In India: China has deployed S-400s in southern Tibet, we need to get Russia to accelerate the supply of air defense weapons

The Indian media released material stating that with the use of modern air defense systems, China has an advantage at the borders with India. In an article in the Hindustan Times, the author writes that the Chinese armed forces have deployed S-400 Triumph anti-aircraft missile systems, supplied from Russia, in southern Tibet.

Indian Press Says Chinese Troops Can Track Flights aviation Indian Air Force in the border areas.

We will remind that earlier on "Voennoye Obozreniye" there was a material in which it was told about an interview with an Indian military pilot piloting a MiG-29 fighter. The Indian pilot announced the complete readiness of equipment and personnel for the winter period of patrolling in the Ladakh region. This is a disputed region on the borders of India and China, to which significant forces and means of two armies of nuclear powers have been pulled together recently.

In the Indian press:

We need to seek from Russia to accelerate the supply of the previously contracted S-400 air defense systems, so that parity with China is restored. Due to the pandemic, deliveries may be delayed, but India should not be allowed to, because this cannot but affect our security.

Earlier, Washington dissuaded India from acquiring the S-400 from Russia and even threatened to impose sanctions from the CAATSA package. However, after numerous negotiations and the signing of Indian-American military-technical contracts, American pressure eased somewhat.

Comments

[nnm]

We need to seek from Russia to accelerate the supply of previously contracted S-400 air defense systems

Pay money for the speed of order execution and you will be happy ...

Earlier, Washington dissuaded India from acquiring the S-400

Has it come to that you need to listen to what the US advises, and do exactly the opposite? Well, it's good that, although it's late, it came ...
In other matters, too ...

[Doccor18]

Two "superpowers" are ringing with weapons, with one MiG-29, with the other Su-30, and soon from both S-400-Triumph. The triumph of the Soviet-Russian military-industrial complex and the prematureness of epithets about the "superpower" of some countries ...

[Grandfather]

two nuclear countries are rattling their weapons, and we have to indulge both because of the "partnership", tin, but the situation is a dead end, if not us, then the states will fit ... oh times ... oh manners ...!

[Doccor18]

... and because of the "partnership" we have to indulge both, tin ...

It is not necessary to indulge, but to use ... the situation to your advantage.

[rocket757]

What is the strategic importance of a pass there ??? Both powers are not small, there are enough problems within themselves, each has enough ..... what is it, an exhaust valve to relieve stress ???

[viktor_ui]

I have a question ... apparently to the Indians I remember the joint training sessions of Indian dryers and American eagles, where it was often beautifully sung how the dryers beat the opposite side into the tail and mane. I'll put a box of cognac, if now there are no joint similar games ... but with the use of the S-400. Test it, I don’t want to ... At the Greeks, the S-300 was driven in the tail and mane during training. Chatter about the characteristics allegedly cut off by the most candelabra (such as concern for national security) - throw it in the trash. I am more than sure that the S-400 of Turkey is also used by engineers from the United States in all holes and holes (and they do it right, damn it, because you have to be a complete idiot not to take advantage of such opportunities from the traders of our defense industry ... although what is ours, she is their property ) An example of the defeat of the S-300 complex in Armenia is one of the clearest proofs of such trade and profit on it. So I'm wondering which of the buyers of NATO-type weapons suits us like this ??? Is there a precedent? Joint ship maneuvers with Ebipt and others like that ... omit

[Flurry]

You use American computers both in the tail and in the mane ... Much advanced in the study of the OS source code and CPU microcode?
SAMs and radars are at least as good as American engineers do, so draw your own conclusions ..

[Winnie76]

Quote: viktor_ui

It is used by engineers from the United States in all holes and holes (and they are doing it right, damn it, because you have to be a complete idiot not to take advantage of such opportunities from the traders of our defense industry ...

Do I understand correctly, the S-400 should not be sold? Are you seriously? All countries are tearing each other with their teeth for the arms market, and you propose to trade something like the S-200? Well, not if we want to ditch our own military-industrial complex ...

[venik]

Quote: viktor_ui

Chatter about the characteristics allegedly cut off by the most candelabra (such as concern for national security) - throw it in the trash. ... because you need to be a complete idiot so as not to take advantage of such opportunities from the traders of our defense industry ...

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What a hysteria early in the morning!
Let's start with what is therecut off"and what is" added "and what changed"compared to the" original "- you DON'T KNOW in the same way as those who are buys и uses! But the fact that export systems DIFFER from those that are used with us - this is a FACT. What - how much and in what? This is for you unknown!
Therefore, let's do without hysterics!

[viktor_ui]

All three answers are PAST in terms of my question ... and I will try to explain to each of the three based on your answers to me:
1- for Rafale (Valera) - for me, as an administrator, the source code in prots and controllers is up to one place and what exactly was written before compiling the software - I hope you understand me, because I am most interested in the provided POSSIBILITIES OF IRON + SOFTWARE to a heap (in order shooting, I don't have to be a gunsmith) ... well, how competently I will dispose of everything will depend only on me and who is with me, and I am aware that they have SAM and RADARS EXACTLY no worse, but
by the number of simultaneously processed channels, so finally can be out of competition because they did not have at one time a bald moron who declared cybernetics a prostitute of imperialism. I study the possibilities of the available CURRENT hardware and software + applied application of the knowledge gained and as a result I have a stable developed system.
2- Vinny76 (Alexander) ... you did not understand the question I asked and he did not particularly relate to the facts of the sale of this or that weapon ... and my question was accentuated in terms of such a one-sided sale and use of advanced samples to everyone in fact (for example, the sale of the Chrysanthemum complex) M. Gaddafi just before his fall ... for such quirks of our state-traders remind me of a penalty kick at their own gates. At NATO and US training grounds, our equipment was simply piled up for research, and we see the result on the example of Karabakh - why don't I understand about the state trade, because this is a business and nothing personal? Where is the feedback ... there is none and will not be in terms of mutual study of advanced weapons. Well, as a result, such an imbalance will be paid for with the blood of ordinary servicemen, and not those who sold. I don't like this alignment ... but you?
3 - venik (Vladimir) - finally I don’t believe that the samples sold over the hill have Worse characteristics and range of equipment than those that our army men have .... the buyer will definitely not buy cut off illiquid assets, and especially against the background of competition of the offered samples by opponents. Rumor has it that a distant arm was sold to Turkey for the S-400, which they themselves only began to supply to the troops. Well, well ... but hysterics at mnu 0 is a statement of another fact simply and a legitimate question asked.

[venik]

Quote: viktor_ui

to me, as an administrator, to one place the source code in prots and controllers and what exactly was written before compiling the software - I hope you understand me, because I am most interested in the provided POSSIBILITIES OF IRON + SOFTWARE to a heap

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AND WHO told you that the "POSSIBILITIES OF IRON + SOFTWARE" there (in export systems) exactly the sameas in the "originals" (for "internal consumption")? Why then were created and are being created EXPORT systems: ("Square" (from "Cuba"), "Pechora" (from "Neva"), etc., etc.? By the way, the same "Pechors" (export version of "Neva") were already several options: for "friends in the ATS, for" allies "and for the" third world "(where they (with a high degree of probability) could fall into the" playful hands "of our" sworn well-wishers)!
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Quote: viktor_ui

I don’t have to be a gunsmith to shoot effectively

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Uh-huh! It is enough to learn how to play "doom" or other "shooters" (many "sysadmins" love to have fun with this!
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Quote: viktor_ui

and my question was emphasized in terms of a one-sided sale and use of advanced samples to everyone in fact

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Well yes! For example, the Chinese received the S-300 PMU1 and PMU-2 ..... And copy it fully and couldn't ... Their HQ-9 and HQ-9B cannot compete with the "three hundred" equally!
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Quote: viktor_ui

venik (Vladimir) - finally I don’t believe that the samples sold over the hill have Worse characteristics and range of equipment than those that our army men have ...

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Firstly - I DON'T CARE if you believe me there or not! Secondly: I DIDN'T SAY that it is necessary "worse" (general TTX there usually -comparable). Just our - a little OTHER! And therefore - pick "export" systems - as much as you like: to develop an effective system suppression "our" it will not help much!
About "copy" - it's difficult! In different countries - the standards are different! And this is obviously a losing business - while you "copy" - the manufacturer will go ahead. And as the technique is more and more complicated, copying takes more and more time ...
You can, of course, "peep" some original solutions .... But!

[viktor_ui]

don't spit dear, you will splash Your answers are boring. Good luck.

[d4rkmesa]

And where did you get the idea that everything is identical there? Judging by the fact that those who in the topic mention about the placers of FPGAs in the S-400, almost every copy there can be unique. I think each "native" version is different from another or Russian.

[viktor_ui]

Interestingly, if each instance is unique, then where will you recruit unique specialists for their technological maintenance with a unique and reimbase ... the concept of lack of unification is synonymous - brakes were invented by panties: laughing A product activation code may be unique with its binding to critical nodes for operability in the element base.

[d4rkmesa]

Nothing prevents you from servicing with blocks and repair kits. At the block level, the functionality can be identical in purpose, but work in different ways, not only at the software level, but also "in hardware", thanks to the use of FPGAs. Use slightly different frequencies, algorithms.

[viktor_ui]

I understand what it is: a data exchange bus, what an open architecture is needed for and what a stripped-down or shared software is ... all this simply must be in modern weapons, especially in air defense systems, which allows the use of the LEGO principle (in the distant In 74, my uncle brought me this designer from the GDR, only it was called differently) in terms of building the desired configuration of the product. But this does not make it fundamentally unique and one party is unlikely to be RADICALLY different from another if they are of the same nomenclature.

[d4rkmesa]

You are pulling your imagination towards a system whose architecture you do not know. I am just saying that FPGAs are not accidentally used there in bulk, this allows you to more flexibly manage the architecture at the "hardware" level, to implement different functionality for each batch. What is really there - they will not tell you and me. About open architecture - well, it's so-so. The Su-30SM can launch some Indian and French-made missiles. Do we or the French need it? I doubt it. Now everyone is trying to sell weapons in the complex.

[viktor_ui]

Do you know what a RIC basket is? For what purposes does it serve and what affects the efficiency of changing its configuration ... ??? I think not, but this does not bother me, I think that you too ... evaluate the possibilities of effectively changing the available hardware architecture (I gave you information from the shaggy 90s, but the essence has not changed from this) ... And yes, the presence of an open architecture + the flexibility of the data exchange bus - there is a basis for the efficiency of the upgrade according to the current temporary call (if your percentage is outdated, then when you try to pour software of the next technological order, you will get a donut hole in terms of supporting outdated hardware )
And yet, the possibility of unification of products from different manufacturers of combat systems, in my mind, there is an unconditional bonus when selling it (well, like, as I can understand some languages ​​of "nonresident", and the scan-bus understands the received exchange command code - you will definitely agree that's a bonus). True, all this has an effect in the presence of NORMAL international cooperation

[silverwolf88]

when the dances end and the euphoria of one's own greatness descends ... the time for pragmatic thoughts and actions comes ... and about Heaven ... it becomes clear that there is simply no alternative to Russian-made air defense systems ... on this cheerful note again music and drums and years of that five multi-storey tender procedures ...

[Guru]

Did the Roast Rooster peck?

[Mountain shooter]

Buy, buy ... we still have the S-500 on the series ... so we will saturate our air defense faster. For urgency, if you please add ... From ourselves we open ...

[Vitaly Tsymbal]

India, with its "dances with songs" to American country music, drove itself into an "awkward position" ... If anyone remembers when they talked about the S 400 in Russia, they first of all emphasized that the possession of such complexes would not allow the opposing sides to commit acts of unpunished aggression, but for some reason the world did not hear it, but raised a "commercial noise" and accusations of aggression ...

[rotmistr60]

Due to the pandemic, shipments may be delayed, but India this should not be allowed

India's impatience is understandable, but how will this (delay in deliveries) be avoided? Will they send their "specialists" to help Russian defense enterprises or will they trample finished products on their backs into their country? Strange formulation of the question.