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"In combat condition, but on an auto platform": the work of the Pantsir air defense missile system in Libya is discussed on the network

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"In combat condition, but on an auto platform": the work of the Pantsir air defense missile system in Libya is discussed on the network

A video appeared on the network that attracted the special attention of military experts and ordinary users interested in military topics. The post appeared on the Twitter account of Ouais Hasari. The video publication is accompanied by a text stating that what is happening on the video was filmed in Libya.


The footage captures the Pantsir anti-aircraft missile-gun system (ZRPK), which, according to the caption to the video, the United Arab Emirates supplied the Libyan National Army (LNA). Recall that the commander of the Libyan National Army is Marshal Khalifa Haftar.

It is reported that the shooting was made in the area of ​​El Jufra.

Attention is drawn to the fact that the "Pantsir" air defense missile system is on a wheeled vehicle platform and at the same time is in a combat state. In this regard, questions arose, why did you need to bring the air defense system into combat condition, if it did not even have time to move off the tractor platform?


In this regard, numerous assumptions are expressed: from the fact that the representatives of the UAE thus decided to show "the goods with their face" (before the complex was accepted by Haftar's troops) to a more prosaic one - the complex had to be put on alert during transportation due to the difficult air situation.

The situation for Haftar's troops was really tense two or three months ago, when the phase of the armed conflict was at its most acute. Turkey decided in military and military-technical terms to support the troops of the Government of National Unity (PNU) Fayez Sarraj. One of the types of assistance is drone strikes on LNA positions and equipment. Turkish "Bayraktars" then inflicted hefty damage to the LNA, including damage in the "Shells".

One of the comments to the publication with the video is noteworthy:

I hope they still find the right people trained to use it. It is useless without skills and abilities.
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  1. zxc15682
    zxc15682 12 October 2020 18: 28 New
    -7
    It looks like the guns are superfluous for him .. There is not enough overview.
    1. Maz
      Maz 12 October 2020 18: 32 New
      11
      And there is a sense. If the complex is immediately combat-ready and can beat on the move and on the move from this tractor bandura, and we save the motor resource. And the time for deployment and firing is reduced. He is already in a combat position - start the engines and work from the platform. The only question is whether it can? And could he. If so, then this is a breakthrough in combat use. Well done Arabs.
      1. Angestyr
        Angestyr 12 October 2020 18: 46 New
        11
        But interestingly, it will not tip over when firing cannons at an angle of more than 45 to the longitudinal axis of the tractor?


        1. Airdefense
          Airdefense 12 October 2020 19: 19 New
          +7
          Here is the answer whether the Shell needs guns to combat the UAV, and it was also a "training" UAV.
          1. Dimon Dimonov_2
            Dimon Dimonov_2 13 October 2020 15: 22 New
            -4
            With such a cheap homom, Ukrainians set fire to grass in the LDNR ... a couple or three grenades and nothing else will take ... and why shoot at sparrows with a cannon !? You need at least 200-300 kg
        2. Lopatov
          Lopatov 12 October 2020 19: 47 New
          +3
          Quote: Angestyr
          But interestingly, it will not tip over when firing cannons at an angle of more than 45 to the longitudinal axis of the tractor?

          This one is not. They say he was even tested for firing guns on the move.
          1. Angestyr
            Angestyr 12 October 2020 21: 29 New
            +9
            I mean when he stands on the platform of the tractor. The center of gravity shifts upward to the platform height, plus the swinging of the tractor platform when firing.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 12 October 2020 21: 32 New
              +5
              Quote: Angestyr
              I mean when he stands on the platform of the tractor.

              With a high probability it will fall. But he can use rockets
          2. Bad_gr
            Bad_gr 12 October 2020 23: 00 New
            +3
            Quote: Spade
            This one is not. They say he was even tested for firing guns on the move.

            On the MAN chassis, it can shoot cannons right off the bat (such information came across), from KAMAZ - no, since it sways strongly when firing.
      2. venik
        venik 12 October 2020 20: 39 New
        0
        Quote: Maz
        And there is a sense. If the complex is immediately combat-ready and can beat on the move and on the move from this tractor bandura, and we save the motor resource.

        ======
        Yes, no-ee! Everything is simpler - their MAN is broken off and there is no one to fix it! Or there are no spare parts! So they are pulling through the desert on a trailer (until either a craftsman "is found, or spare parts)! laughing lol
      3. yehat2
        yehat2 14 October 2020 12: 17 New
        0
        Quote: Maz
        and we save the motor resource

        and the point of saving it? the shell is on the truck, not on the tracks.
    2. Civil
      Civil 12 October 2020 19: 59 New
      -1
      Hmm, most likely due to = lack of auxiliary installation
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 12 October 2020 21: 38 New
        +2
        Quote: Civil
        Hmm, most likely due to = lack of auxiliary installation


        What then is a BOT module?
  2. Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 12 October 2020 18: 29 New
    +2
    Is the engine jammed?
    1. Megatron
      Megatron 12 October 2020 19: 11 New
      -1
      There seems to be no auxiliary engine for the operation of a separate installation, as on a truck crane. Therefore, it will not last 5 minutes on batteries.
  3. rocket757
    rocket757 12 October 2020 18: 31 New
    +3
    You can create fully automated systems, BUT, the military decided to leave the last point, the decision for the person.
    So far, at least, this point is adhered to, and then who knows how it will go.
    1. chingachguc
      chingachguc 13 October 2020 00: 40 New
      +2
      and then we will get there slowly and until the day of judgment)
  4. Victorm
    Victorm 12 October 2020 18: 32 New
    0
    Quote: Pessimist22
    Is the engine jammed?

    I also think that most likely the problem is with the chassis.
  5. Observer2014
    Observer2014 12 October 2020 18: 32 New
    +6
    In this regard, questions arose, why did you need to bring the air defense system into combat condition, if it did not even have time to move off the tractor platform?
    Yes, anything. The chassis broke down on the truck on the basis of which the "Shell" was mounted. It seemed that they might be attacked. A lot of versions.
    I hope they still find the right people trained to use it. It is useless without skills and abilities.
    There is no arguing.
    1. Serg koma
      Serg koma 12 October 2020 20: 33 New
      +3
      Quote: Observer2014
      on the basis of which "Armor" is mounted.


      "Pantsir-C1" - in 2010-2013, 50 combat vehicles were delivered to the UAE, made on the chassis of the MAN SX45 (8x8) vehicle.
  6. BARKAS
    BARKAS 12 October 2020 18: 32 New
    0
    Yes, this is not to move out and then not to drive back, he was probably screwed there with a wire.
  7. svp67
    svp67 12 October 2020 19: 03 New
    +2
    In this regard, questions arose, why did you need to bring the air defense system into combat condition, if it did not even have time to move off the tractor platform?
    Is the base chassis malfunction considered?
    1. Alex_You
      Alex_You 13 October 2020 00: 36 New
      +1
      Then how would he get there.
      1. svp67
        svp67 13 October 2020 15: 17 New
        0
        Quote: Alex_You
        Then how would he get there.

        There are many options, well, in particular, they dragged them with the help of a winch, he could have dropped in himself, maybe he still has enough opportunities for this ...
  8. Megatron
    Megatron 12 October 2020 19: 10 New
    +2
    Hmm, a strange two-axle tractor, but with a 4x4 wheel formula, most likely.
    Looks like the new Tatras with a Dafa booth.
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  9. Alien From
    Alien From 12 October 2020 19: 23 New
    +2
    These guys didn't think about giving ...
    1. Pshelts
      Pshelts 12 October 2020 19: 48 New
      +1
      Quote: Alien From
      These guys didn't think about giving ...

      Well, "Shell" seems to work on the move to repel any threats on the way.
      So we drove it to the auto platform, to save money .. Still, the desert and heat affects our engine .. Well, inventors good hi
      1. Rusticolus
        Rusticolus 12 October 2020 20: 56 New
        +2
        and maybe even easier. there the war seems to be going on, and banal problems with fuel can become critical. what is, on that and rides.
    2. chingachguc
      chingachguc 13 October 2020 00: 41 New
      0
      these are Arabs)))
  10. Guards turn
    Guards turn 12 October 2020 19: 24 New
    +1
    The Pantsir-SM-SV anti-aircraft missile and cannon systems will go to the Ground Forces of the RF Armed Forces to protect the S-300V4 air defense systems. This was reported by Izvestia with reference to sources in the country's Defense Ministry.

    This type of "Carapace" is the latest modification of the anti-aircraft missile-cannon system, modified specifically for the Ground Forces.

    It is expected that the air defense missile systems will be covered by long-range S-300V4s from attacks by cruise missiles, small unmanned aerial vehicles and high-precision weapons. In addition, thanks to double-barreled cannons, they will be able to protect anti-aircraft missile systems in the event of an attack on marching columns and air defense positions of saboteurs.

    According to Izvestia, the Russian Defense Ministry ordered the creation of the Pantsir-SM-SV complex in December 2016. The development cost exceeded 1,3 billion rubles.

    At present, all the "Pantsiri" developed by the specialists of the Tula Instrument Engineering Design Bureau named after A.G. Shipunov, are supplied to the Aerospace Forces on a KamAZ wheeled chassis. The main difference of the development for the Ground Forces will be the installation of the Pantsir-SM combat module on a tracked chassis.

    In addition, the ZRPK received a new radar with an active phased array. For the complex, a hypersonic missile was increased, the maximum interception range increased from 20 to 40 kilometers.
    1. chingachguc
      chingachguc 13 October 2020 00: 42 New
      +1
      if he learns to shoot down maneuvering targets at 20 km, it's already good
  11. Pshelts
    Pshelts 12 October 2020 19: 44 New
    +1
    A video appeared on the network that attracted the special attention of military experts and ordinary users interested in military topics.

    Who love to water and troll all things Russian?
    Nothing unusual, everything is regular .. They probably take care of the chassis and do the right thing! It is not in vain that so many rebel vehicles have accumulated near the "Pantsir". wink
    1. Elturisto
      Elturisto 12 October 2020 20: 30 New
      -12 qualifying.
      Shit does not need to be poured with mud, it is and so shit. The KBP is completely crazy. To make large enough missiles in packages on a turntable together with stupidity in a cube. But for Rostec, everything gets away with it.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 12 October 2020 20: 44 New
        +4
        Quote: ElTuristo
        To make large enough missiles in packages on a turntable together with stupidity in a cube

        In fact, in world practice, this is more a rule than an exception. There are very few vertical launchers
        1. Elturisto
          Elturisto 13 October 2020 09: 32 New
          -2
          Oh, are there examples?
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 13 October 2020 09: 52 New
            +2
            Quote: ElTuristo
            Oh, are there examples?

            Gigantic amount
            1. Elturisto
              Elturisto 13 October 2020 10: 02 New
              -1
              No guns visible in the photo
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 13 October 2020 10: 07 New
                +3
                And what have the guns here? You said about "sufficiently large missiles in packages on a turntable".
                Here are the most ...
                In general, if memory serves, there are only two short- and medium-range vertical launch systems outside of Russia, the French and South Koreans
      2. lucul
        lucul 12 October 2020 20: 44 New
        +2
        Shit does not need to be poured with mud, it is and so shit. The KBP is completely crazy. To make large enough missiles in packages on a turntable together with stupidity in a cube. But for Rostec, everything gets away with it.

        Does anyone have SOMETHING better? )))
        1. Elturisto
          Elturisto 13 October 2020 09: 34 New
          0
          Yes, there is no one who has sawing operators of such a level. There you need to set up a power plant so that the Pancerev shed can be rotated with the required angular velocity to turn the guns, it's still okay on a ship, but by car ...
          1. lucul
            lucul 13 October 2020 10: 13 New
            0
            Yes, there is no one who has sawmills of this level

            The Russian sawmills are miserable babies, compared to the amers - examples offhand - sawing the dough on the F-35 the whole program is more than $ 1 trillion, the destroyer Zumwalt is almost like an aircraft carrier at a cost, and at the exit it’s nothing, and so on ...
            There it is necessary to set up a power plant so that the pancerevsky shed can be turned at the required angular velocity to turn the cannons, it's still okay on a ship, but by car ...

            Pfff ... everything was calculated at the design stage, and everything is enough)))
            1. syndicalist
              syndicalist 13 October 2020 10: 52 New
              -3
              Quote: lucul
              Zumwalt cost almost like an aircraft carrier, and the output is zilch

              Zamvolt is primarily the development of new technologies and types of weapons. And what technologies in the antediluvian Carapace that Turkish drones crack like nuts?
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 13 October 2020 11: 14 New
                +3
                Quote: syndicalist
                And what technologies in the antediluvian Carapace that Turkish drones crack like nuts?

                Very fat trolling. 8)))) It seems that you get paid for the number of posts.
            2. Elturisto
              Elturisto 13 October 2020 13: 02 New
              0
              Yes, Americans are good teachers, well, they have independent media, competition, etc.
          2. Lopatov
            Lopatov 13 October 2020 10: 14 New
            +2
            Quote: ElTuristo
            Yes, there is no one who has sawing operators of such a level. There you need to set up a power plant so that the Pancerev shed can be rotated with the required angular velocity to turn the guns, it's still okay on a ship, but by car ...

            OTO Melara Draco

            By the way, one of the best ZAK in the world.
            76: -mm caliber. Attracted to C-RAM, that is, it is able to shoot down not only aircraft, but also artillery shells, mortar mines and RS
            1. Elturisto
              Elturisto 13 October 2020 13: 06 New
              -1
              This Italian shit has been sawing since the 70s, at first it was on a tank chassis.
              What is the BC of 30 shells? Even anti-ship missiles cannot intercept such installations, what can we say about shells or ATGM.
              By the way, the Rostekhovsky KBP is also fooling around with 57-mm - this shit is called derivation, they learned from the idiots of pasta ...
  12. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 12 October 2020 19: 49 New
    +3
    It is possible to install "KAZ for SAM" instead of 30-mm assault rifles in the version of the missile-cannon "Pantsir"! (I wanted to place such a KAZ from "free patents", but, unfortunately, I increasingly notice that it is difficult to find information that I easily found a couple of years ago!) ...
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  14. denis obuckov
    denis obuckov 12 October 2020 20: 01 New
    0
    Hmmm, listen to this farce, it becomes clear that the effectiveness of the Shell depends on who is inside ..
    1. lucul
      lucul 12 October 2020 20: 46 New
      -1
      Hmmm, listen to this farce, it becomes clear that the effectiveness of the Shell depends on who is inside ..

      It has always been like this ... - the best advertisement is the invincibility of the Khmeimim base ...
    2. Megatron
      Megatron 12 October 2020 22: 27 New
      +1
      So it is with any technique. The padding is important everywhere, between the seat and the steering wheel.
  15. Kerensky
    Kerensky 12 October 2020 20: 21 New
    0
    Are you just used to carts?
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 12 October 2020 20: 55 New
      +1
      Quote: Kerensky
      Are you just used to carts?

      They just got used to saving. Motoreskrs- it is like oil, exhaustible.
      And then they paid a civilian contractor ...
  16. Adimius38
    Adimius38 12 October 2020 20: 54 New
    +1
    but it's not based on KAMAZ))
  17. mlad
    mlad 12 October 2020 21: 08 New
    +2
    shells don't need such guns, the dispersion of shells is terrible, you can only hit it by chance, the American volcano hits in one line
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 12 October 2020 21: 38 New
      +6
      Quote: mlad
      shells don't need such guns, the dispersion of shells is terrible, you can only hit it by chance, the American volcano hits in one line

      Very controversial.
      Any shooting at any target is shooting at random

      And often it is dispersion, on the contrary, that increases the likelihood of hitting the target.
      1. Saxahorse
        Saxahorse 12 October 2020 23: 51 New
        0
        Quote: Spade
        And often it is dispersion, on the contrary, that increases the likelihood of hitting the target.

        This is probably written as a consolation. I came across a tablet with the dispersion of just Vulcan. There, at 1000 meters, the probability of hitting a target of 1 sq.m. less than 1%. Those. out of a hundred shells, one can hit. But this is with ideal guidance, with only one dispersion .. And if you add guidance errors on a moving target, then everything is really bad there.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 13 October 2020 10: 01 New
          +1
          Quote: Saxahorse
          This is probably written as a consolation.

          No, this is a concrete fact.

          Backfill question: why is it recommended to use a magazine hold when shooting at aerial targets from a machine gun?
    2. Bad_gr
      Bad_gr 12 October 2020 23: 30 New
      +3
      Quote: mlad
      the dispersal of shells is terrible, you can only get there by chance,

      There was a video on this topic. It was said that anti-aircraft missiles should fly with a spread (like a swarm of bees) - there are more chances to cover the target.
    3. chingachguc
      chingachguc 13 October 2020 00: 46 New
      +2
      the dispersal on anti-aircraft guns is specially made to hit a large spot at once
      1. Pankrat25
        Pankrat25 13 October 2020 07: 32 New
        -2
        This is suitable for a large target, the probability of hitting a small target is zero!
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 13 October 2020 10: 02 New
          +3
          Quote: Pankrat25
          This is suitable for a large target, the probability of hitting a small target is zero!

          laughing
          Exactly the opposite.
          1. Saxahorse
            Saxahorse 13 October 2020 22: 39 New
            0
            Quote: Spade
            Exactly the opposite.

            Why didn't the four of you get into the video? Not enough shells scattered? laughing
  18. lvov_aleksey
    lvov_aleksey 12 October 2020 23: 24 New
    +2
    extra advertising for us! Not every air defense system can work like that !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  19. lvov_aleksey
    lvov_aleksey 12 October 2020 23: 31 New
    +1
    Quote: Spade
    Quote: mlad
    shells don't need such guns, the dispersion of shells is terrible, you can only hit it by chance, the American volcano hits in one line

    Very controversial.
    Any shooting at any target is shooting at random

    And often it is dispersion, on the contrary, that increases the likelihood of hitting the target.

    you're about hitting, and I'm about a maneuver. Can you hold out on a pedestal and shoot for a long time ?! And if there is still movement (I have always believed that the team is above all) !!!!!!!!!!!!
  20. garik77
    garik77 12 October 2020 23: 57 New
    +1
    Russian weapons are excellent, but you need to know how to use them, without this there will be little sense.
  21. chingachguc
    chingachguc 13 October 2020 00: 31 New
    0
    The main problem of "Pantsir", and this has been said many times, is the lack of a main engine. You can shoot down Grad shells and helicopters. Targets maneuvering at speed - no .. well, I’m also waiting for the Arabs to start using their batteries, not proud gladiators.
  22. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 13 October 2020 03: 00 New
    +1
    CG is high and stability is questionable.
    1. Object.F7
      Object.F7 13 October 2020 04: 23 New
      +1
      Yes, indeed, every sailor is worried about how this tractor will walk on the seas and oceans with such STABILITY ... Do not forget to have a snack
  23. Grievous
    Grievous 13 October 2020 06: 09 New
    +2
    The shell on the MAN chassis looks cool.
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  25. Pankrat25
    Pankrat25 13 October 2020 07: 29 New
    0
    In my opinion, everything is extremely simple! The cost of the air defense missile system, as well as spare parts for it, is orders of magnitude higher than the cost of the tractor on which it is located. I would not be surprised if the tractor also has a mobile power station to power the air defense missile system. It's just that they minimize the development of a resource in this way, so that they rarely need to ask for spare parts.
    1. Elturisto
      Elturisto 13 October 2020 12: 11 New
      0
      And in case of sanctions, this whole shed will remain without electricity and maneuver ...
  26. alex51217
    alex51217 13 October 2020 07: 38 New
    +3
    With this arrangement, the range of detection and destruction of low-flying targets increases!