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Chinese reporter: S-400 air defense system will become a practical tool for Iran to shoot down American planes

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Xu Lumin, a reporter for the Chinese media network Global Network Report, raises the question of the possible lifting of the embargo against Iran. If no new prohibitive measures against Tehran are adopted by the United Nations, then in the coming weeks the embargo on the supply of arms and military equipment, as well as dual-use equipment to Iran, may remain in the past.


The Chinese observer is considering a situation in which Iran may order from Russia the S-400 Triumph anti-aircraft missile systems.

China and Turkey have already become the owners of such air defense systems, India is awaiting the execution of the contract. A number of other countries are ready to purchase the S-400 from the Russian Federation. Earlier, the Islamic Republic of Iran was also named among the possible candidates.

From Xu Lumin's article:

The Russian S-400 air defense system will become a practical tool for Iran to shoot down American planes. Can the S-400 Triumph shoot down an F-22, F-35 or B-2 Spirit if necessary? The likelihood that Iran will be able to shoot them down with the help of these Russian air defense systems will increase significantly if the S-400 appear in service with Tehran.

The author, referring to the material in the American magazine The National Interest, notes that previously Iran had virtually no opportunity to threaten American fighters and stealth bombers. Now, when Tehran has the S-300 air defense system, and the S-400 air defense system may appear, then the threat to American stealth aircraft is quite serious. And not only for the American, because the F-35 is also in other geopolitical opponents of Iran, including Israel.

The author notes that in the event of a threat from enemy aircraft, the Iranian side can use the latest air defense systems, if they are at its disposal.
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  1. Pereira
    Pereira 12 October 2020 15: 27
    17
    Iran should hurry up and sign the package of documents immediately after the expiration of the embargo. Better on the same day. So far the Americans haven’t pushed the new.
    1. kot423
      kot423 12 October 2020 15: 41
      11
      Quote: Pereira
      So far, the Americans have not pushed through the new.

      They will freeze to push through, because in 18g they left the JCPOA (multilateral agreement on Tehran's nuclear program, concluded in July 2015). They now have no word about the embargo.
      1. Pereira
        Pereira 12 October 2020 15: 46
        +4
        This does not mean that they will not try.
        1. kot423
          kot423 12 October 2020 15: 51
          16
          Nebenzya about the embargo of mattresses in May "kulutorno" sent to the UN, infa is in the internet. And what they will try - of course, Trump is already yelling about sanctions if someone sells something to Iran military (dual-use). Is only Russia afraid of them if we have already received sanctions under fakes more than once? And so - to press the mattresses to the nail in one more direction is a good thing.
        2. Kasym
          Kasym 12 October 2020 16: 26
          +3
          I do not quite understand. SAM is a defensive type of weapon. So why does Tehran have to wait for the embargo to be lifted (it seems there is only offensive weapons)? Iran can, in my opinion, even now sign a contract for the purchase of S-400 and other SAMs - S-300 were delivered in 2016, and the next. year already stood on alert. hi
          1. nnm
            nnm 12 October 2020 17: 35
            +8
            Colleague, well, you asked !!! Resistance to democratic bombing, in the understanding of the United States, is even worse than declaring war on them!
          2. Cyril G ...
            Cyril G ... 12 October 2020 20: 42
            0
            Quote: Kasym
            Why does Tehran need to wait for the embargo to be lifted (it seems there is only offensive weapons)?


            It was about the planes in the contract
    2. Terenin
      Terenin 12 October 2020 16: 03
      +9
      The S-400 will become a practical tool for Iran to shoot down American planes.
      Question. Before acquiring the S-400, Iran, how did it try to shoot down American aircraft with other types of air defense systems? what
      1. Ali
        Ali 12 October 2020 16: 30
        +3
        Quote: Terenin
        Question. Before acquiring the S-400, Iran, how did it try to shoot down American aircraft with other types of air defense systems?

        Iran could shoot down American aircraft with other types of air defense systems. But the probability of hitting targets in the S-400 air defense system is much higher! 1 aerodynamic target - 1 anti-aircraft missile! The minus writers are not asleep, because they cannot otherwise - appeal with their knowledge (Wikipedia)!
        1. Pilat2009
          Pilat2009 12 October 2020 17: 25
          +2
          Quote: Ali
          1 aerodynamic target - 1 anti-aircraft missile!

          No missile can hit a target 100%. Usually a probability of 0.9-0.95 is declared. It is recommended to shoot two missiles.
          1. Ali
            Ali 12 October 2020 17: 33
            0
            Quote: Pilat2009
            No missile can hit a target 100%. Usually a probability of 0.9-0.95 is declared. It is recommended to shoot two missiles.

            Pilat2009 (Mikhail), I did not write about 100%, but only for P = 0,9999, and for this, missiles are used with a probability of defeat P = 0,95, the probability of a miss is negligible, although for 3 missiles, but this is 1 target - 1 anti-aircraft missile.
            1. Pilat2009
              Pilat2009 12 October 2020 18: 50
              +2
              Quote: Ali
              but this is 1 target - 1 anti-aircraft missile.

              In general, purely mathematically, if 2 missiles are fired, then this is not one)))
        2. Terenin
          Terenin 12 October 2020 20: 43
          +3
          Quote: Ali
          But the probability of hitting targets in the S-400 air defense system is much higher!

          Thanks Ali. Good luck!
        3. Romario_Argo
          Romario_Argo 13 October 2020 10: 49
          0
          the probability of hitting targets in the S-400 air defense system is much higher! 1 aerodynamic target - 1 anti-aircraft missile!

          I agree. and the channel capacity of the S-400 = 72 CU, provided that the SAM with AGSN, in general
          automatic air defense is obtained
          limited only by the number of missiles on the launcher.
          For division 10 PU, you can make a BC for each PU based on:
          for the place of 2 TPK 8 - 9M96 (120 km) and 2 - 48N6 (200 km) = 10 missiles
          only 100 per division
          and Iran will buy at least 5 divisions = 100 missiles against bombers, 400 missiles against cruise missiles
          also ZRPK Shell in the near zone x 2 per division = 10 x12 missiles = 120 missiles (20 km)
          all this to 5 divisions of the already delivered S-300PMU-2
      2. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 12 October 2020 20: 52
        +2
        So an American large drone was shot down by the Bovar-373 complex (A kind of hybrid)
    3. RealPilot
      RealPilot 12 October 2020 16: 10
      +5
      It's a good news!
      American-made aircraft are gradually, if not squeezed out of the region, then they feel less and less confident in it.

      I have no doubt that the F-15/16/22/35 (in the configuration for the USA, at least!) Has the ability to get away from Patriot missiles and other American air defense systems by turning on the "friend or foe" system for any export modification. Or at least with the built-in means of electronic warfare, according to known parameters, to shoot down the capture of the seeker.
      Why then does Erdogan need the S-400? There is evidence that it is precisely for plugging such holes! Shoot down NATO "partners" if necessary. Turkey itself is not our ally at all.

      But with Iran, we can build, under certain circumstances, elements of a joint layered air defense! Plus, those air defense systems of different versions that are in Syria will help with this.
      Therefore, it is in our financial and defense interests to conduct such a deal. hi
    4. paul3390
      paul3390 12 October 2020 17: 36
      0
      Better yet, agree to send the fighters to study right now, without waiting for the contract and supplies.
    5. antivirus
      antivirus 12 October 2020 17: 43
      -1
      The funniest thing is if you supply "additional" missiles, upgraded in accuracy-range "ground-to-ground" (in additional to air defense of different ranges). partners in missile defense in Poland and the Romanians can put offensive.

      we do not recognize and no one is against buying (only partners squeal)
  2. Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 12 October 2020 15: 30
    +4
    A number of other countries are ready to purchase the S-400 from the Russian Federation.
    Here's the turn ...
    1. bessmertniy
      bessmertniy 12 October 2020 16: 21
      +1
      There is no good product without a queue. hi
  3. Roman070280
    Roman070280 12 October 2020 15: 31
    -1
    Chance additionally, Iran can shoot them down with these Russian air defense systems, essentially will increase if the S-400 appear in service with Tehran.)

    L - logic ..))
  4. Observer2014
    Observer2014 12 October 2020 15: 35
    +2
    Chinese reporter: S-400 air defense system will become a practical tool for Iran to shoot down American planes
    Although I am not a Chinese reporter. But I think so too. To tell the truth, the Americans will just throw everything and rush to storm the area where the S-400 is on duty.
    you need to be able to defend it against airplanes. From all sorts of petty flying stuff.
  5. certero
    certero 12 October 2020 15: 43
    +5
    Although I am not bloodthirsty, it would be nice if the s-400 would knock down some American flying vulture. An excellent advertisement would be.
    1. Pereira
      Pereira 12 October 2020 15: 47
      -1
      The Armenians are not good at something.
      1. Dodikson
        Dodikson 12 October 2020 16: 37
        +4
        Do Armenians have S-400?
        there and the S-300 are still Soviet. who are 40 years old.
        and they are not in Karabakh either.
        1. Pereira
          Pereira 12 October 2020 16: 38
          -1
          Nevertheless, they are already being bombed.
          1. Dodikson
            Dodikson 12 October 2020 16: 46
            -1
            maybe they are bombing a mock-up there, because Karabakh did not have them, and if they did appear, then these are already supplies from Armenia, and this is already fraught with Armenia's entry into the war.
      2. faiver
        faiver 12 October 2020 17: 58
        0
        What do they do well in military affairs?
  6. Airdefense
    Airdefense 12 October 2020 15: 43
    0
    UAVs need to learn to shoot down, otherwise Israel and the S-400 will be destroyed.
    1. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 12 October 2020 17: 49
      +1
      This is how the Turks learn.
      The Turkish military, during the tests of the Russian S-400 Triumph air defense systems, were able to hit all 100% of aerodynamic targets, ranging from unmanned aerial vehicles, and ending with cruise missiles, which completely satisfied Ankara with these weapons. The tests were carried out on the southern coast of the Black Sea, while all the main modes of operation of the Russian complexes were tested.


      “Even during these exercises [with the use of the S-400 - approx. ed.] of the Turkish air defense forces on the Black Sea coast, using the S-400 systems, we only hit targets that are cruise missiles and unmanned aerial vehicles, and did not simulate attacks against fighters of NATO member countries. "Turkey's statement was made with the goal of refute the assertions of Republican Senators Chris Van Hollen and James Lankford about the so-called evidence that Ankara used the S-400 for tests to capture the F-16 in order to convince the US State Department to impose sanctions on this NATO member state, "- about this reports the DatViet newspaper, citing Turkish military and diplomatic sources.

      https://avia.pro/news/tureckie-zrk-s-400-perehvatili-nad-chyornym-morem-krylatye-rakety-i-bespilotniki
  7. Pechkin
    Pechkin 12 October 2020 15: 47
    +2
    Until they buy hypothetical, when they buy theoretical, when they get knocked down with practical)
  8. Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 12 October 2020 15: 47
    +4
    That is why Iran is sitting quite "quietly", waiting in the wings to immediately implement part of its defense programs.
  9. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 12 October 2020 15: 50
    +5
    These air defense systems are no longer a military, but rather even a POLITICAL factor. Areas where striped vultures can fly and threaten to "skid" democracy will shrink.
    1. Airdefense
      Airdefense 12 October 2020 15: 55
      0
      Air defense systems are the last to influence the decision to bring a little democracy to any country. Moreover, the US has more resources to suppress Iran's air defense, even taking into account the supply of S-400.
      1. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 12 October 2020 15: 59
        +3
        Quote: Airdefense
        Air defense systems are the last to influence the decision to bring a little democracy to any country. Moreover, the US has more resources to suppress Iran's air defense, even taking into account the supply of S-400.

        Well, how can I say ... And then what are the vultures so hysterical? Are they pretending?
        1. Airdefense
          Airdefense 12 October 2020 16: 10
          -2
          Well, what would not be hysterical about them? Well, disrupting supplies is unnecessary tension in relations between Russia and Iran.
      2. ZEMCH
        ZEMCH 12 October 2020 17: 48
        +2
        Quote: Airdefense
        Air defense systems are the last to influence the decision to bring a little democracy to any country. Moreover, the US has more resources to suppress Iran's air defense, even taking into account the supply of S-400.

        First of all, the incomparable losses of those who bring democracy affect))
  10. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 12 October 2020 16: 15
    -1
    The Russian Federation will be pressed personally by two countries - Israel and the United States. This is pretty serious. They will also put pressure on China. They have more leverage on China. There will also be European manufacturers of weapons and aircraft. But there it is easier for the United States to be everywhere, either shareholders or supplying something.
  11. Pshelts
    Pshelts 12 October 2020 16: 29
    +2
    The S-400 air defense system will become a practical tool for Iran to shoot down American planes

    And not only American, it's not in vain that such a howl is worth and sanctions imposed on Iran
  12. V1er
    V1er 12 October 2020 16: 31
    0
    What prevents the sending of camouflaged cargoes to Iran across the Caspian? Then pass off the s-400 for some kind of RC Bavar-373? Our specialists can disguise the s-400 as it. Or under another complex issued under the logo of the Iranian military-industrial complex.
  13. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 12 October 2020 16: 37
    +2
    The main thing is that the Americans shouldn't have guessed to set on the S-400 a pack of small, but malicious kamikadz drones, like the Karabakh Harop. They buzz disgustingly.
    1. alien308
      alien308 12 October 2020 16: 47
      +2
      S-400 without tori - money down the drain.
    2. Ali
      Ali 12 October 2020 16: 57
      -1
      Quote: voyaka uh
      The main thing is that the Americans shouldn't have guessed to set on the S-400 a pack of small, but malicious kamikadz drones, like the Karabakh Harop. They buzz disgustingly.

      voyaka uh (Alexey). Given the maximum flight altitude Н = 3000 m UAV Nagor, he has absolutely no chance in confrontation with the Russian air defense systems: "Pantsir-C2", "Pantsir-SM", "Tor-M2" and others, which form a multi-echeloned defense with the S-400 air defense system!
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 12 October 2020 17: 04
        +2
        What if Harop flies low-low? belay
        1. Ali
          Ali 12 October 2020 17: 13
          +1
          Quote: voyaka uh
          What if Harop flies low-low?

          voyaka uh. The minimum height of destruction of targets, complexes of the "Pantsir" type is
          H = 0 meters, P - the probability of defeat increased after the upgrade. In your favorite Wikipedia, there is data besides the probability of defeat! wassat
          Alexey, when flying low-low and when the UAV Nagor appears from over the horizon, he has practically no chances, in view of the short reaction time of the "Pantsir" -type complexes - 4-6 seconds ...
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 12 October 2020 17: 35
            +1
            Without a full-fledged air defense system and radar surveillance and AWACS .... they will throw it down. Trite KR Tomogvvk .....
            The S-400 will help from the parade raids of Israel and the United States ... because. their attack aircraft are not based in neighboring countries and must fly at altitude. But the problem must be solved in a complex .... Radar-AWACS-Air defense fighters and MRBM (which are). And the determination to use, otherwise attack aircraft will fly along the borders ... either they launch missiles, they will not. And if you hit it, it's a scandal.
  14. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
    Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 12 October 2020 16: 43
    0
    Ehm ... S-400 is like a Madonna service - they never drank tea from it, but they should stand in a conspicuous place in the sideboard. Prestigious, expensive, rich. To the neighbors, again, show. I see commentators are very concerned about the purity of the Persian sky ...))
    1. askort154
      askort154 12 October 2020 17: 04
      +3
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y .. I see commentators are very concerned about the purity of the Persian sky ...))

      And how does the "Persian sky" differ from the "Israeli sky"? stop
      1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 12 October 2020 17: 07
        -2
        I have no idea. I don't care what the other is. And you?
        1. askort154
          askort154 12 October 2020 17: 25
          +1
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. I see commentators are very concerned about the purity of the Persian sky ...))

          Why then concretize ?! stop
          In your case - "Persian sky"! Be responsible for your words!
          Ordinary people who have endured the hardships of the war, regardless of the political system, dream of one thing - "clear sky over their heads." Naturally, this is not a meteorological understanding. yes hi
          1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 12 October 2020 18: 06
            -1
            Quote: askort154
            Why then concretize ?!

            Yes, because, damn it, it is in the comments about the hypothetical purchase of the air defense system by the Persians. It is logical that these complexes will guard persian heaven, no?
            Answered the question?
  15. Imperial Technocrat
    Imperial Technocrat 12 October 2020 17: 34
    -1
    It's good. Also, Iran needs to finish off its nuclear heads as quickly as possible, and put them on its 2000 missiles aimed at Israel.
  16. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 12 October 2020 17: 45
    -4
    Why is everyone so dispersed? It seems that you are at least in the share of the sale. So, "sha, nobody else is going anywhere" (c). I mean, it doesn’t sell, because the buyer’s finances sing romances:

    The Iranian currency on the black market fell to a record level of 316500 riyals per dollar. The sharp drop began three days ago - after the US Treasury Department imposed new sanctions on Iran's financial sector.

    The fixed official exchange rate, which no one follows, is 42000 riyals to the dollar. Unofficially, on October 9, 295940 rials were given per dollar, and on October 10 - 304300 rials. And since the beginning of 2020, the Iranian currency has lost 57% of its value.
    They just, now, do such purchases.
    No, well, if you want to give something dear again to the next brothers, then you can, of course. Only sense from this exactly zero. No benefits - neither economic nor political.
    By the way, if someone wanted to confuse Iran with something, they would have done it long ago, without waiting for the purchase of the C400. Well, if you need to bang something there, the "Triumph" will not help. Only the image will spoil it. The rocketeers there, you know, level XNUMX curvature. hi
  17. rocket757
    rocket757 12 October 2020 18: 33
    0
    No super-duper complex, weapons, not a panacea and not a guarantee of victory, safety, if everything else necessary is not up to the mark!
  18. lvov_aleksey
    lvov_aleksey 12 October 2020 23: 13
    0
    Why does Iran need S-400? if you give a guidance and control system, then the S-300 will steer everything, i.e. Iran will receive several points of new radio stations and then everyone will have a rest!
    ps if someone does not understand, the task is not to destroy, but to determine the earlier goal!
    If you see an enemy who is attacking you, you will already be deeply ... in case of nuclear war, or crush in the Mediterranean, Red Seas
  19. Old26
    Old26 13 October 2020 00: 58
    +3
    Quote: certero
    Although I am not bloodthirsty, it would be nice if the s-400 would knock down some American flying vulture. An excellent advertisement would be.

    It all depends on how much they buy. if like the S-300 in the amount of the regimental kit, then this complex is a dead poultice. They "torn apart" the S-300s by the divisional division, and the same station in Bushehr is covered by only one division. The second is Tehran, the third is nuclear production. And to suppress a division is much easier than a regiment, more precisely the same 2-5 divisions in one place

    Quote: V1er
    What prevents the sending of camouflaged cargoes to Iran across the Caspian? Then pass off the s-400 for some kind of RC Bavar-373? Our specialists can disguise the s-400 as it. Or under another complex issued under the logo of the Iranian military-industrial complex.

    Can you pass off, for example, Lada Priora for a Mercedes? So it is here. Passing off the S-400 for "Brovar-373" - so then the enemy must be blind. The launcher on a three-axle truck and the launcher S-400 differ so much that even a child can tell that they are different machines.
    1. Bongo
      Bongo 13 October 2020 11: 06
      0
      Quote: Old26
      Can you pass off, for example, Lada Priora for a Mercedes? So it is here. Passing off the S-400 for "Brovar-373" - so then the enemy must be blind. The launcher on a three-axle truck and the launcher S-400 differ so much that even a child can tell that they are different machines.

      Vladimir, welcome!
      It's not even about the launchers and tractors. No. Electronic reconnaissance stations make it possible to accurately distinguish between different anti-aircraft systems.
  20. strelokmira
    strelokmira 13 October 2020 02: 41
    -1
    And what ours are going to sell s-400 to Iran, it seems only NATO and Turkey were pushed. And Iran has sanctions that we fully support.