol
      2. MKPU-115
        MKPU-115 13 October 2020 10: 58
        0
        Quote: MTN
        Azerbaijan will not go for partition

        And who will ask him if the batch starts on a large scale?
    2. border
      border 13 October 2020 10: 55
      0
      As long as one side is confident of its military victory, negotiations are unlikely to begin. There will be confidence that one more dash, a little push and the territories will be their own. And the superpowers do not seem to want to press the conflict participants a little stronger. And Turkey is only for solving the issue by force. Otherwise, there would be no drones, no F-16, or the rest there would be.
  8. Avior
    Avior 13 October 2020 08: 58
    +8
    The Armenians came to their senses too late
    Broad autonomy had to be offered when they had a military advantage
    Or will agree to the proposal of Aliyev - senior
    And now, of course, there will be autonomy, but far from that wide
    And Azerbaijan, one way or another, will squeeze all the time
    1. MTN
      MTN 13 October 2020 09: 03
      +1
      Quote: Avior
      It’s a bit late for the Armenians to come to their senses Wide autonomy should have been offered when they had a military advantage Or would agree to the proposal of Aliyev, the senior

      IN-IN. Right!!!!
  9. Alena-Baku
    Alena-Baku 13 October 2020 09: 00
    -6
    When Soviet troops entered Berlin, everyone suddenly became anti-fascists, when Azerbaijani soldiers entered Khankendi, it would be the same. And the Armenians will always have time to justify themselves, for example, they will say that it was not us, it was the Russians.
    1. nobody75
      nobody75 13 October 2020 13: 09
      -1
      when Azerbaijani soldiers enter Khankendi

      Fulfilling their part of the Agreements with the Azerbaijani side, the countries of the Minsk Group have undertaken obligations for the "Great Resettlement of the People". And they fulfilled these obligations in full. Moreover, a particularly difficult burden fell on the Russian Federation - the organization of an "air bridge" and a "transshipment point".
      Please tell me, "and eat candy and climb on ... a Christmas tree" - is this the official position of the leadership of Azerbaijan or is it your personal opinion, Dear Olena?
      Sincerely
      1. Alena-Baku
        Alena-Baku 13 October 2020 15: 04
        +3
        Olya Dzhaugashtiev, with all due respect, has not figured out what agreements are in question if you are talking about Azerbaijani refugees who were subjected to ethnic cleansing on the territory of Nagorno-Karabakh and outside the non-governmental organization, and this was the largest flow of refugees after World War II with the Khojaly genocide. The Minsk Group completely discriminated against itself and showed an example of double standards. And how beautifully and flattering you are about Russia, you now need it so much that Russian guys would fight in your place, unlike you, I will call Russia during Yeltsin's time a shameful page in its history. While one thing is clear, Pashinyan sat down on the tree without swallowing the candy of the west. As for my opinion, I do not see the point in introducing polymics with (man) who call people's suffering the migration of peoples.
        With sympathy for the fascists.
        1. nobody75
          nobody75 13 October 2020 15: 54
          -2
          Sorry, I fully support your contempt for the Nazis and Bandera!
          Unlike you, I never called for war, unlike you. I wrote only about its possibility ... Agree, these are slightly different things. Personally, I am neither Armenian nor Azeri - the interests of Russia are important to me. Russian guys won't fight ... until ... and then most likely they won't have to. Let me find out, what did Yeltsin not please you in Azerbaijan? By the fact that he was an honorary Armenian border guard?
          Are you interested in what kind of agreement are you talking about? Excuse me ... This is the so-called "Bishkek Protocol" of May 5, 1994 and the ceasefire agreement that follows from it, which was signed, among other things, by M. Mamedov on May 9, 1994.
          Here is what Vladimir Kazimirov, the plenipotentiary representative of the President of Russia in Nagorno-Karabakh, recalls about the position of the representative of Azerbaijani refugees:
          The idea signed by Bakhmanov led to embarrassment. Azerbaijanis wrote down his last name by hand, but could not find him in Baku in time
          ... A strange position for a defender of injured people ... don't you think?
          So he was poor for the genocide worried that he did not get in touch ...
          You would, forgive me, at least familiarize yourself with the history of the conflict before engaging in graphomania.
          "It's never too late to learn!"
          Sincerely
  10. Vitaly Tsymbal
    Vitaly Tsymbal 13 October 2020 09: 06
    0
    Most likely, events will develop according to this scenario, only, as I wrote earlier, Karabakh should be included in Armenia, then security in this region will be entrusted to the CSTO, and not only the Turks, even the United States, will not risk conflict with this structure. But there is one but ... and this is but Pashinyan, it is this henchman of Soros who will try to drag out the war, to please the arms manufacturers. Azerbaijan is quite satisfied with this option, and if, in exchange for the Lachin passage, Aliyev can bargain for a corridor to Nakhichevan (this option was considered in the early 90s), then his political authority will significantly increase not only among Azerbaijanis. But this is possible if the intra-Azerbaijani elites support Aliyev in limiting dependence on Turkey.
    1. MTN
      MTN 13 October 2020 09: 18
      -2
      Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal
      Karabakh should be included in Armenia

      Will not be included. It's impossible. This is a direct path to the 3rd World War.

      Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal
      Aliyev will be able to bargain a corridor to Nakhichevan

      this means Armenia is losing the road to Iran. Will they go for it?

      Sorry, but your review is very stupid !!!
      1. Vitaly Tsymbal
        Vitaly Tsymbal 13 October 2020 09: 26
        -3
        Sorry, but your analysis of my review is even stupider !!! You absolutely do not understand what is happening in that region and what is causing the war there. As for the corridor to Nakhichevan - you absolutely do not own the topic !!! The option was proposed by Heydar Aliyev in the early 90s, but then nationalists were in power on both sides ...
        1. MTN
          MTN 13 October 2020 09: 52
          +3
          Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal
          As for the corridor to Nakhichevan - you absolutely do not own the topic !!! The option was proposed by Heydar Aliyev in the early 90s

          Dear Vitaliy.
          Heydar Aliyev is a LEGEND in every sense. I am proud that a person like him was at the head of my people. He is a KGB and a GENIUS. When the Armenians began to ask for a corridor from Armenia to Karabakh, but at the same time peace is love carrots, the question is, if we have peace, why do you need a corridor? That's why Aliyev said, if you want a corridor, OK, give me the same corridor across your territory to Nakhichevan. The corridor in Armenia to Nakhichevan means the COMPLETE BLOCKADE OF ARMENIA. Are you looking at the map? This means Armenia is losing its borders with Iran. This is Zangilan.
          1. Vitaly Tsymbal
            Vitaly Tsymbal 13 October 2020 10: 10
            0
            I also have a very respectful attitude to Heydar Alievich, especially since he played a significant role in my life. So the "Aliyev corridor" is a road and gas-oil pipelines (if memory serves, then also a water pipeline) that does not pass along the border with Iran and does not interfere with communication with the "cut off" territories of Armenia. But this is possible only under the guarantees of security from Armenia and Russia. As far as I remember, this option was considered under Gorbachev in 90, but G.A. Aliyev was then in "exile" in his own Nakhichevan, and then either "not distant" party nomenklatura members or radical nationalists both in Azerbaijan and in Armenia were in power.
            1. MTN
              MTN 13 October 2020 10: 15
              +1
              Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal
              I also have a very respectful attitude towards Heydar Alievich

              Thanks for the kind words.

              Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal
              then there were either "not distant" party nomenklatura in power, or radical nationalists like in Azerbaijan

              You are absolutely right, just not the nationalists, but there was a struggle for power. People's Front (it only has the name People's Front)

              Best regards
              1. nobody75
                nobody75 13 October 2020 14: 20
                -2
                I also have a very respectful attitude towards Heydar Alievich

                Thanks for the kind words

                Forgive me, but right now you can observe in all its glory the economic consequences of the "War of the Three Eights" for Georgia ... There, in some regions, famine began. And NATO was planning another "Storm in the Glass" ... And Saakashvili, by the way, is from a good Gebul family ... The times of the Chernomyrdins, Yeltsins and Lukashenko are long gone!
                Sincerely
      2. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 13 October 2020 12: 49
        -2
        Quote: MTN
        This is a direct path to the 3rd World War.


        Don't make people laugh. Because of you, there will definitely not be a third world war. In the worst case, Russia + Greece + Egypt + France against Turkey ...
        1. MTN
          MTN 13 October 2020 14: 55
          0
          Quote: Cyril G ...
          Russia + Greece + Egypt + France vs Turkey ...

          And Pakistan? And Afghanistan? Where did the Syrians go?))))))))
          1. Cyril G ...
            Cyril G ... 13 October 2020 15: 02
            -2
            Pakistan knits tightly India. He will not move anywhere. And the Syrians, on the sly, will clean out Idlib from the Turks. And then there is Iran. Look for yourself at first who the "friend Recep" got into for the last couple of years, then object. Recep is not an ally, but a walking problem, moreover, without the advantages of a great power such as TNW. Moreover, it is quite understandable that with such a friendship, a part of the Az. elite and Aliyev personally are simply doomed, because the only acceptable option for Recep's friend is one people, one sultan, so that he does not speak in public.
  11. north 2
    north 2 13 October 2020 09: 15
    +1
    if Armenia still has not recognized Crimea as a part of Russia, has not supported the aspirations of the disunited peoples in the LPR and DPR, the way of life recognized as independent with the prospect of returning to the Russian state as a subject of Russia, then Armenia does not recognize NK as independent either.
    Although mostly Armenians live in NK, Pashinyan really wanted to sit on two chairs, and if Crimea and Donbass were recognized as independent, then the West would instantly
    will knock out one chair from under Pashinyan's sirloin and then have to sit on one Russian chair. The same will happen if Armenia recognizes the independence of NK. So even if not more. That is, if Pashinyan himself is not yet a project of the United States and the West on separating Armenia from Russia. But Turkey has now intervened in the matter, which now does not listen to either Washington or Brussels and Azerbaijan has launched an offensive just as if Ukraine would have begun to attack in Donbass if Erdogan would have seduced Zelensky to do so. So, would Russia then also not recognize the independence of the Republics of Donbass? Of course, Russia would then recognize the independence of Donbass, and would not do it only after the EU and the United States recognize Donbass as independent. So Pashinyan wants to eat the fish and sit on something. Let the West or Russia recognize the independence of NK, then Armenia will also recognize the independence of NK. And this bargaining, as in a bazaar, can be called caring for the Armenians in NK, when there is another way to save
    NK and Armenians there are not visible?
    Incidentally, the cunning Lukoshenko was sitting on these two chairs. And even when now Russia has actually saved him and Belarus, even now
    Lukashenka is in no hurry to recognize Crimea as part of Russia. But maybe then, if he admitted, maybe then Pashinyan would have become bolder, although
    where is Pashinyan's courage and independence, if the Washington Regional Committee put him in the chair of the Prime Minister of Armenia ...
  12. Observer2014
    Observer2014 13 October 2020 09: 28
    +3
    Azerbaijan may get protracted guerrilla war
    I am amazed at this opinion of experts. What do you get money for? Guerrilla warfare can only be where the local population will support the partisans. Armenians and Azerbaijanis hate each other fiercely. That some. That others will immediately clear out their controlled lands. They are Nazis and those others. .You even look at their educated part as watering each other. There, back in the 90s, Armenians played football with their heads. What Azerbaijanis. They still behave normally in Russia diluted by the local population. And there I imagine. First they do. Then they do. think.
    1. MTN
      MTN 13 October 2020 10: 00
      +2
      Quote: Observer2014
      They are the ones in Russia who behave normally, diluted by the local population. And there I imagine. First they do it, then they think.


      “Your Majesty, under no circumstances let the Armenians settle
      in the central Russian lands. This is the kind that, having lived there
      for several decades, will announce to the whole world that these are their ancestral lands.

      A.S. Griboyedov.

      Azerbaijan is already reaping the fruits of the Russian-Persian war.
    2. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 13 October 2020 15: 08
      0
      Quote: Observer2014
      Guerrilla warfare can only be where the local population will support the guerrillas.


      Rather, it should be about a continuous war of small units and hunting teams in the border area, with all the delights of this process., Fortunately, it will not work to close the border tightly.
  13. Gardamir
    Gardamir 13 October 2020 09: 46
    -1
    99% of the population of Karabakh are Armenians. If you give Karabakh to Azerbaijan, then all Armenians will be evicted.
    What kind of conflict resolution is this?
    1. MTN
      MTN 13 October 2020 10: 16
      +2
      Quote: Gardamir
      99% of the population of Karabakh are Armenians. If you give Karabakh to Azerbaijan, then all Armenians will be evicted. What kind of conflict resolution is this?

      And what about the Azerbaijani population of Karabakh? Don't they count? Or should they always live with REFUGE status? And they are far from few.
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 13 October 2020 10: 20
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        Less than one percent.
        1. MTN
          MTN 13 October 2020 10: 43
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          Quote: Gardamir
          Less than one percent.

          And what is so much for the indigenous population? It was necessary at once 0.000001% In the course you listened to the data on the population of Azerbaijanis in Karabakh in the Armenian radio.
          43000 lived in Karabakh alone. (Azerbaijanis) further plus + residents of 7 districts.
        2. icant007
          icant007 13 October 2020 10: 45
          0
          In 1988 it was 125 to 40 or 120 to 45 in favor of the Armenians. I do not remember exactly.
  14. Revival
    Revival 13 October 2020 10: 13
    0
    "If from the seven regions and NKR mentioned above, the Armenian civilian population has to flee after the entry of Azerbaijani troops there (and the probability of this is quite high), then Azerbaijan can get a protracted partisan war."

    It seems that one contradicts the other.
    What is a guerrilla war without a loyal population?
  15. MKPU-115
    MKPU-115 13 October 2020 10: 55
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    Quote: MTN
    OK. Azerbaijan agrees. Then let the corridor be given from Armenia to Nakhichevan.

    Take it if you have enough health.
  16. MKPU-115
    MKPU-115 13 October 2020 11: 02
    +1
    Quote: Alena-Baku
    When Soviet troops entered Berlin, everyone suddenly became anti-fascists

    You don't know the story well. The murders of Soviet soldiers and officers continued in Berlin until 1946, and near Kaliningrad the last saboteurs were neutralized in the 1950s.
    But this does not threaten the Azerbaijanis, you will cut out all the Armenians who do not run away, and there will be no one to partisan.
  17. border
    border 13 October 2020 12: 17
    +1
    [quote = Observer2014] [quote] Azerbaijan can get a protracted guerrilla war [/ quote] I am amazed at this opinion of experts. What do you get money for? Guerrilla war can only be where the local population will support the partisans. Armenians and Azerbaijanis hate each other fiercely .What some. That others will immediately clean up their controlled lands. They are Nazis and those others. You even look at their educated part as watering each other. There, back in the 90s, Armenians played football with their heads. That Azerbaijanis. They are still with us. in Russia, they behave normally, diluted by the local population. And there I imagine. First they do. Then they think
    Unfortunately, in the late 80s, early 90s, as soon as the conflict subsided, immediately in newspapers, TV and so on, there were reports, speeches of "the creative elite, scientists, etc.", inciting conflict and hatred, both in one republic, that in another.
  18. Whirlwind
    Whirlwind 13 October 2020 15: 43
    0
    Recognized Karabakh, not recognized - this is not essential, since it was formed by Armenian separatists on the territory of Azerbaijan. But Armenia and Azerbaijan themselves are separatist phenomena, as they are the result of the UNLAWFUL collapse of the USSR in 1991.
    According to the results of WWII, there were none within the borders of states established by the world community. There was the USSR!
    After the ILLEGAL collapse of the USSR, all of its republics, maybe with the exception of the Russian Federation, since it is the successor of the USSR, are in fact a wild field and a prize for the strong and arrogant of this world. The division and wars will not prevail until the completely trampled international law, which was confirmed and enshrined in Helsinki in 1975, triumphs. In the international legal field, namely, "the consolidation of the political and territorial results of the Second World War, a statement of the principles of mutual relations between the participating states, including the PRINCIPLE of the inviolability of borders; territorial integrity of states; non-interference in the internal affairs of foreign states."
    The way out for all parts of the "collapsed" Union is not to be gobbled up - to gather again into a single Union, the only way the world can avoid a thermonuclear war, which is kindled by the "winners" of the USSR.
    1. Scorpio05
      Scorpio05 13 October 2020 18: 50
      -1
      Quote: Whirlwind
      Recognized Karabakh, not recognized - this is not essential, since it was formed by Armenian separatists on the territory of Azerbaijan. But Armenia and Azerbaijan themselves are separatist phenomena, as they are the result of the UNLAWFUL collapse of the USSR in 1991.
      According to the results of WWII, there were none within the borders of states established by the world community. There was the USSR!
      After the ILLEGAL collapse of the USSR, all of its republics, maybe with the exception of the Russian Federation, since it is the successor of the USSR, are in fact a wild field and a prize for the strong and arrogant of this world. The division and wars will not prevail until the completely trampled international law, which was confirmed and enshrined in Helsinki in 1975, triumphs. In the international legal field, namely, "the consolidation of the political and territorial results of the Second World War, a statement of the principles of mutual relations between the participating states, including the PRINCIPLE of the inviolability of borders; territorial integrity of states; non-interference in the internal affairs of foreign states."
      The way out for all parts of the "collapsed" Union is not to be gobbled up - to gather again into a single Union, the only way the world can avoid a thermonuclear war, which is kindled by the "winners" of the USSR.

      And this is for the late B. Yeltsin and Mikhal Sergeevich, and the documents signed in Belovezhskaya Pushcha. In Azerbaijan, a referendum a little earlier recorded a record 90% for the preservation of the USSR.
      1. Whirlwind
        Whirlwind 14 October 2020 11: 00
        -1
        To our great regret, then in 1991 the Soviet people, who voted overwhelmingly "FOR" the preservation of the USSR, voted in fact for its collapse.
        Here is the text of the bulletin ... Read carefully this Jesuit casuistry.
        "Do you consider it necessary to preserve the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics as a renewed federation of equal sovereign republics, in which the rights and freedoms of a person of any nationality will be fully guaranteed ”.
        "Yes or no".

        In fact, millions of Soviet people then voted not for the UNION (federation in Latin is a union), as a UNIFIED Union STATE, which was at that time the USSR, but for the renewed to the degree of equal rights (i.e. there is NO Moscow as a center of power!) SOVEREIGNS (i.e., independent from anyone, namely, from the former union center of Moscow) REPUBLIC i.e. already states (in place of the former ONE! Union State of the USSR).
        But the Union of Sovereign Republics did not work out either. The United States and England, as the winners in XB, quickly took everyone away to the national apartments and began to rob, as befits the winners ...
        http://i.mycdn.me/i?r=AzEPZsRbOZEKgBhR0XGMT1RkspbOACwbQH0gGeQk-HGWXaaKTM5SRkZCeTgDn6uOyic
        "War is the art of deception"
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  20. Scorpio05
    Scorpio05 13 October 2020 18: 44
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    Quote: tihonmarine
    Quote: Ulrih
    so that each of the parties would get at least something, and you are all about the fact that only Azerbaijan has rights.

    There is no right or wrong here. Dumb witnesses of this, temples. There are Armenian churches. Karabakh is one of the rare beauty pearls of religious architecture in the entire Caucasus. The first mention of the holy monastery dates back to the 10th century, but the oldest church that has survived to this day was built on the ruins of an even more ancient cathedral in 1216-1238. Prince Asan Jalal Vakhtangyan. The Muslim religion came to Nagorno-Karabakh together with the Arab conquerors in the XNUMXth century. Then Persia established itself here. The Armenians and Azerbaijanis did not live easily, but they found common ground, and now everything went to pieces, and it seems they will never stop.


    In general, Armenians are not Orthodox, but Monophysites, that is, heretics according to the Orthodox tradition.
    All ancient monasteries and churches in Karabakh, which was part of Caucasian Albania (and not Armenia) including. the Gandzasar monastery, and others, were built by the Arshakids - the Parthians, the Iranian conquerors of the Albanians. The first to start building was the Parthian king Urnair I Arshakid. Even Gregory the Illuminator aka Grigory Partav i.e. The Parthian - the high priest of Albania was from the Arshakids. The Parthians and their subjects the Albanians had nothing to do with the Armenians. And after the appearance of the Arabs, the Armenians, with the help of the Arabs, began to take over the Orthodox Albanian monasteries and turn them into their own Monophysite temples.
    1. N.Ya.Marr once also noted that Albania with the help of the Arab caliphs “became the property of the anti-Chalcedonian church of Armenia.
    Source: Marr N.Ya. Arkan, the Mongol name for Christians in connection with the question of the Khalkedonite Armenians. Byzantine Calendar, 1906.v.13, p. 7.

    2. And this is Professor Suren Yeremyan: "Destroying the literary monuments of Albania and its Church, the Armenian clergymen previously translated them into a grabar, making appropriate adjustments."
    Source: See S.T. Yeremyan. Ideology and culture of Albania III-VIII centuries. M., 1958, p. 329.

    3. Academician I.P. Petrushevsky wrote: "that the Armenian Church in Albania" served as a weapon for the Armenization of the country. This role becomes especially noticeable from the beginning of the VIII century, after the overthrow of the Albanian Catholicos-Chalcedonite Nerses (Bakur) by the Armenian Monophysite Catholicos Ilia with the assistance of Caliph and after the suppression of the Chalcedonian movement in Albania by the Monophysite Armenophiles, which reflected the desire of some of the clergy and princes to defend the independence of the Albanian Church. "
    Source: Petrushevsky I.P. Essays on the history of feudal relations in Azerbaijan and Armenia in the 1949th - early 28th centuries. - L., XNUMX .-- S. XNUMX .:

    4. The first president of the Academy of Sciences of Armenia, famous Armenian historian, academician I.A. Orbeli wrote: “Today's Nagorno-Karabakh was part of medieval Albania, and later was captured by Armenian feudal lords” (IA Orbeli “Selected Works.” Yerevan, 1963)
    Well, the Monophysites captured the Armenian feudal lords then Karabakh (and with the help of the Arab invaders (to whom the Armenians denounced the Orthodox Diophysites of the Albanians) But then the Azerbaijani feudal lords came in the same Middle Ages, defeated the Byzantines in Asia Minor - the masters of the Armenians, who enslaved the Armenians even earlier, and took possession of all these lands from Byzantium to Iran. So the Middle Ages, everywhere it was and everyone did it. Vae Victis ...
    Now, the Armenians grew with the help. do the armies want to go back in a time machine?)) Those Arabs are gone)
    1. nobody75
      nobody75 13 October 2020 19: 53
      0
      And also Nerses Lombardov invited to Italy ... Than he finally finished off the Western Empire.
      Thus, the "Black Cause" of the collapse of the Roman Empire was not without Armenians!
      You blame them for this!
      I have already written that the local militia successfully dealt with the "Armenian separatism" in Karabakh until the end of the 80s. There was a joke in the party leadership of Azerbaijan about Karabakh: "In Azerbaijan, each region has its own specialization. Someone has oil production, someone has industry. And most of our singers are from Nagorno-Karabakh."
      And you tell me about the thousand-year conflict ...
      Sincerely
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  21. Scorpio05
    Scorpio05 13 October 2020 18: 47
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    Quote: tihonmarine
    Quote: Ulrih
    so that each of the parties would get at least something, and you are all about the fact that only Azerbaijan has rights.

    There is no right or wrong here. Dumb witnesses of this, temples. There are Armenian churches. Karabakh is one of the rare beauty pearls of religious architecture in the entire Caucasus. The first mention of the holy monastery dates back to the 10th century, but the oldest church that has survived to this day was built on the ruins of an even more ancient cathedral in 1216-1238. Prince Asan Jalal Vakhtangyan. The Muslim religion came to Nagorno-Karabakh together with the Arab conquerors in the XNUMXth century. Then Persia established itself here. The Armenians and Azerbaijanis did not live easily, but they found common ground, and now everything went to pieces, and it seems they will never stop.

    By the way, do you want to know how the Armenians converted the Orthodox Albanian churches in Karabakh (Albania) into their Monophysite ones? Approximately how they treated the Georgians ...
    “Akaki Tsereteli was outraged by the ingratitude of the Armenians, as he said:“ Out of pity the Georgian kings settled Armenians in different parts of Georgia as merchants, they were also provided with cities. The Georgians fought against numerous conquerors, and when tired, exhausted, wounded returned home, they were surprised to find that their houses were occupied by their Armenian brothers. And instead of apologizing, they shouted loudly: “Who are you, where did you come from? When did you live here? This land has always been ours! " For proof, they pointed to Georgian churches and monasteries, where Georgian inscriptions were erased, and instead of them Armenian ones were inserted. "
    Source: A. Tsereteli. Selected works. T., IV, Tb., 1990, p. 170. (Into cargo language).
  22. Scorpio05
    Scorpio05 13 October 2020 21: 04
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    Quote: nobody75
    And also Nerses Lombardov invited to Italy ... Than he finally finished off the Western Empire.
    Thus, the "Black Cause" of the collapse of the Roman Empire was not without Armenians!
    You blame them for this!
    I have already written that the local militia successfully dealt with the "Armenian separatism" in Karabakh until the end of the 80s. There was a joke in the party leadership of Azerbaijan about Karabakh: "In Azerbaijan, each region has its own specialization. Someone has oil production, someone has industry. And most of our singers are from Nagorno-Karabakh."
    And you tell me about the thousand-year conflict ...
    Sincerely

    So I am not accusing you of anything. What do I want?) For what I bought, for what I sell. The statements of the learned men above define these things.
    Sincerely .
    1. nobody75
      nobody75 13 October 2020 21: 44
      -1
      Let's try together to predict how the pundits of the future will describe the reasons for the "Warrior of the Karabakh Franchise" ....
      The main reason for all the Karabakh wars was the love of the Great House of Aliyevs for "macroeconomic ikebana". Each Lesser Great House or Organized Crime Clan was allocated a region or a whole area of ​​the economy (on the scale of Azerbaijan) for feeding with clearly defined regional or sectoral boundaries. Looking at the 2020 war from this perspective, the "strange" course of hostilities becomes easy to understand.
      The COVID epidemic has led to a contraction of the export - oriented economy of Azerbaijan and a reduction in the incomes of the Great Houses, which in turn led to the competition between them, so unloved by the Aliyevs. More frequent cases of violation of the "Sukharev Convention", as well as the impoverishment of the people pushed Ilham Aliyev to an ancient and proven solution - a small victorious war. At the expense of the blitzkrieg, Aliyev-the Younger hoped to rally the people around the national leader, raise the authority of the army in the community and threaten the "violators" with military force.

      Sincerely
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  24. Scorpio05
    Scorpio05 13 October 2020 21: 59
    +1
    Quote: nobody75
    Let's try together to predict how the pundits of the future will describe the reasons for the "Warrior of the Karabakh Franchise" ....
    The main reason for all the Karabakh wars was the love of the Great House of Aliyevs for "macroeconomic ikebana". Each Lesser Great House or Organized Crime Clan was allocated a region or a whole area of ​​the economy (on the scale of Azerbaijan) for feeding with clearly defined regional or sectoral boundaries. Looking at the 2020 war from this perspective, the "strange" course of hostilities becomes easy to understand.
    The COVID epidemic has led to a contraction of the export - oriented economy of Azerbaijan and a reduction in the incomes of the Great Houses, which in turn led to the competition between them, so unloved by the Aliyevs. More frequent cases of violation of the "Sukharev Convention", as well as the impoverishment of the people pushed Ilham Aliyev to an ancient and proven solution - a small victorious war. At the expense of the blitzkrieg, Aliyev-the Younger hoped to rally the people around the national leader, raise the authority of the army in the community and threaten the "violators" with military force.

    Sincerely

    Write nonsense. Not just commenting, even reading this nonsense of yours.
    1. nobody75
      nobody75 13 October 2020 22: 02
      0
      Once you quote, it means you have read it ...
      Can you give any objections?
      Sincerely
  25. Scorpio05
    Scorpio05 13 October 2020 22: 01
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    Quote: Cyril G ...
    Judging by how the Azerbaijani army is going, it will definitely remain without personnel

    100 people just before the start of hostilities? Can't you dream in public?)
    1. nobody75
      nobody75 13 October 2020 22: 17
      0
      Well, let's not dream ... Let's guess on the map!

      Do you think it is possible to keep Talysh and Madagiz if the Armenians establish fire control over the Tartar gorge? How to organize the supply of the grouping in the south without capturing Fizuli?
      If the supply issues are not resolved before winter, I am afraid to return to the original ...
      Sincerely
      1. nobody75
        nobody75 13 October 2020 22: 40
        -1
        In the meantime, you are bogged down under Hadrut. The vicious practice of storming cities without completely encircling them continues ...
        You will simply have nothing to attack Fuzuli at this pace. According to Vestnik Mordovii, you have no more than 100 modern tanks left.
        Sincerely
        1. nobody75
          nobody75 13 October 2020 22: 46
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          Can't you see! If you do not take Fizuli within a week, thereby covering communications, the Armenian DRGs will saddle them again and you will need a truce again in order to bring provisions and ammunition to the southern cauldron.
          Sincerely
          1. nobody75
            nobody75 13 October 2020 23: 10
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            I'm wondering if anyone is covering the border with Russia now?
            The temptation is great ...
  26. iouris
    iouris 13 October 2020 23: 34
    0
    There is only one option that is "civilized": the unification of all these failstates into a large state. There are two options: with the capital in Ankara or in Moscow. All other options are associated with genocide.
    1. Cottager452
      Cottager452 14 October 2020 10: 43
      0
      You think in terms of the era of colonialism, and in the modern world there is a concept of spheres of influence, when the state remains formally independent and its security
      guaranteed by other countries.
      By the right of the strong, Russia, the United States, or even China can be such for Armenia.